WEBVTT - People Are Shouting At The Wrong Man

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Amma Mia podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>that this podcast is recorded on Hello and welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>mom Mire out Loud. It's Wednesday, the twenty ninth of May.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Holly Wainwright, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Mea Friedman, and I'm Jesse Stevens.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the show today, did you see that video

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<v Speaker 2>of the woman running the half marathon and her husband

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<v Speaker 2>ushered their kids into her path just when she was

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<v Speaker 2>about to win. Yes, you did, and everything you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that video is wrong. Sorry about that. Also, Generation

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<v Speaker 2>Alpha have entered the chat and everything's skippity toilet and

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<v Speaker 2>not feeling it today. Perhaps it's time for some unhappiness leave.

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<v Speaker 2>But first, Jesse.

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<v Speaker 3>Today, doctor Christos Christo, who is the president of Doctors

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<v Speaker 3>Without Borders, said on ABC Radio National that he has

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<v Speaker 3>run out of words to describe the horrors of the

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<v Speaker 3>situation in Gaza. This week, a deadly air stra in

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<v Speaker 3>the area of Rafa in southern Gaza killed at least

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<v Speaker 3>forty five Palestinians and wounded dozens of others. This is

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<v Speaker 3>a place that the Israel Defense Force had declared safe.

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<v Speaker 3>It is where Palestinians have fled as Israel forces continue

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<v Speaker 3>their offensive. Just last week, the International Court of Justice

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<v Speaker 3>ordered Israel to halt its military operation in Rafa, noting

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<v Speaker 3>the immense risk to the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians

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<v Speaker 3>taking shelter there with nowhere to go. The international community,

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<v Speaker 3>from President Joe Biden to French Prime Minister Emmanuel Macron,

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<v Speaker 3>to our own Foreign Minister Penniwong, who said do not

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<v Speaker 3>go down this path, all foresaw what was going to

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<v Speaker 3>happen in Ruffa. So what did happen? Palestinians were sheltering intents,

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<v Speaker 3>seeking refuge from the bombardment they have faced for seven

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<v Speaker 3>months now, and according to the mayor of Ruffa, the

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<v Speaker 3>IDF launched more than seven missiles which killed men, women

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<v Speaker 3>and children. These civiliansans were killed in ways I do

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<v Speaker 3>not wish to detail. The horrors are too much to bear.

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<v Speaker 3>The last hospital in Rafa is on the brink of

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<v Speaker 3>no longer functioning, so there were few services to treat burns.

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<v Speaker 3>Displaced people dug through the rubble in an attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>find the bodies of their families, of their babies. Then

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<v Speaker 3>came the international condemnation. This is what Foreign Minister Penny

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<v Speaker 3>Wong said in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>May recall that the Prime Minister and I have both

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<v Speaker 4>said in relation to Rafa, our message to the Metayahoo

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<v Speaker 4>government do not go down this path. The international community

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<v Speaker 4>has been one on this. What we have seen in

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<v Speaker 4>the past twenty four hours reinforces why we and the

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<v Speaker 4>international community issued this warning. The death and destruction in

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<v Speaker 4>Rafa is horrific. This human suffering is unacceptable, and we

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<v Speaker 4>reiterate to the government of Israel this cannot continue.

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnia, who has referred to what

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<v Speaker 3>happened as a tragic mishap, and yet emerging reports indicate

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<v Speaker 3>that such an attack has happened again, with twenty one

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<v Speaker 3>people killed by an alleged Israeli air strike in a

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<v Speaker 3>so called safe area. Thirteen are believed to be women

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<v Speaker 3>and children. This rhetoric of a tragic mishap is something

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<v Speaker 3>we have heard again and again. We spoke a few

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<v Speaker 3>months ago about a six year old girl. There was

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<v Speaker 3>audio of her calling for emergency aid after she had

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<v Speaker 3>fled with her family, all of whom had been killed

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<v Speaker 3>by an Israeli Army tank who shot at their vehicle.

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<v Speaker 3>The call then went silent and Hindra Jab was also killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Australian journalist Jan Fran has shared a series of these

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<v Speaker 3>so called mistakes from the Israeli military, admitting it was

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<v Speaker 3>a mistake killing aid workers, Palestinian civilians walking down the street,

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<v Speaker 3>a four year old girl, journalists, three Israeli hostages. We

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<v Speaker 3>have watched as maternity hospitals have been destroyed, Premature babies

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<v Speaker 3>died at Alshifa Hospital. I mean, the list goes on.

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<v Speaker 3>The anger and distress in the atmosphere right now is palpable.

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<v Speaker 3>Following world to there were peace treaties and the UN

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<v Speaker 3>was formed and the Geneva Conventions set up laws of war.

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<v Speaker 3>And to sit inside our homes today and watch as

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<v Speaker 3>displaced people are killed, this is the stuff of nightmares.

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<v Speaker 1>Holly.

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<v Speaker 3>There was even a shift at the ICC last week,

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't there There was?

