1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:14,144 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,784 --> 00:00:18,664 Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders 3 00:00:18,744 --> 00:00:26,704 Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on From Mamma Mia. Welcome 4 00:00:26,744 --> 00:00:29,864 Speaker 2: to the Spill your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura 5 00:00:29,864 --> 00:00:32,984 Speaker 2: Brodneck and I'm am Vernon and on the show today, 6 00:00:33,304 --> 00:00:36,424 Speaker 2: Jackie O's memoir is on an on the shelves now 7 00:00:36,504 --> 00:00:38,744 Speaker 2: and there is one celebrity reveal from it that we 8 00:00:38,864 --> 00:00:41,664 Speaker 2: have to talk about it because, as always, there is 9 00:00:41,664 --> 00:00:43,824 Speaker 2: a bigger story there that we need to get into. 10 00:00:44,264 --> 00:00:48,784 Speaker 1: Plus the block, the local story, a little local story. 11 00:00:49,144 --> 00:00:52,104 Speaker 2: The drama on that series has escalated, and we have 12 00:00:52,144 --> 00:00:54,744 Speaker 2: an expert joining us to explain to you exactly what's 13 00:00:54,744 --> 00:00:57,184 Speaker 2: going on, because once you hear it, you'll be like, really, 14 00:00:57,464 --> 00:01:01,144 Speaker 2: that's that seems like a lot. But first, Emily Vernon, 15 00:01:02,264 --> 00:01:03,824 Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you've been out and about, But 16 00:01:03,824 --> 00:01:05,144 Speaker 2: should I tell the listeners the truth? 17 00:01:05,144 --> 00:01:06,944 Speaker 1: This is a safe space. You're a bit hungover today. 18 00:01:07,024 --> 00:01:11,304 Speaker 3: I'm a little hung okay, and I feel like I 19 00:01:11,344 --> 00:01:12,904 Speaker 3: can't be blamed. I feel like a lot of women 20 00:01:12,944 --> 00:01:15,504 Speaker 3: would be a little bit hung today. Yeah, last night 21 00:01:16,504 --> 00:01:20,064 Speaker 3: I had a big night. I think we all mentally 22 00:01:20,104 --> 00:01:23,264 Speaker 3: had a big night. We were watching the election in the office. 23 00:01:23,544 --> 00:01:25,384 Speaker 3: You might have been watching at home. We work in 24 00:01:25,384 --> 00:01:27,864 Speaker 3: a newsroom, so we were all here quite late. It 25 00:01:27,944 --> 00:01:30,304 Speaker 3: got to the point where we realized what was gonna happen, 26 00:01:30,584 --> 00:01:33,904 Speaker 3: so ahead of content, Eliza started pouring us glasses of wine. 27 00:01:33,944 --> 00:01:35,424 Speaker 4: She's like, you guys need this, and we were like, 28 00:01:35,424 --> 00:01:36,184 Speaker 4: thank you very much. 29 00:01:36,584 --> 00:01:40,424 Speaker 3: But then I had a little event later that night, 30 00:01:40,624 --> 00:01:43,344 Speaker 3: which was an event that I feel like every millennial 31 00:01:43,384 --> 00:01:48,344 Speaker 3: woman in Sydney went to. It was in conversation with 32 00:01:48,544 --> 00:01:52,584 Speaker 3: the best selling author Dolly Alderton. She's a UK author. 33 00:01:53,464 --> 00:01:56,064 Speaker 3: You've definitely we've talked about her on the podcast before. 34 00:01:56,144 --> 00:01:59,024 Speaker 3: Absolutely her memoir Everything I Know About Love, that has 35 00:01:59,064 --> 00:02:02,064 Speaker 3: been turned into a TV show on stat is like 36 00:02:02,144 --> 00:02:05,384 Speaker 3: something that I feel like every woman needs to read 37 00:02:05,624 --> 00:02:09,704 Speaker 3: watch like Inhale basically and most women have. But yeah, 38 00:02:09,704 --> 00:02:12,544 Speaker 3: so she'sn't Sydney. She's doing a little like three I 39 00:02:12,544 --> 00:02:15,184 Speaker 3: think it's three nights of talks, like completely sold out 40 00:02:15,184 --> 00:02:15,944 Speaker 3: in the opera house. 41 00:02:15,984 --> 00:02:17,104 Speaker 4: I went last night. 42 00:02:17,664 --> 00:02:22,304 Speaker 3: And it was really weird because we could feel the 43 00:02:22,344 --> 00:02:24,704 Speaker 3: sense of like every woman coming in there feeling like 44 00:02:24,784 --> 00:02:27,584 Speaker 3: this underlining sadness. 45 00:02:27,824 --> 00:02:28,824 Speaker 4: It was still. 46 00:02:28,944 --> 00:02:32,104 Speaker 3: It started just before the election was officially called, but 47 00:02:32,184 --> 00:02:34,664 Speaker 3: we pretty much knew that Donald Trump was gonna win. 48 00:02:35,424 --> 00:02:38,384 Speaker 3: She was being interviewed by Umi Science, who was absolutely amazing, 49 00:02:38,944 --> 00:02:42,824 Speaker 3: and it started off with all of us just doing 50 00:02:43,184 --> 00:02:46,824 Speaker 3: a really big scream. She made us up and was like, 51 00:02:46,864 --> 00:02:49,664 Speaker 3: everyone just screamed, and I immediately felt better. So now 52 00:02:49,704 --> 00:02:51,384 Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask my therapist if we can. 53 00:02:51,744 --> 00:02:53,224 Speaker 1: We should scream before we start the pod. 54 00:02:53,344 --> 00:02:55,704 Speaker 4: We should scream before we start the pod. I'm sure 55 00:02:56,144 --> 00:02:56,464 Speaker 4: we should. 56 00:02:56,464 --> 00:02:58,864 Speaker 2: Just we should just gossip the way we can scream. 57 00:03:00,544 --> 00:03:03,944 Speaker 2: The actual kind of event was just so much fun. 58 00:03:03,984 --> 00:03:07,184 Speaker 2: It just made me feel so much better. She's known 59 00:03:07,224 --> 00:03:09,424 Speaker 2: for like being more like a bit of an agony art, 60 00:03:09,504 --> 00:03:12,064 Speaker 2: especially in the data and relationship space. She gives a 61 00:03:12,064 --> 00:03:14,984 Speaker 2: lot of advice, especially to single women who are dating, 62 00:03:15,224 --> 00:03:18,504 Speaker 2: and like the story she was telling. 63 00:03:18,344 --> 00:03:21,464 Speaker 4: Was absolutely insane. You would have loved it. I wish 64 00:03:21,544 --> 00:03:21,904 Speaker 4: you came. 65 00:03:22,384 --> 00:03:25,224 Speaker 2: I do consume her work to a you know, I'm 66 00:03:25,224 --> 00:03:27,584 Speaker 2: a millennial woman, so you know that's just the law. 67 00:03:27,664 --> 00:03:27,944 Speaker 1: I think. 68 00:03:27,984 --> 00:03:28,824 Speaker 4: I mean into her. 69 00:03:29,584 --> 00:03:32,744 Speaker 2: No, I haven't interviewed her. I've been offered a few times, 70 00:03:32,824 --> 00:03:34,944 Speaker 2: but she's on my interview list as you know, I 71 00:03:34,944 --> 00:03:38,064 Speaker 2: have a few people who are either on TV shows 72 00:03:38,104 --> 00:03:41,224 Speaker 2: I love or who create things I love, and I 73 00:03:41,264 --> 00:03:45,184 Speaker 2: just don't want that safe, comforting space to be ruined 74 00:03:45,624 --> 00:03:48,624 Speaker 2: by having a bad interview. It could even just be 75 00:03:48,704 --> 00:03:51,464 Speaker 2: that maybe I ask a silly question, or we don't 76 00:03:51,544 --> 00:03:54,544 Speaker 2: gel or this sometimes even just the stress of it, 77 00:03:54,664 --> 00:03:57,384 Speaker 2: Like you could interview someone great, but I have been 78 00:03:57,384 --> 00:03:59,104 Speaker 2: offered a few times and I've always outsourced it to 79 00:03:59,144 --> 00:03:59,704 Speaker 2: someone else. 80 00:04:01,144 --> 00:04:02,864 Speaker 1: Sorry to my bosses that it might be listening. 81 00:04:02,624 --> 00:04:04,304 Speaker 3: I can see you guys being like literally best friend. 82 00:04:04,304 --> 00:04:07,784 Speaker 3: She's the type of talker who I feel like she 83 00:04:08,704 --> 00:04:11,464 Speaker 3: that entire conversation, she was directed straight at me. Yeah, 84 00:04:11,504 --> 00:04:12,824 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know what you other girls 85 00:04:12,824 --> 00:04:15,224 Speaker 3: are doing here because this is just one on one situation. 86 00:04:15,824 --> 00:04:18,504 Speaker 3: But it was so fun, Like I think I was 87 00:04:18,544 --> 00:04:21,704 Speaker 3: so happy to not be alone last night and to 88 00:04:22,104 --> 00:04:24,224 Speaker 3: not just be alone but be with like other women 89 00:04:24,504 --> 00:04:25,904 Speaker 3: who are kind of feeling the same thing. 90 00:04:26,104 --> 00:04:27,944 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And I think that's like a 91 00:04:28,024 --> 00:04:30,184 Speaker 2: nice even for like all the women in Australia who 92 00:04:30,224 --> 00:04:32,304 Speaker 2: were listening to this who couldn't get to the Sydney 93 00:04:32,304 --> 00:04:34,064 Speaker 2: Opera House to see that. I think it's just a 94 00:04:34,144 --> 00:04:38,104 Speaker 2: nice reminder about that level of comfort content that's out 95 00:04:38,104 --> 00:04:40,664 Speaker 2: in the world. And obviously comfort content is something that 96 00:04:40,704 --> 00:04:42,824 Speaker 2: we talk a lot about on The Spill, and we've 97 00:04:42,824 --> 00:04:45,424 Speaker 2: dedicated whole episodes to it. But I do think it's 98 00:04:45,424 --> 00:04:48,184 Speaker 2: a reminder of books like hers Everything I Know about Love, 99 00:04:48,544 --> 00:04:51,784 Speaker 2: which is because it's so many comfort things that are 100 00:04:51,824 --> 00:04:54,224 Speaker 2: out there are really based on romance. Like that's the 101 00:04:54,224 --> 00:04:56,424 Speaker 2: same for me, Like so many of my TV shows 102 00:04:56,424 --> 00:04:58,904 Speaker 2: and movies that I recommend are based on you know, 103 00:04:58,904 --> 00:05:00,824 Speaker 2: like they're rom comm's love stories. And I think there's 104 00:05:00,864 --> 00:05:03,224 Speaker 2: a huge place for that, but I think there's also 105 00:05:03,784 --> 00:05:07,504 Speaker 2: a place for comfort content that is based around friendship. 