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Speaker 1: So you're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders

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Speaker 2: that this podcast is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Spill, your daily pop culture fis. I'm Laura

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Speaker 2: Brodnick and I'm Cassni Lukitch And coming up on the

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Speaker 2: show today, we had the Golden Bachelor finale last night,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to talk about the significance of that

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Speaker 2: along with the fallout and Kim Kardashin and Megan Markle

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Speaker 2: had a bit of an issue with some photos being

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Speaker 2: deleted last week. There's more information about that today that

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Speaker 2: we're going to get into. But first we have SNL.

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Speaker 3: Glen Powell hosted SNL this week and people are pretty

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Speaker 1: He did a really good job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's always hard to sort of say

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Speaker 2: with SNL, like how big of a successive laws, or

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Speaker 2: like they tanked, or I haven't seen the skits go viral.

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Speaker 2: What people are really talking about is that opening monologue

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Speaker 2: and how we kind of let back even though he's

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Speaker 2: like quite a big movie star, blockbuster star now, he

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Speaker 2: consistently leans back into this idea of being kind of

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Speaker 2: like the kind of guy who's trying to make it

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Speaker 2: in Hollywood and later Max, Yeah, he's trying to make

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Speaker 2: himself the relatable guy, which is normally why he has

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Speaker 2: his parents walk a red carpet with him and hold

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Speaker 2: up signs saying like why do people care about Glen

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Speaker 2: Powell and all that sort of stuff. Even though he

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Speaker 2: is Tom Cruise's chosen protege, he went through the Tom

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Speaker 2: Cruise Film School, and Tom Cruise now comes to every

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Speaker 2: one of his premieres to hype him up and has

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Speaker 2: allegedly given him lessons in how to hold up his

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Speaker 2: popcorn for photos, because that is Tom Cruise as stick

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Speaker 2: that he is an old school movie star who loves popcorn,

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Speaker 2: so he is Mold England in his image.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we maybe needed a popcorn lesson last week.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we watched Wicked last week, and I

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Speaker 3: feel like both of us were just I'm a hand

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Speaker 3: to mouth with popcorn oative cinema.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, just go one a whole another.

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Speaker 4: I like to do one little kernel at the time.

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Speaker 2: I know it takes hours, You've got to you got

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Speaker 2: two hours to get through that popcorn. Plus if any

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Speaker 2: popcorn goes down into these moooves, it's gone forever, So

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Speaker 2: I need to be across every little piece.

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Speaker 1: I'm a shoveler, like it's like chic, look very chic.

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Speaker 3: I do not put a That's why the lights need

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Speaker 3: to be off because I'm like shoving that into my fan.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's why I wait for Cover of Darkness

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Speaker 2: in the movie for that it happened. So Glenpal's monologue

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Speaker 2: was very much about how he had been supposed to

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Speaker 2: host SNL four years earlier, and he made it out

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Speaker 2: that he had sort of been you know, canceled or

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Speaker 2: they changed the plan on him or something like that.

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Speaker 2: But what it came out was that he was supposed

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Speaker 2: to host it in line with Top Gun Maverick coming out,

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Speaker 2: which was his big break into movie stardom, and then

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Speaker 2: because that movie got pushed back because of the pandemic,

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Speaker 2: and wanting to sort of have a crowd be able

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Speaker 2: that Lawn Michael's call, who's the creator of SNL, called

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Speaker 2: him personally and said we're going to have to pull you,

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Speaker 2: and apparently he was like.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I'll still do it.

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Speaker 2: I'll still do it because he really wanted to do it,

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Speaker 2: and Laurna is just like, I think the few people

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Speaker 2: And he just said, look, if the movie is on out,

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Speaker 2: no one's going to know who you are. So it's

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Speaker 1: I believe there was a choice profanity in there too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just gonna know who the fuck you are.

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Speaker 3: So the funny part this whole monologue, I did think

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Speaker 3: this whole history of him not getting to host this SNL.

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Speaker 4: Of him being the underdogar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he talks about how when he found out

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Speaker 3: the first time, four years ago, he and his family

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Speaker 1: They show the selfie.

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Speaker 3: He brings the UPS driver to the SNL show that

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Speaker 1: Elliott was his name.

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Speaker 3: I believe he goes up on stage with Glenn Powell

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Speaker 1: It was actually quite sweet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really good touch. And again with

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Speaker 2: that whole like nice guy every man, which I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Glenn Pally is. I haven't heard anything to the country,

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Speaker 2: but that was very much his kind of shtick for

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Speaker 2: the night. I always want it so interesting with the

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Speaker 2: approved all those different jokes, and I wonder if like

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Speaker 2: Lawn Michaels. Like some people have his phone number and

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Speaker 2: they throw that into conversations. Some people have sort of

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Speaker 2: and shit with Lawn. Even Ariana Grande the.

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Speaker 2: Ariana Grunda the other day was doing an interview with

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Speaker 2: so that she called Lawne Michael's personally and then she

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Speaker 1: I was, yeah, this is the best thing.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that she can get away with making

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Speaker 3: Lawn Michaels is the boss of SNL, which is all impressions.

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Speaker 1: People are making fun of everybody.

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Speaker 3: But the consistent stories that come out about Lawn is

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Speaker 3: I would be so scared for him as my boss.

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Speaker 3: He's clearly very demanding and he will tell you if

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Speaker 1: With Bow and Yang, and she was like, oh, rural,

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Speaker 2: But it was very specific thing. So she's doing Lawne's

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Speaker 2: was like, well, I know you want. I know why

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Speaker 2: the interesting thing is halfway through her impression of him,

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Speaker 2: fine because bow and Yang would know that Laurne likes

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Speaker 2: people to impress impersonate him if he likes them. That's

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Speaker 2: why Pete Davidson does it a lot, because Laurne Michaels

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean I would say that Glenn was

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Speaker 1: He really looked very, very happy in all the sketches.

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Speaker 3: So most of the sketches for this particular week were

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Speaker 1: Were like that.

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Speaker 3: And you know, there's a lot of political commentary, there's

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Speaker 3: a couple of really funny things, but through the whole

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Speaker 2: Oh well, there you go, that poor rich white man.

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Speaker 2: He's finally got his break that he's been waiting for

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Speaker 3: So the Golden Bachelor finale was last night, and we

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Speaker 1: It's Sonny and Bear. That's my sunny and chair. That

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Speaker 4: I don't want to do that. Actually that kind of

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I thought it was cute, but I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not very good at punts anyway. Sonny and Bear

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Speaker 3: Sonny won last night's The Golden Bachelor, our very first

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Speaker 1: Is really nice.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like we should talk about the finale

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Speaker 3: other offshoots of commentary that have happened since aired last night.

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Speaker 3: So first of all, can we talk about how windy

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Speaker 2: It's just so interesting how like the Bachelotte like they

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Speaker 2: love how they've gone back to that old school thing

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Speaker 2: of like these big, flashy finales with like the same

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Speaker 2: production value as like a small Netflix movie in terms

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Speaker 2: last season before they rebooted it, as budgets got smaller

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Speaker 2: final dates were really lux with all the animals and everything,

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Speaker 2: and maybe want a goal on the Golden Bachelor just

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Speaker 2: to kind of go and go and swim with penguins

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Speaker 2: or go on a safari or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Golden Bachelor, Laura.

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Speaker 2: Maybe one day's anyone want to swim with penguins.

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Speaker 4: It's so expensive to go.

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Speaker 2: There were a man to raise you, I know, that's

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Speaker 2: why to add penguins to the list. So you have

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Speaker 2: these like crazy dates and this is when you can

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Speaker 2: And the outpouring of emotion on socials and people talking

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Speaker 5: I'm like emotional. I just finished watching The Golden Bachelor

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Speaker 2: still together, because that's always a thing with The Bachelor,

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00:18:36,424 --> 00:18:39,704
Speaker 2: is that it's filmed so far in advance that often

436
00:18:39,744 --> 00:18:43,104
Speaker 2: you watch this beautiful, big finale and then a post

437
00:18:43,104 --> 00:18:45,904
Speaker 2: pops up saying, hey, we're not together anymore because it's

438
00:18:45,904 --> 00:18:48,344
Speaker 2: been seven months and we're know.

