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Speaker 1: This podcast is brought to you by We Are Lonely,

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Speaker 1: a podcast that's part of medibanks ten year commitment to

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Speaker 1: reduce chronic loneliness in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Even my patients say to me like, oh, you're so

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Speaker 2: good to train every morning, and I'm like, that's like

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Speaker 3: your life to make sure that you feel that way

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Speaker 2: As you can all of the time.

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Speaker 3: And then that's the journey and it's going to end

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the C's the YA Podcast. Busy and happy

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Speaker 1: are not the same thing. We too rarely question what

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Speaker 1: makes the heart seeing we work, then we rest, but

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Speaker 1: rarely we play and often don't realize there's more than

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Speaker 1: one way. So this is a platform to hear and

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Speaker 1: explore the stories of those who found lives.

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Speaker 4: They adore the good, bad and ugly.

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Speaker 1: The best and worst day will bear all the facets

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Speaker 1: of seizing your Yea. I'm Sarah Davidson or a spoonful

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Speaker 1: of Sarah, a lawyer turned funentrepreneur who swapped the suits

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Speaker 1: and heels to co found Matcha Maiden and matcha Milk Bar.

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Speaker 1: CESA is a series of conversations on finding a life

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Speaker 1: you love and exploring the self doubt, challenge, joy and

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Speaker 4: Lovely Neighborhood. I know, I get excited about every.

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Speaker 1: Single guest we're lucky to have on this show, but

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Speaker 1: these weeks is particularly special.

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Speaker 4: For so many reasons.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've all had Matilda's Fever this year and

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Speaker 1: for so many of us wll before this year.

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Speaker 4: Secondly, before we even get to the.

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Speaker 1: Tillies part of this guest's journey, it is absolutely jam packed,

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Speaker 1: so incredible, such an amazing path yay that I know

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Speaker 1: you guys will find so interesting. Thirdly, she's basically Angre's

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Speaker 1: ultimate idol, as you will hear so. Ange actually joined

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Speaker 1: in on this interview, which I think is a first

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Speaker 1: any other interviews, and we are so grateful that she

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Speaker 1: said yes to the neighborhood because this is genuinely one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite episodes in a really long time. Every

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Speaker 1: like this is one of those. In fact, we enjoyed

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Speaker 1: it so much and it was so jam packed with

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Speaker 1: pearls of wisdom that we not only went longer than

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Speaker 1: our usual hour, we're also coming back for part two

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Speaker 1: because there's so much more that we wanted to cover.

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Speaker 1: I can't quite believe we're saying this, but we are

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to welcome to CZA the Matilda's Team, doctor

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Speaker 1: Doctor Brandy Cole. She tells the story best herself, so

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Speaker 1: I won't go on too long in this intro, although

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Speaker 1: just quickly. There are few things that doctor Brandy hasn't

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Speaker 1: excelled in in her life. Earlier on, she began as

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Speaker 1: self life saving. She then did her undergrade and physio

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Speaker 1: Exercise Physicians in twenty nineteen. During that time, Doctor Brandy

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Speaker 1: And all this was before she became the team doctor

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Speaker 1: I could clearly rave on about this guest four hours,

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Speaker 2: Thank you thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I am so so excited about this one, not just

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Speaker 2: Know, you have to compete with my kids. I don't

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Speaker 5: Sarah knows, but I'm a bit I'm a bit swimming

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Speaker 1: But she has been gunning for this for a very

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Speaker 1: long time. And the celebrations when you said yes, you

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Speaker 1: So, as we just mentioned offline, we sort of feel,

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Speaker 4: See, you would call yourself just an average person.

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Speaker 1: So I would love to well, And do you want

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Speaker 1: Like at school, you know, what were your first jobs?

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Speaker 4: Unique ballance oh undred percent. And that's what we talk

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Speaker 1: And I think we probably have that same like had

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Speaker 3: Not for everyone, but I was at school and that's

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Speaker 3: which was not a great thing, but that was kind

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Speaker 3: of like my outlet of relaxing, because then after school

444
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,600
Speaker 3: I would train for a couple of hours and then

445
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 3: I would study until my parents would be telling me

446
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:25,879
Speaker 3: you need to go to bed like. So it was

447
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,560
Speaker 3: very opposite to what most people would think of an

448
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 3: upbringing in terms of I was never forced to do anything.

449
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,280
Speaker 2: And when I say forced like, I was never suggested, oh,

450
00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,080
Speaker 2: you need to study more like. I don't think anyone ever.

451
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 3: Said that to me in my whole life, because you know,

452
00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 3: like a lot of people, I was my biggest critic,

453
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,919
Speaker 3: and I was so driven to do well that I

454
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Speaker 3: would just use every little bit of spare time that.

455
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Speaker 2: I had to study. But I didn't have much spare time,

456
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:53,560
Speaker 2: so it worked well.

457
00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

458
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Speaker 1: I think something really interesting that's also come up really

459
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Speaker 1: early in this conversation, and which is why I love

460
00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,440
Speaker 1: going back to the beginning for people, is that you've

461
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,840
Speaker 1: already mentioned like the things that we do for survival,

462
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 1: but particularly as women, and I think it's where at

463
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Speaker 1: a really amazing turning point where now young girls who

464
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: are at school can actually envision that if they do

465
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: love sport, they could have a professional career where they

466
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: don't have to work full time. I mean, still some

467
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: female athletes have to work full time and do their

468
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 1: sport but there are you know leagues now there's the AFLW,

469
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: there's you know, the Tillities have been such an amazing

470
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Speaker 1: sort of sense of possibility for young sportswomen. But its

471
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,480
Speaker 1: young sports people everywhere whereas you know, not even that

472
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Speaker 1: long ago when you were at school doing touch and

473
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Speaker 1: hockey and beach print relays and then I love such

474
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Speaker 1: an overtime a former captain of the Australian women's OS

475
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 1: tag team, which you did for sixteen years, that you

476
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Speaker 1: know maybe one of the sort of survival mechanisms for

477
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Speaker 1: you at that time, was it thinking like did you

478
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Speaker 1: think that that was going to be your professional career

479
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: and was medicine kind of a oh well, I should

480
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: probably do something in case there wasn't a spot in

481
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: women's sport, Like how did that play through in your

482
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 1: mind in terms of I think we cut ourselves off

483
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Speaker 1: off and with our younger passions thinking oh well, you

484
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Speaker 1: know I can't do that professionally as a woman because

485
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: the leagues just aren't there, or you know, how did

486
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: that kind of play out for you back at that

487
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 1: time where you're sort of deciding what passions can become

488
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: a career and then it's like, but do I do

489
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Speaker 1: something sensible? Like, was that ever a decision for you?

490
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Speaker 2: I like the way that you put the word sensible

491
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 2: in there. That's certainly I'm never trying to do anything sensible.

492
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 2: So it was never that was never going to be

493
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 2: good thing.

494
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a really good point because I mean

495
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Speaker 3: I'm forty one now, so we're talking a long time ago.

496
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Speaker 1: You have to share your skincare routine also because you

497
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Speaker 1: do not look on.

498
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Speaker 4: It's all a sport, all the exercise.

499
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 2: No, I think it's maybe the.

500
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 4: Zoom she's got a filter on.

501
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: So, and when I was seventeen I started school. I

502
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 3: was seventeen when I finished school. So I mean, to me,

503
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 3: it was like my goals were always I never had

504
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 3: any career goals, and I wanted to play like you know,

505
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: as most young athletes, I wanted to go to the Olympics,

506
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,879
Speaker 3: and the Olympic sport that I was playing was hockey.

507
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: I would have had to stop all my other sports

508
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120
Speaker 3: to play that. I didn't want to. So as much

509
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 3: as I wanted to go to the Olympics, it wasn't

510
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 3: a big enough drive to not enjoy my life, Like I.

511
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: Will never do things that I don't.

512
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Speaker 3: Enjoy, Like I'll sacrifice a lot of things and in

513
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 3: the short term do it, but I won't change my direction.

514
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: Like I work in a very underpaid medical job compared

515
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 3: to other ones. I've been offered lots of jobs that

516
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 3: earn a lot more money, and I just know I'll

517
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 3: be miserable.

518
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 2: So, like, no amount of money could entice me to

519
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: do something that I don't love.

520
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: And so for me, sport was like a separate thing.

521
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: And then I had to do something. And I was

522
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 3: always going to go to UNI because that's just what

523
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 3: you do, right, Like I didn't know any other different.

524
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: It was just more about what was I going to

525
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 3: do at UNI. And I sort of thought I wanted

526
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 3: to work in sport because I love sport, but I

527
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 3: never thought of, like I don't even think it was

528
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: a posible ability to be a professional athlete in nineteen

529
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 3: ninety nine, I don't know.

530
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Speaker 2: That's when I did my HC.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what I mean, the fact that it wasn't

532
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 4: an option.

533
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was like, well, I want a job

534
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 2: in sports.

535
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: So in year ten, I think I first started thinking this,

536
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: and I actually my first thing was going to be

537
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 3: a sports journalist. English was my worst subject. I had

538
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: to work the hardest at that. It doesn't come naturally

539
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 3: to me.

540
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Speaker 4: I betually got like ninety seven instead of like I.

541
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: Topped it. I topped English, but I took I took

542
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Speaker 2: the so the normal one, not the advanced one.

543
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Speaker 4: Oh wow, she's a dug. I mean god, I had a.

544
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Speaker 2: Very very good English teacher. I will say that she

545
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: was brilliant, and it was a close call. I was

546
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: coming third all the way along to the end of

547
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Speaker 2: the end of the year, where I just managed to

548
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Speaker 2: come in. Okay.

549
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,919
Speaker 3: I spent I spent so many of my hours studying

550
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Speaker 3: English compared to everything else.

551
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Speaker 2: I mean, I did maths, physics, chemistry, PA and English.

552
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 2: And I reckon I did more in English than the

553
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Speaker 2: others because it was just not something that sat easily.

554
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: I've got a mass brain, so it's just it was hard.

555
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 2: But anyway, then I thought psychology. Ironically, I reckon. Most

556
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: of my job now is psychology, although I haven't officially

557
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: studied it. And then I got a.

558
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: Few injuries, so I started seeing a physio quite regularly,

559
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: and then I thought, oh, this is the job that

560
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 3: I should do. So I decided to put down physio

561
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: and even then, like I knew it was kind of

562
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: they worked with athletes, but I didn't really understand that

563
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: you could work for a national team or anything like

564
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: that like how it is now. It certainly wasn't prominent.

565
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: It was. I knew about it because me being a.

566
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 3: Child who did a lot of sport and had injuries

567
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 3: and saw my physio weekly, that was just something that

568
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 3: was interesting. I was just interested in the body and

569
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 3: how the body worked, I guess. And that's when Dad

570
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: said to me, I don't know where you got that info.

571
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: Where did you read that?

572
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, my first career was as a lawyer, so I'm like,

573
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: i'll research you within an interview life.

