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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's like a perfect it's a perfect

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Speaker 1: No, and also being different was social exclusion. You were

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Speaker 3: Well, and all of these elements I see in Quinnie,

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Speaker 2: How did you feel?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because in some ways it's incredibly exciting to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's like Chloe. So now that.

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Speaker 2: Took that long. Do you think it took that long?

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Speaker 1: If we want to look deeper, our world values a

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Speaker 3: But what were you doing at that point that led them?

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Speaker 1: the weekends, I'll kind of go it's not God's timing.

445
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to do it, you know, put it

446
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: to one, put it to the side. I'm focusing on

447
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: this now. This came through and I could just tell

448
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: so deeply that this was my job. I was like,

449
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: this is my character. I like, that's my job. And

450
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: there's actually a video somewhere of me competing and you

451
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: can see my lips moving and it's me practicing my

452
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: script in the middle of my run. And I get

453
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: off and I get my makeup on and everything, and

454
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 1: I go when I do my audition, and I messaged

455
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: my agent like an hour later, I'm like, have you

456
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: heard back yet? And he's like, that's not how this works.

457
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 1: You know, that's not how this works. But I was

458
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: messaging him every single day.

459
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: How did the audition go? Then, so you must have

460
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: felt good. I don't know.

461
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if I felt like I did good.

462
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: I was just like, I just want this so bad.

463
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,880
Speaker 1: I wanted it so so bad. And then I don't remember.

464
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: It felt like years, but I'm not I think it

465
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 1: was probably a week or so later that I got

466
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: contacted or that he got contacted by the casting team

467
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: asking me to do a second audition, and then a

468
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit after that, they asked me to do an

469
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 1: audition in front of the producers and the casting team,

470
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: and then we went into chemistry reads. And so chemistry

471
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: reads are where you do auditions with actors that are

472
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: auditioning for characters that you're going to be playing alongside

473
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: to see how well you know how good your chemistry is.

474
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: I was doing came reads like every single day, and.

475
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: That's interesting, yeah, because as an actor auditioning for things,

476
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: you're always looking for the little clues that you know

477
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: to see how you're.

478
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: Going a lot, yes, But with that being said, like

479
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: I was doing camorriads every single day with different different

480
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: actors for other roles, right, And so my whole family

481
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: and my team were like, like, you are so close

482
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: to this, and I was like, I'm not listening. I

483
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it because if I don't get this,

484
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: I don't want.

485
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: To be disappointed.

486
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 1: Because at this point, there had been so many jobs

487
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: that I had. I was like, it was down to

488
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: me and one other person and I didn't get it.

489
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: And there was also a couple of jobs that I

490
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: had and then they found out that I was autistic

491
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: and I lost the job.

492
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 3: Now I've heard you, I've heard you mention this before once.

493
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: How does that look like? How does that work? And

494
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 3: how do they how do they find out that you're

495
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: autistic in a way that it affects them to the

496
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 3: negative of the job that when they've met you and cast.

497
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 2: You the correct problem correct.

498
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: That's the entire issue that and media has a lot

499
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: of foothold in this. The way that autism has been

500
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: presented historically in media is extremely negative. When you hear

501
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: about autism, it's either from the lens of Sheldon Cooper

502
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: or what's eating Gilbert Grape or rain men. We see

503
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: very stereotype iadias of autism when it's presented to us

504
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: in fiction, and when we hear about autism and the news,

505
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: it's usually he's a criminal who's done something really bad

506
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: and by the way, we've just found out he's autistic,

507
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: and it's made out that the reason why they did

508
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: something evil is because they're autistic, when most of the

509
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 1: time it mean all the time it had nothing to

510
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: do with the fact. They're just going to use that

511
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: because it's a story. It's very rare that we ever

512
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: hear of autistic people in the media, but so.

513
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 3: When they these producers for these roles that you were

514
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: offered and then were retracted.

515
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: So the idea is that they hear autism. Goody as

516
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: you know Chloe's autistic.

517
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: Well, I told so the role that I lost specifically,

518
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: I think it was over a decade ago now that

519
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: this specific incident happens.

520
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 3: So time is important in these conversations, isn't it.

521
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely I don't.

522
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: I think discrimination laws would stop that from happening.

523
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 2: Now. I don't know.

524
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: I have heard of people in the industry I'm I

525
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: work with MAAA there, I'm on the disability board for that,

526
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: and I have heard of some really horrific stories of

527
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: disabled people losing jobs because of being disabled or being

528
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: discriminated against because of being disabled.

529
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: It still happens every single day.

