1 00:00:11,464 --> 00:00:16,064 Speaker 1: You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma Mia acknowledges 2 00:00:16,144 --> 00:00:19,624 Speaker 1: the traditional owners of land and borders that this podcast 3 00:00:19,704 --> 00:00:27,304 Speaker 1: is recorded on from Mamma Mia. Welcome to the Spill, 4 00:00:27,344 --> 00:00:30,744 Speaker 1: your daily pop culture fix. I'm Laura Brodneck and I'm Vernon. 5 00:00:30,904 --> 00:00:34,224 Speaker 1: And do we have an action package show for you today? 6 00:00:34,344 --> 00:00:36,144 Speaker 1: I know that sounds dramatic, but I stand by it 7 00:00:36,184 --> 00:00:39,224 Speaker 1: because a new report has come out about Megan Markle 8 00:00:39,424 --> 00:00:41,984 Speaker 1: and it is absolutely scathing. 9 00:00:42,104 --> 00:00:44,224 Speaker 2: Is it packed with information? 10 00:00:44,344 --> 00:00:46,264 Speaker 1: Actually the gym doesn't make a cameo this time, but 11 00:00:46,464 --> 00:00:47,984 Speaker 1: you know, there's a few things and then we need 12 00:00:47,984 --> 00:00:50,504 Speaker 1: to debunk, so we're gonna get to the bottom of this. Also, 13 00:00:50,744 --> 00:00:53,664 Speaker 1: as an extra special treat, we have a special interview 14 00:00:54,104 --> 00:00:57,984 Speaker 1: done by one Emily Vernon with an Oscar winning actress. 15 00:00:58,064 --> 00:01:00,184 Speaker 1: So that is coming up the clickbait. 16 00:01:00,744 --> 00:01:05,024 Speaker 2: But first, freshly divorced couple Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez 17 00:01:05,104 --> 00:01:08,664 Speaker 2: were spotted having lunch at the Beverly Hills Hotel with 18 00:01:08,784 --> 00:01:12,024 Speaker 2: their children. You can see all the photos are online. 19 00:01:12,064 --> 00:01:14,704 Speaker 2: We don't publish paparazzi photos here, Mummy up, but do 20 00:01:14,784 --> 00:01:17,544 Speaker 2: we look at normalize them and look at them? I 21 00:01:17,624 --> 00:01:20,144 Speaker 2: memorize every single one of those shots. So they looked 22 00:01:20,144 --> 00:01:21,424 Speaker 2: like they were. They were getting out of a car 23 00:01:21,464 --> 00:01:24,664 Speaker 2: walking into the hotel together. He was holding a coconut sugar. 24 00:01:24,704 --> 00:01:26,144 Speaker 2: Phony coconut sugar fans. 25 00:01:25,944 --> 00:01:28,664 Speaker 1: Out there, I know he's off the Dunkin Donuts coffee. 26 00:01:28,664 --> 00:01:30,704 Speaker 2: He's off the dunkin Donuts coffee. He's moved on to 27 00:01:30,744 --> 00:01:33,344 Speaker 2: better things. They were kind of talking together. They were 28 00:01:33,344 --> 00:01:35,624 Speaker 2: looking very close. There was one shot which was a 29 00:01:35,624 --> 00:01:37,824 Speaker 2: bit unfortunate for him. He looked like he was kind 30 00:01:37,824 --> 00:01:39,864 Speaker 2: of yelling or telling her off, and she was just 31 00:01:39,904 --> 00:01:43,064 Speaker 2: looking super hot and completely blanking him. It was also 32 00:01:43,144 --> 00:01:46,264 Speaker 2: reported that they were very close at the lunch. They 33 00:01:46,304 --> 00:01:49,424 Speaker 2: were sitting together while their children sat at a separate table. 34 00:01:49,864 --> 00:01:51,944 Speaker 1: I think that's a classic kids table situation. 35 00:01:52,104 --> 00:01:54,104 Speaker 2: The kids, except some of their children are like sixteen. 36 00:01:54,344 --> 00:01:56,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, but if your parents are like those two love them, 37 00:01:56,904 --> 00:01:59,584 Speaker 1: both Ben and Jen, but also they would be divers. 38 00:01:59,624 --> 00:02:01,344 Speaker 1: They've got some baggage at five of the kids. I'd 39 00:02:01,344 --> 00:02:02,944 Speaker 1: also be like, you guys need to go sit over 40 00:02:02,984 --> 00:02:04,424 Speaker 1: there separately from us. 41 00:02:04,424 --> 00:02:07,544 Speaker 2: That's fair. It was reported that they shared a kiss 42 00:02:07,944 --> 00:02:10,984 Speaker 2: and that Jennifer Ghana made an appearance to pick up. 43 00:02:11,144 --> 00:02:12,944 Speaker 1: This is way too much for me to take in. 44 00:02:13,904 --> 00:02:16,144 Speaker 2: She came along to pick up the kids that she 45 00:02:16,304 --> 00:02:17,904 Speaker 2: shares with Ben to take them home. 46 00:02:18,344 --> 00:02:21,344 Speaker 1: Okay, they're so, it's just what's I doing. It's such 47 00:02:21,384 --> 00:02:24,144 Speaker 1: a small little series of photos in a tiny video, 48 00:02:24,264 --> 00:02:27,384 Speaker 1: but the amount of information that we have to unpack 49 00:02:27,424 --> 00:02:29,944 Speaker 1: here is obscene. So we know they filed for divorce, 50 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:31,664 Speaker 1: but they both have said, you know, about wanting to 51 00:02:31,664 --> 00:02:34,304 Speaker 1: stay each other's lives. They have kids, have bonded together 52 00:02:34,344 --> 00:02:37,064 Speaker 1: in a family. But they look very happy and smiley 53 00:02:37,104 --> 00:02:39,584 Speaker 1: walking in. But then Ben's face, if you zoom in 54 00:02:39,624 --> 00:02:42,024 Speaker 1: on it does look a bit frozen in a fake smile, 55 00:02:42,064 --> 00:02:44,824 Speaker 1: like he's so aware his stress bend, where these photos 56 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:46,224 Speaker 1: are going to go and how he's going to be 57 00:02:46,224 --> 00:02:47,504 Speaker 1: perceived if he doesn't look happy. 