439
00:18:48,464 --> 00:18:49,904
Speaker 1: Better part of it. You think it's a bit about

440
00:18:49,944 --> 00:18:50,344
Speaker 1: part of a.

441
00:18:50,424 --> 00:18:52,744
Speaker 2: Year like that, and also the fact that you can't

442
00:18:52,784 --> 00:18:54,344
Speaker 2: like you have to be in secret. So we know

443
00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:57,184
Speaker 2: that they get to spend the night together after the finale,

444
00:18:57,824 --> 00:19:01,104
Speaker 2: which the first time that camera is like wildest thing

445
00:19:01,664 --> 00:19:04,984
Speaker 2: to happen after seeing this person only on camera very

446
00:19:05,024 --> 00:19:08,584
Speaker 2: briefly a handful of time, yeah, exactly, and then they

447
00:19:08,624 --> 00:19:11,944
Speaker 2: get ripped apart put on separate flights. Oftentimes I don't

448
00:19:11,944 --> 00:19:14,264
Speaker 2: know if it happened this time, but oftentime the man

449
00:19:14,344 --> 00:19:16,384
Speaker 2: gets to all the Bachelor or the batchette, whoever's the star,

450
00:19:16,744 --> 00:19:19,504
Speaker 2: gets to fly fancy first class direct and the other

451
00:19:19,544 --> 00:19:22,224
Speaker 2: person has to go, you know, different flights to kind

452
00:19:22,264 --> 00:19:22,784
Speaker 2: of keep it.

453
00:19:22,784 --> 00:19:25,824
Speaker 1: Under the next day. On the second flight the next day, I.

454
00:19:25,904 --> 00:19:27,344
Speaker 2: Know it's a whole thing. And then I think that

455
00:19:27,464 --> 00:19:30,024
Speaker 2: then they get like a certain number of secret visits

456
00:19:30,064 --> 00:19:32,584
Speaker 2: together over time. But again it has to be all

457
00:19:32,704 --> 00:19:34,864
Speaker 2: very like clandestine, all very under the reader.

458
00:19:35,064 --> 00:19:37,424
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm saying they had to stay away from windows.

459
00:19:37,624 --> 00:19:38,584
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the.

460
00:19:39,064 --> 00:19:40,984
Speaker 2: Bachelor's been spoiled before you know, they've done the long

461
00:19:41,064 --> 00:19:42,544
Speaker 2: Lands through the window a few times.

462
00:19:42,744 --> 00:19:43,184
Speaker 1: Creepy.

463
00:19:43,424 --> 00:19:45,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that would be very hard. It's

464
00:19:45,384 --> 00:19:49,184
Speaker 3: a very difficult way to start a new relationship, to

465
00:19:49,264 --> 00:19:53,024
Speaker 3: start up by having to hide from everybody, not tell

466
00:19:53,064 --> 00:19:54,784
Speaker 3: any of the loved ones. I'm sure the daughters, their

467
00:19:54,864 --> 00:19:58,944
Speaker 3: daughters knew, their children knew, but it's just it would

468
00:19:58,944 --> 00:20:00,184
Speaker 3: be very, very difficult.

469
00:20:00,544 --> 00:20:02,384
Speaker 1: There has been a little bit of criticism.

470
00:20:02,424 --> 00:20:06,904
Speaker 3: So Chloe Long, who's Sonny's daughter, she is quite big

471
00:20:06,944 --> 00:20:10,104
Speaker 3: on TikTok and in Star and she gave us the

472
00:20:10,384 --> 00:20:13,144
Speaker 3: wonderful are you a feminist line in the home visits.

473
00:20:13,944 --> 00:20:16,064
Speaker 1: She's such a such a vibe Chloe. I love her.

474
00:20:16,064 --> 00:20:17,784
Speaker 1: She's got great, great energy.

475
00:20:18,464 --> 00:20:21,584
Speaker 3: So she's called out Channel nine for not moderating the

476
00:20:21,984 --> 00:20:24,624
Speaker 3: racist comments on the videos about her mum.

477
00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:30,024
Speaker 6: The racism that is in the comments towards mum on

478
00:20:30,064 --> 00:20:34,184
Speaker 6: the God of Match like aka Sonning is disgusting and

479
00:20:34,864 --> 00:20:37,464
Speaker 6: why are the comments not being moderated and why are

480
00:20:37,464 --> 00:20:40,224
Speaker 6: those comments allowed to stay on the platform.

481
00:20:40,944 --> 00:20:43,784
Speaker 2: It's really interesting, especially on Facebook if you go there.

482
00:20:44,064 --> 00:20:46,784
Speaker 3: And I feel like we should talk about this as well,

483
00:20:46,824 --> 00:20:49,944
Speaker 3: because I think it's particularly coming from us, Muma Maya.

484
00:20:50,024 --> 00:20:52,344
Speaker 3: We publish a lot of content too, we have our

485
00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:54,904
Speaker 3: own guidelines, but I actually love to hear from you.

486
00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:59,264
Speaker 3: What do you think about the fact that Channel nine

487
00:20:59,344 --> 00:21:01,144
Speaker 3: haven't moderated those comments.

488
00:21:01,224 --> 00:21:03,664
Speaker 2: I think they have said they did step in once

489
00:21:03,704 --> 00:21:05,144
Speaker 2: it was pointed out to them. But that's the thing

490
00:21:05,304 --> 00:21:09,344
Speaker 2: when on your own platforms, you were responsible for the comments,

491
00:21:09,344 --> 00:21:11,624
Speaker 2: which I think a lot of people, you know, in

492
00:21:11,704 --> 00:21:14,344
Speaker 2: just in the general public might not be aware of.

493
00:21:14,704 --> 00:21:16,064
Speaker 4: Which is why often.

494
00:21:15,744 --> 00:21:18,184
Speaker 2: When like if you're reporting on like an ongoing court

495
00:21:18,224 --> 00:21:22,064
Speaker 2: case or something like that, a lot of publications will

496
00:21:22,064 --> 00:21:24,704
Speaker 2: turn their comments off and then you'll get comments pop

497
00:21:24,784 --> 00:21:27,224
Speaker 2: up in other sections of people saying like, oh, you're

498
00:21:27,264 --> 00:21:28,944
Speaker 2: censoring us, or you just want this and that, but

499
00:21:28,984 --> 00:21:33,744
Speaker 2: it's because in Australia, the publication is not only liable

500
00:21:33,784 --> 00:21:36,424
Speaker 2: for what they print, but they're liable for the comments section.

501
00:21:36,944 --> 00:21:39,984
Speaker 2: And if someone says something defamatory then they can be

502
00:21:39,984 --> 00:21:41,904
Speaker 2: taken to court because they're allowed it to be published.

503
00:21:42,264 --> 00:21:44,784
Speaker 2: And so that's why I thought when this idea of

504
00:21:44,824 --> 00:21:46,824
Speaker 2: people saying like, oh, they probably weren't checking the comments,

505
00:21:46,824 --> 00:21:48,784
Speaker 2: I was like, there's no way for such a big

506
00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:51,304
Speaker 2: company like that they wouldn't be checking the comments. I

507
00:21:51,384 --> 00:21:54,384
Speaker 2: just wonder if it adds to the druma. I don't

508
00:21:54,384 --> 00:21:55,944
Speaker 2: want to put words into the mouth of the people

509
00:21:55,944 --> 00:21:58,104
Speaker 2: who produce that show because I don't know, but I

510
00:21:58,184 --> 00:22:00,584
Speaker 2: just wonder if there was something around them it's not.