530
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: But with this specific incident, it was over a decade ago,

531
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: and I think I told them that I was autistic.

532
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: After they told me.

533
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: That I had the job, and they sent me an

534
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 1: email and said, hey, we've decided to change paths. We're

535
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: going down a different route. They didn't tell me that

536
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: I didn't get the job because I'm autistics, but there

537
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: was no new information for them other than me being

538
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: artistic when I lost the job.

539
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 3: Well, this is an interesting thing because because of your

540
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 3: advocacy and your openness, and there's so much education to

541
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: be done. Still, even though there's such a plethora of

542
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 3: neurodivergent people and people neurodivergence amongst people that people love

543
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: and children and cousins and brothers and whatever, that it

544
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 3: still seems a rarity. It's not a rarity anymore. But

545
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 3: in your body of work. And so we've talked about

546
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Quinnie for instance, do you, as an actor, do you

547
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: want to play autistic characters or do you want to

548
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 3: play characters?

549
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: I want to play characters.

550
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: I think that having autistic people playing onistic people is

551
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: absolutely vital. I do not think anyone that is not

552
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: autistic should ever play an autistic person. With that being said,

553
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't think that autistic actors should only be playing

554
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: autistic people, especially because I am quite positive that the

555
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: majority of the industry is neurodivergent. So you're not going

556
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: to have any characters atist. But I'm an actor. My

557
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: job is to play pretend. I've been playing pretended being

558
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: neurotypical very very well for a very very long time.

559
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: Autistic characters need to be played by autistic people. But

560
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: when it comes to opening that up, I'm not an

561
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: autistic actor. I'm an actor and I also happen to

562
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: be autistic, and I think that's you know, I've I've

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: played characters where I'm a drug addict. I'm not a

564
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: drug addict. I've played characters where you know that I'm like,

565
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: really nasty. I don't think I'm really nasty. Like I

566
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: you know, my job is to play pretend and there's

567
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: there's no limits to what playing pretend is. But when

568
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: we're talking about minority casting, and that's when it comes

569
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: to race, when it comes to disability, specifically, when it

570
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: comes to trans characters, there are certain roles that only

571
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: certain people can play, and a lot of it because

572
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 1: of where the industry is at the moment. One in

573
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: five Australians are disabled. When we look at screen, one

574
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: in five characters are not disabled. That's an issue when

575
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: we're watching Neighbors or Home and Away or Heartbreak High

576
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: or like you know, enter your movie or TV show here.

577
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: So much of the time, if you're seeing a disabled character,

578
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: their entire storyline is that they're disabled.

579
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: And I love Quinnie.

580
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: I think She's done incredible things for the community, but

581
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: her whole storyline is that she's autistic. We need to

582
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: move away from that. She was incredible and I love

583
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: her like Quinny is so important to me, but her

584
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: job was to be the autistic character and she did

585
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: incredible it being that, we now need to go a

586
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: step more and we now need to have characters that

587
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: just so happened to be disabled and it has nothing

588
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: to do with them. We need to move away from

589
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: let's cast someone disabled so we can have a disabled

590
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: storyline and move on to we need to cast a

591
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: villain and they happen to be an amputee.

592
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: We need to.

593
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Cast and they happen to be in a wheelchair.

594
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: We need to now have what Bridgington did with Race

595
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: exactly and also the most recent season of Bridging and

596
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: also did really well when it comes to disability casting.

597
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: One of the one of the maids is an amputee. Awesome,

598
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: and we never hear about She never brings it up,

599
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: No one else ever brings it up. She just happens

600
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: to be an amputee. There's there's two people in Bridging

601
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: and that are using sign language and it's never brought

602
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: up it just so happens to be there. We need

603
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: to have so much more of that so that when

604
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: kids are watching media, it's just an intrinsic part of

605
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 1: their lives, the same way that it is in the

606
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: real world.

607
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: So, given the nature of your advocacy and how alive

608
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: that is, do you sometimes feel that you have you

609
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: bear the responsibility for so many people behind you, or

610
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: they're be coming through the.

611
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: Door with you.

612
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: I think I am very privileged to be in the

613
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: body that I'm in because for me, despite the fact

614
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: that i was bullied and not treated kindly, because I'm autistic,

615
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: because I appear to be able bodied, and because I'm white,

616
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: and because I'm conventionally attractive, it is much easier for

617
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: people to listen to me than it would be to

618
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: listen to someone else.

619
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: And because of that, and also, you.

620
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: Know, I know that I'm good at my job, and

621
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: I know that I'm good at speaking, and I know

622
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: that I'm good at Pixie.

