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Speaker 3: Before we get started to day. Oh, actually, I've just

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Speaker 3: seen some breaking news. Have you guys seen that Channing

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Speaker 3: Tatum and Zoe Kravitz are no longer No. Just before

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Speaker 4: Care Like I was rooting for them.

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Speaker 2: I really liked them.

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Speaker 1: Why did they break up?

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Speaker 3: I don't have all the information yet, I've just got

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Speaker 2: Okay, as if they're ever going to tell us that,

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Speaker 2: why do you think they Okay, let's let's wildly speculate.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I want to speculate.

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Speaker 3: I think that they probably broke up before the Blink

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Speaker 3: they're like, by the way, we're not together anymore.

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Speaker 2: Just wildly speculating. Do you think Channing Tatum's maybe a

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Speaker 2: bet of a dick?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Channing Tatum is one of the good guys.

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Speaker 2: Are we sure.

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Speaker 1: I think she lost herself in that movie, and actually

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Speaker 1: pointed about how it was received. I thought it was great.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was a master well in support of

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Speaker 3: Zoe Kraviz, who is going through a tough time after

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Speaker 4: People should go and see the movie.

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Speaker 1: It's a really good It would be on streaming now.

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Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, okay, that was helpful.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, Jesse.

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Speaker 2: I like it when you bring celebrity gossip updates. That's

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Speaker 2: really messes with my head. Welcome, Welcome to Mama Mia

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Speaker 2: out Loud what women are actually talking about on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: the thirtieth of October. I'm Holly Wayne, right, I'm mea Friedman.

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Speaker 3: And I'm Jesse Stevens, and just a shout out to

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Speaker 3: all the out louders in far West New South Wales

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Speaker 3: around Broken Hill who you might have seen in the news.

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Speaker 3: They have been doing it really tough after a storm

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Speaker 3: caused a massive power outage. We're talking for a few days.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it that they didn't have power? And we've heard

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Speaker 3: stories of the superhuman efforts it took from within the

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Speaker 3: good luck sending.

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Speaker 1: You love it or so electricity Now.

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Speaker 2: On the show today, they admitted that they killed both

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Speaker 2: their parents and they might be about to get out

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Speaker 2: of jail. Why a TV show might be responsible for

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Speaker 2: freeing the Menandez brothers. And a popstar now makes more

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Speaker 2: money from posting her feet than people playing her songs.

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Speaker 2: Mia is not surprised because the Internet has rated her

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Speaker 2: feet four out of five. And Jesse knows everything about

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Speaker 2: a particular influence's spicy divorce. Mia and I know nothing.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to everything, nothing the what's her name?

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Speaker 5: Again?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Classy about someone I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All about aspen someone anyway, But first, Jesse Stevens.

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Speaker 3: In case you missed it, Giselle Bunchin is pregnant with

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Speaker 3: the most genic shit I've ever seen. First, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to give you a bit of a timeline. It's February

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Speaker 3: doing jiu jitsu with her trainer wuk Him. Valentae is

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Speaker 3: like people say the goat of the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and they're still married.

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Speaker 3: But her children were quite into the jiu jitsu, and

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Speaker 3: So she posts this Instagram video of her doing jiu

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Speaker 3: It was a dick move, exactly. So she then gets

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Speaker 3: whack Him and Gizelle officially start dating. Apparently they really

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Speaker 3: Then this week, a source told People magazine that Gizelle

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Speaker 3: Which brings me to Tom Brady and his Instagram story

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, oh, It's kind of like the view from

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Speaker 1: then the caption is can the Child within My Heart

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Speaker 1: Landslide by the Chicks. Well, Landslide is by Stevie Nicks,

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Speaker 1: But that's the thing. This is like something that you

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Speaker 3: Confirmed and they have feelings and we encourage those feelings, and.

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Speaker 2: I have no pity for Tom Brady, not even a

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Speaker 1: The voices you just heard were of Lyle and Eric Menendez,

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Speaker 2: I remember this time, Mia, I remember the coverage and

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Speaker 2: to go on and on and on and book deals.

440
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Speaker 2: So we can expect that this is going to be

441
00:20:56,127 --> 00:20:59,127
Speaker 2: a story that dominates the next however long and interesting

442
00:20:59,287 --> 00:21:00,927
Speaker 2: thanks to a Netflix documentary.

443
00:21:01,047 --> 00:21:05,007
Speaker 3: Well interestingly, the Netflix documentary actually cites TikTok because it

444
00:21:05,047 --> 00:21:07,567
Speaker 3: was a new generation of young people coming across this

445
00:21:07,687 --> 00:21:10,847
Speaker 3: case going hang on, on, what were you all doing

446
00:21:10,887 --> 00:21:14,007
Speaker 3: to these two men who claim to be victims of

447
00:21:14,047 --> 00:21:17,167
Speaker 3: sexual violence, And that is said to have spurred on

448
00:21:17,247 --> 00:21:19,767
Speaker 3: a lot of the renewed interest in the case. So, look,

449
00:21:19,807 --> 00:21:20,847
Speaker 3: TikTok's not all bad.

450
00:21:21,247 --> 00:21:24,127
Speaker 2: If this conversation's brought up anything for you or someone

451
00:21:24,127 --> 00:21:26,607
Speaker 2: that you know needs help, please take care. We have

452
00:21:26,607 --> 00:21:28,887
Speaker 2: popped some links to resources in the show notes.