58 00:02:47,544 --> 00:02:49,864 Speaker 2: If you zoom extra extra in, you can see his 59 00:02:49,984 --> 00:02:50,944 Speaker 2: little stress rain poping. 60 00:02:50,984 --> 00:02:52,784 Speaker 1: Now, oh wow, he did well. He would have hated 61 00:02:52,864 --> 00:02:55,624 Speaker 1: being photographed, but you know, that's just they're in a public. 62 00:02:55,344 --> 00:02:57,664 Speaker 2: Question to say, why am I not holding a dunkin? 63 00:02:57,744 --> 00:02:59,744 Speaker 2: Do I have so much money to pay? 64 00:03:00,024 --> 00:03:02,824 Speaker 1: Whereas Jennifer's like knows that she's looking amazing and everyone's 65 00:03:02,864 --> 00:03:05,144 Speaker 1: on her side at the moment. I just think this 66 00:03:05,224 --> 00:03:07,744 Speaker 1: has obviously opened up a whole new narrative around this, 67 00:03:07,864 --> 00:03:09,664 Speaker 1: where so many people are thinking now like are they 68 00:03:09,664 --> 00:03:12,904 Speaker 1: not getting divorce? Are they back on? I wouldn't say that. Look, 69 00:03:12,944 --> 00:03:15,544 Speaker 1: I would love to believe it's true. I would love 70 00:03:15,704 --> 00:03:17,784 Speaker 1: for them to be kissing and getting back together, but 71 00:03:17,824 --> 00:03:20,504 Speaker 1: I just don't think that's true. I just think that 72 00:03:20,624 --> 00:03:22,504 Speaker 1: someone saw them leaning in. Maybe he gave a little 73 00:03:22,504 --> 00:03:23,864 Speaker 1: good bye kiss on the cheek because the're trying to 74 00:03:23,904 --> 00:03:25,864 Speaker 1: be civil with the kids and stuff, and that's blown 75 00:03:25,904 --> 00:03:27,824 Speaker 1: up to they were pashing. It's so funny. I saw 76 00:03:27,864 --> 00:03:29,864 Speaker 1: an all little Instagram post. It's like doing the rounds 77 00:03:29,864 --> 00:03:32,544 Speaker 1: on Twitter and stuff as well. That sums up this perfectly. 78 00:03:32,584 --> 00:03:34,744 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm exhausted by these two. It's like holding 79 00:03:34,744 --> 00:03:36,384 Speaker 1: the door open for a cat, like are you in 80 00:03:36,464 --> 00:03:36,784 Speaker 1: or out? 81 00:03:36,944 --> 00:03:37,144 Speaker 3: Yeah? 82 00:03:37,304 --> 00:03:38,384 Speaker 1: Are you guys in or out? 83 00:03:38,744 --> 00:03:39,664 Speaker 2: That's so true. 84 00:03:39,824 --> 00:03:40,664 Speaker 1: Make up your minds. 85 00:03:40,784 --> 00:03:43,544 Speaker 2: I remember saying so specifically, like I'm so happy when 86 00:03:43,584 --> 00:03:45,504 Speaker 2: they got divorced because that means we won't be hearing 87 00:03:45,544 --> 00:03:47,144 Speaker 2: about them again. And now I feel like we're talking 88 00:03:47,184 --> 00:03:47,504 Speaker 2: about them. 89 00:03:47,504 --> 00:03:49,344 Speaker 1: Are you kidding? That means we'll hear about them way 90 00:03:49,384 --> 00:03:51,224 Speaker 1: more than if they were just like happy and staying 91 00:03:51,264 --> 00:03:51,984 Speaker 1: out of the spotlight. 92 00:03:52,264 --> 00:03:54,224 Speaker 2: I wish go get out. 93 00:03:54,344 --> 00:03:56,704 Speaker 1: No, I care about I really care about this. I'm invested. 94 00:03:56,744 --> 00:04:01,424 Speaker 1: I want like ten more paparazzi photos to analyze. So 95 00:04:01,704 --> 00:04:04,384 Speaker 1: a new article about Meghan Markle and Prince Harry was 96 00:04:04,424 --> 00:04:06,744 Speaker 1: released last week, and they've been in the press a 97 00:04:06,784 --> 00:04:09,224 Speaker 1: lot recently. There was a whole jam demarc well, we 98 00:04:09,224 --> 00:04:11,104 Speaker 1: can't do that again, Emily, but it's got a lot 99 00:04:11,104 --> 00:04:11,824 Speaker 1: of past episodes. 100 00:04:12,144 --> 00:04:13,024 Speaker 2: I things to say. 101 00:04:13,184 --> 00:04:15,424 Speaker 1: I know. Then Prince Harry's birthday, we covered that earlier 102 00:04:15,464 --> 00:04:17,424 Speaker 1: in the week with the royal family sharing a photo. 103 00:04:17,464 --> 00:04:19,584 Speaker 1: It's been sort of back and forth. And then this 104 00:04:19,704 --> 00:04:22,504 Speaker 1: article came out in the Hollywood Reporter, which is interesting 105 00:04:22,504 --> 00:04:26,064 Speaker 1: because they obviously cover a lot of entertainment stories and news. 106 00:04:26,104 --> 00:04:29,064 Speaker 1: They're not above doing a little bit of gossip, but 107 00:04:29,104 --> 00:04:31,744 Speaker 1: they're not a tabloid, so this was quite interesting. Like, 108 00:04:31,784 --> 00:04:33,744 Speaker 1: you do get the feeling that they have spoken to 109 00:04:33,784 --> 00:04:35,824 Speaker 1: a number of sources and they verified at least what 110 00:04:35,864 --> 00:04:38,384 Speaker 1: these people are saying. So the title of the article 111 00:04:38,464 --> 00:04:40,544 Speaker 1: that came out a few days ago is why Hollywood 112 00:04:40,624 --> 00:04:43,504 Speaker 1: keeps quitting on Harry and Megan and like, that's not 113 00:04:43,704 --> 00:04:46,144 Speaker 1: a super flattering title for them. I didn't make a 114 00:04:46,144 --> 00:04:48,464 Speaker 1: lot of headlines at first. It was just like, oh, yeah, 115 00:04:48,464 --> 00:04:50,704 Speaker 1: they've had a few projects not work out, a few 116 00:04:50,704 --> 00:04:53,024 Speaker 1: opportunities kind of not go the way they thought. 