623
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 2: I know that all of that is there too. But because.

624
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: Of the body that I'm in and the position that

625
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm in and the privilege that i have, I'm able

626
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: to be where I am. And I think it's very

627
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: very important that we don't stop there. Quinnie was incredible

628
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: for who she is, but Quinnie was only one representation

629
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: of autism, and she was an extremely palatable version of autism.

630
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: She was very manic, pixie dream girl autism. She was

631
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: very cute, and she was very quirky, and she wasn't

632
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: controversial and she was very sweet.

633
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: And that's palatable.

634
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: So it's an easy digestible way for people to go, Okay, I.

635
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 2: Can accept autism.

636
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: We now need to leave her and we need to

637
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: move away from that, and we need to offer those

638
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: positions to black autistic people and non speaking autistic peace

639
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: people and autistic people that live in bodies and present

640
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: differently to the way that I do. And in some

641
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 1: ways that is my responsibility, but it's also the responsibility

642
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: more so for the industry and for key players in

643
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: the game. My job is to go, you've given me

644
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: these jobs. I need you to open these jobs up

645
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: to other people. And that's why I'm in politics and

646
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,959
Speaker 1: that's why I'm in the Actors' Union to make sure

647
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: that more people can have these opportunities, because it can't

648
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: just stay with me.

649
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: And do you ever feel like some days when because

650
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 3: you have a finite amount of energy that there's not

651
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 3: enough energy for that, or you wish you didn't have

652
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 3: to exchange your energy on that.

653
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: It's not my job to advocate for everyone all the time.

654
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: And that's something that I have to continue to remind

655
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: myself because I get told by a lot of people

656
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: that I need to have this energy and this passion twenty.

657
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: Four seven as no one can do that. It is

658
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 2: not up to me.

659
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: And I get told a lot often by the autistic

660
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: community that I'm not doing enough, oh.

661
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: Really quite often.

662
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: And I understand whether that's a huge community, absolutely, And

663
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing, Like I absolutely understand where that

664
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: frustration comes from. I one, one hundred percent understand why

665
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: they are frustrated. But it is not up to me alone.

666
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: And there are so many autistic people out there now.

667
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: Like when I started blogging, I didn't see anyone else

668
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: that was talking about it. Now, if you go to

669
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: a bookshop, there are so many books made for autistic

670
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: people by autistic people.

671
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: There are a lot more than just me. Now, there

672
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: are significantly more than just me. Now.

673
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: It shouldn't be up to me, and it shouldn't be

674
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: up to me alone, and it also doesn't have to

675
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: be exactly and that's what community is. Community is if

676
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: I need to take a break, someone else is going

677
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: to step up and we need to That's how we

678
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: need to be in all facets of society that I

679
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: if I need to step down because if I'm burnt out,

680
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to help anyone. No, And I

681
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing when it comes to advocacy is

682
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: we have to put we have to put ourselves first.

683
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: And you also have to navigate yourself absolutely because I

684
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: can't help people if I'm not helping myself, Like I

685
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 1: have to be able to make sure that my mental

686
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: health is safe because if I am broken down and

687
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: burnt out, I can't help anyone. And so me pushing

688
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: myself day in and day out and getting burnt out

689
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: and getting depressed and not able to function doesn't help anyone.

690
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: So if I step down, more step up.

691
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: And also you have to live your life to its fullest,

692
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 3: and that means not necessarily taking on everyone else's challenges

693
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: because that's you'll think like the Titanic exactly. But you

694
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 3: also have a life to live of family and friends

695
00:36:54,520 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: and love and yeah, after this short break, he reveals

696
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: that she was advised by industry members to stop talking

697
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: about autism because you are an actor, and actors are

698
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 3: often comparative with each other the nature of it, who's

699
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: getting work, who's whatever, who's got the most lines, who's

700
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: the da da dada. Because you require a certain amount

701
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: of ego to be an actor, and at the same

702
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 3: time you have to manage that ego so it doesn't

703
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: gobble you up. So when you started to get all

704
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: this attention for Quinnie, for instance, that no one really

705
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 3: could have anticipated, maybe you knew it absolutely not.

706
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: How was that?

707
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: And I mean the whole cast was riding the wave

708
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: as well, deservedly so, But how was that for you

709
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: on an individual basis, given that you came from a

710
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: background where you'd been persecuted for being different before. Was

711
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: there any elements of that that you were like, Oh,

712
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: I have to proceed a bit cautiously here, or do

713
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

714
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: People told me to proceed cautiously. I had people that

715
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: were very key players in the industry told me that

716
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed to speak up anymore, and for a

717
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: really long time it terrified me. I was told by

718
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: people that because I was told by people that I

719
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: can't bite the hands that feeds me. And I've been

720
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: told that a lot.