106 00:05:07,584 --> 00:05:09,624 Speaker 2: And I think her TV series Everything and All about Love, 107 00:05:09,664 --> 00:05:11,464 Speaker 2: which we did a whole deep dive episode on, we 108 00:05:11,504 --> 00:05:12,784 Speaker 2: can link in the show notes. 109 00:05:12,864 --> 00:05:13,624 Speaker 1: And her book. 110 00:05:13,784 --> 00:05:16,624 Speaker 2: When I'm recommending books to people, because people are always 111 00:05:16,664 --> 00:05:18,384 Speaker 2: asking for different things that are the top. You know, 112 00:05:18,384 --> 00:05:21,624 Speaker 2: there's always one book on Instagram TikTok that everyone's reading. 113 00:05:21,864 --> 00:05:23,664 Speaker 2: But if you want things outside of that, and you 114 00:05:23,664 --> 00:05:25,944 Speaker 2: want things for a particular mood, I have a system 115 00:05:25,984 --> 00:05:29,464 Speaker 2: called Vodka, Vegetable Chocolate Dude system. 116 00:05:30,424 --> 00:05:33,144 Speaker 3: If you're a reader, this system will change your life 117 00:05:33,144 --> 00:05:36,144 Speaker 3: when it comes to books. I don't know how you 118 00:05:36,304 --> 00:05:39,184 Speaker 3: made that system, but that was when I when I 119 00:05:39,264 --> 00:05:42,184 Speaker 3: read that piece from you, I was like, oh, she's 120 00:05:42,224 --> 00:05:45,584 Speaker 3: so smart that I think that was before we even became. 121 00:05:45,424 --> 00:05:46,504 Speaker 4: Before we became friends. 122 00:05:46,984 --> 00:05:48,664 Speaker 2: It was born out of my friends asking me for 123 00:05:48,784 --> 00:05:50,944 Speaker 2: recommendations for books. And I think books should be very 124 00:05:50,984 --> 00:05:53,304 Speaker 2: much based on a mood, not just because I think, 125 00:05:53,344 --> 00:05:55,024 Speaker 2: especially Na, you can just get swept up and. 126 00:05:54,984 --> 00:05:56,984 Speaker 1: Like, what's the one book I should be reading? 127 00:05:57,304 --> 00:05:59,704 Speaker 2: And so the system is like vodka books, So you know, 128 00:05:59,784 --> 00:06:01,864 Speaker 2: books that are sort of like a thriller or like 129 00:06:01,904 --> 00:06:05,024 Speaker 2: a lot of kind of smuty paranormal romance that's around. 130 00:06:05,184 --> 00:06:07,144 Speaker 2: You got my head up, Yeah, and you want to 131 00:06:07,144 --> 00:06:08,384 Speaker 2: read it all in one night you feel a bit 132 00:06:08,424 --> 00:06:11,384 Speaker 2: hung over the next day. Vegetable books are like ones 133 00:06:11,424 --> 00:06:13,784 Speaker 2: that you feel good for consuming, but there's sometimes not 134 00:06:13,824 --> 00:06:15,784 Speaker 2: always the most enticing, but you know they should be 135 00:06:15,784 --> 00:06:19,664 Speaker 2: in your diet. You do feel really good once you confuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 136 00:06:19,664 --> 00:06:22,704 Speaker 2: and maybe they're a bit more you know, call it yeah. 137 00:06:22,864 --> 00:06:26,824 Speaker 2: And then chocolate books are just pure sweet comfort. And 138 00:06:26,904 --> 00:06:28,224 Speaker 2: I think Dolly all the ten and I have a 139 00:06:28,264 --> 00:06:30,264 Speaker 2: whole list of chocolate books I recommend to people, and 140 00:06:30,264 --> 00:06:33,384 Speaker 2: that's always her memoir Everything I Know about Love is 141 00:06:33,424 --> 00:06:35,064 Speaker 2: always at the top of that list because it's just 142 00:06:35,064 --> 00:06:36,704 Speaker 2: got that so just because it's got the recipes in 143 00:06:36,744 --> 00:06:39,304 Speaker 2: it as well, so good. Any kind of comfort book 144 00:06:39,344 --> 00:06:43,024 Speaker 2: I think has to have like an element of like homeliness, safety, 145 00:06:43,344 --> 00:06:45,424 Speaker 2: and like there's always like descriptions of like you know, 146 00:06:45,704 --> 00:06:48,744 Speaker 2: comfort and food and warmth and all those kind of things. 147 00:06:48,824 --> 00:06:51,944 Speaker 3: So yeah, definitely watch the show and read the book. 148 00:06:52,104 --> 00:06:53,384 Speaker 3: Like I can't recommend them enough. 149 00:06:55,104 --> 00:06:58,944 Speaker 2: Well, speaking of books, Jackie O's new autobiography, The Whole Truth, 150 00:06:58,984 --> 00:07:03,344 Speaker 2: has been released and it really is a very intense 151 00:07:03,384 --> 00:07:06,424 Speaker 2: and really kind of beautifully crafted look at her career 152 00:07:06,744 --> 00:07:09,304 Speaker 2: as one of the top media people in the country, 153 00:07:09,504 --> 00:07:11,584 Speaker 2: one of the top top radio hosts that Australia has 154 00:07:11,584 --> 00:07:15,304 Speaker 2: ever seen. She also talks about, you know, her professional relationships, 155 00:07:15,384 --> 00:07:19,184 Speaker 2: her daughter, her struggle with addiction, and all these different 156 00:07:19,184 --> 00:07:21,624 Speaker 2: elements that have happened behind the scenes of her life. 157 00:07:21,624 --> 00:07:24,584 Speaker 2: And with hosting a daily radio show, you know, so 158 00:07:24,664 --> 00:07:28,384 Speaker 2: many hosts the vision, yeah, exactly, and you're really mining 159 00:07:28,384 --> 00:07:31,104 Speaker 2: your personal life all the time for content and ideas 160 00:07:31,104 --> 00:07:33,824 Speaker 2: and details and having to share everything and even if 161 00:07:33,864 --> 00:07:35,104 Speaker 2: you don't choose to share it. 162 00:07:35,144 --> 00:07:37,384 Speaker 1: If you're Jackie O, you have paparazzi. 163 00:07:37,424 --> 00:07:40,704 Speaker 2: The stories of the paparazzi constantly being camped outside her 164 00:07:40,744 --> 00:07:43,584 Speaker 2: house is so intense. Like, I obviously know she's a 165 00:07:43,584 --> 00:07:46,384 Speaker 2: big celebrity, but at the same time, just looking outside 166 00:07:46,384 --> 00:07:48,584 Speaker 2: and seeing these long lenses coming into your home at 167 00:07:48,624 --> 00:07:51,464 Speaker 2: all stages, even when she's like, I'm literally just sitting 168 00:07:51,504 --> 00:07:52,744 Speaker 2: on the couch, what do you want me to do? 169 00:07:53,224 --> 00:07:55,664 Speaker 2: Is quite intense. So the fact that when this book 170 00:07:55,704 --> 00:07:58,384 Speaker 2: came out it did have so many stories that people 171 00:07:58,424 --> 00:08:01,424 Speaker 2: weren't aware of, I think was really interesting and also 172 00:08:01,504 --> 00:08:04,784 Speaker 2: gave I think a lot of context to different moments 173 00:08:04,824 --> 00:08:07,064 Speaker 2: when she's been in the spotlight and you sort of 174 00:08:07,104 --> 00:08:08,944 Speaker 2: saw one side of her life without knowing what was 175 00:08:08,944 --> 00:08:11,784 Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes. But there is one story in 176 00:08:11,824 --> 00:08:14,104 Speaker 2: there that has really been picked up by a lot 177 00:08:14,104 --> 00:08:15,824 Speaker 2: of news outlets, and I wanted to talk about what 178 00:08:15,944 --> 00:08:18,664 Speaker 2: that was, And it's to do with one Linday. 179 00:08:18,384 --> 00:08:20,744 Speaker 4: Lown our best de Lindsay Lohan. 180 00:08:20,944 --> 00:08:24,064 Speaker 2: So, Lindsay Lohan and Jackie Oh were both on the 181 00:08:24,144 --> 00:08:27,464 Speaker 2: Mark Singer back in twenty nineteen alongside Danny Minogue. 182 00:08:27,464 --> 00:08:28,224 Speaker 1: And Dave Hughes. 183 00:08:28,504 --> 00:08:30,144 Speaker 2: And as you cast your mind back to that time, 184 00:08:30,224 --> 00:08:31,944 Speaker 2: the mask Singer was a huge deal. I mean it 185 00:08:31,984 --> 00:08:33,544 Speaker 2: was a big deal the whole time it was on TV, 186 00:08:33,944 --> 00:08:37,304 Speaker 2: but that first season when it was new to Australia. 187 00:08:36,904 --> 00:08:38,664 Speaker 3: I was like, what the hell, what are these aliens 188 00:08:38,664 --> 00:08:40,024 Speaker 3: and weird fishes doing there? 189 00:08:40,104 --> 00:08:42,384 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and it's such a catchy concept, 190 00:08:42,464 --> 00:08:44,384 Speaker 2: and I think also, you know, you were so just 191 00:08:44,424 --> 00:08:46,624 Speaker 2: people were just dying to know who was going to 192 00:08:46,664 --> 00:08:48,744 Speaker 2: be under each of those masks, and they were also 193 00:08:49,064 --> 00:08:51,744 Speaker 2: very interested in the behind the scenes of the show 194 00:08:51,784 --> 00:08:54,704 Speaker 2: and the chemistry between the hosts, but particularly Lindsay Lown 195 00:08:54,944 --> 00:08:57,704 Speaker 2: because at that time it was coming off those years 196 00:08:58,184 --> 00:09:01,384 Speaker 2: where she had had this, you know, very public downfall, 197 00:09:01,784 --> 00:09:06,264 Speaker 2: multiple arrests, duys, some jail time, house arrest. She became 198 00:09:06,344 --> 00:09:09,544 Speaker 2: unensurable in Hollywood, she was kicked off a number of projects. 199 00:09:09,664 --> 00:09:11,864 Speaker 3: What did you say uninsurable meant again? Because I remember 200 00:09:11,864 --> 00:09:13,824 Speaker 3: that blew my oh. 201 00:09:13,904 --> 00:09:14,104 Speaker 1: Yes. 202 00:09:14,184 --> 00:09:16,384 Speaker 2: So to be able to have a movie made, you 203 00:09:16,424 --> 00:09:18,464 Speaker 2: obviously have to have insurance because it's something goes wrong, 204 00:09:18,504 --> 00:09:20,184 Speaker 2: you'll lose all the money that you put into it. 205 00:09:20,424 --> 00:09:22,944 Speaker 2: So to insure an actor you have to or to 206 00:09:22,984 --> 00:09:24,624 Speaker 2: ensure anyone who's going to work on a project, but 207 00:09:24,704 --> 00:09:27,304 Speaker 2: particularly the lead actor for a project, you have to 208 00:09:27,344 --> 00:09:29,704 Speaker 2: show in good faith that they're in good health, that 209 00:09:29,864 --> 00:09:33,664 Speaker 2: mental capacity they're able to do it. Because if Lindsay 210 00:09:33,704 --> 00:09:35,704 Speaker 2: Lowen just didn't show up one day then and the 211 00:09:35,744 --> 00:09:38,704 Speaker 2: movie couldn't go ahead, they would need to claim insurance. 