453
00:21:29,567 --> 00:21:32,087
Speaker 3: In a moment, the celebrity who is selling photos of

454
00:21:32,127 --> 00:21:34,967
Speaker 3: her feet on the internet, and we discuss if this

455
00:21:35,007 --> 00:21:36,727
Speaker 3: should be MEA's new career venture.

456
00:21:51,127 --> 00:21:52,407
Speaker 2: How pretty are your feet?

457
00:21:52,527 --> 00:21:53,327
Speaker 1: What about mine?

458
00:21:53,527 --> 00:21:56,287
Speaker 2: I'm asking for a friend because Lily Allen is a

459
00:21:56,287 --> 00:21:58,927
Speaker 2: big deal pop star who is happy to admit that

460
00:21:59,007 --> 00:22:01,967
Speaker 2: she now makes more money selling pictures of her feet

461
00:22:02,087 --> 00:22:05,207
Speaker 2: on only fans than she does from people streaming her

462
00:22:05,287 --> 00:22:06,287
Speaker 2: music on Spotify.

463
00:22:06,407 --> 00:22:08,607
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's a big deal pop star anymore.

464
00:22:08,647 --> 00:22:11,447
Speaker 2: Like in all fairness, he's a household now she is,

465
00:22:11,527 --> 00:22:13,727
Speaker 2: and people listen to her own music like she still

466
00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:15,687
Speaker 2: she gets a lot of streams. Anyway, I'll get back

467
00:22:15,687 --> 00:22:17,127
Speaker 2: to that in a minute. I'm going to get back

468
00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:19,287
Speaker 2: to Lily in a minute. But bear with me while

469
00:22:19,327 --> 00:22:22,007
Speaker 2: I tell you something that I really didn't know until today,

470
00:22:22,447 --> 00:22:24,447
Speaker 2: which is that feet are a really big deal. Now.

471
00:22:24,527 --> 00:22:26,367
Speaker 2: I kind of knew it, you know, on the periphery,

472
00:22:26,407 --> 00:22:28,687
Speaker 2: but I'd never really given it much thought. And then

473
00:22:28,727 --> 00:22:31,607
Speaker 2: we were in our meeting this morning, we're talking about

474
00:22:31,607 --> 00:22:35,847
Speaker 2: the celebrity foot content that's on OnlyFans and Mia Friedman

475
00:22:35,967 --> 00:22:37,847
Speaker 2: brought up a site that I had never heard of

476
00:22:37,927 --> 00:22:41,807
Speaker 2: called Wiki feet, and happily shared that her feet. MIA's

477
00:22:41,887 --> 00:22:44,007
Speaker 2: feet have a very high rating on there. Now, to

478
00:22:44,047 --> 00:22:47,847
Speaker 2: be clear, the celebrity feet on Wiki feet are not

479
00:22:47,887 --> 00:22:51,207
Speaker 2: really there by consent. Some of them are, but most

480
00:22:51,207 --> 00:22:54,727
Speaker 2: of them are like incidental feet pictures. So today, for example,

481
00:22:55,007 --> 00:22:56,567
Speaker 2: celebrity foot of the day is.

482
00:22:56,527 --> 00:22:57,687
Speaker 1: Heidi Clum's full.

483
00:23:00,287 --> 00:23:02,447
Speaker 2: And she didn't necessarily campaign.

484
00:23:02,927 --> 00:23:04,767
Speaker 1: I have a new goal, I have a new career, god,

485
00:23:05,087 --> 00:23:08,527
Speaker 1: a new life goal. In fact, Heidi has a five

486
00:23:08,607 --> 00:23:12,767
Speaker 1: out of five for her feet. And also you'll find

487
00:23:12,767 --> 00:23:15,527
Speaker 1: they're are Mere Friedman's feet. How did you find out

488
00:23:15,567 --> 00:23:17,767
Speaker 1: that your feet were on Wiki feet? And what's your rating?

489
00:23:18,207 --> 00:23:20,407
Speaker 1: Can't believe I haven't told you guys this before every

490
00:23:20,447 --> 00:23:23,807
Speaker 1: soft and I think I must show them my page.

491
00:23:23,887 --> 00:23:25,847
Speaker 1: I can't remember how I found out. I found out

492
00:23:25,887 --> 00:23:28,847
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Someone said, oh, you're on Wiki feet.

493
00:23:28,967 --> 00:23:32,527
Speaker 1: How they knew is very interesting, But I went had

494
00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:35,767
Speaker 1: to look at my page and for a while I

495
00:23:35,887 --> 00:23:38,727
Speaker 1: was posting back when Instagram was a very different place.

496
00:23:39,127 --> 00:23:41,887
Speaker 1: I was posting photos of my shoes, you know, very

497
00:23:41,967 --> 00:23:44,647
Speaker 1: interesting shoes, and lots of different sandals every day, mostly

498
00:23:44,687 --> 00:23:48,807
Speaker 1: open toadshoes, fun shoes and a lot of them. Through

499
00:23:48,847 --> 00:23:52,247
Speaker 1: these shoes, you could see my feet. Struppy sandals, you know,

500
00:23:52,487 --> 00:23:57,447
Speaker 1: all those kinds of things, and someone collected them all.