721
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 3: And in what way would you have been barding the

722
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: hand I am in the general industry?

723
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: Yep?

724
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: And if journalists are going to speak negatively about autism

725
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: in articles that feature me, if people are going to

726
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: be doing really evil things in the industry, I'm not

727
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: allowed to call them out on that.

728
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: You know why. That's like that saying, never pick a

729
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 3: fart with some one who buys ink by the barrel. Yes,

730
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: so they've got you don't want to antagonize the people

731
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 3: who hold the power.

732
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 2: See, And I've been told that a lot.

733
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: I have been told by so many people that now

734
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: that I'm in the industry, I can't criticize the industry.

735
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: I think, more so than ever, I need to criticize

736
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: the industry because I'm here, and I think that's true

737
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: for anyone. I think you know, have look at all

738
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's happening with the Epsteine files and

739
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 1: how many major musicians and labels and managers are in it.

740
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 2: We have to call people out.

741
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: If you're not calling people out, you're being complicit in it.

742
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: And that it's just as bad.

743
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: I was told about for a really long time that

744
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to and that scared me so much

745
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: because I thought that I had to choose between my

746
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: career and my advocacy. I had to choose between my

747
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: ethics and my values and my dreams.

748
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: That's not the case.

749
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: You have to be strong in your ethics regardless of

750
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I don't want to be in

751
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: this industry if I have to forfeit my morals and

752
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: my values just to get to where I want to go.

753
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 3: Was there a moment where, because there was so much

754
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: spotlight on you, and because like I said, you were

755
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: such a breakout star on the show amongst many stars

756
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 3: like they're great, great work on that show, did you

757
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 3: ever feel this is too much? Or did people around

758
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,760
Speaker 3: you think this is too much? Were you ever aware

759
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: that there was that slight competition or oh, Chloe's getting

760
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 3: something again or I don't.

761
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: Think so, and again, like I just don't like I

762
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: see my co stars getting incredible roles and there's no

763
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: part of me that goes, oh, that should have been mine.

764
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 2: I want to celebrate.

765
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: Them, I think, particularly like when I look at other

766
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: young women in this industry, I just want to I

767
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: want to lift them up.

768
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't think this industry can survive if we're tearing

769
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: each other down. And that's true for everything.

770
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 3: It's true, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

771
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. And it

772
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: happens a lot more than what you would want it to.

773
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we should also do it.

774
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: Like we need to be the change that we want

775
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: to see, and like when it comes to heartbreak, everyone

776
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: is so like we all have so much love for

777
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: each other that when we see each other doing well,

778
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: we genuinely love that, Like we genuinely want to see

779
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: each other doing well, Like your success is not an

780
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: indicator of my own success, you know.

781
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 2: And also it's very much a collective. You raise one,

782
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: you raise everyone, you know.

783
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 3: The rising tide. Okay, let me ask you this thing.

784
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 3: Given that, how is how is the prospect of it ending?

785
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 3: Or how is it ending?

786
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 2: How does that feel?

787
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: It's it's very bittersweet, you know, Like we were saying,

788
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: it was my first big job.

789
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for like five years. I think.

790
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: When I got heartbreak. The whole audition process was over zoom.

791
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: We didn't meet until we all moved up to Sydney

792
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: to stuff really yeah, which was very rare, but it's

793
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: because it was all dreams. We didn't meet until we

794
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: all had our roles, so none of.

795
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: Us met anyone.

796
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: I didn't meet the other actors, I didn't meet the producers,

797
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: I didn't meet the directors. I didn't meet anyone until

798
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: we had all moved up and were living there. Oh

799
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: to start, and so I remember being terrified, Like I

800
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: was at the airport with my parents and I was

801
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: bowling my eyes out. I had to get home schooled

802
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: in the eight because of how bad the bullying was.

803
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm terrified of people my age. To this day, I'm

804
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: terrified of groups of people my age. And I went,

805
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: I can't do this. I'm about to live with twelve

806
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: people my age and they're all actors. That means they're

807
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: going to be cool, and they're going to be really talented,

808
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: and they're probably all going to be mean. I'm going

809
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: to get bullied. It's going to be like school again.

810
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: But I already signed the contract to back out, and

811
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: so I went there and I remember being so so scared,

812
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: and we met everyone and immediately I was like, Oh,

813
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: these people and my family and they're all weirdos, Like they're.

