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Speaker 1: Makeup is My Therapy.

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Speaker 2: I'm obsessed and I don't even feel guilty about it.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to you Beauty, the daily podcast for

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Speaker 2: your Face.

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Speaker 3: I'm Lucy Neville and I'm Kyrisels and we're your beauty besties.

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Speaker 3: Today's day we talk about all things beauty, including the

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Speaker 3: latest trends, products, and shares some stories from our lives

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Speaker 3: as beauty creators, because trust us, there is a lot

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Speaker 3: now that we're all Bessie Leslie friends, best friends, best

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Speaker 3: yestick together.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on the show, I'm sharing my pick of

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Speaker 2: the week. It is like a travel hack makeup situation.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna love it and we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 2: the reality of having copper hair? Is it worth it?

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Speaker 2: Will you regret it? I'll tell ya. But first key,

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Speaker 2: you've got a bit of a product round up for

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Speaker 2: me today. I do so.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but I've been

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Speaker 3: a little bit jealous of your every day I look

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Speaker 3: for a few months now.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if I have it every day.

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Speaker 3: You're doing it right now, I am, you're doing it

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Speaker 3: right now. And basically whenever I ask you what it is,

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Speaker 3: You're like, oh, it's just a bit of bronza, the

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Speaker 3: little brown shadow, a little liquid moment, and I'm like, cool.

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Speaker 3: So when I try that on me, trying to use

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Speaker 3: the same color that you've used, like a coppery color,

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Speaker 3: it just doesn't look that good on me. So color

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Speaker 3: theory is wild, right, because I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: the time, most of the imagery that I get fed

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Speaker 3: is of a different skin tone to mine. Yeah, so

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Speaker 3: it makes it a little bit confusing when I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to like recreate the look at home. I can do

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Speaker 3: the skill of the recreation, but it never quite suits

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Speaker 3: my skin tone, Okay. And I looked at all of

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Speaker 3: my shadow palettes and I just feel really underwhelmed.

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Speaker 2: What did you have before you went shopping for a

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Speaker 2: new one? Like, what kind of shadows are we talking?

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Speaker 3: They're just all variations are brown, okay, Right. And what

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Speaker 3: I was finding is that I was concealing my eyelid

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Speaker 3: so that it was as dark as like, you know,

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Speaker 3: everyone has like a darker shade under their eye and

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Speaker 3: on their eyelid. So I was concealing it, putting powder

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Speaker 3: on it, and then I was putting brown on top

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Speaker 3: of it, and to me that just seemed counterintuitive, like

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Speaker 3: why am I concealing the brown to then put brown on?

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I need to like lighten this

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Speaker 3: find my every day look.

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Speaker 2: I like what you've got going on today?

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Speaker 1: Well, that's because this is one of the things, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I spent an afternoon at Westfield. I went to Mecca,

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Speaker 3: I went to Cosmetico and Mecha Max and then finally

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Speaker 3: Sephora with a toddler in tow, which I.

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Speaker 1: Do not recommend.

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Speaker 3: And it was actually much harder than I thought because

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Speaker 3: everything I loved was a variation of a brown palette,

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Speaker 3: and I was going to myself. I was slapping myself

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Speaker 3: with the face like, kee, get it together, We're not

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Speaker 3: here to get another brown palette.

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Speaker 2: But they look so pretty. I do look so pretty.

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Speaker 2: They look so pretty.

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Speaker 3: So I was trying to retrain my eye to basically

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Speaker 3: pick something a little more poppy, but it was hard.

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Speaker 2: So what kind of POPA are going for?

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Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't sure at the time. So initially I

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Speaker 3: was like, tuttle vision on matte shades.

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Speaker 1: Matte shadows okay.

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Speaker 3: But then I ended up realizing that shimmer is what

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Speaker 1: And obviously it's all in the blending.

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Speaker 3: So thinking about your copper, I was like, all of

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Speaker 3: my palettes tend to have a little bit of that

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Speaker 3: much red on me? Well, do you remember that it

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Speaker 3: But on me, it's like I needed something that picked

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Speaker 2: Cool tones, in my opinion, I just don't feel my

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Speaker 3: So after a bit of playing around the color, I

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Speaker 3: three that I landed on. I actually ended up purchasing

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Speaker 3: of the three, is the one that I'm wearing today. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So this is the NAR's eyeshadow duo in the Shame

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Speaker 3: Saint Paul Divinisa fifty six dollars from Mecca.

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Speaker 1: I liked it because it was just two shades.

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Speaker 3: I found that when I was trying to find something

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, people's eye shadow palettes usually has one that's

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Speaker 3: I don't want all of those other ones that are shit.

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Speaker 3: So this one has two shades, a shimmering nectarine color

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Speaker 1: I really like it fresh.

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Speaker 3: It's like not boring, it's popping, it's giving something.

