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Speaker 1: You're listening to Amma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: From MoMA Mia. Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop

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Speaker 2: culture fix.

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Speaker 3: I'm Laura Brednick and I'm Cassene Lukic, and coming up

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Speaker 3: on the show today, we're going to go through all

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Speaker 3: the new allegations from the new Shawncomb's documentary, plus this

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Speaker 3: escalating feud he has with another high profile musician. We're

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Speaker 3: getting into that because you probably seen it all of

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Speaker 3: your social feeds. Plus is this the end of Hollywood?

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Speaker 3: A lot of big filmmaking heavyweights think it is thanks

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Speaker 3: to a new deal, and it's going to affect us

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Speaker 3: here in Australia. So we're going to get into that,

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Speaker 3: explain in very simple terms so we can all understand.

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Speaker 3: But first an issue has come to my attention.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you and I are both massive Jonahs Brothers fans.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, we're not even a little.

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Speaker 3: Bit nothing nothing against those sweet sweet boys. Maybe the

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Speaker 3: middle Ones sometimes nothing and so sweet boys. But I'm

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Speaker 3: not a Jones Brothers fan of you.

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Speaker 1: Look I'm not. I'm not.

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Speaker 2: But wait to set the podcast with this is a

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Speaker 2: massive line.

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Speaker 1: So the reason I say this is because there is

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Speaker 1: a recurring theme in our team about the Jonas brothers,

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Speaker 1: and it comes from our wonderful, wonderful producer, Manisha. Now, Manisha,

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Speaker 1: can you tell us the latest Jonas Brothers news that

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Speaker 1: has the internet talking, because this has been filling up

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Speaker 1: our channels.

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Speaker 4: Well, to be honest, it was really Laura who brought

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Speaker 4: this news to my attent.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's going on.

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Speaker 3: So the Jonas Brothers really are taking over the news

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Speaker 3: cycle at the moment. So recently they released their movie,

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Speaker 3: which I have to say was a little bit critically acclaimed,

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Speaker 3: a very Jonas Christmas movie.

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Speaker 2: So that came out.

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Speaker 3: Plus we have now had the first trailer for their

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Speaker 3: new Camp Rock three movie.

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Speaker 1: Music Friendship Memories. We're back exactly where we're supposed to be.

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Speaker 1: Still no birthhouse.

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Speaker 3: What fans have noticed is that they're out there doing

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Speaker 3: the work. They're releasing movies, they're releasing merch, they're touring

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Speaker 3: every night, they bringing out celebs, they're revisiting all these

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Speaker 3: old iconic roles which they always kind of alluded to

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Speaker 3: the fact that they would never go back to. So

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Speaker 3: it has raised a question of concern for the Jonahs brothers,

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Speaker 3: and that is.

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Speaker 2: Are they poor? Yeah, Are they destitute? That is the question.

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Speaker 3: Like everyone was sharing the Camp Rock three trailer yesterday

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Speaker 3: and saying like, are these men, well, are they in

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Speaker 3: trouble donating help? Which is why they're going through their

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Speaker 3: back catalog and churning out all these things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think were you know, introducing the number

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Speaker 1: one fan of Jonah's brothers to defend them. I suppose.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, I don't think that they're broke.

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Speaker 4: I think they are passionate about returning to the Camp

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Speaker 4: Rock franch really. I mean, okay, well, Camp Rock two

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Speaker 4: came out in twenty ten, and obviously now it's twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. By the time this film comes out presumably

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Speaker 4: US summer twenty twenty six, I mean, it's been.

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Speaker 5: A long time. I know along the way they have

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Speaker 4: Want to return to that world. I, however, think that

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Speaker 4: you change with age. They have kids now, they probably

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Speaker 4: feel a little bit differently towards that genre of movies.

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Speaker 4: I also looked up what I could find about what

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Speaker 4: the Internet believes their financial situation to be. I don't

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Speaker 4: so you know.

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Speaker 2: Those like Celebrity Network, they're calmed.

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Speaker 3: No, those are never real, and we know they're will

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Speaker 3: because celebrities always say this is not correct. They're either

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Speaker 3: way higher or way lower than their actual income.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I was trying to piece together where this money

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Speaker 4: not saying, this is definitely true, is that Nick sits

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Speaker 4: about eighty million US dollars, Joe sits about fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 5: Five, and then Darling Dyling Kevin around forty. So when

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Speaker 1: Kevin, I actually like Kevin the most.

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Speaker 4: No, No, I'm a Joe girl. But they had obviously

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Speaker 4: their six year hiatus from the Jonas Brothers, and during

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Speaker 4: and did their solo projects. Joe was in Dnce another great.

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Speaker 1: Band by the Ocean right by the Caation, Yes, great song.

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Speaker 4: And Kevin went down the entrepreneurial pathway and he did

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Speaker 5: And he lost a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: So, oh no, I feel bad because I was joking

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Speaker 3: I think I did think they Oh no, Kevin and

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Speaker 3: I did. I just thought that maybe they saw an

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Speaker 3: I say I'm not completely hating on them, because I

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Speaker 3: do appreciate like, especially men because they do it more

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Speaker 3: who don't kind of turn their back on the scene

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Speaker 3: that made them famous, especially the thing that made them

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Speaker 3: then thinking it's silly or ridiculous and I'm looking at

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say absolutely.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, also, I want to say Joe has

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Speaker 2: Saw the allegations of the ming poor.

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Speaker 5: I mean, there, I saw your tweets me, so I got.

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Speaker 2: Hacked out of my twitters. That definitely wasn't me.

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Speaker 5: So what I X is like, are you just brothers

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Speaker 4: And Joe went, God forbid, Oh you guys won't understand

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Speaker 4: this soon Camp Rock Bear band.

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Speaker 5: It's called Connect three.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so John writes, God for bid connect three

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Speaker 4: go back to where Connect three connected, which is a

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Speaker 4: call back to a famous line in Camp Rock.

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Speaker 1: Connect three connected.

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Speaker 3: Joe Jonas is really in the weeds of the online

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Speaker 2: Have you never seen what else happened to him this week?

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Speaker 5: Have you seen this as a parallel parking?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, how can you defend this man when

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Speaker 3: you've seen that? So I for anyone who's not across Manishi,

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Speaker 3: You and I were having a chat in the office

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Speaker 3: not in a bad way. I'm sure they're great. I

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Speaker 3: burning up at the moment because it has been the

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Speaker 3: New York? And I've spent in seven minutes watching Joe

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Speaker 3: Jonas try to parallel shop. It is a video parallel parking.

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Speaker 3: If you don't get on the first try, you can't No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: He's getting more and more frustrated.

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Speaker 3: And so that video has gone everywhere of Joe Jonas

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Speaker 3: trying to parallel Park to the fact where Joe Jonas

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: I have a weird theory about this, because you know

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Speaker 4: how it's a well known fact that women love watching

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Speaker 4: I was like, maybe he just wanted to keep doing

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Speaker 1: Sorry, the difference is now and look, please don't come

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Speaker 1: for me. But there is no excuse these days because

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Speaker 1: the amount of senses and cameras. That's embarrassing. Joe.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I can't picture.