501
00:23:58,087 --> 00:24:00,607
Speaker 1: And even full length photos where you could see my

502
00:24:00,687 --> 00:24:04,887
Speaker 1: feet that I just randomly posted Instagram usually or maybe

503
00:24:04,927 --> 00:24:08,087
Speaker 1: on Facebook at the time, and they've cropped into them,

504
00:24:08,367 --> 00:24:12,167
Speaker 1: and there are forty four pictures of my feet. It

505
00:24:12,167 --> 00:24:14,647
Speaker 1: says that my foot size is a size eight, which

506
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:17,367
Speaker 1: isn't true.

507
00:24:16,367 --> 00:24:18,847
Speaker 4: And no one tell us you're rating it's.

508
00:24:18,727 --> 00:24:19,527
Speaker 1: Four out of five.

509
00:24:19,647 --> 00:24:22,647
Speaker 3: That's not bad. It's not bad, it's not perfect. So

510
00:24:22,807 --> 00:24:24,847
Speaker 3: I've been on me as Wiki feet. I'm looking right

511
00:24:24,887 --> 00:24:27,647
Speaker 3: now and I'm trying to work out helping. That's exactly

512
00:24:27,647 --> 00:24:29,407
Speaker 3: what I was doing, because I found one picture that's

513
00:24:29,447 --> 00:24:31,087
Speaker 3: not the best picture of your feet.

514
00:24:31,127 --> 00:24:36,607
Speaker 1: I think it's my feet are little sausagesils. I've got

515
00:24:36,687 --> 00:24:39,967
Speaker 1: little sausage toes. On a list of my greatest assets,

516
00:24:40,167 --> 00:24:41,847
Speaker 1: I don't think it'd make the top fifty.

517
00:24:42,167 --> 00:24:43,807
Speaker 3: I would have nowhere near a four. But I think

518
00:24:43,847 --> 00:24:45,407
Speaker 3: that you've got to work on that Heidi.

519
00:24:45,207 --> 00:24:46,287
Speaker 2: Clumbs toes are really long.

520
00:24:46,367 --> 00:24:49,447
Speaker 1: But I don't know what you can do work. Is

521
00:24:49,487 --> 00:24:50,447
Speaker 1: there surgery for them?

522
00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,487
Speaker 2: I'm sure there is anyway back to Lily, So Lily Allen,

523
00:24:54,007 --> 00:24:57,007
Speaker 2: she charges ten dollars per month on her only Fans account,

524
00:24:57,047 --> 00:25:00,287
Speaker 2: which would come to at least ten thousand dollars. This

525
00:25:00,407 --> 00:25:03,647
Speaker 2: is US two monthly based on her subscriber num. Right,

526
00:25:03,687 --> 00:25:06,647
Speaker 2: so she's got about one thousand subscribers. I bet she's

527
00:25:06,647 --> 00:25:10,367
Speaker 2: got a ton more now because she's clever. Talked about

528
00:25:10,367 --> 00:25:11,727
Speaker 2: it on her podcast Stripe.

529
00:25:11,807 --> 00:25:14,687
Speaker 8: I have a lady that comes and does my nails

530
00:25:15,127 --> 00:25:17,967
Speaker 8: and they informed me that I have five stars on

531
00:25:18,047 --> 00:25:20,847
Speaker 8: Wiki feet, which is quite rare, but yes, that my

532
00:25:21,367 --> 00:25:24,287
Speaker 8: feet are rated quite highly on the internet.

533
00:25:24,527 --> 00:25:26,327
Speaker 1: What's the is wiki feet?

534
00:25:26,527 --> 00:25:28,207
Speaker 8: It's like a foot rate, It's.

535
00:25:28,087 --> 00:25:30,167
Speaker 2: A Wikipedia about your eight feet.

536
00:25:30,167 --> 00:25:31,567
Speaker 8: It's famous people feet.

537
00:25:31,647 --> 00:25:33,647
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what kind of money we're talking?

538
00:25:33,647 --> 00:25:35,927
Speaker 3: Because I watch Kardashians this week and Chloe Kardashian got

539
00:25:35,967 --> 00:25:37,967
Speaker 3: offered a million for something to do with her feet.

540
00:25:38,047 --> 00:25:40,327
Speaker 8: She said that I could make a lot of money

541
00:25:40,367 --> 00:25:44,047
Speaker 8: from selling my only bands and I'm like, not no.

542
00:25:44,487 --> 00:25:46,807
Speaker 2: And then some of the comments about this have said

543
00:25:46,847 --> 00:25:49,487
Speaker 2: things like imagine being one of the biggest pop stars

544
00:25:49,487 --> 00:25:52,367
Speaker 2: in Europe and then being reduced to this, to which

545
00:25:52,447 --> 00:25:56,447
Speaker 2: Lily replied, imagine being an artist and having nearly eight

546
00:25:56,527 --> 00:26:00,327
Speaker 2: million monthly listeners on Spotify, but earning more money from

547
00:26:00,367 --> 00:26:03,087
Speaker 2: having one thousand people subscribe to pictures of your feet.

548
00:26:03,487 --> 00:26:07,647
Speaker 2: Don't hate the player, hate the game? Friends, What do

549
00:26:07,727 --> 00:26:11,167
Speaker 2: we think is there any shi in earning money from

550
00:26:11,207 --> 00:26:12,727
Speaker 2: your feet? Jesse Stevens.