814
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: All just like me, and so I think that kind of.

815
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: Stay throughout the whole time, and so finishing it was

816
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: very bittersweet because it was the first group of people

817
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: that I'd ever felt safe to be myself around, and

818
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: it was our first big job. And I remember like

819
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: during season one, we would go out and we'd see

820
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: other TV shows that had like signs on buses and

821
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: we were like.

822
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 2: Oh, my god, imagine if that's us.

823
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: One day we're like, no, don't even say that, Like

824
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: that's dreaming too big. Like we had no idea how

825
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: big this show was going to go. Like we've grown

826
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: in every single way you can grow together and have

827
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: seen each other through everything. So finishing that show, like

828
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: filming our last scene. I will never forget that feeling

829
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: of finishing our last scene.

830
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. The beautiful thing is.

831
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: The Australian industry is quite small, and so I know

832
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: that we'll all be together in some capacity. It'll never

833
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: be like it is now, And everyone tells us how

834
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: special it is to have what we have and how

835
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: it is so rare.

836
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 3: It's interesting though that you realize that, because you know,

837
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 3: sometimes you're in a period where that will only happen once,

838
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: but because you're in it, yeah, you don't recognize it. Yeah,

839
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: but really special things, I think you know when they're happening.

840
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: I agree there.

841
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: And so on the last day, who was the what

842
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: set you are?

843
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: So we we all got to film our last scene together.

844
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: They made sure that the last scene of the whole

845
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: shoot was a scene that all of us were in together,

846
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: which was really beautiful. And it was really really late,

847
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: like it was past midnight, and we were doing our

848
00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: last setup for this scene and we didn't know how

849
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: many takes it would take, because you don't know if

850
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: it's going to be a one hit wonder if it's

851
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: going to take twenty times to do this take. And

852
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: so wh knew it was a last set up, meaning

853
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: we knew it was going to be really soon that

854
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: it was finishing. And I remember we were standing there

855
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: and we were all like hugging and holding hands and stuff,

856
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: just before the camera's called action and we were all

857
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: like fighting back tears, like the poor makeup team were

858
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: like struggling.

859
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Of course, the touch us.

860
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then I remember they did it a

861
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: few times, and every single time they would call cut,

862
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: Like the tension was so high because we were all

863
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: just standing there, just tense, going are they going to

864
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: say it? Are they going to say it? And the

865
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: last time we did it and they go, that's a

866
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: series wrap. Yeah, a series wrap on heart break high.

867
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: We all burst into tears. It was just yeah, I'm like,

868
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna forget that. And then we had to

869
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: We got home to our hotel, we had like three

870
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: hours of sleep and then we had to go to

871
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: Actor Awards in Queensland the next morning. It was just

872
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: it was hectic, but yeah, it was really beautiful. I'll

873
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: never forget that, and like, I'm always going to have

874
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: those people in my life.

875
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: Well, and they're going to have you in their lives.

876
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: Ye, because you're not going anywhere. I hope you know

877
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 3: noway that I don't think you can be seen and

878
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: now that you're a married lady.

879
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible, isn't it. Thanks.

880
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: I mean I find it incredible because I find the

881
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: story of your first date incredible. I find that what

882
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: it was on the apps you met Dylan who's now

883
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: your husband on the apps.

884
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 1: Yes, it was during COVID and I will put on

885
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: the record, I have never been a Tinder person. I

886
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: was never I was never someone that was on dating

887
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,479
Speaker 1: apps because I didn't care for men very much.

888
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: I just didn't want to date.

889
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: And me and my sister both were like, let's just

890
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: do it for a laugh, like we're bored, we can't

891
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: leave the house. And then I think I met Dylan

892
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: on like the first day, and we started talking. I went, ah,

893
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: damn it, like I actually really like this one that

894
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: wasn't meant to happen.

895
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 3: And what did you see.

896
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: On your profile?

897
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 3: Like what did you put?

898
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: My God?

899
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: But I think I actually don't remember what it was.

900
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: I think animals.

901
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: I think one of the first pictures was a photo

902
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: of me at a festival, I think, and I think

903
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: that's what Dylan mentioned. I'm like looking over him, now,

904
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: give me any any details. I think it was a picture.

905
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: What was it? Come over here for a sec.

906
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: You will know, you will know, you will remember all

907
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: too vividly. Come talking to these he.

908
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: Come, because there's no way you don't remember.

909
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 4: No, that was definitely one of them. Clothes wearing a

910
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 4: she had like this rainbow, colorful, glitterly like festival fit

911
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 4: on right, huge smile. And then in another photos I

912
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: thought she was with a family member and that was that.