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Speaker 4: That could be a little bit hard, but anyway, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we digress. I mean the fact that Laura didn't know

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Speaker 5: It's like her one pop culture gap.

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Speaker 3: I know, like I just there's a lot going on,

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Speaker 3: if it's you know, because I think we're living now

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Speaker 2: What are the left there for a long time there while?

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Speaker 1: So what's the number three about them? So?

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Speaker 4: Number three is that they're going to return. We saw

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Speaker 4: the teaser. It's very much a teaser moreso than a trailer.

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Speaker 4: You see them come back. It's a very classic camp

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Speaker 5: So the premise is that.

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Speaker 4: They've had a bit of a setback on their reunion tour.

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Speaker 5: I feel like they've pulled a little potentially.

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Speaker 2: From real life.

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Speaker 1: This feels art imitating life.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Connects three has had a little bit of

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Speaker 4: stakes talent search this camp, and it's going to have

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Speaker 5: We're going to see these whole new cast members in there.

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Speaker 4: So it's not just them, They're going to bring a

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Speaker 1: But yeah, can I ask so Demi Levado is an

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Speaker 1: ap on this Camp Rock three. Yeah, However, she hasn't

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Speaker 4: She hasn't said she's going to be in it. It looks

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Speaker 4: like it will just be them. She's also not in

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Speaker 2: I think she'll make a Cami.

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Speaker 4: She'll surely make surely a little a little fan service

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Speaker 4: because I'm like, I assume they're not together in this

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Speaker 4: assume in the splashboard they aren't together.

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Speaker 5: Oh the means have to break.

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Speaker 2: Them up to bring the move the franchise back.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's like fifteen years on. Maybe they just

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but yeah, anyway, I guess whether or

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Speaker 4: not they're broke might hang on what they choose to

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Speaker 5: Like if we see them doing some.

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Speaker 4: Real crazy add up, I might be like, Okay, Strike three,

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Speaker 4: But I feel like it's going to hang on what

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Speaker 4: their next project is.

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Speaker 2: All right, and we'll stay tuned for Camp three and look.

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Speaker 3: Look Camp Rock three. Lash, Oh my god, Camp Rock three. Sorry,

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Speaker 3: my apologies, I'm again. I'm not trying to attack these men.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen Camp Rock one and Camp Rock two.

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Speaker 3: But if we get invited to the Camp Rock three premiere,

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Speaker 3: I will go with Humanisia. But I won't watch the

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Speaker 3: first two, so I'll have to pick it up from them.

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Speaker 1: But Laura, if you did have a summer camp movie

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Speaker 1: that you would say in your head of your childhood,

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Speaker 1: what would it be?

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Speaker 3: reduce the volume and diversity of content for viewers. Interestingly,

439
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Speaker 3: the person who's doing the negotiating is Mike Sherr, who

440
00:18:52,794 --> 00:18:54,554
Speaker 3: I think people would know from like Parks and Wreck

441
00:18:54,594 --> 00:18:56,314
Speaker 3: and The Good Place and all these kind of things.

442
00:18:56,634 --> 00:18:58,754
Speaker 3: And he put out a statement of his own about it,

443
00:18:58,794 --> 00:19:01,793
Speaker 3: who said all media mergers end up hurting writers, actors,

444
00:19:01,834 --> 00:19:05,434
Speaker 3: directors and everyone else who works in the industry. Fewer

445
00:19:05,474 --> 00:19:07,594
Speaker 3: companies means fewer jobs.

446
00:19:07,674 --> 00:19:10,714
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just like basic economics and basic

447
00:19:10,834 --> 00:19:13,634
Speaker 1: like monopoly, and this is the problem. And this is

448
00:19:13,634 --> 00:19:15,674
Speaker 1: what people were saying when we had the Disney Fox

449
00:19:15,714 --> 00:19:19,554
Speaker 1: My Dae, it was it's now just you're just monopolizing entertainment.

450
00:19:20,154 --> 00:19:24,234
Speaker 1: It's interesting though, because in film and cinema and television

451
00:19:24,274 --> 00:19:26,994
Speaker 1: we are now in more diverse than we've ever been before.

452
00:19:27,074 --> 00:19:30,074
Speaker 1: We are seeing more people's stories. But I think, what

453
00:19:30,194 --> 00:19:32,194
Speaker 1: does happen, and I think we're seeing this a lot

454
00:19:32,234 --> 00:19:36,074
Speaker 1: in the Australian entertainment industry, is we are not getting

455
00:19:36,114 --> 00:19:38,194
Speaker 1: the access to the talent. You know, people are not

456
00:19:38,314 --> 00:19:43,114
Speaker 1: having the same opportunity because you're being dwarfed by these massive,

457
00:19:43,194 --> 00:19:46,474
Speaker 1: massive companies who were taking over. And so what happens

458
00:19:46,514 --> 00:19:49,154
Speaker 1: then is that the creativity and incredible talent that we

459
00:19:49,194 --> 00:19:52,914
Speaker 1: have here in Australia film and television really takes a hit.

460
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

461
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Speaker 3: And it's so interesting looking at all these different people

462
00:19:56,354 --> 00:19:58,754
Speaker 3: who are speaking up, because a lot of big names

463
00:19:58,834 --> 00:20:00,914
Speaker 3: have spoken up. But also I'm kind of interested in

464
00:20:00,954 --> 00:20:03,714
Speaker 3: all these people who are not saying anything because they're

465
00:20:03,754 --> 00:20:06,234
Speaker 3: too scared too essentially, and we know this because a

466
00:20:06,354 --> 00:20:10,234
Speaker 3: letter was sent Congress from a group of really well

467
00:20:10,274 --> 00:20:13,354
Speaker 3: known film producers, and so we don't know all the

468
00:20:13,394 --> 00:20:15,394
Speaker 3: film producers who are involved in this because they didn't

469
00:20:15,434 --> 00:20:18,394
Speaker 3: put their names on the letter, but publications like Variety

470
00:20:18,714 --> 00:20:20,553
Speaker 3: so that some of the names are known to them,

471
00:20:20,554 --> 00:20:23,033
Speaker 3: and they're like, it's the biggest of the big film producers.