551
00:26:12,847 --> 00:26:15,567
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the story here is that Spotify

552
00:26:15,687 --> 00:26:19,167
Speaker 3: isn't paying their artists enough. So apparently you get between

553
00:26:19,287 --> 00:26:22,927
Speaker 3: zero points zero three and zero point zero zero five

554
00:26:23,287 --> 00:26:27,567
Speaker 3: cents per stream for artists, So even if you are

555
00:26:27,607 --> 00:26:30,727
Speaker 3: one of a really big artist like Lily Allen, then

556
00:26:31,087 --> 00:26:32,087
Speaker 3: it's still not enough.

557
00:26:32,127 --> 00:26:32,727
Speaker 1: That's why they have.

558
00:26:33,687 --> 00:26:36,967
Speaker 3: Exactly Look, this is the issue with capitalism is that

559
00:26:37,047 --> 00:26:39,927
Speaker 3: as women, our feet are valued more than our skills,

560
00:26:39,967 --> 00:26:41,167
Speaker 3: and I don't love that.

561
00:26:41,287 --> 00:26:42,767
Speaker 2: Do we know why feet?

562
00:26:43,847 --> 00:26:48,447
Speaker 3: I went, well, may or some of us spent our researching.

563
00:26:49,247 --> 00:26:50,087
Speaker 2: I didn't because.

564
00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:53,727
Speaker 1: Taking more photos of my open fans account. That's what

565
00:26:53,767 --> 00:26:54,847
Speaker 1: I've been doing in our prep time.

566
00:26:54,887 --> 00:26:56,647
Speaker 3: Do you have any guesses as to why foot fetish

567
00:26:56,687 --> 00:27:01,007
Speaker 3: is don't? So Apparently really smart people have done a

568
00:27:01,047 --> 00:27:04,407
Speaker 3: bunch of research, and apparently the part of the brain

569
00:27:04,647 --> 00:27:08,767
Speaker 3: that processes genital arousal is next door to the part

570
00:27:08,807 --> 00:27:11,887
Speaker 3: of the brain the processes the sensation people get from

571
00:27:11,927 --> 00:27:13,367
Speaker 3: their feet, So the.

572
00:27:13,327 --> 00:27:14,807
Speaker 4: Brain gets confused.

573
00:27:14,887 --> 00:27:18,407
Speaker 3: What do you mean, Apparently of all the bodily fetishes,

574
00:27:18,847 --> 00:27:22,247
Speaker 3: feet number one, like above boobs above, or.

575
00:27:22,207 --> 00:27:24,647
Speaker 1: Like all the norm more than bums?

576
00:27:24,727 --> 00:27:25,207
Speaker 4: Yep, yep.

577
00:27:25,567 --> 00:27:28,167
Speaker 2: Do you remember that scene in pulp fiction? You probably don't, Jessie,

578
00:27:28,167 --> 00:27:32,087
Speaker 2: whether discussing whether or not it's cheating to let someone else,

579
00:27:32,327 --> 00:27:34,167
Speaker 2: like of the opposite sex or the sexual attracted to

580
00:27:34,727 --> 00:27:37,847
Speaker 2: rob your feet because it's such an intimate thing.

581
00:27:37,967 --> 00:27:40,327
Speaker 1: Is intimate, very very intimate thing when you say, the

582
00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:43,327
Speaker 1: pleasure centers and next to each other, but when you're

583
00:27:43,327 --> 00:27:46,167
Speaker 1: looking at the picture of someone else's foot, that's not

584
00:27:46,207 --> 00:27:47,767
Speaker 1: anyone touching your no, no.

585
00:27:47,887 --> 00:27:49,927
Speaker 3: But I think that it's arousing because the part of

586
00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:52,287
Speaker 3: it's like if you saw a naked body, or like

587
00:27:52,527 --> 00:27:55,927
Speaker 3: if you're watching pornography, it's lighting up and your brain's

588
00:27:55,927 --> 00:27:56,567
Speaker 3: getting confused.

589
00:27:57,247 --> 00:27:57,847
Speaker 1: Feet love that.

590
00:27:58,247 --> 00:28:02,007
Speaker 3: Another fun fact about foot fetishes, they go up in

591
00:28:02,047 --> 00:28:06,927
Speaker 3: popularity during times of epidemics of STIs because it's a very.

592
00:28:06,807 --> 00:28:10,727
Speaker 1: Safe way to tin. Yeah, yeah, the plant to warts.

593
00:28:10,807 --> 00:28:13,407
Speaker 1: Oh my true. Someone had to bring up plan to

594
00:28:13,447 --> 00:28:16,847
Speaker 1: warts condoms on you. They need foot condoms. Do I

595
00:28:16,927 --> 00:28:18,007
Speaker 1: want to know what people.

596
00:28:17,807 --> 00:28:19,487
Speaker 2: Are doing with the feet pictures?

597
00:28:19,847 --> 00:28:22,967
Speaker 1: No, you don't, Okay, it's interesting to know, like if

598
00:28:22,967 --> 00:28:25,607
Speaker 1: you put pictures, is it a slippery slope? Do you

599
00:28:25,607 --> 00:28:28,287
Speaker 1: put feet pictures? And then I just finished a book

600
00:28:28,287 --> 00:28:30,567
Speaker 1: about a girl who started an OnlyFans account. It's called

601
00:28:30,607 --> 00:28:34,687
Speaker 1: Margo has money trouble and she should have maybe started

602
00:28:34,687 --> 00:28:38,447
Speaker 1: with her feet. She just went straight for Bob and Badge.