117 00:04:53,424 --> 00:04:55,944 Speaker 2: This suppsed to do with their Netflix series that's coming out. 118 00:04:56,144 --> 00:04:57,784 Speaker 1: No, these are at anonymous. This is what I mean. 119 00:04:57,784 --> 00:04:59,704 Speaker 1: It sounds like it's more of a business article, but 120 00:04:59,784 --> 00:05:02,824 Speaker 1: when you actually read it what they say They've talked 121 00:05:02,864 --> 00:05:05,184 Speaker 1: to a bunch of their staff who have given really 122 00:05:05,344 --> 00:05:09,144 Speaker 1: scathing stories and opinions and background on them. So I 123 00:05:09,184 --> 00:05:11,344 Speaker 1: thought it also was going to be like an analysis 124 00:05:11,384 --> 00:05:14,304 Speaker 1: of their Netflix still not working out, their Spotify, all 125 00:05:14,304 --> 00:05:16,424 Speaker 1: those sort of things, like how they're publishing deals, all 126 00:05:16,464 --> 00:05:19,464 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But no, instead it says, looks 127 00:05:19,464 --> 00:05:21,544 Speaker 1: like Harry and Meghan have done it all again. They've 128 00:05:21,624 --> 00:05:27,944 Speaker 1: chewed up yet another American advisor. Oh no, Megan, And 129 00:05:27,944 --> 00:05:30,624 Speaker 1: then it goes on to say Josh Kettler, the Santa 130 00:05:30,664 --> 00:05:33,544 Speaker 1: Barbara based consultant who'd been serving as chief and staff 131 00:05:33,584 --> 00:05:36,904 Speaker 1: to the Duke and Duchess, reportedly resigned in August after 132 00:05:37,024 --> 00:05:39,544 Speaker 1: just three months on the job, becoming the latest member 133 00:05:39,624 --> 00:05:43,584 Speaker 1: of the ever expanding Sussex Survivors Club, as the former 134 00:05:43,624 --> 00:05:45,864 Speaker 1: employees have taken to calling themselves. 135 00:05:46,064 --> 00:05:48,984 Speaker 2: Yeah, we knew about Josh because that happened a while ago. 136 00:05:49,344 --> 00:05:51,784 Speaker 2: I assumed that they made their staff redundant, but then 137 00:05:51,824 --> 00:05:53,584 Speaker 2: it became clear that their staff just quit. 138 00:05:53,904 --> 00:05:55,944 Speaker 1: Yes, because in this article they go on to list 139 00:05:55,984 --> 00:05:58,264 Speaker 1: all the prominent people who've been working for them recently 140 00:05:58,304 --> 00:06:00,944 Speaker 1: and who have left again. You've got to sort of 141 00:06:01,024 --> 00:06:02,864 Speaker 1: just read this with like a bit of a raised 142 00:06:02,904 --> 00:06:04,264 Speaker 1: eyebrow and a bit of critical thinking. 143 00:06:04,504 --> 00:06:06,464 Speaker 2: Kanda knew we were like, well, you had them churning 144 00:06:06,544 --> 00:06:09,784 Speaker 2: jam for like months from nowhere for your to go again. 145 00:06:09,864 --> 00:06:12,104 Speaker 1: Not quite the factual is what we're trying to do here. 146 00:06:12,184 --> 00:06:15,584 Speaker 1: Lege by me leave companies for lots of different reasons. 147 00:06:15,704 --> 00:06:17,504 Speaker 1: We can't say for short it's because Meghan and Harry 148 00:06:17,544 --> 00:06:19,104 Speaker 1: are un reason to work with. I'm sure there's a 149 00:06:19,144 --> 00:06:22,264 Speaker 1: lot of factors here. But they've spoken to some people 150 00:06:22,304 --> 00:06:25,184 Speaker 1: who have stayed anonymous who have spoken about working with 151 00:06:25,224 --> 00:06:29,824 Speaker 1: the couple, particularly Megan, saying everyone's terrified of Megan. She 152 00:06:29,944 --> 00:06:33,864 Speaker 1: belittles people, she doesn't take advice. They're both poor decision makers. 153 00:06:34,104 --> 00:06:37,424 Speaker 1: They change their minds frequently, Harry is a very very 154 00:06:37,504 --> 00:06:40,664 Speaker 1: charming person, no airs at all, but he's very much 155 00:06:40,704 --> 00:06:45,504 Speaker 1: an enabler and she's just terrible. Then they reference the 156 00:06:45,504 --> 00:06:49,584 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen claims from two Royal aids against Meghan Markele 157 00:06:49,704 --> 00:06:52,704 Speaker 1: from staff who are working in Buckingham Palace. Meghan Mark 158 00:06:52,744 --> 00:06:55,104 Speaker 1: at the time was investigated for bullying behavior. There was 159 00:06:55,104 --> 00:06:57,824 Speaker 1: a whole inquiry into it. Again, just take that with 160 00:06:57,864 --> 00:06:59,504 Speaker 1: a touch of salt, because that was coming off the 161 00:06:59,544 --> 00:07:02,824 Speaker 1: back of her saying that she had been treated badly 162 00:07:02,824 --> 00:07:05,104 Speaker 1: in the palace and staff. And so then it was 163 00:07:05,144 --> 00:07:07,664 Speaker 1: I guess quite convenient that these claims came up and 164 00:07:07,704 --> 00:07:09,624 Speaker 1: she actually wanted to say it was a calculated semir 165 00:07:09,704 --> 00:07:12,664 Speaker 1: campaign again because she spoke out against the royal family. 