212 00:09:38,744 --> 00:09:41,704 Speaker 2: But if there's all this evidence that she's not doing 213 00:09:41,704 --> 00:09:44,144 Speaker 2: that anyway, then no company is going to offer insurance, 214 00:09:44,144 --> 00:09:44,864 Speaker 2: if that makes sense. 215 00:09:45,304 --> 00:09:47,904 Speaker 3: So basically her career was taken out of her hands 216 00:09:47,984 --> 00:09:50,304 Speaker 3: when she couldn't be in any movie. Because I remember 217 00:09:50,304 --> 00:09:53,144 Speaker 3: her coming to Australia for the Mass Singer and I 218 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:55,144 Speaker 3: remember going, oh my god, I haven't actually seen her 219 00:09:55,504 --> 00:09:57,424 Speaker 3: in ages, Like I don't had no idea what she 220 00:09:57,504 --> 00:10:00,144 Speaker 3: was doing. And I think I watched that first season 221 00:10:00,184 --> 00:10:02,024 Speaker 3: because I just wanted to see her and see what 222 00:10:02,064 --> 00:10:04,424 Speaker 3: she was like in front of her camera. And I 223 00:10:04,464 --> 00:10:09,624 Speaker 3: remember like, obviously she's an international star, so like her 224 00:10:09,624 --> 00:10:13,184 Speaker 3: guesses were like, is it Brittany, and I'm like. 225 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:14,424 Speaker 1: No, yeah. 226 00:10:14,464 --> 00:10:16,464 Speaker 2: Her coming to Australia, I just remember the time was 227 00:10:16,504 --> 00:10:20,024 Speaker 2: such a huge deal because she had been prior to this, 228 00:10:20,264 --> 00:10:22,264 Speaker 2: you know, one of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and 229 00:10:22,384 --> 00:10:25,864 Speaker 2: especially for our generation with being the star of all 230 00:10:25,904 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 2: the movies we grew up with and then coming into 231 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:29,984 Speaker 2: like teen and adulthood or her being the star of that, 232 00:10:30,424 --> 00:10:31,864 Speaker 2: and for a while there she was like, you know, 233 00:10:31,944 --> 00:10:34,984 Speaker 2: Disney's biggest money maker. And I know also this before 234 00:10:34,984 --> 00:10:37,384 Speaker 2: bet I meet. In this job, I meet a lot 235 00:10:37,384 --> 00:10:39,744 Speaker 2: of famous people and I don't always get that star struck. 236 00:10:39,784 --> 00:10:41,504 Speaker 2: And I only met her very briefly when she was 237 00:10:41,504 --> 00:10:43,504 Speaker 2: an Australian and interview her. It was just in passing, 238 00:10:43,824 --> 00:10:46,544 Speaker 2: but I literally felt like the ground drop out beneath me. 239 00:10:47,064 --> 00:10:48,264 Speaker 1: Well, just because I've grown up. 240 00:10:48,184 --> 00:10:50,504 Speaker 2: Watching her and I was like it's Lindsay Lowitt and like, 241 00:10:50,624 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 2: oh my god, Like I couldn't believe she was standing 242 00:10:53,184 --> 00:10:54,944 Speaker 2: in front of me with her beautiful red hair and 243 00:10:54,984 --> 00:10:56,504 Speaker 2: a perfect skin and a big smile. 244 00:10:57,104 --> 00:10:57,304 Speaker 1: Yeah. 245 00:10:57,344 --> 00:10:59,104 Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people that was like 246 00:10:59,104 --> 00:11:01,624 Speaker 2: a huge kind of cultural moment having her in Australia. 247 00:11:01,664 --> 00:11:04,144 Speaker 2: But the biggest story that was really following her at 248 00:11:04,144 --> 00:11:07,104 Speaker 2: the time was was she going to behave badly on 249 00:11:07,144 --> 00:11:07,544 Speaker 2: the show? 250 00:11:07,944 --> 00:11:09,624 Speaker 1: And that was all the headlines. 251 00:11:09,704 --> 00:11:12,624 Speaker 2: You could see Barazzi were camped outside where they were filming. 252 00:11:13,024 --> 00:11:15,144 Speaker 2: I went to a live taping of The Mask Singer. Yeah, 253 00:11:15,184 --> 00:11:16,344 Speaker 2: I was in one of the promos. 254 00:11:16,584 --> 00:11:18,144 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 255 00:11:17,944 --> 00:11:19,784 Speaker 1: We need to get out of get that anyway. 256 00:11:21,344 --> 00:11:24,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of scrutiny around Lindsay Lohan, And in 257 00:11:24,504 --> 00:11:26,904 Speaker 2: her new book, Jackie OO writes about that and says 258 00:11:27,344 --> 00:11:29,344 Speaker 2: a lot of people were saying that Lindsay had a 259 00:11:29,344 --> 00:11:31,624 Speaker 2: bad work ethic, that she was difficult behind the scenes, 260 00:11:31,664 --> 00:11:34,184 Speaker 2: that she wouldn't show up, and because Jackieo's doing a 261 00:11:34,264 --> 00:11:36,264 Speaker 2: radio show and interviews and all this sort of stuff 262 00:11:36,264 --> 00:11:39,504 Speaker 2: at the same time, she found herself constantly being like 263 00:11:39,544 --> 00:11:41,344 Speaker 2: the one person, the public guy who had to keep 264 00:11:41,384 --> 00:11:43,984 Speaker 2: defending her and jumping in and saying, no, that's not 265 00:11:44,024 --> 00:11:45,904 Speaker 2: the case, you've got it wrong. I haven't seen that 266 00:11:45,904 --> 00:11:48,224 Speaker 2: that story's wrong. So she kind of became the mouthpiece 267 00:11:48,264 --> 00:11:50,224 Speaker 2: for Linday Lowan in Australia, Yeah. 268 00:11:49,944 --> 00:11:52,184 Speaker 3: Because her job would have crossed over, right, So she 269 00:11:52,224 --> 00:11:54,704 Speaker 3: would have been like on the panel for The Mask Singer, 270 00:11:54,744 --> 00:11:57,384 Speaker 3: but at the same time on the radio show interviewing 271 00:11:57,464 --> 00:11:59,464 Speaker 3: like the people who were on the Master as well, 272 00:11:59,504 --> 00:12:02,824 Speaker 3: and holding that different position. And I think with Kyle 273 00:12:02,824 --> 00:12:07,624 Speaker 3: and Jackie O's show, they always look for the comment 274 00:12:07,664 --> 00:12:10,024 Speaker 3: that they know will make headlines. Yeah, and that would 275 00:12:10,024 --> 00:12:12,624 Speaker 3: always would have definitely been something about Linday. 276 00:12:12,424 --> 00:12:15,264 Speaker 2: Lahan And so in the book, she writes that Lindsay 277 00:12:15,384 --> 00:12:17,624 Speaker 2: wasn't in the greatest of places either, but she and 278 00:12:17,664 --> 00:12:20,624 Speaker 2: I got on really well. She was also unstable and 279 00:12:20,664 --> 00:12:23,144 Speaker 2: I probably was too. Pairing us up was a recipe 280 00:12:23,144 --> 00:12:26,624 Speaker 2: for disaster. And then she says that their friendship kind 281 00:12:26,624 --> 00:12:28,504 Speaker 2: of came to a bit of a head when one 282 00:12:28,504 --> 00:12:31,784 Speaker 2: of the eliminated contestants from The Master sing Out, Wendell Saylor, 283 00:12:32,224 --> 00:12:34,664 Speaker 2: came on the Kyle and Jackie O Show and made 284 00:12:34,704 --> 00:12:38,184 Speaker 2: some bad remarks about Lindsay. In the book, Jackie O writes, 285 00:12:38,224 --> 00:12:40,264 Speaker 2: he made an off the cough joke about how we 286 00:12:40,264 --> 00:12:42,224 Speaker 2: were running late for filming because of Lindsay, but he 287 00:12:42,304 --> 00:12:44,624 Speaker 2: moved on to another topic quickly, so I didn't say 288 00:12:44,624 --> 00:12:47,624 Speaker 2: anything to interrupt him. He was kidding anyway, but Lindsay 289 00:12:47,664 --> 00:12:50,184 Speaker 2: heard the segment and decided I hadn't defended her, And 290 00:12:50,224 --> 00:12:51,704 Speaker 2: the next thing I knew, I was on the end 291 00:12:51,704 --> 00:12:53,704 Speaker 2: of a barrage of late night text messages from the 292 00:12:53,744 --> 00:12:56,304 Speaker 2: Hollywood actress about how I'd been a traitor and let 293 00:12:56,304 --> 00:12:58,784 Speaker 2: her down. And then JACKIEO goes on to say that 294 00:12:58,824 --> 00:13:00,584 Speaker 2: this was and she was really in the depths of 295 00:13:00,624 --> 00:13:03,304 Speaker 2: her addiction struggles, which she goes into a lot of 296 00:13:03,344 --> 00:13:06,584 Speaker 2: detail about what that looked like for her in the book, 297 00:13:06,904 --> 00:13:09,144 Speaker 2: and then she says because of that, she gave a 298 00:13:09,224 --> 00:13:12,184 Speaker 2: very heightened and emotion a response back to Lindsay and 299 00:13:12,264 --> 00:13:14,344 Speaker 2: she said, I quickly reached my own flash point of 300 00:13:14,344 --> 00:13:17,624 Speaker 2: annoyance and sent a volley back in her direction. Jackie 301 00:13:17,664 --> 00:13:19,744 Speaker 2: OO said that she was accused of not being a 302 00:13:19,744 --> 00:13:23,464 Speaker 2: girl's girl, which, as we've said before, the greatest insult 303 00:13:23,664 --> 00:13:24,984 Speaker 2: you can level someone. 304 00:13:25,904 --> 00:13:27,864 Speaker 4: I shiver every time I hear that. 305 00:13:28,064 --> 00:13:29,584 Speaker 1: I know, you just sank down your chair. 