472
00:20:23,354 --> 00:20:26,434
Speaker 3: And so they've sent this letter to Congress asking to

473
00:20:26,474 --> 00:20:28,874
Speaker 3: block the merger, and they said, we have left our

474
00:20:28,954 --> 00:20:31,634
Speaker 3: names off this letter, not out of cowardice, but out

475
00:20:31,674 --> 00:20:35,594
Speaker 3: of fear of retaliation given Netflix's considerable power as a

476
00:20:35,594 --> 00:20:38,754
Speaker 3: buyer and distributor. Netflix all Warner Bros. Haven't put out

477
00:20:38,754 --> 00:20:40,834
Speaker 3: a statement about that yet. But it's interesting that you

478
00:20:40,914 --> 00:20:44,234
Speaker 3: have these people in Hollywood who usually the producers and

479
00:20:44,234 --> 00:20:47,194
Speaker 3: the filmmakers are the really powerful ones, and they put

480
00:20:47,194 --> 00:20:49,594
Speaker 3: out this letter saying block this. But they have even

481
00:20:49,634 --> 00:20:51,714
Speaker 3: come out and said we will not put individual names

482
00:20:51,714 --> 00:20:54,034
Speaker 3: on this for fear of retribution of what to happen

483
00:20:54,074 --> 00:20:57,074
Speaker 3: to our careers. Like I mean, holy hell, Ryan Murphy

484
00:20:57,114 --> 00:20:58,354
Speaker 3: needs to make a feud out of this or something.

485
00:20:58,354 --> 00:20:59,994
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm talking about Game of Thrones here,

486
00:21:00,154 --> 00:21:04,154
Speaker 3: like it seems really dry when you look at it.

487
00:21:02,914 --> 00:21:04,754
Speaker 1: It's actually not. And this is the thing when we

488
00:21:04,794 --> 00:21:07,394
Speaker 1: saw this and you pitched this in our meeting, like

489
00:21:07,434 --> 00:21:10,234
Speaker 1: this is obviously something that's really massive, but it has

490
00:21:10,274 --> 00:21:13,914
Speaker 1: this massive knock on effect to us as viewers, and

491
00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:17,033
Speaker 1: you know, it's really important that we understand what's happening

492
00:21:17,074 --> 00:21:20,754
Speaker 1: here and being able to have access to some diversity

493
00:21:20,794 --> 00:21:21,754
Speaker 1: in our Yeah.

494
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Speaker 2: I feeling yeah.

495
00:21:22,994 --> 00:21:25,474
Speaker 3: And I will just say, like, obviously, like Netflix hasn't

496
00:21:25,514 --> 00:21:26,914
Speaker 3: come out, and I know there's a lot of people

497
00:21:26,914 --> 00:21:28,354
Speaker 3: who are saying like it could be this, it could

498
00:21:28,354 --> 00:21:30,834
Speaker 3: be that. I'd just say, like they haven't actually said

499
00:21:31,234 --> 00:21:32,914
Speaker 3: what they plan to do. They haven't said there's going

500
00:21:32,954 --> 00:21:35,114
Speaker 3: to be any fall on effect. They did contact users

501
00:21:35,154 --> 00:21:37,394
Speaker 3: straight away to kind of let them know where they stood,

502
00:21:37,474 --> 00:21:39,553
Speaker 3: so it looks like they're being really commutative. So I'm

503
00:21:39,594 --> 00:21:41,634
Speaker 3: not sort of saying anything, you know, there's an evil

504
00:21:41,674 --> 00:21:43,273
Speaker 3: villain here or anything like that, but just kind of

505
00:21:43,314 --> 00:21:45,273
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting to be looking at what the

506
00:21:45,354 --> 00:21:47,674
Speaker 3: creative people in the film industry are saying and sort

507
00:21:47,714 --> 00:21:50,154
Speaker 3: of like the statements that they're putting out. Okay, so

508
00:21:50,234 --> 00:21:52,793
Speaker 3: that's everything that's happened in the last couple of days

509
00:21:52,994 --> 00:21:56,434
Speaker 3: with the deal between Warner Brothers and Netflix. But this

510
00:21:56,554 --> 00:21:59,274
Speaker 3: is an ever evolving story, and just today and last

511
00:21:59,354 --> 00:22:00,194
Speaker 3: night we've had.

512
00:21:59,994 --> 00:22:00,793
Speaker 2: Some more news.

513
00:22:01,274 --> 00:22:03,834
Speaker 3: So just days after Netflix put that one hundred and

514
00:22:03,874 --> 00:22:06,394
Speaker 3: twenty five billion dollar offer on the table to buy

515
00:22:06,554 --> 00:22:10,914
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers, a rival studio, Paramount, has swooped in now

516
00:22:11,354 --> 00:22:13,954
Speaker 3: with this huge counter offer for over one hundred and

517
00:22:13,994 --> 00:22:17,634
Speaker 3: sixty three billion dollars that's in Australian money. So this

518
00:22:17,674 --> 00:22:21,354
Speaker 3: news from Paramount directly challenges the billion dollar Netflix and

519
00:22:21,394 --> 00:22:24,434
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers merger that was announced just last week. So

520
00:22:24,594 --> 00:22:28,194
Speaker 3: if Netflix bought Warner Brothers, they'd also get HBO Max,

521
00:22:28,274 --> 00:22:31,234
Speaker 3: meaning that two of the world's largest streaming platforms would

522
00:22:31,234 --> 00:22:34,874
Speaker 3: suddenly live all under one roof. But if Paramount buys

523
00:22:34,914 --> 00:22:37,954
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers, Yden said have two of the biggest US

524
00:22:37,994 --> 00:22:41,634
Speaker 3: film studios and a heap of American TV channels all

525
00:22:41,674 --> 00:22:44,674
Speaker 3: bundled together under one building. So this is all shaping

526
00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:47,474
Speaker 3: up to be a huge, full blown battle between Paramount,

527
00:22:47,514 --> 00:22:50,273
Speaker 3: which is actually owned by Larry Ellison, who happens to

528
00:22:50,314 --> 00:22:52,754
Speaker 3: be a very vocal Donald Trump ally, and that's making

529
00:22:52,834 --> 00:22:55,793
Speaker 3: news headlines stay as well, and the streaming giant that

530
00:22:55,954 --> 00:22:59,313
Speaker 3: is Netflix. So Paramount is pitching its offer as the

531
00:22:59,394 --> 00:23:02,354
Speaker 3: better deal for shareholders, saying it gives them an extra

532
00:23:02,434 --> 00:23:05,274
Speaker 3: eighteen billion in cash and a much smoother path through

533
00:23:05,314 --> 00:23:08,394
Speaker 3: the regulators. They also make this big case about how

534
00:23:08,394 --> 00:23:10,914
Speaker 3: the dealer is better for the creative community, which as

535
00:23:10,954 --> 00:23:14,553
Speaker 3: we said before, has been a huge consideration in this merger,

536
00:23:15,034 --> 00:23:17,714
Speaker 3: and that will be better for movie theaters and consumers,

537
00:23:17,754 --> 00:23:21,034
Speaker 3: which is us arguing that it would actually increase.

538
00:23:20,634 --> 00:23:22,273
Speaker 2: Competition rather than squash it.