574
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 4: I've found some great stuff.

575
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: So I remember distinctly when you have to put your

576
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: preferences in for UNI, and I know, put physio down

577
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: at Sydney UNI.

578
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: And he said, oh, why.

579
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: Don't you do medicine Because he'd always wanted to be

580
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: a doctor. He said, so my grandma, his mum, like

581
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 3: definitely wanted to be a doctor.

582
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: She was a very very smart lady.

583
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: She was just you grew up in the sort of

584
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: post World War two era, and so she had to

585
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: leave school early to get a job to support her family,

586
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 3: so she ended up being a bookkeeper. Like I don't

587
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 3: think she went to UNI. She just lived in the

588
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: wrong time, I guess, and just didn't have the opportunities

589
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: that we have now. Like I just feel like, now

590
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: you can do whatever you want if you want to

591
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: work hard enough to do it. And so she wanted

592
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 3: to be a doctor and just didn't. And then my dad,

593
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what's because he was the only child

594
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: brought up by her that he thought he wanted to

595
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 3: be a doctor. But I was like, well, why didn't

596
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 3: you be a doctor because you went to UNI and

597
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 3: did science and then did a Bachelor of Education, Like

598
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 3: why didn't you do it? And he was like, I

599
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 3: don't even know to this day why he didn't do it.

600
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: I'm I'm not sure that he knows why, Like I

601
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 3: just remember this story. He always told me he wanted

602
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 3: to see his name in like brass letters or gold

603
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: letters on the door, Like that's you know.

604
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: The old schools.

605
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 4: Would you probably now have?

606
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 3: So well, I have to get that for my new practice.

607
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 3: I like, just to you know, finish off the dream.

608
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: So he said to me, why don't you do medicine,

609
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, why would I do medicine, Like,

610
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: that's just a bunch of geeks. They work in hospitals

611
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: with sick people like ill, I want to sly. That

612
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: was my thought, and I was like that was the

613
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: only time it was mentioned. I never crossed my mind

614
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: like up to that point. And so I went through

615
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,719
Speaker 2: physio and I really enjoyed it. I played a lot

616
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: of sport. I mean UNI games, if you know, you

617
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: know wild Actually I think that you games probably prepared

618
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: me the most for the World Cup out of anything

619
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 2: that could possibly have prepared me for just that whole

620
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: like six games a touch a day. You go out

621
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 2: all night, you have an hour sleep, and then you

622
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: get up and do it again.

623
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 4: That UNI like not just metabolism, but stamina. We used

624
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 4: to have what.

625
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, what yeah, I know, why did that go?

626
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,159
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like I still have that sometimes

627
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 3: and then I just crash and burn for a couple

628
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 3: of weeks.

629
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Speaker 4: Afterwards, I had like a few months and then I

630
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 4: go out again the year later.

631
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: So I was going through physio and because I was

632
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: so horrified about hospitals, as you know, and you've got

633
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 3: to do a lot of and a lot of them

634
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: are in hospitals, so I kind of put it all

635
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: off to the last year.

636
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: So then in the last year, I had the intensive

637
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: care rotation.

638
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 3: I had to do all of the like the acute

639
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 3: medical rotations in the hospital, and I actually really enjoyed it.

640
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed intensive care because I love physiology and

641
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: you could just like play with the machines, something could

642
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 3: change in the patient.

643
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: So that was sort of eye opening for me.

644
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 3: And then I went to a Woolen bike you had

645
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 3: to do a real placement and I was in the

646
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: out patients there and they offered me to go in

647
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 3: and watch surgery and so I was like, yeah, I'll

648
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 3: do that, and I was literally in there, like every

649
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 3: time they offered I was in theater.

650
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: So they thought I was the medical student. I can't know,

651
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: I'm the physio student.

652
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 3: My she's just fascinating, just like watching orthobedic surgery. It

653
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: was around about the time that there was a show

654
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: on TV called RPA based at RPA Hospital in Sydney

655
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: and Professor Chrus O'Brien who has since passed away of

656
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: a brain tumor, which is very very sad because you know,

657
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: He's probably one of my early I mean, I can't

658
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: say mentally and I met him, but inspirations into medicine

659
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 3: because I just loved the kind of doctor that he

660
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: was on this show. And I am that old that

661
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 3: it wasn't TV that you could just watch on demand,

662
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: so you had to watch the show when it was

663
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: on with the ass and yeah, exactly, but I just

664
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 3: remember it was the one show that I would stop

665
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: everything to watch and no one was like to talk

666
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,479
Speaker 3: to me through it because I was just really interested

667
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 3: in the cases and the medical side of it. And

668
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 3: then when I was on that prack going into theater

669
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 3: all the time, I was actually living with it, like

670
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 3: staying with a med student, so I was asking her

671
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 3: about what it was like to do medicine, and.

672
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: I remember thinking at the time, but how do you

673
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: remember all the drugs?

674
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 3: Like how could you possibly know what medication to prescribe?

675
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 3: Because like you have to know them all, which is just.

676
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: Such a weird thing to be worried about, and the

677
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: whole realm of being a.

678
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 4: Doctor, not like operating on people all the way my.

679
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: Brain works, like I just don't know if I'll know

680
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: what medication to get.

681
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: So then I started to be like, oh, maybe I

682
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 3: am interested in looking into this. And also at the time,

683
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: I was sort of reevaluating my physio, who I was

684
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: still seeing as a physio, looking at his lifestyle and

685
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 3: just going, I don't know if I want that, Like.

686
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 2: You're so good. I want to be exactly like he

687
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: as a physio, but I just don't want to be

688
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: in a clinic from seven till seven, you know, day

689
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: and day out, and certainly that's not what you do.

690
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: As a physio and what you have to do. But

691
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: that was kind of my idea of where I wanted

692
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: to go. I wanted to be. I didn't even still

693
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 3: think that you could work for sporting teams. I just

694
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 3: thought you worked in private practice and then you just

695
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: went to you know, worked with athletes and things like that.

696
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: But so that's when I decided to maybe inquire into

697
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: how to do medicine. And then I was thinking, am

698
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 3: I is that a failure because I've done physio and.

699
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: Then I'm not going to use it.

700
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: Was doing medicine and a PhD like a failure? Is

701
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: that like a backward step?

702
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's all these things are so silly now,

703
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: but they obviously were very profound thoughts because I remember

704
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: them still when it was such a long time ago.

705
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, well, I.

706
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 3: Guess like maybe one day, like I'll make some use

707
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 3: of the physio degree so it won't be just such

708
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: a waste of doing it.

709
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: Maybe because that had already mentioned to me to.

710
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: Do medicine, so maybe I thought like it was sort

711
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: of a oh well, you were right, and I was wrong,

712
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: but like definitely not in any way, because like it

713
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: was just so much better than physio first, for so

714
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: many reasons, most of which were because I wasn't really

715
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 3: there at UNI very often, and I don't think I

716
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: was ready at seventeen to do like a medical degree

717
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,959
Speaker 3: and an undergrad medical degree. I think it's so much

718
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 3: better doing at postgraduate. So you have to like study

719
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 3: for exams. It's called the gam set, might not be

720
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 3: called that anymore. I don't know, big exam to get

721
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: into medicine, and like most of it's not medical, it's

722
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: not science.

723
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: There's a bit of science. Funnily enough, the hardest bit

724
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: is like this comprehension thing, so back to English. So

725
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 2: it was like these little like.

726
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Passages and then they would ask you a question on

727
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: it right, and it was like interpretation of like it

728
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: was like literally a private school comprehension, but just really

729
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: really super hard. And so to study for that, I

730
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: had to just read a dictionary because the problem.

731
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Was that I didn't My vocabulary is so limited that

732
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know half the words. So I'm like, if

733
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what the words.

734
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: I mean, how could I possibly answer the questions? So

735
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: I just went down. My boyfriend at the time live

736
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 3: in Bronti. So I went to Bronti Beach and lay

737
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: on the beach and read the ditionary like as in

738
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: every I did practice.

739
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: Exams, you are such a cool girl, like wow, So

740
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: imagine walking past someone upron to you and being like,

741
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: is that a dictionary open?

742
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: You? Imagine walking past someone reading that. We're like, oh

743
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: my god.

744
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: Well, and that was kind of boring and I'd really

745
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: lose my pretty quickly. So so I bought the practice

746
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: exams and I just literally do them. And then every

747
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: time I got to a word that I didn't know

748
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 3: what it meant, I'd then get the dictionary out, read

749
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: the dictionary and then like kind of paraphrase in my

750
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: own words what I thought the word meant, and.

751
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: So by the time I did that, it was very

752
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: easy to answer the question, Like so the question worked hard.

753
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: It was just that I didn't know that.

754
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: And and this is the thing, like my dad was

755
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 3: always very good at I think English must have been

756
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 3: his strong point.

757
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: Is very well spoken.

758
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 3: And I mean I probably shouldn't say this, but he

759
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 3: did help me write my sociology essays.

760
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: For physiotherapy because of all these weird subjects. I don't

761
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: know if you we had to do so many strange subjects,

762
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: like I had to write an essay on the Karl Marx.

763
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I still don't know who Carl Marx is

764
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 3: now because Dad probably did more of the work than

765
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: I did. But I mean that is totally relevant to

766
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: what I need to do now. But I think it's

767
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: the idea is to make you more well rounded human,

768
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: although all I did was focus on the science stuff

769
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: and just went like, I just need to know what

770
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: I need to know about the body. And yeah, So

771
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: I mean, so I got into got into medicine, reading

772
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: the dictionary paid off.

773
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: It's got true.

774
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: And so I love that any potential medical students out

775
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: there are now going to go grab their dictionaries and

776
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: fel like starting for the.

777
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 4: Guns out what doctor Brandy said to do.

778
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: Essentially, you just bought past exams and just practice them,

779
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: practice them, practice them over and over again.

780
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 2: I didn't do any of the courses. I didn't. I

781
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: don't know.

782
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 3: I'm a bit of a like, like, you know, I

783
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: go against the system a little bit. If someone tells

784
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 3: you you won't possibly pass this exam without doing this course,

785
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, you just watch me do this.

786
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 4: I'm not going to do that course then, because I just.

787
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: Feel like like that's a someone's created a course. They

788
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: charge the money. It's great that it got them, but.

789
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: Like you shouldn't have to do it to be able

790
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: to get through, Like you should be able to get

791
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 3: through on your own in you know, with limited budget

792
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, if you want to. So that

793
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: was kind of the way that I went there. So

794
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: then yeah, I started a media degree. So it's another

795
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 3: four years. So four years for physio. That took a

796
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: year doing the gam set and I was still doing

797
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: all my sport, and then another four years doing medicine,

798
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: which I'm so glad that I did postgraduate because I

799
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: just feel like you have to have a little bit

800
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: of life experience, and people picked up on that a lot,

801
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: Like every time I did an exam, they would ask

802
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: me what my first degree was, because you could do anything,

803
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 3: like there was people that were accountants or engineers or anything,

804
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: so it would have been a lot harder for them

805
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: without the science or such a closely linked degree, and

806
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 3: especially in my practical exams. Obviously having worked with people,

807
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: and I worked as a physio in that year. I

808
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: worked at the practice, was a patient at, and then

809
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: also I set up my own little physio practice in

810
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: my parents' house because it was easier for would have

811
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: just to come and see me because I was studying

812
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: for medicine, and so kind of did that and I

813
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: cheated a lot of I loved tutoring. I love teaching,

814
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: so I tutored like high school science and maths all

815
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 3: the way through my medical degree, which meant I probably

816
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: didn't study as much as I should have because I

817
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 3: was doing that.