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Speaker 2: And he did an Instagram poll and people like that

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Speaker 3: Right, people did like that one more. The one that

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Speaker 3: the Anastasia Beverly Hills Glam to Go Mini Palette, which

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Speaker 3: is fifty six dollars at Sephora. So this actually has

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Speaker 3: eight pinky peachy matte and metallic shades, but it was

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Speaker 2: Which when I saw the Anisasi Beverly Hills one, it

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Speaker 3: I yes, exactly now the one that I'm gonna go

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Speaker 3: So Natasha Deanna Mini Biber eye Shadow Palette goes for

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Speaker 3: forty nine dollars at Sephora. I love her mini eye

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Speaker 3: shadow palettes. I've recommended dream before. They're just a small

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Speaker 3: And because only five shades are very little, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Use all of them.

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Speaker 3: This one is matte metallic and shimmer and brown and

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Speaker 3: coral shades with neutral rosy undertones. Okay, So I think

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get that full Europe to take with

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Speaker 3: the Nars.

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Speaker 2: So I'm kind of thinking about getting the Nars one

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Speaker 3: It's so nice it would look on you too. I'm stoked,

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Speaker 2: Congrasspoe, thank you. I have lots of our shadow favorites,

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Speaker 2: but as Cay said, I kind of use from yest

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Speaker 2: Mario Master Matt's palette. I will say it's Spenny. It's

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Speaker 2: ninety four dollars, but you're getting like I think it's

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Speaker 2: an MVP my makeup collection and kind of comes with

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Speaker 2: when you're traveling it's kind of nice to have something

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Speaker 2: with a mirror in it. I also love the Nars

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Speaker 2: Orgasm Rising palette because of the coppery kind of rust

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Speaker 2: shades in there. I also use a Charlotte Telberrie eyes

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Speaker 2: to mesmeriz pots. They're like cream shadows. Star gold is

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Speaker 2: my favorite, but I have an affordable reco to the

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Speaker 2: kind Collector Eyeshadow palettes are so great in terms of

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Speaker 2: pigment and quality, and they're yeah, much more affordable, and

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you want to go copper. The most common

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Speaker 2: and how to maintain it. So the Refinery twenty nine

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Speaker 2: article Meat Cowgirl Copper the most playful hair trend said

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Speaker 2: playful copper, even muted, is a high maintenance hair color.

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Speaker 2: Many colors say that tones of redd are even harder

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Speaker 2: the health of my hair. But I am irish. I

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Speaker 2: have cousins with my current hair color, like a red

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Speaker 2: we look Yeah. So I was like perfect. And I

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Speaker 2: use one of those apps where you can change your

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Speaker 2: hair color. You put a photo of yourself in and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was not nervous at all because I

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Speaker 2: I could see what it was going to look like

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Speaker 2: in me, I was like, okay, cool. My number one

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Speaker 2: tip for a big transformation is take photo references for

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Speaker 2: your hairdresser. Don't walk in there and say I want

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Speaker 2: to go cow boycopper, I want to go red, I

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Speaker 2: want to go so, you know, strawberry blonde, because everyone

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Speaker 2: has different interpretations of what that means. So you could

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Speaker 2: have one thing in your head and the hairdressers has

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Speaker 2: the end and you're not happy. Yeah, Communication's key, and

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Speaker 2: I just take photos every time and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: open to collaborating with your hair dresser because they're experts

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's time for our picks of the week, our

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Speaker 1: All right, So, Charlotte till Rey just.

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Speaker 3: So basically the science behind it is the thing that

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Speaker 3: and it ranged from eighty four percent to ninety eight

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool really.

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Speaker 3: So they are quite unique.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lucy wasn't a fan. I am quite light on

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Speaker 2: What do you think about these? Are they like heavier?

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Speaker 3: I think that you don't need to spray as much,

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Speaker 1: To doing like a pump pump go. Sometimes you just need.

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Speaker 2: A best Yeah, I'm doing like five or six exactly

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Speaker 3: No, No, these ones are quite concentrated. So my favorites

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Speaker 2: Lot that mass.

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Speaker 1: Forever amback hack totally.

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Speaker 3: All the individual bottles go for forty dollars for ten

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Speaker 2: The ones you like, joyfouria and magic energy. What are

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Speaker 1: Joy and magic?

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Speaker 2: Speaking of magic, Oh, my pig of the week is

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Speaker 2: the makeup Forever HD's skin all in one palette. It's

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Speaker 2: So in this face palette, it's about the size of

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Speaker 2: so you've got three cream foundation shades, four concealer and

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Speaker 2: it because for travel, it is tiny and just slips

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Speaker 3: Makeup bag and you can just take the one palette,

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Speaker 3: just take one palette and there's definitely different shades. Amazing.

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Speaker 1: I need to check this out.

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Speaker 2: Well. On that note, Ubi's that is about all the

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