539
00:23:22,674 --> 00:23:24,434
Speaker 3: So for now, if you're keeping up with this ever

540
00:23:24,474 --> 00:23:27,754
Speaker 3: moving conversation, Warner Brothers or the board for Warner Brothers

541
00:23:27,914 --> 00:23:31,314
Speaker 3: says they'll formly review Paramount's hostile offer and then come

542
00:23:31,394 --> 00:23:34,154
Speaker 3: back to shareholders in about ten business days. So this

543
00:23:34,234 --> 00:23:36,674
Speaker 3: is going to continue into Christmas, lucky for us. But

544
00:23:36,794 --> 00:23:39,914
Speaker 3: publicly they're still standing by the Netflix agreement and moving

545
00:23:39,954 --> 00:23:41,714
Speaker 3: ahead with the exclusive talks there.

546
00:23:42,354 --> 00:23:43,154
Speaker 2: So there we have it.

547
00:23:43,194 --> 00:23:45,514
Speaker 3: That is where everything stands at this moment in time

548
00:23:45,594 --> 00:23:48,914
Speaker 3: between Warner Brothers, Netflix, and Paramount. Like I said, guys,

549
00:23:48,914 --> 00:23:50,354
Speaker 3: it's shaping up to be a bit of a game

550
00:23:50,394 --> 00:23:52,474
Speaker 3: of Thrones, battle of who will sit on the throne

551
00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:54,634
Speaker 3: at the end. We will keep you updating as this

552
00:23:54,674 --> 00:23:55,474
Speaker 3: story progresses.

553
00:23:57,594 --> 00:24:00,994
Speaker 1: So The Reckoning on Netflix was released last week, and

554
00:24:01,074 --> 00:24:03,513
Speaker 1: as we will know, this is the documentary about Sean P.

555
00:24:03,634 --> 00:24:07,674
Speaker 1: Didd Combs, who was just recently sentenced to fifty months

556
00:24:07,714 --> 00:24:13,074
Speaker 1: in prison for two prostitution related charges. The documentary has

557
00:24:13,114 --> 00:24:15,554
Speaker 1: a lot of information that we already knew and things

558
00:24:15,554 --> 00:24:17,914
Speaker 1: that were already brought up in the court case, but

559
00:24:17,994 --> 00:24:21,434
Speaker 1: there are a number of other allegations that were made

560
00:24:21,554 --> 00:24:26,714
Speaker 1: and are some really really surprising things for viewers. Now. Laura,

561
00:24:26,754 --> 00:24:28,274
Speaker 1: I know that you haven't had a chance to see

562
00:24:28,314 --> 00:24:30,994
Speaker 1: this yet. I have seen it, but I just kind

563
00:24:30,994 --> 00:24:33,154
Speaker 1: of want to go through a couple of the big things,

564
00:24:33,234 --> 00:24:36,553
Speaker 1: the big bombshells that we saw, and also kind of

565
00:24:36,594 --> 00:24:39,834
Speaker 1: explained to people a little bit about why the fifty

566
00:24:39,954 --> 00:24:42,834
Speaker 1: cent involvement in this is.

567
00:24:42,834 --> 00:24:45,394
Speaker 3: So significant for all the people that have seen that

568
00:24:45,474 --> 00:24:47,994
Speaker 3: like smiling photo of him on TV that's going a

569
00:24:47,994 --> 00:24:48,513
Speaker 3: bit viral.

570
00:24:48,714 --> 00:24:49,513
Speaker 2: So that's kind of the.

571
00:24:49,474 --> 00:24:51,273
Speaker 1: Biggest thing that's come off the back of this is

572
00:24:51,634 --> 00:24:53,553
Speaker 1: people are going, I want to be this level of

573
00:24:53,594 --> 00:24:57,034
Speaker 1: petty where you know, it's fifty cent smiling his skin

574
00:24:57,114 --> 00:25:01,434
Speaker 1: is glowing. They're like fifty cents one. So fifty cent

575
00:25:01,594 --> 00:25:05,353
Speaker 1: and PDD have a very, very long history. We are

576
00:25:05,394 --> 00:25:08,194
Speaker 1: basically talking about a few that has going on since

577
00:25:08,394 --> 00:25:12,434
Speaker 1: two thousand and two or thereabouts. I won't go into

578
00:25:12,434 --> 00:25:14,354
Speaker 1: the full thing because we'll be here forever and I'm

579
00:25:14,394 --> 00:25:17,954
Speaker 1: sure that I will get like slammed by massive, massive

580
00:25:18,074 --> 00:25:20,834
Speaker 1: hip hop and rap fans about how I've messed up

581
00:25:20,834 --> 00:25:22,154
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. So I'll just give you like

582
00:25:22,194 --> 00:25:25,234
Speaker 1: a top line of what has happened between the two

583
00:25:25,274 --> 00:25:28,914
Speaker 1: of them. So this beef stems a lot from the

584
00:25:29,034 --> 00:25:33,154
Speaker 1: allegation that fifty Cents said that Sean Diddy Combs was

585
00:25:33,194 --> 00:25:37,834
Speaker 1: profiting off of Biggie's death. So basically, Sean P. Diddy

586
00:25:37,914 --> 00:25:41,434
Speaker 1: Combs was doing all of these like events and things

587
00:25:41,434 --> 00:25:45,874
Speaker 1: on the anniversary of Biggie's death, and fifty cent was

588
00:25:45,914 --> 00:25:48,554
Speaker 1: basically saying stop trying to profit off this. There was

589
00:25:48,634 --> 00:25:51,154
Speaker 1: quite a lot of back and forth between them, and

590
00:25:51,274 --> 00:25:54,474
Speaker 1: there was you know, these back and forth disses about

591
00:25:54,554 --> 00:25:58,594
Speaker 1: you know, Sorock the vodka brand, fifty just basically constantly

592
00:25:58,634 --> 00:26:01,793
Speaker 1: calling him out. And as a general rule, there have

593
00:26:01,874 --> 00:26:05,834
Speaker 1: been very few people that have spoken out against p Diddy, However,

594
00:26:06,674 --> 00:26:12,034
Speaker 1: Fifty always did. Fifty also alleged that P Diddy was

595
00:26:12,314 --> 00:26:16,114
Speaker 1: involved in Tupac Shakur's death as well as potentially being

596
00:26:16,194 --> 00:26:20,074
Speaker 1: involved in Biggie's death. So he's basically tying one of

597
00:26:20,074 --> 00:26:24,354
Speaker 1: the largest music moguls in the music industry to two

598
00:26:24,994 --> 00:26:29,474
Speaker 1: very very prominent deaths in the music industry itself. And

599
00:26:29,554 --> 00:26:33,354
Speaker 1: this massive East Coast West Coast beef. Now that is

600
00:26:33,394 --> 00:26:37,234
Speaker 1: sort of part of the background of Fifty and P Diddy.

601
00:26:37,954 --> 00:26:42,034
Speaker 1: So the fact that Fifty is producing this particular documentary,

602
00:26:42,074 --> 00:26:44,514
Speaker 1: which is four part documentary on Netflix called The Reckoning.

603
00:26:44,874 --> 00:26:47,954
Speaker 1: It's about four hours long, each episode about an hour long.

