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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mother and mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Mom and Me are out Loud.

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Speaker 2: It's what women are talking about.

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Speaker 1: No, it's what women are actually and I want to

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Speaker 1: get that wrong.

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Speaker 2: On Friday, the thirtieth of January.

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Speaker 1: My name's Hollywayne right, my name is Am Vernham.

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Speaker 3: And I am Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 2: And here's what's made our agenda for today. So you

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Speaker 2: marry a man who likes rock climbing and.

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Speaker 3: The yeah to your first mistake.

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Speaker 1: I've dated a few that we'll get to that one day.

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Speaker 3: Wear shoes they do.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, We'll get to that too.

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Speaker 2: One day you watch the father of your two tiny

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Speaker 2: children dangling by his legs off one of the world's

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Speaker 2: tallest buildings. I'm mad on Live TV and the world,

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Speaker 2: of course has a lot of opinions about the irresponsibility

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Speaker 2: of picking a dared Devil's so we want to know

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Speaker 2: can you change the person you picked?

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Speaker 4: A Plus, I've been thinking about underwear a lot. I've

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Speaker 4: got two questions since last week's chat about after the.

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Speaker 3: Out Louders want to get into M's parents.

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Speaker 4: They have a lot of thought, have a lot of

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Speaker 4: answers for them.

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Speaker 3: And your new mantra when it comes to resolutions and

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Speaker 3: goal setting is vegans can eat bacon. And no, it's

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Speaker 3: not diet advice. It's a metaphor.

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Speaker 1: But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, apparently we should all be

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Speaker 3: burping our houses like the Germans.

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Speaker 1: Okay, first there was the French Sundays.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now the Germans with their burping. More detail, TikTok

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Speaker 3: has described the practice, which goes by the name of

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Speaker 3: luften in German, which translates to ventilate, as the ultimate

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Speaker 3: mum haack. Right, So listen closely, becau. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: tell you how to do it. And I know that

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Speaker 3: you guys are not, you know, so good with instructions.

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Speaker 3: All right, So if you're thinking my house absolutely needs

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Speaker 3: a good burp, what you do is, at the same

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Speaker 3: time each day you open the windows throughout your home, right,

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter. Oh there's a heat wave, doesn't matter. Oh

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Speaker 3: there's a polar is that what they call it, doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter what whatever's happening in the US the days and yeah,

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Speaker 3: every day. In Germany it's even mandatory on some leases

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Speaker 3: that you need to burn your home legally. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: idea is that it airs everything out, that it keeps

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Speaker 3: sickness away, it prevents mold build up. And Americans are

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Speaker 3: really leaning into this trend at the moment, and the

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Speaker 3: Germans are saying things like, oh wow, watch Americans discover

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Speaker 3: fresh air and try and pretend like they invented it.

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Speaker 3: Less apparently, I know exactly, let them have a glimmer.

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Speaker 3: Apparently it's best to do first thing in the after cooking,

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Speaker 3: after a shower, or after visitors.

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Speaker 1: But I have just.

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Speaker 2: Common sense, guys, like, don't we just open windows. We're

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Speaker 2: not open windows?

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Speaker 3: Holy Holy, I have a warning because for some people

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Speaker 3: this has gone very badly. All right, m I know

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Speaker 3: you're on the dating scene, and so I think you

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Speaker 3: should be across this. Apparently it can create a lot

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Speaker 3: of friction in your relationship.

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Speaker 1: So normal burping does that too.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right. When one wants to burn the house

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Speaker 3: but the other one is cold, then upset can occur.

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Speaker 3: And so there was a story in the Washington Post

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Speaker 3: where a woman her boyfriend kept insisting they had to

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Speaker 3: burp the house, and he would leave all the windows

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Speaker 3: She was cold one night three bats flew in and

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Speaker 1: Live, it's somewhere where you can feel safe to live.

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Speaker 1: The doors and the windows open all night, but bats

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Speaker 3: Through, rats might come in.

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Speaker 1: So they live in the woods.

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Speaker 3: They split up.

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Speaker 1: House burp and casualty and the house hasn't been burped.

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Speaker 3: No, there's also issues with energy efficiency. We know, like

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Speaker 3: a lot of Australians have been living through a heat wave.

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Speaker 3: You keep those doors open for twenty minutes, how long

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Speaker 3: So what do we think? Are we into house burping?

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Speaker 3: Do we light the idea of getting that stale air

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Speaker 1: What are we think?

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Speaker 4: I need to tell people, if you have the choice

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Speaker 1: Can you open a window in your flat?

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Speaker 4: Some of us don't have the I have to burn

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Speaker 1: I only have.

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Speaker 4: Two windows available to me. No balcony, no outdoor space,

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Speaker 4: no communal rooftop, just my two windows. Backs off onto

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Speaker 4: a highway. My clothes smell so musty. They don't drive properly.

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Speaker 4: It's just a bad bad time. I can't cook while

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Speaker 4: I wonder what species or bug I'll find today.

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Speaker 1: What are they called, the insect thing? Yeah, the fly screens.

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Speaker 1: Fly screens, I don't even know what they called. I

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Speaker 3: That is so true. The idea that you can just

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Speaker 1: I dream of the day to close my window.

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Speaker 3: Holly, you moved to the country to get that country air,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, are.

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Speaker 1: You getting it?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I'm allergic to closed doors. I'm a bit

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Speaker 2: funny about it. I like to have windows open and

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Speaker 2: That's what I hate about hotels. Like I love hotels,

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Speaker 1: Particularly fancy ones.

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Speaker 2: But you know how you can't open the windows in

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Speaker 1: Not being able to open the window.

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Speaker 2: It used to send me into a panic about, you know,

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Speaker 2: absolutely nuts. I mean, it depends obviously where you live

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Speaker 2: but surely this is common sense. Houses like natural air.

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Speaker 3: If you're in the bush, holly, well, I'm glad that

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Speaker 3: you have fly screens, But like if you're in the bush,

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Speaker 1: A kangaroo maybe, well, actually I say that right.

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Speaker 2: One time, when I lived in the city, we used

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Speaker 1: We did not have fly screens.

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Speaker 2: And one time I went out into the sunroom to

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Speaker 2: was very dramatic, and the house was not only burping.

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Speaker 2: It was screaming at that point. I was also that

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Speaker 2: was in the city. No, I've got fly screens now.

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Speaker 2: I do feel that is the peak of privilege, because

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Speaker 2: we didn't have them when we moved to where I lived,

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Speaker 2: and I like to leave the doors open.

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Speaker 1: But flies and all that.

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Speaker 2: But now we have them, and I feel very posh.

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Speaker 2: But my son, I was about to say, my brother,

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Speaker 2: because he's this would also be true of him, hates

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Speaker 2: having the doors open. He likes everything closed and dark,

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Speaker 2: and so it's just a constant battle.

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Speaker 3: I personally love like I'll walk around the block when

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Speaker 3: everyone's left their doors open and I get to have

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Speaker 3: a sticky bad Yeah, I can lock down the hallway.

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Speaker 3: You can tell everything about someone just looking down their hallway,

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Speaker 3: can't you.

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Speaker 1: Really, God knows what you'd be thinking about me.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I'm not sure if you've noticed. Neither of you

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Speaker 3: have commented yet, but I've got this ring for Christmas.

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Speaker 1: I have noticed.

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Speaker 2: I noticed last week for the first time how long

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Speaker 2: we've been wearing it.

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Speaker 3: I've only been wearing it for a week or two

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Speaker 3: because it took me a little bit just to set

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Speaker 4: So I thought of my pregnancy things or I didn't

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Speaker 4: want to comment on it because I didn't know if

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Speaker 4: I was offensive.

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Speaker 3: Like an early push presence. No, it's called ring con

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Speaker 3: or something. It's like an aura ring but maybe a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit so.

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Speaker 2: It's like a smart watch, but a ring correct. It

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Speaker 2: monitors all the things I've entered the future.

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Speaker 1: And just like a normal piece of jewelry, it does right.

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Speaker 3: And so it connects to my phone and it's got

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Speaker 3: heart rate, sleep exercise, like tells me absolutely everything. And

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Speaker 3: I'm really liking it broadly. But over the long weekend,

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Speaker 3: the amount of times I said out loud, my ring

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Speaker 3: keeps getting me in trouble, Yeah, was ridiculous because I

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Speaker 3: think that my ring is mean. It's being really mean

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Speaker 1: Okay, so have you thought about taking it off?

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Speaker 2: Like this is we're going to talk about this, but

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Speaker 2: we can fight back against the robots.

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Speaker 1: We can no, no, no, okay, now we can't. No.

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Speaker 3: It's just judgmental. It's a bit of a dick, and

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Speaker 3: it doesn't know me as well as it thinks it

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Speaker 3: knows me.

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Speaker 1: So is it like my watch? It's always going stand up.

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Speaker 3: It's like what I'm doing right now. You don't ever

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Speaker 3: stand up ever. So over the weekend, I was like,

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Speaker 3: my word of the year is grace, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I've got a rest. I'm going to rest, and.

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Speaker 1: You've got a lot going on, a lot going on

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Speaker 1: out louders.

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Speaker 2: If you listened to last week's Subscribe episode on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: you would have got a full rundown of what's going

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Speaker 2: on with Jesse and her twin pregnancy. And if you haven't,

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Speaker 2: go listen to it because that episode gave me anxiety.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot going on.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot, right, and I can't tell. My Ring

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Speaker 3: has not asked me if I'm pregnant, which annoys me

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Speaker 3: because I feel like that's tell it.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I tried to tell it, and it just doesn't have

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Speaker 3: a thing for it.

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Speaker 1: It seems like a male skewed floor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Silicon Valley, like catch up.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So I was having a bit of a rest and

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Speaker 3: my Ring was really pissed off about how much time

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Speaker 3: I was spending because vibrate, it vibrates. It sent me

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Speaker 3: in a lot. I got up and I was like,

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Speaker 3: it's like, yes, stand up. I got up and I

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Speaker 3: The robot who doesn't have taste fun, the robot who

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Speaker 2: Last week I put in the day's food and said,

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Speaker 2: What has become made of ninety percent cottage cheese. Yes,

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Speaker 3: But then perfectionism also means that you fail your pilate's goal,

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Speaker 2: That is vegan plus bacon, spicy mug. Spoiler, it has alcoholics.

