WEBVTT - 'The Chatbot History That Ruined My Relationship’

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Mola Mia out loud. It's what

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<v Speaker 1>women are actually talking about on Friday, the tenth of April.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Holly Wainwright Stevens and I'm m Burnham.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's what's made our agenda for this Friday. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a hack to simplifying your life that is also the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect excuse for lazy girls. Welcome to your Signature Everything Era.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus there's a new way to do your lipstick and

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<v Speaker 2>I guarantee you're not coming.

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<v Speaker 1>To like it.

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<v Speaker 3>And the woman who discovered her boyfriend had discussed all

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<v Speaker 3>his doubts about their relationship with chat gpt.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, dear but first and vernon.

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<v Speaker 2>According to science, there's always according to science. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I never do the step further finding out what the

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<v Speaker 2>science is.

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<v Speaker 1>Science is a person. According to science, there's a specific type.

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<v Speaker 2>Of dance that men do that women find most appealing.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it. It's on bad Bunny.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it's not that cool, I'm telling you right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>So Haymi s Shenandy brought this to my attention. Our

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<v Speaker 2>model enemies, our nemesia scientists in the UK have come

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<v Speaker 2>up with a little video of this avatar dancing and

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<v Speaker 2>it's meant to be very attractive to women. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think they got a bunch of women together. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm assuming that happened. They got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>women together and they're like, what's your favorite type of

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<v Speaker 2>dancing man? And one was like, I like hit movements,

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<v Speaker 2>and one woman's like I like dance and they put

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<v Speaker 2>it all in this avatar and he's just doing the most.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it sexy?

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<v Speaker 2>So what Hami Shinandy did was that they got together

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<v Speaker 2>with their producer Jack and they all wore the same

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<v Speaker 2>outfit with a paper bag on the head, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all took turns doing a dance for thirty seconds, and

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<v Speaker 2>they got five women to vote for who was the

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<v Speaker 2>best dancer. Hamish was the one who learned the avatar dance,

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<v Speaker 2>who learned the alleged like really attractive dance, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what he looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>By doing scientifically most sexy dance. But it's on me

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<v Speaker 1>if I can recreate the sample that I have, what

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<v Speaker 1>is running.

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<v Speaker 4>Man starts with, well, that's quite hot.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that that that circle work, arms coordination.

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<v Speaker 2>You can tell who's concentrating so hard even with a

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<v Speaker 2>bag on his head.

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<v Speaker 1>The clapping is that hot?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I hate when you're going to take someone

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<v Speaker 2>out with that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah you are, you are. It's very it's very

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<v Speaker 4>like man's pready.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's taking a lot little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do we like a man to take up space on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dance and it becomes a performance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've just realized that I mum danced my way

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<v Speaker 1>through this. This is really mortifying.

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<v Speaker 2>Hamish nearly came last when these women voted. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think like those kind of moves seem a bit

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<v Speaker 2>aggressive for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, show me you can do it from a seedy position.

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<v Speaker 1>But what you like how you like a man to dance?

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<v Speaker 2>Shoulders, shoulders and like some gentle hips emphasis on the

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<v Speaker 2>gentle Yeah, gentle.

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<v Speaker 1>Hips not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't want to be twerking, but then the

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<v Speaker 2>guy next to me is a better t worker than me.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't want to be at work?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want him to be reacting to your twerking?

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<v Speaker 1>Not like that? In general? Like as he can give

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<v Speaker 1>me some but like stay away from me, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>I think on a dance floor, men generally not always

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<v Speaker 3>need to be somewhat neutral dancing Like, yes, I see

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<v Speaker 3>what you're saying with the like this, and then coordinating

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<v Speaker 3>with the hips. But if you're going too much, that

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<v Speaker 3>is overshadowing the ladies, many of whom have spent decades

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<v Speaker 3>in dance.

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<v Speaker 2>Class, traumatized on dance classes. And if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do the worm, do it once and you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>No multiple worms have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Be good at it. You don't have to watch you get.

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<v Speaker 2>Into a circle for you to be bad at the worm.

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<v Speaker 1>I spent last weekend camping with middle aged men. I

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<v Speaker 1>saw the sprinkler yep, oh yeah, lots of robots like

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<v Speaker 1>they don't know what they're doing, and much pointing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is what a lot of middle age men do, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pointing. The thing is is, when I was

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<v Speaker 1>younger and I was clubbing and stuff I did used

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<v Speaker 1>to think men who dance were really hot because I

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<v Speaker 1>liked the abandon and the confidence that it meant, although

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<v Speaker 1>probably in the era that I was clubbing, and also

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<v Speaker 1>meant they just take a lot of trucks. But they

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<v Speaker 1>were like confident and abandoned and they were having a

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<v Speaker 1>good time, and I was always attracted to that. But

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<v Speaker 1>there's a line that the tip over where if they're

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<v Speaker 1>expecting everyone to kind of like circle around them almost

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<v Speaker 1>and make them the feature. Then that's you've tipped over

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<v Speaker 1>into the not attractive anymore territory.

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<v Speaker 3>I find a man who can dance so incredibly sexy.

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Styles.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so he's actually not the sexiest. To me, the

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<v Speaker 3>sexiest male dancer isn't always will be Zaka Fron.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, there is a scene he hits the water.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a scene in a terrible, i'd call it

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<v Speaker 3>appalling movie called New Year's Eve, but there is a

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<v Speaker 3>saving gray scene at the end where zac Efron.

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<v Speaker 4>Just has a dance hot and greatest showman. He's amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>But when I saw this Hamish, Andy and Jack dance,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was very clever. For one that they

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<v Speaker 3>all wore the same outfit. They wore Andy's outfit because

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<v Speaker 3>Hamish and Jack's outfits that day were horrific. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 3>wore they wore shorts, and shorts would be an ick

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<v Speaker 3>and that was very clever.

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<v Speaker 4>But none of their dancing was sexy.

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<v Speaker 3>And this dance that the freaking robot does is absolutely appalling.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>Face on it though, No, because zac Efron is quite

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<v Speaker 3>he's quite technically skilled, like every now and then.

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<v Speaker 4>She goes into like a Michael Jackson move.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that if you were on a date

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<v Speaker 1>with Ryan Gosling, this is something I think about a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that he would just suddenly break into

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<v Speaker 1>like full la la la tap because that's hot. I

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<v Speaker 1>can tap. That's hot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well while you're just walking to get your groceries and

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<v Speaker 2>tap dancing Bruno mars He's a good dance of Bruno

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<v Speaker 2>mars Is.

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<v Speaker 4>The sexy dance is the other one.

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<v Speaker 3>For people who say, like, oh, I don't really like

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<v Speaker 3>fine men dancing hot Channing Tatum, give me five seconds

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<v Speaker 3>of that that show that was.

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<v Speaker 4>All the sexy magic, the magic mic show. I don't pret.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know what it's called.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Men who can sexy dance.