604
00:26:48,594 --> 00:26:52,274
Speaker 1: It's significant because fifty has been someone who has spoken

605
00:26:52,314 --> 00:26:56,553
Speaker 1: out against P Diddy for years. Basically, the Internet are

606
00:26:56,594 --> 00:26:59,794
Speaker 1: going crazy over this because in all of the interviews,

607
00:27:00,234 --> 00:27:04,634
Speaker 1: he is smiling, He's got this gorgeous, glowing skin, and

608
00:27:04,674 --> 00:27:08,034
Speaker 1: he just looks thrilled. He looks so so happy that

609
00:27:08,354 --> 00:27:12,594
Speaker 1: someone has finally gotten their come upance. I'm saying all

610
00:27:12,634 --> 00:27:14,914
Speaker 1: of this alleged, We're not saying that any of this

611
00:27:14,954 --> 00:27:17,114
Speaker 1: is fact. He has been acquitted of a number of

612
00:27:17,154 --> 00:27:20,194
Speaker 1: the charges he was charged with, the counts of prostitution,

613
00:27:20,714 --> 00:27:24,074
Speaker 1: not the racketeering, the reco charges, or any of the

614
00:27:24,114 --> 00:27:26,114
Speaker 1: sex trafficking. So I just want to make that very clear.

615
00:27:26,954 --> 00:27:30,474
Speaker 1: But basically, the internet's going crazy because fifty he looks thrilled.

616
00:27:30,794 --> 00:27:33,274
Speaker 1: There are also allegations that he has been doing interviews

617
00:27:33,274 --> 00:27:36,513
Speaker 1: with certain networks because he knows those particular networks are

618
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:37,313
Speaker 1: shown in prison.

619
00:27:37,794 --> 00:27:39,994
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's the memes and videos that I've seen

620
00:27:40,034 --> 00:27:42,114
Speaker 3: going around. Is that it's not like he wouldn't have

621
00:27:42,114 --> 00:27:44,954
Speaker 3: given them interviews, but it's just that there's an overwhelming

622
00:27:45,034 --> 00:27:47,874
Speaker 3: few if you can kind of believe the information that's

623
00:27:47,914 --> 00:27:51,674
Speaker 3: out there, that he's chosen to give long interview slots too,

624
00:27:51,794 --> 00:27:53,513
Speaker 3: that are the ones that are shown in the common

625
00:27:53,554 --> 00:27:56,274
Speaker 3: areas in prison. And Shawn Crimes, of course, is still

626
00:27:56,274 --> 00:27:58,714
Speaker 3: in prison at the moment, and so there's this idea

627
00:27:58,794 --> 00:28:00,513
Speaker 3: of him sort of like having this kind of like

628
00:28:00,554 --> 00:28:04,194
Speaker 3: gotcha moment, final say moment in a way that Shawn

629
00:28:04,274 --> 00:28:06,474
Speaker 3: Holmes potentially might not be able to escape it.

630
00:28:06,914 --> 00:28:07,874
Speaker 2: I saw that side of it.

631
00:28:07,874 --> 00:28:09,874
Speaker 3: I've got to say, I really like fifty cent, not

632
00:28:09,914 --> 00:28:11,874
Speaker 3: only to his music, but like you hear things from

633
00:28:11,914 --> 00:28:14,114
Speaker 3: other people in the industry who speak really well of him.

634
00:28:14,434 --> 00:28:15,834
Speaker 3: I find a lot of the times when he goes

635
00:28:15,834 --> 00:28:17,553
Speaker 3: on chat shows and stuff, I agree with what he

636
00:28:17,594 --> 00:28:19,793
Speaker 3: says about things, and I know that he's not the

637
00:28:19,874 --> 00:28:23,594
Speaker 3: kind of driving force behind these viral pictures. And again,

638
00:28:23,634 --> 00:28:26,033
Speaker 3: we don't know that he actually went out and picked

639
00:28:26,354 --> 00:28:30,194
Speaker 3: these different networks to take down Shawn Cromes. But I

640
00:28:30,274 --> 00:28:33,674
Speaker 3: kind of hated that, like gleeful haha, Like this is

641
00:28:33,674 --> 00:28:35,674
Speaker 3: a dope kind of thing. And I love a celeb

642
00:28:35,754 --> 00:28:37,674
Speaker 3: feud more than anyone else in the world. I love

643
00:28:38,074 --> 00:28:41,634
Speaker 3: clb feud. I love when they trade insults via a song.

644
00:28:41,954 --> 00:28:43,874
Speaker 3: That's a fun time for all of us. But I

645
00:28:43,914 --> 00:28:47,714
Speaker 3: don't know if I love this idea of like this huge,

646
00:28:47,954 --> 00:28:51,794
Speaker 3: horrible thing that happened to all these people, most notably women,

647
00:28:51,914 --> 00:28:54,154
Speaker 3: kind of being reduced to this like gotcha moment for

648
00:28:54,274 --> 00:28:57,674
Speaker 3: one celeb over another. Because yes, Shawn Cromes was found

649
00:28:57,674 --> 00:28:59,434
Speaker 3: guilty of some of the charges, but as you were

650
00:28:59,434 --> 00:29:01,674
Speaker 3: just saying, he was acquitted for a lot of them,

651
00:29:02,034 --> 00:29:04,994
Speaker 3: and a lot of the people, including Cassie and the

652
00:29:05,074 --> 00:29:07,434
Speaker 3: other women who were there who weren't named, who stood

653
00:29:07,474 --> 00:29:09,754
Speaker 3: up in front of him in that courtroom and talked

654
00:29:09,754 --> 00:29:11,834
Speaker 3: about all these horrific things that they alleged he had

655
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:14,434
Speaker 3: done to them, and there was enough evidence to convict him,

656
00:29:14,514 --> 00:29:18,474
Speaker 3: not even taking into account the hundreds of people who

657
00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:21,674
Speaker 3: put out statements about him, allegations who said that he

658
00:29:21,714 --> 00:29:24,194
Speaker 3: did these terrible things to them. And it's really hard

659
00:29:24,194 --> 00:29:26,994
Speaker 3: to prove sexual assault, and it's really hard to prove rape,

660
00:29:27,274 --> 00:29:29,274
Speaker 3: especially if it happened years ago. So there were all

661
00:29:29,274 --> 00:29:31,874
Speaker 3: these people who never got justice for what they say

662
00:29:31,914 --> 00:29:34,914
Speaker 3: happened to them. And I understand this takedown of him

663
00:29:34,954 --> 00:29:36,874
Speaker 3: in a fun way, but I kind of didn't love

664
00:29:36,874 --> 00:29:38,674
Speaker 3: how it was glossing over what had really happened.

665
00:29:38,754 --> 00:29:42,234
Speaker 1: I completely understand what you're saying. This man has been

666
00:29:42,274 --> 00:29:46,394
Speaker 1: doing this in playing sight for so long, and no

667
00:29:46,434 --> 00:29:49,794
Speaker 1: one ever felt like they could say anything, and there's

668
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:52,954
Speaker 1: someone who fifty who is sort of speaking out against

669
00:29:53,034 --> 00:29:57,114
Speaker 1: him for all of these years, and finally people are

670
00:29:57,114 --> 00:30:01,674
Speaker 1: believing him to an extent. I completely understand what you're saying, though.

