1 00:00:11,104 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,104 --> 00:00:18,784 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,864 --> 00:00:26,984 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. From Mamma Mia, Welcome to 4 00:00:27,024 --> 00:00:30,664 Speaker 1: the Spill your daily pop culture things. I'm Laura Brodnick 5 00:00:30,784 --> 00:00:34,504 Speaker 1: and I'm vernam M's back on the orange couch from per. 6 00:00:34,984 --> 00:00:37,064 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm going to get like a sprain 7 00:00:37,144 --> 00:00:38,704 Speaker 2: in my neck from turning like this. 8 00:00:39,064 --> 00:00:41,344 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes we're in a proper studio and sometimes we're 9 00:00:41,344 --> 00:00:43,464 Speaker 1: on a massive orange couch and I you can maybe 10 00:00:43,504 --> 00:00:46,704 Speaker 1: hear the different ergonomic Well, you look great. I told 11 00:00:46,744 --> 00:00:48,464 Speaker 1: you that's very pretty. As she came in, look am 12 00:00:48,464 --> 00:00:52,784 Speaker 1: I slash and as we know, being pretty is what matters. Yeah, 13 00:00:52,864 --> 00:00:55,384 Speaker 1: the only thing that matters. Per That's the only compliment 14 00:00:55,424 --> 00:00:58,064 Speaker 1: I want to give you anyway on the show today. 15 00:00:58,104 --> 00:01:00,104 Speaker 1: Oh my god, so much to talk about. I love when, 16 00:01:00,224 --> 00:01:02,944 Speaker 1: like over the weekend, when I'm just like saving one 17 00:01:03,024 --> 00:01:05,464 Speaker 1: hundred things in my notes app, I'm writing down things 18 00:01:05,504 --> 00:01:08,464 Speaker 1: that have the headline Tell Emily, I've got a thousand 19 00:01:08,464 --> 00:01:10,304 Speaker 1: screenshots in my phone. When there's lots of little new 20 00:01:10,584 --> 00:01:12,864 Speaker 1: things to pop up over the weekend, That's what I know. 21 00:01:12,864 --> 00:01:14,784 Speaker 1: A Monday show is going to be lit. This one's 22 00:01:14,864 --> 00:01:17,224 Speaker 1: very lit. So coming up on the show today, White 23 00:01:17,224 --> 00:01:19,664 Speaker 1: Lotus season three, we thought it was behind us. The 24 00:01:19,744 --> 00:01:23,984 Speaker 1: drama has escalated. No, get Ryan Murphy in here. This 25 00:01:24,024 --> 00:01:27,904 Speaker 1: is the next season he does that TV show about 26 00:01:27,944 --> 00:01:31,544 Speaker 1: fictionalized famous feuds. That's what we need for this. Plus, 27 00:01:31,624 --> 00:01:34,824 Speaker 1: Blake Lively has given her first proper sit down interview 28 00:01:35,144 --> 00:01:38,904 Speaker 1: since the whole legal situation blought with Justin Baldoni. We're 29 00:01:38,904 --> 00:01:40,504 Speaker 1: going to get into that. There's so much to say, 30 00:01:40,504 --> 00:01:42,864 Speaker 1: but first you have something you wanted to bring to 31 00:01:42,904 --> 00:01:45,184 Speaker 1: the table. I need, which I'm not super across. I'm 32 00:01:45,184 --> 00:01:45,744 Speaker 1: gonna listen here. 33 00:01:45,744 --> 00:01:48,704 Speaker 2: Okay, I need to talk about a man who needs 34 00:01:48,744 --> 00:01:51,064 Speaker 2: to come back down to Earth Jesus physically. 35 00:01:52,424 --> 00:01:57,104 Speaker 1: I'm talking about Benson Boone. Oh God, please don't need 36 00:01:57,104 --> 00:02:00,184 Speaker 1: to become the Benson Boone defender on this podcasts the 37 00:02:00,264 --> 00:02:01,424 Speaker 1: third time I've had to do it. 38 00:02:01,864 --> 00:02:04,264 Speaker 2: So Quintera Brunson had to host. 39 00:02:04,344 --> 00:02:07,624 Speaker 1: Dave had to. She was offered to post. 40 00:02:07,864 --> 00:02:11,664 Speaker 2: SNL Saturday Night Live last week as in because fan 41 00:02:12,384 --> 00:02:13,984 Speaker 2: and so I discovered on this podcast. 42 00:02:14,104 --> 00:02:16,384 Speaker 1: It wasn't that long ago. When you're like SML is 43 00:02:16,384 --> 00:02:18,864 Speaker 1: still relevant, and I was like, yeah, it's pretty still 44 00:02:18,904 --> 00:02:21,984 Speaker 1: relevant in a massive way. And ever since then weekly 45 00:02:22,064 --> 00:02:25,104 Speaker 1: you pitched Saturday Night live segments. Frostgen comes up once 46 00:02:25,144 --> 00:02:25,664 Speaker 1: a week for me. 47 00:02:26,184 --> 00:02:29,064 Speaker 2: So Quinter Brunson was the host and the musical guest 48 00:02:29,104 --> 00:02:32,744 Speaker 2: on was Benson Boone. Now, usually the host will be 49 00:02:32,824 --> 00:02:35,584 Speaker 2: standing in the crowd when it's the music person's turn, 50 00:02:35,624 --> 00:02:38,344 Speaker 2: they'll be standing in the crowd and they introduced the 51 00:02:38,424 --> 00:02:41,704 Speaker 2: guest and then the camera panned to the stage right 52 00:02:41,744 --> 00:02:44,824 Speaker 2: and then the guest does their performance. However, it was 53 00:02:44,864 --> 00:02:48,304 Speaker 2: a bit different. Quinna was standing on the stage, she 54 00:02:48,464 --> 00:02:51,104 Speaker 2: introduced Benson Boone and then. 55 00:02:50,944 --> 00:02:53,584 Speaker 1: This man did a backflip over her. 56 00:02:55,224 --> 00:02:59,664 Speaker 2: And started serenading her on stage. So there's something about 57 00:02:59,704 --> 00:03:01,704 Speaker 2: men doing backflips and make me feel like they're not 58 00:03:01,744 --> 00:03:05,184 Speaker 2: trustworthy Jesus, because like, why do you have to be 59 00:03:05,264 --> 00:03:06,904 Speaker 2: up there for that long? 60 00:03:07,024 --> 00:03:08,544 Speaker 1: What are you trying to hide? What are you trying 61 00:03:08,584 --> 00:03:08,864 Speaker 1: to prove? 62 00:03:08,944 --> 00:03:12,544 Speaker 2: I actually found an article on Vulture about his backflips. 63 00:03:12,584 --> 00:03:15,024 Speaker 2: The headline was how many flips had Benson booth? 64 00:03:15,104 --> 00:03:15,944 Speaker 1: Do you want s now? 65 00:03:17,984 --> 00:03:20,024 Speaker 2: And I have to read this lineup because it's so funny. 66 00:03:20,064 --> 00:03:23,624 Speaker 2: It said before Benson boone Saturday Night Live debut, there 67 00:03:23,664 --> 00:03:25,344 Speaker 2: was one question on everyone's mind. 68 00:03:25,704 --> 00:03:28,784 Speaker 1: Is that motherfucker going to do a flip again? He 69 00:03:28,984 --> 00:03:31,744 Speaker 1: has to? Now? Can you imagine if you went and 70 00:03:31,784 --> 00:03:35,144 Speaker 1: saw Benson Boone live and he didn't blackflip? I demand 71 00:03:35,184 --> 00:03:36,184 Speaker 1: my freaking money back. 72 00:03:36,264 --> 00:03:36,464 Speaker 3: Yeah. 73 00:03:36,504 --> 00:03:39,024 Speaker 2: He did two all up though, So he did one 74 00:03:39,224 --> 00:03:41,944 Speaker 2: in the promo, yeah, and one on the actual performance. 75 00:03:42,104 --> 00:03:44,504 Speaker 1: That's the perfect amount if he'd gone for three too much, sir, 76 00:03:44,544 --> 00:03:44,944 Speaker 1: too much. 77 00:03:45,024 --> 00:03:48,704 Speaker 2: I actually looked up when he started flipping. Yeah, all 78 00:03:48,784 --> 00:03:51,984 Speaker 2: roads lead to can you guess who? No, Kody Perry? 79 00:03:52,064 --> 00:03:54,984 Speaker 1: Oh yes, because she was the one who did that 80 00:03:55,144 --> 00:03:58,264 Speaker 1: iconic line on well iconics all way to do it. 81 00:03:58,344 --> 00:04:00,384 Speaker 1: But it's become iconic because he gets played and played 82 00:04:00,384 --> 00:04:02,664 Speaker 1: and played because he was on American Idol when she 83 00:04:02,784 --> 00:04:04,824 Speaker 1: was a judge, right yea, And he came out and 84 00:04:04,864 --> 00:04:08,064 Speaker 1: he was he's so young, he looks like a different person. 85 00:04:08,184 --> 00:04:09,904 Speaker 1: He looks like a Toddlers. I'm not going to say 86 00:04:09,944 --> 00:04:12,944 Speaker 1: he's hot, but he came across very hot. And she 87 00:04:13,104 --> 00:04:16,904 Speaker 1: said that line or everyone's going to swoon for Benson Boone. Yeah, 88 00:04:16,944 --> 00:04:18,984 Speaker 1: it became like a thing. Well she wasn't wrong. It 89 00:04:19,104 --> 00:04:19,704 Speaker 1: was weird. 