511
00:22:01,424 --> 00:22:03,664
Speaker 2: I think a lot of the time, racism in Australia

512
00:22:04,544 --> 00:22:07,144
Speaker 2: in particular just gets really overlooked of like oh, that's

513
00:22:07,184 --> 00:22:08,984
Speaker 2: just how it is, or it's not that upsetting, or

514
00:22:09,904 --> 00:22:11,464
Speaker 2: just like, oh, but every woman on the show is

515
00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:13,704
Speaker 2: getting critiqued, it's not just her. But there's a difference

516
00:22:13,704 --> 00:22:16,104
Speaker 2: when it's racially charged to just not liking someone.

517
00:22:16,224 --> 00:22:17,944
Speaker 3: It's a very Australian thing to be like, oh, it's

518
00:22:17,944 --> 00:22:20,264
Speaker 3: just a joke, and I think that's the type of

519
00:22:20,384 --> 00:22:22,344
Speaker 3: racism that does happen in Australia.

520
00:22:22,344 --> 00:22:25,984
Speaker 1: It's this flippant Oh, we're fine, we love everybody.

521
00:22:26,064 --> 00:22:29,104
Speaker 3: You know, you're right, you're right, Oh, you know, because

522
00:22:29,104 --> 00:22:32,024
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be funny, but it's actually really hurtful.

523
00:22:32,064 --> 00:22:35,264
Speaker 3: And some of the comments on here are just reinforcing

524
00:22:35,304 --> 00:22:39,944
Speaker 3: those stereotypes that Asian women have been tackling for a

525
00:22:39,984 --> 00:22:41,784
Speaker 3: really long time. I don't want to speak to it

526
00:22:41,824 --> 00:22:44,104
Speaker 3: because I'm not an Asian woman, but you know, Tina,

527
00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:47,824
Speaker 3: I'm sure would you know agree that the way that

528
00:22:47,904 --> 00:22:50,584
Speaker 3: Asian women have been portrayed is not in that positive light.

529
00:22:50,664 --> 00:22:52,984
Speaker 3: So I do think that generalline do have a responsibility

530
00:22:53,024 --> 00:22:57,024
Speaker 3: to moderate that a little bit further, and Channeline definitely

531
00:22:57,024 --> 00:22:59,384
Speaker 3: have a responsibility to moderate those comments.

532
00:22:59,584 --> 00:23:01,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's one of those things where I did

533
00:23:01,344 --> 00:23:04,064
Speaker 2: see some commentary yesterday, people saying like, oh, just like

534
00:23:04,184 --> 00:23:05,984
Speaker 2: let it go, like let them be in love? Why

535
00:23:05,984 --> 00:23:07,744
Speaker 2: are we still talking about this? But like, you just

536
00:23:07,784 --> 00:23:11,224
Speaker 2: can't one, you can't let it go because it's still reality.

537
00:23:11,304 --> 00:23:14,744
Speaker 2: Like I'm sure today, in all of the well wishes

538
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:17,624
Speaker 2: and people obsessing over her and loving her, there's also

539
00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:20,704
Speaker 2: a lot of racially charged criticism coming her way, and

540
00:23:20,784 --> 00:23:22,864
Speaker 2: so and it would be for any one woman of

541
00:23:22,904 --> 00:23:25,224
Speaker 2: Asian descent in the public eye, or anyone who just

542
00:23:25,264 --> 00:23:28,584
Speaker 2: exists online and has to have those comments daily. You

543
00:23:28,624 --> 00:23:30,144
Speaker 2: can't really turn it off and say like, I'm not

544
00:23:30,184 --> 00:23:32,144
Speaker 2: going to talk about it when it's your daily reality.

545
00:23:32,424 --> 00:23:34,664
Speaker 2: And I think also, like, especially with her daughters coming

546
00:23:34,664 --> 00:23:37,384
Speaker 2: out and talking about it and being so eloquent in

547
00:23:37,424 --> 00:23:39,584
Speaker 2: the way they've discussed and bringing it up on the

548
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,024
Speaker 2: show and bring it up on their socials, it's also

549
00:23:42,104 --> 00:23:44,704
Speaker 2: like that's a huge emotional burden for them, but they're

550
00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:47,704
Speaker 2: doing it to help educate people and protect their mum,

551
00:23:47,744 --> 00:23:50,384
Speaker 2: and hopefully, like you know, maybe people who work on

552
00:23:50,424 --> 00:23:52,904
Speaker 2: these shows will see that and change from behavior about

553
00:23:52,944 --> 00:23:54,784
Speaker 2: how they moderate comments going forward.

554
00:23:54,784 --> 00:23:55,344
Speaker 4: Potentially.

555
00:23:55,664 --> 00:23:58,824
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so Chloe definitely was sticking up for

556
00:23:58,864 --> 00:24:00,664
Speaker 3: a mum, which is one way. I don't know if

557
00:24:00,664 --> 00:24:03,024
Speaker 3: you saw the video that Sonny had posted on her

558
00:24:03,064 --> 00:24:08,064
Speaker 3: Instagram maybe a week ago before she was announced that

559
00:24:08,064 --> 00:24:12,944
Speaker 3: she'd won, and she's basically sobbing into the camera talking

560
00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:15,784
Speaker 3: about how happy she is to have all this support

561
00:24:15,824 --> 00:24:17,584
Speaker 3: and how she's got all these new friends.

562
00:24:17,864 --> 00:24:19,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it made me want to cry.

563
00:24:19,344 --> 00:24:20,184
Speaker 4: It was so cute.

564
00:24:20,224 --> 00:24:22,224
Speaker 3: She was like, I came to this country, I didn't

565
00:24:22,264 --> 00:24:24,304
Speaker 3: have anyone, and now I have all these new threads,

566
00:24:24,384 --> 00:24:26,944
Speaker 3: not just my mansion girlfriends, but I have these people

567
00:24:26,984 --> 00:24:30,784
Speaker 3: writing and support and she's sobbing, and I was like,

568
00:24:31,144 --> 00:24:32,944
Speaker 3: I'm going to protect this woman with all like like

569
00:24:33,264 --> 00:24:36,184
Speaker 3: look after her because she's just such a guiding light,

570
00:24:36,304 --> 00:24:40,024
Speaker 3: like so sweet, and it breaks my heart to think

571
00:24:40,024 --> 00:24:43,024
Speaker 3: that there are people and they're just making these what

572
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:43,704
Speaker 3: they think is.

573
00:24:43,664 --> 00:24:45,264
Speaker 1: Funny and it's not funny.

574
00:24:45,584 --> 00:24:48,744
Speaker 3: It's just stereotypical racism.

575
00:24:49,064 --> 00:24:50,864
Speaker 1: Do won't do it to her? She's so sweet.

576
00:24:51,504 --> 00:24:54,024
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so interesting watching that out pouring of

577
00:24:54,104 --> 00:24:56,304
Speaker 2: love for her because it's that classic thing where like

578
00:24:56,624 --> 00:24:59,024
Speaker 2: you have this woman with like so much personality, people

579
00:24:59,064 --> 00:25:02,224
Speaker 2: love her, and by default that has made people like

580
00:25:02,264 --> 00:25:05,144
Speaker 2: Bear more like not anyone disliked him, but he is

581
00:25:05,224 --> 00:25:08,024
Speaker 2: very reserved, or at least he comes across that way

582
00:25:08,064 --> 00:25:11,504
Speaker 2: on TV, like very reserved, a little bit bland, I

583
00:25:11,504 --> 00:25:14,544
Speaker 2: would say, through the whole season. Yeah, but also like

584
00:25:14,584 --> 00:25:16,184
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe there was I feel like, also

585
00:25:16,584 --> 00:25:18,704
Speaker 2: they're so because of the god, but tres mentally more

586
00:25:18,744 --> 00:25:20,864
Speaker 2: lovey dovey. It's almost like they had to. I don't

587
00:25:20,864 --> 00:25:22,624
Speaker 2: know what happened behind the scenes, but I wonder if

588
00:25:22,624 --> 00:25:24,344
Speaker 2: they were trying to make him more kind of just

589
00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:28,104
Speaker 2: neutral so that he wasn't offensive anyway. So, yeah, loved

590
00:25:28,144 --> 00:25:31,984
Speaker 2: him and stuff. But it's interesting how his stock has

591
00:25:32,024 --> 00:25:34,184
Speaker 2: really been opt with being with Sunny, because all of

592
00:25:34,224 --> 00:25:36,304
Speaker 2: a sudden, now people are like way more invested in

593
00:25:36,424 --> 00:25:38,224
Speaker 2: him than they had been previously.