603
00:28:38,567 --> 00:28:40,327
Speaker 3: I mean, if feet are giving you the income that

604
00:28:40,407 --> 00:28:42,447
Speaker 3: you need, then you never need to share more, right,

605
00:28:42,487 --> 00:28:45,207
Speaker 3: And the thing about fate is that they can be anonymous.

606
00:28:45,247 --> 00:28:48,127
Speaker 1: You go into a niche. Oh that's very true, and

607
00:28:48,327 --> 00:28:48,567
Speaker 1: is it?

608
00:28:48,647 --> 00:28:51,007
Speaker 2: I mean really, there's no shame in just making money.

609
00:28:51,007 --> 00:28:53,727
Speaker 2: However you make money, right, So, Lily Allen, as you

610
00:28:54,047 --> 00:28:57,007
Speaker 2: started out by saying, Mia is not where she was

611
00:28:57,327 --> 00:29:00,767
Speaker 2: like fifteen years ago. However, she's still got a profile

612
00:29:00,807 --> 00:29:03,487
Speaker 2: and everything, and apparently she has very pretty feet.

613
00:29:03,567 --> 00:29:05,007
Speaker 4: I looked up her feet.

614
00:29:05,167 --> 00:29:08,567
Speaker 1: Are they lovely? Lovely? Do you want to feet as well?

615
00:29:08,687 --> 00:29:09,967
Speaker 4: I think are would?

616
00:29:10,647 --> 00:29:13,487
Speaker 3: But I went deep because I had to know what

617
00:29:13,567 --> 00:29:15,887
Speaker 3: makes a beautiful foot because of someone who doesn't have

618
00:29:15,927 --> 00:29:18,087
Speaker 3: a foot fetish I don't know what we're looking for,

619
00:29:18,127 --> 00:29:20,327
Speaker 3: so do you want to know what? Desperately I went

620
00:29:20,367 --> 00:29:22,167
Speaker 3: to a Reddit thread where a lot of like foot

621
00:29:22,167 --> 00:29:23,647
Speaker 3: fetishists said.

622
00:29:23,967 --> 00:29:25,127
Speaker 1: Committed to this research.

623
00:29:26,167 --> 00:29:29,647
Speaker 4: Okay, looks soft bottom.

624
00:29:29,767 --> 00:29:32,567
Speaker 3: They like seeing the foot from the bottom because they

625
00:29:32,607 --> 00:29:36,127
Speaker 3: can see that it like looks soft and supple, nice

626
00:29:36,127 --> 00:29:39,687
Speaker 3: size and shape. In terms of size, apparently the preference

627
00:29:39,847 --> 00:29:42,887
Speaker 3: smaller fate, so may or maybe that's why you're there.

628
00:29:42,127 --> 00:29:45,407
Speaker 1: I need to do a fact check because they say

629
00:29:45,407 --> 00:29:47,567
Speaker 1: my size is eight, but my size is actually.

630
00:29:47,247 --> 00:29:51,207
Speaker 2: I think contact admin immediately to get that corrected, because

631
00:29:51,247 --> 00:29:52,407
Speaker 2: you might get a better.

632
00:29:52,567 --> 00:29:57,567
Speaker 1: Better you have high arches, I don't think.

633
00:29:57,447 --> 00:30:00,567
Speaker 2: So, don't you don't anymore because remember how Perry makes

634
00:30:00,607 --> 00:30:05,607
Speaker 2: your foot flat. My foot got bigger value going down

635
00:30:05,647 --> 00:30:07,647
Speaker 2: on Wiki feet as well as everywhere else.

636
00:30:07,487 --> 00:30:07,927
Speaker 1: In the world.

637
00:30:07,967 --> 00:30:11,247
Speaker 4: As you get old, I like now polish.

638
00:30:11,367 --> 00:30:15,447
Speaker 1: I always went polish colored or neutral. They like colored.

639
00:30:15,487 --> 00:30:17,807
Speaker 2: Okay, I clumhard red toenails.

640
00:30:17,967 --> 00:30:22,247
Speaker 3: Long toes come up a lot. Long toes were really

641
00:30:22,287 --> 00:30:24,887
Speaker 3: into long toes, and there is a niche within the

642
00:30:25,007 --> 00:30:28,007
Speaker 3: niche of foot fetish content.

643
00:30:28,767 --> 00:30:30,447
Speaker 4: Greek feet. Do you know what Greek feet are?

644
00:30:31,607 --> 00:30:33,007
Speaker 1: I can't make my feet Greek.

645
00:30:33,767 --> 00:30:36,727
Speaker 3: You don't have Greek feet. A Greek foot is when

646
00:30:36,727 --> 00:30:39,567
Speaker 3: the second toe is longer than the big toe.

647
00:30:39,647 --> 00:30:44,327
Speaker 1: That's why clum that if I really stretch it, because

648
00:30:44,327 --> 00:30:48,207
Speaker 1: my big toes quite stumpy. If I really stretch my

649
00:30:48,407 --> 00:30:50,207
Speaker 1: second toes, I reckon, I can make it Greek.

