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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on Makeup is my therapy

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Speaker 2: in love. I'm obsessed and I don't even feel.

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Speaker 1: Guilty about it.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, and welcome to you Beauty, the Daily Podcast

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Speaker 2: for your Faith. I'm Lee Campbell.

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Speaker 3: I'm Kelly mccarrant, and we were literally just talking about

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Speaker 3: time of air, which makes it sound very boring.

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Speaker 2: Well because it's mid to late May, and I can't

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Speaker 2: deal saying that. I read an article, which means I

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Speaker 2: saw it on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I saw a city on TikTok. I read this very

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Speaker 1: interesting article. I don't even look at TikTok.

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Speaker 2: The time goes fast as you get older, like it's

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Speaker 2: a real science thing, because of the proportional something that you.

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Speaker 3: Were born, the years that I have you lived or something,

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Speaker 3: yes I are now or five?

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Speaker 2: You feel like summer holidays went anyway?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, but now half a year is almost part.

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Speaker 1: It's actually terrible. Did you say who you were?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm Kelly okay, And it's Q and

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Speaker 2: a day, which means every mind day, we answer two

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Speaker 2: of your questions, and we finish off the episode with

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Speaker 2: a host tank shopping.

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Speaker 3: List, something a reminder, something not to do. You never

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Speaker 3: know what you're gonna get.

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Speaker 2: You never know, So if you want to ask a question, look,

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Speaker 2: you can email us it's you Beauty at Mama mea

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Speaker 2: dot com dot are you or just slide into the

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Speaker 2: you beauty Instagram dms because someone checks them and tells

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Speaker 2: us about them exactly.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't help, but wonder ask me anything?

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Speaker 2: You ask many questions.

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Speaker 3: Later on the episode, we have got a question from

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Speaker 3: a month She's asking on behalf of her teenage daughter

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Speaker 3: for advice, which is just so lovely. But first we

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Speaker 3: have an email from Claire Hileen Kelly love the show.

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Speaker 3: You sometimes say that you bought a product when at

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Speaker 3: the chemistal shopping. Do you get sent many products from companies?

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Speaker 3: If you do, why do you buy extra products? What

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Speaker 3: you bought with your own money lately?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much? Claire?

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Speaker 2: Are you my husband? Because he keeps saying why are

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Speaker 2: you buying more beauty products? Look, Kelly and I probably

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Speaker 2: have similar answers, but I'll go first, So, yeah, what

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Speaker 2: happens is if you're in beauty media, you know whether

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Speaker 2: more traditional media, you will be on PR list public

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Speaker 2: relations list, and then they'll send an email saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: this lip gloss is launching, do you want to try it?

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Speaker 2: Or sometimes they just send it. But not every brand

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Speaker 2: And also not every brand has a public relations business

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Speaker 2: I also just bloody love beauty products. So while we're

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Speaker 2: sent a huge amount of products, and it's not just

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Speaker 2: for other purposes aside from the podcast. We get a lot,

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Speaker 2: but it's still only a tiny snippet of the industry.

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Speaker 2: For example, if you're new here, I'm obsessed with Revolution Beauty,

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I do a lot of J beauty

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Speaker 2: And then of course I just buy the stuff. I'll

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Speaker 3: I actually think that I probably don't get as much

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Speaker 3: And also a PR company isn't going to send us

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Speaker 2: That's why Kelly and I you can hear it's going

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Speaker 2: COO and Kmart and the pharmacies. But no, we definitely

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Speaker 2: don't get sent everything. We do get sent a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I also often get asked what do we do

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Speaker 2: conditioner and the kind of essentials to women's shelters and

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Speaker 2: beauty sale here and the money raised goes to Rise Up,

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Speaker 2: which we're very proud ambassadors for and they help women

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Speaker 1: I do the women's shelters a couple of times a year.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the year, I always do hates

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you never just throw out products at all, God,

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Speaker 3: I'd just like to say I really wish my mother

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Speaker 3: her body hair. She has lovely fair skin and in contrast,

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Speaker 2: Oh, bless her, Ruth, that's so nice. I wonder when

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Speaker 2: you say eighteen, I wonder if she's like thirteen or seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I guess it doesn't really matter, but I remember saying

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Speaker 2: I went to her mom. I said, Mum, my skin's

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Speaker 2: I do put gradual tann On. I've got fair skin

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Speaker 2: and really dark hair. I shave my arms with a

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Speaker 2: not grow back darker and longer. That's impossible.