166 00:07:12,944 --> 00:07:15,824 Speaker 1: And also we never got the full results of that inquiry, 167 00:07:15,864 --> 00:07:18,264 Speaker 1: like they won't released to the public. But then they 168 00:07:18,304 --> 00:07:20,584 Speaker 1: talk to some more staff members in this article and 169 00:07:20,624 --> 00:07:23,344 Speaker 1: they go on to say she's absolutely redlentless. She marches 170 00:07:23,344 --> 00:07:26,464 Speaker 1: around like a dictator in high heels, fuming and barking orders. 171 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:28,664 Speaker 1: I've watched her reduce grown men to tears. 172 00:07:28,824 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 2: Oh my god, grown mentor teers. I mean, I'm sure 173 00:07:31,704 --> 00:07:34,024 Speaker 2: they're fine Damn, I would love that at my Instagram buyer. Yeah, 174 00:07:34,224 --> 00:07:37,104 Speaker 2: choose grown men to tears. All jokes aside. 175 00:07:37,224 --> 00:07:40,744 Speaker 1: I think it is quite interesting how this narrative that's 176 00:07:41,104 --> 00:07:43,184 Speaker 1: going through media that was very much based in the 177 00:07:43,264 --> 00:07:45,624 Speaker 1: UK for a long time that she's difficult, that she's awful, 178 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:49,744 Speaker 1: has now moved over to the American news system and 179 00:07:49,904 --> 00:07:52,104 Speaker 1: is kind of making the rounds there, And there's a 180 00:07:52,144 --> 00:07:54,864 Speaker 1: separate lot of complaints that have come out. And I 181 00:07:54,864 --> 00:07:56,824 Speaker 1: think it's kind of two things here. I think one 182 00:07:56,864 --> 00:07:59,664 Speaker 1: is that we just know that like stories around her 183 00:08:00,104 --> 00:08:03,104 Speaker 1: being like allegations of her being difficult or a diva 184 00:08:03,144 --> 00:08:05,104 Speaker 1: are always going to make headlines that are always gonna 185 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:06,904 Speaker 1: make people click, They're going to make people buy things. 186 00:08:07,224 --> 00:08:10,064 Speaker 1: So that's why these stories it feels like they're always 187 00:08:10,104 --> 00:08:12,864 Speaker 1: in the news cycle. That's because people click on them. 188 00:08:13,264 --> 00:08:14,944 Speaker 1: And I think the other thing is like no one 189 00:08:14,944 --> 00:08:16,704 Speaker 1: ever said she was like a saint, Like two things 190 00:08:16,744 --> 00:08:18,784 Speaker 1: can be true. We know that she was like quite 191 00:08:18,864 --> 00:08:21,264 Speaker 1: racially bullied by the press in particular in the UK, 192 00:08:21,784 --> 00:08:24,624 Speaker 1: and that she was treated quite badly, and she might 193 00:08:24,664 --> 00:08:26,544 Speaker 1: also be awful to work with. We just don't know, 194 00:08:26,584 --> 00:08:27,624 Speaker 1: but those two things can be true. 195 00:08:27,624 --> 00:08:29,624 Speaker 2: At the same time, I'm surprised how they got those 196 00:08:29,624 --> 00:08:31,904 Speaker 2: interviews because I would assume all of them would have 197 00:08:31,984 --> 00:08:35,144 Speaker 2: had to sign massive NDAs to not talk about this. 198 00:08:35,704 --> 00:08:38,584 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, I guess because they're speaking anonymously and 199 00:08:38,944 --> 00:08:41,064 Speaker 1: there's like some sort of protection there with like protecting 200 00:08:41,104 --> 00:08:44,104 Speaker 1: a source, with protecting someone who's agreed to keeping their 201 00:08:44,184 --> 00:08:46,344 Speaker 1: name out of the story. There could be something like that. 202 00:08:46,784 --> 00:08:48,344 Speaker 1: But yeah, it is kind of like a risky game 203 00:08:48,384 --> 00:08:48,904 Speaker 1: to play. 204 00:08:48,744 --> 00:08:52,704 Speaker 2: And there's no real like specific moments mentioned. There's actually 205 00:08:52,784 --> 00:08:54,624 Speaker 2: not that many of them. It's about like twenty of them. 206 00:08:54,664 --> 00:08:57,224 Speaker 2: It's not like hundreds of staff members. 207 00:08:57,704 --> 00:08:59,544 Speaker 1: Yet I know I go back and forth, that is 208 00:08:59,664 --> 00:09:01,624 Speaker 1: quite a few staff members to leave. But at the 209 00:09:01,624 --> 00:09:04,344 Speaker 1: same time, they didn't all leaven one go, Like there's 210 00:09:04,424 --> 00:09:07,504 Speaker 1: reports of people leaving over different months for different reasons. 211 00:09:07,544 --> 00:09:10,104 Speaker 1: So it's really hard to say. But I think like 212 00:09:10,184 --> 00:09:13,184 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is that this is just always going 213 00:09:13,264 --> 00:09:17,224 Speaker 1: to be a really clicky headline, and as different circumstances 214 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:19,944 Speaker 1: around them changing in terms of them, like the Spotify 215 00:09:20,024 --> 00:09:22,024 Speaker 1: deal coming to an end and some of their projects 216 00:09:22,024 --> 00:09:24,264 Speaker 1: a Netflix not moving forward, and that all. 217 00:09:24,104 --> 00:09:26,504 Speaker 2: Just builds a lot of step backs Yeah, what I 218 00:09:26,544 --> 00:09:29,544 Speaker 2: find really interesting is how like this is juxtaupposed with 219 00:09:29,584 --> 00:09:32,424 Speaker 2: what's happening with the Royal family right now. There was 