818
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 4: I just love that you're never doing thing.

819
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: There's always like eighty five projects and you are excelling

820
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: in all of them.

821
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 3: I actually worked out that year that it took the

822
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: year between the two degrees. I did have a little

823
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: bit of downtime.

824
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 4: For like a weekend.

825
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: Well it was probably like a couple of weeks, and

826
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: honestly almost got quite fatigued, Like I didn't know, Like

827
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 2: I just remember one day laying in my bed looking

828
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: outside it was a beautiful day and not just having any.

829
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: Capacity to get up and just go to the beach,

830
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: which I could have, and just thinking what is wrong

831
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: with me?

832
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 4: And so I have I think I've pushed it.

833
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: You probably need to get my husband on this episode

834
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 3: in his podcast next to get his point of view, because.

835
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: The other side of the story, he kind of.

836
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 3: Makes it like he knows what I'm like, but he's

837
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 3: just like, oh, that's just Brandy, She's just odd. So yeah,

838
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: I do have to have this level of busyness that's

839
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 3: kind of like is a really good level, and then

840
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: if I'm too busy it gets stressful, and if I'm

841
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 3: not busy enough, it is no good, Like it's just

842
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: not good at all.

843
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: We're very similar to you, and we both have this

844
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: thing called play, which is help backwards. And people on

845
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: the podcast have heard us talk about this before. We

846
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: love this optimal functioning level and then we every now

847
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: and then push the boundaries and we'll just go into

848
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: this black hole of death where like you can't things

849
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: that you will normally celebrate about, no fear you just

850
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: you've cooked yourself really and like only each other will understand.

851
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: It's like, just don't talk to me. I'm play like

852
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: that's the code word. And then we'll just give each

853
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,959
Speaker 1: other like three days yeah, and then like and then yeah,

854
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: and then you know that in like three or four

855
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: days you'll be back. But it's all that self awareness

856
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: of where your like optimum level is.

857
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 3: But see, to me, that's like that just makes sense.

858
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: And I know I've tipped that balance a lot of

859
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: the time. I recognize it and that's normal. But to me,

860
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: it's that the other way that I find really strange,

861
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: Like if.

862
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 2: I'm doing less, why am I worse?

863
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: Holidays are a disaster for me if I don't do

864
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: activity and lucky that I surround myself with people who

865
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: get that, and people are.

866
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 2: Like, just chill. I'm like, what do you mean? Chill?

867
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't even understand what.

868
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 4: Che what does that mean? She gets a dictionary out, Chill.

869
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: I'll slip into a depression if I don't have a

870
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: to do, and then I can't sleep. I just I can't.

871
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: I'm just awful, Like I'm just Yeah, there's one holiday

872
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: in my life that I was like that, and yeah,

873
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: that's why I said you need to speak to my

874
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 3: husband about it, because.

875
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: He was like, oh the other way.

876
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: That's like the beauty of like this is what The

877
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: one thing that we try and really hammer home in

878
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: this show is that everyone's ultimate joy or yay, like

879
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: your life that's the most fulfilling and the most happy

880
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: is meant to look completely different to other people. So

881
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: like the trick of life is not emulating what other.

882
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: Successful people do or what other happy people do.

883
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: It's like looking at the real time data that you

884
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,479
Speaker 1: get of what makes you feel good and what makes

885
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: you feel shit and sticking with it, like figuring out,

886
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: are you someone who likes to be operating at this

887
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: higher level or are you someone who likes to sloth

888
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: on holiday and like, don't do anything other than what

889
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: you know is right for you just because other people

890
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: do their holidays like that. I think like part of

891
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: the happiest people around you are the people who just

892
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: stop listening to what everyone else is doing and do

893
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: what they know works for them.

894
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

895
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's like people still say to me, like how

896
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 3: often do you train? And say, I train every morning

897
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: and then if my body needs a break, I have

898
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: a day off. And generally that's about once every ten days.

899
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: That's so specific you open with that, and I was like, wow,

900
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: well I know because.

901
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: I know that, Like that's generally, so sometimes I have

902
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: to have the break because of life circumstance, so I

903
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 3: don't get to the ten days. But if I've got

904
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: to the ten days, I get to the point where

905
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I need the break, and so I'll

906
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: just go for a walk and seat or something.

907
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just run a marathon instead, like it's a

908
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: chill day.

909
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: My patients say to me like, oh, you're so good

910
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 2: to train every morning, and I'm like, that's like saying

911
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: to my husband, you're so good to have a coffee

912
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: every morning. Like it's not a sort of like it's

913
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: just like I know.

914
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I some days I wake up and I

915
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: don't feel like it, but I know the consequence mentally

916
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: of not doing that, and I know how much it

917
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 3: makes me feel better, and I actually do enjoy it obviously,

918
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: like I'm not I don't think I could do it

919
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: as consistently if I didn't like it, Like, you've got

920
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: to definitely find what you like doing.

921
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 2: But to me, it's like it's not even a decision process.

922
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 3: It's just like that's what I do to start my

923
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 3: day because I know that that makes me feel the best.

924
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 3: And so on holidays, it's not like, oh, so why

925
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 3: are you training so much with your holidays?

926
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 2: Like I'm going to train more because I've got more time,

927
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Like I got three We're going to book the accommodation

928
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 2: with the gym downstairs close to a running track.

929
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: Bike's on higher and we'll book her into the local store.

930
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: The hockey pitch next door. We've got the OS tag

931
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: team training over there.

932
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 2: How are you making a joke of it? It's actually

933
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: like that's exactly what I like.

934
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: Where where is that?

935
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: But also coming back to you know, finding kind of

936
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: like your pathway and the thing that makes you happy

937
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: is one thing I think is really interesting and this

938
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: is very very timely for and before we get to

939
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: the Tibli's chapter, is that going into physio and then

940
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: even going into medicine like a whole nother degree, which

941
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: is a really big time investment. You didn't necessarily know

942
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: what you were going into it for. And I think

943
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: that's something that maybe the younger generations now they're very

944
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: instant atuity focus. They're like, I'm not investing four years

945
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: in my life unless I know that it's to become

946
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: a surgeon, or I know that it's to become the

947
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: coach the doctor for the Tillies. Like I think it's

948
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: important to remember people go into things without knowing the

949
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: end goal, but it's still a worthy, like decision to

950
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: do something because that's the next chapter. And Angie's kind

951
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: of more now at that stage where you know she's

952
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: finished physio and I'd love you to jump in, but

953
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 1: like there's so many infinite possibilities of what you can

954
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: do with that, and it's okay to not know right now,

955
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Like you didn't know that the Tillies was coming at

956
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: the end of all this, Like at this time you

957
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: do now in hindsight, but like a long way along

958
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: people's pathways, they don't know what all of this is for,

959
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: and that's okay.

960
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean I didn't know what I

961
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 2: wanted to do at seventeen, and then I don't think

962
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: anyone really does, Like how on earth should you know that,

963
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: and then when I went into medicine. It's interesting because

964
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 2: I went into it to go away from sports.

965
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: So like when I went into it, it was because I

966
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: found so much joy in learning about the body and

967
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: like helping people. So they're the two things that make

968
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 3: me joyful. Love the body and how it works, and

969
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: I love helping people, like I'm just here. I'm just

970
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 3: put on this earth to help people. And so that

971
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: was just like you could combine those I was going

972
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: away from sport and the whole time that I was

973
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 3: in medicine, I just loved like the trauma, the drama,

974
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 3: the emergency.

975
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: Intensive care, Like I wanted to work in intensive care,

976
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 2: but I figured out I was terrible at shiftwork, Like

977
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: I was just living my best life at work, and

978
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: the rest of my time I was just jet lagged

979
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: at home. So I was like, I don't know if

980
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: I can do a job where you flip from day

981
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: to night to day to night like every week. And

982
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: then so I thought I was going to be an

983
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: emergency physician, so working in the emergency.

984
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: Department and literally up to like I finished everything I

985
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 3: did in med school and then all my subjects that

986
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: I chose as an intern, and everything was leading to

987
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: that path.

988
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: My first day as an intern in.

989
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 3: Emergency department, like, I absolutely hated it.

990
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: It was like because when you work.

991
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 3: In emergency, Like another thing that I hasn't all said

992
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: about me is that I'm a box ticker.

993
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 2: So I just love to tick box all.

994
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: The same same gal, my LinkedIn is ridiculous.

995
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: It's just they're virtual boxes, like they're in my head.

996
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: I never write anything down, and so like in emergency

997
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 3: you never get to the end because you work for time,

998
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 3: not to kind of achieve. I mean you're achieving a

999
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: lot of things, but like that's the way my brain works.

1000
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: So I do CrossFit as a training method, and I

1001
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 3: hate what's called an am rap, So as many reps

1002
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: as possible at a certa amount of time, there's.

1003
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: No point, Like what is the point of going harder

1004
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: when just stay? If I had to stand here, the

1005
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 2: clock will tick over anyway and the end will come.

1006
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 3: So why would I work harder when the end's going

1007
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 3: to come anyway? Whereas if it's like, okay, do this

1008
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 3: many wraps, like you've got to do this, this and this,

1009
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: I'll just go as hard as I can because then

1010
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 3: it's over. Quicker, so there's a reward for my pain.

1011
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: And so in the emergency I had no reward because

1012
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 3: if I worked harder, then I was just working harder.

1013
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 3: But that list never got short up because people just

1014
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: kept coming in the door, and so I.

1015
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: Really struggled with that. So therefore I just kept looking

1016
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 2: at the clock and I was like, what three minutes

1017
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: has gone by, I've still got like seven hours and

1018
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: fifty seven minutes I left in my shift. And so

1019
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 2: I just really struggled there. And then also as a

1020
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: medical student, you.

1021
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: Just get to follow all the good trauma and as

1022
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: a doctor you have to see what's come and so.

1023
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 4: You have to take the shit bit.

1024
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, the.

1025
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: Really of the job isn't the same. So I sort

1026
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: of was a bit like disillusioned by that. And so

1027
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: then I spent the next three years of you've got

1028
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 3: to rotate around in Australia, so you've got to just

1029
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: change all the jobs. And I found that my niche

1030
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 3: was being a really good pa for the doctors and like,

1031
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 3: so when you work in the hospital system, it's funny

1032
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 3: you're like, on the day there's so many senior doctors.