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<v Speaker 1>Just scientifically proven to be hot. Okay, even with bag

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<v Speaker 1>on head taking notes, tick it off. No air guitar though,

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<v Speaker 1>Brent needs to take notes on that. That's the other

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<v Speaker 1>middle aged man is the guitar, and it looks very

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<v Speaker 1>sexy only to me. To me, okay, moving on, I

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<v Speaker 1>am going to change your lives with some very important

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<v Speaker 1>information that I found out this week on a substack

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we change lives these days, friends sign up

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<v Speaker 1>to the mom and me are out loud. One this

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<v Speaker 1>woman called Shiera Gill. She is a world renowned organizational expert.

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<v Speaker 1>She's written books about how to like streamline things, make

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<v Speaker 1>fewer decisions in your life, be cool, be classy. Her vibe,

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<v Speaker 1>her esthetic is very Gwyneth kind of beige. La your

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<v Speaker 1>dream Yeah, like I would love this shit. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I can't pull it off. But anyway, She wrote and

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<v Speaker 1>substack about how we all need to adopt a signature

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<v Speaker 1>everything and it will change our lives. Let me explain,

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<v Speaker 1>She wrote, we make roughly thirty five thousand decisions a day.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I do.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I don't thirty five that's a lot, right, How

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<v Speaker 4>can I make five?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you just go with the flow. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>them so small, we don't even read just to making them,

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<v Speaker 1>what to wear, what to eat for breakfast, which coffee

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<v Speaker 1>to order? Da da da da. Collectively, they drain our

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<v Speaker 1>mental energy, says Shira, before we've even started the meaningful

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<v Speaker 1>work of our day. So she created this thing called

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing rule, which means that you choose one

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<v Speaker 1>good quality thing instead of five less well blah blah's

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<v Speaker 1>going to simple five year life, and now she's got

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<v Speaker 1>this new one having a signature everything. She says, recently,

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to take the concept of one good thing

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<v Speaker 1>a step further with the idea of creating a signature everything,

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<v Speaker 1>removing decision fatigue wherever I can. Some examples a signature uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>So for Shier, that is jeans and a white T shirt,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what Hamish and Andy and Jack were wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of what I'm wearing right now.

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<v Speaker 3>It is it is. It is a hot signature outfit.

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<v Speaker 3>I always think about Steve Jobs any signature outfit. I

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<v Speaker 3>need to be more like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, signature outfit. Signature bag, she says. Shira says she

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<v Speaker 1>has three bags that do all the jobs. She has

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<v Speaker 1>a more crossbody for evenings, a mid size for weekends,

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<v Speaker 1>and a tote for work days. And they're all from Selene.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the maths. That signature is about ten thousand dollars. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but I imagine one is allowed to do it in

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<v Speaker 1>a less one percent fashion and just get but like

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<v Speaker 1>three bags of different sizes that all kind of go together,

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<v Speaker 1>and only those bags.

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<v Speaker 3>My signature bag is a backpack that my husband bought

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<v Speaker 3>me on Amazon because he was disgusted by the state

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<v Speaker 3>of my bag at that point.

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<v Speaker 4>But now this bag has rotten benin. Yeah, it's my signature.

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<v Speaker 1>Your signature signature snack, Yeah exactly. Now we all probably

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<v Speaker 1>have these signatures without even thinking about them. Coffee order,

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<v Speaker 1>drink order, tea we drink? Is it a signature?

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<v Speaker 2>Is just something you like?

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<v Speaker 3>I know I didn't agree that your coffee order is

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<v Speaker 3>a signature. I think that's just the coffee that you like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, but it is your signature because people know

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<v Speaker 1>it about you. And then it becomes we're like, oh, Claire,

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<v Speaker 1>she's such a Actually I don't know what yours is

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<v Speaker 1>slat white girl.

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<v Speaker 4>I think, sorry, you think I can have a coffee?

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<v Speaker 4>This doesn't have a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But also Shira says we should pick, we should extend

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<v Speaker 1>signatures beyond those things. So a signature place to go,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you've got something to celebrate, always go there.

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<v Speaker 1>A signature gift, a signature menu if people ever come

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<v Speaker 1>to your house, and even a signature workout. So basically,

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<v Speaker 1>if someone comes to your house and you're always giving

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<v Speaker 1>them the same thing. It's not laziness or predictability. It's

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<v Speaker 1>your signature.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's kind of true.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they all get a tin of tuna straight from

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<v Speaker 2>the tin we.

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<v Speaker 1>All share to everybody, so it's like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Garlic chili ones.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite nice. I love that one. Is this genius

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<v Speaker 1>in simplifying your life? Or is this a massive cop out?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that there is an element of it that

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<v Speaker 3>is actually genius because it does cut out a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of that decision making. However, some of them they do

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<v Speaker 3>border on Actually, no, they don't border on ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I think all of us do.

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<v Speaker 3>Have a signature of all of those things.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just not something that we're proud of.

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<v Speaker 3>So when people come to my house, my signature meal

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<v Speaker 3>is takeaway.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is it always the same takeaway though? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it like a takeaway of their choice?

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<v Speaker 3>No, chaos, can't make can't make a decisions. And then

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<v Speaker 3>signature dessert and this I have to credit my partner

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<v Speaker 3>for this. It is actually a block of dairy milk

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<v Speaker 3>chocolate torn up and put on a small white.

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<v Speaker 1>Rust.

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<v Speaker 4>Really proud when he served it. Everyone likes it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Motion control exactly and beyond your tuna I've got

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<v Speaker 1>some signatures.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a signature parking technique where it's a bit

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<v Speaker 2>slightly away from the curve to the point where other

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<v Speaker 2>car think I'm going to like try to redo it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm like, chokes on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting out.

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<v Speaker 2>And if i'm if I come to an event with

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<v Speaker 2>a group of people, they look at the car and

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<v Speaker 2>be like you drive, didn't you? Yes, I'm like, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my person.

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<v Speaker 1>I must be here exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I've started doing this thing where I have like a

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted like a signature gift, but not something you buy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, maybe I should start making cards

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<v Speaker 2>so I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Make personal I did this one time.

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<v Speaker 2>I started and I did one and it took two

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<v Speaker 2>hours because you get too into it so you can

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<v Speaker 2>want to add more. And now my car card is

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<v Speaker 2>like five centimeters stick and it won't fit in them

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<v Speaker 2>stuck like crafty things. Oh just only stick is Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm not making mark I can't be handwriting

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<v Speaker 2>stuff it.

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<v Speaker 1>No no no no.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I'm like, I did it in a way

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<v Speaker 2>where if I give it to someone, they're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I did like a child make this like and be

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, I employed the child to do this for you.

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<v Speaker 1>I realized my house as a signature sent because I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's important. I'm sure sheer would improve of a

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<v Speaker 1>signature sent like a candle. Well, no, mine is move

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<v Speaker 1>headline solutions. My house always smells of that. Somebody in

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<v Speaker 1>my house has always been donated within the twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hour period.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is great because when someone comes over and be like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>my sinus is just all.