90 00:04:19,784 --> 00:04:21,544 Speaker 2: So it was like twenty twenty one when he did 91 00:04:21,584 --> 00:04:24,184 Speaker 2: his audition and she said that line and she said, 92 00:04:24,224 --> 00:04:26,424 Speaker 2: I see you winning American Idol if you want to, 93 00:04:26,624 --> 00:04:29,224 Speaker 2: And I feel like this is when he started figuring 94 00:04:29,264 --> 00:04:31,944 Speaker 2: out that he could flip, but he wasn't as confident 95 00:04:31,984 --> 00:04:33,304 Speaker 2: in the backflip. 96 00:04:32,864 --> 00:04:34,824 Speaker 1: So he used to do it. I can't believe I 97 00:04:34,824 --> 00:04:37,304 Speaker 1: know the history of Bens and Boone slipping. He used 98 00:04:37,304 --> 00:04:39,424 Speaker 1: to like do it in the backyard for his dad, right, 99 00:04:40,064 --> 00:04:45,344 Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I don't Why do I 100 00:04:45,504 --> 00:04:48,664 Speaker 1: know that information about life is not in my head? 101 00:04:48,824 --> 00:04:50,824 Speaker 1: That's weird that you know that I can't remember to 102 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:52,824 Speaker 1: register my car, but I know I can remember the 103 00:04:52,864 --> 00:04:55,264 Speaker 1: facts of like where Benson Boone learned to flip. And 104 00:04:55,304 --> 00:04:56,864 Speaker 1: he learned to do it in his backyard and like 105 00:04:56,904 --> 00:04:57,424 Speaker 1: a trempoline. 106 00:04:57,544 --> 00:04:59,984 Speaker 2: He started off with like a safety kind of well 107 00:04:59,984 --> 00:05:02,184 Speaker 2: like this is still beyond what most people can do, 108 00:05:02,384 --> 00:05:04,384 Speaker 2: but one of those like roundups, and then he actually 109 00:05:04,464 --> 00:05:06,984 Speaker 2: had his hands on the ground like a handstand flip, yeah. 110 00:05:06,784 --> 00:05:07,784 Speaker 1: Which is what he did. 111 00:05:08,064 --> 00:05:12,504 Speaker 2: After the audition of American when Katy Perry said, I 112 00:05:12,544 --> 00:05:14,624 Speaker 2: see you winning American Idol if you want to so 113 00:05:14,864 --> 00:05:17,144 Speaker 2: you know how now he can just stand and backflip. 114 00:05:17,504 --> 00:05:19,864 Speaker 1: Before you had to like a run up, so it. 115 00:05:19,824 --> 00:05:26,304 Speaker 2: Looked like he was running out of the room. 116 00:05:26,344 --> 00:05:28,984 Speaker 1: So terrified by Katie Perry. He was an early adopter. 117 00:05:29,664 --> 00:05:31,864 Speaker 2: It was like a sprint and then he did like 118 00:05:31,944 --> 00:05:33,784 Speaker 2: the flip. So he did like a front flip and 119 00:05:33,824 --> 00:05:36,264 Speaker 2: then a back flip and then kind of like how 120 00:05:36,344 --> 00:05:39,824 Speaker 2: gymnasts do where they like stand straight after it expecting 121 00:05:40,424 --> 00:05:42,824 Speaker 2: a round of a place. So he stands up straight 122 00:05:42,864 --> 00:05:47,264 Speaker 2: and then just like gleams, he gleams at the judges or. 123 00:05:47,304 --> 00:05:50,104 Speaker 1: Two of our freaking backflip. Okay, here's the thing. Just 124 00:05:50,144 --> 00:05:52,624 Speaker 1: speak honestly. Now, when he's up on stage and he's 125 00:05:52,624 --> 00:05:55,544 Speaker 1: singing beautiful things and he hits that really high note 126 00:05:55,544 --> 00:05:58,064 Speaker 1: and he throws his head back and he backflips off 127 00:05:58,064 --> 00:06:00,904 Speaker 1: the piano. Are you telling me you don't find that attractive? 128 00:06:01,224 --> 00:06:03,264 Speaker 2: I find it attractive, but it's not something that I 129 00:06:03,264 --> 00:06:03,984 Speaker 2: would dwell on. 130 00:06:05,504 --> 00:06:08,784 Speaker 1: I just think it's so hot when every time it 131 00:06:08,824 --> 00:06:10,944 Speaker 1: never gets old for me. Like I when I hear 132 00:06:10,984 --> 00:06:13,104 Speaker 1: that song start and I see him, like you can 133 00:06:13,104 --> 00:06:15,184 Speaker 1: tell when he's about he's about to do the flip, 134 00:06:15,224 --> 00:06:16,504 Speaker 1: I get excited every time. 135 00:06:16,664 --> 00:06:19,744 Speaker 2: There's just something so like untrustworthy about men who do that, 136 00:06:20,104 --> 00:06:21,704 Speaker 2: And I don't know that's because I dated someone who 137 00:06:21,744 --> 00:06:22,384 Speaker 2: could backflip. 138 00:06:22,504 --> 00:06:22,624 Speaker 3: Oh. 139 00:06:26,144 --> 00:06:27,144 Speaker 1: But I also. 140 00:06:26,944 --> 00:06:33,544 Speaker 2: Found that he actually hasn't. I found that he hasn't 141 00:06:33,544 --> 00:06:36,504 Speaker 2: commented exactly why he does the backflip. I saw an 142 00:06:36,544 --> 00:06:41,184 Speaker 2: interview on iHeartRadio jingle Ball where he was asked if 143 00:06:41,224 --> 00:06:44,944 Speaker 2: he's ever missed the mark yeah, and he says, so far, 144 00:06:45,064 --> 00:06:48,024 Speaker 2: I've hit it every time. There's you know, a couple 145 00:06:48,024 --> 00:06:51,024 Speaker 2: of times I've had it like landing that isn't my favorite, 146 00:06:51,344 --> 00:06:54,864 Speaker 2: but I've never once noticeably said, oh wow, that was 147 00:06:54,904 --> 00:06:57,504 Speaker 2: really bad. So I'm hoping that day doesn't come. But 148 00:06:57,624 --> 00:06:58,824 Speaker 2: so far it's been good. 149 00:06:58,984 --> 00:07:02,424 Speaker 1: That man's definitely going to break a bone on stage live, 150 00:07:02,624 --> 00:07:05,304 Speaker 1: like that's coming, and I've like mentally prepared myself for that. 151 00:07:05,984 --> 00:07:08,344 Speaker 1: Just the odds are against him because he's backflipping multiple 152 00:07:08,344 --> 00:07:09,784 Speaker 1: times a week, but he was like to have a 153 00:07:09,824 --> 00:07:12,064 Speaker 1: smooth lane. Can you imagine if the one time he 154 00:07:12,144 --> 00:07:15,744 Speaker 1: missed was when he was flipping over International treasure Quinter Bronson. 155 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:19,344 Speaker 1: Can you imagine she looks so calm. 156 00:07:19,504 --> 00:07:24,144 Speaker 2: I don't know, she's loving moment I took a screenshot. 157 00:07:23,584 --> 00:07:27,704 Speaker 1: Of the Wow, the screenshot I've ever taken. If you said, 158 00:07:27,984 --> 00:07:28,824 Speaker 1: one day you'll take a. 159 00:07:28,744 --> 00:07:32,944 Speaker 2: Screenshot of Benson Boone backslipping, I got Quinter Brunson on SML, 160 00:07:33,024 --> 00:07:34,784 Speaker 2: I would not believe you, And yet I've got that. 161 00:07:34,904 --> 00:07:37,024 Speaker 1: So I'd be fearing for my life because I'm so tall. 162 00:07:37,064 --> 00:07:38,824 Speaker 1: I'm like, he definitely smacked me in the head. But 163 00:07:38,864 --> 00:07:43,144 Speaker 1: she's she's very tiny. Yeah, got plenty on being small. Yeah. 164 00:07:43,344 --> 00:07:45,944 Speaker 2: So I feel like, yeah, they were good pairing. 165 00:07:46,024 --> 00:07:48,624 Speaker 1: I guess so they probably had Benson Boone on first, 166 00:07:48,664 --> 00:07:49,984 Speaker 1: and I'm like, now we need to find a tiny 167 00:07:50,464 --> 00:07:52,264 Speaker 1: so that he can backlim over him when we get 168 00:07:52,264 --> 00:07:54,304 Speaker 1: that past the legal day. So where did we end 169 00:07:54,344 --> 00:07:55,944 Speaker 1: on this? Do we like Benson Boone now? Or are 170 00:07:55,944 --> 00:07:58,024 Speaker 1: you off him? I like him if he stops the flip, 171 00:07:58,184 --> 00:08:00,704 Speaker 1: try something new? Oh, I mean, what could he possibly do? 172 00:08:00,824 --> 00:08:01,744 Speaker 1: Like a cartwell's not. 173 00:08:02,304 --> 00:08:04,584 Speaker 2: I don't want to need gymnastics. 