671
00:30:01,714 --> 00:30:04,474
Speaker 1: There's also another documentary on Disney Plus. If you've watched

672
00:30:04,514 --> 00:30:06,474
Speaker 1: the reckoning and you want to watch something else, there's

673
00:30:06,474 --> 00:30:09,474
Speaker 1: one on Disney Plus called Diddy on Trial as it Happened.

674
00:30:09,514 --> 00:30:11,674
Speaker 1: So there's another one there if you need a little

675
00:30:11,674 --> 00:30:14,994
Speaker 1: bit more information, but this is basically going back to

676
00:30:15,554 --> 00:30:17,634
Speaker 1: the allegations that were made against him when he was

677
00:30:17,634 --> 00:30:21,394
Speaker 1: in college, before he had even become a musician, and

678
00:30:21,434 --> 00:30:26,074
Speaker 1: those allegations were of domestic violence, sexual assault from multiple women.

679
00:30:26,634 --> 00:30:30,634
Speaker 1: There are former employees of his that have made allegations

680
00:30:30,674 --> 00:30:34,114
Speaker 1: and said I saw him do x Y and zaid

681
00:30:34,474 --> 00:30:39,114
Speaker 1: again allegations, but these are employees, these are former girlfriends,

682
00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:43,394
Speaker 1: these are old childhood friends who are alleging that basically

683
00:30:43,914 --> 00:30:49,754
Speaker 1: Sean Combs has been taking advantage of people financially, physically,

684
00:30:50,394 --> 00:30:54,394
Speaker 1: and really manipulating people for as long as they have

685
00:30:54,554 --> 00:30:57,354
Speaker 1: known him. And we're talking about back to the nineties,

686
00:30:58,034 --> 00:31:00,914
Speaker 1: so if you're familiar with Sean Colmes, he basically came

687
00:31:00,994 --> 00:31:03,994
Speaker 1: up as a producer and he started doing all of

688
00:31:04,034 --> 00:31:06,634
Speaker 1: these events and things like that. And the verse big

689
00:31:07,194 --> 00:31:09,954
Speaker 1: controversial thing that happened is he was hosting this event

690
00:31:10,074 --> 00:31:13,674
Speaker 1: and people were killed. That is all covered within the

691
00:31:13,674 --> 00:31:17,194
Speaker 1: documentary and has been spoken about before. There are a

692
00:31:17,194 --> 00:31:20,154
Speaker 1: couple of things within the documentary that I think are

693
00:31:20,954 --> 00:31:24,714
Speaker 1: relatively new or perhaps there are other people that have

694
00:31:24,794 --> 00:31:29,594
Speaker 1: come and spoken out about these these allegations. One of

695
00:31:29,634 --> 00:31:32,914
Speaker 1: them was the duras who were in the trial. There

696
00:31:32,914 --> 00:31:36,314
Speaker 1: are two durers who they interview within the documentary who

697
00:31:36,314 --> 00:31:41,074
Speaker 1: make comments about certain allegations. Throughout, these two durors are

698
00:31:41,114 --> 00:31:43,714
Speaker 1: giving their reasoning as to why he was found not

699
00:31:43,874 --> 00:31:48,714
Speaker 1: guilty on the racketeering and the sex trafficking charges. And

700
00:31:48,754 --> 00:31:53,674
Speaker 1: then they also address the Cassie video. Now, there is

701
00:31:53,674 --> 00:31:56,194
Speaker 1: that video that many of us have seen, if just

702
00:31:56,274 --> 00:31:59,314
Speaker 1: quite distressing, of him pulling Cassie by the hair in

703
00:31:59,394 --> 00:32:03,594
Speaker 1: the elevator and through the corridors of this hotel and

704
00:32:03,634 --> 00:32:06,114
Speaker 1: beating hers, but it's very clear that it's him and

705
00:32:06,194 --> 00:32:10,194
Speaker 1: her that is clear day. What these two jurors are

706
00:32:10,234 --> 00:32:14,314
Speaker 1: saying is that they're not denying that there is domestic

707
00:32:14,994 --> 00:32:20,634
Speaker 1: abuse there. However, he was not charged with domestic violence.

708
00:32:21,114 --> 00:32:23,394
Speaker 1: That was not one of the charges that were made

709
00:32:24,594 --> 00:32:28,474
Speaker 1: within the court case. So they cannot find him guilty

710
00:32:28,554 --> 00:32:33,074
Speaker 1: on sex trafficking based on a video that shows clear

711
00:32:33,114 --> 00:32:37,714
Speaker 1: domestic violence but not the other charge, and that I

712
00:32:37,834 --> 00:32:39,274
Speaker 1: found quite interesting.

713
00:32:39,914 --> 00:32:42,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess that was something that was explained,

714
00:32:42,234 --> 00:32:44,834
Speaker 3: Like I guess like when the final verdict from the

715
00:32:44,914 --> 00:32:47,874
Speaker 3: jury came out, there was so much confusion around how

716
00:32:47,914 --> 00:32:50,594
Speaker 3: he not being found guilty for these charges because for

717
00:32:50,634 --> 00:32:52,394
Speaker 3: so many people, especially if you went like in the

718
00:32:52,474 --> 00:32:56,354
Speaker 3: trenches of watching the live stream or watching like the

719
00:32:56,394 --> 00:32:58,594
Speaker 3: documents that came out every day, it did look like

720
00:32:58,634 --> 00:33:00,154
Speaker 3: a bit of a slam dunk for him being found

721
00:33:00,154 --> 00:33:02,994
Speaker 3: guilty because there was such overwhelming testimony. But that was

722
00:33:03,034 --> 00:33:04,834
Speaker 3: something I felt was like kind of picked over a

723
00:33:04,874 --> 00:33:07,074
Speaker 3: little bit after the verdict was read out because people

724
00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:09,114
Speaker 3: were like, especially for that one, because it's a tape,

725
00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:11,154
Speaker 3: like how good this happened. But that's the thing that

726
00:33:11,154 --> 00:33:13,634
Speaker 3: we always say about these with people not being found

727
00:33:13,634 --> 00:33:16,714
Speaker 3: guilty or with people being acquitted from things, is like

728
00:33:16,794 --> 00:33:19,834
Speaker 3: it's not always as clear cut as saying this person

729
00:33:19,914 --> 00:33:22,874
Speaker 3: is innocent. So many times it's the technicality of like

730
00:33:22,954 --> 00:33:25,194
Speaker 3: it couldn't be proven true, which is very different.