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<v Speaker 1>Cleaned up, just gone. My kids have a signature lunch box,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a plastic bag. I think many years of

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<v Speaker 1>lunch boxes, they get lost, they get manky, whatever. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's just your teenagers. Here's a sandwich in a plastic bag.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very thoughtful signature. We have a signature Sunday night

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<v Speaker 1>ritual in our house, which is swearing at each other

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<v Speaker 1>over a mountain of clean washing. You've got to fold it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so those things are but I do think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have some serious signatures. We In fact, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got this questionnaire we're doing in the newsletter at the

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<v Speaker 1>minute sign off if you want to see it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it did have like your signature, dish your signature, drink

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<v Speaker 1>your signature, or when you get when you go to

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant. I just think that putting signature in front

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<v Speaker 1>of anything makes it sound much classier than it is. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it does, because is giving someone a signature gift, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>thoughtful or just is it that really all about you?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like your birthday's coming up, you're always going

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<v Speaker 1>to get I don't know, a copy of your book,

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<v Speaker 1>see whatever every year, just coming around, just every year,

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<v Speaker 1>or a bottle of something or a block of dairy milk.

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<v Speaker 1>And so is that reassuring because you'd always be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I can count on Claire for the dairy milk.

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it like Claire doesn't even see me anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you know?

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<v Speaker 3>Because in my dreams, one day, I live in this

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<v Speaker 3>big house and I have a closet that is just

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<v Speaker 3>for gifts that I've pre planned, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>a friend's birthday and I go, oh, I'll go to

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<v Speaker 3>my cupboard a gift couverard of dip tea candy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's all I ever want is a dip cand.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I don't know if you're signat gift

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<v Speaker 1>was a dip te? No?

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<v Speaker 4>And like if you were really rich, they could be

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<v Speaker 4>the really big ones. But anyway, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Little timy one candle.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think for kids as well, like if you

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<v Speaker 3>if you had like a particular book that you just

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<v Speaker 3>always gifted someone when they had a baby or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>But the trap, this is the trap with having a signature.

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<v Speaker 3>Gift, is if you do decide to change things or

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<v Speaker 3>your situation changes, it's really destabilizing. So I had an uncle,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I still have the uncle.

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<v Speaker 4>We have beef.

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<v Speaker 3>Because every Christmas it was cash, and it was a

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<v Speaker 3>certain amount of cash, and I got really used to

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<v Speaker 3>budgeting my summer relying on this cash. And then one

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<v Speaker 3>year I guess I wasn't a kid anymore because I

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<v Speaker 3>was thirty and the cash stopped coming, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>where's my signature gift?

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair, that's fair. I didn't like because how long

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<v Speaker 1>can you pull off the signature gift for I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it can be a signature gift, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it can be a signature gift giver.

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<v Speaker 2>Where your signature thing is being really good at giving

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<v Speaker 2>really thoughtful gifts. I have a friend who is the

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<v Speaker 2>best gift giver ever that whenever someone's birthday were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot wait for her gift because you know what's

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<v Speaker 2>going to imagine the pressure so so good. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>just like what she likes to do. She's like and

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't always have to be expensive. It will be

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<v Speaker 2>something like if you go to a house and you

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<v Speaker 2>compliment like one of her prints, then she'll go to

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<v Speaker 2>that printer, that designer and be like, my friend wants

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<v Speaker 2>is for a birthday? Can you do something for her?

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<v Speaker 2>And like it's very thoughtful. It's because she spends so

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<v Speaker 2>much time thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we could remember anything, we'd know what aneagram

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<v Speaker 1>she was from last week's show. Yeah, because that is

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<v Speaker 1>a high degree of people pleasing but in a good.

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<v Speaker 4>Way to help me.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's probably a two because my friend one of

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<v Speaker 1>my she's really good at gifts too, and she does

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<v Speaker 1>what you say clip. When she sees a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>she knows that you or whatever your kids would like,

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<v Speaker 1>she buys it, even if it's nowhere near your birthday,

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<v Speaker 1>Even if your birthday is in December but it's January,

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<v Speaker 1>she'll buy it, put in a cupboard and then remember

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<v Speaker 1>all the way through in December that she bought you

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<v Speaker 1>that thing. And I am in awe of that level

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<v Speaker 1>of organization because every now and again, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to try to be Gwyneth, so I'll be like

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<v Speaker 1>dehydrated citrus. I do have one of those machines. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the dehydrat is sit. And so at Christmas last year,

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<v Speaker 1>I gave you a lot awesome dehydra that was your

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<v Speaker 1>signature gift in a plastic bags together this far into

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<v Speaker 1>the thoughtful gift giving, and then I was like, who

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<v Speaker 1>has little jars? Who has pleasing little jars?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, no, that's your signature. That's really important.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true out louders in a moment, what are you

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<v Speaker 3>telling chatchpt? And what if somebody else read it? I

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<v Speaker 3>read a substack last week that made me completely rethink

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<v Speaker 3>the way I'm using CHATJPT. I'm now terrified. The piece

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<v Speaker 3>was called I Stumbled across my Boyfriend's chat cheept and

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<v Speaker 3>It Ended Our Relationship by Lindsay Hall. Excellent headline, Lindsey,

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<v Speaker 3>and it tells the story of how she was on

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<v Speaker 3>the lounge with her now ex boyfriend and she needed

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<v Speaker 3>to borrow his laptop, so she had been on her

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<v Speaker 3>phone doing some work. Phone runs out of that tree.

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<v Speaker 3>She needs to finish this last thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Open his laptop.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if a story starts like that, you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>things are not going to hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, opens his laptop and it's already opened to his

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<v Speaker 3>Chatjept and she notices in the sidebar a past chat

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<v Speaker 3>titled relationship issues and uncertain Do.

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<v Speaker 1>You click on that?

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<v Speaker 4>Do you click?

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<v Speaker 1>If you see that in your boyfriend's husband's search history

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<v Speaker 1>right there, do you click on it? That's the first

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<v Speaker 1>question that is thrown up by this excellent story.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I now have the self restraint that I

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't because I know how badly it would.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's like, what, I don't know, Clay.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've dated, you've done some dating A clicking on that?

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<v Speaker 2>There have been relationships in my past nine hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>would click on that link even if it wasn't in

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<v Speaker 2>my face.

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<v Speaker 1>I would look for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I would search it in the search bar. Is it

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<v Speaker 2>going to break up with me? And there's also been

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<v Speaker 2>relationships where I wouldn't click on it because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>secure in that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I think I'd be like, oh, mate, you got

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<v Speaker 3>too much toil on your hair.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's my theory about snooping, because in general,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very anti snooping, like going through your partner's phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and I genuinely think you never find anything you want

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<v Speaker 1>to know. But if you if you feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>know there's something going on, whatever it is, and you

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<v Speaker 1>need evidence for it, that's the only time to snoop.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like Lindsay must have somewhere had a

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<v Speaker 1>little tickle in a tummy going like you it's your

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<v Speaker 1>phone has run out on purpose. There's no there's no

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<v Speaker 1>accident here.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think for Lindsay it was about the cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Because tell me more.