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the International Criminal Court, right, And what they

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<v Speaker 2>do is they investigate and lay charges on major issues

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<v Speaker 2>of international concern, right, so think major acts of terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>war crimes and what they call crimes against humanity and

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<v Speaker 2>what they did last week, and it actually shocked a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people because everybody's been watching this conflict rage

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<v Speaker 2>now for seven months, and every now and again things

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<v Speaker 2>get so horrific as they have this week that it

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<v Speaker 2>sort of spikes through all the other news stories around

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<v Speaker 2>all other kinds of consciousness, and everybody saying, how can

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<v Speaker 2>this still be happening? And how can nobody be stopping it?

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Levers have been pulled to try to bring around a

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<v Speaker 2>ceasefire and to try and stop it, and one of

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<v Speaker 2>them was what the International Criminal Court did. So after

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<v Speaker 2>an investigation last week, they issued warrants so literally like

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<v Speaker 2>warrants for arrest. I mean, it's a little more complicated

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<v Speaker 2>than that, but that's kind of how it works. For

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<v Speaker 2>three Hamas leaders in Gaza and Qatar over October the seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>The charges that they laid for the crimes that they

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<v Speaker 2>want those three people arrested on are crimes against humanity,

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<v Speaker 2>including extermination, murder, hostage taking, rape and torture. The thing

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<v Speaker 2>that shocked a lot of people is they also charged

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu and his defense minister, a guy called Yohav Galant.

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<v Speaker 2>They charged them with crimes that include the starvation of

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<v Speaker 2>civilians of a weapon of war, murder, extermination, and intentional

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<v Speaker 2>attacks on civilians. Obviously, it's international law and its complex,

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<v Speaker 2>but in theory there's sort of a warrant out for

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu and these other people that if he entered a

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<v Speaker 2>member state of the ICC, like the UK, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>he would have to be arrested. There was a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fury about that in Israel because they were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>this is false equivalence. You're putting us in the same

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<v Speaker 2>bucket as the terrorist organization HAMSS. That's not actually true

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<v Speaker 2>because the charges are different, the charges are separate. What

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<v Speaker 2>the International Criminal Court was trying to do is pull

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<v Speaker 2>one of these levers to kind of get I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a really flippant way of saying, is like the grown

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<v Speaker 2>ups in the room, to take this more and more seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And it felt like some sympathy was swinging to Netanyahu then,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of people who have any skin in

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<v Speaker 2>the game were saying, come on, you can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happened in Rougher this week has upended all that

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<v Speaker 2>again because the ICC and the ICJ, and the ICJ

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<v Speaker 2>is like a court that deals with states and the

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<v Speaker 2>ICC deals with individuals. But either way, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>step in and say we're laying charges we're doing all

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<v Speaker 2>these different things. There are emotions being passed at the

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<v Speaker 2>un and nothing is working. And I think for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people, and I would say maybe particularly young

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<v Speaker 2>people who are kind of watching all this happen and

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<v Speaker 2>getting to grips with how the world works, They're like,

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<v Speaker 2>how can I be seeing this unrelenting horror on my phone,

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<v Speaker 2>on my TV constantly in my life and nobody is

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<v Speaker 2>stepping in to stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're hearing out louders say that this has fundamentally changed them.

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<v Speaker 3>I really agree with that assessment. I think seeing some

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<v Speaker 3>of the images, hearing the stories, the sense that there

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<v Speaker 3>is no world order that you can do this after

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<v Speaker 3>the horrors of the twentieth century, that this can be

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<v Speaker 3>done by a country that, as you say, is allied

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<v Speaker 3>with the West is very hard to reconcile. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think that any of us can grasp the despair of

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<v Speaker 3>living in Palestine right now, what that must be like.

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<v Speaker 5>When you go on social media, it's very different when

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<v Speaker 5>you're talking to people in real life. When you're talking

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<v Speaker 5>to people in real life, the mood is grief and

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<v Speaker 5>devastation and shock and despair and all of those things.

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<v Speaker 5>On social media. There is a huge amount of anger,

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<v Speaker 5>and I also understand that. I understand that when people

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<v Speaker 5>feel helpless and they feel devastated and they're grieving, anger

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<v Speaker 5>is on. It's a very normal human reaction to what

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<v Speaker 5>we're seeing. But it can also fool you into believing

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<v Speaker 5>that you are doing something with your anger. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not saying there's not a place for anger or that anger.

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<v Speaker 1>Is not appropriate.

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<v Speaker 5>At the outrageous things that we're seeing in the devastating.

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<v Speaker 3>Footage, I don't think we know where to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's like, what do we do with this?

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<v Speaker 5>What do we do with these images? Is sharing them

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<v Speaker 5>going to help? How is it going to help?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>What can we in Australia do.