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Speaker 2: you know, nutritionists and trainers don't love the fact that

443
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Speaker 2: everybody is now using the robots to help them monitor

444
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Speaker 2: everything they do is for the reason illustrated by the

445
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Speaker 2: fact that your ring you just can't seem to tell

446
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Speaker 2: your ring that you're pregnant, is that they're giving you

447
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Speaker 2: information based on a baseline that probably, to be honest

448
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Speaker 2: without being snarky about it, was based on a man.

449
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Speaker 2: But also they don't know even because you can very

450
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Speaker 2: easily input what you want to input to chatbot or

451
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Speaker 2: to your ring about how much your weigh, how tall

452
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Speaker 2: you are, your background, we were all skewed in our

453
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Speaker 2: thinking about who we are and what we're like and

454
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Speaker 2: what we need in our lives. So you're telling it

455
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Speaker 2: that it's scraping the common denominator. But we are all

456
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Speaker 2: very different, like you are pregnant with twins, with gestational

457
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Speaker 2: diabetes and a bad attitude ring.

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Speaker 3: This is all critical information from my ring doesn't seem to.

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Speaker 2: Be why and also to the point of us all

460
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Speaker 2: being different like some of us like you're saying, and

461
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Speaker 2: you realize when you start using the robots for that

462
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Speaker 2: that it's sending you in a slightly dangerous path.

463
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Speaker 1: Right.

464
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Speaker 2: You can become obsessed with it. It can become really

465
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Speaker 2: restrictive and punishing. I've become like a biohacking bro. It

466
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Speaker 2: wears my ice spark exactly, and it's like and to

467
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Speaker 2: your friend who only has a spicy mark, sometimes that

468
00:21:28,874 --> 00:21:30,394
Speaker 2: seems to work really well, but if she had a

469
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Speaker 2: serious problem with alcohol, that's probably not gonna work really well,

470
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Speaker 2: you know. So the problem with what the robots are

471
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Speaker 2: telling us is they're giving us a very like surface

472
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Speaker 2: one size fits or but we are all individual little snowflakes.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you which is why like the

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Speaker 3: passive aggressiveness of my chatbot, and I ask your questions

475
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Speaker 3: every day about what I can incarnate and it's very conservative.

476
00:21:50,074 --> 00:21:53,514
Speaker 3: It just says, look, may I suggest that you do

477
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Speaker 3: some chicken and lettuce? And I'm like, I have had

478
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Speaker 3: chicken lettuce one just one celery and I'm like, yeah, mate,

479
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Speaker 3: got it.

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Speaker 1: It says need a sugar hit, have a raspberry, just one,

481
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Speaker 1: though you can.

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Speaker 3: Have as much seal does you want. That's a rude

483
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Speaker 3: thing to say to someone. But then you go to

484
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Speaker 3: the dietitian, and the dietitian is a human being who says,

485
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Speaker 3: what foods don't you like? What foods do you like?

486
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Speaker 3: And like, we're gonna design something, and also.

487
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Speaker 2: Understand the nutritional needs of a woman growing twins. They

488
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Speaker 2: are not the same things as the nutritional needs of

489
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Speaker 2: somebody who's either trying to be in a calorie deficit

490
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Speaker 2: or as a certain age or that it's different.

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to start just going to dinner

492
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Speaker 3: and being like, guys, I need to vent about my

493
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Speaker 3: chatbot because the shed this week is out of control.

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Speaker 2: After the break, can you change someone as in he

495
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Speaker 2: likes climbing skyscrapers, you've got two small children, can you

496
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Speaker 2: tell him not to climb the skyscraper?

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Speaker 1: Don't worry?

498
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Speaker 2: It gets more relatable after the break.

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Speaker 5: Hey, out Louders, it's Mia here in case you missed it,

500
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Speaker 5: and how could you have I'm back in your ears

501
00:23:05,194 --> 00:23:07,034
Speaker 5: twice a week. Maybe you had better things to do,

502
00:23:07,434 --> 00:23:09,474
Speaker 5: then learn about that. I'm going to be on our

503
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Speaker 5: subscriber episodes. I've taken over the mic. On Tuesday, I

504
00:23:12,914 --> 00:23:16,434
Speaker 5: did a Royal rap that is a wrap up of news.

505
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Speaker 1: We spoke about.

506
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Speaker 5: Harry and Meghan, Holly, Jesse and I. There was a

507
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Speaker 5: lot to discuss. And then yesterday I grabbed a me

508
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Speaker 5: A lest and pulled her into my little out Loud

509
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Speaker 5: sub studio to talk about how women are suddenly so

510
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Speaker 5: thin and so different looking and what's going on? How

511
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Speaker 5: do we talk about that? If you're not already a subscriber,

512
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Speaker 5: follow the link in the show notes to get us

513
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Speaker 5: in your ears five days a week.

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Speaker 3: Out Louders, We've got a listener dilemma. We need your

515
00:23:45,874 --> 00:23:49,954
Speaker 3: collective wisdom to help us and our partners at YUI Solves.

516
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Speaker 3: Here is a problem from our listener. The question is

517
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Speaker 3: what do you do next. I'm thirty six and I've

518
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Speaker 3: been with my partner for fifteen years. We had only

519
00:23:59,274 --> 00:24:01,594
Speaker 3: been together a couple of months when I fell pregnant

520
00:24:01,594 --> 00:24:04,754
Speaker 3: with our first surprise child when I was twenty three.

521
00:24:05,194 --> 00:24:07,074
Speaker 3: We then quickly had three more children. We've got a

522
00:24:07,234 --> 00:24:09,954
Speaker 3: great sex life, we parent really well together and love

523
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Speaker 3: spending time together as a family. But as we get

524
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Speaker 3: older and our kids are getting more independent, I'm realizing

525
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Speaker 3: we don't have anything in common. We don't like the

526
00:24:19,874 --> 00:24:22,994
Speaker 3: same TV or movies or hobbies. He likes sport, I

527
00:24:23,114 --> 00:24:26,234
Speaker 3: like art. We're very different people. We've been so busy

528
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Speaker 3: raising kids that this hasn't been an issue, but eventually

529
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Speaker 3: the kids will be grown and gone, and I'm not

530
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Speaker 3: sure where that leads us. I've never believed that a

531
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Speaker 3: partner should fulfill all your needs. We both have full

532
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Speaker 3: lives with lots of friends, but I'm nervous at this

533
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Speaker 3: lack of common ground will lead to separate lives as

534
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Speaker 3: we age. Is our relationship doomed? Do we need to

535
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Speaker 3: find common interests? What do you do next?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My god? What do we think? I don't think

537
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Speaker 1: you do need to find common interests.

538
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Speaker 2: I think it's nice if you've got one like I

539
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Speaker 2: think that one thing that I have learned from being

540
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Speaker 2: in a relationship for twenty years, but also observing lots

541
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Speaker 2: and lots of couples, is that something that bonds you

542
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Speaker 2: together is really useful, even if it's just one thing

543
00:25:07,434 --> 00:25:09,914
Speaker 2: like doing, whether that's you know, going.

544
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Speaker 1: For walk or you're trivia Brent my trivia nights watching,

545
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Speaker 1: which is a sports Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: He likes lots of things that I don't like. I

547
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Speaker 2: like lots of things that he doesn't like. But we

548
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Speaker 2: do have a couple of common grounds, which I think

549
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Speaker 2: is useful. However, her relationship in general sounds great. You know,

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Speaker 2: they've got through the child rearing years, which is enormously challenging.

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Speaker 1: They have good.

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Speaker 2: Sex, they like being around each other, they live together well.

553
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Speaker 2: Like I watched how much common ground do we need?

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Speaker 3: People, I reckon they'll find it again. Remember we talked

555
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Speaker 3: years ago about how every relationship needs a third leg,

556
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Speaker 3: So you need this third thing that has you come together.

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Speaker 3: And for a lot of people for a lot of years,

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Speaker 3: it's kids and that's fine. But I think sometimes if

559
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Speaker 3: you like dabble in each other's hobbies like gif it Go,

560
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Speaker 3: you might be surprised that this is actually kind of interesting.

561
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Speaker 3: Or it could be that it's a show on television

562
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Speaker 3: and I know they say that they don't have like

563
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Speaker 3: the same interest there necessarily, but you'll find something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, might not be golf though, No, don't try that.

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Speaker 1: Don't try that.

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Speaker 3: That's not necessary.

567
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Speaker 2: Out louders, tell us what you think, what would you

568
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Speaker 2: do next? Share your thoughts in the mama Mia outloud

569
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Speaker 2: Facebook group, and also if you have a dilemma, send

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Speaker 2: it to us at out loud at mamamea dot com

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Speaker 2: dot a you.

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Speaker 1: We would love to help you. Did either of.

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Speaker 2: You two watch the climber Alex Honold scale that skyscraper

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Speaker 2: in Taipei on the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I have a life, so.

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Speaker 3: No, I hate it. I hate it, hate it, I

577
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Speaker 3: hate it. No, no, no, I'm territory out of heights.

578
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Speaker 3: I did not watch. Was it live?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 3: It was, so it was being streamed live where Netflix.

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Speaker 3: It was just being streamed live on Netflix. So what

582
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Speaker 3: was the plan if the man felt.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously they had a plan.

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Speaker 2: So a bit of background, right, I did watch it.

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Speaker 2: We watched it because he's in our family, that guy.

586
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Speaker 2: Because we all watched that documentary that won on Oscar

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Speaker 2: called Free Solo.

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Speaker 3: One of the best stock I've ever met, Right, So.

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Speaker 2: We all watched that and that's about him, and it's

590
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Speaker 2: great and the kids loved it and we all loved it.

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Speaker 1: So he's like a character in our world.