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<v Speaker 3>For Lindsey, she had three cats, and the central tension

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<v Speaker 3>of their relationship that had been going for five months

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<v Speaker 3>was that her partner was like, too many cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Three cats. There's a lot of cats.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a lot of cats.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, no offense to all our lovely cat loving audience,

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<v Speaker 1>but three is a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And the tension had been around creating mess and

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<v Speaker 3>chaos and just too much, too much cat energy, and so.

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<v Speaker 4>She thought that's what it was going to be. So

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<v Speaker 4>that's why she clicked.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, I need to hear yeah thoughts about my cat,

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<v Speaker 1>about my cat, little Lucifer. I know he doesn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>I want that level of security, whereas if I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to look into something that says relationship problems and uncertainty,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, that's about the cats. Can't be about

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<v Speaker 2>anything else, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but then she clicks on it and the first

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<v Speaker 3>thing she sees is chat GPT's response, from what you're sharing,

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<v Speaker 3>you should consider ending the relationship. And she's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think this is about the cats. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>it's the cats. So her then boyfriend had asked, should

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<v Speaker 3>I be in love after three and a half months.

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<v Speaker 3>Further down, he'd written, well, the cat's definitely, and then

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<v Speaker 3>there's the whole attraction thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and later he had said she was too petite

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<v Speaker 4>to frail looking.

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<v Speaker 3>He basically criticized her physical appearance, and then later he

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<v Speaker 3>had typed, I'm just not proud of her. And she

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<v Speaker 3>writes in this article, the fact this was on chat

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<v Speaker 3>chpt in its own way made the whole thing feel

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<v Speaker 3>even more grotesque and surreal. It was like accidentally reading

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<v Speaker 3>someone's diary, except the diary was a fucking robot, predisposed

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<v Speaker 3>to agree with him, ready to take his cruel thoughts

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<v Speaker 3>and shape them into something that sounded reasonable. So she

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<v Speaker 3>confronted him, he said it was more nuanced than it looked.

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<v Speaker 3>She ended up dating him for a little bit longer,

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<v Speaker 3>but she said basically, once she could not unknow what

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<v Speaker 3>she had seen, she couldn't unsee it. So she also

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<v Speaker 3>says that you always suspect that the people that you

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<v Speaker 3>love find you a little bit annoying at times. They

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<v Speaker 3>probably don't always have the most charitable thoughts. But she

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<v Speaker 3>says it's another thing entirely to read the actual transcript.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really because when I read this, when you

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<v Speaker 1>shared this with me, I was like, in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>my first instinct was to defend him, And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know why, except that I think it's probably that

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<v Speaker 1>we all know that we have inner thoughts about the

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<v Speaker 1>people in our lives that you know, it's probably best

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<v Speaker 1>not to voice out loud because it wants you do.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bigger deal. And men are notoriously bad at

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<v Speaker 1>intimate relationships with friends. So there's a world in which

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<v Speaker 1>you could be, well, he's telling he's talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>robot about his relationship, rather than saying, well, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>attraction thing to like his mate or his sister or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somebody who then forever that would be frozen

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<v Speaker 1>in their mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know how you've probably got a friend or someone

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<v Speaker 1>in your life, or maybe you've done it where they've

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<v Speaker 1>told you things about their relationship that you can't forget,

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<v Speaker 1>but the relationships moved on, and you're like, but I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you thought that she was.

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<v Speaker 4>I have so many of it. It was probably just.

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<v Speaker 1>A moment in time, right, and that he was just

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<v Speaker 1>voicing his insecurities or his worries or his thoughts about

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<v Speaker 1>her at a moment in time. But so my first

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<v Speaker 1>instinct was to be a little bit defensive of that

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<v Speaker 1>and think like, well, he's just talking to somebody about

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<v Speaker 1>his doubts and we all have doubts. But then I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought about how you could ever come back from

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<v Speaker 1>seeing in like cold hard type to the robot I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just not proud of her, and how you could ever

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<v Speaker 1>come back from that.

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<v Speaker 3>I know. But then you think, I was thinking, you

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<v Speaker 3>go to a psychologist, that it's bound by confidentiality, And

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<v Speaker 3>the difference is that you can say to a psychologist,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm you know, I've got the ick.

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<v Speaker 4>Is it a haircut? Or is it the end of

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<v Speaker 4>my marriage?

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<v Speaker 3>You can say all those things, and a psychologist has

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<v Speaker 3>the added benefit of being a human being who has

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<v Speaker 3>your history and knows has has an emotional sense of

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on for you and can maybe say.

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<v Speaker 4>You can actually get.

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<v Speaker 3>Past an ick or can talk you through these things

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<v Speaker 3>and say that all everyone feels uncertain from time to time,

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<v Speaker 3>Whereas it seems like and this has been a big

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<v Speaker 3>criticism of chat j apt that it's very it really

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<v Speaker 3>sides with you, it really reaffirms great idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah those cats sound awful. Yeah yeah, split ends yeuh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on how you view your own

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with AI. Firstly, I do think everyone needs to

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<v Speaker 2>invest in a journal. It's very money, very well spent.

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<v Speaker 4>But what if so nobody he reads it?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think think of this situation equivalent is this,

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<v Speaker 1>did she basically read his journal when she.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I actually don't know, because I think before AI,

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<v Speaker 2>the situation would be like you would see this message

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<v Speaker 2>like what you said whole he would message his friend

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<v Speaker 2>about it, and you'd be really angry because now you

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<v Speaker 2>brought this other person into our relationship, or he'd tell

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<v Speaker 2>a therapist about it, and you might be a bit

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<v Speaker 2>proud that he's actually trying to talk about this in

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<v Speaker 2>a professional sense or he did it in his diary,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everyone has mixed feelings about that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're all trying to while we're experiencing our own

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<v Speaker 2>relationships with AI. Everyone has very different opinions on this

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 2>specific story because I was also reading the comments, and

0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:41.160
<v Speaker 2>everyone split some like I personally think she betrayed his

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<v Speaker 2>trusty by reading it, and I was actually when because

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end of her subset, she said she left

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<v Speaker 2>him and then he came back apologizing and they got

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<v Speaker 2>back together. And in my head, I thought he'd be

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<v Speaker 2>equally as mad at her for reading it because someone

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<v Speaker 2>read my chadchbt.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh oh my god, they think I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends, I reckon whether or not you get to

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<v Speaker 1>be really indignant about your privacy being betrayed. Depends on

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>the level of what they've found out. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean? Like, if somebody read your diary and