913
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: Again there was smiling, but everyone's just got the biggest smile.

914
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: And what did she said anything about herself? Or were

915
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 3: you just captured by the Rave Girl festival round?

916
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 2: Exactly what you said? But she was funny, Dylan, bye bye?

917
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: And then so you knew, which.

918
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Is that's incredible.

919
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: You know what's even crazier is I this is so embarrassing.

920
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: This is like year seven love story. But we're married now,

921
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: so it's okay. I think we said I love you

922
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: after day three? Like it like it, like said it

923
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: for Dylan?

924
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: Did he yeah?

925
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 3: And we could have blurted it out.

926
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 2: I could have didn't, but I didn't. He sent it

927
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 2: over a voice note on Instagram?

928
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: And wait did he mean yeah?

929
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: Because it was a voice like you intentionally press that

930
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: button and.

931
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: Then intentionally send it. I'm not sure if that's brave

932
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: or chicken to do it that way?

933
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: Will you being brave or scared?

934
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 4: I don't think it came out the way that I

935
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: intended it to. It wasn't meant to be like I

936
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 4: love you. It's like I love.

937
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 3: You and a right yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

938
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: yeah yeah no, but that's yeah.

939
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is like if you think

940
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: that's crazy, what's even more like this is how I've

941
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: never been the sort of person that was going to

942
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: date just to date.

943
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: That's always been to me, silly.

944
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to open up my heart to someone

945
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: knowing that I'm not going to be with them forever.

946
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: That's always been a concept that just didn't make sense

947
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:43,959
Speaker 1: to me. Like, I've always been the sort of person

948
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: that like, if i'm if i'm dating, my intention is

949
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: to be with you forever, but how do you know

950
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: to well, I'm also not like I'm also this, which

951
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: sounds ridiculous because of how we met and how we

952
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: started talking.

953
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: But I've also never been the sort of person.

954
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: That's like, oh, like I I find you attractive, let's

955
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: date and see where it goes. Like I want to

956
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 1: be your friend for like ages first, like I want

957
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: to get to know you. I'm not going to commit

958
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: to you until I'm like this is someone that I

959
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: genuinely really love spending time with.

960
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: Right, And yet Dylan and I started dating like immediately,

961
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 2: But I don't know. I think when you know you

962
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 2: know what.

963
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 3: Was it about Dylan that one of.

964
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 2: The first things.

965
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: So we started dating, oh, started talking and pretty much

966
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: became exclusive during COVID when Dill was in Melbourne, so

967
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: like the Ring of Steel was happening, so there was

968
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: literal army bases stopping people from living and I was

969
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 1: in the country, so there was no way of us meeting.

970
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: And so our first few dates were over zoom and

971
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: the first date that we did was a like a

972
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: game night, like we both like zoomed each other and

973
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: then like shared our screens I think, and did like

974
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, like board games on.

975
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: The internet, right, And I.

976
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Just felt so safe with him, Like I never felt pressured,

977
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: I never felt scared, Like men have always been really

978
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: scary to me. I'd never felt scared by him, and

979
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: I've always I've always felt really nervous about sharing.

980
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: The whole parts of myself.

981
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I've always had a mask on myself when I meet

982
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: new people, I've put the mask on that I think

983
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: they want to see. And bit by bit I kind

984
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: of dropped that mask around him. And I think one

985
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: of the first like.

986
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,359
Speaker 3: What was the mask that you thought he wanted to say?

987
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: I think I was just I was trying to be.

988
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: In hindsight, I shouldn't have done this, and I very

989
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: much tell women to not do this, but I was.

990
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: I was very quiet, and I was very polite, and

991
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: I was very like, I don't want I don't want

992
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: to make a scene or anything like that.

993
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,919
Speaker 2: And I remember, like one of the first kind of like.

994
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: Autismy bits of myself I dropped was that I'm obsessed

995
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: with Titanic. And so the next date night that Dill

996
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: planned was a quiz that was like full Titanic theme,

997
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: and he dressed up for it. I remember going, OK,

998
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: this is a good one.

999
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 3: What was he He wasn't the Iceberg?

1000
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: No, he just had like that like he had he

1001
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: was wearing clothing from that time period, and that was.

1002
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: How did he do that?

1003
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: He he had this whole PowerPoint show, like this whole

1004
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: PowerPoint presentation and did like a.

1005
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: Full like quiz.