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<v Speaker 3>I've thought about this a lot, and I've had some

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<v Speaker 3>really productive conversations about putting pressure on politicians. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of a lack of transparency about weapon manufacturing

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<v Speaker 3>and how much Australia has to do with that, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's something that's important. I think Australia pulling

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<v Speaker 3>every lever that they can is something that when you

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<v Speaker 3>get a ground swell of you know, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 3>protest is demonstrating like not in our name. This is

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<v Speaker 3>not something that any of us. Yeah, and important, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, I have to say as a Jewish woman, there's

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<v Speaker 5>this idea among some people that if you're Jewish, or

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<v Speaker 5>if you believe in the right of Israel to exist,

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<v Speaker 5>or if you object to people saying from the River

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<v Speaker 5>to the sea, you don't care that you are not

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<v Speaker 5>affected by these images, that you are fine with what's

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<v Speaker 5>happening in Rafa, or that you cheer it on, or

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<v Speaker 5>good God. And I just find that so extraordinary and bizarre,

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<v Speaker 5>the idea that you could only be allowed to care

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<v Speaker 5>about one group of people and about one type of suffering,

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<v Speaker 5>and the suffering of only certain.

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<v Speaker 1>People but not other people.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been deeply shocked by that. I've never seen a

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<v Speaker 5>story like that. And of course, you know, there was

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<v Speaker 5>a poll that came out last week that said something

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<v Speaker 5>like seventy five of Australians have empathy for both Palestinians

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<v Speaker 5>and Israelis because they can see that is Israeli people

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<v Speaker 5>and what happened on October seventh is not the same

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<v Speaker 5>as what the Israeli government is doing and what has

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<v Speaker 5>happened in Rafa. I don't know anyone who's watching what's

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<v Speaker 5>happening in Rafa, no matter what their religion and what

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<v Speaker 5>their belief about Israel, and is not devastated by it.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no one braver in my mind than the AID workers,

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<v Speaker 2>the organizations who are continuing to try and get some

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<v Speaker 2>practical help on the ground, which can be.

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<v Speaker 3>As we've seen, it's a lethal decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the stories I found very affecting but had

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of almost hopeful turn this week was actually

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<v Speaker 2>about the problems of getting aids through in some instances,

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<v Speaker 2>because one of the crossings that's recently been opened for

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<v Speaker 2>AID convoys on the West Bank in Israel was getting

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<v Speaker 2>attacked by extremists who are runsacking and burning the AID

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<v Speaker 2>trucks to try and stop the AID from getting through,

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<v Speaker 2>which is devastating right. But then an organization of mostly

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<v Speaker 2>young Jewish and Arab peace activists have formed a humanitarian

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<v Speaker 2>guard there to get there to stop those abhorrent attacks

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<v Speaker 2>and get the AID through. They're called Standing Together. I

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<v Speaker 2>urge anyone to follow them on social there. They're remarkable.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want to say, because it isn't simple.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been talking on this show and providing links to

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<v Speaker 2>AID organizations, it isn't simple because there is no more

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous place in the world right now than Gaza, So

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<v Speaker 2>it is not as simple as send you money and

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<v Speaker 2>someone will get a meal. But there are some unbelievably

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<v Speaker 2>brave organizations. We're going to shout a couple of them

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<v Speaker 2>out and put them in the show notes you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>before Jesse Doctors without Borders, whose doctors on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>are obviously beyond exhausted and beyond capacity, are working in

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<v Speaker 2>what's left of the hospitals and health organizations all over Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an incredible organization called the World's Central Kitchen, and

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<v Speaker 2>people might have heard of it because seven of their

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<v Speaker 2>workers were killed in an IDEA strike a few months

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<v Speaker 2>ago and they had to suspend operations and what they

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<v Speaker 2>do and this kind of sounds a bit strange when

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<v Speaker 2>you first hear about it. They're an organization of volunteer

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<v Speaker 2>chefs and they go into war zones all over the

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<v Speaker 2>world and they work with local people and local cooks.

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<v Speaker 5>There.

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<v Speaker 2>They're literally set up camp kitchens. They know exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>to do it, exactly what's needed, you know, massive pots

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<v Speaker 2>sort of the containers that need to go, the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of food local people want, to eat and they cook

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<v Speaker 1>You got that, Ohio, skibbity riz?

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<v Speaker 2>What the sigma?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And why are kids saying it?

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<v Speaker 5>In case you missed it, Generation Alpha, who are people

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<v Speaker 5>younger than fourteen, have made up some new words. Ohio,

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<v Speaker 5>get sigma, rizzler and skibbity toilet.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I might know what rizzler means.

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<v Speaker 1>What's rizzler?

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it could be related to riz, which

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<v Speaker 3>we learned about last year, which is krisma, and we

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<v Speaker 3>all decided I didn't have it, which I still feel

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<v Speaker 3>weter you don't think, but apparently I do have skibberty toilet.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't know if I'm a rizzler or not.

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<v Speaker 5>Now you may be confused, we all have been. Let's

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<v Speaker 5>just talk about jen Alpha for a while. Examples are

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<v Speaker 5>Blue Ivy, who is the daughter of Beyond Same jay Z,

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<v Speaker 5>Kim Kardashian, and Kanye West's eldest daughter, Northwest.