594
00:25:38,384 --> 00:25:39,304
Speaker 4: Like, people loved him.

595
00:25:39,224 --> 00:25:42,024
Speaker 2: In the first episode aired because they were really invested

596
00:25:42,024 --> 00:25:43,904
Speaker 2: in his story of like being a father to his

597
00:25:43,984 --> 00:25:45,984
Speaker 2: sons and how close they were in losing his wife

598
00:25:46,064 --> 00:25:48,504
Speaker 2: and how he spoke about that and wanting to fall

599
00:25:48,504 --> 00:25:50,744
Speaker 2: in love again. And he was, like, you know, from

600
00:25:50,784 --> 00:25:52,864
Speaker 2: what we saw on the show, like respectful and nice

601
00:25:52,904 --> 00:25:55,304
Speaker 2: throughout the whole show pretty much. But I think towards

602
00:25:55,344 --> 00:25:57,424
Speaker 2: the end people were just like they were more invested

603
00:25:57,464 --> 00:25:59,744
Speaker 2: in the leading ladies and the leading man to an extent.

604
00:26:00,024 --> 00:26:03,504
Speaker 3: I think most successful relationships, in my eyes, have a

605
00:26:04,024 --> 00:26:07,104
Speaker 3: extrovert and an introvert, and maybe Bear is just the

606
00:26:07,144 --> 00:26:09,344
Speaker 3: more reserved one and then Sonny's the fun one.

607
00:26:09,424 --> 00:26:13,544
Speaker 1: Like that's how good relationships work. Yeah, you gotta have balance.

608
00:26:13,864 --> 00:26:15,384
Speaker 2: It's funny how like at the end of some of

609
00:26:15,384 --> 00:26:18,424
Speaker 2: these shows. Sometimes you see like the star is like, oh,

610
00:26:18,464 --> 00:26:21,024
Speaker 2: I just want to keep being on TV, like I

611
00:26:21,064 --> 00:26:22,544
Speaker 2: don't want this to end. I want it, but you can.

612
00:26:22,664 --> 00:26:24,304
Speaker 2: I kind of get the vibe from there that he's

613
00:26:24,344 --> 00:26:25,744
Speaker 2: like quite happy for the show to be over and

614
00:26:25,744 --> 00:26:28,144
Speaker 2: he's quite happy to like step out of the spotlight,

615
00:26:28,384 --> 00:26:30,504
Speaker 2: which kind of makes him endearing. I don't know.

616
00:26:30,784 --> 00:26:33,704
Speaker 1: The tricks accent very hard to play really.

617
00:26:35,344 --> 00:26:38,024
Speaker 3: I know he's Canadian, but it doesn't sound it's an

618
00:26:38,064 --> 00:26:39,824
Speaker 3: odd mix. I think maybe because he's been here for

619
00:26:39,824 --> 00:26:42,504
Speaker 3: a long time. Yeah, but every time I hear him talk, I'm.

620
00:26:42,344 --> 00:26:44,984
Speaker 2: Like maybe being on TV and now we'll hear him

621
00:26:44,984 --> 00:26:48,384
Speaker 2: talk differently. But anyway, those two crazy kids are together.

622
00:26:48,384 --> 00:26:50,624
Speaker 2: I hope they make it work. But overall, I think

623
00:26:50,664 --> 00:26:52,744
Speaker 2: like the first season the Golden batchl in Australia has

624
00:26:52,784 --> 00:26:55,144
Speaker 2: been like I know there was some bumping into the

625
00:26:55,224 --> 00:26:57,144
Speaker 2: ratings and stuff, but overall, I feel like people have

626
00:26:57,224 --> 00:26:58,984
Speaker 2: been very invested in it, and I think I just

627
00:26:59,024 --> 00:27:01,664
Speaker 2: think Golden Bachelor next I think will be the kicker,

628
00:27:01,704 --> 00:27:08,824
Speaker 2: like that's what they need to do. So last week

629
00:27:08,864 --> 00:27:12,504
Speaker 2: we talked about Christian A big star started a seventieth

630
00:27:12,584 --> 00:27:15,424
Speaker 2: birthday bash, and yeah, a bit of a bone to

631
00:27:15,424 --> 00:27:17,824
Speaker 2: pick with the Kardashians and Megan Markle, because after we

632
00:27:17,864 --> 00:27:20,544
Speaker 2: had done our whole big debrief of the party of

633
00:27:20,584 --> 00:27:22,704
Speaker 2: who was there and all the glitz and glamour and

634
00:27:22,704 --> 00:27:25,464
Speaker 2: all the celebrity guests and everything, the next day a

635
00:27:25,504 --> 00:27:27,984
Speaker 2: bigger news story broke that we're only speaking about now

636
00:27:28,024 --> 00:27:30,584
Speaker 2: because we have gathered all the information, and that is

637
00:27:30,624 --> 00:27:32,784
Speaker 2: the fact that Megan Markle and Prince Harry, as we

638
00:27:32,824 --> 00:27:35,384
Speaker 2: said at the time, attended the baby to Baby Gala

639
00:27:35,424 --> 00:27:38,984
Speaker 2: to honor their friends Serena Williams, who was one of

640
00:27:38,984 --> 00:27:41,584
Speaker 2: the chairs of that event, and then they party hopped

641
00:27:41,624 --> 00:27:46,264
Speaker 2: across town, as many celebs did to Christiana's seventieth birthday party,

642
00:27:46,504 --> 00:27:48,944
Speaker 2: leading me to some questions and some intrigue about what

643
00:27:48,984 --> 00:27:52,224
Speaker 2: time these events were. But that turned out, my debate

644
00:27:52,264 --> 00:27:54,184
Speaker 2: about the timing of the party turned out not to

645
00:27:54,184 --> 00:27:56,024
Speaker 2: be the most interesting thing about the night, if you

646
00:27:56,064 --> 00:27:59,224
Speaker 2: can believe it, because the next day, the Kardashians, who

647
00:27:59,224 --> 00:28:02,504
Speaker 2: will all be Instagram grid posters, like Instagram is their

648
00:28:02,544 --> 00:28:06,904
Speaker 2: platform of choice, through and through particularly Christiana and Kim Kardashian,

649
00:28:07,344 --> 00:28:11,384
Speaker 2: who both posted picks of the party, and in their carousels,

650
00:28:11,464 --> 00:28:14,864
Speaker 2: they both included photos of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle,

651
00:28:14,944 --> 00:28:18,264
Speaker 2: but more so Meghan Markle very much front and center,

652
00:28:18,384 --> 00:28:21,864
Speaker 2: posing for photos, laughing on the dance floor. She looked gorgeous,

653
00:28:21,904 --> 00:28:23,744
Speaker 2: looked like she was having the time of her life

654
00:28:24,104 --> 00:28:26,624
Speaker 2: in this room of every single famous person. It was

655
00:28:26,624 --> 00:28:29,024
Speaker 2: like being at the Oscars. Every single famous person was there,

656
00:28:29,744 --> 00:28:32,144
Speaker 2: and so that was like a little bit headline making,

657
00:28:32,264 --> 00:28:35,824
Speaker 2: but not really anything to give a second look until

658
00:28:35,864 --> 00:28:38,504
Speaker 2: the next day, when all the photos of Meghan and

659
00:28:38,504 --> 00:28:43,664
Speaker 2: Harry mysteriously disappeared from all these grid posts, leading to

660
00:28:43,864 --> 00:28:46,024
Speaker 2: an outpouring of speculation of what had happened.