306 00:13:29,824 --> 00:13:33,944 Speaker 3: Think anyone who got like in the like deepest of 307 00:13:33,984 --> 00:13:35,464 Speaker 3: their core knows they're a girl's girl. 308 00:13:35,464 --> 00:13:39,104 Speaker 4: If someone says that that that you're not, I I'm done. 309 00:13:39,184 --> 00:13:39,504 Speaker 4: I'm done. 310 00:13:39,504 --> 00:13:41,064 Speaker 2: It is the worst thing a woman can say to 311 00:13:41,064 --> 00:13:43,344 Speaker 2: another woman. I'm just gonna be blink and say that 312 00:13:43,544 --> 00:13:46,104 Speaker 2: because it just hurts this like, yeah, primal thing that 313 00:13:46,144 --> 00:13:48,304 Speaker 2: you have deep in your soul. And Jackie felt the 314 00:13:48,304 --> 00:13:50,344 Speaker 2: same way because she said, I took great offense to that, 315 00:13:50,424 --> 00:13:52,624 Speaker 2: and I let her have it. And then she said 316 00:13:52,664 --> 00:13:54,824 Speaker 2: in the book that she she really regretted it, and 317 00:13:54,864 --> 00:13:56,744 Speaker 2: she did say it faded quickly, so it wasn't this 318 00:13:57,064 --> 00:13:59,904 Speaker 2: ongoing drama that ethink it could have been made out 319 00:13:59,944 --> 00:14:01,784 Speaker 2: to be like they had a moment. They were both 320 00:14:01,784 --> 00:14:04,984 Speaker 2: in difficult place, they were both under scrutiny, they sorted 321 00:14:04,984 --> 00:14:07,424 Speaker 2: it out behind the scenes. But why I think it's 322 00:14:07,584 --> 00:14:09,984 Speaker 2: really interesting that Jackie Oo put that in the book. 323 00:14:10,024 --> 00:14:11,544 Speaker 2: I mean, she's kind of put everything on the table 324 00:14:11,544 --> 00:14:13,864 Speaker 2: with his books. Not makes sense, but I think like 325 00:14:13,984 --> 00:14:16,624 Speaker 2: she would have known how much that story would have 326 00:14:16,664 --> 00:14:19,104 Speaker 2: been picked up, because, as we always say now, as 327 00:14:19,144 --> 00:14:21,184 Speaker 2: I was talking with the Wicked Stars the other day, 328 00:14:21,424 --> 00:14:25,904 Speaker 2: there's nothing that people gravitate towards more with media, with 329 00:14:25,984 --> 00:14:29,304 Speaker 2: social media posts, with conversation than two famous women having 330 00:14:29,344 --> 00:14:31,424 Speaker 2: an issue between them and trying to work out, you know, 331 00:14:31,464 --> 00:14:33,864 Speaker 2: who's the villain and who said what. And I think 332 00:14:33,864 --> 00:14:35,624 Speaker 2: that's why this is one of the stories that's been 333 00:14:35,664 --> 00:14:37,464 Speaker 2: picked up, and she would have known that. But I 334 00:14:37,464 --> 00:14:40,384 Speaker 2: think it always also goes to show that it's not 335 00:14:40,424 --> 00:14:43,264 Speaker 2: sort of painting this perfect picture of these two women 336 00:14:43,304 --> 00:14:45,264 Speaker 2: working together. It's saying like, yeah, we had shit behind 337 00:14:45,264 --> 00:14:46,984 Speaker 2: the scenes, and we worked it out and we moved on, 338 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:49,264 Speaker 2: and you guys didn't even know that was happening. 339 00:14:49,504 --> 00:14:52,184 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, but it's true, like she would have 340 00:14:52,344 --> 00:14:55,624 Speaker 3: known that that would have been headlines because every woman 341 00:14:55,664 --> 00:14:58,744 Speaker 3: in the industry knows that if there's any like sort 342 00:14:58,744 --> 00:15:01,704 Speaker 3: of like glitch between another woman like that would be 343 00:15:01,784 --> 00:15:05,864 Speaker 3: the biggest story. Which is also what confused me when 344 00:15:06,144 --> 00:15:09,824 Speaker 3: she talked about the radio show, because knowing that, and 345 00:15:09,944 --> 00:15:12,704 Speaker 3: it's not just like she explained Lindsay as like a coworker. 346 00:15:12,784 --> 00:15:15,344 Speaker 3: She explained that her and Lindy were actual friends. 347 00:15:16,264 --> 00:15:17,544 Speaker 4: And it's weird. 348 00:15:17,664 --> 00:15:21,784 Speaker 3: I'd like, obviously not taking sides, but if someone said, 349 00:15:21,864 --> 00:15:25,104 Speaker 3: like made an offhand comment about my friend, regardless how 350 00:15:25,144 --> 00:15:27,264 Speaker 3: big the comment was, regardless how quick they moved on, 351 00:15:28,144 --> 00:15:30,464 Speaker 3: knowing that I'm the only person who will stand up 352 00:15:30,504 --> 00:15:32,464 Speaker 3: for that woman, there's no way I would not. 353 00:15:32,424 --> 00:15:33,184 Speaker 4: Have said anything. 354 00:15:33,864 --> 00:15:35,584 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, do you want to neither, Like, there's 355 00:15:35,624 --> 00:15:36,784 Speaker 1: no way. I actually don't know. 356 00:15:36,824 --> 00:15:38,504 Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have on a in 357 00:15:38,864 --> 00:15:40,464 Speaker 2: that moment, Like I'd like to think that I would 358 00:15:40,504 --> 00:15:42,024 Speaker 2: have been like, hey, can we go back, But I 359 00:15:42,064 --> 00:15:44,304 Speaker 2: also think I know what sometimes what it's like when 360 00:15:44,344 --> 00:15:46,744 Speaker 2: the conversation moves on really quickly. You're on live radio, 361 00:15:47,304 --> 00:15:49,584 Speaker 2: you you know what I mean, like the the and 362 00:15:49,624 --> 00:15:51,464 Speaker 2: if in her head in the book and in her 363 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:54,944 Speaker 2: head she's saying that the dope passed so quickly, and 364 00:15:54,984 --> 00:15:57,184 Speaker 2: she could also tell it was a joke. And I 365 00:15:57,184 --> 00:15:59,064 Speaker 2: think also it just depends, like I don't want to 366 00:15:59,144 --> 00:16:01,104 Speaker 2: kind of like read into Linda law in situation. I 367 00:16:01,104 --> 00:16:02,824 Speaker 2: don't know her apart from that one hello we had 368 00:16:02,864 --> 00:16:05,744 Speaker 2: that time, but she if she's looking online every day 369 00:16:05,784 --> 00:16:09,624 Speaker 2: and she's seeing article after article after article around like 370 00:16:09,744 --> 00:16:12,584 Speaker 2: how bad her behavior is behind the scenes and it's 371 00:16:12,584 --> 00:16:15,784 Speaker 2: all allegations, it would be more heightened. Whereas if she 372 00:16:15,864 --> 00:16:18,464 Speaker 2: had seen that segment with Jackie and Wendel Saylor when 373 00:16:18,464 --> 00:16:20,424 Speaker 2: she was in that headspace, she would have been like, oh, 374 00:16:20,464 --> 00:16:21,544 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a bit of a shit joke, but 375 00:16:21,584 --> 00:16:22,464 Speaker 2: I get it, you know what I mean, Like, I 376 00:16:22,504 --> 00:16:22,864 Speaker 2: think it's. 377 00:16:22,744 --> 00:16:25,984 Speaker 4: All very circumstantial. Friend, like I understand. 378 00:16:26,064 --> 00:16:28,184 Speaker 3: Lindsay definitely would have been seeing the headlines and then 379 00:16:28,184 --> 00:16:31,104 Speaker 3: she would have seen that like Jackie o's interviewing this person. 380 00:16:31,344 --> 00:16:33,144 Speaker 3: But Jackie is my friend, so that will be safe. 381 00:16:33,224 --> 00:16:35,144 Speaker 3: I don't need to worry about that. And then she 382 00:16:35,144 --> 00:16:35,984 Speaker 3: had to worry about it. 383 00:16:36,144 --> 00:16:37,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I do get it. 384 00:16:37,344 --> 00:16:38,744 Speaker 2: And I think it's all coming up to being like 385 00:16:38,784 --> 00:16:41,424 Speaker 2: a huge heightened time because there's a lot of other 386 00:16:41,464 --> 00:16:44,264 Speaker 2: people involved in that show. But so everything, all the 387 00:16:44,264 --> 00:16:46,984 Speaker 2: news coverage and all the allegations of drama were all 388 00:16:47,024 --> 00:16:49,544 Speaker 2: centered on Lindsay and Jackie O's so I think also 389 00:16:50,144 --> 00:16:52,784 Speaker 2: it's a much more of a fraught time for them, 390 00:16:52,904 --> 00:16:56,544 Speaker 2: So everything's crazy heightened. Yeah, I just I don't know. 391 00:16:56,624 --> 00:16:57,904 Speaker 2: You think you want to be famous, but then you 392 00:16:57,904 --> 00:16:59,704 Speaker 2: see stuff like that and you're like, oh, I just 393 00:16:59,824 --> 00:17:03,344 Speaker 2: don't have friends. It seems like friends friend. Well, Jackieo's book, 394 00:17:03,384 --> 00:17:06,384 Speaker 2: The Whole Truth is out now. We've also done quite 395 00:17:06,384 --> 00:17:08,424 Speaker 2: a lot of coverage on Mum and Mia around stories 396 00:17:08,424 --> 00:17:09,784 Speaker 2: from the book, and we will link those in the 397 00:17:09,784 --> 00:17:10,304 Speaker 2: show notes. 398 00:17:10,584 --> 00:17:11,144 Speaker 4: Nana Na Na. 399 00:17:12,104 --> 00:17:15,024 Speaker 3: So we've got a bit of a local story here 400 00:17:15,064 --> 00:17:17,264 Speaker 3: on the Spill, which we haven't done in a really, 401 00:17:17,344 --> 00:17:22,544 Speaker 3: really long time. But something's been happening with the reality 402 00:17:22,664 --> 00:17:27,024 Speaker 3: TV show The Block. And I'm very confused because I 403 00:17:27,104 --> 00:17:29,104 Speaker 3: thought all the scandals that happened on the Block had 404 00:17:29,144 --> 00:17:32,784 Speaker 3: to do it like scaffolding and like arguing over paintings, 405 00:17:32,864 --> 00:17:36,384 Speaker 3: but apparently it's gone wild with the actual contestants that 406 00:17:36,424 --> 00:17:39,024 Speaker 3: are on the show this season, so we've had to 407 00:17:39,024 --> 00:17:41,984 Speaker 3: pull in the big ropes. We have Mamma MIA's entertainment 408 00:17:42,224 --> 00:17:45,504 Speaker 3: editor Tina Burke here with us today because LB and 409 00:17:45,544 --> 00:17:49,104 Speaker 3: I have not hear what's going on. Tina, I heard 410 00:17:49,104 --> 00:17:51,224 Speaker 3: there's a lot of scandals happening right now. 411 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:53,024 Speaker 4: Can you take us back to the beginning. How did 412 00:17:53,064 --> 00:17:55,264 Speaker 4: this start? Why is it all over my social media feeds? 413 00:17:55,504 --> 00:17:57,744 Speaker 5: I sure can so. I feel like the Block this 414 00:17:57,824 --> 00:18:00,184 Speaker 5: season was in three parts of drama, Like we had 415 00:18:00,184 --> 00:18:01,184 Speaker 5: like three different scenes. 