1006
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: And like He's just always shown me that the parts

1007
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 1: of myself that I thought that other people didn't want

1008
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: to see or that I thought other people would find

1009
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: cringey are the parts that he loves the most. And

1010
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: I think that's so important in a partner. Is everything absolutely,

1011
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: and like especially when you're autistic.

1012
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 3: What bits, by the way, did you think, was there

1013
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 3: like a moment where you went, Oh, this is it,

1014
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: I've done it, I've cooked it.

1015
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: They were there a lot of bits that I don't

1016
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: remember specifically, do you know what? And I think, I

1017
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: think this is actually quite showcasing of the sort of

1018
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: person that he is. But I actually don't remember specifically

1019
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: any bits that I went, oh, my.

1020
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: God, I've cooked it.

1021
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: But I remember my reaction to feeling like I've cooked sea.

1022
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: And every single time I apologize for being a burden,

1023
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,440
Speaker 1: he wouldout fail before I could even finish the sentence

1024
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'm so sorry, I'm such a burden. He

1025
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: would say, You're not a burden, You're a privilege. And

1026
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: he would say that every single time, to the point

1027
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: where I don't feel like a burden anymore. And I

1028
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: think that's what a good relationship is supposed to be.

1029
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's beautiful.

1030
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, your wedding was so exquisite and behind the scenes

1031
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: glimpse behind the scenes that Bray who's our producer of

1032
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 3: this pod, was at your wedding and she did a

1033
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: story for Marie Claire.

1034
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful. It was the most perfect wedding of.

1035
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Tree family, stunning dress, thank you, handsome groom.

1036
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: Uh huh, the embroidery on your dress.

1037
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I love that idea. Thank you, which were phrases

1038
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 3: that were significant.

1039
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were all Disney quotes from our favorite Disney films,

1040
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: because that's one of the first things that we like

1041
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: connected over with Disney. But yeah, the whole wedding was

1042
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: so lovely. I hate weddings. I hate weddings. I don't

1043
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: want to be a guest.

1044
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 2: At your wedding.

1045
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 1: I like, I hate weddings. They're boring, the food is disgusting.

1046
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm sat at a table with people I don't know,

1047
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: and I have to make small talk for hours, Like,

1048
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy weddings. And then the other thing as

1049
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: well that made me not enjoy the idea of weddings

1050
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: is when I got engaged, every single woman in my

1051
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: life was like, it's the biggest day of your life.

1052
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: It's the biggest day of your life.

1053
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: And I what I heard when they said that was so,

1054
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: you're telling me it's all downhill from here, right?

1055
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 2: I hate that was terrified eyeing.

1056
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:07,399
Speaker 1: And so for our wedding, we we had vegan food

1057
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: trucks everywhere. We didn't have a sit I'm vegan, but

1058
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: I don't cook, so Dylan's vegan by proxy, right, Okay,

1059
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, we had like vegan food trucks and we

1060
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: didn't have a sit down table. We had like like

1061
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: bean bags and like tables and stuff people to go

1062
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: and stand if they wanted to.

1063
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 2: But it was like just going to do what you wanted.

1064
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1065
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we had game setup and we had like and

1066
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: I just wanted it to feel like a big party

1067
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: because the other thing as well that I've always found

1068
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: really strange about weddings is how.

1069
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: People are like, oh, like, this is you committing to them?

1070
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: Like I committed to Dylan the day that I met him.

1071
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: It's always been weird to me that it's like you're

1072
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: free until you say I do it. That's weird, Like

1073
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: I don't think you should get married if that's your idea.

1074
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 3: Of Sure, what it was that you do it in

1075
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: front of family and friends as kind of a different

1076
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: ring of steel around you. Yeah, I thought it was that.

1077
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,959
Speaker 2: See. Even with that, I'm like, there already was a ring.

1078
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Like my dad.

1079
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: The day that Dylan came to my house, which we

1080
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: weren't even like technically dating. Yeah, the first day that

1081
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 1: Dylan like actually came to my house, it was the

1082
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: first time we met, and he came to my house

1083
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: because he knew that would be safe for me if

1084
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: it was in an environment that I was comfortable.

1085
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: With my dad.

1086
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: The first thing you said to him is if you

1087
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: ever hurt my daughterroom going to take you knee cups

1088
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: off you. Like that ring of steel was like solidified

1089
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: before we even like technically started dating.

1090
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 2: Like, so even with that, I.

1091
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: Was like, I'm like, I'm already committed to this man

1092
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: in every single way.

1093
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 2: How did you happen by that?

1094
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 3: How was that? Dylan Surris? Yeah surprising.