661
00:28:46,024 --> 00:28:46,784
Speaker 4: Behind the scenes.

662
00:28:47,024 --> 00:28:50,864
Speaker 3: Meghan and Harry in fact asked the Kardashians to remove

663
00:28:51,464 --> 00:28:53,504
Speaker 3: the images from the carousel posts.

664
00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,664
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what we think happened. So obviously no

665
00:28:56,704 --> 00:28:59,184
Speaker 2: one has spoken about it. Meghan and Harry would never

666
00:28:59,224 --> 00:29:03,904
Speaker 2: comment on this. The Kardashians might comment on it in

667
00:29:03,944 --> 00:29:06,344
Speaker 2: a behind the scenes clip from The Kardashians where they'll

668
00:29:06,384 --> 00:29:08,904
Speaker 2: kind of discuss it neutually for the cameras, but the

669
00:29:08,944 --> 00:29:11,104
Speaker 2: way they film were about two years out from that,

670
00:29:11,424 --> 00:29:14,064
Speaker 2: so until then we don't have a definitive answer, so

671
00:29:14,184 --> 00:29:17,064
Speaker 2: all we know is that they disappeared from their grids,

672
00:29:17,424 --> 00:29:20,224
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have been because the Kardashians will post

673
00:29:20,224 --> 00:29:22,664
Speaker 2: a photo with anyone, like their cachet doesn't go up

674
00:29:22,664 --> 00:29:24,704
Speaker 2: and down, like the more fame, the better on their

675
00:29:24,864 --> 00:29:28,704
Speaker 2: d So there's no way Christian or Kim Kardashian would have,

676
00:29:29,184 --> 00:29:31,944
Speaker 2: you know, would have deleted those photos. So it does

677
00:29:32,024 --> 00:29:34,704
Speaker 2: make sense that the call came from Meghan and Harry,

678
00:29:34,744 --> 00:29:37,224
Speaker 2: but then it kind of begged the question as to why,

679
00:29:37,264 --> 00:29:39,464
Speaker 2: because they were at the event, they were photograph going in,

680
00:29:39,944 --> 00:29:44,184
Speaker 2: and then only recently it's come out that through People Magazine,

681
00:29:44,224 --> 00:29:48,144
Speaker 2: which is Meghan and Harry's often publication of choice, where

682
00:29:48,144 --> 00:29:51,904
Speaker 2: they give interviews to them or they just have their

683
00:29:51,984 --> 00:29:54,464
Speaker 2: team comment to them as a source. But because People

684
00:29:54,544 --> 00:29:56,744
Speaker 2: verify it, we know it's them. And I guess that's

685
00:29:56,744 --> 00:29:58,984
Speaker 2: because they've had a bit of a shaky ground with

686
00:29:59,464 --> 00:30:02,024
Speaker 2: publications in the past. They've had really shaky ground with

687
00:30:02,064 --> 00:30:04,584
Speaker 2: like Vanity Fair, with Vogue, even with some of the

688
00:30:05,024 --> 00:30:08,104
Speaker 2: other trade publications. So People Magazine is like Harry and

689
00:30:08,104 --> 00:30:12,944
Speaker 2: Meghan's safe publication. So the story that People ran, which

690
00:30:12,984 --> 00:30:16,504
Speaker 2: we can assume is directly from Meghan Markle's camp, was

691
00:30:16,544 --> 00:30:20,544
Speaker 2: that there were waivers available at the party to sign

692
00:30:20,624 --> 00:30:22,984
Speaker 2: and you could tick the I want my photos published

693
00:30:22,984 --> 00:30:25,544
Speaker 2: box or not, And apparently Meghan and Harry are saying

694
00:30:25,824 --> 00:30:29,264
Speaker 2: that they ticked no, and so the photos being posted

695
00:30:29,464 --> 00:30:32,784
Speaker 2: is a violation, Whereas now sources have come from the

696
00:30:32,864 --> 00:30:37,184
Speaker 2: Kardashian camp that say there were no photo release forms

697
00:30:37,304 --> 00:30:38,384
Speaker 2: circulated at the party.

698
00:30:38,424 --> 00:30:39,624
Speaker 4: It wasn't that type of an event.

699
00:30:39,784 --> 00:30:41,824
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what you also know about this party is

700
00:30:41,864 --> 00:30:44,624
Speaker 3: that everybody had their phones taken off them when they

701
00:30:44,624 --> 00:30:47,144
Speaker 3: came into the party because they wanted to protect everyone's

702
00:30:47,184 --> 00:30:49,664
Speaker 3: privacy because, as you said, it was the Oscars, like

703
00:30:49,904 --> 00:30:54,944
Speaker 3: every single famous person was there. So the speculation is

704
00:30:54,944 --> 00:30:58,064
Speaker 3: that Harry and Meghan one of those photos removed because

705
00:30:58,624 --> 00:31:02,344
Speaker 3: it was a remembrance Day obviously on the Sunday, and

706
00:31:02,424 --> 00:31:05,064
Speaker 3: they didn't want to upset the royal family and wanted

707
00:31:05,104 --> 00:31:07,024
Speaker 3: to sort of try to get the relationship back with

708
00:31:07,144 --> 00:31:09,304
Speaker 3: King Charles and the rest of the royal family. The

709
00:31:09,384 --> 00:31:13,304
Speaker 3: problem with that is that they were so the speculation

710
00:31:13,504 --> 00:31:16,104
Speaker 3: is that Kim has then said that she's really pissed

711
00:31:16,184 --> 00:31:20,024
Speaker 3: off with Meghan about this. She said that, you know,

712
00:31:20,144 --> 00:31:22,064
Speaker 3: they were more than happy to be photographed at the

713
00:31:22,064 --> 00:31:23,944
Speaker 3: baby to Baby Gaala, but now they're not happy to

714
00:31:23,944 --> 00:31:29,184
Speaker 3: be photographed at, you know, at Chris's seventieth birthday. The

715
00:31:29,304 --> 00:31:33,224
Speaker 3: interesting thing about this, I think is that Chris and

716
00:31:33,384 --> 00:31:36,784
Speaker 3: Kim are so used to being the most famous person

717
00:31:37,224 --> 00:31:40,304
Speaker 3: in a room, and I feel like this whole room

718
00:31:40,904 --> 00:31:45,184
Speaker 3: Chris's seventieth birthday was so full of A listers, And

719
00:31:45,224 --> 00:31:49,104
Speaker 3: then Meghan's like sort of showing trying to show a

720
00:31:49,104 --> 00:31:51,864
Speaker 3: bit of power towards Kim and say, you know, you

721
00:31:51,864 --> 00:31:53,784
Speaker 3: need to take them down because I'm too paous, we're

722
00:31:53,824 --> 00:31:58,464
Speaker 3: too famous for this. And Kim's pissed off because she

723
00:31:58,504 --> 00:32:00,344
Speaker 3: doesn't want to have to do that because she's usually

724
00:32:00,344 --> 00:32:01,104
Speaker 3: the bus, do.

725
00:32:01,064 --> 00:32:01,704
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

726
00:32:01,904 --> 00:32:04,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to an extent, I think I think the

727
00:32:04,784 --> 00:32:07,024
Speaker 2: Karashians would just be annoyed that it kind of paints

728
00:32:07,064 --> 00:32:10,264
Speaker 2: them in a slightly bad light to look like someone

729
00:32:10,384 --> 00:32:12,344
Speaker 2: didn't want to be in their photos. And then that

730
00:32:12,544 --> 00:32:15,304
Speaker 2: story has it was such a kind of a good

731
00:32:15,344 --> 00:32:18,464
Speaker 2: will for that family to have all these famous people,

732
00:32:18,544 --> 00:32:20,104
Speaker 2: you know, like Beyonce and jay Z were there.

733
00:32:20,264 --> 00:32:21,944
Speaker 4: They go to nothing like you know.