731
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Speaker 1: There is that, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt. There

732
00:33:28,154 --> 00:33:31,954
Speaker 1: are also some different allegations of a number of men

733
00:33:32,314 --> 00:33:36,034
Speaker 1: that are alleging sexual assault and being drugged with ketamine

734
00:33:36,114 --> 00:33:39,474
Speaker 1: and a number of other sort of pretty horrific allegations

735
00:33:39,514 --> 00:33:42,274
Speaker 1: against him. Those have kind of been reiterated in this

736
00:33:42,314 --> 00:33:46,554
Speaker 1: particular documentary. The other allegation that was made that was

737
00:33:46,554 --> 00:33:49,474
Speaker 1: something that was a little bit more clear in this one.

738
00:33:49,514 --> 00:33:52,234
Speaker 1: It had been mentioned in a number of other documentaries

739
00:33:52,274 --> 00:33:55,194
Speaker 1: and throughout the trial, but it was really doubled down

740
00:33:55,274 --> 00:33:58,874
Speaker 1: on in this particular documentary. And that was an allegation

741
00:33:59,074 --> 00:34:02,554
Speaker 1: made by Kirk Burrows, who is the co founder of

742
00:34:02,634 --> 00:34:07,514
Speaker 1: bad Boy Entertainment. He basically lost out towards the end,

743
00:34:07,594 --> 00:34:10,553
Speaker 1: has spoken out against P did It. He insinuates in

744
00:34:10,594 --> 00:34:15,314
Speaker 1: this particular documentary that P did he purposely encouraged Biggie

745
00:34:15,314 --> 00:34:18,074
Speaker 1: to stay in La when he was supposed to fly

746
00:34:18,434 --> 00:34:22,993
Speaker 1: to Europe for these press conferences, and a few days

747
00:34:23,034 --> 00:34:27,234
Speaker 1: later he was murdered. The insinuation by Kirk Burrows is

748
00:34:27,274 --> 00:34:29,674
Speaker 1: that P did He was doing this on purpose. It's

749
00:34:29,794 --> 00:34:33,074
Speaker 1: not said out there, but it is. It is very

750
00:34:33,114 --> 00:34:36,634
Speaker 1: heavily implied that that's the reason. Not only other suggesting

751
00:34:36,674 --> 00:34:41,074
Speaker 1: that P did he had involvement in Tupakshaku's death, but

752
00:34:41,274 --> 00:34:45,754
Speaker 1: also in Biggie's death, and they also suggesting and alleging

753
00:34:46,314 --> 00:34:50,234
Speaker 1: that P. Diddy was really adding fuel to the East

754
00:34:50,274 --> 00:34:53,874
Speaker 1: Coast West Coast feud during this time.

755
00:34:54,434 --> 00:34:56,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, those are big allegations, but also

756
00:34:56,954 --> 00:34:59,114
Speaker 3: like I guess there were. The reason this documentary has

757
00:34:59,154 --> 00:35:01,873
Speaker 3: been released now is that they couldn't have released it

758
00:35:01,914 --> 00:35:04,314
Speaker 3: before the trial because it could be seen to be

759
00:35:04,394 --> 00:35:06,993
Speaker 3: misleading the jury or contempt of court or anything like that.

760
00:35:07,314 --> 00:35:10,154
Speaker 3: So obviously they've waited till now to release this, But

761
00:35:10,314 --> 00:35:12,794
Speaker 3: also they must feel like they have enough evidence, and

762
00:35:12,794 --> 00:35:14,274
Speaker 3: I'm sure they would have to get this level of

763
00:35:14,274 --> 00:35:17,274
Speaker 3: documentary out there in the world, enough evidence to prove

764
00:35:17,434 --> 00:35:20,114
Speaker 3: that it is at least true enough to put out

765
00:35:20,114 --> 00:35:21,674
Speaker 3: into the welth that makes sense, because yeah, not the

766
00:35:21,674 --> 00:35:23,514
Speaker 3: Sean Crome is really in a position to be suing

767
00:35:23,554 --> 00:35:25,954
Speaker 3: for defamation. But in order to sue for defamation, he

768
00:35:25,994 --> 00:35:27,913
Speaker 3: would have to prove that everything they're saying is a

769
00:35:27,954 --> 00:35:29,873
Speaker 3: lie and it has defamed him in a way that

770
00:35:29,914 --> 00:35:32,834
Speaker 3: would lose work. And that ship has really sailed in

771
00:35:32,874 --> 00:35:33,754
Speaker 3: this area.

772
00:35:33,794 --> 00:35:36,594
Speaker 1: And I mean, this man has been in trouble a

773
00:35:36,674 --> 00:35:40,154
Speaker 1: number of times. This particular court case is not the

774
00:35:40,194 --> 00:35:42,834
Speaker 1: first time that he's been in trouble with the law.

775
00:35:43,274 --> 00:35:46,073
Speaker 1: The final one and the one that I also want

776
00:35:46,114 --> 00:35:49,074
Speaker 1: to really be very very clear on that these are

777
00:35:49,154 --> 00:35:52,634
Speaker 1: alleged accusations. We're not saying that this has happened. This

778
00:35:52,674 --> 00:35:55,674
Speaker 1: is just what has been said in this documentary. Dannity

779
00:35:55,794 --> 00:35:59,474
Speaker 1: Caine member or Bri O'Day, who many people will remember

780
00:35:59,514 --> 00:36:02,354
Speaker 1: from making a banned Season three, which is the reality

781
00:36:02,354 --> 00:36:05,394
Speaker 1: TV show that p did he was producing and starring

782
00:36:05,474 --> 00:36:10,554
Speaker 1: in during the two thousand so. Aubrey O'Day has spoken

783
00:36:10,594 --> 00:36:13,954
Speaker 1: about her relationship with Sean Combs and that it was

784
00:36:13,994 --> 00:36:18,354
Speaker 1: a very complex relationship and that he was abusive towards

785
00:36:18,394 --> 00:36:24,194
Speaker 1: her verbally. However, during this documentary, Aubre o day is

786
00:36:24,314 --> 00:36:28,714
Speaker 1: made aware of an AFFI David made by another unnamed

787
00:36:28,794 --> 00:36:34,554
Speaker 1: alleged victim of Sewn Combs. This person, in this Affi

788
00:36:34,594 --> 00:36:40,274
Speaker 1: David has said that she walked in to Sewn Combs

789
00:36:40,354 --> 00:36:46,114
Speaker 1: and another unnamed man sexually assaulting Aubrey O'Day.

790
00:36:46,714 --> 00:36:47,154
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

791
00:36:47,514 --> 00:36:53,194
Speaker 1: Aubrey O'Day says she does not remember this, and she's questioning, basically,

792
00:36:53,794 --> 00:36:54,474
Speaker 1: was I raped?

793
00:36:54,874 --> 00:36:55,154
Speaker 3: Yeah?

794
00:36:55,274 --> 00:36:56,074
Speaker 2: Oh that's horrific.

795
00:36:56,234 --> 00:36:59,274
Speaker 1: It's quite horrific. And I'm trying to be quite cautious

796
00:36:59,314 --> 00:37:01,993
Speaker 1: about the way that I'm wording this because I think

797
00:37:01,994 --> 00:37:04,434
Speaker 1: it is very sensitive and I want to be very cautious.