174 00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:08,224 Speaker 1: No, gymnastics seems wild and your damn songs. Oh no, 175 00:08:08,304 --> 00:08:09,584 Speaker 1: I want to say. I'm just gonna he can keep 176 00:08:09,624 --> 00:08:13,144 Speaker 1: the onesie. Yeah, the glittery onesie is hot. No, I 177 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:15,304 Speaker 1: need that man to keep that clipping the moment he stops, 178 00:08:15,304 --> 00:08:17,664 Speaker 1: I'm out of the fandom. 179 00:08:18,344 --> 00:08:22,624 Speaker 2: So Walton Goggins is back in headlines. I'm sure he's 180 00:08:22,624 --> 00:08:25,904 Speaker 2: not very happy with this. We have talked about him 181 00:08:26,064 --> 00:08:29,424 Speaker 2: for a while now. We've talked about the hotness that 182 00:08:29,464 --> 00:08:32,384 Speaker 2: he became, and then there's down he became and in 183 00:08:32,384 --> 00:08:34,704 Speaker 2: a bit of a downfall when he allegedly cheated on 184 00:08:34,784 --> 00:08:36,424 Speaker 2: his wife with Amy lou. 185 00:08:36,464 --> 00:08:37,864 Speaker 1: I'm massive allegedly in front of that. 186 00:08:39,344 --> 00:08:39,984 Speaker 2: Completely. 187 00:08:40,064 --> 00:08:42,584 Speaker 1: The more we find out, the more I'm starting to 188 00:08:42,624 --> 00:08:44,104 Speaker 1: believe that could potentially be true. 189 00:08:44,184 --> 00:08:47,704 Speaker 2: So to quickly recap everything that went down. He starred 190 00:08:47,784 --> 00:08:50,024 Speaker 2: in the latest season on The White Loatus. His on 191 00:08:50,224 --> 00:08:54,344 Speaker 2: screen lover was Amy Lou Wood, and from the start 192 00:08:54,384 --> 00:08:57,704 Speaker 2: of the promo bandwagon of the last season, it seemed 193 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:00,664 Speaker 2: like that they really really liked and respected each other. 194 00:09:01,024 --> 00:09:03,424 Speaker 2: They were always talking about each other in interviews. They 195 00:09:03,464 --> 00:09:06,784 Speaker 2: were always commenting on each other's Instagram accounts. One comment 196 00:09:06,824 --> 00:09:09,184 Speaker 2: in particular he left on her Instagram account was you 197 00:09:09,224 --> 00:09:11,824 Speaker 2: are the brightest slide in every room. A human's human 198 00:09:12,064 --> 00:09:16,224 Speaker 2: missed you, followed by two foxmojis, Oh, I'm very very sweet. 199 00:09:16,504 --> 00:09:20,304 Speaker 2: And then he did something that I'm sure a lot 200 00:09:20,384 --> 00:09:22,664 Speaker 2: of men his age would do is that he didn't 201 00:09:22,704 --> 00:09:23,664 Speaker 2: know how to use Instagram. 202 00:09:23,784 --> 00:09:26,744 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it seemed. 203 00:09:26,384 --> 00:09:29,384 Speaker 2: Like he blocked her on Instagram because all of a 204 00:09:29,384 --> 00:09:32,104 Speaker 2: sudden they weren't following each other on Instagram. You could 205 00:09:32,104 --> 00:09:35,024 Speaker 2: see this in the back end. And also all of 206 00:09:35,064 --> 00:09:41,184 Speaker 2: his comments on her Instagram completely disappeared, So it seemed 207 00:09:41,184 --> 00:09:43,224 Speaker 2: a bit off. There were a lot of roomor spiraling, 208 00:09:43,384 --> 00:09:46,504 Speaker 2: especially with allegations that he may have had an affair, 209 00:09:47,144 --> 00:09:50,784 Speaker 2: mainly because they've stopped talking about each other in press interviews. 210 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:53,104 Speaker 2: It felt like it got really weird between them, and 211 00:09:53,184 --> 00:09:56,104 Speaker 2: also he was overly gushy on the Instagram post his 212 00:09:56,264 --> 00:09:58,304 Speaker 2: wife was posting yes. 213 00:09:58,544 --> 00:10:01,064 Speaker 1: And what people think happened is that his wife found 214 00:10:01,064 --> 00:10:04,064 Speaker 1: out that something had happened and that she said to him, 215 00:10:04,104 --> 00:10:06,944 Speaker 1: you have to block and unfollow her, and so he 216 00:10:06,984 --> 00:10:09,504 Speaker 1: did that, even though I'm sure anyone like his if 217 00:10:09,504 --> 00:10:12,224 Speaker 1: he talked to anyone who Publicist's team, anyone, they would 218 00:10:12,264 --> 00:10:14,304 Speaker 1: have said, that's going to be a massive red flag 219 00:10:14,344 --> 00:10:16,504 Speaker 1: to people. Why don't you just mute her for now? 220 00:10:16,704 --> 00:10:19,424 Speaker 1: But I think the situation had already escalated so much 221 00:10:19,424 --> 00:10:21,144 Speaker 1: behind the scenes that it had to be a block 222 00:10:21,184 --> 00:10:23,144 Speaker 1: and unfollow So. 223 00:10:23,504 --> 00:10:27,664 Speaker 2: Recently he did a profile with The Sunday Times and 224 00:10:27,944 --> 00:10:29,824 Speaker 2: he was asked about. 225 00:10:29,664 --> 00:10:31,664 Speaker 1: Because it's the first time he's done any kind of 226 00:10:31,744 --> 00:10:35,384 Speaker 1: real press since White LOADUS Season three wrapped, because he 227 00:10:35,424 --> 00:10:37,984 Speaker 1: didn't do a lot of those big press circuits of 228 00:10:38,024 --> 00:10:40,024 Speaker 1: the rest of the cast did after the show. You know, 229 00:10:40,064 --> 00:10:41,584 Speaker 1: some of them came to Australia. We had them on 230 00:10:41,584 --> 00:10:43,264 Speaker 1: the pod, but they were also doing all these big 231 00:10:43,304 --> 00:10:46,704 Speaker 1: international junkets and red carpets and like celebrating the end 232 00:10:46,704 --> 00:10:48,664 Speaker 1: of the series because I could finally talk about it. 233 00:10:48,864 --> 00:10:50,984 Speaker 1: And he also was one of the few cast members, 234 00:10:51,024 --> 00:10:53,064 Speaker 1: I think, like the only main cast member who didn't 235 00:10:53,104 --> 00:10:55,464 Speaker 1: go to the big finale party and do all the 236 00:10:55,504 --> 00:10:57,664 Speaker 1: press around that. And when Amy Lee Wood was asked 237 00:10:57,704 --> 00:11:00,384 Speaker 1: about it, she had a very diplomatic answer. She kind 238 00:11:00,384 --> 00:11:02,944 Speaker 1: of sidestepped and talked about the fact that it was 239 00:11:03,104 --> 00:11:05,064 Speaker 1: very his character of him not to show up, with 240 00:11:05,224 --> 00:11:07,664 Speaker 1: very of her character. She's like, it's so Chelsea and 241 00:11:07,784 --> 00:11:09,664 Speaker 1: Rick that he's not here, and I am That's all 242 00:11:09,664 --> 00:11:11,504 Speaker 1: she said about it. There hasn't been an opportunity to 243 00:11:11,544 --> 00:11:12,544 Speaker 1: ask him until now. 244 00:11:12,824 --> 00:11:15,624 Speaker 2: Until now, which they did ask and he just said, 245 00:11:15,864 --> 00:11:18,544 Speaker 2: I'm not going to have that conversation. And then this 246 00:11:18,624 --> 00:11:21,424 Speaker 2: publicier said we're not going there, thank you, and the 247 00:11:21,504 --> 00:11:23,384 Speaker 2: other publishers said, next question. 248 00:11:23,984 --> 00:11:25,744 Speaker 1: Yes, because when you're at those kind of things, you 249 00:11:25,784 --> 00:11:28,624 Speaker 1: have multiple publicists and sometimes she's got a British one 250 00:11:28,624 --> 00:11:30,304 Speaker 1: and an American one. From what I can say, because 251 00:11:30,304 --> 00:11:31,864 Speaker 1: you have the publicist that comes with you and also 252 00:11:31,904 --> 00:11:33,824 Speaker 1: the publicist who's on the ground for the interview. It's 253 00:11:33,824 --> 00:11:36,064 Speaker 1: the whole situation. Every time you hear what of my interviews, 254 00:11:36,104 --> 00:11:37,064 Speaker 1: just know there's fifteen. 255 00:11:36,824 --> 00:11:40,184 Speaker 2: People publicists one maybe. 256 00:11:41,944 --> 00:11:45,864 Speaker 1: Or just one one even part time, so completely. 257 00:11:45,384 --> 00:11:48,024 Speaker 2: Shut down any questions about Amy Leewood is what it 258 00:11:48,064 --> 00:11:52,344 Speaker 2: looked like from the profile, and then a little messy 259 00:11:52,384 --> 00:11:54,464 Speaker 2: bitch would we like to call checks? 