650
00:30:50,327 --> 00:30:51,647
Speaker 4: I reckon that'll get your writing up.

651
00:30:51,687 --> 00:30:53,567
Speaker 2: Plumb could have picked up a banana with her toes.

652
00:30:53,647 --> 00:30:55,607
Speaker 4: People love a scar.

653
00:30:55,927 --> 00:30:56,647
Speaker 1: I've got a scar.

654
00:30:57,207 --> 00:30:58,127
Speaker 2: I've got a Bundyian.

655
00:30:58,967 --> 00:31:00,727
Speaker 1: Do you think that gets me more or less?

656
00:31:00,887 --> 00:31:03,207
Speaker 2: Posh? Spice has Budians extra matter.

657
00:31:02,967 --> 00:31:05,487
Speaker 1: About it out loudders. Just so you get a little

658
00:31:05,527 --> 00:31:08,647
Speaker 1: glimpse into behind the scenes and my brain. While Jesse

659
00:31:08,807 --> 00:31:12,367
Speaker 1: was research, I was coming up with entrepreneurial ideas. And

660
00:31:12,487 --> 00:31:15,047
Speaker 1: my idea was to take a photo of all our

661
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Speaker 1: and raise money for a charity. No one thought that

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Speaker 1: was a good idea, no one.

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Speaker 3: No one wants to see because we'd have to market

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Speaker 3: it and publicity.

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Speaker 1: And I have flat feet. And you made a good

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Speaker 1: point that you need to give away a lot of

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Speaker 1: content at the top of the funnel because you need

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Speaker 1: You can't just put up one photo.

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Speaker 3: Look at how hards Lily Allen has worked to get

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Speaker 3: a new audience.

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Speaker 2: And she's admitted to the entire world that her Spotify

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Speaker 2: streams are not commanding.

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Speaker 4: This could be a private fee.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question that I'd like to leave

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Speaker 1: everybody with. Do women have foot fetishes? Because you always

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Speaker 1: hear about.

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Speaker 3: Men having It's a lot more common in men, but yes,

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Speaker 3: some women do. Can an out louder, he's got.

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Speaker 4: A foot fetish? Can you just jump in and tell

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Speaker 4: us about it?

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Speaker 2: Got more questions and tell us what?

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Speaker 1: How? Why?

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Speaker 2: When I need to know every no judgment, not just

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Speaker 2: ques after the break the influencer who filed for divorce

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Speaker 2: on the same day she gave birth to her third child.

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Speaker 3: Every Tuesday and Thursday, we drop new segments of MUMMYA

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Speaker 3: out Loud just for MUMMYA subscribers. Follow the link in

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Speaker 3: the show notes to get your daily dose of out

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Speaker 6: Something about boy Mom's I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 6: I don't know why they do what they do there's

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Speaker 6: something about them, not all of them, not all, but

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Speaker 6: a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Aspen Ovard filing for divorce on the same day as

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Speaker 3: announcing the birth of her third child, and the ultimate

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Speaker 3: troll of a mother in law.

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Speaker 4: We've been talking.

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Speaker 3: About how our culture is so fractured that you either

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Speaker 3: know everything about a story or absolutely nothing. So where

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Speaker 3: does aspen Ovard in her divorce from Perry sit for.

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Speaker 1: You to do? Nothing?

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Speaker 2: Zira?

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Speaker 1: The words you just said, there's a lot of I

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Speaker 1: don't understand. There's a lot of nout aspen Ovard. Is

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Speaker 1: it a place and is it a recipe? Anyway?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Jesse, please inform us.

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Speaker 3: I do not promise that this matters. I do not

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Speaker 3: promise that this explanation will make you smarter. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I promise you it won't. But I do promise it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 3: Aspen Ovard is a person. I'm twenty eight years old

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Speaker 3: from Utah, and she is friends with a lot of

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Speaker 3: your friends from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

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Speaker 4: If anyone watched that show.

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Speaker 1: Got to get across that show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so she isn't Mormon, but she is Mormon adjacent.

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Speaker 3: She married a moment.

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Speaker 1: Oh even better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she actually started by doing beauty on YouTube, but

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Speaker 3: now she's best known for being in her divorce era

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Speaker 3: on TikTok, where she has one million followers. Aspen married

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Speaker 3: Parker Ferris eight years ago when she was just twenty.

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Speaker 2: Who could also be a place, park I'll meet you

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Speaker 2: on Parker Ferris.

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Speaker 1: Why don't anyone names anymore? They just got surnames in

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Speaker 1: a bunch.

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Speaker 3: They have three daughters. Now, if you were on TikTok

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Speaker 3: on April one this year, you would have seen updates

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Speaker 3: that our friend Aspen was giving birth to her third daughter.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations Aspen. Parker was there. Parker was pointing to her tummy,

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Speaker 3: being like, my little friend is in there. But something

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Speaker 3: else happened that day that she gave birth to this

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Speaker 3: third child, which she hasn't told us the name yet.

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Speaker 4: But on that day.

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Speaker 3: She she also filed for divorce from Parker's imagine filing

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Speaker 3: paperwork like during contractions. Yeah, I don't understand how that happened.

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Speaker 2: Should happen more divorcing you anyway, They should put like.