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<v Speaker 1>you were talking about the affair you're having with their brother, right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a story taken from my real life

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<v Speaker 1>or my real life, But then you can't be the

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<v Speaker 1>one who's on your high horse going But you read

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<v Speaker 1>my diary when they're like, yeah, but you're sleeping with

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<v Speaker 1>my brother, do you know what I mean? But if

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>it's why can't I but well you can, my diary

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<v Speaker 1>probably not going to win that argument, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. Whereas if it's a lower level, like personally

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<v Speaker 1>to your point, and he's just pouring out what he

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<v Speaker 1>might pour out to a diary. But the thing is

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the diary isn't talking back to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he hasn't actually done anything wrong. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think when people have these kind of conversations with AI,

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<v Speaker 2>which a lot of people are now treating it as

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<v Speaker 2>a diary without even meaning to, it always starts off

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<v Speaker 2>with like a Google ball question. So his first and

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<v Speaker 2>if your question was is three point five months too

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:05.400
<v Speaker 2>long to not be in love? And then I looked

0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.280
<v Speaker 2>it up in Google and Google says it is normal

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>to either be in love or to not be in love.

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<v Speaker 2>And then if he googled that before AI, then he

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 2>would have been like, Okay, that's fine. But because we

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>have a chat GPT robot not only giving us an

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>answer but also also wanting us to explore more questions

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>with it, you just go into this endless spir I.

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 3>Totally an American chat GPT almost facilitates rumination because sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>I ask a quick question.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it wants to keep you on. Yeah, it's murdus,

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<v Speaker 1>and I like a social media platform is to keep

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:39.199
<v Speaker 1>you talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so my I looked at my summary summarison my

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 3>chats because I thought I went quite personal with chat

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 3>japer tape.

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.479
<v Speaker 4>Turns out I don't. It's just rogue. I looked up.

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:54.520
<v Speaker 3>I was looking up unexplained bruises causes, literary boys names.

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Not finding finding any dirt on rabbit bite care advice

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<v Speaker 2>I did get in my rabbit id.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I have lots of questions freaking weird literary

0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:07.680
<v Speaker 1>boys nay.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted a boy's name that sounded.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, not help. Also, when you get bitten by wrappit anyway,

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting.

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<v Speaker 3>Rapped if I got if I got a an infection, am.

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I going to turn into a rabbit tupe Here it

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<v Speaker 1>is giving a little snapshot of your life, no.

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 3>Question, exactly of the state of my brain. And it

0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>really does keep you on there every time I ask

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.640
<v Speaker 3>a question, because it currently my chat ticker TA currently

0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 3>thinks that I've just had PREMI twins, but I'm also

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 3>do with a baby, and.

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 1>So it's very because it's a robot that seems fine robots,

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I definitely do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm asking, like, what's normal for twenty five weeks and

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like you just had to and I'm like, it's true.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 4>But it does.

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 3>It asks you questions to keep you on there, and

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 3>there are things where I might just need a black

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 3>and white answer, as black and white as any answer

0:29:00.760 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 3>can possibly be, and it does kind of keep asking

0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 3>and asking, which makes you think about it more. But

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I was thinking, imagine if you were somebody with severe

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 3>post natal depression and you have the darkest, darkest thoughts

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 3>that you would never ever want anybody to know, And

0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 3>that's why you see a psychologist because there is confidentiality.

0:29:24.240 --> 0:29:26.400
<v Speaker 3>But it is really scary to think that there's a

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 3>record of that, and there's a record of thoughts that

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 3>you come out about your baby.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not private, it's not entirely private, and that's so true,

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:36.160
<v Speaker 1>and that's why there's lots of there's a lot of

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>ethical concerns about like where when should chat GPT step

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 1>in whatever that means and alert somebody. I want to

0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 1>know what your robot would think about you and what

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing are you treating your robot like a therapist? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I did like a bit of a I

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>did one of those summary things. I'm like, based on

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 2>everything you know about me, what can you tell me

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>about myself? And I was like Emily Vernon loves to

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>be held accountable for her action.

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<v Speaker 4>What you're like, No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>She sometimes struggles with dating, especially knowing what his message back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because we talked about this on a previous show.

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<v Speaker 1>You get your robot to write your messages now, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So do we think that at that Lindsay who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>this excellent essay, should they have broken up based on

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>his chat history and all we know about it? I

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>think they should just knowing.

0:30:27.400 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>That you wanted to click into that, I feel like

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>you should have been like, I do think.

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<v Speaker 3>That they're a marriage, that there would be happy marriages

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.440
<v Speaker 3>where people have thought worse things about each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's definitely true, and that you're on

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a roller coaster and often, you know, people always say

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that the secret to not getting divorced or breaking up

0:30:46.760 --> 0:30:48.160
<v Speaker 1>is that neither of you wants to at the same

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>time but same time five months in if you're googling

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>all those doubts, like doubts are normal, but there has

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to be some good stuff. Was he good? Did she

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<v Speaker 1>just not include the where he was googling? Is it

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>usual to be so obsessed with your girl?

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<v Speaker 3>So she kind of made that point that there wasn't

0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 3>a lot of flattery. Oh, I guess you don't need

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 3>chut JPT.

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<v Speaker 4>For the flattery.

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you need to understand using all your tokens. Yeah, pesky.

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:22.040
<v Speaker 2>There is a new beauty trend and I don't even

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 2>know what to call it, but they called it the

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>almost ready look. And what you do is you smudge

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>your lipstick. Sounds basic, it's actually quite hard. I tried it.

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 2>So four or four twenty twenty six fashion show models

0:31:34.640 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 2>were seen sporting a red lip. However, their lipstick looked

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.680
<v Speaker 2>very interesting because on their top lip, on one side,

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.160
<v Speaker 2>it was smudged up, and in the opposite direction, on

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.920
<v Speaker 2>their bottom lip, it was smudged down. I was calling

0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>it the clown cheek that way.

0:31:49.800 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 4>So you're going to do.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>It right as if they go like here like up

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>on your face, yep, and then on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>you can go down right, am I doing it right

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>and then it looks a bit like you've just been kissed.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell the rob.

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>So basically, the team behind it said, we wanted a

0:32:14.600 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 2>character and a narrative about someone who started their day

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.840
<v Speaker 2>ready but couldn't finish everything, which like, come.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 3>To my house, professional, professional makeup looks absolutely flawless.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, I need to look at my.

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Are you fixing it?

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Holly's fixing hers to make it look neater, which I

0:32:33.560 --> 0:32:34.600
<v Speaker 3>don't think is the point.

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like a bit. But I've noticed Hailey

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 2>Beaber has been doing this. So what they do is

0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 2>they get like not as chaotic as like half up,

0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:44.680
<v Speaker 2>half down, but they get a lip. I can't take

0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 2>you serious.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why if you're watching her show on Apple Podcasts,

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 1>which you can now, you can see that I look

0:32:53.200 --> 0:32:54.560
<v Speaker 1>very professional right now.