260 00:11:55,184 --> 00:11:57,624 Speaker 1: But before we get to that bit, he walked out 261 00:11:57,664 --> 00:12:00,184 Speaker 1: of the interview, right did he walk out? He walked out? 262 00:12:00,704 --> 00:12:03,064 Speaker 1: I did not know he walked out. Yes, So Jonals 263 00:12:03,144 --> 00:12:05,824 Speaker 1: kept asking and he said, what the fuck is this? 264 00:12:06,184 --> 00:12:08,184 Speaker 1: And then the publicist said we're just going to end 265 00:12:08,224 --> 00:12:10,784 Speaker 1: it there, and then they kind of just all ended. 266 00:12:10,904 --> 00:12:12,904 Speaker 2: Ah, but the whole interview was so nice. 267 00:12:12,984 --> 00:12:14,384 Speaker 1: Well, I think because they did that. That's the thing. 268 00:12:14,384 --> 00:12:16,304 Speaker 1: If you're gonna ask a question like that. You always 269 00:12:16,384 --> 00:12:18,144 Speaker 1: do it at the end, Like, first of all, you 270 00:12:18,184 --> 00:12:20,264 Speaker 1: get the leading question, especial if you know it's going 271 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:21,104 Speaker 1: to be would. 272 00:12:20,864 --> 00:12:23,264 Speaker 2: You do a question where you know someone's gonna walk out? 273 00:12:23,344 --> 00:12:24,984 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do it at the end. Well, obviously 274 00:12:24,984 --> 00:12:26,504 Speaker 1: you don't want someone to walk out. But the thing is, 275 00:12:26,544 --> 00:12:28,984 Speaker 1: like that journalist can't sit down for the first interview 276 00:12:29,024 --> 00:12:31,464 Speaker 1: with Walter Gogut and the whole thing has happen not 277 00:12:31,544 --> 00:12:33,424 Speaker 1: ask it. So at the top you ask like about 278 00:12:33,424 --> 00:12:36,264 Speaker 1: their project, which is why they're doing the interview, and 279 00:12:36,344 --> 00:12:37,984 Speaker 1: you set it all up and you get that ticked 280 00:12:37,984 --> 00:12:40,104 Speaker 1: off because then everyone in the room relaxes, and then 281 00:12:40,144 --> 00:12:42,104 Speaker 1: you start to do the kind of more personal probing 282 00:12:42,184 --> 00:12:44,624 Speaker 1: questions and then you ask them the biggest one at 283 00:12:44,624 --> 00:12:46,824 Speaker 1: the end, just in case they walk out, and then 284 00:12:46,824 --> 00:12:49,224 Speaker 1: you've already got the interview. And then he did walk out, 285 00:12:49,224 --> 00:12:49,984 Speaker 1: and he did walk out. 286 00:12:50,024 --> 00:12:52,744 Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't you think like if they walk out, 287 00:12:52,904 --> 00:12:55,024 Speaker 2: they know that's just going to be the headline everywhere 288 00:12:55,024 --> 00:12:58,064 Speaker 2: else because obviously all the other publications see that one 289 00:12:58,184 --> 00:13:01,304 Speaker 2: interview and they'll just pull out the biggest thing from it. 290 00:13:01,544 --> 00:13:01,784 Speaker 3: Yeah. 291 00:13:01,904 --> 00:13:03,864 Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's hard because I'm sure they had 292 00:13:03,904 --> 00:13:06,024 Speaker 1: gone into the interview, like you get a list of 293 00:13:06,064 --> 00:13:09,224 Speaker 1: no go areas before you do an interview, and usually 294 00:13:09,224 --> 00:13:11,064 Speaker 1: they kind of find they're like, don't the talent about 295 00:13:11,104 --> 00:13:13,144 Speaker 1: like their politics or something like that. And I think 296 00:13:13,184 --> 00:13:15,664 Speaker 1: a lot of journalists, like myself included, stick to that 297 00:13:15,704 --> 00:13:17,184 Speaker 1: because you're like, well, if they don't talk about it, 298 00:13:17,184 --> 00:13:18,304 Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask them about it. But this 299 00:13:18,344 --> 00:13:21,064 Speaker 1: has been such a huge story in the headlines, like 300 00:13:21,104 --> 00:13:23,544 Speaker 1: you can't not ask him. But yeah, I thought it 301 00:13:23,544 --> 00:13:25,424 Speaker 1: was interesting that both the publicists are trying to shut 302 00:13:25,424 --> 00:13:27,424 Speaker 1: it down that eventually he's like, come on, man, what 303 00:13:27,584 --> 00:13:29,824 Speaker 1: is this and then they've just ended. 304 00:13:29,584 --> 00:13:31,624 Speaker 2: It, which to me, I would hate to make well 305 00:13:31,664 --> 00:13:32,984 Speaker 2: to be a guess. 306 00:13:33,984 --> 00:13:35,584 Speaker 1: You would have just been like, ask you anything you 307 00:13:35,584 --> 00:13:37,704 Speaker 1: want me to, don't worry about I'm sure she's away, 308 00:13:39,544 --> 00:13:41,784 Speaker 1: but a proper journalists can't do that. Not that you're 309 00:13:41,824 --> 00:13:43,544 Speaker 1: not great to me, this has been like one of 310 00:13:43,544 --> 00:13:46,504 Speaker 1: the biggest red flags that something really big has happened 311 00:13:46,504 --> 00:13:48,544 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, And I always kind of thought it 312 00:13:48,704 --> 00:13:51,504 Speaker 1: was because the thing is if nothing happened, especially with 313 00:13:51,664 --> 00:13:53,864 Speaker 1: like Ami Lee Wood, because she's so online, like she's 314 00:13:53,904 --> 00:13:56,224 Speaker 1: on Instagram, she's sharing everything she's commenting on things, like 315 00:13:56,264 --> 00:13:59,064 Speaker 1: she's really across what's being said, and she would have 316 00:13:59,104 --> 00:14:01,664 Speaker 1: been so aware what people were saying, so if she 317 00:14:01,784 --> 00:14:04,024 Speaker 1: wanted to. It's almost like they don't worry darling stuff. 318 00:14:04,064 --> 00:14:06,384 Speaker 1: If they wanted to shut that down, they could have, 319 00:14:06,584 --> 00:14:09,464 Speaker 1: but they chose. Obviously whatever happened was so huge they 320 00:14:09,584 --> 00:14:11,824 Speaker 1: didn't want to shut it down the public. They wouldn't 321 00:14:11,824 --> 00:14:14,344 Speaker 1: even go and lie because like you could lie. These 322 00:14:14,344 --> 00:14:16,664 Speaker 1: are actors, so many actors who hate each other pretend 323 00:14:16,664 --> 00:14:18,704 Speaker 1: to love each other on press tours. They could have 324 00:14:18,744 --> 00:14:20,744 Speaker 1: just kept following each other. They could have post together 325 00:14:20,784 --> 00:14:22,464 Speaker 1: for like one photo, you know what I mean, Like 326 00:14:22,504 --> 00:14:24,704 Speaker 1: they could have really shut this down. The fact that 327 00:14:24,744 --> 00:14:27,984 Speaker 1: they didn't goes to show that it's beyond repair behind 328 00:14:27,984 --> 00:14:30,144 Speaker 1: the scenes, like they can't even ham it up for 329 00:14:30,184 --> 00:14:31,784 Speaker 1: the cameras, which usually actors do. 330 00:14:32,144 --> 00:14:33,904 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So what's gonna happen next? 331 00:14:34,144 --> 00:14:36,224 Speaker 1: Well, I guess they're not working together anymore, so it's fine, 332 00:14:36,264 --> 00:14:38,064 Speaker 1: Like they'll probably just get asked about it a few times, 333 00:14:38,064 --> 00:14:39,824 Speaker 1: but it'll be like they don't worry darling stuff. We 334 00:14:39,864 --> 00:14:41,904 Speaker 1: won't know, but yes, back to our messy friend. So 335 00:14:42,024 --> 00:14:45,304 Speaker 1: it's not to Segway off that our messy friend people 336 00:14:45,304 --> 00:14:48,744 Speaker 1: started looking for a white lotus hued when Jason Isaacs, 337 00:14:48,744 --> 00:14:52,424 Speaker 1: who plays Timothy Ratliffe on the show The I feel 338 00:14:52,424 --> 00:14:53,944 Speaker 1: like people always say, like, oh, the dad of the 339 00:14:53,984 --> 00:14:57,064 Speaker 1: incest brothers, which is nice, they drugged up dad, the 340 00:14:57,184 --> 00:14:59,304 Speaker 1: drugged up dad who did something terribly wrong that we 341 00:14:59,344 --> 00:15:02,424 Speaker 1: don't know. Yes. So he gave a lot of different 342 00:15:02,464 --> 00:15:06,024 Speaker 1: interviews during the show's run, and at one point he 343 00:15:06,144 --> 00:15:08,224 Speaker 1: gave what's become like quite a viral quote where he 344 00:15:08,264 --> 00:15:10,464 Speaker 1: talks about like they were all in this intense film 345 00:15:10,624 --> 00:15:13,344 Speaker 1: situation and everything was so full on, and he's like 346 00:15:13,384 --> 00:15:16,344 Speaker 1: friendships were made and friendships were lost and all this 347 00:15:16,504 --> 00:15:18,424 Speaker 1: sort of stuff, which you and I thought it was 348 00:15:18,504 --> 00:15:20,944 Speaker 1: hilarious at the time because he just didn't need to 349 00:15:20,984 --> 00:15:23,864 Speaker 1: go there. Absolutely, but he loves the drama. He loves 350 00:15:23,984 --> 00:15:25,224 Speaker 1: getting in the mix, and. 351 00:15:25,184 --> 00:15:27,224 Speaker 2: So clear that he loves it because he's like, not 352 00:15:27,344 --> 00:15:28,464 Speaker 2: as heavily involved. 