1033
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: You're in a team, so basically just take the notes

1034
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: and do the discharge summarison. If you're super organized, which

1035
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 3: is one of my skills, then you know everyone loves

1036
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: you and so it's great. And so you have plenty

1037
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: of time for coffee in your shift and then you

1038
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: just have your pager and you just run back when

1039
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:35,439
Speaker 3: you get called.

1040
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 2: So I just that life was for me. But then

1041
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't learning any medicine really.

1042
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 3: And then you get put in charge of half the

1043
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: hospital in the evening and overnight and suddenly you're the

1044
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 3: doctor for like five hundred sick people and you cannot.

1045
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: Like it was just awful.

1046
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: So the difference between the day job and then the

1047
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 3: night I just it was just a biggest, like the

1048
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: hardest day of my life by far will be Australia day.

1049
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: You never get sick on Australia because it's the new

1050
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: interns that come.

1051
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: In good advice.

1052
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: All wait out my foot. Yeah wait.

1053
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: So it was Monday, so I did a sixteen hour

1054
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 3: shift where I covered half.

1055
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: Of the hospital. It was the first week of me

1056
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: being a doctor, so I'd done three shifts in the

1057
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: EMERGENC depart but I never worked in the actual hospital itself,

1058
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 2: and you have like say six wards that you go

1059
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: in and there's a white board and there's just like

1060
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: a list of jobs for the doctor.

1061
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: And the board was overflowing in all six wards and

1062
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: like my page was going off and I'd have to

1063
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: run and they'd be like, oh, this person's got a temperature.

1064
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: And I just remember being like, okay, like what do

1065
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: you want me to do about that? Like protocol of

1066
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 3: what you do, Like it's called a septic screen.

1067
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 2: I know that now. And then someone a.

1068
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: Heart attack another one, and I'm like I can't how

1069
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 3: do I possibly be in five for six places at once?

1070
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: Like it was just awful.

1071
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: I just wanted to I didn't eat or drink or

1072
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: go to the toilet for the sixteen hours, Like I

1073
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: just wanted to curl up in the cupboard and go

1074
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 3: into the fetal position and cry.

1075
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: Like it like a day will never be that hard

1076
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 2: ever again in my life. I don't reckon.

1077
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there was a lot of like sort of that,

1078
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: and then I didn't know what I wanted to do

1079
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: because I just kept going around going, well, I know

1080
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 3: I don't want to do this. I know I don't

1081
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 3: want to do that, and I just kind of got

1082
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: to the end and then I was like, well, what

1083
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 3: do I do now? So you just keep working and

1084
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 3: it kind of comes to you. And then I sort

1085
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: of circled background to sports medicine. So it's a specially

1086
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: in itself. So a sports physician is someone who's done

1087
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: a specially training program. So that's another four years. It's

1088
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: like another UNI degree, but you're working as a doctor

1089
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: while you do it.

1090
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 4: Is this a fellowship, Yeah, that's a fellowship.

1091
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1092
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 2: And so it's a private college. But to do your fellowship,

1093
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: you work in private practice.

1094
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: And I remember again, I came home to my husband

1095
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: and I said, oh, so I've got to work in

1096
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: private practice. So I've got to charge people to come

1097
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: and see me. But how can I charge them? I

1098
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 3: don't I don't know anything. And he's like, you're telling

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Speaker 3: me you've done like a physio degree, you've done a

1100
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Speaker 3: medical degree, you've worked for five years as a doctor,

1101
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 3: and you don't know anything. No, So that's just I

1102
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: think it comes back to that female and mentality of

1103
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: you know, like how can I put a price on that?

1104
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: Like why would people want to come and see me

1105
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: if I can see other people? You know? Just that

1106
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 2: kind of undervaluing yourself. Yeah, so then that was you

1107
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: do exams to get onto that program, you do exams

1108
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: to get off the program.

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00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: The PhD was an accidental thing, because of course, it

1110
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: was just I just fell into it, like, oh no,

1111
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: I had to do research as part of my fellowship

1112
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 3: and I'm not academic in any way.

1113
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 2: I'd never done research. I had not the faintest idea

1114
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: on how to do research.

1115
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: And the stipulation at the time with our college, it's

1116
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: sin's changed a lot. It's a lot more guided now,

1117
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 3: which is good, but it was published a randomized control trial.

1118
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh god, how do I do that?

1119
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 3: So I just approached a surgeon in a cafe near

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00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: the hospital and I was working because I knew he

1121
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: did a lot with unique students, like so medical students

1122
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: who had to do a research year. So I said

1123
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 3: to him, this is my I was actually pregnant with

1124
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 3: my son at the time. I said, this is my situation.

1125
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: I'm going to start and my fellowship next year. I

1126
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: need to do research. I know that's going to be

1127
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 3: the hardest thing to get me through. Can I just

1128
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: shadow your medical students and learn how to do research?

1129
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 3: And he was like, well, why don't you just come

1130
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: and do a fellowship with me and do the research

1131
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: that way.

1132
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 4: And I was like, yeah, okay in a PhD. Like cool.

1133
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1134
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 3: So it started as like doing this trial and then

1135
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: he was like, you should do a master's. I'm like, okay, well,

1136
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 3: the college had said that if you don't get published,

1137
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: if you've got a master's accounts. I was like, well'd

1138
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: sign up for a master's because it's the same thing really,

1139
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: like just one stuff which I was trying to get published,

1140
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 3: and then I was doing other stuff over the years,

1141
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 3: because it takes years to run a trial on your own,

1142
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: and so I started doing other things. And then he

1143
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: was like, well, you've got enough for PhD. You should

1144
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 3: change over.

1145
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh my god, why would I do that?

1146
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,919
Speaker 3: And then and then I kind of deliberated for six months,

1147
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: but I said, okay, what's going to be the worst

1148
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: thing about doing this is like just.

1149
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: The writing writing, And it was like I love writing,

1150
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: funnily enough.

1151
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: Like oh, even though I hate English, I'm not very

1152
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: good at it, I liked it.

1153
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: I got my dictionary, like I'm good.

1154
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 3: I hide over the dictionary now so I can write,

1155
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: so it's a it's a four year fellowship and I

1156
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: took six years, but I had both my kids did

1157
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: the fellowship and did the PhD in that six year

1158
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 3: time period, and like to me now thinking back, it

1159
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 3: sounds ridiculous.

1160
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: And so my final exam for.

1161
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 3: The end of that fellowship was literally within a week,

1162
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 3: twenty years to the day since my final HSC exam.

1163
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: So I've been studying consistently.

1164
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: For twenty years and working and I didn't even like

1165
00:46:58,040 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 2: people kept going winning and it finished.

1166
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, it doesn't feel like I'm trying to finish something,

1167
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: Like I'm just living my life. I'm just doing what

1168
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: I do. But like it was so not It is

1169
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: so nice to not have the that weight on your

1170
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 3: shoulder of having an exam coming up. Like that's the

1171
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 3: thing that's that's the only thing that's different. I still study,

1172
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: but I just study for the joy of learning. Not

1173
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: that I have a lot of time these days to

1174
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: do that, but I wish I had more time to

1175
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, So like I just like, I mean,

1176
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: I remember being in labor and having my textbook for

1177
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 3: my daughter, like just studying in the delivery suite, like

1178
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: one of my tournaments.

1179
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: My always take tournaments over in New Zealand. Like I

1180
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: think it was when I was doing physio.

1181
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 3: I like in between games, I was lying on the

1182
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 3: sideline just learning like the neuro pathways, you know, like

1183
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: the spino Cerebella tract and the like that just lag

1184
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: with my anatomy books and like people just knew that

1185
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 3: that was what I did, and they were like, oh, yeah,

1186
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 3: she's just studying for her exams or whatever on the sideline.

1187
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: But then but I'd still.

1188
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 3: Go out and do all the social things, Like I

1189
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: would never miss a social thing. I'm a very social person.

1190
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I obviously.

1191
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: Just don't do anything other than that, Like I do

1192
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 2: sleep a couple of hours.

1193
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, I love that people will now now often

1194
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: describe you as the Matilda's doctor, and we have not

1195
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: even got there yet. And this is all of the

1196
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: things that you've done before that was even on the radar.

1197
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: This is the bit that.

1198
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Probably doesn't get as much airtime. Like all the questions

1199
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 1: people ask you will be so Matilda's focus, which is

1200
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: so interesting and so like it's we have so many questions,

1201
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: Like we definitely have so many questions about that but

1202
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: I think this is the bit that I love to

1203
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: focus on in most people's stories, is the bit of

1204
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: like how they got there, because other people listening who

1205
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: haven't found their thing want to be reminded that you

1206
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: can study for all this time not know what it's

1207
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: going to.

1208
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Speaker 4: Lead to, but that's still a really worthy life.

1209
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: You know.

1210
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: You're like you didn't know that that you weren't trying

1211
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: to get to the end of something. You were just

1212
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: enjoying the process, which is like that's life.

1213
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, because I mean that's all I mean.

1214
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 3: So I say the girl sometimes, like the Tillies girls,

1215
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: I say, like it's like life is just actually how

1216
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: you feel, Like it's all just about nations and that's

1217
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 3: all it is. And so the things that we look

1218
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: back on, you know, like if a holiday, I feel

1219
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 3: like the anticipation of having a holiday and then the

1220
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: memories of it afterwards are probably better than the actual holiday,

1221
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: because it's very hard to live in that moment. You

1222
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: can't be like I should be really enjoying this now,

1223
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 3: like I should be like super high. Yeah, So it's

1224
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 3: just about So you just change your life to make

1225
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 3: sure that you feel that way as much as you

1226
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 3: can all of the time, and then that's the journey,

1227
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: and it's going to end at some point, but we

1228
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: don't know when that is.

1229
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: So just keep going.

1230
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Speaker 5: I feel like everyone we normally go through roadblocks and things,

1256
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 5: and now I'm sure you had a lot of roadblocks

1257
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 5: along the whole path of physio to med, but sometimes

1258
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 5: I feel like our roadblocks actually ourselves. Whereas you kind of,

1259
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 5: like you've said throughout this podcast, you do things your

1260
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 5: own way, and you do things that you love and

1261
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 5: you're not driven by money.

1262
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: You do it because you like doing it.

1263
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 5: And even I think that's you said, you just love people,

1264
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 5: and that's part of probably why it sounds like you've

1265
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 5: described it sounds like a.

1266
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,839
Speaker 2: Smooth process of going from physio to.

1267
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 5: Doing the GAMSAT getting into med like I know people

1268
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 5: have done like four gamsats.

1269
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: Or tried for four years and really struggled to get in.

1270
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 5: But I think with you, it's a testament to the

1271
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 5: fate that you just continue to do what you wanted it.

1272
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: And loved doing, and that is why it paid off

1273
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: in the end.