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Speaker 2: So I watched this even though the ethical questions are huge,

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Speaker 2: So basically, if you did miss it.

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Speaker 1: He is a really good climber and his thing is

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Speaker 1: he climbs without ropes. Not all the time.

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Speaker 2: He's climbed this building twice with ropes, but then for

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Speaker 2: the event, he's like climbing without ropes. It is an

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Speaker 2: incredibly tall building. If he'd have fallen off after climbing

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Speaker 2: for thirty seconds or so, it would have been fatal,

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Speaker 2: like you know, and it took him an hour and

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Speaker 2: a half.

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Speaker 1: So that's what he does. He's that guy. He's a

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Speaker 1: very specific kind of gets joy out of that.

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Speaker 2: He loves him, right, But this is the first time

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Speaker 2: they've done an event like that on Netflix. It was live,

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Speaker 2: it had commentary, it was imperfect broadcast. It was very real,

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Speaker 2: and of course they would have had a plan what

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Speaker 2: to do.

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Speaker 3: Like a slight delay so that we didn't watch in

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Speaker 3: real time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I reckon.

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Speaker 2: Obviously footage would have existed and there would have been

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Speaker 2: no quoe, so they would definitely have had a plan.

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Speaker 2: But what a lot of the conversation has been about,

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Speaker 2: apart from, you know, the climbing community a bit mad

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Speaker 2: because they're like, wow, you're selling out climbing skyscrapers for

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Speaker 2: money is bullshit. Then there's a certain amount of like, ethically,

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Speaker 2: should we be watching somebody do something so dangerous, because,

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Speaker 2: as you say, Jesse, it could be incredibly traumatic if

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Speaker 2: something happens. And then the third conversation is one I

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Speaker 2: want to get to because I think it's actually quite

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Speaker 2: relatable in people's lives, which is there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff about, well, how can his wife let him do that?

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Speaker 2: So Alex is married to this woman called Sanny mccandal's.

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Speaker 2: She is also a climber. She was in free solo

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Speaker 2: quite a lot. They weren't married then they were dating,

627
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Speaker 2: but there was quite a lot in that documentary about

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Speaker 2: their relationship about him being a very sort of literally

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Speaker 2: solo person and pursuing his goals and whether or not

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Speaker 2: she was going to be able to live with that.

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Speaker 2: She clearly decided she could because now they're married and

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Speaker 2: they've got two little kids and they live in the

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Speaker 2: suburbs of Las Vegas. They've got two little girls who

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Speaker 2: are two and four, and a lot of people were saying, ay,

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Speaker 2: very selfish of this guy to be doing such dangerous

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Speaker 2: things with such high risk when he's got two little girls,

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Speaker 2: And a lot of people were also saying, how is

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Speaker 2: she married to him? And her argument has always been,

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Speaker 2: this is who he is, this is what he loves.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have married him if I wanted to stop

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Speaker 2: him from doing it. There was a piece in the

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Speaker 2: cut about this called imagine being Alex Hanold's wife, and

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to read you a little sample of

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Speaker 2: the comments section.

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Speaker 1: To give you a vibe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a terrible person and a terrible father.

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Speaker 2: Not that I have sympathy for the wife. She knew

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Speaker 2: what she was getting into, and it sounds like she's

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Speaker 2: still not discussing it like a grown up, is one

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Speaker 2: of the comments. Another one is imagine knowing all this

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Speaker 2: before you married the guy and you still had children

652
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Speaker 2: with him. Then other people are saying, expecting someone to

653
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Speaker 2: change just because they have kids seems like magical thinking.

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Speaker 2: And then someone made the point people marry police officers,

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Speaker 2: they marry firefighters, they marry soldiers, they marry rufers and

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Speaker 2: loggers and construction workers. There are lots of professions where

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Speaker 2: people regularly die on the job. Are we suggesting that

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Speaker 2: none of them should get married or have children, or

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Speaker 2: that their spouses shouldn't worry about them?

660
00:30:13,154 --> 00:30:13,354
Speaker 1: Now?

661
00:30:13,474 --> 00:30:16,034
Speaker 2: I find this really interesting because I reckon it's even

662
00:30:16,114 --> 00:30:20,154
Speaker 2: broader than dangerous things. I think it goes to say,

663
00:30:20,194 --> 00:30:23,034
Speaker 2: your partner's passion requires them to travel all the time,

664
00:30:23,234 --> 00:30:25,874
Speaker 2: takes them away from you, puts them into a really

665
00:30:25,914 --> 00:30:27,954
Speaker 2: solo place where they're not going to be much use

666
00:30:28,034 --> 00:30:30,514
Speaker 2: to you in your family, like in terms of parenting

667
00:30:30,554 --> 00:30:34,354
Speaker 2: that happens all the time. Do we expect people to

668
00:30:34,474 --> 00:30:38,834
Speaker 2: change because they now have responsibilities? Jesse Stevens, We expect

669
00:30:38,874 --> 00:30:40,674
Speaker 2: women to change and those first.

670
00:30:40,714 --> 00:30:45,234
Speaker 1: But women just change. No, women have to make themselves

671
00:30:45,354 --> 00:30:45,994
Speaker 1: change often.

672
00:30:46,274 --> 00:30:48,474
Speaker 4: But it's like they just do it, you know, like

673
00:30:48,514 --> 00:30:49,714
Speaker 4: it's never a conversation.

674
00:30:49,914 --> 00:30:51,594
Speaker 1: Oh you mean, they just have.

675
00:30:51,674 --> 00:30:54,714
Speaker 3: To, like they just have someone. So it's like the

676
00:30:54,754 --> 00:30:59,394
Speaker 3: first two comments were so revealing there because they actually

677
00:30:59,514 --> 00:31:02,514
Speaker 3: had no issue with him during the climbing. Really, their

678
00:31:02,554 --> 00:31:06,394
Speaker 3: blame was put directly on the wife, being like, how

679
00:31:06,474 --> 00:31:09,994
Speaker 3: dare you the father of your children do that? It's like,

680
00:31:11,034 --> 00:31:16,994
Speaker 3: that's not on her. And I see so many women

681
00:31:17,074 --> 00:31:21,034
Speaker 3: I know change in a heartbeat, whether it's pregnancy, birth, whatever,

682
00:31:21,074 --> 00:31:23,954
Speaker 3: when they have kids, even maybe considering kids, whether that

683
00:31:24,154 --> 00:31:27,674
Speaker 3: is social or what like, I don't know, but the

684
00:31:27,794 --> 00:31:32,074
Speaker 3: idea that even with the response, I remember watching free

685
00:31:32,074 --> 00:31:35,314
Speaker 3: solo and thinking, I didn't think he had a responsibility

686
00:31:35,314 --> 00:31:37,714
Speaker 3: to her. She loved him, she was going to let

687
00:31:37,794 --> 00:31:41,474
Speaker 3: him do what he wanted. That was fine when you

688
00:31:41,554 --> 00:31:46,794
Speaker 3: have two little kids. The idea of him falling to

689
00:31:46,994 --> 00:31:50,874
Speaker 3: his death and that footage being forever available to his

690
00:31:51,034 --> 00:31:55,554
Speaker 3: offspring somewhere on the internet. I think it's just so

691
00:31:55,714 --> 00:31:59,034
Speaker 3: horrific because they didn't get to say they didn't get

692
00:31:59,074 --> 00:32:02,034
Speaker 3: to say, yeah, dad, go and do it. In fact,

693
00:32:02,714 --> 00:32:05,754
Speaker 3: they would probably be horrified by that. What do you

694
00:32:05,874 --> 00:32:06,274
Speaker 3: think him?

695
00:32:06,474 --> 00:32:09,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate these kind of things, even like Red

696
00:32:09,354 --> 00:32:11,914
Speaker 4: Bull does a lot of these events where they like

697
00:32:11,994 --> 00:32:15,114
Speaker 4: do these massive, dangerous spectator sports and it always just

698
00:32:15,634 --> 00:32:19,074
Speaker 4: freaks me out so much. But I think him doing

699
00:32:19,114 --> 00:32:21,794
Speaker 4: that building climb and then even the footage, like I

700
00:32:21,794 --> 00:32:23,794
Speaker 4: couldn't avoid it, like it was all over my social feeds.

701
00:32:23,794 --> 00:32:25,794
Speaker 4: So even if you hate that stuff, you would have

702
00:32:25,834 --> 00:32:29,114
Speaker 4: seen it, like dangling with his legs and like showing off.

703
00:32:29,154 --> 00:32:32,314
Speaker 1: I just think it was very selfish of him to do.

704
00:32:32,994 --> 00:32:35,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it also kind of made me spiral a

705
00:32:35,794 --> 00:32:39,714
Speaker 4: bit about relationships in general, especially after reading that piece whole,

706
00:32:39,834 --> 00:32:43,514
Speaker 4: because I always assumed that if you were to get

707
00:32:43,554 --> 00:32:45,794
Speaker 4: into a relationship with someone and you were to have kids,

708
00:32:46,194 --> 00:32:48,634
Speaker 4: like it would just be a given that, like all

709
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:52,194
Speaker 4: the dangerous stuff that you did for your own selfish needs,

710
00:32:52,594 --> 00:32:53,714
Speaker 4: you just wouldn't do anymore.

711
00:32:53,834 --> 00:32:56,514
Speaker 3: So do you think it's more selfish for him to

712
00:32:56,554 --> 00:32:58,834
Speaker 3: do that being the father of two than if.

713
00:32:58,674 --> 00:33:01,354
Speaker 1: He had no kids at all? Yeah? I do, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah.

714
00:33:01,354 --> 00:33:03,594
Speaker 3: What do you think, Hollie, I don't think I agree.