416 00:18:01,224 --> 00:18:03,464 Speaker 2: We love a three part drama, like a three part play. 417 00:18:03,464 --> 00:18:04,504 Speaker 2: It's very Shakespearean. 418 00:18:04,744 --> 00:18:06,984 Speaker 5: It is, yes, and like as you said, the drama 419 00:18:06,984 --> 00:18:09,224 Speaker 5: this season is not about the scaffolding. It is about 420 00:18:09,264 --> 00:18:11,904 Speaker 5: all of the chaos. So what we started off with 421 00:18:12,144 --> 00:18:15,624 Speaker 5: was this couple called Page and Jesse, and so from 422 00:18:15,664 --> 00:18:18,224 Speaker 5: the get go, they were just not not having a 423 00:18:18,264 --> 00:18:18,704 Speaker 5: good time. 424 00:18:18,864 --> 00:18:20,504 Speaker 1: They didn't like the block and it wasn't for them 425 00:18:20,504 --> 00:18:21,224 Speaker 1: the stress. 426 00:18:20,904 --> 00:18:22,624 Speaker 2: Of the We think when they knew what the Block 427 00:18:22,704 --> 00:18:25,544 Speaker 2: was before they signed up, or they were just surprised. 428 00:18:25,024 --> 00:18:25,544 Speaker 1: By the show. 429 00:18:25,704 --> 00:18:27,784 Speaker 5: I think people see how much money you can win, 430 00:18:28,064 --> 00:18:29,864 Speaker 5: and the idea that you could maybe like like she 431 00:18:29,904 --> 00:18:31,624 Speaker 5: had a Pinterest board and she was talking about like 432 00:18:31,624 --> 00:18:33,824 Speaker 5: coastal grandmother, chic vibes, and. 433 00:18:33,664 --> 00:18:37,384 Speaker 1: She's just like us, you and me going on the block. Honestly, 434 00:18:37,424 --> 00:18:38,744 Speaker 1: it would have been me on the block as well. 435 00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:39,904 Speaker 1: All vibes, no plans. 436 00:18:39,984 --> 00:18:42,584 Speaker 5: Yeah, So she had a lot of vibes and I 437 00:18:42,624 --> 00:18:44,144 Speaker 5: think they just like did not have a good time. 438 00:18:44,184 --> 00:18:45,744 Speaker 5: And he was a trade himself, so I think he 439 00:18:45,744 --> 00:18:48,104 Speaker 5: felt really disappointed in himself for how he was going. 440 00:18:48,184 --> 00:18:49,144 Speaker 4: And they were a couple. 441 00:18:49,224 --> 00:18:50,704 Speaker 1: They were a couple and they were. 442 00:18:50,544 --> 00:18:53,824 Speaker 5: Engaged and they still are engaged, but they have postponed 443 00:18:53,864 --> 00:19:00,224 Speaker 5: their wedding because the houses already Oh, Emily no, because 444 00:19:00,264 --> 00:19:02,304 Speaker 5: of the stress. I think they've kind of they've been 445 00:19:02,344 --> 00:19:04,264 Speaker 5: a little bit coy about the reasoning. Yeah, but they 446 00:19:04,264 --> 00:19:05,704 Speaker 5: have sort of said, yeah, look, the stress of this 447 00:19:05,784 --> 00:19:07,224 Speaker 5: year got to them, and it got to them on 448 00:19:07,264 --> 00:19:09,184 Speaker 5: the block. And so what they did was they pulled 449 00:19:09,224 --> 00:19:12,344 Speaker 5: out about not even halfway through. So the producers kind 450 00:19:12,344 --> 00:19:13,904 Speaker 5: of stepped in and spoke to them and said, like, 451 00:19:13,984 --> 00:19:16,264 Speaker 5: you guys are clearly struggling and it's not going well 452 00:19:16,304 --> 00:19:18,704 Speaker 5: for you. Let's get you some help and let's get 453 00:19:18,704 --> 00:19:22,024 Speaker 5: you speaking to some people because the tension was just rife. 454 00:19:22,504 --> 00:19:25,544 Speaker 3: I was like affecting their relationship situation. So they're out 455 00:19:25,624 --> 00:19:26,024 Speaker 3: of the show. 456 00:19:26,064 --> 00:19:26,864 Speaker 1: They're out. They're out. 457 00:19:26,904 --> 00:19:28,744 Speaker 5: So they left the show and they got replaced by 458 00:19:28,784 --> 00:19:31,464 Speaker 5: these really beautiful young sisters, Maddie and Charlotte, who are 459 00:19:31,504 --> 00:19:34,064 Speaker 5: very sweet and very new and who do actually have 460 00:19:34,144 --> 00:19:37,584 Speaker 5: experienced flipping houses. But they did not upfront tell everyone 461 00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:42,224 Speaker 5: about that. Oh so their entry kind of mad to 462 00:19:42,264 --> 00:19:45,264 Speaker 5: have experience. Everyone on this season does. So every single 463 00:19:45,264 --> 00:19:47,264 Speaker 5: team this season has some kind of trade, whether that's 464 00:19:47,304 --> 00:19:49,304 Speaker 5: like a plumber or a carpenter. Well, they've all got 465 00:19:49,304 --> 00:19:52,104 Speaker 5: some sort of competitive edge in this space. But the 466 00:19:52,144 --> 00:19:55,624 Speaker 5: girls didn't disclose straight away that they have flipped houses 467 00:19:55,664 --> 00:19:57,304 Speaker 5: because it's not actually their full time jobs. 468 00:19:57,344 --> 00:19:58,864 Speaker 1: So they were asked what they do for a living. 469 00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:01,624 Speaker 5: They said they worked in like the finance space, and 470 00:20:01,664 --> 00:20:04,704 Speaker 5: then they were later found out to be flipping houses on. 471 00:20:04,664 --> 00:20:05,464 Speaker 1: The site as well. 472 00:20:05,624 --> 00:20:09,704 Speaker 5: Scandal, scandal, But did anyone even take time to get 473 00:20:09,784 --> 00:20:10,304 Speaker 5: to know the girl? 474 00:20:10,344 --> 00:20:12,624 Speaker 2: I was long enough to ask them that question. Not really, Okay, 475 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:16,104 Speaker 2: so people have forbid, women have hobbies. Oh god, let 476 00:20:16,104 --> 00:20:17,144 Speaker 2: a girl have some fun. 477 00:20:17,264 --> 00:20:19,104 Speaker 5: So on the side, they've been doing this, and it 478 00:20:19,184 --> 00:20:20,944 Speaker 5: kind of got revealed and became this big thing where 479 00:20:20,944 --> 00:20:22,344 Speaker 5: it was a bit of a witch hunt. Everyone was like, 480 00:20:22,344 --> 00:20:25,664 Speaker 5: we're exposing them for the lie, and Kylie was kind 481 00:20:25,704 --> 00:20:27,504 Speaker 5: of at the front of that witch hunt. 482 00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:29,664 Speaker 2: Oh my god, did they have pitchforks and tortues. That's 483 00:20:29,664 --> 00:20:31,544 Speaker 2: why i'm i'm and I imagine the scene from Being 484 00:20:31,624 --> 00:20:33,424 Speaker 2: the Beast where they like go to kill the Beast 485 00:20:33,464 --> 00:20:35,224 Speaker 2: and they marched to the village or like that. 486 00:20:35,624 --> 00:20:38,464 Speaker 5: It had that energy, honestly, like it felt. I think 487 00:20:38,544 --> 00:20:40,024 Speaker 5: a lot of viewers felt like it was just blowing 488 00:20:40,024 --> 00:20:42,624 Speaker 5: it out of proportion and what did they really do wrong? 489 00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:44,424 Speaker 1: What have they done? That's a big problem me. 490 00:20:44,504 --> 00:20:46,344 Speaker 4: Smart women, yeah, to. 491 00:20:46,344 --> 00:20:47,664 Speaker 1: Be talented and successful. 492 00:20:47,744 --> 00:20:50,224 Speaker 5: God, but it led to things like Kylie would storm 493 00:20:50,224 --> 00:20:52,024 Speaker 5: out of a dinner if they were a mid conversation 494 00:20:52,104 --> 00:20:53,864 Speaker 5: about like what they did for a living, or they 495 00:20:53,864 --> 00:20:55,504 Speaker 5: tried to kind of bury the hatchet a few times 496 00:20:55,504 --> 00:20:57,184 Speaker 5: and it just never went their way. And the girls 497 00:20:57,184 --> 00:20:59,704 Speaker 5: have said since you know that seeing all of this 498 00:20:59,744 --> 00:21:02,104 Speaker 5: play out on screen is a little bit traumatizing for them. 499 00:21:02,104 --> 00:21:03,824 Speaker 1: Of course they're very upset still. 500 00:21:03,864 --> 00:21:06,864 Speaker 5: So it definitely wasn't a stage situation like they were 501 00:21:06,904 --> 00:21:09,584 Speaker 5: not having fun and Kylie was pretty much the ring 502 00:21:09,664 --> 00:21:12,384 Speaker 5: leader of that a lot of ways. So the public 503 00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:15,184 Speaker 5: has not been vibing with Kylie, who is out you know, 504 00:21:15,264 --> 00:21:17,464 Speaker 5: green haired friend. For anyone who's wondering and seeing the 505 00:21:17,504 --> 00:21:21,184 Speaker 5: pictures Floro Green, she's got you know, stunning long looks 506 00:21:21,184 --> 00:21:23,344 Speaker 5: at a Floro green, which means she's very easy to 507 00:21:23,384 --> 00:21:28,864 Speaker 5: spot when she is fleeing the scene. She's done running girl. 508 00:21:30,064 --> 00:21:32,544 Speaker 5: So what's kind of happened in this past few weeks 509 00:21:32,824 --> 00:21:36,464 Speaker 5: is that they were doing their backyard week and you know, 510 00:21:36,624 --> 00:21:38,864 Speaker 5: often that will go late into the evening, so Kylie, 511 00:21:38,984 --> 00:21:44,024 Speaker 5: I didn't know that lock intel. So sometimes they're kind 512 00:21:44,024 --> 00:21:45,664 Speaker 5: of allowed to continue on in the evenings if they 513 00:21:45,664 --> 00:21:47,544 Speaker 5: haven't finished stuff, so long as it's not making noise. 514 00:21:47,864 --> 00:21:50,504 Speaker 5: So what happened late one evening was that Mimi and 515 00:21:50,584 --> 00:21:52,864 Speaker 5: other contestant came to hang out with Kylie and her 516 00:21:52,944 --> 00:21:56,584 Speaker 5: husband Brad, and Kylie, you know, she's had a long day, 517 00:21:56,624 --> 00:21:58,664 Speaker 5: she decided to take a little nap, so she took 518 00:21:58,704 --> 00:22:00,784 Speaker 5: a nap on the deck unto this weird little tar 519 00:22:00,864 --> 00:22:02,984 Speaker 5: pole in and while she was napping. 520 00:22:02,744 --> 00:22:04,064 Speaker 4: Would you not go inside? 521 00:22:04,984 --> 00:22:06,904 Speaker 5: I'm questioning if maybe she was already a little bit 522 00:22:06,904 --> 00:22:09,784 Speaker 5: suspicious based on some stuff that's come out since. 