1274
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 5: But also I love that you kind of just brush

1275
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 5: off these things like, oh, yeah, I just had people

1276
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 5: come to my house as clients in my first year

1277
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,320
Speaker 5: of physio because that's a normal thing to happen.

1278
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 2: It's not a normal thing to happen.

1279
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 4: I just did a PhD on rotator cuffs.

1280
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then I just walked into a cafe and

1281
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 5: then I was like, whoa PhD.

1282
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 2: Cool?

1283
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 5: Just like just brushed over so many huge things, both

1284
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 5: science and healthcare people. Well, I'll really try to do

1285
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 5: and like spend ages trying to get kind of not

1286
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 5: like get landed in your lap at all. But I

1287
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 5: feel like you are just the type of person that

1288
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 5: says yes, toe opportunities and then figures it out later

1289
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 5: because that's.

1290
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 2: What you want to try to do and love doing. Yeah.

1291
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: I think I mean both of you have said things

1292
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: that are probably a very spot on and perceptive of

1293
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 3: you to pick up that I probably only know.

1294
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: About myself looking back that I wouldn't have thought at

1295
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: the time. I think I am.

1296
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 3: I'm obviously very lucky that I have a brain that

1297
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: has an ability to work when I want to focus

1298
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: on something, and that's something that I don't know how

1299
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 3: other people's brains work, so I can't tell if that's.

1300
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Unique or not.

1301
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 3: But I never feel like there's a barrier to anything

1302
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: that I want to do if I just, you know.

1303
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: Work hard to do it, but you have to also

1304
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 2: be very.

1305
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 3: Driven, you have to sacrifice, and you can't do everything

1306
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 3: all at the same time. But I think that the

1307
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 3: big difference, the thing that's probably the biggest attribute for me,

1308
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: and it didn't it wasn't when I was younger, and

1309
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: it's you know, my sister is very similar to me,

1310
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: the one that's years younger, and we're sort of like

1311
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: twins that were born eight years apart. But the biggest

1312
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: difference between her and eyes that's like you and I am.

1313
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 3: She's got a massive fear of failure complex and that's

1314
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 3: the thing that I don't have. And it's not it

1315
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: would be very hard if you had that, like I understand.

1316
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 3: It's it's not like people who think like that can't

1317
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 3: just switch it off. But I've never thought like that.

1318
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 3: I used to care a lot about what people thought

1319
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: of me in terms of I was very insecure about

1320
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 3: my looks and about my like you know, friendships.

1321
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 2: And things like that.

1322
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: But I've never ever doubted myself and my ability to

1323
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 3: do something. And people said to me like, oh, if

1324
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 3: you didn't get into physio at Sydney, would you have moved?

1325
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, I thought I hadn't even crossed my mind,

1326
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 3: but probably not. Like I'm such a typical shy girl

1327
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: that you know, you just live in this little you know,

1328
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 3: my whole entire extended family live in a one and

1329
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: half k radius of me on both sides. So that's

1330
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: the Schario type for.

1331
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: Where I live. Why would I move? Why would I

1332
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: hear from that?

1333
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: And then it was like, if you didn't get into

1334
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: medicine first time, would you have tried again? And I

1335
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 3: was like, well, I don't know, because I don't ever

1336
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: think that. I'm not going to like it doesn't mean

1337
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: and I'm.

1338
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: Not like that. I don't achieve things first go that

1339
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: I want to achieve. I don't put contingencies there.

1340
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: I just figure out, like it's like if I'm walking,

1341
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: if I'm driving somewhere, I don't think, well, where I'm.

1342
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: Trying to get to? Is it at the end of

1343
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: the road, Like which other way could I go? Oh?

1344
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: I like to see and then I'll change my direction.

1345
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 3: Like so it's just like you said, I can go

1346
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 3: in a direction and then I can just completely pivot

1347
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: into a different direction. And I did have that thought

1348
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,399
Speaker 3: initially between physio medicine, like is that a negative thing?

1349
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: And that's the last time I ever thought that, because

1350
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: I think it's so positive, Like the more life experience

1351
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 3: and the more you can do just adds to everything

1352
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 3: and makes you better at whatever you're doing at that

1353
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: point in time. And yeah, I guess, Like in terms

1354
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 3: of getting into becoming the Matilda's doctor, it wasn't until

1355
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: I started working in sports medicine that I realized that

1356
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 3: maybe I could get my Olympic dream from working for

1357
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 3: a team at the Olympics. And like, I could have

1358
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: worked at the Olympics in the clinics, so you can.

1359
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 2: Work as a doctor in the headquarters.

1360
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 3: And interestingly, I had no aspirations to do that through

1361
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 3: my career, but I probably will do that when I

1362
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: stopped working for the Matilda.

1363
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: So it's funny how your mind changes when you are

1364
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: exposed to different things. But yeah, so I thought.

1365
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 3: So I started working in football because it was an

1366
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: Olympic sport and I thought maybe one day I could

1367
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 3: be the Matilda's doctor and then that would get me

1368
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: to the Olympics.

1369
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: How did that even come about?

1370
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 3: So as a like, on the training program, you've got

1371
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 3: to cover nine different sports, so such an arbitrary number,

1372
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 3: but so you have to work in you have to

1373
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 3: do at least one game coverage in nine different sports.

1374
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 3: You've got to do a full year and a collision

1375
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 3: contact sport. But even that, so now, like I mean.

1376
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: I've worked three years.

1377
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: I did three years as the Roosters, the NL team's

1378
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 3: second doctor, but for that contact year. Because I wanted

1379
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: to fit it in with my lifestyle, I actually created

1380
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: a job at the local rugby team. So I went

1381
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 3: to the rugby team and said, hey, your colts team

1382
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: doesn't have a doctor, would you like me to be

1383
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 3: their doctor for the year because I've got to do

1384
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 3: this as a requirement for my specialty training and I

1385
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: would much prefer just to come down to the local

1386
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 3: at three pm on a Saturday and then I'll put

1387
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: a clinic on for you on a Monday so I

1388
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: can see all the.

1389
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: Injuries and yeah, that's all for free and would you

1390
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: like it?

1391
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: And so obviously, so I had to find a supervisor,

1392
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 3: like I'll had to kind of create what I.

1393
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: Needed out of it.

1394
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 3: But it's still, you know, I just I just fit

1395
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 3: things around me if they're not there already, and that's

1396
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: just the way I've always been.

1397
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: But I feel like.

1398
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: That's why you get them.

1399
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: You laterally think like often people will apply in a

1400
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,759
Speaker 1: position that exists, they won't get it, and then like

1401
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: that's a no, Whereas I feel like you're very like, well,

1402
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: this doesn't exist, and so I'll just propose it and

1403
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 1: like if the worst thing someone can say is a no,

1404
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: like that's not that big a deal, and chances that

1405
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: they might say yes and it turns out they have.

1406
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's such a healthy way to getting

1407
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 1: what you want because most of the time things aren't there,

1408
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: not for a reason, it's just no one's thought of

1409
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,880
Speaker 1: it or like proposed it before. It's so cool that

1410
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: you were just like here and they're like.

1411
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah.

1412
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: And so then so when my girlfriend was working for

1413
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,720
Speaker 3: Sydney at the time, and then she was another registrant

1414
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: on the program. She was moving to Brisbane, so she

1415
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: said to me, do you want this job? And I

1416
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, okay, well I had football's football

1417
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 3: is like one of my sports that I haven't done,

1418
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 3: so that'll be another one that I can tick off.

1419
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: So I started working for Sydney f C. And at

1420
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 3: the time we had a lot of our current Matildas

1421
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: in that so Lana Kennedy, Caitlin Ford, Cloeland in that

1422
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: Sydney FC team. So then I worked for them, and

1423
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: then she also at the time did the junior Matildas.

1424
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 3: I think or two friends. One was doing young with Tills,

1425
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 3: one was doing juniors. Anyway, she couldn't do one of

1426
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: the tours because she had a wedding, so I did

1427
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 3: the tour for her for the junior Matildas and I

1428
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: really enjoyed it because it was a great group of

1429
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: like Raydale's still the coach and she's just an amazing coach.

1430
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: So I was very lucky that I went into a

1431
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: tour with the coach that just is just phenomenal. So

1432
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: I just enjoyed that. That was I went to Thailand.

1433
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: It was twenty seventeen. I was pregnant with Nikita.

1434
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: I went to Thailand.

1435
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 3: I actually the phisio of the team was Jackie, who

1436
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 3: is the phissio of Matilda's now, so that's where we

1437
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: met originally. I just remember saying to the girls, like

1438
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 3: they didn't want to eat the food, was like, look,

1439
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: if I'm pregnant, I'm eating it. It's fine for you

1440
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 3: to eat like headless. So I mean, and it wasn't

1441
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 3: the great like it's not It wasn't luxury in any

1442
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: way like you think it's.

1443
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: It's not the Thailand you think of for a holiday.

1444
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 3: So I worked with the juniors for a few years,

1445
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: and that's kind of when I went, you know, one

1446
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: day I.

1447
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: Can work for the Matildas and then I can go

1448
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 2: to Olympics.

1449
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: Like I just knew that that's what I wanted to do,

1450
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 3: and so I made a lot of sacrifices to get there.

1451
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: So one of the Junior Matilda's tours, it came up

1452
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: very last minute, and it was when I had a

1453
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 3: family holiday booked, and so I literally did not go

1454
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: on my family holiday so that I could go away

1455
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: and sent my husband and kids on a holiday on

1456
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 3: their own to the snow, and so that I could

1457
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 3: go away at work so that no one would come

1458
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 3: and take the job that I had, so that I

1459
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: could then still be the next in line for the

1460
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 3: next time. I mean that was no one said that

1461
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: to me. That was just how my brain worked, Like

1462
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 3: I just figured, you have to be there at the

1463
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 3: right time, and I just didn't want everything to have

1464
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 3: not been there at the right time and then the

1465
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 3: right time to come.

1466
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 2: And so I covered a couple of days.

1467
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 3: In the Matilda's here and there for the doctor who

1468
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 3: James Ilich, who's had been with a team for decades.

1469
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: I mean that's a bit made. It's not decades, but

1470
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: you know, like very long. He'd been a very long

1471
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: time a while. And so then with COVID and everything

1472
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: shut down.

1473
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were in Japan during COVID.

1474
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so before that.

1475
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: So the way that the football works is there's these

1476
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 3: FIFA windows, and so six times a year, you know

1477
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 3: when the girls are going to have like the international

1478
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: competitions around, so it's ten days where no one can

1479
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: have club games because they run international games. And so

1480
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,920
Speaker 3: there's these windows that we travel at and then it's

1481
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: a four year calendar. Three of the four years as

1482
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: a major tournament, So one year is the Olympics, one

1483
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: year is the Asian Cup, one years the World Cup,

1484
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 3: and there's a year off. And so because of COVID,

1485
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: those FIFA windows they'd kept being shut down because the

1486
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 3: girls were actually meant to go to Wuhan the week

1487
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 3: that COVID came out of Wuhan, like no one had

1488
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 3: heard of Wuhan, and the suddenly they were going away.