220 00:09:32,464 --> 00:09:36,784 Speaker 2: a video that went viral on socials of the Black Ferns, 221 00:09:36,824 --> 00:09:39,984 Speaker 2: which is the New Zealand women's rugby team, visiting King 222 00:09:40,104 --> 00:09:42,704 Speaker 2: Charles and they asked him if they could give him 223 00:09:42,744 --> 00:09:44,824 Speaker 2: a hug, and he's like, why not, and he just 224 00:09:44,904 --> 00:09:47,384 Speaker 2: embraced all of them, which I know sounds so like 225 00:09:47,904 --> 00:09:50,704 Speaker 2: weird and sappy, and he's a monarch, but it was 226 00:09:50,904 --> 00:09:54,544 Speaker 2: such a weird, feel good moment, like he just looked 227 00:09:54,544 --> 00:09:56,624 Speaker 2: like a grandpa, you know what I mean. And like 228 00:09:56,664 --> 00:09:59,424 Speaker 2: that video just went viral and all the comments on 229 00:09:59,464 --> 00:10:02,544 Speaker 2: it all positive, saying when they wished Harry happy birthday 230 00:10:02,584 --> 00:10:04,824 Speaker 2: on the Instagram page, all the comments all positive. They're 231 00:10:04,864 --> 00:10:06,024 Speaker 2: having a winning streak. 232 00:10:05,824 --> 00:10:08,024 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. The Royal family are in a really positive 233 00:10:08,024 --> 00:10:10,304 Speaker 1: press cycle at the moment. And obviously people have always 234 00:10:10,504 --> 00:10:13,224 Speaker 1: really loved Princess Catherine and people are really happy that 235 00:10:13,264 --> 00:10:15,224 Speaker 1: she shared a video the other day talking about her 236 00:10:15,264 --> 00:10:18,184 Speaker 1: health being better, and so that's like very understandable. But 237 00:10:18,504 --> 00:10:20,824 Speaker 1: even weirder than that is that a photo went up 238 00:10:20,864 --> 00:10:23,904 Speaker 1: of Prince William with facial hair with a bit of 239 00:10:23,944 --> 00:10:27,784 Speaker 1: a beard happening, and people were lusting after him. They're like, 240 00:10:27,824 --> 00:10:29,664 Speaker 1: I'm weak in the knees. I can't look at this 241 00:10:30,144 --> 00:10:32,184 Speaker 1: prince too hot to look at all of these like 242 00:10:32,224 --> 00:10:33,784 Speaker 1: and some things I don't even want to say out loud, 243 00:10:34,104 --> 00:10:34,704 Speaker 1: And I. 244 00:10:34,584 --> 00:10:36,944 Speaker 2: Would make Harry like shave his beard. Like he was like, yeah, 245 00:10:37,184 --> 00:10:38,144 Speaker 2: that Harry had a beard. 246 00:10:38,784 --> 00:10:39,024 Speaker 4: Yeah. 247 00:10:39,184 --> 00:10:40,504 Speaker 1: So I guess it's just I don't know. There's a 248 00:10:40,544 --> 00:10:42,904 Speaker 1: lot of different factors happening here. But I just think, like, well, 249 00:10:42,904 --> 00:10:45,824 Speaker 1: it's very interesting to read something like the Hollywood Reporter article, 250 00:10:46,064 --> 00:10:47,824 Speaker 1: and I'm sure a lot of these people that have 251 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:49,664 Speaker 1: worked with Megan and some of them have had a 252 00:10:49,704 --> 00:10:51,344 Speaker 1: bad experience and they want to talk about it. But 253 00:10:51,344 --> 00:10:53,144 Speaker 1: I just think it's important to kind of look at 254 00:10:53,184 --> 00:10:55,344 Speaker 1: all the information on hand and be like, there's a 255 00:10:55,344 --> 00:10:57,984 Speaker 1: few different things at play here, and it's not as 256 00:10:58,024 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: simple as like this woman as a villain. 257 00:11:01,504 --> 00:11:05,024 Speaker 2: Okay, I have some breaking personal news, because I mean, 258 00:11:05,064 --> 00:11:06,944 Speaker 2: you know this, and everyone who listened to the top 259 00:11:06,944 --> 00:11:08,744 Speaker 2: of the episode will know this as well. I did 260 00:11:08,824 --> 00:11:13,104 Speaker 2: my first ever celebrity interview as a Dayless celebrity interview. 261 00:11:13,144 --> 00:11:16,344 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Lipita Niongo is one of my favorite 262 00:11:16,344 --> 00:11:19,944 Speaker 2: actors of all time. She was amazing in Twelve Years 263 00:11:19,984 --> 00:11:22,024 Speaker 2: of Sleigh, which is where she won the Academy Award 264 00:11:22,024 --> 00:11:23,744 Speaker 2: wor and she did that famous speech where she's like 265 00:11:23,744 --> 00:11:26,944 Speaker 2: to all the young girls watching your dreams are balad tears. 266 00:11:27,384 --> 00:11:29,744 Speaker 2: I remember like a Julia Jolly and Brad Pitt, which 267 00:11:29,784 --> 00:11:31,464 Speaker 2: is like so happy for her. They were like crying 268 00:11:31,464 --> 00:11:34,264 Speaker 2: in their seats as all of us. She also starred 269 00:11:34,304 --> 00:11:36,744 Speaker 2: in The Black Panther, one of my favorite movies, and 270 00:11:36,824 --> 00:11:39,864 Speaker 2: she has a new movie coming out called The Wild Robot. 271 00:11:39,984 --> 00:11:43,464 Speaker 2: It's an animation and she plays the main character, which 272 00:11:43,544 --> 00:11:46,384 Speaker 2: is the robot named Roz. It's an animation, so you 273 00:11:46,424 --> 00:11:49,664 Speaker 2: assume child's movie, but this is probably like one of 274 00:11:49,664 --> 00:11:51,984 Speaker 2: the first animations. I was like, no, this is definitely 275 00:11:52,024 --> 00:11:54,864 Speaker 2: a family movie because me and my sister watched it sobbing. 