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it's it's French, which is I've been out

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 3>all night. I'm still hot, because of course I am,

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, I had some drinks.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, like that's the vibe and like what you do?

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>So and the thing is I have roseasia. So the

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 2>more I rub it off, the redder it gets. So

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>the more smudged it look.

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 4>They didn't account for that.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>But what I've seen the actual influencer girls do is

0:33:16.520 --> 0:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>that they use a lip liner and then they gently

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>smudge the lip liner.

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 4>Like it's like blurred.

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>It's like a blurred lip and that looks much much

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 2>better compared to what we've just done to our faces

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 2>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think? Right? Because when you saw when you

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 1>see the images of this particular fashion show, and it's

0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 1>very exaggerated, So the cool girls are just doing it

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.920
<v Speaker 1>subtly bleeding their lipstick out, so it's got this rough

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>edge that's apparently very cool. But do you think that

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>the whole like everybody's wearing their lipstick like this now

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.560
<v Speaker 1>and it's just like like all over the face like this.

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just a Tenson economy, right, It's just like we

0:33:53.960 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>need someone to write about the fashion show. They're not

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>really expecting me to go out like that, are they?

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>Well this or is this not really really it to

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.560
<v Speaker 1>me anyway because I'm not a model?

0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think this is the problem with all beauty

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 3>trends is that they're like, look, she has lipstick go

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 3>over her face and still looks perfect.

0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:11.239
<v Speaker 4>And it's like that's because she is the most ridiculously

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful human I've ever seen.

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.200
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, yeah, imperfection only works when the rest

0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 3>of you is perfect. It doesn't work on me where

0:34:18.280 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 3>it's like your lipstick's much, so's your scar, so is

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:23.000
<v Speaker 3>your eyebrowp here?

0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 2>And your hair's greasy and what are you wearing.

0:34:28.360 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>One of my most horrifying memories is that when I

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.640
<v Speaker 1>was young and I was at UNI. Well it wasn't

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>unique because I didn't go to UNI famously, but it

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>was college let's call it that. There was a Halloween

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 1>party and only me and my friends went and costume.

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>What did you wear? I had painted my face white

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 1>and I had like a red lip that them was

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>like all bleeding down here like this, And so we

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:57.399
<v Speaker 1>got there and everybody was like I was just like

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm being cool, Like my makeup just smudge. Pity my

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 1>poor friend, like this is the party. And my other

0:35:10.600 --> 0:35:12.800
<v Speaker 1>friend had just gone as a ghost, but underneath she

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 1>was run a really hot black cat suit because she

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>was that girl. Yeah, she ripped it off through the

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>sheet off and she was really hot. And me with

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 1>my red lit steel all the way down here and

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm.

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:26.960
<v Speaker 4>Robert Smith from the Cure. Everyone's like, why do you

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.759
<v Speaker 4>look like? Everyone's like, what are you doing?

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:29.520
<v Speaker 1>You're like, it's Filloween.

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.959
<v Speaker 4>They're like, well, why are you scary?

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 3>After the break? Our best recommendations to set you up

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 3>for the weekend.

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 1>Vibes, ideas, atmosphere, something casual, something fun. This is my

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:46.759
<v Speaker 1>best recommendation.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Friday, so we want to help you with your

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:57.720
<v Speaker 3>weekend having some downtime with our very best recommendations. And honestly,

0:35:57.719 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>you're winning the recommendation game at the moment, and I'm not.

0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm not into I'm so behind on following M's recommendations

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:04.239
<v Speaker 3>because I just.

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Do nothing else.

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 4>It stresses me. Yeah, how long my list is? Go

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 4>and yours.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.319
<v Speaker 2>I took myself to the cinema to watch a new

0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 2>movie called The Drama Dying to hear the best thirty

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.720
<v Speaker 2>dollars I've spent I reckon thirty dollars?

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Can you believe that?

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.279
<v Speaker 2>Also for a second, can we talk about cinema etiquette?

0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 1>We definitely can.

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Okay, couple behind me, couple next to me, yappers.

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 2>The guy behind me from the get go like he

0:36:35.560 --> 0:36:37.480
<v Speaker 2>sits down and he's like, oh, I thought these were

0:36:37.520 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 2>going to be reclining seats. He's like, look how small

0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.080
<v Speaker 2>they are, and they were really nice seats, and then

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 2>the whole movie he's like, when do you reckon?

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>We can leave?

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:45.359
<v Speaker 2>These seats are hurting.

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that guy. And then the lady lady next.

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:57.719
<v Speaker 2>To me, we were sandwiched between her husband. She just

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:00.319
<v Speaker 2>had all these snacks that she then dropped for the

0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>movie to spend like at least five minutes picking up

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 2>all the snacks and then going, oh, for fu sake,

0:37:07.040 --> 0:37:10.279
<v Speaker 2>tropping them again. And then she's like, Ron, what's going on.

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't understand what's happening. And I'm like, this, we're

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:13.720
<v Speaker 2>in a shared space.

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.359
<v Speaker 1>People don't understand how we all paid, like we all

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.440
<v Speaker 1>paid thirty dollars to be here dollars.

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's because people are so used to watching stuff

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.319
<v Speaker 3>at home that if they just don't understand how to

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 3>be in public.

0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>And they're like, can we pause? I need the load

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.120
<v Speaker 1>and tell everyone what the drama is because I'm dying

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>to see it.

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 2>But so it's such a good movie. It's a really

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>really good movie. It stars Zendaya and Robert Patterson.

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>And no one really needs to know anything.

0:37:38.000 --> 0:37:41.880
<v Speaker 2>So hot they play a young couple who are about

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to have their wedding. Her name is Emma, his name

0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 2>is Charlie. And if you've watched the trailer of this

0:37:49.360 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 2>movie like me, you must be very excited to see

0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 2>it because there's a huge, huge spoiler that we all

0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of knew about in the trailer, and I wanted

0:37:57.840 --> 0:37:59.239
<v Speaker 2>to watch them. That's why I went to see It's

0:37:59.239 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 2>so hard.

0:37:59.800 --> 0:38:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Did tease it in the trailer because I don't think

0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I have seen the tailor. You're obviously going to tell

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 1>us the spoiler, but how do they like?

0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.040
<v Speaker 2>So in the trailer, what happens is that Emma and Charlie.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 2>You see them being like this very happy, good looking,

0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>fun rich couple. They do one of those dinner tastings

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.799
<v Speaker 2>before the wedding and they invite their best man and

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>maid of honor, who are also a married couple. And

0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:25.040
<v Speaker 2>then that couple said, before our wedding, we told each

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:26.600
<v Speaker 2>other the worst thing we've ever done.

0:38:26.680 --> 0:38:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, And they all go around no, no, no, no,

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 1>save that shit for chat GPT.