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Speaker 3: But also your arms, I've never felt them be spiky

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Speaker 2: No, No, they're definitely not because it's a different type

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Speaker 2: of hair. But also I literally I goes it takes

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Speaker 2: But you know, with shaving or anything that removes the

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Speaker 3: Well that's what I was going to say, because I

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Speaker 3: What I would say though, is after interoing Sarah Hudson

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you that wane one of those cheap months. Because

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Speaker 3: But because there can be burning or issues. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: I have a scar on my arm from when I

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Speaker 2: Yes, and lastly, just maybe it could be worth just

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Speaker 1: For me, I was just a bushy bandit still you go.

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Speaker 2: But you're a beautiful mum Ruth that I know, lovely,

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Speaker 1: Okay, after the break, we've got host hacks.

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Speaker 2: And all Kelly has got is caramel slice, so I

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what this is?

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Speaker 3: What a you ma cup packs?

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Speaker 2: All right, Kelly, caramel slice? This is your beauty. You

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Speaker 3: No, we are turning it into a baker's beauty bite.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we're not really a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: The cal slice saka.

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Speaker 3: Didn't I had never rod Nick was just like, how

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Speaker 2: I have her books, I've never opened them, but they

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Speaker 3: Called it the bake Fluence of Drama, where one of

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Speaker 3: and why you should take this example and then you

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Speaker 3: they do like all science stuff. So as they explained,

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Speaker 1: Because I looked at that and went, how can you like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: you really looked into it. How can you copy like

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. That's the argument.

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Speaker 3: But if you could apply that to skin care, the

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to.

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Speaker 3: Buy this, and hey, guys, I've just found the perfect

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Speaker 3: So if a recipe says one cup of chocolate, and

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Speaker 3: could use home brand cooking chocolate. You could use Cabri

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would sharp the exact.

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Speaker 3: Same way in the ingredient list, but the end product

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Speaker 2: Great. Same for the quality of the ingredient.

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Speaker 1: Quality. Same.

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Speaker 3: Also just the way that things are, like the formula

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Speaker 2: But like, also, if I follow a recipe, it's not

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Speaker 2: Not saying that a dupe isn't made in a professional

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Speaker 1: Some troops are amazing, don't get us a green.

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Speaker 2: But just because there's a recipe doesn't mean it always

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Speaker 3: So I just thought that was such an interesting way

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is a really good way to look at it.

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Speaker 1: I like that a lot.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm chocolate caramel slides.

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Speaker 3: Oh so yeah, I've been on a big caramel sized train.

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Speaker 3: Do you have a bake baking hat? No, Man is

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Speaker 2: I used to back in the day when I had

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Speaker 2: I actually did say I always use a tiny bit

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, that was very twenty sixteen. Oh sokho.

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Speaker 2: But now because my eyelids are starting to droop and

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Speaker 2: you know how. For example, you and I both in

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Speaker 2: love with the Becker under eye illuminated it. The Peach

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Speaker 2: corrector is a tiny bit of under eye illuminator or corrector,

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Speaker 2: I've had four hours sleep in six years, thank you.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I like it because it kind of the

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Speaker 2: I love fatly.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it.

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Speaker 2: Please try that, Kelly mccarrott. And if you don't, you

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Speaker 2: can set it. But if you don't, it just gives

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Speaker 2: Sorry that wastcakes, But yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 3: And don't forget that some of our episodes are actually

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Speaker 2: I know it's a whole different game.

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Speaker 3: Look now we make her once upon a time, we

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Speaker 3: You Beauty was produced by Molly Harwood, with audio production

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Speaker 3: by Tigan Sadler.

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Speaker 1: Bye Bye,