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<v Speaker 3>I say a lot of her tiktoks.

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<v Speaker 5>As I said, the oldest of this generation of fourteen

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<v Speaker 5>and they were born in the years to twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 5>And kids their age are making trends and creating slang

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<v Speaker 5>terms online.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know what they mean.

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<v Speaker 5>I just texted my daughter, who is eighteen, skibbity toilet.

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<v Speaker 5>She texted back, what is this? And then she said

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<v Speaker 5>her girlfriend says, you are not woke. Me are just strange.

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<v Speaker 2>I live with two alphas, obviously my kids are alpha's.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked Matilda yesterday, my daughter, fourteen year old daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>what skibbitty toilet meant? And she was so mortified that

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<v Speaker 2>I even asked the question. She just immediately got on

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<v Speaker 2>her phone and sent a voice note to a front

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<v Speaker 2>This is how they carry on. She got a voice

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<v Speaker 2>note to a friend being like, mom, just asked me,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said, you're not going to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna say it on the show? Are you're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to say it?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I asked Billy, who's eleven, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really mean anything, you just like say it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just say and I was like, I don't stand.

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<v Speaker 5>How do we explain to them? They don't know how language?

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<v Speaker 5>Were okay, well, not everyone agrees on its meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>It is disputed.

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<v Speaker 5>It originated from the Russian rave band Big.

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<v Speaker 3>See this is the problem are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>A remix was made of the song.

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<v Speaker 3>A remix of what by whom?

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<v Speaker 1>Little Big song?

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<v Speaker 5>A remix was made of the song and then repurposed

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<v Speaker 5>on YouTube by the channel de fuck Boom. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>too many steps toilet in the clip, I'm getting to

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<v Speaker 5>the good part. In the clip, it shows a head

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<v Speaker 5>in a toilet singing a song. It doesn't really mean anything.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just an inside joke.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently I tried to get them to use it in

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<v Speaker 2>the sentence you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know that I'm going to be saying it constantly and

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<v Speaker 5>they will never use it again. What's my new Kozi lips?

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<v Speaker 5>People say, ohio, and that's sort of short for only

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<v Speaker 5>in Ohio, which means something that's weird or strange or creepy,

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<v Speaker 5>like us using the phrase skippy toilet. So it's an

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<v Speaker 5>insult because Ohio is apparently considered to be a bit

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<v Speaker 5>of a weird place.

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<v Speaker 3>I feels offensive to Ohio and.

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<v Speaker 5>Get or gee it or get get. I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>it means big bottom. Sigma is widely known as the

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<v Speaker 5>a teenth letter of the Green alphabet of It, the

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<v Speaker 5>Greek alphabet, the alphabet that the dead alphas is not

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<v Speaker 5>widely known by me, but whatever. Apparently it means a

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<v Speaker 5>man who is popular and dominant, and they may also

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<v Speaker 5>have traditional values.

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<v Speaker 2>That typical becomes faf as sexist. I think sigma has

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<v Speaker 2>come out of the manisphere. But I think it also means.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of cool.

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<v Speaker 3>What's an alphabet?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think sigmas have to be like musty.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh. A rizzler is a derivative of the word charisma,

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<v Speaker 5>but it means someone who is a pro at flirting

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<v Speaker 5>with people or has good game, so it actually has

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<v Speaker 5>sexual connotations more whereas just saying that someone's got riz

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<v Speaker 5>is not about sex, it's about their personality.

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<v Speaker 3>Fourteen none of them have good game. None of them

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<v Speaker 3>are rizzlers. Yeah, they're walking around going skibbty divity toilet

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<v Speaker 3>it not game.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I need to clear up another Internet problem for

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<v Speaker 2>you in the middle of this very tumultuous time that

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<v Speaker 2>we're living in. For a few days last week, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the Internet's wrath was directed at one man, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was a Brazilian husband who took his children to

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<v Speaker 2>watch their mother run a race and allowed the kids

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<v Speaker 2>to run onto the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see this? I did this? Poor man got canceled.

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<v Speaker 5>I was very confused because you know when you see

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<v Speaker 5>the Internet's angry about something and you're like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 5>better get across this. And I'm like, right, so is

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<v Speaker 5>it a heart woman clip about a woman running across

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<v Speaker 5>a finish line? And I'm like, oh no, someone's being canceled.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not a heart woman clip about a woman completing

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<v Speaker 5>a marathon. It's a cancelation clip about a man behaving badly.

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<v Speaker 1>What did he do?

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<v Speaker 2>What he did and what the world thinks he did

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<v Speaker 2>two different things?

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<v Speaker 1>Ll maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>So reason everybody got upset is because this woman who

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<v Speaker 2>a half marathon is a long way and she'd obviously

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<v Speaker 2>trained very hard and she was winning.