1095
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I'm already committed to this man in every

1096
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: way you can be. Like, So, the way that we

1097
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: all saw the wedding was just a big party with

1098
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: music that we got to choose, and food that we

1099
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: got to choose.

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Speaker 2: And everyone and people we got to choose.

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Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, that's that's what a wedding was

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Speaker 1: to us, Like it was just a big party. And

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Speaker 1: I found kittens. We found four kittens on our wedding day.

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Speaker 2: Oh and we kept all of them.

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Speaker 1: Really, I was actually late to the aisle because I

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Speaker 1: was on my hands and knees with the under under

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Speaker 1: a shed.

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Speaker 2: I was on my hands. Did she found them?

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Speaker 1: So I heard them my sister, So like we got

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Speaker 1: married on a farm, and we stayed on the farm

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Speaker 1: the night before and my sister was out doing something

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Speaker 1: and saw these kittens. She ran just like Chloe, this kittens.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, call the wedding off. We have

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Speaker 1: to find these kittens. And so we went out and

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Speaker 1: we got married very close to my family home, and

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Speaker 1: so I got my mom to run home and I

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Speaker 1: was like, get tuna, get a bag of whiskers, get water,

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Speaker 1: get a cat carra, like I need the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And so we were all set up prepared to catch

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Speaker 1: these kittens, and they just disappeared because obviously there was

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Speaker 1: lots of noise and lots of people and they were very,

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Speaker 1: very terrified. But I was like determined that these kittens

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Speaker 1: were coming home with me. And so I was on

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Speaker 1: my hand on the honeymoon. Yes, I was like, these

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Speaker 1: are my children, Like congratulations, we've adopted four kids kids.

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Speaker 1: And so I was on my hands and knees the

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Speaker 1: morning of the wedding under a barn.

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Speaker 2: To try and get these kitten a beautiful dress. No,

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: I had my hair and makeup done and everything, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: ended up being late because I had to try and

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Speaker 1: catch his kittens.

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Speaker 2: We didn't catch them.

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Speaker 1: But then the day after, I was like, I was

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Speaker 1: distraught because I was like, I'd named them, I'd plans

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Speaker 1: a whole life with them, and then I couldn't find them.

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Speaker 1: And then as we were leaving, all four of them,

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Speaker 1: they were four weeks old, all four of them were

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Speaker 1: sitting around this little can of tuna, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Like, quick, get the kangaries, get everything, and we kept

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Speaker 2: all four of them. I've got two of my sisters

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Speaker 2: got to wow. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And so I feel like that's just I feel like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I feel like they're like Freyer goddess, Goddess Freya blessed

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Speaker 5: our marriage because in ancient mythology, Freyer was a goddess

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Speaker 5: who traditionally wipes would be gifted a great kitten on

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Speaker 5: their wedding day.

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Speaker 3: Was she like Norwegian?

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Speaker 2: She's yeah, no, thank you not Norwegian.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she and yeah, so we have we have

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Speaker 1: two female great kittens, and one of them is called Freya.

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Speaker 1: And then our two boys. But yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 1: Freya blessed our marriage that day. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: started well.

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Speaker 3: Chloe Hayden, I believe that you are blessed in many ways,

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Speaker 3: and some of them have been bestowed upon you, and

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Speaker 3: some of them you have gifted unto yourself, which is

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Speaker 3: just perfect. Really, I cannot thank you enough for sharing

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Speaker 3: yourself with us on No Filter and for your inner

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Speaker 3: an external beauty. Thank you, it's just lovely.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you Dylan for your cameo like

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Speaker 2: my cameo. Yes, exactly, that was Chloe Hayden.

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Speaker 3: Through her work, her advocacy, and her honesty, she's helped

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Speaker 3: change the conversation around autism for so many people. But

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Speaker 3: as we heard today, being the person everyone looks to

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Speaker 3: can come with its own pressure. Her story is a

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Speaker 3: reminder that representation matters, but so does allowing people the

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Speaker 3: space to simply be themselves, and she is herself. If

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Speaker 3: you want to see Chloe in the role that introduced

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Speaker 3: her to audiences around the world, you can catch her

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Speaker 3: as Quinnie in the third and final season of Heartbreak,

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Speaker 3: high streaming on Netflix from March twenty five. Thanks for

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Speaker 3: listening to No Filter. The executive producer of No Filter

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Speaker 3: is Breed Player. The assistant producer is Coco Levine. Audio

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Speaker 3: production by Jacob Brown and video editing by Josh Green.

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Speaker 3: This episode was recorded at Session in Progress. I am

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Speaker 3: Kate Lanebrook. I will see you next Monday.