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Speaker 3: A little divorce pop up in the birthing water. Now,

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Speaker 3: this was all determined through court documents and Aspen said

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Speaker 3: nothing until August, so a few months later when she

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Speaker 3: posted this TikTok.

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Speaker 6: You see how I don't talk about my divorce online.

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Speaker 6: Very demurror very mindful. You see how I considered my

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Speaker 6: children and how it would affect them to have their

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Speaker 6: family's personal information shared all over the internet smarked very

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Speaker 6: good mom. You see how those magazines and websites wrote

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Speaker 6: articles sharing personal information that I hadn't shared yet when

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Speaker 6: I had just given birth to a premature baby who

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Speaker 6: was in nicu. Very trashy, very tacky. See how I

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Speaker 6: will continue to stay unbothered and not share anything to

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Speaker 6: protect my peace. Very demure, very mindful, very cutesy.

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Speaker 1: Very peaceful. That weird, that's peak TikTok. Can you explain

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Speaker 1: for the people? Everyone knows what the demure.

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Speaker 2: Was waiting for the right TikTok trend to come along

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Speaker 2: fit in with her divorce.

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Speaker 1: Divorce announcement I've.

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Speaker 4: Ever heard that, isn't it great?

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Speaker 2: Horrendous?

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Speaker 4: So she posts that the very mindful, very demult This.

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Speaker 3: Was at the height of that trend, which was a

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Speaker 3: creator who said that, and people put the sound over everything.

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Speaker 4: But look, she was unbothered.

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Speaker 3: She wasn't going to comment anymore until she was bothered

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Speaker 3: and she decided to make some comments. Here's what she's

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Speaker 3: told us. There was a betraying, but not cheating Parker.

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Speaker 3: Parker did something she will never forgive the friends.

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Speaker 1: Wait, there was a betrayal, but not cheating.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't cheating, but this Parker did something and she

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Speaker 3: will never forgive the friends who didn't tell her what

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Speaker 3: Parker did. But Aspen still hooks up with him regularly

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Speaker 3: and posts about it.

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Speaker 1: What her children Parker maybe Parker sent needs to rfk JR.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is where Parker's mom comes in. She posted

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Speaker 3: on her Instagram story Parker's mom did.

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Speaker 4: Yes, so Aspen's mother in law.

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Speaker 3: Oh now I'm interested, Okay, Well in law posts on

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Speaker 3: her Instagram story that she is a mama bear who

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Speaker 3: will always.

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Speaker 4: Protect her son.

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Speaker 3: It's true, similar to your content, Mayor whenever I shit

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Speaker 3: talk on this podcast, I need to show you the

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Speaker 3: video of what Aspen posted in response to the mother

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Speaker 3: in law story, because it is I've never felt so

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Speaker 3: spied in my whole life.

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Speaker 1: A picture of Aspen in like little shorts and a

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Speaker 1: tiny little singlet as if she's sitting on top of her,

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Speaker 1: Parka Parker thrusting around and writhing, and the caption is,

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Speaker 1: his mum can't do what I can with lots of peach,

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Speaker 1: em juice, s emojuice.

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Speaker 4: I want to do this trend so badly.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what the caption reads. She might be

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Speaker 3: a mama bear, but I am mother.

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Speaker 1: Oh mother, so internet parlance, mother just means like Beyonce's mother.

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Speaker 1: Mother just means like you're an omnipotent queen queen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they're still Jesse.

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Speaker 1: When we when we throw down, it's going to be glorious.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be so fun.

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Speaker 3: So public's gonna have to take a side.

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Speaker 1: You need to reenact.

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Speaker 4: I will, I will so oh and there's a bit

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Speaker 4: that's out.

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Speaker 2: There's just no like, what world is it?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to think about his mother having sex

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Speaker 2: with him and that's what she's made us at all though?

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Speaker 4: Isn't it about Parker and his mother?

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Speaker 1: So rude? So I didn't want to go there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's what that's suggesting.

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Speaker 4: That is fun. Admit, it's fun. Let's look, it's made people.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's more like I didn't see it. The mother

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Speaker 1: in law's having sex with her son.

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Speaker 2: I did not know. I didn't mean that she was

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Speaker 2: implying that they were. But what I meant was she

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Speaker 2: was literally saying, I can gyrate on your site and

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Speaker 2: you can't. That is just something that.

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Speaker 1: We don't need to be discussed. However it is. Actually,

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Speaker 1: it is pretty fact.

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Speaker 3: Actually it's the detail we all needed to know. So

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Speaker 3: they're still hooking up Aspen is posting fabulous content of

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Speaker 3: her looking very glamorous with a sound over the top

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Speaker 3: about how she's in her divorce marm aesthetic. She's constantly

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Speaker 3: responding to comments with theories as to why they've split.

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Speaker 3: She's asking what to do with her wedding dress after divorce.

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Speaker 3: She's telling us that his mum knew about this portrayal.

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Speaker 3: And she's got a video getting ready for a booty call,

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Speaker 3: which is sponsored, and she's talking about how this hair

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Speaker 3: product is winned.

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Speaker 1: Her booty call is sponsored.

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Speaker 3: Okay, her booty call video. She's getting ready for a

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Speaker 3: booty call and she's doing and everything from Parker or two. Well,

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Speaker 3: in case you're wondering, she tells us it's a hair

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00:39:23,207 --> 00:39:25,727
Speaker 3: product that she's advertising, and she's going this hair product

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Speaker 3: is whipped and this is a quote. It's perfect because

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Speaker 3: my ex is also whipped and that's why he's on

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Speaker 3: his way over.