715
00:33:03,714 --> 00:33:06,274
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I take that point on, but I

716
00:33:06,314 --> 00:33:10,794
Speaker 2: don't think you have to change your entire personality because

717
00:33:10,794 --> 00:33:12,794
Speaker 2: you become a parent. And I think that for people

718
00:33:12,794 --> 00:33:16,114
Speaker 2: who are so extreme, like clearly, this is a massive

719
00:33:16,154 --> 00:33:18,674
Speaker 2: part of who he is, you know, Like, this isn't

720
00:33:18,714 --> 00:33:20,874
Speaker 2: just a hobby like he likes to go and play

721
00:33:20,874 --> 00:33:22,034
Speaker 2: football on a Saturday morning.

722
00:33:22,074 --> 00:33:23,794
Speaker 1: This is a huge part of who he is.

723
00:33:23,834 --> 00:33:26,874
Speaker 2: And there are we all kinds of psychological reasons for that, right, And.

724
00:33:27,034 --> 00:33:28,914
Speaker 3: Apparently got a brain scan they tried to work out

725
00:33:28,954 --> 00:33:30,874
Speaker 3: if he was like missing a frontal lobe that I

726
00:33:30,954 --> 00:33:34,634
Speaker 3: sessed risk and apparently it's just exposure, exposure, exposure, and

727
00:33:34,674 --> 00:33:37,194
Speaker 3: he just doesn't seem to get and he.

728
00:33:37,154 --> 00:33:38,914
Speaker 2: Also, I mean, he's probably got some kind of thing

729
00:33:38,994 --> 00:33:41,314
Speaker 2: or a divergence. He's you know, he's a different kind

730
00:33:41,314 --> 00:33:43,274
Speaker 2: of dude, and you know, most people don't want to

731
00:33:43,314 --> 00:33:44,714
Speaker 2: do that kind of thing and they couldn't think of

732
00:33:44,714 --> 00:33:47,834
Speaker 2: anything worse. But for whatever reason, that's his thing. My

733
00:33:48,074 --> 00:33:50,074
Speaker 2: thing is when people tell you who they are, you

734
00:33:50,074 --> 00:33:53,194
Speaker 2: should believe them. So I do think that if you're

735
00:33:53,194 --> 00:33:55,954
Speaker 2: with somebody like that, or somebody for whom they have

736
00:33:56,074 --> 00:33:58,794
Speaker 2: something in their life that is always actually going to

737
00:33:58,834 --> 00:34:03,034
Speaker 2: take priority over you and whatever your situation is, you

738
00:34:03,034 --> 00:34:05,114
Speaker 2: should believe them when they tell you that. Because this

739
00:34:05,154 --> 00:34:07,594
Speaker 2: is why I think this is broader than say danger things.

740
00:34:07,674 --> 00:34:10,314
Speaker 2: I think it made me think a bit of Jesse

741
00:34:10,354 --> 00:34:12,354
Speaker 2: and I have just spoke to seen Hamner. I recommended

742
00:34:12,393 --> 00:34:14,513
Speaker 2: it on the show the other week last week, and

743
00:34:14,514 --> 00:34:17,754
Speaker 2: there's a really interesting scene in that. So Shakespeare obviously

744
00:34:17,834 --> 00:34:21,474
Speaker 2: isn't quite isn't Shakespeare yet. He's an aspiring playwright, but

745
00:34:21,754 --> 00:34:24,634
Speaker 2: writing lights him up, whereas his life at home in

746
00:34:24,674 --> 00:34:27,513
Speaker 2: Stratford with his parents who are a bit overbearing, want

747
00:34:27,594 --> 00:34:29,993
Speaker 2: him to follow him into the glove trade. Whatever does

748
00:34:30,034 --> 00:34:32,394
Speaker 2: not light him up. And he's got three little kids,

749
00:34:32,554 --> 00:34:35,474
Speaker 2: and his wife Agnes is like, he's got to go

750
00:34:35,514 --> 00:34:36,994
Speaker 2: to London, like he's got.

751
00:34:36,794 --> 00:34:38,234
Speaker 1: To go to pursue his dream.

752
00:34:38,274 --> 00:34:41,513
Speaker 2: To pursue his dream is such now language. But what

753
00:34:41,594 --> 00:34:44,634
Speaker 2: they mean is for him to live fully, for him

754
00:34:44,634 --> 00:34:47,194
Speaker 2: to be who he is, for him to be happy, he.

755
00:34:47,274 --> 00:34:48,834
Speaker 1: Has to leave us behind.

756
00:34:49,234 --> 00:34:50,954
Speaker 2: And the idea is that they're going to come and

757
00:34:50,954 --> 00:34:53,754
Speaker 2: follow Hi, which they never do. But what's an interesting

758
00:34:53,794 --> 00:34:56,674
Speaker 2: point to that is that halfway through this process he

759
00:34:56,714 --> 00:34:58,834
Speaker 2: realizes she's never going to come and follow him to

760
00:34:58,874 --> 00:35:01,794
Speaker 2: London because that is not her dream. She loves where

761
00:35:01,834 --> 00:35:04,634
Speaker 2: she lives. She's incredibly passionate about the landscape, the nature

762
00:35:04,634 --> 00:35:09,194
Speaker 2: of so that's her dream, right, Saying that everybody has

763
00:35:09,234 --> 00:35:12,154
Speaker 2: to sacrifice all the bits of who they are just

764
00:35:12,194 --> 00:35:15,114
Speaker 2: to make and nobody has to have this very stable,

765
00:35:16,154 --> 00:35:20,754
Speaker 2: very domestic unit, and nobody can put their dreams above

766
00:35:20,834 --> 00:35:21,994
Speaker 2: that in any context.

767
00:35:22,554 --> 00:35:29,074
Speaker 3: No, but that assumes that both parties are equal and

768
00:35:29,114 --> 00:35:32,433
Speaker 3: that they both are in a position to advocate for

769
00:35:32,514 --> 00:35:35,554
Speaker 3: what they want and need, and I think that historically

770
00:35:35,754 --> 00:35:38,034
Speaker 3: that obviously has not been the case. You've had men

771
00:35:38,074 --> 00:35:43,994
Speaker 3: in the position to say, hey, I am gonna travel

772
00:35:44,034 --> 00:35:45,994
Speaker 3: for six months of the year, and you know, there

773
00:35:45,994 --> 00:35:47,913
Speaker 3: are lots of different reasons why this is the case.

774
00:35:47,994 --> 00:35:50,754
Speaker 3: But I'm not a family man. I'm not like just

775
00:35:51,434 --> 00:35:53,634
Speaker 3: I'm not going to sacrifice anything when it comes to

776
00:35:53,674 --> 00:35:58,034
Speaker 3: my career. And women have not always been in if

777
00:35:58,074 --> 00:36:01,474
Speaker 3: you're completely equal, okay, but women have not been in

778
00:36:01,474 --> 00:36:05,674
Speaker 3: the position to advocate back. So the thing that lights

779
00:36:06,234 --> 00:36:11,474
Speaker 3: her up or would make her feel most alive isn't

780
00:36:11,474 --> 00:36:15,274
Speaker 3: even on the table. And so I think, then what happens,

781
00:36:15,394 --> 00:36:16,674
Speaker 3: And this is something I've talked to a lot of

782
00:36:16,714 --> 00:36:19,274
Speaker 3: friends about is can you say yes to something and

783
00:36:19,314 --> 00:36:22,794
Speaker 3: then resent them for it? And that's what is sort

784
00:36:22,834 --> 00:36:26,234
Speaker 3: of about, is like she says go, and he goes

785
00:36:26,274 --> 00:36:27,914
Speaker 3: and pursues the dream, but she's pissed.

786
00:36:27,954 --> 00:36:30,674
Speaker 1: She's sitting there like, actually, she's not pissed.

787
00:36:30,434 --> 00:36:32,554
Speaker 3: Until something goes until something goes.

788
00:36:32,314 --> 00:36:35,154
Speaker 2: Wrong, Like she's actually not pissed. It works for them

789
00:36:35,274 --> 00:36:38,554
Speaker 2: until it doesn't, until an enormous loss shakes them, and

790
00:36:38,594 --> 00:36:42,034
Speaker 2: then she's like, you weren't here, And then the glory

791
00:36:42,114 --> 00:36:46,154
Speaker 2: of him not being there overtakes everything, right, but she's

792
00:36:46,194 --> 00:36:49,554
Speaker 2: actually not pissed at first. I entirely get your point,

793
00:36:49,674 --> 00:36:51,954
Speaker 2: but I think that as women have more power and

794
00:36:52,034 --> 00:36:55,754
Speaker 2: more choice now when that guy is going, well, look,

795
00:36:55,994 --> 00:36:58,594
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind settling down and having kids, but I

796
00:36:58,674 --> 00:37:00,393
Speaker 2: need to go skiing at least once a year for

797
00:37:00,474 --> 00:37:02,394
Speaker 2: three months, or I do need to spend every Saturday

798
00:37:02,394 --> 00:37:04,794
Speaker 2: playing golf, or I need to go once a month.

799
00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:06,754
Speaker 2: I need to go to on a long, pissed up

800
00:37:06,754 --> 00:37:09,953
Speaker 2: weekend with my mates and get absolutely wasted. If they

801
00:37:09,994 --> 00:37:13,154
Speaker 2: say that shit to you, believe them and be either

802
00:37:13,234 --> 00:37:15,034
Speaker 2: like I am not going to do that. There is

803
00:37:15,074 --> 00:37:16,674
Speaker 2: no way I'm going to be with someone who's going

804
00:37:16,754 --> 00:37:19,314
Speaker 2: to be like that, and then that's your conversation. But

805
00:37:19,434 --> 00:37:23,433
Speaker 2: if you say to Alex Donald or William Shakespeare like

806
00:37:24,154 --> 00:37:27,314
Speaker 2: sure you can still climb high things, but then you're like,

807
00:37:28,114 --> 00:37:30,474
Speaker 2: this has ruined everything. I mean, I'm not suggesting, of

808
00:37:30,554 --> 00:37:33,154
Speaker 2: course that suck it up, like, I don't mean that

809
00:37:33,234 --> 00:37:36,434
Speaker 2: at all. I think that every relationship is a constant

810
00:37:36,674 --> 00:37:39,033
Speaker 2: negotiation and renegotiation in lots of ways.