353 00:15:29,984 --> 00:15:32,504 Speaker 1: He's got nothing to lose. I'll tell you guys what happened. Yeah, 354 00:15:32,544 --> 00:15:34,464 Speaker 1: it's like you tried feel mysterious about whether he was 355 00:15:34,504 --> 00:15:36,664 Speaker 1: wearing a prosthetic or not when they did the penis shot, 356 00:15:36,704 --> 00:15:38,384 Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't think I should be asked 357 00:15:38,424 --> 00:15:41,344 Speaker 1: about that. No one's asking Mikey Madison Rah And then 358 00:15:41,384 --> 00:15:43,264 Speaker 1: his kids were like kids on the show were just like, 359 00:15:43,344 --> 00:15:45,144 Speaker 1: yeah he did. It's not a big deal. But he's 360 00:15:45,184 --> 00:15:47,504 Speaker 1: like trying to cause the drama right anyway, So that 361 00:15:47,544 --> 00:15:51,464 Speaker 1: all happened. So when this is all unfolding, Jason Isaacs, 362 00:15:51,464 --> 00:15:54,784 Speaker 1: who's the real Jason Isaacs on Instagram posted a photo 363 00:15:54,984 --> 00:15:57,784 Speaker 1: with Walter Goggins where they had bumped into each other 364 00:15:57,864 --> 00:16:01,424 Speaker 1: at the airport, and Jason Isaacs has snapped a selfie 365 00:16:01,744 --> 00:16:04,384 Speaker 1: of the two brothers hugging it out, and his caption says, 366 00:16:04,904 --> 00:16:07,744 Speaker 1: guess who I saw at the airport? Hey all, you 367 00:16:07,944 --> 00:16:11,504 Speaker 1: genius Internet sleuths, this looked like a few to you 368 00:16:11,664 --> 00:16:16,784 Speaker 1: question mark exclamation mark, exclamation mark, and then hashtag Rick's 369 00:16:16,824 --> 00:16:21,704 Speaker 1: alive exclamation mark, exclamation mark, exclamation mark. Oh my god, 370 00:16:22,344 --> 00:16:24,904 Speaker 1: here's the thing, Jason Isaacs, no one thought you were 371 00:16:24,904 --> 00:16:29,944 Speaker 1: involved in the feud, you messy, messy bitch. No one 372 00:16:30,024 --> 00:16:33,024 Speaker 1: needed you to clear up a rumor. I cannot state 373 00:16:33,064 --> 00:16:35,704 Speaker 1: how much you were not involved in this. The only 374 00:16:35,784 --> 00:16:38,584 Speaker 1: reason we've said your name is because you keep giving 375 00:16:38,704 --> 00:16:41,064 Speaker 1: interviews where no one asked you if there was a 376 00:16:41,104 --> 00:16:44,184 Speaker 1: feud when you first gave that interview talking about friendships 377 00:16:44,224 --> 00:16:47,024 Speaker 1: being lost. You brought it up. You keep bringing it up. 378 00:16:47,344 --> 00:16:49,824 Speaker 1: Now you're posting photos to say that you're not fighting 379 00:16:49,824 --> 00:16:52,744 Speaker 1: with Walter Goggins. No one thought you was. We do 380 00:16:53,024 --> 00:16:53,864 Speaker 1: so much was. 381 00:16:54,344 --> 00:16:57,424 Speaker 2: I just know when Jason asked Walton for a selfhie, 382 00:16:57,464 --> 00:16:58,984 Speaker 2: Walton would have been like, oh, fuck man. 383 00:16:59,304 --> 00:17:02,664 Speaker 1: He was definitely the airport and he's like, fuck, that's 384 00:17:02,664 --> 00:17:05,664 Speaker 1: fucking Jason Isaacs. That's why he's got his sunglasses on 385 00:17:05,704 --> 00:17:07,704 Speaker 1: in the photo. He was obviously trying to like slip 386 00:17:07,704 --> 00:17:10,104 Speaker 1: past it. And then all of a sudden Jason was like, 387 00:17:10,144 --> 00:17:12,384 Speaker 1: well Walton, hey man, Hey, how are you? And he 388 00:17:12,424 --> 00:17:12,904 Speaker 1: was like hey. 389 00:17:13,744 --> 00:17:16,304 Speaker 2: The also funny thing about this is that there's a 390 00:17:16,344 --> 00:17:19,864 Speaker 2: lot of controversy with Duke University, Yeah and the White 391 00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:24,944 Speaker 2: Lotus because Timothy Ratliffe wears a Duke University shirt in 392 00:17:24,984 --> 00:17:27,864 Speaker 2: the season, and Duke University was like, we don't want 393 00:17:27,864 --> 00:17:30,864 Speaker 2: to be connected to this character, like it's such a 394 00:17:30,904 --> 00:17:34,424 Speaker 2: bad representation of our university. And in the post with 395 00:17:34,544 --> 00:17:38,584 Speaker 2: Walton Goggins with that like fucked up caption, he tags 396 00:17:38,664 --> 00:17:39,304 Speaker 2: the Duke. 397 00:17:42,024 --> 00:17:43,664 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I had not picked that up. I 398 00:17:43,704 --> 00:17:45,344 Speaker 1: was so stressed about the caption. 399 00:17:47,704 --> 00:17:48,384 Speaker 2: Unprovoked. 400 00:17:48,744 --> 00:17:51,184 Speaker 1: Yeah no, he said after the show, because apparently Duke 401 00:17:51,264 --> 00:17:54,464 Speaker 1: University was like, can this man who's a terrible character 402 00:17:54,704 --> 00:17:57,624 Speaker 1: stop wearing our Duke merch on the show. Obviously the 403 00:17:57,624 --> 00:17:59,784 Speaker 1: shoulder had been filmed, and he's like, this is I mean, 404 00:17:59,824 --> 00:18:03,704 Speaker 1: he's so messy. He just lives for like a tabloid headline. 405 00:18:03,744 --> 00:18:05,584 Speaker 1: And he said after the show finished that he was 406 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:09,144 Speaker 1: going to keep wearing the Duke merchandise just to like 407 00:18:09,264 --> 00:18:11,984 Speaker 1: mess with the university because they commented on it. So 408 00:18:12,064 --> 00:18:15,464 Speaker 1: now he's tagging them in his posts. Fuck, it's oh 409 00:18:15,584 --> 00:18:18,704 Speaker 1: my god. That imagine being that messy and also imagine 410 00:18:18,704 --> 00:18:23,264 Speaker 1: thinking that women are out here causing drama when Jason Isaacs, 411 00:18:23,304 --> 00:18:26,864 Speaker 1: all gossip leads back to Jason Isaacs, like all backflips 412 00:18:26,904 --> 00:18:30,904 Speaker 1: leap back to Katie Perry to Jason isa I was 413 00:18:30,944 --> 00:18:32,384 Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever get an answer on that 414 00:18:32,424 --> 00:18:34,984 Speaker 1: Amy Lee Wood or will to Googgan situation. But I 415 00:18:35,024 --> 00:18:37,704 Speaker 1: think this has kind of just made it just really escalated, Tea, 416 00:18:37,824 --> 00:18:39,824 Speaker 1: And this is the first time we really know that 417 00:18:39,864 --> 00:18:45,784 Speaker 1: whatever happened is irreparable so at the moment, Blake Lively 418 00:18:46,064 --> 00:18:48,464 Speaker 1: is on the promo tour for her new movie Another 419 00:18:48,544 --> 00:18:51,584 Speaker 1: Simple Favor, which is out on Prime Video now, which 420 00:18:51,624 --> 00:18:54,024 Speaker 1: means she's had to give her first sit down interview 421 00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:58,504 Speaker 1: since that whole legal situation with Justin Baldoni blew up 422 00:18:58,544 --> 00:19:00,504 Speaker 1: and they're you know, they're going to court in over 423 00:19:00,544 --> 00:19:02,584 Speaker 1: a year. There's a lot happening there. But first of all, 424 00:19:02,624 --> 00:19:04,344 Speaker 1: we actually