1489
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 4: That's so random.

1490
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in Thailand working at it, at the

1491
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 3: men's tournament, like the under twenty three's tournament the time,

1492
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 3: and I remember all the meetings about should they still go,

1493
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 3: should they not go?

1494
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: Is COVID a thing or not.

1495
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: So it turned out they they were in camp, but

1496
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 3: they didn't fly over there. They first of all, they

1497
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: moved it to a different part of China than they

1498
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 3: said no, like you're not going at all. So that

1499
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 3: was what like the beginning of twenty twenty. So then

1500
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: that's when the Olympics got postponed. Basically twenty twenty was

1501
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 3: shut down for football. There wasn't a lot of touring

1502
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 3: and so then in twenty twenty one, the first tour

1503
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 3: that was back post COVID was in April, so the

1504
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 3: April window they were going to Netherlands. And then very

1505
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 3: last minute, the doctor couldn't tour and he rang me

1506
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: and because at this time, I'd already been working for

1507
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 3: the Roosters, and he said, oh, I know you probably

1508
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 3: can't do it, but I am not gonna. I can't

1509
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: do this tour. Do you know someone who couldn't do it?

1510
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, are you insane?

1511
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: Mate? Like you're asking me to find someone else to

1512
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: travel with. The Matilda's like what, no, of course I'm

1513
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 2: going to do it. And I was like, yeah, I

1514
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: can do it. He's like, oh, okay, that's that's even better.

1515
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: So literally I had to go home to my family,

1516
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: go hey next week, next week? Is it cool?

1517
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 3: When I go to ams to Netherlands. It was Rotterdam,

1518
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 3: I think, and it's for two weeks, but then I

1519
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: have to do two weeks quarantine when I get home,

1520
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 3: so that's four weeks.

1521
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: Away and they're like yeah, sure, So.

1522
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 3: I did that, and then when I came back, I

1523
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: just had this sick feeling that like, it's weird my

1524
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 3: reaction because I knew the Olympics were in June or July,

1525
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: and I knew that they had a big tour before,

1526
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 3: like it's a big commitment, and I'd always wanted this job,

1527
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 3: and I had this feeling. I was like, what's going

1528
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: to happen if they asked me to do this job now? Like,

1529
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 3: because I just literally dropped everything and went away for

1530
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 3: a month and that was pretty hard on the family,

1531
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: like and it was in COVID times.

1532
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: And then i'd come back and I.

1533
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: Thought, I hopey because there've been talks that he wanted

1534
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 3: to retire after the Olympics, So I thought, I will,

1535
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 3: He'll do the Olympics and then maybe I'll if I

1536
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 3: do a good job on this tour.

1537
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 2: It was a new it.

1538
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: It was TG's first tour, so his first tour as

1539
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 3: the coach. This is April twenty twenty one.

1540
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: TG.

1541
01:01:57,640 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 3: I was like, who's Tony Gustavson. Yeah, TG, we call

1542
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: him Yeah, So it was his first to us. So

1543
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 3: I'd worked with him, and I thought, well, at least

1544
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: I've put my foot in the door there, like I've

1545
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 3: shown the sort of person I am. I've worked with

1546
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 3: the girls, Like, you know, whatever's going to happen is

1547
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: going to happen. So then I just came back home,

1548
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 3: went back to work, and I was just yeah, sort

1549
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 3: of for this, I felt uneasy because I was like.

1550
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: Oh, what if I get it?

1551
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I can't, Like it's just too it's the

1552
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 2: last minute.

1553
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 3: And so literally then I got there was like nothing

1554
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 3: spoken of, and then I got wrong, like it was

1555
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 3: probably ten days, like it was in June, and they

1556
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 3: rang me. I remember I was at a Rooster games.

1557
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 3: I was in Queensland. I was away for the weekend

1558
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 3: at work.

1559
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: It's too hot up there though, Like why wasn't decender

1560
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: that was all right?

1561
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: And they were like, oh, like I think he's going

1562
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 2: to pull out of the limp because can you do it?

1563
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 2: And I was like what does that mean? Actually it

1564
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 2: was the coach that rang me. It was the coach

1565
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: and I was like, so how long?

1566
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 3: And he goes, yeah, like we need you in Sweden beforehand,

1567
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: like ten days time, ten days?

1568
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: What the hell? For like ten weeks? I was like

1569
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: I can't it, can't do it.

1570
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: And so that was like the biggest inner turmoil I've

1571
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 3: had in my life because it's like everything I've done

1572
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 3: to this point is for this, but I just don't

1573
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,440
Speaker 3: know if I can do it to my family, like

1574
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: it's nothing to do with me, like if I was

1575
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: you know, but at the time mybdare was three, I think,

1576
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: you know, it's a lot of effort like COVID, like homeschooling.

1577
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: My husband's in real estate, so he was kind of

1578
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: busy through COVID, like working hard, Like was just it

1579
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: was just ridiculous how.

1580
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: Hard it was. And I said, like, can I do it?

1581
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 3: But maybe just the seventh like there because they were

1582
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 3: going to Sweden for a pre camp and then going

1583
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: because it's just like in the World Cup, we were

1584
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 3: ay for ten weeks, right, it's a four week tournament.

1585
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 2: We were a for ten weeks.

1586
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 3: Olympics is a two week tournament, but you away for

1587
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 3: eight weeks, say, and then the two weeks quarantine because

1588
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: it's still the quarantine at the end.

1589
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

1590
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 3: So in the end I had to like kind of

1591
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 3: and he was worried because he wanted the whole team

1592
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 3: to be the same team right through. Like I hadn't

1593
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 3: worked with the actual head visio because he hadn't come

1594
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: on that to it, so a lot of the main

1595
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 3: staff hadn't been away in April because they were having

1596
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 3: the break because it was too much to travel.

1597
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: Then and then again.

1598
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: So I was saying, so the reason they all didn't

1599
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: go was because it was too much. Yet you're asking

1600
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 3: me at very short notice to do the same thing,

1601
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 3: but very short notice and with a family at home,

1602
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 3: Like that's just really a bit ridiculous, and so you

1603
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 3: basically he said, yeah, we want you, you're actual number

1604
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: one choice, but these like we want you for this,

1605
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: this whole thing, and then I just thought, I just

1606
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 3: can't do it to my family. It was just too much,

1607
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 3: Like of all the sacrifices I made, I was like,

1608
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: that is just too much. So I just said, look,

1609
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: I want this as much, like I really really want this,

1610
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: but I can only do like the eight weeks or

1611
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: the seven weeks or whatever it is. So I can

1612
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: meet you in Japan, but we'd have to find someone

1613
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 3: to do the first pre camp in Sweden. I understand,

1614
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 3: you know your preference, and if that's the way it is,

1615
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 3: and you can find someone to do the whole thing,

1616
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 3: then that's fine. Like I know what I'm I'm a

1617
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 3: sound mind, I know what I'm saying here, And so

1618
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 3: I felt better about saying that. So I actually felt

1619
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 3: like I for once in my life, I'd stood up

1620
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: for myself and said what I wanted, and I was

1621
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 3: happy to lose it all if that was the case.

1622
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: And then he rang back about it. I don't know

1623
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 2: how long it was, I can't really.

1624
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 3: Remember, but it was it's like getting close obviously, and

1625
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,479
Speaker 3: he basically said, look, we just we thought we need

1626
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 3: to do what's best for the team.

1627
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 2: And I thought it was the same.

1628
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: What's best for the team is to have someone consistent.

1629
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 3: And he said, and what's best for the team is

1630
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: to have you there for as much as you can

1631
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 3: come for and I was like, oh my god.

1632
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then I did that.

1633
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 3: And then but then even like in the quarantine, like

1634
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 3: you think like that's it, but it's not like there's

1635
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 3: no sort of okay, sit down and this is the

1636
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 3: job you're undertaking. It's just like, well, you just get

1637
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 3: on the plane, you go away again. And then even

1638
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: when we're in the quarantine, they a new person came

1639
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 3: on and they were kind of like, so when you

1640
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: go to Ireland in September. I'm like, what, like, because

1641
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: this is an oversty now and I'm like, oh no, no, no,

1642
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 3: I can't.

1643
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 2: I don't even home yet from the last trip and

1644
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: you're talking about two and a half weeks time, like.

1645
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 3: And then basically it went through we were like, oh,

1646
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 3: you're so ungrateful for this position that you've.

1647
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: Got and blah blah blah, and I'm like, oh wow.

1648
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: So so it was a bit of a bumpy road

1649
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: there initially because then I was like, is this my

1650
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: job or am I just filling in all the time?

1651
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: Like I need a bit of certainty here, and so

1652
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: there was a bit of back and forward. And that's

1653
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 3: the typical female thing, right You just feel like someone's

1654
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 3: just like you just need certainty. But it's mistaken as oh,

1655
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 3: you're ungrateful for what you've been given or you should

1656
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 3: be this or that. And this is not from the

1657
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 3: coaching stuff. This is just from you know, the organization,

1658
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: I guess. And it's not a job that you're They

1659
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 3: didn't advertise the job, right, So it's not like there's

1660
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 3: no criteria.

1661
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: It's just you just go for one of these things

1662
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: and you're like, I think I'm the doctor. I don't know,

1663
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,919
Speaker 2: and you're in between going like and then I'm they're going,

1664
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 2: can I say I'm the Madiita's doctor or is that

1665
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: like a bit is that like presumption and be like,

1666
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 2: well you are, You're like, well, I.

1667
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,680
Speaker 4: Don't know, like I don't know as.

1668
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,240
Speaker 2: He keeps getting called to go away.

1669
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, so I at the same time, I was like, well,

1670
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: you know what, like I got my Olympic dream.

1671
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: I went to an Olympics. It was like it was

1672
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: a lot of things.

1673
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: By the time you work really hard and you get there,

1674
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not as good as what you

1675
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 3: think it's going to be, Like it was everything and

1676
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: more like it was just so amazing.

1677
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 4: I've got goosebumps, Like that's yeah.

1678
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 3: The village is just I think COVID made it better

1679
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 3: in some ways for the village life because.

1680
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 2: Everyone had to be there.

1681
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 3: Like you're seeing athletes like fangirling and fan boing other athletes,

1682
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: like you're just watching them and like these people and

1683
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 3: they're like.

1684
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: Super super famous and they're like fangirling other people.

1685
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like the level. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1686
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 3: It's just you know, at one point, I was in

1687
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: the kitchen because it was COVID, so we tried to

1688
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: do as much as we could in an Australia building

1689
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 3: away from the main building so we wouldn't get COVID,

1690
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: And I was just chatting at the coffee like I

1691
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: don't drink coffee. I can drink tea, but it was

1692
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 3: next to the coffee machine. I was making a tea.

1693
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:37,040
Speaker 3: I was chatting some people and I was talking about

1694
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: the Bircher and the smoothie. I was like, oh, like

1695
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: if you haven't tried the bananas momode in, They're like,

1696
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 3: it's the most amazing thing you ever ever.