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<v Speaker 1>And just as she.

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<v Speaker 2>Gets to the line, he like ushers the children into

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<v Speaker 2>her path and she swerves around them like she doesn't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>She swerves around them to finish across the world and

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<v Speaker 2>win her marathon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yay, it nearly cost her the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody said, how typical that that man was so

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<v Speaker 2>overlooking after his own children for an hour and forty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was quite funny because she had to run around them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she like swerved, she went around them like that

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<v Speaker 2>that he couldn't wait to hand them back. And they said,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so typical of a man stepping on a

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<v Speaker 2>woman's achievement. This is da da da da da.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, shut up that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well know, I know, I'm going to defend that in

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<v Speaker 2>a minute. But then what happened is at the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>the woman and the man came out and she's called

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<v Speaker 2>Luciana Lorenzo and he's called Pedro Lorenzo. And Luciana cleared

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<v Speaker 2>up that what Pedro had done was exactly what she'd

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<v Speaker 2>asked him to do, and that they'd agreed together. She said,

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<v Speaker 2>this was a fun well not a fun run, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was a race in her hometown.

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<v Speaker 1>And nothing fun about him.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it would be fun for the girls to

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<v Speaker 2>come and see her do it, like how inspirational. But

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is is she didn't think she was going

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<v Speaker 2>to win, right, She just thought she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>run it. And so she said to Pedro, bring the

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<v Speaker 2>girls down stand near the finish line, and when I passed,

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<v Speaker 2>following instruction, the kids can join and we might all

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<v Speaker 2>run over the finish line together. But then what happened

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<v Speaker 2>is Luciana was a much better runner than she even

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<v Speaker 2>thought she was, and she was in first place and

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<v Speaker 2>she was going to win, and then her husband doushed

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<v Speaker 2>the kids in front of her, and she was like,

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<v Speaker 2>get those fuckers out.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the way. I'm gonna win my race.

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<v Speaker 2>So she said, oh. Then when I realized I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to win, I saw the kids and I was like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>can't do family time. Now I'm going to cross the line,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said to the kids, she said, the kids

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<v Speaker 2>were fine and happy and not upset at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're proud and excited. So that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I want to say is, yes, it's true

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<v Speaker 2>that the Internet got very upset with this man for

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<v Speaker 2>no reason, But why did we all make that assumption.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's because we've all been there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is a classic tale of the Internet finding

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<v Speaker 3>something that helps them tell a specific story they would

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<v Speaker 3>like to tell today.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and it.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually wasn't about the video and it wasn't about the facts.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the Internet apologize it wasn't about us?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know what I reckon that A really important

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<v Speaker 3>piece of context was the Harrison Butker graduation speech that

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<v Speaker 3>had been just the week before.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a fainting mood.

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<v Speaker 3>We were rile, we were pissed. We were like, women

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<v Speaker 3>can't have anything even when we graduate. It's just like

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<v Speaker 3>your greatest joy is going to be your kids and

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<v Speaker 3>your husband and being a wife and a mother. And

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<v Speaker 3>then we see a woman running to a finish line

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like the husband and the children descend and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like that woman should kick those people out of

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<v Speaker 3>the way to have her moment of glory.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like, back off, this isn't about you. Yes, that

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<v Speaker 5>was a bit like there are a lot of videos

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<v Speaker 5>when Taylor's we've started her concert about people proposing. During

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<v Speaker 5>the song love story, like you know, marry me Juliet

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<v Speaker 5>is the line, and that was the moment in that

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<v Speaker 5>song that a lot of people dropped to one knee.

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<v Speaker 5>That's if you're going to propose, you're going to do

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<v Speaker 5>it then. And so that's kind of been happening all

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<v Speaker 5>over the tour and a lot of people were really

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<v Speaker 5>pushed back about it. And it started with Taffy Bredessa

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<v Speaker 5>akne amazing piece about being at a Taylor Swift concert

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<v Speaker 5>and she said, and she acknowledged that she was projecting,

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<v Speaker 5>but a lot of Swift he spoke about this that

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<v Speaker 5>she took something that belonged to that woman, which is

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<v Speaker 5>that song meaning something to her? And he imposed himself, honest.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly what people thought were happening in this video,

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<v Speaker 2>and they also I think mothers in particular looked at

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<v Speaker 2>it and went, this is like when I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the gym for an hour on a

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday morning and I get all this, when's it my

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<v Speaker 2>turn to have some time off? And it's like when

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<v Speaker 2>you get a promotion and it's all like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you gonna do about childcare? And when you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go away for a weekend and it's like, well, are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to organize drop off sporting things?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's eating?

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<v Speaker 2>What who's going where like?

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<v Speaker 3>And you're like, I'd like to go for a walk,

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<v Speaker 3>and your husband's like family time. I think your walk

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<v Speaker 3>sound family time.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, we all projected our shit onto Luciano and Pedro,

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<v Speaker 2>who were actually.