haven't had this conversation because you and I 425 00:19:04,384 --> 00:19:07,384 Speaker 1: went to the Oh wow, you're really like smiling intensely 426 00:19:07,424 --> 00:19:09,424 Speaker 1: at me. You and I went to the premiere of 427 00:19:09,544 --> 00:19:13,264 Speaker 1: Blake's new movie, well, the Australian screening, the Australian screen 428 00:19:13,464 --> 00:19:15,224 Speaker 1: I'll knock it down if you makes there's some good 429 00:19:15,224 --> 00:19:18,944 Speaker 1: cocktails there of Another Simple Favor, which stars Blake Clavely 430 00:19:18,984 --> 00:19:21,744 Speaker 1: and Anna Kendrake. Shout out to like the fifteen spillers 431 00:19:21,744 --> 00:19:23,784 Speaker 1: who messaged me on Friday night because I told everyone 432 00:19:23,784 --> 00:19:25,464 Speaker 1: to watch it on Friday night. It felt like a 433 00:19:25,464 --> 00:19:27,824 Speaker 1: Friday night movie. So I was getting all these messages 434 00:19:27,864 --> 00:19:30,064 Speaker 1: from spillers as they were watching it with their thoughts, 435 00:19:30,104 --> 00:19:32,384 Speaker 1: like we're all having a communal viewing experience. It was 436 00:19:32,464 --> 00:19:34,664 Speaker 1: very cute. So you and I went to the screening together, 437 00:19:34,704 --> 00:19:37,584 Speaker 1: but we sat at separate ends of the whole role 438 00:19:37,624 --> 00:19:39,984 Speaker 1: of mommea. Stuff that was there was like basically us 439 00:19:39,984 --> 00:19:41,904 Speaker 1: at the premiere. Then you went off to Perth and 440 00:19:41,904 --> 00:19:44,504 Speaker 1: we haven't talked about it, but I could hear a 441 00:19:44,704 --> 00:19:48,464 Speaker 1: very distinct like squealing and laughing during the movie, and 442 00:19:48,504 --> 00:19:49,944 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't even have to look over, 443 00:19:50,024 --> 00:19:50,984 Speaker 1: I just know that's Emily. 444 00:19:51,064 --> 00:19:52,704 Speaker 2: I was laughing a lot in the movie. So you 445 00:19:53,064 --> 00:19:55,384 Speaker 2: loved it, No, I hated it. What I thought it 446 00:19:55,384 --> 00:19:56,824 Speaker 2: was one of the worst movies I've ever saying. 447 00:19:57,024 --> 00:19:58,944 Speaker 1: You were laughing at it. I was laughing at it. 448 00:19:59,144 --> 00:20:02,024 Speaker 1: Blake Clavely was not in underjoke. You didn't think it 449 00:20:02,064 --> 00:20:04,344 Speaker 1: was just fun and silly and entertaining, and the clothes 450 00:20:04,384 --> 00:20:05,264 Speaker 1: were weird and. 451 00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:09,664 Speaker 2: They absolutely leaned so hard into I guess the critiques 452 00:20:09,704 --> 00:20:11,664 Speaker 2: of the first which is what I liked. I thought 453 00:20:11,704 --> 00:20:13,904 Speaker 2: that was very clever and also very brave thing to do, 454 00:20:14,224 --> 00:20:16,784 Speaker 2: very brave. But I just don't think it was a 455 00:20:16,784 --> 00:20:17,464 Speaker 2: good movie. 456 00:20:17,624 --> 00:20:19,704 Speaker 1: I just thought it was apologies, Well, you should have 457 00:20:19,744 --> 00:20:21,304 Speaker 1: been here last week because I told all the spillers 458 00:20:21,344 --> 00:20:22,264 Speaker 1: to watch it and they did. 459 00:20:22,504 --> 00:20:24,944 Speaker 2: It is yeah, I wouldn't. I haven't told anyone to 460 00:20:25,064 --> 00:20:27,704 Speaker 2: not watch it because I feel like it's very up 461 00:20:27,784 --> 00:20:31,264 Speaker 2: to your taste. But I just hated it. There wasn't 462 00:20:31,304 --> 00:20:31,944 Speaker 2: a thing about it. 463 00:20:33,104 --> 00:20:35,744 Speaker 1: You didn't think it joy part of it one miner 464 00:20:36,104 --> 00:20:40,944 Speaker 1: or just like I regret really Okay, wow, Well I 465 00:20:40,984 --> 00:20:42,864 Speaker 1: thought it was a fun time. I thought it was 466 00:20:42,904 --> 00:20:44,464 Speaker 1: exactly what it sailed. It was like, it did what 467 00:20:44,464 --> 00:20:45,944 Speaker 1: it's sad on the tin. It was just like a 468 00:20:45,984 --> 00:20:47,024 Speaker 1: fun little sequel. 469 00:20:47,304 --> 00:20:49,304 Speaker 2: It did what it only did said on the tin. 470 00:20:49,784 --> 00:20:52,344 Speaker 1: It was that was it. Okay, Well I'm glad. 471 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:54,944 Speaker 2: Okay, just so I was actually like, I remember before 472 00:20:54,944 --> 00:20:56,704 Speaker 2: we watched it, I was like, oh, this would have 473 00:20:56,704 --> 00:20:58,944 Speaker 2: been lovely to watch in a cinema because it's out 474 00:20:59,224 --> 00:20:59,984 Speaker 2: on streaming only. 475 00:21:00,024 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 1: Yeah. 476 00:21:00,224 --> 00:21:02,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, like this would have been a lovely cinematic experience 477 00:21:02,664 --> 00:21:04,944 Speaker 2: because it's like because we saw it, it's beautiful. And 478 00:21:04,944 --> 00:21:06,344 Speaker 2: then I watched it and I was like, oh, that's 479 00:21:06,384 --> 00:21:08,224 Speaker 2: why it's not going to be in cinema. 480 00:21:08,344 --> 00:21:10,344 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I stick my. 481 00:21:10,344 --> 00:21:12,464 Speaker 2: I think going from Sinners to this was a bad 482 00:21:12,504 --> 00:21:13,224 Speaker 2: move on my part. 483 00:21:13,544 --> 00:21:15,064 Speaker 1: Yeah. No one's saying they're the same. 484 00:21:14,904 --> 00:21:17,064 Speaker 2: Movie, but I think I should have watched something in 485 00:21:17,104 --> 00:21:18,344 Speaker 2: between to cleanse my pilot. 486 00:21:18,424 --> 00:21:20,984 Speaker 1: Okay, I mean again, this is why I tell people 487 00:21:21,024 --> 00:21:22,864 Speaker 1: this is like a fun Friday night movie, Like you're 488 00:21:22,864 --> 00:21:24,704 Speaker 1: stressed from the week on the couch, you can look 489 00:21:24,704 --> 00:21:28,304 Speaker 1: at your phone a lot of movies. I'm glad I 490 00:21:28,384 --> 00:21:29,704 Speaker 1: got that out of the way, and I'm also glad 491 00:21:29,744 --> 00:21:32,544 Speaker 1: that Blake Lively didn't hear it. It makes sense stressful 492 00:21:32,664 --> 00:21:33,024 Speaker 1: she had. 493 00:21:32,944 --> 00:21:35,104 Speaker 2: To do this interview because she an institute promo for 494 00:21:35,184 --> 00:21:35,744 Speaker 2: this movie. 495 00:21:35,784 --> 00:21:37,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they have really cut back on 496 00:21:37,624 --> 00:21:39,944 Speaker 1: the promo. So usually from a movie like this, I 497 00:21:39,984 --> 00:21:41,784 Speaker 1: think like Blake and Anna would really be on the 498 00:21:41,784 --> 00:21:45,184 Speaker 1: press tour doing like mad covers and lots of different 499 00:21:45,184 --> 00:21:48,864 Speaker 1: interviews to their dynamic together. Yeah, I haven't seen them 500 00:21:48,904 --> 00:21:51,104 Speaker 1: really do any kind of junkets or anything like that 501 00:21:51,144 --> 00:21:53,024 Speaker 1: together as they normally would. So Mum and me, I 502 00:21:53,104 --> 00:21:56,624 Speaker 1: interviewed Henry Golding Love he's great in this movie, who's 503 00:21:56,664 --> 00:21:58,864 Speaker 1: one of the stars in the movie. And Paul Fike, 504 00:21:58,904 --> 00:22:01,344 Speaker 1: who's the creative director writer behind the movie. So we 505 00:22:01,424 --> 00:22:03,784 Speaker 1: interviewed them along with a lot of other outlets. But 506 00:22:04,064 --> 00:22:06,104 Speaker 1: the Anna Blake interview, as far as I can tell, 507 00:22:06,144 --> 00:22:08,664 Speaker 1: for most people, wasn't on the table, and they've been 508 00:22:08,744 --> 00:22:11,504 Speaker 1: like walking red carpets and everything. But I think all 509 00:22:11,504 --> 00:22:13,784 Speaker 1: the right carpet reporters have been told, you know, don't 510 00:22:13,784 --> 00:22:15,864 Speaker 1: ask about any of the legal stuff, which is fair enough. 