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 2>They all go around the table saying the worst thing

0:38:33.640 --> 0:38:36.520
<v Speaker 2>they've ever done, and then Zendaya's character Emma says the

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 2>worst thing she's ever done, which we don't know what

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:40.719
<v Speaker 2>it is, and then so it jumps cut you don't

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.800
<v Speaker 2>know what it is, and then the trailer just shows

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.520
<v Speaker 2>all of their reactions and they're all like, what the

0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>fuck are you actually serious? And then the trailer and

0:38:49.719 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the movie just goes into this big spiral of Robert

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Patterson's character Charlie just completely spiraling over what she said

0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>and whether or not you can and it just like

0:39:00.680 --> 0:39:02.600
<v Speaker 2>has this big question whether you can get past it,

0:39:02.640 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>where you can get past it, because it's kind of like,

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:08.760
<v Speaker 2>have you just found out that the person you're marrying

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't who you thought that who you thought they were?

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Kind of and I love that the thing.

0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:16.040
<v Speaker 2>She did is not very black and white. It's a

0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.080
<v Speaker 2>very gray area thing. So you come out of the

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>cinema talking to the person next to you going would

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>you have stayed? Would you have left? And it's just

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.320
<v Speaker 2>it's just very very interesting.

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Is it kind of ARTI or is it kind of

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:30.680
<v Speaker 1>rom comedy? Like what's the vibe?

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 2>It's a bit Artie in the sense where it does

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:36.080
<v Speaker 2>that thing where their imaginations play a bit wild. So

0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 2>something that is happening in the movie isn't actually happening

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.080
<v Speaker 2>in real life, so it does a lot of jump cuts.

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 2>You don't really know what's real what's not. But it's

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.480
<v Speaker 2>very linear, it's very easy to follow. It's also a

0:39:44.560 --> 0:39:46.919
<v Speaker 2>dark comedy, so there are some really funny, like laugh

0:39:46.920 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>out loud moments scenes, but it was very cleverly done.

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I will say is that it's definitely

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:55.280
<v Speaker 2>his movie robility. He's amazing in it, which was confusing

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to me because you have Sandea, yeah, but she like

0:39:57.920 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they really used her to a full

0:39:59.560 --> 0:40:01.920
<v Speaker 2>potential in this movie, and I think I wanted I

0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:04.240
<v Speaker 2>would have liked some more scenes with her in it,

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.919
<v Speaker 2>but it's definitely about him spiraling over what she did.

0:40:07.360 --> 0:40:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Do we like Robert Pattinson in general?

0:40:10.440 --> 0:40:11.120
<v Speaker 4>I think we do.

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:12.080
<v Speaker 1>I really do.

0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I think this movie cemented it for me, and I think.

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 4>He takes a piss out of himself, which we really enjoy.

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>He has managed to pull himself back from like sometimes

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 1>those kind of early movie roles can define you the

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>whole Twilight Year.

0:40:23.040 --> 0:40:25.839
<v Speaker 3>But he's like, Twilight was terrible, and it's like, on

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 3>the one hand, it was a long time ago.

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 4>That's the only way you have your career. On the

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:32.279
<v Speaker 4>other hand, it's true, and.

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Then I think he's around it again. He likes the Twilight.

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 2>He brings it up quite a lot in interviews. But

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the drama out in cinema is everyone watch it, like,

0:40:39.400 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 2>don't look up spoilers, do not do it.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 3>One quick question for you me, I only have time

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 3>to see one movie at the movies.

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, do this one.

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:49.840
<v Speaker 4>This one.

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 3>Hail Mary, Hail Mary, Like.

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 4>This is Taylor to me.

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 2>The only thing I think for you the drama. And

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.080
<v Speaker 2>it's mainly because like it will be spoiled, because everyone

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.040
<v Speaker 2>wants to write these big essays about.

0:41:02.719 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>It already the internet's already yea, but I still want

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:06.680
<v Speaker 1>to see it.

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's just so so good.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay, I want to see it. My recommendation is very

0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:18.360
<v Speaker 3>different and very duk. So it's called the birth Keepers

0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 3>podcast and it's by the Guardian Investigates. So, as I've

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.000
<v Speaker 3>said before on this show, I love a mini series.

0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>They've been very popular in podcast recommendations. I know everybody

0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>got behind Hometown Boys. Yes a minute, No it wasn't.

0:41:34.320 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 3>But sometimes you just need a mini series that you

0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 3>know it's it's going to end, so that you can

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.480
<v Speaker 3>you can get into it but not have to commit

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:42.800
<v Speaker 3>to another weekly show.

0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Because you're satisfying.

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because you know you've already got this weekly show.

0:41:46.360 --> 0:41:50.120
<v Speaker 3>So it's a podcast that's it's actually called Off Duty

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 3>by the Guardian investigates. But this is season five and

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.400
<v Speaker 3>it's a six part mini series and it's about the

0:41:56.440 --> 0:41:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Free Birth Society, which was a Facebook it still is

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 3>a Facebook group of podcasts, and it expanded into coaching

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:08.439
<v Speaker 3>and courses and it promoted wild pregnancy and birth, which

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 3>is essentially no medical involvement whatsoever, no blood tests, no scans,

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 3>no hospitals, and really like demonization of healthcare professionals. And

0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 3>with their courses, the Free Birth Society trained what they

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.920
<v Speaker 3>called like traditional midwives, which they then couldn't use that

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 3>term because it's protected.

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:29.880
<v Speaker 4>Or birth keepers.

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 3>And the idea was this is what people should be doing,

0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 3>which is just encouraging and mantras and all of that

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:37.600
<v Speaker 3>and no medical.

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Trith This already sounds fascinating.

0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So two journalists worked on a year long investigation

0:42:44.200 --> 0:42:47.840
<v Speaker 3>into the impacts of this movement on mothers and babies

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.879
<v Speaker 3>and communities, and it just goes to show the dangers

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:56.839
<v Speaker 3>of misinformation and how when you are marinating. There are

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.800
<v Speaker 3>so many women who say, I listened to every episode

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 3>of the podcasts that have been going for years and

0:43:01.680 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 3>years and years.

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 4>They listen to every episode they read.

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 3>The two women who sort of run it read all

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:11.120
<v Speaker 3>their work just listen to so many birth stories that

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to theirs and there might be an emergency,

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 3>they're just so almost brainwashed about what to do. And

0:43:20.080 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 3>the other thing I found fascinating about it is that

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 3>it goes into the dissemination of this information and how

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:30.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a little bit infiltrated different areas and you see

0:43:30.239 --> 0:43:34.279
<v Speaker 3>content online and you might read things, and it is

0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:40.800
<v Speaker 3>this free birth vibe. And obviously homebirth completely like there's

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 3>all sorts of research about homebirth and who it's appropriate for,

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.360
<v Speaker 3>and it's appropriate for many, many, many women. And the

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 3>difference between homebirth and free birth is that it's when

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:54.240
<v Speaker 3>somebody chooses to give birth without the assistance of any

0:43:54.320 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 3>healthcare professionals. And in many cases, for this society and

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 3>for this this the ethos around this was you avoid

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 3>hospital medical intervention at all costs. But I realized in

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 3>listening to this that I had internalized some of the

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 3>free birth messaging. There are all these like mantras that

0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:20.240
<v Speaker 3>you'll see about your body knows what it's doing, and trust,

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 3>like trust that your uterus will put your baby in

0:44:23.880 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 3>the right position. All this stuff where once you've been

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.440
<v Speaker 3>through it, you go hold on. That's not medically true

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.360
<v Speaker 3>and there are medical emergencies that are not your fault.