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<v Speaker 5>Doing absolutely fine. Jesseye, I saw you're on the project

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<v Speaker 5>last night. Who was looking after Luna while you were

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<v Speaker 5>gallivanting around?

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<v Speaker 3>Look? I didn't even consider Luna. Oh no, it was

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<v Speaker 3>my husband. Yeah, no, he was babysitting exactly right, So

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<v Speaker 3>that when mummy works it's not a family affair. Luna's

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<v Speaker 3>not invited.

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<v Speaker 5>According to the South China Morning Post, You Dong Liae

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<v Speaker 5>said at an industry conference, I want every staff member

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<v Speaker 5>to have freedom. Everyone has times when they're not happy,

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<v Speaker 5>So if you're not happy, do not come to work.

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<v Speaker 5>Staff can take unhappy days when they want, in addition

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<v Speaker 5>to normal sick and holiday leave. Entitlements and management cannot refuse,

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<v Speaker 5>so it is in addition to it is so in

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<v Speaker 5>the olden days, if you wanted to take a day

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<v Speaker 5>off work and you weren't seek you would chuck a SICKI.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know why you would chuck one. That's very Australian,

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<v Speaker 5>but I love that I chucked many a siki from school.

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<v Speaker 5>Learn how to forge my Mum's signature, work to treat.

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<v Speaker 5>But in twenty twenty four, there is a long list

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<v Speaker 5>of leave that employees can take. There's annual leave and

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<v Speaker 5>sick leave, cares leave, parental leave, compassionate and bereavement leave,

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<v Speaker 5>family and domestic violence leave in some organizations, and if

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<v Speaker 5>you've been somewhere a long time, you can also take

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<v Speaker 5>something called long service leave. Some companies also offer extra

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<v Speaker 5>days for menstrual leave. There are days for gender reassignment leave.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, there's also parental leave. At Mum and Me

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<v Speaker 5>or we offer a day of birthday leave. It is

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<v Speaker 5>called your Mum and me day on your birthday? But

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<v Speaker 5>would you take unhappiness leave Holly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, do you have to tell everybody that you're unhappy?

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<v Speaker 2>I have to go?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, if I'm really unhappy, I don't really want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell everybody because.

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<v Speaker 3>Then your boss feels obligated to say really unhappy about

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<v Speaker 3>and then you've got to tell them, and they don't care,

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<v Speaker 3>and you don't want to tell them, and then what

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<v Speaker 3>are they going to make you feel better?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it just called a mental health day?

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<v Speaker 2>Mental health day or a doner day, or whatever we

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<v Speaker 2>might want to call them. I'm fascinated to know if

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<v Speaker 2>we've evolved past sickies, because now culturally we've embraced the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of self care, we've embraced the idea of fighting burnout,

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<v Speaker 2>We've embraced all those things. So now if you're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I really need a day, is it okay? Or do

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<v Speaker 2>you still have to do things like we used to

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<v Speaker 2>have to do in the old days where the day

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<v Speaker 2>that you come back after the SICKI you have to try.

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<v Speaker 1>And remember to talk like this for a certain.

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<v Speaker 3>Portion of the day and keep in line what you

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<v Speaker 3>were sick with you can't say, oh, the headache was

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<v Speaker 3>really bad when apparently you're on the toilet all day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Do some workplaces have a thing where you can't text

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<v Speaker 5>that you're sick, you have to ring?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh the text has saved me many a time.

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<v Speaker 2>Very recently, that was a big debate but seems to

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<v Speaker 2>have been resolved. So do you think that SICKI is dead?

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<v Speaker 2>And therefore it doesn't really matter what you call the leave.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just leave that you can take.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you have personal slash care as leave, right, So

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<v Speaker 3>if I'm fashioning a text, I will often detail what

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<v Speaker 3>it is. So I've got a really bad cough, can't

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<v Speaker 3>come to work today, whatever. But if you just sent

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<v Speaker 3>a message, if you've received a message as a manager

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<v Speaker 3>and it just said, can't come to work today, see

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<v Speaker 3>you tomorrow, does that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have to be a reason still rumpy? I

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<v Speaker 1>would be grumpy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't manage people anymore, but I did for many years,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you just sent me can't come today sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, I need more detail. If you ever

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<v Speaker 2>text me here and say you're sick. She wants a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of detail, and that's not because she wants to

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<v Speaker 2>prove you wrong. It's just because she thinks she's a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor for helpful advice. She will immediately say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>when did it come on? And what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>stand exactly?

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<v Speaker 5>And I also want to know when did you start

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<v Speaker 5>feeling sick and how recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's very, very germ phobic like that. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of me that loves it and a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>me that hates it. Right, because what we have recognized

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<v Speaker 2>is that rest is important if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>the best out of people. The idea of work work

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<v Speaker 2>till you fall over. We have kind of moved culturally certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean, I know this might be a bit generational.

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<v Speaker 2>People have moved past that. They're like, to get the

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<v Speaker 2>best out of your employees and get the best out

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<v Speaker 2>of people, you've got to let them have a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a break. Sometimes.