511 00:22:16,144 --> 00:22:18,944 Speaker 1: So she did her one big TV sit down interview 512 00:22:18,944 --> 00:22:21,744 Speaker 1: which would have been a contractual obligation for the movie, 513 00:22:21,784 --> 00:22:24,344 Speaker 1: which I guess would have been all set up before 514 00:22:24,864 --> 00:22:27,624 Speaker 1: this whole thing blew up, And she did with Seth Meyers, 515 00:22:27,664 --> 00:22:30,784 Speaker 1: which I think was a really interesting choice because he's 516 00:22:31,104 --> 00:22:33,504 Speaker 1: known to you know, be like quite friendly with the 517 00:22:33,584 --> 00:22:35,544 Speaker 1: celebs and like not he's not like a heart in 518 00:22:35,584 --> 00:22:37,904 Speaker 1: the interview. He's one of their friends. Yeah, it's kind 519 00:22:37,904 --> 00:22:39,104 Speaker 1: of like one of the people. So it was like 520 00:22:39,144 --> 00:22:40,624 Speaker 1: a very nice way to do it. And you could 521 00:22:40,624 --> 00:22:42,704 Speaker 1: tell that she was really prepared for what she was 522 00:22:42,744 --> 00:22:45,904 Speaker 1: going to say, because as soon as the question came up, 523 00:22:45,904 --> 00:22:48,024 Speaker 1: and it was obviously pre planned in the interview where 524 00:22:48,024 --> 00:22:49,784 Speaker 1: it would that they would do this one question then 525 00:22:49,824 --> 00:22:52,264 Speaker 1: move on, and you could tell that she had planned 526 00:22:52,304 --> 00:22:53,584 Speaker 1: what she was going to say and she needed to 527 00:22:53,584 --> 00:22:55,424 Speaker 1: get it out there. So as soon as he said 528 00:22:55,424 --> 00:22:56,784 Speaker 1: to her, I understand, you've had a bit of a 529 00:22:56,784 --> 00:22:58,544 Speaker 1: tough year, and I don't know what you can say, 530 00:22:58,704 --> 00:22:59,304 Speaker 1: she said this. 531 00:22:59,664 --> 00:23:02,864 Speaker 3: What I can say without going too into it, is 532 00:23:02,904 --> 00:23:05,824 Speaker 3: that this Sira has been full of the highs, highs 533 00:23:06,184 --> 00:23:08,304 Speaker 3: and the lowest lowers of my life. And I see 534 00:23:08,544 --> 00:23:11,624 Speaker 3: so many women around afraid to speak, especially right now, 535 00:23:11,664 --> 00:23:14,544 Speaker 3: afraid to show their experiences, and and fear is by design, 536 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:18,344 Speaker 3: it's what keeps us silent. But I also acknowledge that 537 00:23:18,344 --> 00:23:20,384 Speaker 3: many people don't have the opportunity to speak. So I 538 00:23:20,424 --> 00:23:22,704 Speaker 3: do feel fortunate that I've been able to. And it's 539 00:23:22,744 --> 00:23:24,544 Speaker 3: the women who have had the ability to use their 540 00:23:24,624 --> 00:23:28,624 Speaker 3: voice that's kept me strong and you know, helped me 541 00:23:28,784 --> 00:23:30,544 Speaker 3: in my belief in my fight for the world to 542 00:23:30,544 --> 00:23:31,744 Speaker 3: be safe for women and girls. 543 00:23:31,824 --> 00:23:33,144 Speaker 1: It's a pretty simple thing. 544 00:23:33,504 --> 00:23:35,504 Speaker 2: It's so interesting this interview. This is one of the 545 00:23:35,504 --> 00:23:40,064 Speaker 2: first interviews I've heard of her where she sounds so nervous. Yeah, 546 00:23:40,064 --> 00:23:42,144 Speaker 2: Like you can hear the nerves in her voice, and 547 00:23:42,184 --> 00:23:45,504 Speaker 2: you can also hear and see on her face, like 548 00:23:45,984 --> 00:23:49,504 Speaker 2: her like scaredness of when people aren't laughing at some 549 00:23:49,584 --> 00:23:50,624 Speaker 2: of the jokes she's saying. 550 00:23:50,824 --> 00:23:52,784 Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's something that she's never done. 551 00:23:52,584 --> 00:23:54,544 Speaker 2: Before, Like I feel like she used to just really 552 00:23:54,624 --> 00:23:58,344 Speaker 2: lean in on her celebrity status and her personality whenever 553 00:23:58,344 --> 00:24:00,144 Speaker 2: she does one of these interviews. But you can tell 554 00:24:00,184 --> 00:24:03,344 Speaker 2: also the minute the interview changes from her having to 555 00:24:03,424 --> 00:24:06,624 Speaker 2: talk about not just like everything that's happened because she 556 00:24:06,624 --> 00:24:08,984 Speaker 2: physically can't talk about it, but the movie as well, 557 00:24:09,344 --> 00:24:12,584 Speaker 2: and change into talking about something completely separate like Wrexham, 558 00:24:12,664 --> 00:24:15,824 Speaker 2: like a husband's football team, where you see her completely 559 00:24:15,864 --> 00:24:18,224 Speaker 2: relax and it was only after she had to deal 560 00:24:18,304 --> 00:24:20,664 Speaker 2: with all that that, like she completely relaxed. And you 561 00:24:20,664 --> 00:24:24,264 Speaker 2: can even see on YouTube because YouTube will show you 562 00:24:24,304 --> 00:24:26,744 Speaker 2: the most played part of video. Yeah, and you can 563 00:24:26,784 --> 00:24:29,424 Speaker 2: see it's just that part of the interview where she 564 00:24:29,744 --> 00:24:32,944 Speaker 2: has to talk about everything that's happened with the allegations 565 00:24:32,984 --> 00:24:35,984 Speaker 2: and the court case, and then it feels like everyone's 566 00:24:35,984 --> 00:24:37,504 Speaker 2: just dropped off immediately after that. 567 00:24:37,784 --> 00:24:40,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so interesting because Blake Lively is not someone 568 00:24:40,944 --> 00:24:43,704 Speaker 1: who's had before. This whole thing blew up when the 569 00:24:43,704 --> 00:24:45,624 Speaker 1: movie first came out, and that was that whole backlash 570 00:24:45,664 --> 00:24:48,344 Speaker 1: against her and people thought that, you know, she was 571 00:24:48,784 --> 00:24:50,864 Speaker 1: the one who was torturing Justin Bealdoni and then all 572 00:24:50,944 --> 00:24:53,864 Speaker 1: different allegations came out and now she's suing him for 573 00:24:53,944 --> 00:24:56,904 Speaker 1: a number of things. Like including sexual harassment. He's suing her. 574 00:24:57,424 --> 00:25:00,384 Speaker 1: It's all become very litigious. But prior to that, Blake 575 00:25:00,464 --> 00:25:02,744 Speaker 1: Lively was one of the celebrities who could tell really 576 00:25:02,784 --> 00:25:04,744 Speaker 1: loved doing the talk show circuit. And a lot of 577 00:25:04,784 --> 00:25:07,504 Speaker 1: celebrities talk about not liking it because you've got to 578 00:25:07,544 --> 00:25:09,824 Speaker 1: like talk to producer beforehand and give them all these 579 00:25:09,864 --> 00:25:12,064 Speaker 1: really good stories and they kind of like pick which 580 00:25:12,104 --> 00:25:14,144 Speaker 1: one they want you to tell, and people get very 581 00:25:14,144 --> 00:25:16,704 Speaker 1: stressed about like having a good enough story, like even celebrities, 582 00:25:16,704 --> 00:25:18,464 Speaker 1: which is weird, I guess, because it's the one thing 583 00:25:18,464 --> 00:25:20,624 Speaker 1: they can't really control. They go out there and it's 584 00:25:20,824 --> 00:25:23,104 Speaker 1: either live or it goes up and it can't be edited. 