811
00:37:39,074 --> 00:37:42,554
Speaker 4: I think it's the renegotiation because I think we're dating,

812
00:37:42,634 --> 00:37:45,514
Speaker 4: especially like I could be dating someone who goes golfing

813
00:37:45,594 --> 00:37:48,194
Speaker 4: every Saturday right now, not an issue for me.

814
00:37:48,434 --> 00:37:48,954
Speaker 3: It's fine.

815
00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:51,754
Speaker 4: I'm doing stuff on Saturdays anyway. But then when would

816
00:37:51,754 --> 00:37:53,953
Speaker 4: I bring up to them? But okay, but then if

817
00:37:53,954 --> 00:37:56,514
Speaker 4: this becomes a relationship and if we get married in

818
00:37:56,554 --> 00:37:58,434
Speaker 4: two years, you can't be doing that anymore.

819
00:37:58,594 --> 00:38:00,274
Speaker 1: Or if we have kids after that, you can't be

820
00:38:00,314 --> 00:38:00,914
Speaker 1: doing that anymore.

821
00:38:00,954 --> 00:38:03,473
Speaker 4: Like when do I have that conversation and with this

822
00:38:03,554 --> 00:38:06,634
Speaker 4: guy who climbed this building, the comment about comparing it

823
00:38:07,194 --> 00:38:12,514
Speaker 4: to policemen and firefighters, I don't think that's right, because

824
00:38:12,594 --> 00:38:14,993
Speaker 4: like they're dying for like the greater good, and they

825
00:38:15,034 --> 00:38:17,354
Speaker 4: die as a hero. Whereas if this guy passed away

826
00:38:17,354 --> 00:38:19,754
Speaker 4: on that building, he did it because he wanted to.

827
00:38:19,954 --> 00:38:23,474
Speaker 2: It's an imperfect comparison, no question. And I mean, he

828
00:38:23,554 --> 00:38:25,674
Speaker 2: was getting paid, so you know he was doing it

829
00:38:25,714 --> 00:38:27,473
Speaker 2: for money, but that's not why he did it.

830
00:38:27,554 --> 00:38:29,274
Speaker 1: So no, your comparison is correct.

831
00:38:29,914 --> 00:38:32,834
Speaker 2: Interestingly, though, when women do because I agree with you

832
00:38:32,914 --> 00:38:35,034
Speaker 2: Jesse that often it's women who sacrifice things.

833
00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:37,114
Speaker 1: But not always like you knows.

834
00:38:37,514 --> 00:38:40,993
Speaker 2: Often as women and increasingly as women are earning more

835
00:38:41,034 --> 00:38:42,954
Speaker 2: and having bigger careers. It will be them who go,

836
00:38:43,034 --> 00:38:44,794
Speaker 2: I'm going to go and live in this city, I'm

837
00:38:44,794 --> 00:38:47,994
Speaker 2: going to go and do this and that. But very famously,

838
00:38:48,034 --> 00:38:51,314
Speaker 2: there was a British mountaineer who died climbing K two

839
00:38:51,314 --> 00:38:53,234
Speaker 2: a long time ago in the nineties, and she had

840
00:38:53,274 --> 00:38:58,834
Speaker 2: two little kids and the vitriol about that decision, and

841
00:38:58,874 --> 00:39:01,034
Speaker 2: she'd been a climber and an adventurer since she was

842
00:39:01,074 --> 00:39:03,794
Speaker 2: a tiny kid, right it was her whole life. And

843
00:39:03,834 --> 00:39:06,474
Speaker 2: she wrote a lot about the competing pool of being

844
00:39:06,554 --> 00:39:09,874
Speaker 2: like training to do this amazing thing but also wanting

845
00:39:09,914 --> 00:39:13,874
Speaker 2: to be with her children, and the worst possible thing happened.

846
00:39:14,914 --> 00:39:16,194
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

847
00:39:16,314 --> 00:39:18,554
Speaker 2: I just I think that, and I know these are

848
00:39:18,594 --> 00:39:21,634
Speaker 2: really extreme stories, but I think that there's a nugget

849
00:39:21,634 --> 00:39:25,154
Speaker 2: in there sometimes of this idea that women in particular

850
00:39:25,794 --> 00:39:29,913
Speaker 2: have to sacrifice everything about themselves for their kids. I

851
00:39:29,994 --> 00:39:32,354
Speaker 2: just don't know if it's realistic for everybody.

852
00:39:32,514 --> 00:39:34,994
Speaker 3: No, I agree, And it made me think of Romayne

853
00:39:35,114 --> 00:39:39,034
Speaker 3: Grojon who in twenty twenty years it was the Bahrain.

854
00:39:39,314 --> 00:39:42,154
Speaker 3: He's an F one driver and he was driving and

855
00:39:42,154 --> 00:39:44,114
Speaker 3: he had this horrific accident and they all know that

856
00:39:44,154 --> 00:39:46,834
Speaker 3: there's enormous danger involved, but he had this horrific accident.

857
00:39:46,914 --> 00:39:49,354
Speaker 3: His car went up in flames. It looked like not

858
00:39:49,394 --> 00:39:51,594
Speaker 3: only did it look like he was probably going to die,

859
00:39:51,674 --> 00:39:53,594
Speaker 3: but it was being broadcast live to the world, so

860
00:39:53,634 --> 00:39:55,234
Speaker 3: his family were seeing it.

861
00:39:55,594 --> 00:39:57,634
Speaker 1: And that fire was on for a long time.

862
00:39:57,754 --> 00:40:01,754
Speaker 3: It was on for a long time, and he miraculously survived.

863
00:40:01,794 --> 00:40:05,234
Speaker 3: And his quotes in the aftermath of that were really

864
00:40:05,234 --> 00:40:08,754
Speaker 3: interesting because he had a complete career pivot. He still raced,

865
00:40:08,754 --> 00:40:10,634
Speaker 3: but he raced very differently, and he said, if I

866
00:40:10,674 --> 00:40:12,913
Speaker 3: was twenty five and single, I would go and do

867
00:40:13,034 --> 00:40:15,594
Speaker 3: the ovals like I would do those same laps. That

868
00:40:15,674 --> 00:40:18,154
Speaker 3: wouldn't be a problem. But what I cannot accept right

869
00:40:18,194 --> 00:40:19,834
Speaker 3: now is putting my wife and my kids in the

870
00:40:19,874 --> 00:40:23,194
Speaker 3: same situation as they were in by rain. And I thought, like,

871
00:40:23,234 --> 00:40:27,154
Speaker 3: maybe it takes that happening, Maybe it takes seeing it

872
00:40:27,194 --> 00:40:31,194
Speaker 3: happen to someone. But I found that to be a

873
00:40:31,314 --> 00:40:35,154
Speaker 3: very like evolved. I really admired his approach to that

874
00:40:35,154 --> 00:40:38,754
Speaker 3: that that accident became not about him but about the

875
00:40:38,794 --> 00:40:41,354
Speaker 3: people who had to watch it. And I think the

876
00:40:41,394 --> 00:40:44,074
Speaker 3: same even with you know, our free solo friend, is

877
00:40:44,114 --> 00:40:47,034
Speaker 3: that it's not just about his family, it's about the

878
00:40:47,074 --> 00:40:50,194
Speaker 3: first responders, it's about the paramedics, it's about like everyone

879
00:40:50,194 --> 00:40:53,394
Speaker 3: who would be confronted with that. And then I also

880
00:40:53,474 --> 00:40:57,434
Speaker 3: think I know so many parents who would do anything

881
00:40:57,594 --> 00:41:00,834
Speaker 3: to spend five more minutes with their kids, and because

882
00:41:00,834 --> 00:41:03,594
Speaker 3: of terminal illness, because of a freak accident, because of

883
00:41:03,594 --> 00:41:06,513
Speaker 3: something that was no risk that they chose to take,

884
00:41:06,554 --> 00:41:09,074
Speaker 3: they didn't get too And I was like, I wonder

885
00:41:09,114 --> 00:41:10,873
Speaker 3: how that would feel to watch a guy be like,

886
00:41:10,914 --> 00:41:13,473
Speaker 3: I'm going to play with my own mortality today. Like

887
00:41:14,194 --> 00:41:16,834
Speaker 3: maybe it's that that just annoys me.

888
00:41:17,194 --> 00:41:17,754
Speaker 1: I get it.

889
00:41:18,114 --> 00:41:19,913
Speaker 2: I just don't think you can live your life like that,

890
00:41:19,994 --> 00:41:21,754
Speaker 2: though I know, I mean it's as I say, this

891
00:41:21,834 --> 00:41:25,114
Speaker 2: is an extreme example, but it's like saying, you know,

892
00:41:25,154 --> 00:41:27,714
Speaker 2: we were talking about that what people wish from their deathbeds,

893
00:41:27,714 --> 00:41:29,074
Speaker 2: and they often say, I wish I spend more time

894
00:41:29,114 --> 00:41:30,834
Speaker 2: with my children is one of the most common things.

895
00:41:31,034 --> 00:41:32,714
Speaker 2: But does that mean we should all quit our jobs?

896
00:41:32,754 --> 00:41:35,554
Speaker 2: Does that mean that we should all just be constantly

897
00:41:35,594 --> 00:41:37,554
Speaker 2: following our children around, going you need me?

898
00:41:37,554 --> 00:41:38,913
Speaker 1: Now? What about now? Do you need me now?

899
00:41:40,954 --> 00:41:43,874
Speaker 4: Only one parent can do it, like she couldn't also

900
00:41:43,914 --> 00:41:45,354
Speaker 4: climb with him on that skyscrape.

901
00:41:45,354 --> 00:41:46,394
Speaker 1: They could take turns.

902
00:41:48,954 --> 00:41:52,194
Speaker 2: She's not that crazy, though she doesn't climb into that roam.

903
00:41:52,834 --> 00:41:54,393
Speaker 1: It's I think it's fascinating.