276 00:11:55,504 --> 00:11:56,104 Speaker 1: That's really lot. 277 00:11:56,184 --> 00:11:59,304 Speaker 2: It was such a beautiful movie. The graphics were a 278 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:03,024 Speaker 2: beautiful I immediately called my mom straight after. Straight after 279 00:12:03,024 --> 00:12:04,784 Speaker 2: you watched it, yeah, because it's like a lot it's 280 00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:07,464 Speaker 2: about motherhood. Yeah, And I called my mom straight after 281 00:12:07,504 --> 00:12:09,624 Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, Mom, how's it going just 282 00:12:09,704 --> 00:12:11,144 Speaker 2: like a casual chat. I couldn't be like, oh my god, 283 00:12:11,144 --> 00:12:13,024 Speaker 2: I love you so much, like what's going on, I'm 284 00:12:13,024 --> 00:12:15,144 Speaker 2: coming over right now. I told the Peter that because 285 00:12:15,144 --> 00:12:16,424 Speaker 2: I was like, I have to tell and she said 286 00:12:16,424 --> 00:12:18,624 Speaker 2: the same thing. Oh my god, that's amazing, my mom 287 00:12:18,664 --> 00:12:22,664 Speaker 2: after two. So yes, the interview was absolutely amazing. Here's 288 00:12:22,704 --> 00:12:26,984 Speaker 2: Lapeita and younger. Hi, Lupeter. I'm Emily from Mama May 289 00:12:26,984 --> 00:12:28,704 Speaker 2: and Australia. So lovely to meet you. 290 00:12:29,344 --> 00:12:30,584 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 291 00:12:31,104 --> 00:12:33,904 Speaker 2: I have to tell you that I was so taken 292 00:12:33,904 --> 00:12:37,304 Speaker 2: aback with the movie The Wild Robot, mainly because of 293 00:12:37,344 --> 00:12:40,744 Speaker 2: how humanizing the film was, even though there's no real 294 00:12:40,864 --> 00:12:44,424 Speaker 2: human characters. I was wondering, like, what made you want 295 00:12:44,464 --> 00:12:46,264 Speaker 2: to be part of this project and could you actually 296 00:12:46,344 --> 00:12:49,584 Speaker 2: visualize that end result before we saw it as an audience. 297 00:12:50,504 --> 00:12:53,144 Speaker 4: Nah, So what made me want to be a part 298 00:12:53,144 --> 00:12:55,464 Speaker 4: of this project is first of all, the source material, 299 00:12:55,544 --> 00:12:59,904 Speaker 4: Peter Brown's book The Wild Robot is really oh gorgeous read. 300 00:13:00,464 --> 00:13:02,304 Speaker 4: I don't like to read. I think I read that 301 00:13:02,344 --> 00:13:07,784 Speaker 4: book in like two days, and it is beautiful. It's classic, 302 00:13:07,864 --> 00:13:12,264 Speaker 4: it feels like it's always existed. It it's timeless, it's 303 00:13:12,384 --> 00:13:16,264 Speaker 4: universal the themes, so I knew the source material was great. 304 00:13:16,824 --> 00:13:20,784 Speaker 4: And then Chris Saunders is quite the prolific animation director. 305 00:13:21,464 --> 00:13:24,344 Speaker 4: I didn't sign on immediately. I have to admit I 306 00:13:24,424 --> 00:13:27,584 Speaker 4: was very cautious in signing on because I know how 307 00:13:27,664 --> 00:13:31,304 Speaker 4: long animation projects take, and I really wanted to make 308 00:13:31,344 --> 00:13:34,464 Speaker 4: sure that Chris and I were aligned in where it 309 00:13:34,504 --> 00:13:37,544 Speaker 4: could potentially go. Because I don't have the imagination that 310 00:13:37,664 --> 00:13:40,744 Speaker 4: Chris has. I couldn't see this story. He was telling 311 00:13:40,824 --> 00:13:43,144 Speaker 4: me about how they were developing this new technology and 312 00:13:43,144 --> 00:13:45,104 Speaker 4: I'm just like, no, I don't know what. 313 00:13:45,064 --> 00:13:45,704 Speaker 1: You're talking about. 314 00:13:46,184 --> 00:13:49,744 Speaker 4: So really it was I needed to trust him and 315 00:13:49,864 --> 00:13:53,824 Speaker 4: his vision and his intention behind making the film. 316 00:13:53,984 --> 00:13:57,344 Speaker 2: And I also know that actors have different processes when 317 00:13:57,384 --> 00:14:00,264 Speaker 2: it comes to voice acting, and I assume there's this 318 00:14:00,344 --> 00:14:04,224 Speaker 2: big challenge of conveying a full character three a voice alone, 319 00:14:04,504 --> 00:14:07,784 Speaker 2: plus you had the added challenge of keeping that robotic 320 00:14:07,824 --> 00:14:10,264 Speaker 2: element in your turn. Could you please talk to me 321 00:14:10,464 --> 00:14:12,304 Speaker 2: through that process, because it was incredible. 322 00:14:12,744 --> 00:14:18,304 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much, work very hard at it. 323 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:25,544 Speaker 4: Rosz had this promise right of being vocally very dynamic. Right, 324 00:14:25,784 --> 00:14:30,464 Speaker 4: she starts off being in her factory settings and in 325 00:14:30,504 --> 00:14:34,344 Speaker 4: a sense being I guess simple minded because she's new 326 00:14:34,504 --> 00:14:37,144 Speaker 4: to this environment and she's got a lot to learn 327 00:14:37,184 --> 00:14:40,624 Speaker 4: and her the story is really about her growing up 328 00:14:40,944 --> 00:14:44,704 Speaker 4: and growing into the mother that she can be. And 329 00:14:45,384 --> 00:14:47,824 Speaker 4: Chris had said that he really loved the warmth of 330 00:14:47,904 --> 00:14:51,824 Speaker 4: my voice and how nurturing my voice sounds. So we 331 00:14:52,104 --> 00:14:55,104 Speaker 4: knew when we would end up, and the question is 332 00:14:55,144 --> 00:14:56,504 Speaker 4: how we were gonna get there. 