734
00:32:21,904 --> 00:32:23,624
Speaker 2: And they were all like the amount of people in

735
00:32:23,664 --> 00:32:27,064
Speaker 2: that room who were like the kind of old school

736
00:32:27,104 --> 00:32:29,464
Speaker 2: Hollywood stars, And it was kind of this thing of that,

737
00:32:29,544 --> 00:32:31,904
Speaker 2: like for so long the Kardashians were like the new

738
00:32:31,944 --> 00:32:34,944
Speaker 2: money in town, like they were reality family, the kind

739
00:32:34,984 --> 00:32:37,944
Speaker 2: of real A list stars. Hollywood didn't want to interact

740
00:32:37,944 --> 00:32:40,784
Speaker 2: with them in any way. And now you've got like,

741
00:32:41,104 --> 00:32:43,624
Speaker 2: you know, Kim's co stars from All's Fair, you know,

742
00:32:43,704 --> 00:32:47,224
Speaker 2: Naomi Watts and Sarah Paulson who were like critically acclaimed actresses. Again,

743
00:32:47,224 --> 00:32:49,824
Speaker 2: You've got Beyonce there, You've got Snoop Dog, You've got

744
00:32:49,824 --> 00:32:51,664
Speaker 2: all these kind of like you know, these really old

745
00:32:51,744 --> 00:32:55,984
Speaker 2: kind of guard of celebrities, not just reality stars who

746
00:32:55,984 --> 00:32:57,424
Speaker 2: were there. So it was like this idea that they

747
00:32:57,424 --> 00:33:00,104
Speaker 2: were like accepted into Holly, were not just accepted, but

748
00:33:00,224 --> 00:33:03,064
Speaker 2: the power players. And then to have the storyline be

749
00:33:03,184 --> 00:33:05,024
Speaker 2: that Megan mikel didn't want to be in a photo

750
00:33:05,064 --> 00:33:06,904
Speaker 2: with them, I'm sure that they wouldn't love and just

751
00:33:06,944 --> 00:33:09,464
Speaker 2: having kind of any negative press that they didn't engineer

752
00:33:10,944 --> 00:33:13,304
Speaker 2: with the form. If people are saying there's a photo

753
00:33:13,304 --> 00:33:15,184
Speaker 2: form and there's a back and forth over that, I

754
00:33:15,184 --> 00:33:18,144
Speaker 2: would say it would be the filming form that like.

755
00:33:18,424 --> 00:33:21,784
Speaker 3: For the Kardashians, Yeah, I hovee that there wasn't any

756
00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:23,784
Speaker 3: crew there for keeping up.

757
00:33:23,864 --> 00:33:27,664
Speaker 2: Well, they often the Kardashians. Yeah, so often with the

758
00:33:27,744 --> 00:33:30,064
Speaker 2: Kardashians at those events. Yeah, they don't have a full

759
00:33:30,144 --> 00:33:32,024
Speaker 2: film crew there, but what they do is because they're

760
00:33:32,024 --> 00:33:34,904
Speaker 2: all filming on their own phones and then they obviously

761
00:33:34,904 --> 00:33:38,344
Speaker 2: they often take that footage. Sometimes they'll turn it into

762
00:33:38,424 --> 00:33:41,784
Speaker 2: an entire special. So like Kim and Kanye's wedding was

763
00:33:42,064 --> 00:33:43,784
Speaker 2: not there was no camera crew there. It's all just

764
00:33:43,824 --> 00:33:46,424
Speaker 2: filmed on people's phones, but they still had to get

765
00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:48,864
Speaker 2: everyone to sign the release because they still made it

766
00:33:48,904 --> 00:33:52,384
Speaker 2: into an episode. The same with Courtney and Travis's wedding

767
00:33:52,504 --> 00:33:54,504
Speaker 2: and with a lot of their Christmas parties. They don't

768
00:33:54,544 --> 00:33:56,504
Speaker 2: have an official crew there, but they still have so

769
00:33:56,584 --> 00:33:58,864
Speaker 2: much footage. And the thing is you have to get

770
00:33:58,864 --> 00:34:01,344
Speaker 2: people to sign the release forms on the day, even

771
00:34:01,344 --> 00:34:03,184
Speaker 2: if you just want to use it as a little background,

772
00:34:03,464 --> 00:34:05,104
Speaker 2: like they might have just had like a little scene

773
00:34:05,504 --> 00:34:09,064
Speaker 2: flash up when they were talking about the party. So normally,

774
00:34:09,104 --> 00:34:11,784
Speaker 2: if you go to any kind of filming thing, but

775
00:34:11,864 --> 00:34:14,144
Speaker 2: any kind of event in yeah, any kind of event

776
00:34:14,184 --> 00:34:17,584
Speaker 2: in Hollywood, where the person involved is in a reality show,

777
00:34:17,704 --> 00:34:19,504
Speaker 2: you always have to sign a waiver on the way in,

778
00:34:19,624 --> 00:34:21,744
Speaker 2: just in case you're shown in the background. Yeah, so

779
00:34:21,784 --> 00:34:24,544
Speaker 2: I wonder if that was the form the filming waiver

780
00:34:25,104 --> 00:34:28,384
Speaker 2: to be on the Kardashians potentially is what they decided

781
00:34:28,384 --> 00:34:30,544
Speaker 2: not to sign, and then that kind of bled over

782
00:34:30,744 --> 00:34:33,424
Speaker 2: into the photos on Instagram, which would have been a

783
00:34:33,464 --> 00:34:34,064
Speaker 2: separate form.

784
00:34:34,304 --> 00:34:38,784
Speaker 3: But the reason that they're more upset about the images

785
00:34:38,784 --> 00:34:40,904
Speaker 3: from the seventieth birthday rather than than Baby to Baby,

786
00:34:41,024 --> 00:34:43,664
Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty clear distinction. Yeah, like Baby

787
00:34:43,664 --> 00:34:46,304
Speaker 3: to Babies a charity, and this is the seventieth birthday party,

788
00:34:46,344 --> 00:34:48,544
Speaker 3: which is everyone just having fun.

789
00:34:48,744 --> 00:34:50,544
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a reason for the charity.

790
00:34:51,104 --> 00:34:52,624
Speaker 2: This is where I think. I don't think there's any

791
00:34:52,704 --> 00:34:55,104
Speaker 2: kind of bad blood between and you know, it's kind

792
00:34:55,144 --> 00:34:57,664
Speaker 2: of come out that it's between Megan Markel and Kimgardashian,

793
00:34:57,744 --> 00:34:59,504
Speaker 2: the two as the two most famous names that have

794
00:34:59,544 --> 00:35:01,784
Speaker 2: become the two names in this I don't think it's

795
00:35:01,784 --> 00:35:04,264
Speaker 2: that there's any kind of personal bad blood between them,

796
00:35:04,344 --> 00:35:06,984
Speaker 2: Like from the photos that looked like they were really close.

797
00:35:07,664 --> 00:35:11,064
Speaker 2: It's more so that their brands just don't mesh. As

798
00:35:11,104 --> 00:35:12,824
Speaker 2: we were saying last week, like a lot of the

799
00:35:13,144 --> 00:35:16,384
Speaker 2: issues with and why Prince Harriet and Meg and Mirkle

800
00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:19,464
Speaker 2: were getting so much backlash is that the pictures of

801
00:35:19,464 --> 00:35:22,784
Speaker 2: them spooking like their new Netflix show or like added

802
00:35:22,824 --> 00:35:25,224
Speaker 2: all these big A lists to Hollywood events came at

803
00:35:25,264 --> 00:35:28,424
Speaker 2: the same time as there were photos of Prince William

804
00:35:28,464 --> 00:35:31,704
Speaker 2: and Kate Middleton, you know, being very dutiful and serviceful

805
00:35:31,904 --> 00:35:34,504
Speaker 2: at these Remembrance Day events and doing these kind of

806
00:35:34,504 --> 00:35:36,544
Speaker 2: public meet and greets with general people.