523 00:22:09,824 --> 00:22:10,304 Speaker 1: But she was. 524 00:22:10,424 --> 00:22:12,704 Speaker 5: She had a little nap on the deck, and while 525 00:22:12,704 --> 00:22:15,504 Speaker 5: she was napping, her husband Brad started flirting with me. 526 00:22:18,024 --> 00:22:18,864 Speaker 1: She's loving this. 527 00:22:19,264 --> 00:22:19,624 Speaker 3: Whoa. 528 00:22:20,704 --> 00:22:22,864 Speaker 1: And she was under the top. She was under her 529 00:22:22,864 --> 00:22:23,624 Speaker 1: weird little top. 530 00:22:25,064 --> 00:22:26,664 Speaker 4: I obviously didn't know she was in the top. 531 00:22:26,944 --> 00:22:28,584 Speaker 1: They knew she was there. She was right next to them. 532 00:22:28,744 --> 00:22:30,584 Speaker 4: They were on her face. 533 00:22:30,584 --> 00:22:32,424 Speaker 5: In front of her top, in front of the top, 534 00:22:34,264 --> 00:22:38,224 Speaker 5: the sleeping beauty, sleeping tap. So she's there napping. She 535 00:22:38,264 --> 00:22:41,904 Speaker 5: obviously wakes up and hears an element. Whether she hears 536 00:22:41,904 --> 00:22:43,944 Speaker 5: the whole thing or not, we're not entirely sure. 537 00:22:43,984 --> 00:22:46,864 Speaker 4: But she did they actually do any cheating behavior. 538 00:22:47,504 --> 00:22:51,344 Speaker 1: There was no cheating. I love how carefully you're choosing 539 00:22:51,344 --> 00:22:52,184 Speaker 1: your words right now. 540 00:22:52,264 --> 00:22:55,864 Speaker 5: There was definite flirting, and everyone admitted to flirting. 541 00:22:56,144 --> 00:22:58,264 Speaker 4: So the flirting count is like emotional cheating. 542 00:22:58,624 --> 00:23:01,624 Speaker 5: Yes, okay, in this context. I think it was seen 543 00:23:01,664 --> 00:23:04,104 Speaker 5: that way for sure. So what Scottie thinking of all 544 00:23:04,104 --> 00:23:04,264 Speaker 5: of this? 545 00:23:05,704 --> 00:23:12,024 Speaker 1: Is not happy, not impressed doing this. Scotty's like, We've 546 00:23:12,024 --> 00:23:14,064 Speaker 1: got a job to finish. Can everyone get. 547 00:23:13,944 --> 00:23:16,464 Speaker 5: Back on the clock. But so she's woken up, she's 548 00:23:16,504 --> 00:23:18,984 Speaker 5: heard some stuff. What we see as you is is 549 00:23:19,024 --> 00:23:20,824 Speaker 5: that you know, she's mysteriously disappeared. 550 00:23:21,064 --> 00:23:24,224 Speaker 1: What's happened? Where's Kylie gone? Brad's confused, She's like a 551 00:23:24,264 --> 00:23:25,224 Speaker 1: tunnel under the top. 552 00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:28,824 Speaker 5: And we hear her have a conversation with her mum 553 00:23:28,824 --> 00:23:31,584 Speaker 5: in the car where she basically gives her mom the rundown, 554 00:23:31,784 --> 00:23:33,584 Speaker 5: and she's obviously very upset, and she kind of starts 555 00:23:33,584 --> 00:23:35,064 Speaker 5: were saying like, oh, I don't I don't want to 556 00:23:35,104 --> 00:23:36,744 Speaker 5: get into it in front of the cameras, and that 557 00:23:36,864 --> 00:23:38,944 Speaker 5: she does, because it's very easy to forget when you're 558 00:23:38,984 --> 00:23:39,424 Speaker 5: upset that. 559 00:23:40,784 --> 00:23:41,584 Speaker 1: We need to get a camera. 560 00:23:42,144 --> 00:23:44,464 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like coming through the car window. And also 561 00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:45,864 Speaker 2: when she start telling your mom, you just got to 562 00:23:45,904 --> 00:23:46,384 Speaker 2: let it, you. 563 00:23:46,304 --> 00:23:47,824 Speaker 5: Gotta let it out, and she does, and so she 564 00:23:47,904 --> 00:23:49,824 Speaker 5: kind of filled her mom in that. One of the 565 00:23:49,824 --> 00:23:52,184 Speaker 5: things that Brad said was that you know, if mim 566 00:23:52,184 --> 00:23:54,864 Speaker 5: me potentially theoretically had an only fans, that he would 567 00:23:54,904 --> 00:24:01,664 Speaker 5: watch her. What hello, And it's very happy she doesn't 568 00:24:01,664 --> 00:24:03,304 Speaker 5: have one, by the way, Like this was it how 569 00:24:03,384 --> 00:24:04,544 Speaker 5: manly conversations? 570 00:24:04,624 --> 00:24:06,864 Speaker 1: Now, if you had an only fans, I'd watch it like. 571 00:24:06,824 --> 00:24:09,704 Speaker 4: No, shit, my god, I haven't flirting wrong this whole time. 572 00:24:09,784 --> 00:24:09,984 Speaker 2: I know. 573 00:24:10,624 --> 00:24:12,664 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's how you flirt, and like that's what's fun 574 00:24:12,704 --> 00:24:13,064 Speaker 5: and cool. 575 00:24:13,144 --> 00:24:15,664 Speaker 3: Now does she have an only fan? 576 00:24:15,424 --> 00:24:17,944 Speaker 1: I mean, you're the wrong story here. 577 00:24:19,984 --> 00:24:22,064 Speaker 5: But so he said that to her. There's also like 578 00:24:22,264 --> 00:24:24,744 Speaker 5: we've we've seen since some little clips and pieces, you know. 579 00:24:24,824 --> 00:24:27,104 Speaker 5: She was like, if I, you know, was tossed in 580 00:24:27,104 --> 00:24:29,384 Speaker 5: the air, could you catch me? And like some some 581 00:24:29,504 --> 00:24:34,704 Speaker 5: really me Yeah, some flirty moments for sure. And obviously 582 00:24:35,544 --> 00:24:39,024 Speaker 5: Mimi's partner, like her partner is Christian, and he's fine 583 00:24:39,024 --> 00:24:41,864 Speaker 5: with all of this. He's chill, he doesn't care to. 584 00:24:41,864 --> 00:24:46,704 Speaker 2: Be Christian, uncomplicated man, just going through life, unbothered. 585 00:24:46,744 --> 00:24:51,704 Speaker 5: King Like he's just like, oh, well happens, doesn't it, So. 586 00:24:51,704 --> 00:24:52,704 Speaker 4: What's gonna happen now? 587 00:24:53,224 --> 00:24:55,224 Speaker 5: So what did happen? Is that the lord of the 588 00:24:55,264 --> 00:24:57,944 Speaker 5: story and we're not done. We're not just within the 589 00:24:57,944 --> 00:25:03,424 Speaker 5: three parts saga. This is like the subheadings, the subplot 590 00:25:03,504 --> 00:25:04,024 Speaker 5: cliff notes. 591 00:25:04,104 --> 00:25:06,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Kylie obviously left and she did live. 592 00:25:06,264 --> 00:25:07,624 Speaker 5: She went back to Cans. She was like, I'm done, 593 00:25:07,664 --> 00:25:09,704 Speaker 5: I'm not doing this show. Where she left the show, 594 00:25:09,744 --> 00:25:10,304 Speaker 5: she left the show. 595 00:25:10,504 --> 00:25:12,064 Speaker 4: Wow, So that's three people out. 596 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:15,464 Speaker 1: Yeah, so she left the show and then she came back. 597 00:25:15,544 --> 00:25:17,744 Speaker 1: Oh oh plot b plot twist. 598 00:25:17,824 --> 00:25:19,984 Speaker 5: So Scottie Cam was like, oh, she's coming back, Brad, 599 00:25:20,024 --> 00:25:20,904 Speaker 5: your wife's coming back. 600 00:25:20,904 --> 00:25:24,944 Speaker 1: And Brad's there thinking, right, where's. 601 00:25:24,664 --> 00:25:27,304 Speaker 3: She gone, Scotty, what happened to my wife? 602 00:25:29,024 --> 00:25:31,344 Speaker 2: Scott's like having to channel Usher and be like, so 603 00:25:31,424 --> 00:25:34,664 Speaker 2: this is a situation with the relationship and. 604 00:25:34,624 --> 00:25:35,384 Speaker 4: Get Brad arose. 605 00:25:36,664 --> 00:25:38,864 Speaker 5: Eddie prepped him and maybe didn't prep him fully because 606 00:25:38,904 --> 00:25:40,784 Speaker 5: Brad kinda was like, oh, she's back, great, and she 607 00:25:40,864 --> 00:25:42,904 Speaker 5: was like, no, I'm here to lay down the law. 608 00:25:43,464 --> 00:25:45,824 Speaker 5: So she came back on kind of the premise that like, 609 00:25:45,944 --> 00:25:48,104 Speaker 5: I'm back because we could make a lot of money, 610 00:25:48,144 --> 00:25:51,304 Speaker 5: but yeah, but we are for all intensive purposes single, 611 00:25:51,344 --> 00:25:53,304 Speaker 5: Like we're not together. So we're going to do this 612 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:54,664 Speaker 5: final week but we're not together. 613 00:25:55,144 --> 00:25:56,104 Speaker 1: What abshell? 614 00:25:56,224 --> 00:25:58,864 Speaker 2: But also to win so badly, but also great for 615 00:25:58,904 --> 00:26:00,384 Speaker 2: her for coming back and being like, no, I want 616 00:26:00,384 --> 00:26:02,544 Speaker 2: the money, I'm laying down the law. Of course, she's 617 00:26:02,544 --> 00:26:03,904 Speaker 2: from kens It's hard for me to say that it's 618 00:26:03,904 --> 00:26:06,224 Speaker 2: a towncilpersons with a rivalry, but I'll give her this one. 619 00:26:06,224 --> 00:26:06,864 Speaker 1: That's a strong woman. 620 00:26:06,944 --> 00:26:08,264 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then she takes all the money. 621 00:26:08,824 --> 00:26:10,104 Speaker 5: I don't know if it's gonna work like that, but 622 00:26:10,824 --> 00:26:13,864 Speaker 5: because there's more, so they persevered through this week where 623 00:26:13,904 --> 00:26:16,744 Speaker 5: she's like, done with you, You've ruined our marriage. He's 624 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:19,104 Speaker 5: admitting it too, He's like, no, I've I've royally messed 625 00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:19,464 Speaker 5: this up. 626 00:26:19,784 --> 00:26:21,704 Speaker 1: But they come back. They do the week. They're not 627 00:26:21,744 --> 00:26:24,544 Speaker 1: having fun, obviously, and then on the last stage. 