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<v Speaker 5>I wust to let my kids have mental health days.

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<v Speaker 2>I know at school, I don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you believe in it?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do it. I used to be very strict.

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking this yesterday because my daughter had a

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<v Speaker 2>day of school yesterday because she wasn't feeling well. And

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<v Speaker 2>I said to brentle my leg a sore.

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<v Speaker 3>Throat, I said to Brent, do you have a sore throat?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid, my leg had to be

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<v Speaker 2>falling off right to be allowed to stay home. No, absolutely, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Sickies weren't tolerated at all in my house. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>because I had two working parents. And obviously, once you

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<v Speaker 2>get to a certain age where you can just be

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<v Speaker 2>home alone, but right up until then, you being is

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<v Speaker 2>a massive problem for them. I remember my mum was

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<v Speaker 2>a teacher through a lot of that time, and I

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes had to go and sit at the back of

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<v Speaker 2>her classroom. I had a lot of memories of that,

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<v Speaker 2>which was punishment enough in itself for you to never

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<v Speaker 2>want to throw a because watching your mom be a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher is kind of mortifying. So I think it's quite

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<v Speaker 2>ingraining me and I don't let them have mental health days,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do that assessment that you do where you go,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you're not really sick, but you're really tad. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it an important day? What's on today? Will you miss

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<v Speaker 2>anything important?

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<v Speaker 4>Da?

0:27:36.127 --> 0:27:36.527
<v Speaker 1>Da da da?

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<v Speaker 2>And when you've got kids with certain issues, you've got

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of appointments and all those things. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not as strict about it as my parents were, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm strict about it on myself because I think I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up with that ingrained in me and I've never

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<v Speaker 2>in my life just called up and said I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>coming to work today because I'm sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I couldn't even do it, could you imagine? Wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>go down well in Manchester. I couldn't even do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But do I admire it and think that maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>should all like give ourselves because really the thing about this,

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<v Speaker 2>even from a boss's perspective, people is you're had a

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<v Speaker 2>good job, but I know, but you're no good to

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<v Speaker 2>me if you come in here, you're just miserable and

0:28:10.247 --> 0:28:12.647
<v Speaker 2>moping around and not doing anything and hanging around in

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<v Speaker 2>the kitchen winging.

0:28:13.727 --> 0:28:15.367
<v Speaker 3>And like if I'm sad, though, I think I would

0:28:15.447 --> 0:28:17.487
<v Speaker 3>rather be at work and then spend my happy days off,

0:28:17.847 --> 0:28:19.927
<v Speaker 3>Like why would I want to spend my day, my

0:28:20.007 --> 0:28:22.927
<v Speaker 3>sad day at home? It feels like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Question, bring it to work.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the thing. I did read this incredible article

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<v Speaker 3>in the Guardian and it was all about the idea

0:28:29.607 --> 0:28:32.087
<v Speaker 3>of a life's abatical. So if you're unhappy, don't stop it.

0:28:32.167 --> 0:28:35.407
<v Speaker 3>One day, take a year. So Emma Gannon took a

0:28:35.487 --> 0:28:37.047
<v Speaker 3>year off and she has a new book called The

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<v Speaker 3>Year of Doing Nothing, which is my goal.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's like eat, pray, love, Like it's easy to

0:28:42.487 --> 0:28:44.927
<v Speaker 5>do that. If you get a massive book advance and.

0:28:44.807 --> 0:28:48.487
<v Speaker 3>You just write a book doing last thing.

0:28:48.527 --> 0:28:50.207
<v Speaker 2>It annoys me about those kind of books. I love

0:28:50.207 --> 0:28:52.047
<v Speaker 2>e m Gunn and I'm not criticizing her, but people

0:28:52.087 --> 0:28:53.927
<v Speaker 2>who tell you that they weren't doing anything and they

0:28:53.927 --> 0:28:56.527
<v Speaker 2>were writing a book, mate, you are not helping, Like

0:28:56.607 --> 0:28:58.047
<v Speaker 2>writing a book is a lot of work.

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<v Speaker 1>But I found useful in this.

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<v Speaker 3>It said what you should do right if you want

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<v Speaker 3>to rest, if you're going to throw your unhappiness day

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<v Speaker 3>or if you're going to throw a sickie is rest

0:29:05.927 --> 0:29:07.847
<v Speaker 3>is the opposite to what you do in the office

0:29:07.847 --> 0:29:09.527
<v Speaker 3>all day. So I was saying that if you're a teacher,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, and your job is giving a lot of instructions,

0:29:12.247 --> 0:29:14.407
<v Speaker 3>your day off or your holiday has to involve you

0:29:14.487 --> 0:29:18.167
<v Speaker 3>giving no instructions. So like someone else decides where you're

0:29:18.207 --> 0:29:20.647
<v Speaker 3>going to have dinner, and then like because you have

0:29:20.687 --> 0:29:22.447
<v Speaker 3>sort of decision fatigue. And I think it's the same

0:29:22.447 --> 0:29:24.687
<v Speaker 3>with us. It's like when we recharge because our jobs

0:29:24.687 --> 0:29:28.727
<v Speaker 3>are so much talking and quite social in nature. It's

0:29:28.767 --> 0:29:30.727
<v Speaker 3>like our rest has to look like sitting in a

0:29:30.807 --> 0:29:33.127
<v Speaker 3>dark room bedro rocking back and forth. I thought that

0:29:33.207 --> 0:29:34.007
<v Speaker 3>was very, very true.