0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 3>So I was obsessed with this podcast. Trigger warning it's

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 3>probably not appropriate to listen to if you're pregnant for

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 3>some reason.

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:39.839
<v Speaker 4>I'm a weird.

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.239
<v Speaker 1>That's very that's a very classic yeah to do. I

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to tell my partner about it and

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 3>he's like, can you stop? This is really distressing, but

0:44:49.239 --> 0:44:52.319
<v Speaker 3>highly recommend questions investigation.

0:44:53.080 --> 0:44:54.960
<v Speaker 1>So it's from the Guardian, But if you're going to

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:56.720
<v Speaker 1>find it, you're going to find it an off duty.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:59.960
<v Speaker 3>It's called Off Duty Season five. It's called The birth Keepers.

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I've got a book. I think I feel like I'm

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>finally reading again because I was deep in writing for

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 1>most of the summer and for whatever reason, sometimes I

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:12.920
<v Speaker 1>just can't read when i'm writing. Even though that is

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<v Speaker 1>not good advice. We all know. Every writer knows you've

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<v Speaker 1>got to read and read and read it makes you

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<v Speaker 1>writing better. But sometimes know.

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<v Speaker 4>All the fancy writers say that they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really, but I felt like it stopped me from

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<v Speaker 1>reading a lot of books I wanted to read. And

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm getting through them and I'm feeling it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knew reading great? Love it books? Fabulous? Anyway, just anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>Claire and I went to Newcastle Writers Festival the other

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and I was on a panel with a writer

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<v Speaker 1>called Kate Milton Hall, who I'd known about for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time but I had never met. And she had

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<v Speaker 1>written a book called The Hiding Place that came out

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit after my book He would Never last year,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think it probably came out in the spring. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that. And I had avoided reading it because

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<v Speaker 1>it sounded really really like my book He would Never,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had avoided reading He would Never because it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded a lot like The Hiding Place and spoiler alert.

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<v Speaker 1>Writers are insecure weirdos, so we're all like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly read that book. It might be better than my

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<v Speaker 1>book whatever, blah blah blah. Anyway, then of course we

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<v Speaker 1>both ready to the books to do the panel. The

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<v Speaker 1>Hiding Place is so good. It is so good. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you did read my book and you liked it,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to love this. And if you haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>my book, then you should read it. But you should

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<v Speaker 1>also obviously go may the book. But it's the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why we thought they were similar is it's the premise

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<v Speaker 1>is similar in that The Hiding Place follows this group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends and family, actually some of them are related

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<v Speaker 1>from Melbourne, who go camping together every year. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>also the premise for He Would Never is that this family,

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<v Speaker 1>this group of friends go camping together every year. But

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, it veers off in different directions. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that is so great about this book, so

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<v Speaker 1>this group of friends, what they do is they get

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<v Speaker 1>together and they buy a disused mining town, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something that you see like literally advertised on the quite

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<v Speaker 1>often is there'll be some tiny country town that isn't

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<v Speaker 1>really a town at all, but maybe a pub and

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<v Speaker 1>a few old cottages that now is land for sale.

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<v Speaker 2>And this sounds like a start of a horrmone exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And so in The Hiding Place, this group of friends

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<v Speaker 1>and family and they've got lots of little kids and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, various relationships. Scenario is going on here, and

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<v Speaker 1>they decide to get together and buy this town it's

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<v Speaker 1>really just a pub and whatever and lots of beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>land and turn it into their idyllic, you know, off grid,

0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>free range parenting ideal, Right, And each one of the

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<v Speaker 1>group has a slightly different idea. One of them wants

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<v Speaker 1>to use it to plant a crop of maybe quite

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 1>hallucinogenic plants to make a lot of money, one of

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>them thinking maybe it can be an eco retreat. One

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.920
<v Speaker 1>of them wants to rewild it entirely. They're all. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's so delicious about this book is it really

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<v Speaker 1>skews that kind of Australian middle class. Like there are

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<v Speaker 1>other someone brings glow sticks and someone else's like, you

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<v Speaker 1>can't because they're not biodegradable, and someone like the other

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<v Speaker 1>blueberries organic and they're like, we have to pay respects

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<v Speaker 1>to the traditional owners.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, and they're like, maybe we shouldn't have

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<v Speaker 2>gone into business to go exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on the first night something calamitous happens. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the setup for the book. It is such

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<v Speaker 1>a good book and she has written it. It's so fast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those books that you can tear through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's set up very much like a crime novel told

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<v Speaker 1>from different perspectives. It is just great. I just absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. Disappeared into it. It's called that and it

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<v Speaker 1>has this really weird It's beautifully written. She's a very

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:36.200
<v Speaker 1>good writer, but it has this really weird, sort of

0:48:36.880 --> 0:48:40.680
<v Speaker 1>sinister lines through it, with this weird animal that's stalking

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<v Speaker 1>them and stuff. It's great anyway. It's called The Hiding Place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's by Kate Milton Hall and I thoroughly recommend it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm going to throw in an extra reco I

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<v Speaker 1>won't talk for long. It's really quick. Regular outlouders will

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<v Speaker 1>remember that. Last year Jesse, I think recommended Last One

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<v Speaker 1>Laughing UK.

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<v Speaker 4>She's watching it again now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Yeah. So The Last One Laughing is this comedy

0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>setup show where they put all the comedians in a

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<v Speaker 1>room and they have to try not to laugh. The

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<v Speaker 1>new season of the UK one is out now. It

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<v Speaker 1>is so funny and I'm watching it with the kids

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<v Speaker 1>and there is nothing. Even though a lot of them

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<v Speaker 1>are quite rude, like the Es. My kids are teenagers,

0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>so it's fine. We love watching it as a family

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<v Speaker 1>and we are all just dying laughing and you know

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<v Speaker 1>when it's just the pleasure of laughing till his stomach hurts,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's got Bob Bordemerone who won it last time.

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<v Speaker 1>He's come back to defend his title, and then some

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<v Speaker 1>other fantastic comedians. I love Dian Morgan, She's kunk, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that. Un yes, yes, yes, anyway, So if you

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<v Speaker 1>need something to laugh at, find Last One Laughing UK

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<v Speaker 1>Season two Absolute to die for short episodes. I'll shut

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<v Speaker 1>up so good. That is all we have time for

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