628 00:26:24,264 --> 00:26:26,304 Speaker 4: She's a house on your ex. So it's just a lot. 629 00:26:26,264 --> 00:26:28,064 Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's a lot of pressure their final week. 630 00:26:28,064 --> 00:26:29,904 Speaker 5: They've been doing it for twelve weeks. I don't know 631 00:26:29,944 --> 00:26:31,264 Speaker 5: if you guys know this, but that's a really short 632 00:26:31,264 --> 00:26:33,104 Speaker 5: amount of time to build a house. You probably shouldn't 633 00:26:33,144 --> 00:26:37,184 Speaker 5: do it, and I'm too important to know that, but 634 00:26:37,224 --> 00:26:38,944 Speaker 5: they have, and so it's really stressful and they've gotten 635 00:26:38,984 --> 00:26:40,464 Speaker 5: to this final day and she kind of loses it 636 00:26:40,504 --> 00:26:42,664 Speaker 5: and she decides she doesn't want any help from their 637 00:26:42,664 --> 00:26:44,424 Speaker 5: tradees get them out of her house. 638 00:26:44,424 --> 00:26:45,264 Speaker 1: She's doing it alone. 639 00:26:45,504 --> 00:26:49,184 Speaker 5: She's done with everyone, So they kick everyone out, very dramatic, 640 00:26:49,304 --> 00:26:50,904 Speaker 5: and then when the judges come to look and it's 641 00:26:50,904 --> 00:26:53,464 Speaker 5: not particularly beautiful and finish the way they would have 642 00:26:53,504 --> 00:26:56,464 Speaker 5: thought it should be, they give harsh feedback, and so 643 00:26:56,704 --> 00:26:59,744 Speaker 5: it's Scottie Camp's turn to give that feedback. Kylie just 644 00:26:59,784 --> 00:27:01,704 Speaker 5: didn't want to bar of it, and she told him. 645 00:27:01,624 --> 00:27:04,104 Speaker 1: To wrap it up. Oh, and he did. 646 00:27:03,984 --> 00:27:05,784 Speaker 5: Not like that because it's his show and he's there 647 00:27:05,784 --> 00:27:07,984 Speaker 5: to give his comments obviously, so he told her he 648 00:27:07,984 --> 00:27:08,704 Speaker 5: would not wrap it up. 649 00:27:08,744 --> 00:27:10,704 Speaker 4: He was like, this is not in the contract. Sheant 650 00:27:10,704 --> 00:27:11,344 Speaker 4: to be saying this. 651 00:27:11,624 --> 00:27:14,864 Speaker 5: And she she had some words, some choice words that 652 00:27:14,904 --> 00:27:15,944 Speaker 5: I can't actually say. 653 00:27:16,104 --> 00:27:17,184 Speaker 4: What did she say? 654 00:27:17,664 --> 00:27:20,704 Speaker 5: She said things negative things about how she doesn't like 655 00:27:20,744 --> 00:27:24,384 Speaker 5: scott Yeah, obviously he wasn't a fan of that either, 656 00:27:24,464 --> 00:27:27,104 Speaker 5: but on camera, on camera, and then moment. 657 00:27:28,224 --> 00:27:30,224 Speaker 4: We know, I feel like you're there with them. 658 00:27:30,544 --> 00:27:32,664 Speaker 1: I was there this whole time. That's where I was. 659 00:27:33,024 --> 00:27:35,464 Speaker 5: And then yeah, moments later, we cut to her running 660 00:27:35,504 --> 00:27:38,144 Speaker 5: down the street shoeless. She's running because she's had enough 661 00:27:38,144 --> 00:27:41,424 Speaker 5: and she's quitting, and she's shoeless, shoeless, that's a whole 662 00:27:41,464 --> 00:27:44,504 Speaker 5: other level, that's a real choice. Yeah, And so she's 663 00:27:44,544 --> 00:27:47,144 Speaker 5: clearly really really distraught and upset, and she's just kind 664 00:27:47,184 --> 00:27:50,024 Speaker 5: of gone, I've had enough and I'm quitting, and Brad 665 00:27:50,264 --> 00:27:52,664 Speaker 5: get in the car to the finish line. The finish 666 00:27:52,744 --> 00:27:54,584 Speaker 5: line where she wants to bring Brad with her. Yep, 667 00:27:54,584 --> 00:27:57,024 Speaker 5: they're gone, They're out, and then the next day Scotty 668 00:27:57,064 --> 00:27:59,224 Speaker 5: Cam comes in and confirms that they're not coming back. 669 00:28:00,264 --> 00:28:02,104 Speaker 2: Look, I know we've laughed a few times over the 670 00:28:02,104 --> 00:28:03,864 Speaker 2: tough and stuff, but overall, I just wanted to say 671 00:28:03,864 --> 00:28:05,384 Speaker 2: that I do really feel for this woman because not 672 00:28:05,424 --> 00:28:08,424 Speaker 2: only has she gone through this traumatic experience, but now 673 00:28:08,464 --> 00:28:10,264 Speaker 2: she's having to relive it in the public. 674 00:28:11,064 --> 00:28:12,064 Speaker 1: And why is now. 675 00:28:11,944 --> 00:28:14,344 Speaker 3: We're talking about braw the public you want to start 676 00:28:14,384 --> 00:28:17,464 Speaker 3: it all exactly exactly and also the public, the Austraian public, 677 00:28:17,464 --> 00:28:20,984 Speaker 3: but ales are all people notoriously don't support women on 678 00:28:21,344 --> 00:28:23,864 Speaker 3: reality TV when they show emotion or go through a 679 00:28:23,864 --> 00:28:24,464 Speaker 3: difficult time. 680 00:28:24,544 --> 00:28:26,904 Speaker 1: So I'm assuming she's having a rough time right now. 681 00:28:27,344 --> 00:28:28,264 Speaker 1: She definitely is. 682 00:28:28,384 --> 00:28:30,064 Speaker 5: I think I've seen, you know, a little bit of 683 00:28:30,064 --> 00:28:33,104 Speaker 5: the tide start to turn in terms of people feeling 684 00:28:33,104 --> 00:28:35,064 Speaker 5: for her or feeling she should have had more support. 685 00:28:35,104 --> 00:28:36,904 Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, people decided with 686 00:28:37,024 --> 00:28:39,264 Speaker 5: the Maddie and Charlotte stuff that they don't like Kylie, 687 00:28:39,944 --> 00:28:43,264 Speaker 5: they say hate her, and they're predominantly still sticking with it. 688 00:28:43,344 --> 00:28:44,584 Speaker 5: A lot of people are like, oh, but it's just 689 00:28:44,624 --> 00:28:46,624 Speaker 5: showing her true colors. And at the end of the day, yeah, 690 00:28:46,664 --> 00:28:48,624 Speaker 5: this is a woman who woke up in her husband's 691 00:28:48,624 --> 00:28:49,584 Speaker 5: flirting with another woman. 692 00:28:49,664 --> 00:28:51,024 Speaker 1: That's stressful and upsetting. 693 00:28:51,384 --> 00:28:54,184 Speaker 2: A lot to be sad, of course, and also like 694 00:28:54,224 --> 00:28:55,544 Speaker 2: you're in a heightened situation. 695 00:28:55,664 --> 00:28:57,824 Speaker 1: You normally wouldn't be in a situation like that. 696 00:28:57,864 --> 00:28:59,784 Speaker 2: Also with cameras on you and no sleep, Like if 697 00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:02,024 Speaker 2: you're falling asleep under a tarp, things are already rough, 698 00:29:02,064 --> 00:29:03,624 Speaker 2: so you're going to have an emotional reaction. 699 00:29:03,664 --> 00:29:04,704 Speaker 1: I'm on this woman's side. 700 00:29:04,824 --> 00:29:08,384 Speaker 3: My mind is blown, Like who knew the block could 701 00:29:08,424 --> 00:29:09,824 Speaker 3: bring it? It feels like Maths. 702 00:29:10,464 --> 00:29:12,464 Speaker 5: It definitely does feel like Maths, and I think they've 703 00:29:12,504 --> 00:29:14,624 Speaker 5: been going that way for a little while. I think 704 00:29:14,824 --> 00:29:16,704 Speaker 5: I don't know if any blockheads in the room. But 705 00:29:16,744 --> 00:29:19,864 Speaker 5: it used to be it used to be that the 706 00:29:19,904 --> 00:29:22,424 Speaker 5: drama of obviously, yeah, doing a build in twelve weeks 707 00:29:22,464 --> 00:29:24,944 Speaker 5: was enough, Like you've already got the time pressure in 708 00:29:24,984 --> 00:29:26,304 Speaker 5: the crunch and trying to get everything. 709 00:29:26,824 --> 00:29:28,704 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think in all my years of covering 710 00:29:28,824 --> 00:29:31,944 Speaker 2: entertainment that we've sort of seen the block go into 711 00:29:31,984 --> 00:29:34,824 Speaker 2: this level of drama. And I wonder if that's because 712 00:29:35,264 --> 00:29:36,824 Speaker 2: I mean, I know that they have to film what's 713 00:29:36,864 --> 00:29:38,584 Speaker 2: there and this is what happened behind the scenes, but 714 00:29:38,864 --> 00:29:41,704 Speaker 2: it feels that they've really made it the central storyline. 715 00:29:41,744 --> 00:29:43,664 Speaker 2: And as much as everyone who's involved in the show, 716 00:29:43,704 --> 00:29:45,344 Speaker 2: I think says things like, you know, we're just here 717 00:29:45,344 --> 00:29:47,944 Speaker 2: to show renovation. We're just here to show the house 718 00:29:47,944 --> 00:29:49,624 Speaker 2: building side of it. We're not here for the drama. 719 00:29:50,024 --> 00:29:52,624 Speaker 2: They've chosen to show it, make it a big storyline 720 00:29:52,984 --> 00:29:55,664 Speaker 2: and they would be profiting off it because we've never 721 00:29:55,664 --> 00:29:58,064 Speaker 2: talked about the block this much for such a long time. Like, 722 00:29:58,104 --> 00:29:59,944 Speaker 2: I know people have always watched it and loved it, 723 00:30:00,224 --> 00:30:02,184 Speaker 2: but there wasn't a lot of content for us to 724 00:30:02,224 --> 00:30:04,904 Speaker 2: make stories around unless we were just showing people the rooms. 725 00:30:04,984 --> 00:30:07,904 Speaker 2: But you know, you've been doing so much coverage on 726 00:30:07,904 --> 00:30:10,144 Speaker 2: the side about this and people have been clicking like crazy. 727 00:30:10,744 --> 00:30:12,904 Speaker 2: So do we think that reality TV it Australia just 728 00:30:12,984 --> 00:30:14,864 Speaker 2: needs us right now, like everything has to be a 729 00:30:14,864 --> 00:30:15,984 Speaker 2: little bit maths. 730 00:30:15,984 --> 00:30:16,904 Speaker 1: It does a little bit. 731 00:30:16,984 --> 00:30:19,264 Speaker 5: I think we've also seen that with like the traditionally 732 00:30:19,264 --> 00:30:20,904 Speaker 5: wholesome shows like the cooking shows. 