0:29:34.047 --> 0:29:36.807
<v Speaker 2>I've got a really good episode of mid coming up

0:29:36.847 --> 0:29:40.007
<v Speaker 2>next week friends about burnout, and that's exactly what the

0:29:40.007 --> 0:29:43.007
<v Speaker 2>author Castro may say says. Rest is relative to everybody.

0:29:43.127 --> 0:29:45.087
<v Speaker 2>Like the idea that rest just means laying on a

0:29:45.127 --> 0:29:46.767
<v Speaker 2>couch is not true if.

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<v Speaker 5>You're all flexing your podcasts and your projects and stuff.

0:29:49.927 --> 0:29:53.167
<v Speaker 5>I this week got up early to go do an

0:29:53.207 --> 0:29:56.527
<v Speaker 5>interview for No Filter, which is my podcast about the

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<v Speaker 5>seven different types of rest.

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<v Speaker 1>And she didn't show up, and I was very tired

0:30:00.727 --> 0:30:03.967
<v Speaker 1>because I got up very was she resting? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't happy though.

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<v Speaker 5>I wonted did that thing because I had to get

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<v Speaker 5>up early. I woke up all through the night, like

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<v Speaker 5>three o'clock, four o'clock, five o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Should have taken an unhappiness day.

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<v Speaker 3>I should have out louders by now. I really hope

0:30:18.607 --> 0:30:21.247
<v Speaker 3>you've all watched it. The idea of you and Hathaway. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're having an unhappiness day. May I suggest watching

0:30:23.607 --> 0:30:24.567
<v Speaker 3>that film on repeat?

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<v Speaker 2>What if the outlouders said that they watched it on

0:30:26.407 --> 0:30:29.567
<v Speaker 2>their dourner day in nash And we.

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<v Speaker 5>Should talk about this at some stage, maybe on a

0:30:31.527 --> 0:30:36.847
<v Speaker 5>different subs episode about the return of digital penetration as

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<v Speaker 5>a sex scene.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't expect me to say that digital penetration? Did

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<v Speaker 1>I miss the fingering in that film? You did?

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<v Speaker 3>When?

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<v Speaker 1>Did that happen? Also in British? And it's everywhere that

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<v Speaker 1>I look at the moment. It's a trend. Let's do

0:30:49.927 --> 0:30:52.047
<v Speaker 1>a sub episode on fingering out loud as you heard

0:30:52.047 --> 0:30:53.087
<v Speaker 1>any focustomer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to remember the I'm sorry I say, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Skibbity toilet.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Maa watched it and gave Holly and I homework

0:31:08.967 --> 0:31:11.847
<v Speaker 3>to watch sh and then we had an interesting chat.

0:31:12.367 --> 0:31:14.807
<v Speaker 5>Rely wasn't watching it closely enough because she missed the

0:31:14.807 --> 0:31:15.487
<v Speaker 5>fingering scene?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it must have been quick. Okay, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>That yesterday subscriber episode. If you want to watch it

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<v Speaker 3>all about the idea of you. Here is a sneak peek.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea here right is an interesting one. He's twenty four,

0:31:29.527 --> 0:31:33.447
<v Speaker 2>she's forty he's famous. She's not. But she looks twenty

0:31:33.487 --> 0:31:36.247
<v Speaker 2>four and sher body's like a twenty four year old body.

0:31:36.407 --> 0:31:38.967
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of the tension there. And there is

0:31:39.007 --> 0:31:40.487
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a scene in there where she's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to feel really self conscious about being in the swimmers

0:31:42.447 --> 0:31:44.727
<v Speaker 2>in front of hot young girls and things, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She stands in front of the mirror and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh no, I'm a victorious secret angel.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm calling time. We're done for today.

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<v Speaker 1>MIA's brought up fingering.

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<v Speaker 2>We all need to go back to our desks.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be back in your ears on.

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<v Speaker 2>Friday, when we'll be doing one of our off the

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<v Speaker 2>news episodes and sorting out all your friendship issues and ours,

0:32:07.207 --> 0:32:12.047
<v Speaker 2>especially after that conversation with enormous thanks to our amazing

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<v Speaker 2>team Emmeline Gazillas. The assistant producer of our show is

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Blackman. We've had audio production from their porges and

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<v Speaker 2>a special thanks to our wonderful brand manager, Carrie Scott Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye bye bye.

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