904
00:41:55,434 --> 00:41:58,434
Speaker 4: I have a question for the group. You're going away

905
00:41:58,514 --> 00:42:02,154
Speaker 4: for a weekend, two nights, three days. How many pairs

906
00:42:02,154 --> 00:42:03,234
Speaker 4: of underwear.

907
00:42:02,994 --> 00:42:06,194
Speaker 1: Do you pack for two nights three days? So I'm

908
00:42:06,234 --> 00:42:08,834
Speaker 1: waking up there twice? Yep? Two?

909
00:42:09,674 --> 00:42:13,434
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, hollywhen right? Okay, everyone knows that the

910
00:42:13,514 --> 00:42:14,794
Speaker 3: underpants you're wearing don't count.

911
00:42:14,914 --> 00:42:16,953
Speaker 2: No, no, the underput no no, sorry, So the ones

912
00:42:16,954 --> 00:42:20,234
Speaker 2: I'm wearing plus two? Im so I most nights of

913
00:42:20,274 --> 00:42:23,314
Speaker 2: the week, I spend two nights in Sydney, so that's

914
00:42:23,354 --> 00:42:25,354
Speaker 2: two mornings. So I've got to have two pezzan pats.

915
00:42:25,674 --> 00:42:27,954
Speaker 1: Okay, no, okay, no, no, no, no. I did a

916
00:42:27,954 --> 00:42:29,314
Speaker 1: poll on my Instagram.

917
00:42:29,594 --> 00:42:33,554
Speaker 4: On my Instagram stories, fifty four percent of people said

918
00:42:33,674 --> 00:42:37,474
Speaker 4: six six. Twenty one percent said three.

919
00:42:37,834 --> 00:42:39,594
Speaker 1: Do people change their nickas through the day?

920
00:42:39,594 --> 00:42:41,714
Speaker 2: And I just don't know this, I think twenty five

921
00:42:41,754 --> 00:42:44,834
Speaker 2: percent said eight. Like, if you're bleeding, different, right, different?

922
00:42:44,834 --> 00:42:45,154
Speaker 1: Different.

923
00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:47,114
Speaker 2: If I was bleeding, I'd be like, oh no, I

924
00:42:47,154 --> 00:42:49,034
Speaker 2: got to have a spare pair. But like, let's assume

925
00:42:49,074 --> 00:42:51,314
Speaker 2: that we're not. Let's assume this is just a normal

926
00:42:51,314 --> 00:42:51,834
Speaker 2: time in the mine.

927
00:42:51,834 --> 00:42:54,433
Speaker 3: Okay, you know what six. I think this relates to

928
00:42:54,434 --> 00:42:56,714
Speaker 3: the previous segment, which is about women in risk assessments.

929
00:42:57,314 --> 00:43:01,953
Speaker 3: Women's frontal lobes are going. I don't know what that

930
00:43:02,114 --> 00:43:03,674
Speaker 3: weekend will bring.

931
00:43:03,794 --> 00:43:05,834
Speaker 1: This is why, this is why I'm not that bothered

932
00:43:05,834 --> 00:43:06,993
Speaker 1: about the skyscraper guy.

933
00:43:07,154 --> 00:43:08,993
Speaker 3: Comes exactly right.

934
00:43:09,114 --> 00:43:10,514
Speaker 1: Oh, you need to picture this. Okay.

935
00:43:10,714 --> 00:43:13,314
Speaker 4: You do a lot of book stuff where you're like

936
00:43:13,354 --> 00:43:16,234
Speaker 4: on stage talking about books. You're on stage and talking

937
00:43:16,274 --> 00:43:19,474
Speaker 4: about books, you're interviewing Sally Hapworth. Suddenly something makes this

938
00:43:19,554 --> 00:43:20,593
Speaker 4: a bit of a gurgling noise.

939
00:43:20,754 --> 00:43:22,994
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't know, you don't know.

940
00:43:23,114 --> 00:43:23,873
Speaker 3: Things could go right.

941
00:43:23,914 --> 00:43:26,754
Speaker 4: I had really bad fish earlier that day, and now

942
00:43:26,794 --> 00:43:29,074
Speaker 4: you have food poisoning and it's attacking you on stage.

943
00:43:30,794 --> 00:43:31,074
Speaker 5: You have.

944
00:43:33,754 --> 00:43:36,594
Speaker 1: I see, I'm not prepared enough for all eventually.

945
00:43:36,634 --> 00:43:39,433
Speaker 3: And I think that in terms of like working out

946
00:43:40,074 --> 00:43:44,393
Speaker 3: how much like cost versus reward, right, undies don't take

947
00:43:44,434 --> 00:43:47,274
Speaker 3: up much space. Chuck in extra pair. We've never regretted.

948
00:43:47,314 --> 00:43:50,074
Speaker 3: The aim for every trip is to come back with

949
00:43:50,154 --> 00:43:52,794
Speaker 3: a few clean pairs of underpants, I think, And do

950
00:43:52,874 --> 00:43:53,674
Speaker 3: you ever.

951
00:43:54,194 --> 00:43:57,274
Speaker 2: So holy just realizing that I'm because literally, you know how,

952
00:43:57,314 --> 00:43:59,194
Speaker 2: I'm teaching my children how to live in the world.

953
00:43:59,514 --> 00:44:00,354
Speaker 1: If we go away.

954
00:44:00,634 --> 00:44:03,034
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go away for five nights, I say, when

955
00:44:03,074 --> 00:44:05,674
Speaker 2: you're packing, because they've packed their own clothes. Now, I'm like,

956
00:44:06,194 --> 00:44:08,114
Speaker 2: you just count how many and that's how many pairs

957
00:44:08,114 --> 00:44:10,354
Speaker 2: of pants. So I'm passing on this terrible advice.

958
00:44:10,434 --> 00:44:13,913
Speaker 3: Hallyween Wright. Have you ever like been away? You go

959
00:44:13,954 --> 00:44:16,474
Speaker 3: and have a shower before your dinner that you're going to.

960
00:44:16,594 --> 00:44:17,993
Speaker 1: You don't want to put you and you don't want

961
00:44:17,994 --> 00:44:18,674
Speaker 1: to put.

962
00:44:18,514 --> 00:44:21,473
Speaker 3: Your old underpants on, But then if you put your

963
00:44:21,514 --> 00:44:23,354
Speaker 3: new ones on, you're gonna wake up in a worn

964
00:44:23,394 --> 00:44:24,234
Speaker 3: pair of underpants.

965
00:44:24,274 --> 00:44:27,393
Speaker 1: It's a day ruin us scarcity mindset. I'm just like,

966
00:44:27,474 --> 00:44:30,754
Speaker 1: but those are today's pants. I have to work today's pants.

967
00:44:30,874 --> 00:44:35,433
Speaker 2: I can't work tomorrow's pants tonight or yesterday's You're right,

968
00:44:35,474 --> 00:44:36,234
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the words.

969
00:44:36,274 --> 00:44:37,554
Speaker 4: Then you're going to go for your next family trip

970
00:44:37,594 --> 00:44:39,314
Speaker 4: and you're going to be sharing the same underwear. So

971
00:44:39,354 --> 00:44:42,674
Speaker 4: I'm definitely packing six pairs of underwear everywhere I go

972
00:44:42,874 --> 00:44:45,114
Speaker 4: for my weekend away. But also after the break, I

973
00:44:45,154 --> 00:44:47,514
Speaker 4: want to give you, guys, my actual recommendations of what

974
00:44:47,674 --> 00:44:48,954
Speaker 4: brands I'm wearing.

975
00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:51,874
Speaker 1: We get to see em Sunday.

976
00:44:52,034 --> 00:45:01,913
Speaker 4: Who I'm stripping, vibes, ideas, stopping casual, stopping fun.

977
00:45:02,514 --> 00:45:07,794
Speaker 1: This is my best recommendation recommendations the way again. Yes,

978
00:45:07,994 --> 00:45:09,074
Speaker 1: last week Jesse.

979
00:45:09,194 --> 00:45:14,034
Speaker 2: Recommended new underwear. I want some fancy undies.

980
00:45:14,234 --> 00:45:18,154
Speaker 4: Okay, they knew you'd have pretty I have some good recommendation.

981
00:45:18,354 --> 00:45:22,913
Speaker 4: So my brief for my underwear is that it has

982
00:45:22,954 --> 00:45:26,794
Speaker 4: to be high waisted, and I'm not super into g strings.

983
00:45:26,794 --> 00:45:29,074
Speaker 4: Sometimes they have fun. If you're a bit gassy and

984
00:45:29,074 --> 00:45:29,553
Speaker 4: you don't want.

985
00:45:29,474 --> 00:45:33,794
Speaker 2: It to be audible, do you think that this sounds smothered,

986
00:45:34,594 --> 00:45:36,114
Speaker 2: stop it because I spread your cheeks.

987
00:45:40,394 --> 00:45:45,074
Speaker 1: This is a good hack. Your risk assessment is great, fantastic.

988
00:45:45,274 --> 00:45:48,393
Speaker 4: So for my basic and comfy, it's always bonds, Like

989
00:45:48,434 --> 00:45:50,994
Speaker 4: if you want to buy a pack, Bonds comfy.

990
00:45:50,994 --> 00:45:52,874
Speaker 1: They're not going to let you down. And what cut.

991
00:45:53,354 --> 00:45:56,553
Speaker 1: It's like the high waisted brief cut like a full

992
00:45:56,594 --> 00:46:01,114
Speaker 1: pound down to the knees. When I see on that

993
00:46:01,314 --> 00:46:05,234
Speaker 1: little sticker, it says cheeky cut. Okay, okay, okay.

994
00:46:05,954 --> 00:46:09,314
Speaker 4: I also have like fun and comfy, so like still

995
00:46:09,474 --> 00:46:11,953
Speaker 4: really comfy, but they're like maybe bring you some joy

996
00:46:11,994 --> 00:46:14,394
Speaker 4: when you open up your underwear jaw Theanala.

997
00:46:14,594 --> 00:46:17,834
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got a bright red pair of balash yes,

998
00:46:17,994 --> 00:46:21,074
Speaker 3: yes so, and it makes me feel special.