585 00:25:23,424 --> 00:25:25,384 Speaker 1: But Blake Lively has always been one of those people 586 00:25:25,384 --> 00:25:27,624 Speaker 1: that does all the talk show circuits. She always tells 587 00:25:27,584 --> 00:25:29,344 Speaker 1: these stories. You can tell she has like little bits 588 00:25:29,384 --> 00:25:32,224 Speaker 1: prepared about her kids or like other people that sort 589 00:25:32,224 --> 00:25:35,304 Speaker 1: of stuff. And so I think that's why this clip 590 00:25:35,544 --> 00:25:37,864 Speaker 1: has gone a little bit viral, not just because it's 591 00:25:37,904 --> 00:25:40,224 Speaker 1: the first time she's spoken about the legal case, but 592 00:25:40,264 --> 00:25:43,784 Speaker 1: it's the first time she looks really uncomfortable and you 593 00:25:43,824 --> 00:25:46,784 Speaker 1: can hear the audience really cheering and clapping for her 594 00:25:46,824 --> 00:25:49,384 Speaker 1: and being really supportive. A lot of people who are 595 00:25:49,384 --> 00:25:51,584 Speaker 1: doing these talk shows look out to the audience to 596 00:25:51,664 --> 00:25:53,904 Speaker 1: kind of interact with them, and she's looking down. But 597 00:25:53,984 --> 00:25:55,904 Speaker 1: the other thing about these talk shows that you can't 598 00:25:55,904 --> 00:25:58,864 Speaker 1: see off cameras that they have audience warmers and like 599 00:25:58,904 --> 00:26:01,704 Speaker 1: floor managers and stuff, so like before the celebrity comes out, 600 00:26:01,904 --> 00:26:04,344 Speaker 1: they like warm them up with jokes and applause and 601 00:26:04,384 --> 00:26:06,904 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and they also tell them when to 602 00:26:06,904 --> 00:26:09,504 Speaker 1: clap or when to clap bigger or when to clap smaller. 603 00:26:09,584 --> 00:26:11,184 Speaker 1: So you can just tell that there were people on 604 00:26:11,224 --> 00:26:14,544 Speaker 1: the side when she's talking, being like, clap bigger, clap more, 605 00:26:15,104 --> 00:26:16,224 Speaker 1: just to make her feel you know what I mean, 606 00:26:16,304 --> 00:26:18,264 Speaker 1: to make her feel good when she's telling her story. 607 00:26:18,304 --> 00:26:20,824 Speaker 1: But it all just comes across, I guess, like very 608 00:26:20,864 --> 00:26:22,704 Speaker 1: intense to her. But I also thought like she was 609 00:26:22,824 --> 00:26:25,544 Speaker 1: very pre planned. Do you think like she's really trying 610 00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:28,424 Speaker 1: to very curate in now, Yeah, she's really trying to 611 00:26:28,544 --> 00:26:30,784 Speaker 1: show I'm not trying to destroy anyone. I'm not trying 612 00:26:30,824 --> 00:26:33,344 Speaker 1: to get money. This is about fighting for women and 613 00:26:33,384 --> 00:26:36,504 Speaker 1: women's rights and the women who can't speak for themselves. 614 00:26:36,584 --> 00:26:39,224 Speaker 1: Is that is really what she's pushing on her end. 615 00:26:39,184 --> 00:26:42,944 Speaker 2: Which is also really interesting because the whole press tour 616 00:26:43,104 --> 00:26:46,384 Speaker 2: initially for it ends with us. It was kind of 617 00:26:46,384 --> 00:26:49,024 Speaker 2: the sentiment that Justin Baldoni was saying about the movie, 618 00:26:49,064 --> 00:26:51,024 Speaker 2: which is so different to what she was saying about 619 00:26:51,064 --> 00:26:54,104 Speaker 2: the movie, and it's interesting how now she's taken on 620 00:26:54,344 --> 00:26:57,424 Speaker 2: that kind of language to talk about the whole ordeal altogether. 621 00:26:57,824 --> 00:27:00,224 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's really what she's Yeah, exactly what 622 00:27:00,264 --> 00:27:02,544 Speaker 1: she's pushing almost like what people wanted her to say 623 00:27:02,624 --> 00:27:04,904 Speaker 1: during the press to her of the movie, where she 624 00:27:05,024 --> 00:27:06,984 Speaker 1: was more trying to keep it a bit lighter, and 625 00:27:07,024 --> 00:27:08,544 Speaker 1: she was trying to be like, this is a movie 626 00:27:08,584 --> 00:27:10,944 Speaker 1: that you know, go and see together. Obviously there's the 627 00:27:11,024 --> 00:27:13,824 Speaker 1: you know, grab your floral's line that went crazy. She 628 00:27:13,904 --> 00:27:15,784 Speaker 1: said a lot of other stuff, but obviously that was 629 00:27:15,824 --> 00:27:17,984 Speaker 1: the one that went everywhere. But yeah, she wasn't talking 630 00:27:18,024 --> 00:27:21,304 Speaker 1: about domestic violence or women's rights or anything like that 631 00:27:21,504 --> 00:27:24,864 Speaker 1: the same way that Justin Baldoni was. But also knowing 632 00:27:24,864 --> 00:27:27,984 Speaker 1: what we know now, like obviously we don't know what happened, 633 00:27:27,984 --> 00:27:30,624 Speaker 1: but there's a lot of allegations on both sides, but 634 00:27:30,664 --> 00:27:35,504 Speaker 1: a lot of her allegations towards Justin Baldoni sexually arresting 635 00:27:35,504 --> 00:27:39,104 Speaker 1: her making her feel uncomfortable. Her allegations include him like 636 00:27:39,184 --> 00:27:42,144 Speaker 1: forcing her to watch porn. She's also alleged he got 637 00:27:42,144 --> 00:27:43,864 Speaker 1: his friend who's an actor, to come in and like 638 00:27:43,904 --> 00:27:45,504 Speaker 1: be close to her when she was like nearly naek 639 00:27:45,584 --> 00:27:47,664 Speaker 1: under a shit. Like there's a lot of so I 640 00:27:47,744 --> 00:27:50,344 Speaker 1: do wonder like how much those allegations would have been 641 00:27:50,424 --> 00:27:52,904 Speaker 1: kind of playing in her mind when she was doing 642 00:27:53,224 --> 00:27:55,944 Speaker 1: the promo for that movie. Like it's very layered. But yeah, 643 00:27:55,984 --> 00:27:58,424 Speaker 1: interesting that that's the first time that she's spoken about it, 644 00:27:58,584 --> 00:28:00,184 Speaker 1: and I think she'll probably have to speak about it 645 00:28:00,264 --> 00:28:02,104 Speaker 1: quite a few more times in the future because you know, 646 00:28:02,144 --> 00:28:04,904 Speaker 1: this court case, like it feels like we've already been 647 00:28:04,944 --> 00:28:06,384 Speaker 1: through it all because you know, at the start of 648 00:28:06,464 --> 00:28:08,104 Speaker 1: the year and like towards the end of last year 649 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:10,064 Speaker 1: is when it all started kind of bubbling up, when 650 00:28:10,064 --> 00:28:12,944 Speaker 1: there was big New York Times expose and then Blake 651 00:28:12,984 --> 00:28:15,864 Speaker 1: Lively fired the legal complaint, and then she filed the lawsuit, 652 00:28:15,864 --> 00:28:18,464 Speaker 1: and then Justin Bealdoni filed the lawsuit, and then Justin 653 00:28:18,504 --> 00:28:21,384 Speaker 1: Baldoni put up that whole website about Blake Lively and 654 00:28:21,424 --> 00:28:23,464 Speaker 1: it was a whole, big situation. They've had like one 655 00:28:23,504 --> 00:28:25,584 Speaker 1: court hearing just to kind of sort of get the 656 00:28:25,584 --> 00:28:28,544 Speaker 1: ball rolling and also to try and shut down justin 657 00:28:28,544 --> 00:28:30,944 Speaker 1: Bealdoni's sharing all this information. But you know, the actual 658 00:28:30,944 --> 00:28:34,624 Speaker 1: court case is not even starting until March twenty twenty six. 659 00:28:35,544 --> 00:28:41,144 Speaker 1: We've got nearly a whole year. Like that's how long 660 00:28:41,224 --> 00:28:43,864 Speaker 1: these things take. I guess that's say Sean Combs. 661 00:28:43,864 --> 00:28:46,024 Speaker 2: We've been talking about Sean Combs for like feels like 662 00:28:46,264 --> 00:28:50,024 Speaker 2: five ten years, and the court case was only happening next. 663 00:28:49,944 --> 00:28:52,024 Speaker 1: Week, this week, next week in a C show. It 664 00:28:52,064 --> 00:28:53,744 Speaker 1: looks like it happens the week after, like so we 665 00:28:53,824 --> 00:28:56,584 Speaker 1: get to rest again, like yeah this week. Can't believe 666 00:28:56,624 --> 00:28:58,704 Speaker 1: laur in order or anything like that. Like the legal 667 00:28:58,704 --> 00:29:01,344 Speaker 1: system takes. So we have like nearly a whole year 668 00:29:01,984 --> 00:29:04,504 Speaker 1: left of this, but I'm sure they'll they'll both talk 669 00:29:04,544 --> 00:29:07,064 Speaker 1: about it again. But yeah, interesting to see her first appearance. 670 00:29:07,304 --> 00:29:09,464 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening to this bill today. 671 00:29:09,544 --> 00:29:11,664 Speaker 2: The Spill is produced by Amy Kimball with sound production 672 00:29:11,664 --> 00:29:13,264 Speaker 2: by Scott Stronik. 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