1697
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 2: Have, Like, definitely get that. Just running on and I

1698
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 2: turned around. I realized that I was talking to Kate

1699
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 2: the swim. Now I've just completely.

1700
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: Che yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Campbell, Kate Campbell, just like

1701
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: get the bananas the gowl.

1702
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I'm just to take care

1703
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: of well, like she's just one of my mates at

1704
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 2: the cafe that she shouldn't have the banannaweet. But that's

1705
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 2: how it was, you know, like everyone was just like

1706
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: everyone was just there. People. They're just humans, like these

1707
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: famous athletes, they're just humans.

1708
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: And you know, I suppose that's how I see the

1709
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 3: materials girls, but and other athletes that I don't work with.

1710
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 2: You know you see them differently, but oh my god, I.

1711
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 5: Was because I was just gonna ask you ever look

1712
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 5: at the maternals girls and like kind of fangil But

1713
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 5: obviously you work so closely to them, it's hard to

1714
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: see objectively, like how huge they are.

1715
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's important.

1716
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:35,839
Speaker 4: Do you forget?

1717
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely? Like to me, they're just my kids, Like

1718
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 2: I've just got like twenty three.

1719
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 4: Adult kids little duck lands.

1720
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:45,719
Speaker 2: The difference is when I come home.

1721
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: I noticed that at least when I tell them things,

1722
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 3: they do it first time, whereas my five and ten

1723
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: year old I have to pick myself to them and

1724
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, can you please do it first time?

1725
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 2: But we have this thing that like I think athletes

1726
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:01,160
Speaker 2: they're so good with the fans, but for staff, they

1727
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: don't want a fan.

1728
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need their tea, their support.

1729
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't even have to be careful about it.

1730
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 3: I think that they just naturally people when you're working,

1731
01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 3: you're working, it's very different. So like people will say, mean,

1732
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: can you get this? Can you get Sam Curtis on this?

1733
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: Like no, Like I don't even ask her to get

1734
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 3: things for my kids. Like I'm very conscious of and

1735
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 3: like the girls give me plenty of things for them,

1736
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 3: but I'm very conscious of being very careful that this

1737
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: is my well when I started, like, this is a

1738
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 3: job and these are my patients, clients, athletes, whatever you

1739
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 3: want to call them, and this is not appropriate for

1740
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 3: me to get photos or to get things signed or

1741
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 3: anything like that.

1742
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 2: But that was initially. Now it's just like free for all.

1743
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,839
Speaker 4: What's the opposite, right, Like there, I'm kidding, okay, but they're.

1744
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 3: Like I'm still conscious not to impose too much on them,

1745
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 3: but they also like obviously I've got them all, like

1746
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 3: people like, oh for the Matilla's, do you know Sam Kerr?

1747
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 2: Likely know, Like how else can I possibly do my job?

1748
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 2: I didn't know.

1749
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 5: Now I work remotely and I.

1750
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: Letter, yeah, so you know, do you have a number?

1751
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I've got all of the girls on WhatsApp

1752
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: obviously because that's like how can I communicate otherwise? And

1753
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 3: so most mornings, because they're based in your at most mornings,

1754
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 3: one of them will have said something, you know, like

1755
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,520
Speaker 3: I'm there like basically their twenty four seven personal doctor

1756
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 3: friend whatever like so to me, it's you know, over

1757
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 3: the three years, like I'm very close to them, but

1758
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 3: it's also it's not like I'm not in the friendship group,

1759
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: you know, like it's different because I'm their doctor.

1760
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be. That's the nature.

1761
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 2: Who ever wants their mom in their friendship group exactly

1762
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: when you need your mom, you need your mom, right yes,

1763
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: the morning.

1764
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 5: I have one more question to make, actually two more questions,

1765
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 5: and then sah, you can wrap up with you.

1766
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 2: One question is I know you've had some really.

1767
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 5: Awesome experiences with the Tillies and it's probably hard to pinpoint,

1768
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,719
Speaker 5: but what do you feel has been the best one

1769
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 5: that you've ever experienced?

1770
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, that one's easy, That one's easy without a doubt,

1771
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: Like this World Cup was probably the hardest position I've

1772
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: ever been in professionally in terms of sometimes as a doctor,

1773
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 3: especially in football, Like you can go and sit on

1774
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: the sideline and you're just sitting on the sideline and

1775
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:22,440
Speaker 3: the best seat watching.

1776
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 2: The game from a really really.

1777
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 3: Good seat, right, and it's like, Wow, I'm like this

1778
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 3: is a job, Like I'm getting paid to sit in

1779
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: this seat and watch this sport. You don't watch it

1780
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 3: the same way as you watch sport as a fan,

1781
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 3: so you're always watching a bit behind the play, so

1782
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 3: it's hard.

1783
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's hard for me to switch off. So I'll

1784
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: go to my son's sport and I'm watching, like for injuries,

1785
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, and.

1786
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 4: So like what is the score?

1787
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 3: Let's just get to when you move for NRL, it's

1788
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: probably the hardest sport you ever worked for. There's so

1789
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 3: much going on, Like it's just such a good experience

1790
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:51,960
Speaker 3: in terms of career, getting your skills up, keeping your

1791
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 3: skills up, all of that, and then football, like roundbow

1792
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 3: football is not usually as intense, but this World Cup

1793
01:11:57,800 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 3: for me was like some of the hardest things I

1794
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: had to do in terms of obviously like ruling Sam

1795
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,559
Speaker 3: out the night before the first game, and this is

1796
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 3: like a career highlight for her, right, Like that's got

1797
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 3: like you know, they teach you in medical school to

1798
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 3: how to break bad news, and it's they're teaching you

1799
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 3: because you've got to tell people you've got cancer or

1800
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: things like that, and they get actors in so that

1801
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 3: you can practice, which I think is a really good thing.

1802
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 3: And you know, but in the sporting context, telling you know,

1803
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 3: one of the best players in the world. I know

1804
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 3: I'm biased, but that at her home world, right, before

1805
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:31,800
Speaker 3: the game. She can't play tomorrow. That's hard. But I

1806
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 3: didn't even find that hard because you know, you've got

1807
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: the trust, you know, Like it wasn't even kind of

1808
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: one of those contentious things.

1809
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 2: It was like you not got to be able to play.

1810
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 2: And she knew that.

1811
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 3: Too, so she you know, and she took it so well.

1812
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 3: So to do that and then the next game to

1813
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: have to rule Mary out before the game. I wanted

1814
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 3: to be challenged in my career, like I didn't want

1815
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 3: the easy route, and those things are the biggest challenge

1816
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 3: that I've ever had to do, and it's all me.

1817
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 3: It's on me, Like those decisions, especially the concussion ones,

1818
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 3: like it's all on me. I've got friends and support

1819
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: that I can choose, but ultimately it's like you know,

1820
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,200
Speaker 3: and my scor scientist he said it facetiously, but he said,

1821
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 3: you know that you've got our entire World Cup campaign

1822
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 3: in your hands with this disciple.

1823
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1824
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:18,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, Well, yeah, I thrive M under pressure, so

1825
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:20,799
Speaker 3: lucky that pressure doesn't bother me, you know, as an athlete,

1826
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,799
Speaker 3: so you know, just take that into to my career.

1827
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: But I was proud of the way that I handled

1828
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 3: that and I was happy that I had some adversity

1829
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 3: and some challenges because I didn't want an easy run.

1830
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: So the biggest moment was when Sam came on and

1831
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: scored that goal, because she should not have been on

1832
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 2: that field, like she is an.

1833
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 3: Unbelievably freakish athlete and equally like her body heel was like,

1834
01:13:47,080 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like she should not have been the

1835
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 3: injury she had, She should not have been able to

1836
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 3: come back. She was always going to come back, but

1837
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 3: to come back and play that well and do that,

1838
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 3: Like I am pretty unemotional, especially when I'm at work,

1839
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: but like that got in, Like I got that emotion

1840
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: when she did that, Like it was like proud mum

1841
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: moment for me.

1842
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 4: Like oh, because.

1843
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 5: There was a lot of talk because I don't think

1844
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 5: unless you were in camp, no one really knew the

1845
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 5: extent of the injury, what it was, how long. Like

1846
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 5: as a physio, I was like, well, if it's this grade,

1847
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 5: it's probably more than two weeks and a bit longer,

1848
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,400
Speaker 5: particularly at the elite level that.

1849
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 2: She is and the intensity that she has to play out.

1850
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 5: But then obviously people forget that the person that rules

1851
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 5: you know out is the team doctor, not like, it's

1852
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 5: not the physio, it's not the coach, it's not the player, it's.

1853
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,440
Speaker 2: The team doctor. So that you had Alama.

1854
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 5: Kennedy out, Mary Fowler out, Sam kerr out, was there

1855
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 5: a part of you that was like she might miss

1856
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:47,639
Speaker 5: the whole thing and was that really hard to grasp?

1857
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 3: I think the way that I think, like the way

1858
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 3: that I thought through my whole career, my whole life,

1859
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: is the same way that I think it works. So

1860
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:56,800
Speaker 3: it's just like, Okay, you just make things simple, you

1861
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 3: don't think too big, so you just go all right,

1862
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: can she play tomorrow night?

1863
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely not.

1864
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 3: And I said to it, like, you're not going to

1865
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:05,200
Speaker 3: play the second game either, So like we just and

1866
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 3: in terms of what was interesting the most about it

1867
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 3: was how the media reacted to it, because oh, they

1868
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 3: must be hiding something like we literally have never been

1869
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 3: more honest in our lives, Like this is exactly how

1870
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 3: it is. So she can't play the first game, she

1871
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: can't play the second game. We'll make a decision on

1872
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 3: the third game based on the circumstances. And literally that's

1873
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: what we went to the media and said, and they

1874
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 3: were just like, hmm, that's too honest.

1875
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 4: Must be something conspiracy theory.

1876
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

1877
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like my my husband's in real estate and he says,

1878
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 3: if you make it too easy, people just start to

1879
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 3: doubt it. So if you go, this is the price

1880
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: that will buy the house, and they go, oh, you

1881
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 3: must be hiding something, and they just don't buy it.

1882
01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 3: So it was kind of like a bit of a

1883
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 3: moment like that, and you know, and I don't care

1884
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 3: what anyone else thinks other than the athlete and the

1885
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 3: people that I work for, And we knew what the

1886
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 3: situation was, and it was you know, we talked about

1887
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 3: like I knew she would make it back on the

1888
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 3: field because she was always going to go back on

1889
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 3: the field because it wasn't like so with concussion, I

1890
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: can't put someone cancussed on the field. So if you

1891
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 3: can cuss, you're out until you're not can cussed anymore.