333 00:14:56,904 --> 00:14:57,544 Speaker 1: So for the. 334 00:14:57,544 --> 00:15:01,824 Speaker 4: Beginning, I was inspired by the automated sounds of Siri 335 00:15:02,144 --> 00:15:07,344 Speaker 4: and Alexa and those automated voices on TikTok and Instagram. 336 00:15:07,464 --> 00:15:10,744 Speaker 2: Then you do that so well, like it was amazing. 337 00:15:10,624 --> 00:15:15,224 Speaker 4: Thank you, so that there's that relentless positivity in their sound, 338 00:15:15,424 --> 00:15:19,704 Speaker 4: very bright, and so that's what inspired that. And then 339 00:15:19,824 --> 00:15:23,784 Speaker 4: as the script developed, right things were changing and we 340 00:15:23,784 --> 00:15:27,984 Speaker 4: were identifying the beats of the story, the events that 341 00:15:28,144 --> 00:15:32,344 Speaker 4: lead Ras to where she ends up, and so the 342 00:15:32,504 --> 00:15:34,224 Speaker 4: voice was changing as well. 343 00:15:34,704 --> 00:15:38,224 Speaker 2: You touched on Roz and motherhood, which was an element 344 00:15:38,264 --> 00:15:41,704 Speaker 2: that I was not expecting at all in this film. 345 00:15:41,824 --> 00:15:45,704 Speaker 2: I was kind of expecting like a very fast paced animation, 346 00:15:45,904 --> 00:15:48,664 Speaker 2: and in some points it is, but I was also 347 00:15:48,744 --> 00:15:52,344 Speaker 2: not expecting to be crying multiple times while watching it. 348 00:15:52,624 --> 00:15:55,104 Speaker 2: I immediately had to call my mom after and just 349 00:15:55,144 --> 00:15:59,224 Speaker 2: be like, hey, just checking in. It was done so well. 350 00:15:59,264 --> 00:16:01,744 Speaker 2: Were you expecting this much of a reaction, not just 351 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:05,624 Speaker 2: from a younger audience that animation is traditionally like geared towards, 352 00:16:05,664 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 2: but for like everyone. 353 00:16:07,704 --> 00:16:10,984 Speaker 4: Yes, I have to admit I was because I'd read 354 00:16:11,184 --> 00:16:14,424 Speaker 4: The Wild Robot and all that is in the book. 355 00:16:15,064 --> 00:16:18,664 Speaker 4: This is unconventional in the space of moving animation, right, 356 00:16:18,984 --> 00:16:22,704 Speaker 4: because usually the mother figure is missing. You think of Bambi, 357 00:16:23,264 --> 00:16:26,784 Speaker 4: you know in Lion King Mufasa die as the father figure. 358 00:16:26,904 --> 00:16:31,744 Speaker 4: Parents are often missing from the adventure, right, And in 359 00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:37,784 Speaker 4: this story, the parent is the adventure. And so it's 360 00:16:38,024 --> 00:16:43,104 Speaker 4: refreshing in that sense because we are watching her become 361 00:16:43,464 --> 00:16:47,704 Speaker 4: a mother, and it's moving because it really this story 362 00:16:47,864 --> 00:16:50,664 Speaker 4: it has a lot of dark humor. Characters get to 363 00:16:50,864 --> 00:16:53,584 Speaker 4: say all the things that parents are not allowed to say, right, 364 00:16:54,144 --> 00:16:55,184 Speaker 4: and that's so much fun. 365 00:16:55,464 --> 00:16:57,464 Speaker 1: It's so irreverent to hear those things. 366 00:16:57,544 --> 00:17:00,784 Speaker 4: And then we get to witness what it means to 367 00:17:01,624 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 4: when your job is to make sure that this being 368 00:17:06,744 --> 00:17:11,104 Speaker 4: can leave you. It's a heartbreaking thing. And it actually 369 00:17:11,144 --> 00:17:14,584 Speaker 4: made me call my mom and thank her for having 370 00:17:14,584 --> 00:17:17,024 Speaker 4: the courage to let me go. She let me go 371 00:17:17,104 --> 00:17:21,264 Speaker 4: at sixteen to Mexico. I was just like so floored 372 00:17:21,304 --> 00:17:24,584 Speaker 4: by her faith in her own parenting and in me 373 00:17:25,104 --> 00:17:26,984 Speaker 4: that I would be able to make it on my own. 374 00:17:27,104 --> 00:17:28,544 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think. 375 00:17:28,504 --> 00:17:30,144 Speaker 1: I was aware that it would be moving. 376 00:17:30,224 --> 00:17:33,224 Speaker 3: I don't think I was aware of how much it 377 00:17:33,224 --> 00:17:37,144 Speaker 3: would pull on my heartstrings having worked on it, but 378 00:17:37,224 --> 00:17:39,624 Speaker 3: I definitely felt like it was going to be special, 379 00:17:39,704 --> 00:17:42,384 Speaker 3: and it is even more special than I imagined. 