999
00:46:21,154 --> 00:46:23,354
Speaker 1: I love me hot.

1000
00:46:23,434 --> 00:46:26,194
Speaker 4: Also Bras and things, if you want to go in store,

1001
00:46:26,354 --> 00:46:30,034
Speaker 4: they do really nice high waisted like pale blue, pink breefs,

1002
00:46:30,194 --> 00:46:32,234
Speaker 4: very fun colors if you want to be a bit

1003
00:46:32,434 --> 00:46:36,473
Speaker 4: sexy but still comfy. Cat the Label and Blue Bella

1004
00:46:36,554 --> 00:46:39,554
Speaker 4: are my favorite launder rays and they also do like

1005
00:46:39,674 --> 00:46:42,794
Speaker 4: high waisted full briefs as well, and they're like sexy.

1006
00:46:42,554 --> 00:46:43,554
Speaker 1: The Comfort Label.

1007
00:46:43,914 --> 00:46:46,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I like that.

1008
00:46:46,354 --> 00:46:48,314
Speaker 4: So that's my underwear edit for all of you.

1009
00:46:48,474 --> 00:46:49,354
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.

1010
00:46:50,034 --> 00:46:55,513
Speaker 3: My recommendation is basic, bitch predictable. Everyone will know I'm

1011
00:46:55,514 --> 00:47:00,194
Speaker 3: watching this. I am watching The Pit, which is HBO Max.

1012
00:47:00,434 --> 00:47:03,754
Speaker 3: I think we're watching on Amazon Prime Video. If you're

1013
00:47:03,794 --> 00:47:08,274
Speaker 3: subscribed then you Yeah, it's very confusing, but whatever I

1014
00:47:08,434 --> 00:47:11,393
Speaker 3: signed up to to watch The Pit. Also, let me

1015
00:47:11,474 --> 00:47:14,874
Speaker 3: watch one battle after another. Oh, don't bother.

1016
00:47:15,114 --> 00:47:17,073
Speaker 1: Oh really, I've got to watch.

1017
00:47:18,434 --> 00:47:23,873
Speaker 3: I love Leonardo DiCaprio. I appreciate it's very artsy, but just.

1018
00:47:24,074 --> 00:47:26,674
Speaker 2: Do you think we were talking about this the other week?

1019
00:47:26,954 --> 00:47:28,194
Speaker 2: Do you think you would have liked it better than

1020
00:47:28,194 --> 00:47:31,794
Speaker 2: the movies. No, it's too long, because I think anyway

1021
00:47:31,834 --> 00:47:32,354
Speaker 2: I will get.

1022
00:47:32,194 --> 00:47:33,954
Speaker 3: To yeah, yeah, yeah, nah, not a big fan. That

1023
00:47:33,994 --> 00:47:35,194
Speaker 3: was the one I looked at and I kind of

1024
00:47:35,194 --> 00:47:37,954
Speaker 3: went yeah. And everyone I've spoken to has been like,

1025
00:47:38,034 --> 00:47:40,994
Speaker 3: not worth it anyway. That's my anti recommendation. My recommendation

1026
00:47:41,234 --> 00:47:45,234
Speaker 3: is the Pit Noah Wiley. It's three EEPs into season two.

1027
00:47:45,554 --> 00:47:47,393
Speaker 3: If you haven't watched I know a lot of people

1028
00:47:47,394 --> 00:47:48,714
Speaker 3: who are like, oh, I haven't watched them. Not really

1029
00:47:48,714 --> 00:47:49,953
Speaker 3: into like medical dramas or whatever.

1030
00:47:50,154 --> 00:47:51,954
Speaker 4: I want to watch it now because he won the

1031
00:47:51,954 --> 00:47:52,554
Speaker 4: Golden Globe.

1032
00:47:52,674 --> 00:47:57,274
Speaker 3: Yes, so well deserved. Season one is across a day.

1033
00:47:57,434 --> 00:47:59,873
Speaker 3: It's like follows an hour, and I think that they

1034
00:47:59,914 --> 00:48:02,754
Speaker 3: could be like twelve episodes, and it's just every episode

1035
00:48:02,794 --> 00:48:04,913
Speaker 3: is one hour, and season two is the same. So

1036
00:48:04,954 --> 00:48:07,393
Speaker 3: it's all across the course of just one day.

1037
00:48:07,514 --> 00:48:08,274
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know that.

1038
00:48:08,354 --> 00:48:13,594
Speaker 3: And the amount of like different patients you have coming in,

1039
00:48:14,154 --> 00:48:17,993
Speaker 3: like broken bones, potassium is really important. Apparently you don't

1040
00:48:17,994 --> 00:48:21,274
Speaker 3: want that to go down. One guy had too many viagra.

1041
00:48:21,794 --> 00:48:23,554
Speaker 3: What do you do when you've had it?

1042
00:48:23,634 --> 00:48:24,473
Speaker 1: Do you see the pen?

1043
00:48:24,794 --> 00:48:27,434
Speaker 3: You see the pen? And they have to like inject

1044
00:48:27,474 --> 00:48:30,594
Speaker 3: things to make it not so erect, and then you

1045
00:48:30,634 --> 00:48:32,354
Speaker 3: have to massage the things in it to make it

1046
00:48:32,514 --> 00:48:36,873
Speaker 3: go down. So he got no, we don't. That's definitely

1047
00:48:37,434 --> 00:48:41,314
Speaker 3: the takeaway. But it's so good the pit HBO Max.

1048
00:48:40,994 --> 00:48:43,194
Speaker 1: All right, I should start. Everyone says it. I haven't

1049
00:48:43,194 --> 00:48:44,394
Speaker 1: got to it. It's gone.

1050
00:48:44,994 --> 00:48:48,994
Speaker 2: Mine is also basic because Oscar season, we're seeing the movies.

1051
00:48:49,074 --> 00:48:51,674
Speaker 2: Last week, I watched Hamnet. This week, I took the

1052
00:48:51,674 --> 00:48:53,274
Speaker 2: whole family to see Marty Supreme.

1053
00:48:54,074 --> 00:48:56,234
Speaker 1: I loved it. You too have seen it? Did you

1054
00:48:56,274 --> 00:48:56,674
Speaker 1: love it?

1055
00:48:56,874 --> 00:48:59,514
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it, But I just said to you, it's weird.

1056
00:48:59,794 --> 00:49:04,034
Speaker 3: Oh it's so weird. What did you think I liked it?

1057
00:49:04,234 --> 00:49:07,634
Speaker 4: I just which I think is why he's that we

1058
00:49:07,714 --> 00:49:10,354
Speaker 4: have to do because he's so unlikable.

1059
00:49:10,554 --> 00:49:14,274
Speaker 1: The character case is awful. All the women in his life.

1060
00:49:14,274 --> 00:49:16,754
Speaker 1: I'm like, just move on.

1061
00:49:17,314 --> 00:49:19,034
Speaker 2: But this is what we talked about last week with

1062
00:49:19,074 --> 00:49:21,433
Speaker 2: the heated rabbit thing. You don't have to relate to

1063
00:49:21,474 --> 00:49:24,154
Speaker 2: all the things. But it's just a story. It's just

1064
00:49:24,194 --> 00:49:26,834
Speaker 2: a story about a dude. He's not a nice dude,

1065
00:49:26,994 --> 00:49:27,953
Speaker 2: like the Bob Dylan one.

1066
00:49:28,074 --> 00:49:28,994
Speaker 1: Not a nice dude.

1067
00:49:29,114 --> 00:49:33,033
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he plays such annoying still interesting. Anyway, I

1068
00:49:33,074 --> 00:49:35,794
Speaker 2: loved it, and I'm recommending it because I'm also just

1069
00:49:35,874 --> 00:49:39,114
Speaker 2: basically recommending go to the movies because I think I

1070
00:49:39,154 --> 00:49:41,434
Speaker 2: saw Hamlet at the movies. I saw this at the movies,

1071
00:49:41,474 --> 00:49:44,274
Speaker 2: and this is long, and I am I rolling about length.

1072
00:49:44,274 --> 00:49:46,594
Speaker 2: We talked about this last week, I think, or recently

1073
00:49:46,594 --> 00:49:49,714
Speaker 2: about how long all the movies are. And also we're

1074
00:49:49,714 --> 00:49:52,994
Speaker 2: talking about second screening, right. I think if I had

1075
00:49:53,034 --> 00:49:55,834
Speaker 2: watched Marty Supreme at home in bits, which is what

1076
00:49:55,874 --> 00:49:57,314
Speaker 2: I if I watch a long movie at home, I

1077
00:49:57,314 --> 00:49:58,913
Speaker 2: watch it in bits. I'm not sitting there for two

1078
00:49:58,954 --> 00:50:01,034
Speaker 2: and a half hours. I'm like, maybe I watched one

1079
00:50:01,034 --> 00:50:03,913
Speaker 2: half on Friday and one half on SATURDAYE. Well, I've

1080
00:50:03,914 --> 00:50:05,674
Speaker 2: got kids to put to bed, and I'm doing this

1081
00:50:05,714 --> 00:50:06,394
Speaker 2: and that and I'm.

1082
00:50:06,234 --> 00:50:09,274
Speaker 3: Tidy after another is like a it would have taken

1083
00:50:09,354 --> 00:50:11,634
Speaker 3: heart mini series like it's so.

1084
00:50:11,474 --> 00:50:13,594
Speaker 2: Long, or I might have been second screening in bits

1085
00:50:13,634 --> 00:50:16,714
Speaker 2: that were so far. Yeah, there's no way I would

1086
00:50:16,714 --> 00:50:17,154
Speaker 2: have loved.

1087
00:50:17,034 --> 00:50:17,513
Speaker 1: It as much.

1088
00:50:17,874 --> 00:50:21,553
Speaker 2: Because the thing that's really great about Marty Supreme, I thought,

1089
00:50:21,754 --> 00:50:25,674
Speaker 2: is the visceral experience. It is chaotic, so much happens

1090
00:50:25,834 --> 00:50:27,474
Speaker 2: me and my friend who are sitting next which I

1091
00:50:27,514 --> 00:50:30,354
Speaker 2: were like, I'm exhausted, Like it's the energy of it.