807
00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:37,944
Speaker 4: And then William.

808
00:35:37,544 --> 00:35:39,904
Speaker 2: Gave an interview about what it was like to sort

809
00:35:39,904 --> 00:35:42,304
Speaker 2: of support Kate through her cancer diagnosis and how they

810
00:35:42,304 --> 00:35:45,224
Speaker 2: told their kids. So you have theseel yeah, you have

811
00:35:45,304 --> 00:35:48,424
Speaker 2: these really two very different narratives around these two famous

812
00:35:48,504 --> 00:35:51,264
Speaker 2: royal couples running at the same time. And then again

813
00:35:51,384 --> 00:35:54,144
Speaker 2: like Megan Michael her whole brand, like standing next to

814
00:35:54,184 --> 00:35:56,424
Speaker 2: Serena Williams at the Baby to Baby, which is a

815
00:35:56,504 --> 00:36:00,544
Speaker 2: charity for women and children who don't have who don't

816
00:36:00,544 --> 00:36:01,944
Speaker 2: have money, and like it's a huge thing that a

817
00:36:01,984 --> 00:36:04,544
Speaker 2: lot of Hollywood women get involved in. That's very on

818
00:36:04,624 --> 00:36:06,944
Speaker 2: brand for her. But being at a party for the

819
00:36:07,024 --> 00:36:12,024
Speaker 2: Kardashians hosted by Jeff Bezos is kind of off brand

820
00:36:12,104 --> 00:36:13,704
Speaker 2: from the what she's trying to put out.

821
00:36:13,584 --> 00:36:14,264
Speaker 4: Into the world. Yeah.

822
00:36:14,264 --> 00:36:17,424
Speaker 3: I mean if you think about you know, Meghan Mirkles

823
00:36:17,464 --> 00:36:22,104
Speaker 3: brand is more wholesome. It's that early two thousands Pinterest board.

824
00:36:22,264 --> 00:36:25,544
Speaker 3: Everything is curated and you know, I'm in a perfect

825
00:36:25,544 --> 00:36:27,424
Speaker 3: white sweater, making cake.

826
00:36:27,264 --> 00:36:29,584
Speaker 1: And it's all. It's really really.

827
00:36:29,344 --> 00:36:32,824
Speaker 3: Curated, whereas I think Kim Kardashian is a lot more edgy.

828
00:36:32,904 --> 00:36:35,384
Speaker 3: She's happier to push the boundaries. I mean, you just

829
00:36:35,424 --> 00:36:37,624
Speaker 3: have to look at the marketing for Skins to see that.

830
00:36:37,664 --> 00:36:40,344
Speaker 3: You know, we've got the Mrkin underwear, We've got the

831
00:36:40,584 --> 00:36:42,224
Speaker 3: you know, the nipple bra, which we've spoken about.

832
00:36:42,504 --> 00:36:45,824
Speaker 1: But yeah, they really do clash quite heavily.

833
00:36:46,544 --> 00:36:50,944
Speaker 3: And I don't imagine Kim would have been particularly happy

834
00:36:51,064 --> 00:36:54,264
Speaker 3: being told what to do by someone else.

835
00:36:54,504 --> 00:36:56,264
Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad blood. I just think that

836
00:36:56,744 --> 00:36:59,024
Speaker 1: there would be a bit of like excuse.

837
00:36:58,624 --> 00:37:00,984
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, Like it's like, now you've made the story

838
00:37:01,024 --> 00:37:03,064
Speaker 2: about this, where we could have just kind of swept

839
00:37:03,104 --> 00:37:05,144
Speaker 2: past it. I just think that the Meghan Markle and

840
00:37:05,224 --> 00:37:08,984
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian, their brands don't mesh. Because Megan mincles in

841
00:37:09,024 --> 00:37:12,584
Speaker 2: this really like to honest, quite difficult position where she

842
00:37:12,824 --> 00:37:15,344
Speaker 2: obviously wants to be like a media darling, like she

843
00:37:15,384 --> 00:37:17,464
Speaker 2: wants to have a lifestyle brand, she wants to be

844
00:37:17,504 --> 00:37:20,144
Speaker 2: on TV, she wants to be in the kind of

845
00:37:20,224 --> 00:37:22,744
Speaker 2: upper echelons of Hollywood, and she wants that to be

846
00:37:22,824 --> 00:37:26,184
Speaker 2: her brand. But because of how she has sort of

847
00:37:26,224 --> 00:37:30,864
Speaker 2: platformed herself as this humanitarian and this person who you

848
00:37:30,904 --> 00:37:32,384
Speaker 2: know is he and she always says like, I'm just

849
00:37:32,384 --> 00:37:34,024
Speaker 2: here for the greater good. I'm not here to like

850
00:37:34,144 --> 00:37:35,664
Speaker 2: I'm not here to run a business. I'm here to

851
00:37:35,704 --> 00:37:38,464
Speaker 2: help people. Because of that, it puts her in such

852
00:37:38,464 --> 00:37:42,064
Speaker 2: an awkward position whenever she goes to a Hollywood event,

853
00:37:42,104 --> 00:37:44,944
Speaker 2: whenever she makes a product, she always has to fall

854
00:37:44,984 --> 00:37:47,744
Speaker 2: back on, like her tagline is like, It's not about me,

855
00:37:47,824 --> 00:37:50,544
Speaker 2: It's about the people I'm serving, And that is That

856
00:37:50,664 --> 00:37:53,064
Speaker 2: is what all the criticism around her comes back to,

857
00:37:53,584 --> 00:37:56,784
Speaker 2: is that she's put herself an impossible position of wanting

858
00:37:56,824 --> 00:37:59,504
Speaker 2: to be a famous business owner and be a star

859
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:02,224
Speaker 2: and be a celebrity, which is fair enough, like that

860
00:38:02,224 --> 00:38:04,104
Speaker 2: that's what she was before she met Prince Harry, so

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00:38:04,384 --> 00:38:06,704
Speaker 2: it's fair enough that she would want to continue in

862
00:38:06,744 --> 00:38:08,624
Speaker 2: that line of work. That she had always been in

863
00:38:09,064 --> 00:38:13,184
Speaker 2: but now because she's put this kind of charity exterior

864
00:38:13,264 --> 00:38:17,984
Speaker 2: around it, it just makes people question everything she does, whereas, weirdly,

865
00:38:18,144 --> 00:38:21,384
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian has a very very honest brand, whether you

866
00:38:21,784 --> 00:38:23,344
Speaker 2: like her or not, because she was like, I really

867
00:38:23,424 --> 00:38:25,744
Speaker 2: wanted to be famous. I work so hard to be famous.

868
00:38:26,024 --> 00:38:28,344
Speaker 2: I care about being famous so much. I care about

869
00:38:28,344 --> 00:38:30,864
Speaker 2: getting headlines. I want people to talk about me. I

870
00:38:30,944 --> 00:38:33,544
Speaker 2: want to make money. I want my business to be successful.

871
00:38:33,784 --> 00:38:36,744
Speaker 2: And because of that, she's got these little side layers

872
00:38:36,744 --> 00:38:40,184
Speaker 2: of like doing prison reform and giving to charity and stuff,

873
00:38:40,224 --> 00:38:42,504
Speaker 2: but her bottom line is always like, I want to

874
00:38:42,504 --> 00:38:45,384
Speaker 2: be famous and make money, which weirdly has made people

875
00:38:45,464 --> 00:38:48,424
Speaker 2: a lot more accepting of her over Megan Markle, if

876
00:38:48,424 --> 00:38:50,704
Speaker 2: that makes sense, because she's honest, Well she's yeah, she's

877
00:38:50,704 --> 00:38:52,184
Speaker 2: presented honest about it.

878
00:38:52,904 --> 00:38:55,984
Speaker 1: She's being honest about it rather than portraying.