1892
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 3: Like that's a no brainer. But with carf injury, like

1893
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 3: you can take the field, but you just might break

1894
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: further and it might be very quickly if you go

1895
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 3: on too soon. And so we like our talks were

1896
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 3: about like how are you going to feel if you

1897
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: don't play? How are you going to feel if you

1898
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 3: do play? And your break, how you're going to feel

1899
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 3: if you're playing this game but then you can't play

1900
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: the next game. So it's just basically going through everything

1901
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 3: and having those discussions with her, with the physios who

1902
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 3: were managing her rehab, with the coaches, and just being

1903
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 3: really clear and just saying like, we can't tell, but

1904
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 3: if this happens, this is what's going to happen.

1905
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:33,320
Speaker 2: If this is what's going to happen, and you just

1906
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 2: have a plan.

1907
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 3: So it wasn't stressful at all internally. What was stressful

1908
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: was trying to have people second guessing everything and everyone

1909
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 3: wanted to know and oh, can you send me her.

1910
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: Reheab like no, hell no, like you who are you know?

1911
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 3: Some government official who's put a lot of money into

1912
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 3: this person, because unfortunately, elite athletes are also commodities and

1913
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,920
Speaker 3: sport is a business. And that's the thing that I

1914
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,240
Speaker 3: learned the most there is that the number one thing

1915
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 3: isn't actually performance a lot of the time for a

1916
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 3: lot of stakeholders, and that's really sad, but for us,

1917
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: for my job, it's very clear it's performance. So I

1918
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:06,800
Speaker 3: just got to make everyone healthy well and perform the

1919
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: best they can.

1920
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 2: So and the same with Mary.

1921
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 3: Like when it was, it was a difficult decision initially

1922
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: because it was a bit sort of like, I understand,

1923
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,520
Speaker 3: if I make a call of concussion, that's got implications

1924
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 3: for not this game, potentially the next game. So I

1925
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 3: have to make sure I get the right call. It's

1926
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 3: not about changing my mind on anything, it's just to

1927
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 3: make sure that And so I took a few hours

1928
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 3: and said, I'm going to take a few hours to Decideclese.

1929
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 3: She she got injured at training and so we didn't

1930
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 3: I didn't have to decide straight away, and it was

1931
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: the day before the game, and I just said, like,

1932
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: I'll let you know, and time helps as well with concussion,

1933
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 3: and so I had all these people in my ear

1934
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: and then I just thought, hang on a second, this

1935
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 3: is actually not difficult.

1936
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 2: All I have to decide is do I think she

1937
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:46,479
Speaker 2: is concussed now or not?

1938
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: And then when I put it that way, I was like, yes,

1939
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 3: she's concussed, So there's the decision, and then we just

1940
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 3: do everything on the back of that. And so I

1941
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 3: think that, yeah, if you just start thinking a bit

1942
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 3: too far into the future and overwhelming with all of

1943
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 3: the possibilities, it just becomes a little bit too hard

1944
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 3: to handle, so you just bring it back to so,

1945
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 3: you know, every time I run the field, I'm in

1946
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 3: my head, I'm like, can this player stay on the

1947
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 3: field or do they need to come off? And then

1948
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,599
Speaker 3: as soon as I made that decision, if they're staying,

1949
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 3: I just do whatever I need to do to keep

1950
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 3: them on the field. If they're coming off, well then

1951
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Speaker 3: I've got plenty of time to make the next decision

1952
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: because they're coming off. And then it's like do they

1953
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 3: need scams? Do they need time out? Do they need

1954
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: is this gonna you know? And then you just kind

1955
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Speaker 3: of go from there. So that's the way I work.

1956
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Speaker 3: I don't know, that just comes naturally to me to

1957
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Speaker 3: work that way.

1958
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and I can't believe you asked doctor Brandy

1959
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:30,439
Speaker 1: for Sam's rehab plan.

1960
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Speaker 5: I know I tried to do it. I tried to

1961
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 5: say I was government and didn't work.

1962
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Speaker 4: That is so rude. That is over the line, Like, wow.

1963
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Speaker 2: I billions.

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Speaker 3: It's actually, you know, it's actually quite interesting who asks

1965
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Speaker 3: and who doesn't ask.

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: You can you can judge a person's character by what

1967
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:52,120
Speaker 2: they asked.

1968
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 3: For you like someone will people run me Over the

1969
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 3: years my second cousins granddaughter's kid is like a massive fan.

1970
01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 3: Do you think you could organize and meet and greet

1971
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 3: the same the next game?

1972
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Speaker 4: Even do that for my own kids?

1973
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Speaker 1: So, oh my gosh, Well, I'm aware we have gone

1974
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 1: way over time. I feel like I have three to

1975
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 1: four hours slash weeks more of questions for you.

1976
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, like I'll talk forever.

1977
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 4: So yeah, Oh, it's so interesting.

1978
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: It has been so interesting, and I feel like you're

1979
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: just one of the most fascinating. I think you're like

1980
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: genuinely one of my favorite guests. We are and I

1981
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: have both just been like the entire time. We've never

1982
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: spoken the little We've just been captivated the entire time.

1983
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: And Andre's in that pivotal stage, like we've had a

1984
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:39,280
Speaker 1: lot of agonizing, like what do I do with my career?

1985
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:42,439
Speaker 1: How do I combine my love for sport and the

1986
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: physical workings of the body with working with people? And

1987
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you're going to have like a mini

1988
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: me following very very closely perfect maybe pestering you for

1989
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 1: a lot of advice over the next little while.

1990
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Speaker 2: Do whatever makes you, whatever brings you joy. That's that's

1991
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: what all you've got.

1992
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 4: To do and yeah, you're one hundred percent her idol.

1993
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 4: I can see.

1994
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: It's mainly because like Sarah nos shows really.

1995
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 5: You know, like Mariana Kerr and like you know, Gary

1996
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 5: Ve like all these big people on the podcast, which

1997
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,639
Speaker 5: I'm like, really cool and I appreciate their success, but

1998
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 5: I am.

1999
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 2: I am very much more of the The.

2000
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 5: More I can relate to you that the more I'm like,

2001
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,879
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is so awesome.

2002
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Speaker 4: She wants your life. Basically, she wants to be you

2003
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 4: when she grows up.

2004
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:35,680
Speaker 5: Too much of a push up and I'll be like,

2005
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 5: if you want to play, you just play, okay, you all.

2006
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: Just have fun, have a good time. Well, I yeah,

2007
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: I just it has been such a pleasure. I've learned

2008
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 1: so much and we've fallen even more in love with

2009
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: you and are so so grateful for your time.

2010
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Speaker 4: Really, oh thank.

2011
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: You now, as as the medical team will tell you,

2012
01:20:57,080 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 3: I love to talk so anytime.

2013
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:03,880
Speaker 1: And I'm sure like we you know, we had so

2014
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: many more questions about the Tillies, but I feel like

2015
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: there's been you know, everyone's followed along and can can

2016
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: sort of like follow along how how everything went at

2017
01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:14,519
Speaker 1: the World Cup. But finding more about sort of how

2018
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 1: you got here has been really really interesting and very inspiring.

2019
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, and I'm happy to do something else

2020
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: at another time if you want to hear more about

2021
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:22,799
Speaker 3: the World Cup.

2022
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 4: Because yeah, oh my god, I love to talk, so

2023
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 4: stop it. We should do a part two.

2024
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do a part two. That's fine. What you said.

2025
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 4: We're very excited and is just like, oh my god.

2026
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 1: And then we should do a part three that's all

2027
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 1: about just physio and anatomy and medical questions, because I

2028
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 1: feel like a would just froth that.

2029
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Speaker 4: By the end of it, it'll be an eight part series.

2030
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Speaker 2: Let's just have a regular We'll just have a regular moment.

2031
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:55,759
Speaker 2: That's fine.

2032
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,479
Speaker 4: Do you want to join the show for.

2033
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: The rest of the.

2034
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the rest of the end of twenty

2035
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,719
Speaker 1: twenty three season of CCA will be just doctor Brandy

2036
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Speaker 1: focus listeners.

2037
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Speaker 4: I don't think anyone would be upset about that at all.

2038
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you should put the first one out there and

2039
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 2: see and then decide.

2040
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:15,560
Speaker 4: We can do a poll and see. Yeah.

2041
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, now I'm happy to chat again.

2042
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 4: Oh well, thank you so much. Where can everyone find you?

2043
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 1: We didn't even get to the Shire Sports Medicine like

2044
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:24,280
Speaker 1: we didn't even get to all that, so where can

2045
01:22:24,280 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: people find you.

2046
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: It's probably good because I'm booked out for the rest

2047
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 2: of the year and I'm a bit strung out to

2048
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: help everyone, So.

2049
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Speaker 4: We won't put that link in the show notes.

2050
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: I've bought that.

2051
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 3: I've bought a new practice physically to it it all settled.

2052
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: You know, I had to sign my mortgage documents in

2053
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 3: the middle of the world cut my husband had to

2054
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,160
Speaker 3: fly and to sign the docks because we've we've used

2055
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: our medical practice. So yeah, there's so much else going on. Yeah,

2056
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 3: it's called sports medicine. I do do telehealth, but I yeah,

2057
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: my god, I'm just chatting down the hour until I

2058
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 3: have a little break in three weeks with my family

2059
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 3: and then I love.

2060
01:22:55,080 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: Where you can train three times a day. Amazing story, the.

2061
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: Story when this interesting stuff happening, but holiday.

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 4: Which is all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, we'll put the link to your Instagram

2064
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: and website and everything in the show notes, and I

2065
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,240
Speaker 1: hope you make it the next three weeks and then

2066
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,759
Speaker 1: have a glorious break, which is very much deserved.

2067
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. I'm sure we'll talk soon.

2068
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: Okay, so you can see why we need a part two.

2069
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: We obviously wanted to do a deep dive into life

2070
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 1: with the Matildas and behind the scenes of the World Cup,

2071
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: but Doctor Brandy's journey before that was in itself so

2072
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: fascinating and jam packed. I don't think I expected just

2073
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: how much there was to cover. She's such an interesting human.

2074
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,680
Speaker 1: So Doctor Brandy has very generously agreed to jump back

2075
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: on for another chat. She didn't get sick of us.

2076
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 1: I don't know how, but a volume two of this

2077
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: episode will be coming you soon, so stay tuned.

2078
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 4: I say this for all our guests, but especially.

2079
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: As Doctor Brandy has SAIDs to so few interviews and

2080
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,839
Speaker 1: has so generously agreed to share.

2081
01:23:54,600 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 4: Her story with the yighborhood. We're so lucky to have her.

2082
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 4: Please do shower her with theyghborhood love. If you're listening

2083
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 4: along and.

2084
01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 1: If it feels right to share the episode, you can

2085
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: tag at Doctor Underscore Brandy doctor spelt the full way

2086
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,400
Speaker 1: d O Z t O R instead of just d R,

2087
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 1: and follow along on her Instagram as well to learn

2088
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: more about this amazing woman. As always, thank you so

2089
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: much for listening, and I hope you're having a great

2090
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Speaker 1: week and seizing your yay