1092
00:50:30,354 --> 00:50:32,674
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. I love the way it was made. It

1093
00:50:32,714 --> 00:50:34,873
Speaker 2: was so surprising. Every two minutes. She's just like, what now,

1094
00:50:35,074 --> 00:50:37,513
Speaker 2: Like I loved it, but I don't think I would

1095
00:50:37,514 --> 00:50:39,834
Speaker 2: have loved it in a different setting. So some movies

1096
00:50:39,874 --> 00:50:43,474
Speaker 2: are really movie movies. And I didn't resent a minute

1097
00:50:43,554 --> 00:50:45,754
Speaker 2: of that long movie where and sometimes you sit in

1098
00:50:45,794 --> 00:50:47,954
Speaker 2: a long movie and you're like, why are we on?

1099
00:50:48,074 --> 00:50:48,834
Speaker 1: Ending number three?

1100
00:50:49,274 --> 00:50:52,553
Speaker 3: Any final comments to be made about Timothy Shallamade's bottom.

1101
00:50:52,354 --> 00:50:56,194
Speaker 2: Well, which we find the bottom? I know that there's

1102
00:50:56,234 --> 00:50:59,874
Speaker 2: some specific little bottom I need to mention. My friend Gwyneth,

1103
00:51:00,474 --> 00:51:02,433
Speaker 2: isn't she She is brilliant in this.

1104
00:51:03,114 --> 00:51:07,433
Speaker 3: No notes, Holly, She's such as you do something about the.

1105
00:51:07,474 --> 00:51:09,234
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to talk to her. I'm going to

1106
00:51:09,314 --> 00:51:11,034
Speaker 2: get on. I'm going to say we need more.

1107
00:51:11,034 --> 00:51:12,954
Speaker 1: Gwinnis. She is so brilliant in this.

1108
00:51:13,634 --> 00:51:16,634
Speaker 2: What was interesting is we all went right and Billy

1109
00:51:16,794 --> 00:51:20,034
Speaker 2: loved it. Matilda like, um could not see past the

1110
00:51:20,554 --> 00:51:21,554
Speaker 2: bad pologics of this.

1111
00:51:21,634 --> 00:51:23,873
Speaker 1: Really, she was just like, he's a terrible person. He

1112
00:51:23,914 --> 00:51:26,074
Speaker 1: treated that girl so badly. Because we're girls. Girls.

1113
00:51:28,314 --> 00:51:30,674
Speaker 2: Anyway, I loved it, loved it.

1114
00:51:31,114 --> 00:51:33,794
Speaker 1: The bottom I don't. I mean, I love Charlamaie as

1115
00:51:33,834 --> 00:51:35,754
Speaker 1: we know, but he's not like Hosh.

1116
00:51:35,794 --> 00:51:37,393
Speaker 3: It's just such a small bottom and it's such a

1117
00:51:37,394 --> 00:51:40,314
Speaker 3: low buck crack and it's like compared to Kylie. I

1118
00:51:40,434 --> 00:51:44,274
Speaker 3: just this picturing about the.

1119
00:51:44,234 --> 00:51:47,234
Speaker 2: Two of them together is a very weird scenario. They're

1120
00:51:47,394 --> 00:51:50,594
Speaker 2: very different. But like anyway, I loved it. I love

1121
00:51:50,594 --> 00:51:52,074
Speaker 2: the way it was filmed. It was also up close

1122
00:51:52,114 --> 00:51:53,754
Speaker 2: and you could see Machilda's like you think he got

1123
00:51:53,794 --> 00:51:57,834
Speaker 2: acme for the part of hours, like makeup and also

1124
00:51:57,914 --> 00:51:58,994
Speaker 2: the cameras being that close.

1125
00:51:59,114 --> 00:52:00,034
Speaker 1: Like, I loved it.

1126
00:52:00,074 --> 00:52:04,913
Speaker 2: I've seen some out louders say Nat, but I'm on team.

1127
00:52:05,114 --> 00:52:06,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's divisive.

1128
00:52:06,594 --> 00:52:10,994
Speaker 2: Yes, I've got an extra reco too. Actually, so you

1129
00:52:11,114 --> 00:52:13,554
Speaker 2: know that our friend Mia, who out Louders know, is

1130
00:52:13,594 --> 00:52:16,473
Speaker 2: back on Tuesdays and Thursdays on the show and out

1131
00:52:16,514 --> 00:52:19,074
Speaker 2: Louders are loving it and it's so great. But she

1132
00:52:19,154 --> 00:52:21,434
Speaker 2: has been moonlighting. We keep saying she's.

1133
00:52:21,274 --> 00:52:22,714
Speaker 1: Been on a break. The woman has not been na.

1134
00:52:22,954 --> 00:52:24,034
Speaker 3: She's been making things.

1135
00:52:24,154 --> 00:52:27,354
Speaker 2: She's actually been being a producer, like a full producer.

1136
00:52:27,434 --> 00:52:31,674
Speaker 2: Well with other producers working on this big new project

1137
00:52:31,674 --> 00:52:34,714
Speaker 2: which is finally going to be unveiled next week.

1138
00:52:35,114 --> 00:52:37,234
Speaker 4: I remember seeing her in the office. She was wearing

1139
00:52:37,274 --> 00:52:38,754
Speaker 4: all black, which was rare for her.

1140
00:52:38,994 --> 00:52:39,954
Speaker 1: She had a producer cap on.

1141
00:52:40,474 --> 00:52:42,594
Speaker 2: You know that, Mia, If there's a job, it has

1142
00:52:42,634 --> 00:52:45,033
Speaker 2: to have an outfit like to go with the job.

1143
00:52:45,114 --> 00:52:47,274
Speaker 1: Like she couldn't be a producer in her normal.

1144
00:52:47,114 --> 00:52:47,953
Speaker 3: Where did she get that?

1145
00:52:48,114 --> 00:52:51,794
Speaker 2: Where did she get We don't have producer hats for

1146
00:52:51,834 --> 00:52:56,354
Speaker 2: all our producers and they're wearing normal clothes anyway. Producer

1147
00:52:56,394 --> 00:52:58,594
Speaker 2: Mia has been working on this big news show and

1148
00:52:58,634 --> 00:53:01,433
Speaker 2: it is four gen X women who love to laugh,

1149
00:53:01,474 --> 00:53:03,314
Speaker 2: which is pretty much every gen X woman I know,

1150
00:53:03,394 --> 00:53:05,394
Speaker 2: I have to say, particularly at the moment.

1151
00:53:05,394 --> 00:53:07,114
Speaker 1: It's called Unleashed Now.

1152
00:53:07,114 --> 00:53:10,634
Speaker 2: Now, it's pretty different from lots of shows we've made

1153
00:53:10,674 --> 00:53:13,594
Speaker 2: here at Mom and Maya because it's got seven hosts.

1154
00:53:13,794 --> 00:53:15,714
Speaker 2: They're not all on every show that is like a

1155
00:53:15,754 --> 00:53:18,154
Speaker 2: mix and match, lucky dip of who you're going to get,

1156
00:53:18,194 --> 00:53:20,433
Speaker 2: but from the pick and mix of the host, they

1157
00:53:20,434 --> 00:53:23,594
Speaker 2: get four and they're just talking about all kinds of

1158
00:53:23,634 --> 00:53:28,194
Speaker 2: shit from their lives, from the culture, and everything.

1159
00:53:27,794 --> 00:53:30,314
Speaker 3: Is funny and they're such interesting women, and I think

1160
00:53:30,354 --> 00:53:33,554
Speaker 3: that some of my favorite podcasts are about company, are

1161
00:53:33,594 --> 00:53:36,873
Speaker 3: about spending time with people I really enjoy the company of.

1162
00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:40,434
Speaker 3: And that's what Unleashed is is going to be funny

1163
00:53:40,514 --> 00:53:43,314
Speaker 3: and light and exactly what you're crazy.

1164
00:53:43,394 --> 00:53:45,274
Speaker 2: Follow if you want to know exactly who they are

1165
00:53:45,474 --> 00:53:48,994
Speaker 2: the hosts. Follow the Unleashed Show Instagram.

1166
00:53:49,154 --> 00:53:51,194
Speaker 1: It is KAO that Instagram. It's kao.

1167
00:53:51,594 --> 00:53:54,474
Speaker 3: You know why because it's Maya with a silly producer

1168
00:53:54,514 --> 00:53:58,954
Speaker 3: hat on, just going with no strategy, striving everyone mental.

1169
00:53:59,194 --> 00:54:00,994
Speaker 3: So if you want to go and see what an

1170
00:54:01,074 --> 00:54:03,514
Speaker 3: unhinged Maya looks like, go to the Unleashed Instagram.

1171
00:54:03,594 --> 00:54:07,834
Speaker 2: And Unleashed itself drops next week, So follow them so

1172
00:54:07,914 --> 00:54:10,074
Speaker 2: you know when it's coming. Go hang out with those

1173
00:54:10,114 --> 00:54:12,914
Speaker 2: bitches and then come back and hang out with these witches.

1174
00:54:13,874 --> 00:54:16,154
Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for on today's show, and

1175
00:54:16,234 --> 00:54:19,473
Speaker 2: for this week, a massive thank you to our team.

1176
00:54:19,394 --> 00:54:24,834
Speaker 3: Group executive producer Ruth Devine, executive producer Sasha tannic.

1177
00:54:24,634 --> 00:54:28,154
Speaker 4: A, senior audio producer is Leoh Porges, our video producer

1178
00:54:28,274 --> 00:54:31,874
Speaker 4: is Josh Green, and our junior content producer is Tessa Kodovic.

1179
00:54:32,314 --> 00:54:40,873
Speaker 2: By Mamma Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land

1180
00:54:40,954 --> 00:54:42,913
Speaker 2: on which we've recorded this podcast,