380 00:17:42,944 --> 00:17:45,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just all of us calling our moms constantly 381 00:17:45,624 --> 00:17:46,304 Speaker 2: throughout the film. 382 00:17:46,504 --> 00:17:47,664 Speaker 1: It's aboute too. 383 00:17:47,784 --> 00:17:51,184 Speaker 2: It's about time, I agree, speaking of just like animation 384 00:17:51,504 --> 00:17:54,144 Speaker 2: in general, and you touched on like The Lion King, 385 00:17:54,304 --> 00:17:56,944 Speaker 2: Is there a specific movie because I feel like children 386 00:17:56,984 --> 00:17:58,904 Speaker 2: will go in to watch this movie and that could 387 00:17:58,984 --> 00:18:01,544 Speaker 2: be their favorite movie of all time that even as 388 00:18:01,544 --> 00:18:04,864 Speaker 2: an adult, they'll continually watch back on. Do you have 389 00:18:04,944 --> 00:18:07,424 Speaker 2: an animation that you watch as a child change your 390 00:18:07,424 --> 00:18:09,744 Speaker 2: life that you're constantly still watching now as an adult 391 00:18:10,504 --> 00:18:11,264 Speaker 2: The Lion King? 392 00:18:11,864 --> 00:18:15,024 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, The Lion King. And for me it was 393 00:18:15,104 --> 00:18:19,264 Speaker 4: many reasons. It was set in Africa that was new, 394 00:18:20,224 --> 00:18:25,304 Speaker 4: and it had Swahili in it that was amazing, and 395 00:18:25,384 --> 00:18:28,384 Speaker 4: everyone was saying Hakuna matata. I was like, oh my god, 396 00:18:28,944 --> 00:18:31,824 Speaker 4: that's us, that's us. I felt very seen by the 397 00:18:31,864 --> 00:18:35,344 Speaker 4: Lion King. So yeah, it was very special, And of 398 00:18:35,384 --> 00:18:38,264 Speaker 4: course I just loved the story of Simba. 399 00:18:37,904 --> 00:18:41,624 Speaker 2: And what kind of what character in the film besides 400 00:18:41,744 --> 00:18:44,664 Speaker 2: Raz A bit of a challenge. Do you feel most 401 00:18:45,024 --> 00:18:47,784 Speaker 2: like attached to or you feel like it's most like yourself? 402 00:18:50,104 --> 00:18:53,024 Speaker 3: Well, I kind of relate to the Beaver. 403 00:18:54,264 --> 00:18:58,064 Speaker 1: Sometimes he's like on his own project. Everybody's like, what 404 00:18:58,264 --> 00:18:58,824 Speaker 1: is wrong with you? 405 00:18:58,944 --> 00:19:03,344 Speaker 4: But he's carrying on and eventually it is useful what 406 00:19:03,504 --> 00:19:06,784 Speaker 4: he's doing. I definitely get into those modes sometimes when 407 00:19:06,824 --> 00:19:09,944 Speaker 4: I'm like fixated on something that makes no sense to 408 00:19:09,944 --> 00:19:13,424 Speaker 4: anybody else and I'm still hoping that it'll be fruitful. 409 00:19:14,504 --> 00:19:16,664 Speaker 2: It is such a good character, and I love how 410 00:19:16,704 --> 00:19:19,224 Speaker 2: he's just like also cares but doesn't show it. He's 411 00:19:19,264 --> 00:19:20,824 Speaker 2: just like, here's your leg take it. 412 00:19:20,944 --> 00:19:22,944 Speaker 3: Yeah whatever. 413 00:19:23,984 --> 00:19:26,904 Speaker 2: Oh Lo, Peter, this was so amazing to talk to you. 414 00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:29,784 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. I cannot wait 415 00:19:29,824 --> 00:19:31,744 Speaker 2: for all my friends to watch this film so we 416 00:19:31,784 --> 00:19:33,544 Speaker 2: can just talk about it and call our moms. 417 00:19:34,264 --> 00:19:38,424 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you well, thank you so much for 418 00:19:38,464 --> 00:19:40,464 Speaker 1: listening to the spill today And because you made it 419 00:19:40,504 --> 00:19:42,544 Speaker 1: this far through the episode, we have a little gift 420 00:19:42,584 --> 00:19:44,384 Speaker 1: for you, and that is to let you know what 421 00:19:44,584 --> 00:19:47,304 Speaker 1: is coming up on Friday show. We've been talking about 422 00:19:47,304 --> 00:19:50,024 Speaker 1: this for months, We've been dreaming about it for years 423 00:19:50,024 --> 00:19:52,544 Speaker 1: and weeks. And that is the fact that we are 424 00:19:52,584 --> 00:19:56,224 Speaker 1: releasing our brutally Honest review as season four of Emily 425 00:19:56,264 --> 00:19:58,544 Speaker 1: in Paris. And I know you're thinking, Laura, you love 426 00:19:58,584 --> 00:20:00,304 Speaker 1: that show. You're going to say nice things. No, guys, 427 00:20:00,344 --> 00:20:02,664 Speaker 1: I had some issues. I screamed at the TV, I 428 00:20:02,704 --> 00:20:04,984 Speaker 1: threw things around, my sister and I were crying. We're 429 00:20:04,984 --> 00:20:07,104 Speaker 1: going to talk all about it on Friday's episodes, so 430 00:20:07,104 --> 00:20:08,504 Speaker 1: make sure you're up to date, so you have. 431 00:20:08,424 --> 00:20:09,904 Speaker 2: To watch part one and part two. 432 00:20:10,064 --> 00:20:12,864 Speaker 1: Yes you, and that's a note to yourself saying that 433 00:20:12,944 --> 00:20:14,824 Speaker 1: to my ready for our Friday episode. 434 00:20:14,864 --> 00:20:17,264 Speaker 2: We will also put a link to last week's Brutally 435 00:20:17,304 --> 00:20:19,224 Speaker 2: on his review In case you missed it, we did 436 00:20:19,264 --> 00:20:21,624 Speaker 2: a review on The Perfect Couple starring Nicole Kidman. We 437 00:20:21,624 --> 00:20:23,304 Speaker 2: did not hold back in that one. It is such 438 00:20:23,304 --> 00:20:25,104 Speaker 2: a goodie. We will be back here in your podcast 439 00:20:25,184 --> 00:20:26,264 Speaker 2: be at three pm tomorrow. 440 00:20:26,344 --> 00:20:29,384 Speaker 1: Bye bye,