879
00:38:55,904 --> 00:38:58,344
Speaker 3: Because it feels fake, it feels forced. I think that's

880
00:38:58,344 --> 00:38:59,704
Speaker 3: a lot of what a lot of people see with

881
00:38:59,784 --> 00:39:02,784
Speaker 3: Meghan Markel. A lot of the criticism is it's forced,

882
00:39:02,864 --> 00:39:07,104
Speaker 3: it's fake. There's no authenticity there, and authenticity is the

883
00:39:07,144 --> 00:39:08,584
Speaker 3: thing that people love the most.

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00:39:08,624 --> 00:39:10,984
Speaker 1: On socials, you know, And.

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00:39:10,784 --> 00:39:13,344
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't say that Kim is essentially very

886
00:39:13,544 --> 00:39:16,664
Speaker 3: authentic all the time, but she's happy to sort of

887
00:39:16,664 --> 00:39:18,424
Speaker 3: be honest about why she wants things.

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00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:20,184
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that at the end of the day,

889
00:39:20,224 --> 00:39:22,104
Speaker 2: Kim Kardashian's I know a lot of people say her

890
00:39:22,104 --> 00:39:24,824
Speaker 2: superpower is how she looks. It's definitely how she looks.

891
00:39:25,104 --> 00:39:26,984
Speaker 2: But I just think that her superpower is more that

892
00:39:27,424 --> 00:39:29,664
Speaker 2: how willing she is to put herself out there. Like

893
00:39:29,984 --> 00:39:32,304
Speaker 2: you don't talk before about how on the Kardashians, she

894
00:39:32,424 --> 00:39:34,584
Speaker 2: is the most famous one in that family, and she

895
00:39:34,624 --> 00:39:37,704
Speaker 2: puts the most on camera. She's filmed herself this week

896
00:39:37,904 --> 00:39:40,744
Speaker 2: sobbing because she didn't pass the bar exam, even though

897
00:39:40,784 --> 00:39:42,624
Speaker 2: like her initial post she put up was like I

898
00:39:42,664 --> 00:39:45,544
Speaker 2: play lawyer on TV and or not one now and

899
00:39:45,584 --> 00:39:47,984
Speaker 2: it's I'm disappointed, but we keep going. And then to

900
00:39:48,184 --> 00:39:50,984
Speaker 2: show a photo of herself crying and being like essentially

901
00:39:51,024 --> 00:39:53,344
Speaker 2: like it failed again and these are the reasons. And

902
00:39:54,064 --> 00:39:57,424
Speaker 2: also this week her saying that the worst executive producers

903
00:39:57,464 --> 00:40:00,384
Speaker 2: of reality television in the whole world are Chris Jenna

904
00:40:00,544 --> 00:40:03,864
Speaker 2: and Courtney Kardashian because they want to cut She says

905
00:40:03,864 --> 00:40:06,384
Speaker 2: they always want to cut all the moments where the

906
00:40:06,424 --> 00:40:10,144
Speaker 2: family's fighting or having disagreevance, and Kim Kardashian said that

907
00:40:10,384 --> 00:40:14,504
Speaker 2: she pushes to keep those really personal, but also just

908
00:40:14,544 --> 00:40:16,744
Speaker 2: like kind of almost grotesque moments in of her and

909
00:40:16,864 --> 00:40:19,104
Speaker 2: Courtney as two grown women screaming at each other and

910
00:40:19,104 --> 00:40:22,104
Speaker 2: slapping each other across the faces. That paints them in

911
00:40:22,144 --> 00:40:26,224
Speaker 2: a terrible light, like it really does a disservice to

912
00:40:26,264 --> 00:40:30,144
Speaker 2: their brand. But Kim kardashi is so like brand and

913
00:40:30,184 --> 00:40:32,944
Speaker 2: fame focused that she's like, I'd rather kind of like

914
00:40:32,984 --> 00:40:35,184
Speaker 2: be a bit humiliated on TV if it means that

915
00:40:35,224 --> 00:40:37,304
Speaker 2: we're putting out a product that more people will watch.

916
00:40:37,864 --> 00:40:41,224
Speaker 2: Whereas Meghan Markle is like so curated because she has

917
00:40:41,304 --> 00:40:44,584
Speaker 2: to be because you know, she knows how much she's Kim.

918
00:40:44,744 --> 00:40:47,624
Speaker 2: So in a way, Kim is so uncurated, and Megan

919
00:40:47,664 --> 00:40:50,264
Speaker 2: mikl is overly curated. So when you mix their brands

920
00:40:50,264 --> 00:40:52,664
Speaker 2: together in such a public way, like I feel like

921
00:40:52,704 --> 00:40:54,904
Speaker 2: something like this, like a photo being taken down, was

922
00:40:54,984 --> 00:40:55,904
Speaker 2: just destined to happen.

923
00:40:56,344 --> 00:40:57,984
Speaker 3: It's I think once it gets to that point, they

924
00:40:57,984 --> 00:41:01,824
Speaker 3: should have just left it. It's too once the horse

925
00:41:01,824 --> 00:41:03,904
Speaker 3: has bolted, it's too late. To try and put the

926
00:41:03,944 --> 00:41:06,024
Speaker 3: jack in the box. I just mix two metaphors there,

927
00:41:06,024 --> 00:41:06,504
Speaker 3: But I.

928
00:41:06,424 --> 00:41:08,264
Speaker 2: Think that what you were saying, Yeah, it's almost like

929
00:41:08,424 --> 00:41:11,024
Speaker 2: if someone had said to Megan Markle, like, you know,

930
00:41:11,064 --> 00:41:13,864
Speaker 2: it's gonna draw way more attention. But maybe also because

931
00:41:13,904 --> 00:41:15,584
Speaker 2: it was a carousel of photos and there were so

932
00:41:15,624 --> 00:41:18,464
Speaker 2: many photos in there. Maybe it's crazy to think this,

933
00:41:18,944 --> 00:41:20,864
Speaker 2: but maybe they didn't think people would notice because there

934
00:41:20,904 --> 00:41:22,944
Speaker 2: were so many photos from that party going out.

935
00:41:23,104 --> 00:41:25,624
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't think it's that it's in there.

936
00:41:25,624 --> 00:41:28,704
Speaker 3: It's in a full carousel. Sure you didn't want it initially,

937
00:41:29,344 --> 00:41:33,704
Speaker 3: but it would have blown over if they hadn't tried

938
00:41:33,744 --> 00:41:34,104
Speaker 3: to like.

939
00:41:34,144 --> 00:41:37,304
Speaker 2: Pull to take it all down, because it's just But

940
00:41:37,344 --> 00:41:38,904
Speaker 2: there was also the thing of like, you know, were

941
00:41:38,904 --> 00:41:40,784
Speaker 2: they like not wearying like Megan mikl for people saying

942
00:41:40,864 --> 00:41:42,304
Speaker 2: she was not wearing a poppy and she should have

943
00:41:42,344 --> 00:41:44,784
Speaker 2: been wearing this, And there was all these different layers.

944
00:41:44,824 --> 00:41:47,224
Speaker 2: So I understand in the moment, especially if you're mega

945
00:41:47,224 --> 00:41:49,784
Speaker 2: Markel and you're so used to having you know, like

946
00:41:49,824 --> 00:41:53,304
Speaker 2: again we were saying, she's she's parted ways with publications

947
00:41:53,344 --> 00:41:56,104
Speaker 2: and stylists and people on her team and things because

948
00:41:56,104 --> 00:41:59,384
Speaker 2: they haven't protected her or like put her into the

949
00:41:59,384 --> 00:42:02,304
Speaker 2: world and the way she wanted. So I think that

950
00:42:02,304 --> 00:42:05,064
Speaker 2: that's like the kind of one unforgivable thing in their world,

951
00:42:05,184 --> 00:42:07,664
Speaker 2: is like if you put their brand out in a

952
00:42:07,664 --> 00:42:09,704
Speaker 2: way that they don't like, that's kind of the one

953
00:42:09,704 --> 00:42:11,784
Speaker 2: thing with Megan Harriet that they can't move past.

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