798
00:37:04,674 --> 00:37:07,994
Speaker 1: She's basically said, I don't want to know. The person

799
00:37:07,994 --> 00:37:12,354
Speaker 1: who made this allegation has been asked again and again

800
00:37:13,194 --> 00:37:15,354
Speaker 1: are you sure? Are you sure? And she's saying one

801
00:37:15,434 --> 00:37:19,754
Speaker 1: hundred percent it was Aubrio days she was effectively unconscious. Wow,

802
00:37:20,154 --> 00:37:25,194
Speaker 1: it's quite explosive and it is really really distressing. We

803
00:37:25,234 --> 00:37:27,594
Speaker 1: don't know what the outcome of that is going to be,

804
00:37:27,674 --> 00:37:30,154
Speaker 1: but that is something in the documentary that is really

805
00:37:30,234 --> 00:37:36,994
Speaker 1: really difficult, yeah, to listen to, particularly Aubrio Day, realizing

806
00:37:37,074 --> 00:37:39,354
Speaker 1: that that is potentially something that could have happened to

807
00:37:39,394 --> 00:37:40,674
Speaker 1: her that she doesn't remember.

808
00:37:40,954 --> 00:37:43,554
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that's just a very necessary reminder

809
00:37:43,634 --> 00:37:45,714
Speaker 3: for everything to do with the Shawn clmbs's allegations in

810
00:37:45,714 --> 00:37:47,674
Speaker 3: the court case, because I think at first, like a

811
00:37:47,714 --> 00:37:49,194
Speaker 3: lot of people got whipped into a bit of a

812
00:37:49,194 --> 00:37:51,794
Speaker 3: frenzy over like celebrities who might be taken down with

813
00:37:51,914 --> 00:37:53,994
Speaker 3: him and the crazy things that happened at these parties.

814
00:37:54,434 --> 00:37:58,074
Speaker 3: And then it wasn't this big Hollywood takedown. It was

815
00:37:58,194 --> 00:38:01,794
Speaker 3: just this really serious, sobering group of men and women

816
00:38:01,874 --> 00:38:05,114
Speaker 3: putting for these accusations. And then I think the documentary

817
00:38:05,154 --> 00:38:06,794
Speaker 3: is a little bit the same, whereas like people want

818
00:38:06,794 --> 00:38:09,393
Speaker 3: to come to it for the celebrity thrill, but that's

819
00:38:09,434 --> 00:38:11,314
Speaker 3: not the important side of it. Like the important side

820
00:38:11,314 --> 00:38:13,914
Speaker 3: of it is these horrific stories that happened, and I

821
00:38:13,954 --> 00:38:16,194
Speaker 3: don't think turning away from it. And again, not again,

822
00:38:16,354 --> 00:38:19,074
Speaker 3: I really appreciate fifty cent like making this documentary, and

823
00:38:19,114 --> 00:38:20,834
Speaker 3: I think he's not just someone like he puts his

824
00:38:21,114 --> 00:38:23,074
Speaker 3: money where his mouth is and he's gone out and

825
00:38:23,114 --> 00:38:26,154
Speaker 3: like made this documentary and is like obviously trying to

826
00:38:26,194 --> 00:38:29,194
Speaker 3: tell victims stories and that's really important. So yeah, I

827
00:38:29,194 --> 00:38:32,834
Speaker 3: don't love this celebrity sensationalism if of it when there's

828
00:38:32,874 --> 00:38:35,874
Speaker 3: these real stories that are like right there, and if

829
00:38:35,914 --> 00:38:37,433
Speaker 3: he's not going to be brought to justice in the

830
00:38:37,474 --> 00:38:39,674
Speaker 3: court system for them, at least they're out in the

831
00:38:39,674 --> 00:38:41,274
Speaker 3: world and on the record in some way.

832
00:38:41,474 --> 00:38:44,913
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, Look, I really encourage you to

833
00:38:45,034 --> 00:38:49,114
Speaker 1: watch the documentary. I do think that he needs to

834
00:38:49,154 --> 00:38:53,674
Speaker 1: be taken to account for a number of these other allegations.

835
00:38:54,274 --> 00:38:57,114
Speaker 1: And if there is anything good that can come out

836
00:38:57,154 --> 00:39:00,554
Speaker 1: of this is that hopefully he can be held responsible

837
00:39:00,594 --> 00:39:04,074
Speaker 1: for the allegations that have been made against him. He's

838
00:39:04,274 --> 00:39:08,393
Speaker 1: impacted a lot of people decay. You know, there is

839
00:39:08,434 --> 00:39:12,314
Speaker 1: a woman from the nineties who alleges that he shot her,

840
00:39:13,314 --> 00:39:15,953
Speaker 1: and she was dragged through the mud talking about how

841
00:39:15,994 --> 00:39:18,634
Speaker 1: she was disgusting and ugly and she has lived with

842
00:39:18,714 --> 00:39:21,953
Speaker 1: that for decades because he was able to get away

843
00:39:21,994 --> 00:39:22,234
Speaker 1: with it.

844
00:39:22,514 --> 00:39:23,473
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly why.

845
00:39:23,594 --> 00:39:26,154
Speaker 1: So this is why it's really important to listen to

846
00:39:26,154 --> 00:39:28,834
Speaker 1: these stories and take him to account. Yeah. I know

847
00:39:28,874 --> 00:39:32,034
Speaker 1: it's not the most upbeat thing, but I really do

848
00:39:32,154 --> 00:39:34,474
Speaker 1: encourage you to watch it. Even if there is a

849
00:39:34,474 --> 00:39:37,433
Speaker 1: bit of lightness in the fifty cent stuff, I think

850
00:39:37,474 --> 00:39:41,594
Speaker 1: it has the ability to basically bring people into watching

851
00:39:41,674 --> 00:39:44,913
Speaker 1: it and understanding the more serious aspects of it. So

852
00:39:45,794 --> 00:39:47,754
Speaker 1: I think it's great that fifty has been able to

853
00:39:47,754 --> 00:39:51,074
Speaker 1: sort of stand by his word, and that's I think

854
00:39:51,154 --> 00:39:54,314
Speaker 1: where people are bringing joy from, rather than making light

855
00:39:54,474 --> 00:39:57,393
Speaker 1: of a really serious situation. Thank you so much for

856
00:39:57,514 --> 00:39:59,794
Speaker 1: listening to the spell. Look if this has brought up

857
00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:03,034
Speaker 1: anything for you, we have popped a few resources in

858
00:40:03,034 --> 00:40:06,474
Speaker 1: our show notes. This spill is produced by Manisha ysworn

859
00:40:06,514 --> 00:40:08,394
Speaker 1: with Sam Prada by Scott Strowatt.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye, Mamma. Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land.

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Speaker 3: We have recorded this podcast on the Gadigol people of

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00:40:24,594 --> 00:40:25,354
Speaker 3: the Oronation.

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