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Speaker 4: That is a great ad.

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Speaker 2: That is paid content.

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Speaker 3: Point is she's making bank with sponsored posts. This has

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Speaker 3: certainly helped with her content creation. But the big question,

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Speaker 3: of course, is what did Parker do? Yeah, I asked

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Speaker 3: the Mum mayor office because I thought that some of

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00:39:45,607 --> 00:39:47,527
Speaker 3: them would know, and a lot of them said, it's

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Speaker 3: been keeping me up at night. I think there's been

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Speaker 3: sick days in the office because they're like, I have

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Speaker 3: some investigating to do. They think that Parker has done

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Speaker 3: something with her money because she's the breadwinner. Maybe he

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Speaker 3: was stealing her money or giving it to a family,

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Speaker 3: or maybe there was some.

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Speaker 1: But then how would her friends know?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I suppose if he's been giving money to

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Speaker 3: his family or something, then all the family knew and

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Speaker 3: they weren't telling her.

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Speaker 1: I feel like if it was a sexual betrayal, she

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to keep having sex with him, would she.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 3: This is my theory, which is a bit controversial. I

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Speaker 3: reckon it's something to do with the kids, something to

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Speaker 3: do with the three kids. I don't know what, not

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Speaker 3: that he hurt them, but just that there was some

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Speaker 3: family secret, because there's just a coincidence between the day

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Speaker 3: the third daughter was born and filing for divorce, and

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Speaker 3: maybe that's why she's not telling her to take the kids.

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Speaker 1: Would like to stop myself before. Maybe there's a dictionary shit.

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Speaker 2: That seems like a better thing had to do with

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Speaker 2: my time that listen to this anymore.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of divorce, in case you missed it, there's a

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Speaker 1: new term that's helping partners get a good night's sleep

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Speaker 1: and not let their marriage break down. So it's actually

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Speaker 1: a thing to do so you don't get divorced because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have issues with snoring partners or

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00:41:01,767 --> 00:41:05,367
Speaker 1: also just in my relationship, it's about different sleep hygiene,

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Speaker 1: meaning my husband likes everything to be very dark, very quiet,

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Speaker 1: to be mindful. No, he likes things to be warmer.

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00:41:13,007 --> 00:41:15,847
Speaker 1: I like things to be very cold, very light, very

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Speaker 1: stimulating visually, and with my phone before I go to bed,

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00:41:19,447 --> 00:41:21,367
Speaker 1: I like to fall asleep and literally have my phone

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Speaker 1: knock me on the head. And so we have very

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Speaker 1: different sleep styles. So a lot of couples are getting

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Speaker 1: a sleep divorce, which means that they're sleeping in different

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Speaker 1: rooms rather than sharing.

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Speaker 4: Would you ever do this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd love to do this really well more just

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Speaker 1: I'd love my own room like I love my husband,

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Speaker 1: and I wouldn't necessarily sleep in there all the time.

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Speaker 1: But Hold and I were talking about this the other day.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been with my husband for like thirty

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Speaker 1: almost thirty years. I want my own room. It's the

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Speaker 1: same get my own room.

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Speaker 2: That does the same fat that you grow up and

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Speaker 2: you don't get your own room.

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Speaker 1: I don't get to chose the decorations. I don't get

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Speaker 1: to choose the temperature. I don't get to choose the

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Speaker 1: music or not. I want my own room.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's all we've got time for.

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Speaker 1: I have one thing. Oh, there's facts along with this story.

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Speaker 1: One in twenty owners have remortgaged their homes to get

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Speaker 1: a bigger house by moving or extending their existing property

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Speaker 1: so they can have separate bedrooms. In London, that figure

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Speaker 1: is one in ten.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy because stately, moly, is that why you move

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Speaker 2: to the country home. We still don't have that many bedrooms,

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Speaker 2: but hey, maybe one day that is all we've got

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Speaker 2: time for. Thank you. For being with us out loud.

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Speaker 2: As group chat continues tomorrow. We hope you'll join us then.

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Speaker 4: Before we go.

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Speaker 3: We all know the stats around domestic and family violence

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Speaker 3: in Australia. Every two minutes a woman reports this kind

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Speaker 3: of abuse, which is why you've probably heard us talking

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Speaker 3: about how we at Mum and may Our support Rise Up.

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Speaker 4: They deliver life changing.

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Speaker 3: Practical support to women and children who find themselves left

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Speaker 3: with literally just the clothes on their backs. And Amcal

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Speaker 3: Pharmacy has also partnered with Rise Up, a pharmacy that

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Speaker 3: cares for families, supporting some of the most vulnerable people

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Speaker 3: in the community.

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Speaker 1: Rise Up are amazing. Give them a follow so check

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Speaker 1: out what they do. Support them in any way that

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Speaker 1: you can. You know, it's all about women supporting other

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Speaker 1: women and also the men who are supporting the women

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Speaker 1: making a difference with domestic violence.

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Speaker 2: Shout out to any Mamma Mia subscribers listening. If you

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Speaker 2: love the show and you want to support us, subscribing

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Speaker 2: to Mamma Mia is the very best way to do it.

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Speaker 2: There's a link in the episode description