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Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast.

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Speaker 2: Mama Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and waters

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Speaker 3: Hello future builders, and welcome to She Built That, the

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Speaker 3: podcast where we discover incredible women who didn't just dream big,

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Speaker 3: they built their futures. Each week we uncover the stories

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Speaker 3: of remarkable women who didn't just reach for their dreams,

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Speaker 3: they engineered, assembled, and.

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Speaker 1: Blasted off towards them.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Annalise Todd, Mamma MIA's lifestyle writer and

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Speaker 3: just for today, your mission control. But let's not launch

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Speaker 3: until you've had a little challenge. Can you guess which

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Speaker 3: out of this world builder we're featuring today? Adults in

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Speaker 3: the room, don't hold back.

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Speaker 1: This is a competition, after all.

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Speaker 3: Number one, this Stella guest grew up gazing at the

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Speaker 3: Southern Hemisphere's stars, wondering not if, but how she might

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Speaker 1: Clue number two.

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Speaker 3: She's Australia's first locally trained female astronaut and has also

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Speaker 1: Clue number three.

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Speaker 3: She's passionate about helping girls and kids break through atmospheric

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Speaker 3: ceilings and has made it her mission to get more young.

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Speaker 3: Science, engineering and building their own futures. Can you guess

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Speaker 3: who it is? So did you get it? If you

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Speaker 3: guessed Catherine Barnell peg, you're orbiting right on target. Today

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Speaker 3: we're talking about engineer an Ossie astronaut Catherine Bannell Peck,

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Speaker 3: who's building a launch pad for the next generation. So

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Speaker 3: buckle up for liftoff, because after this break, your voyage begins.

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Speaker 3: A rocket sits silent on the launch pad, steam swirling

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Speaker 1: But inside the.

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Speaker 3: Crew room, Catherine Barnell pegs half pounds louder than the

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Speaker 3: countdown clock, her hands tremble, drawing tight.

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Speaker 3: This is it, the moment she spent a lifetime building towards.

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Speaker 3: But also the doubt sneaks in like gravity. Would she

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Speaker 3: in that rare company of astronauts. Picture this a young

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Speaker 3: what any nine year old on Sydney's Northern beaches would

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Speaker 1: You know if black holes are invisible?

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Speaker 3: How do we even know that they're not just intergalactic

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Speaker 3: And can I train my goldfish to be the first

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Speaker 3: Completely normal stuff. That was Catherine Barnell, peg endlessly curious

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Speaker 2: I used to like lying on the grass in my

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Speaker 3: Even as a kid, Catherine wasn't afraid of things that

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Speaker 3: Undeterred, Catherine made her own plans. She stacked on knowledge

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Speaker 3: seen at school, Catherine's curiosity sometimes set her apart.

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Speaker 3: High school ended and Catherine didn't follow the crowd. She

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Speaker 3: blazed her own trail. She studied space engineering, diving into

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Speaker 3: After years of building her skills, her confidence, her community,

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Speaker 3: the self doubt that never vanished entirely. Astronauts always live

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Speaker 2: The training itself is incredible, and this training for us

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Speaker 2: We did space food lessons. We learned about nutrition. Now

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Speaker 2: I remember we did centrifuge training where they spun us

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Speaker 3: One small step in a training exercise, but one giant leap.

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Speaker 2: For Australia, Catherine Barnell Peg is our country's first Femire.

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Speaker 1: Katherine Banell Peg.

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Speaker 3: Today, Catherine Barnell Peg is a builder in the truest sense.

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Speaker 3: She's opened the launch pad for more Australian girls to

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Speaker 1: We all saw on the dish.

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Speaker 3: And now she's inspiring the next wave of space builders,

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Speaker 2: Most people focus on the fat I'm a woman, rather

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Speaker 2: I think that demonstrates that there's a conversation worth having

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Speaker 3: So what advice would Catherine give to girls who dream

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Speaker 2: If any young person has a dream that they feel

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Speaker 2: I think that for those that are not sure what

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Speaker 2: would encourage you to think about what matters to you,

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Speaker 2: what's important to you, Think about what you want to

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Speaker 2: more important, I think, than thinking about what you want

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Speaker 2: to be. Think about what you want to contribute. You know,

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Speaker 2: fifty five years ago or so humans were walking on

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Speaker 2: frame things to be purpose driven. For those that might

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Speaker 2: say work hard, at school because performance does matter, but

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Speaker 2: you don't have to be top of your class. You

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Speaker 2: And if you're applying yourself to something you enjoy, you'll

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Speaker 3: So next time you stare at the sky or try

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Speaker 3: She didn't just dream of space, she built the path

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Speaker 1: You don't have to fit a mold.

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Speaker 3: You just have to start stacking your talents little by

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Speaker 3: little until those dreams look possible. Your challenge this week

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Speaker 3: find something you care about and take a first step,

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Speaker 3: write about it, draw a picture. What part do you

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Speaker 3: about your biggest What if? Dreams are built from questions?

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Speaker 1: Go ask yours.

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Speaker 3: Today's episode was written by Tom Lyon, who also did

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Speaker 3: our sound design. Our executive producer is Courtney Ammenhauser. The

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Speaker 3: producer is Tina Mattloff, and I'm your host, Annalise Todd.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to this season of She Built That.

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Speaker 3: We hope you've enjoyed our amazing stories. There could be

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Speaker 3: more to come watch this space. In the meantime, remember

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Speaker 3: incredible girls don't just dream, They build, happy building