733 00:30:20,984 --> 00:30:23,624 Speaker 1: Yeah MKR Master Chef, like they're. 734 00:30:23,464 --> 00:30:26,144 Speaker 5: All leaning that little bit more into the chaos and 735 00:30:26,184 --> 00:30:28,744 Speaker 5: the drama, and yeah, to your point, like it would 736 00:30:28,784 --> 00:30:30,384 Speaker 5: be nice to watch them build a house, but you're 737 00:30:30,424 --> 00:30:33,584 Speaker 5: spending the majority of that hour that you're watching television 738 00:30:33,624 --> 00:30:36,624 Speaker 5: watching yeah people have like marital blow ups, yeah exactly, 739 00:30:36,664 --> 00:30:39,864 Speaker 5: really upsetting personal dramas or bullying, et cetera. Like you're 740 00:30:39,904 --> 00:30:41,984 Speaker 5: not really watching that much of like, oh, here's how 741 00:30:42,024 --> 00:30:43,104 Speaker 5: you make a kitchen. 742 00:30:43,144 --> 00:30:43,944 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. 743 00:30:43,984 --> 00:30:46,264 Speaker 2: I think that's probably why with like Merrit first site 744 00:30:46,344 --> 00:30:49,544 Speaker 2: has been still holding people's attention in such an astronomical 745 00:30:49,544 --> 00:30:52,144 Speaker 2: way the last few years, whereas we've seen a bit 746 00:30:52,184 --> 00:30:55,024 Speaker 2: of a decline overall and a lot of TV shows 747 00:30:55,064 --> 00:30:57,264 Speaker 2: in Australia to the point where things like The Bachelor 748 00:30:57,304 --> 00:30:59,224 Speaker 2: and stuff aren't even coming back. I know, like I 749 00:30:59,224 --> 00:31:01,544 Speaker 2: know the Blox Store has a huge, huge audience and 750 00:31:01,944 --> 00:31:03,904 Speaker 2: Master Chef does, but it does feel like they have 751 00:31:03,984 --> 00:31:06,424 Speaker 2: to bring the drama now to get those headlines, which 752 00:31:06,464 --> 00:31:07,384 Speaker 2: is extreme. 753 00:31:07,024 --> 00:31:09,424 Speaker 5: And it's obvious that there's a really big interest in 754 00:31:09,464 --> 00:31:11,344 Speaker 5: this kind of heightened drama because you know, when the 755 00:31:11,344 --> 00:31:14,984 Speaker 5: block premiered, the million national TV reach was two point 756 00:31:15,024 --> 00:31:16,944 Speaker 5: one six to seven million, and on Sunday night when 757 00:31:16,984 --> 00:31:18,904 Speaker 5: Kylie had her big walkout, and all of this drama 758 00:31:18,984 --> 00:31:22,864 Speaker 5: was teased. It was two point sixty five million, So 759 00:31:22,944 --> 00:31:25,984 Speaker 5: people are clearly loving the chaos and the you know, 760 00:31:26,464 --> 00:31:27,584 Speaker 5: running down the street shoe list. 761 00:31:27,704 --> 00:31:29,824 Speaker 1: So wait, wait is it the block ending this week? Right? 762 00:31:30,064 --> 00:31:32,224 Speaker 1: So the block ends on Sunday? What's going to happen? 763 00:31:32,264 --> 00:31:33,664 Speaker 1: So the auction will take place. 764 00:31:33,464 --> 00:31:35,864 Speaker 5: On Saturday and then will air on Sunday. And the 765 00:31:35,944 --> 00:31:38,984 Speaker 5: question has been like will they show up? And if 766 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:40,944 Speaker 5: they show up, are they entitled to their winnings? 767 00:31:41,104 --> 00:31:41,624 Speaker 3: Oh? 768 00:31:41,744 --> 00:31:45,224 Speaker 5: Because they so they're still going to auction their house. Yeah, 769 00:31:45,264 --> 00:31:48,264 Speaker 5: so the house will still be auctioned off. And obviously 770 00:31:48,304 --> 00:31:49,344 Speaker 5: when you kind of get to the end of the 771 00:31:49,384 --> 00:31:51,384 Speaker 5: twelve week period, there's a lot that's wrong with the house. 772 00:31:51,584 --> 00:31:53,504 Speaker 5: Like you've built a house in twelve weeks, it's not 773 00:31:53,504 --> 00:31:54,904 Speaker 5: going to be up to scratch. So they spend a 774 00:31:54,944 --> 00:31:57,224 Speaker 5: lot of time as well, like fixing the houses, fixing 775 00:31:57,224 --> 00:31:59,064 Speaker 5: any problems. There's a lot of work that goes into 776 00:31:59,104 --> 00:32:01,384 Speaker 5: it after that period as well, and. 777 00:32:01,344 --> 00:32:03,864 Speaker 2: That has just been sitting empty all the other houses 778 00:32:03,904 --> 00:32:04,504 Speaker 2: being worked on. 779 00:32:04,544 --> 00:32:06,904 Speaker 5: And so it's believed that Channel nine have obviously put 780 00:32:06,944 --> 00:32:07,464 Speaker 5: that work in. 781 00:32:07,624 --> 00:32:09,424 Speaker 1: So therefore, like is. 782 00:32:10,064 --> 00:32:12,864 Speaker 2: A Channel nine in there? With like a hammer and 783 00:32:12,904 --> 00:32:16,104 Speaker 2: of eush trying to get it together, split it amongst 784 00:32:16,144 --> 00:32:17,664 Speaker 2: all Channel employees. 785 00:32:19,104 --> 00:32:20,744 Speaker 5: The crews in there fixing it up. But so it's 786 00:32:20,744 --> 00:32:22,544 Speaker 5: been fixed up, it's auction ready. So it's kind of 787 00:32:22,544 --> 00:32:24,704 Speaker 5: the question of like, well, are they entitled to that 788 00:32:24,824 --> 00:32:27,424 Speaker 5: money if they win? And how will the other contestants 789 00:32:27,424 --> 00:32:30,344 Speaker 5: feel about it? Because even though they all finish their houses, 790 00:32:30,344 --> 00:32:32,904 Speaker 5: they've spent this past week working together on a communal space, 791 00:32:33,304 --> 00:32:36,744 Speaker 5: So Kylie and Brad didn't contribute to that whatsoever. So 792 00:32:37,184 --> 00:32:39,504 Speaker 5: there's the possibility that the other contestants wouldn't be very 793 00:32:39,504 --> 00:32:42,104 Speaker 5: happy to see them return and win money. But in 794 00:32:42,184 --> 00:32:44,864 Speaker 5: saying that they were all at the Melbourne Cup together 795 00:32:44,904 --> 00:32:50,624 Speaker 5: on Tuesday, Kylie and Brad and the producers and Adrian Portelli, 796 00:32:50,744 --> 00:32:52,784 Speaker 5: one of the main kind of bidders on the block. 797 00:32:53,024 --> 00:32:55,984 Speaker 5: So is this maybe all just like water under the 798 00:32:55,984 --> 00:32:57,224 Speaker 5: bridge at this point, because. 799 00:32:56,984 --> 00:32:58,264 Speaker 2: You've got to you've got to think this happened so 800 00:32:58,344 --> 00:33:01,264 Speaker 2: long ago, so much would have happened since we've been 801 00:33:01,304 --> 00:33:03,464 Speaker 2: seeing it on TV. So maybe they're all back together 802 00:33:03,504 --> 00:33:05,144 Speaker 2: and happy. Maybe they're going to have like a little 803 00:33:05,784 --> 00:33:06,944 Speaker 2: reunion them on the block. 804 00:33:06,984 --> 00:33:08,344 Speaker 4: Auction a borrowing. 805 00:33:09,704 --> 00:33:10,184 Speaker 1: Or maybe they'll be. 806 00:33:10,864 --> 00:33:12,824 Speaker 5: I'm sure there still will be because you know, they've 807 00:33:12,824 --> 00:33:14,824 Speaker 5: got to decide like the auction order, and they've got 808 00:33:14,864 --> 00:33:17,504 Speaker 5: to decide all of the details, and it's a holiday park, 809 00:33:17,544 --> 00:33:19,064 Speaker 5: it's not you know, the middle of Melbourne. There's a 810 00:33:19,064 --> 00:33:21,624 Speaker 5: possibility that the interest won't be what it normally is. 811 00:33:22,664 --> 00:33:24,384 Speaker 5: But we'll have to wait and see if they show up. 812 00:33:24,424 --> 00:33:27,064 Speaker 5: And the other question is are they still married and happy? 813 00:33:27,224 --> 00:33:29,704 Speaker 2: Okay, and you're covering that on Sunday night. Fum, Sorry, 814 00:33:29,904 --> 00:33:33,544 Speaker 2: thanks for taking I'm ready seven pm. Let's go, and 815 00:33:33,584 --> 00:33:36,464 Speaker 2: then for Teena's commentary on the block. And thank you 816 00:33:36,504 --> 00:33:39,264 Speaker 2: so much for explaining that our minds are blowing. I'm 817 00:33:39,264 --> 00:33:41,624 Speaker 2: only's gonna and. 818 00:33:41,664 --> 00:33:45,544 Speaker 3: Watch all the episodes. Thank you so much for listening 819 00:33:45,584 --> 00:33:48,304 Speaker 3: to the spill today. Look, I'm going to be honest. 820 00:33:48,344 --> 00:33:51,184 Speaker 3: Both LB and I still can't stop talking about Wicked. 821 00:33:51,224 --> 00:33:54,344 Speaker 3: I've been telling and also everyone's asking, like every single person. 822 00:33:54,224 --> 00:33:57,304 Speaker 1: I've never had so many messages about the movie. 823 00:33:57,464 --> 00:33:58,504 Speaker 4: The can't say. 824 00:33:58,664 --> 00:34:01,224 Speaker 3: All I say is like I cried three times, two 825 00:34:01,264 --> 00:34:03,664 Speaker 3: times were tearing up moments, one time was a full 826 00:34:03,704 --> 00:34:05,584 Speaker 3: sob Take that exactly. 827 00:34:05,624 --> 00:34:08,424 Speaker 2: But listen to our cast interviews because and also not 828 00:34:08,584 --> 00:34:11,144 Speaker 2: just that the commentary like some of the things we said. 829 00:34:11,224 --> 00:34:13,744 Speaker 2: I won't say anything else except on the spill because 830 00:34:13,744 --> 00:34:16,144 Speaker 2: you know, we need to have a element of privacy. 831 00:34:16,264 --> 00:34:18,144 Speaker 2: But like what happens when the spill stays on the spill. 832 00:34:18,184 --> 00:34:19,944 Speaker 2: So if you want to hear behind the scenes, listen 833 00:34:19,944 --> 00:34:20,904 Speaker 2: to yesterday's episode. 834 00:34:20,944 --> 00:34:22,784 Speaker 3: We will link it in our show notes as well 835 00:34:22,984 --> 00:34:25,944 Speaker 3: as our Instagram at the Spill podcast because we did 836 00:34:26,064 --> 00:34:29,344 Speaker 3: post a video footage of LB interviewing Ariana Grande and 837 00:34:29,384 --> 00:34:32,464 Speaker 3: Cynthia Arrivo. It is so freakin cute. I watched it 838 00:34:32,504 --> 00:34:34,904 Speaker 3: like five times on our bad It's so cute. I 839 00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:35,624 Speaker 3: loved it. 840 00:34:35,984 --> 00:34:36,504 Speaker 4: We will be. 841 00:34:36,544 --> 00:34:39,464 Speaker 3: Back here in your podcast feed at three pm tomorrow. 842 00:34:39,704 --> 00:34:45,224 Speaker 1: Bye bye, La