1 00:00:08,234 --> 00:00:10,953 Speaker 1: You're listening to a MoMA Mia podcast. 2 00:00:14,394 --> 00:00:18,034 Speaker 2: Today is a different show than usual, because today is 3 00:00:18,074 --> 00:00:21,754 Speaker 2: a different day. Last night, as the light was fading 4 00:00:21,794 --> 00:00:25,674 Speaker 2: at Bondi Beach, Australia suffered its worst ever terrorist attack 5 00:00:25,714 --> 00:00:29,034 Speaker 2: on our soil when two gunmen opened fire on a 6 00:00:29,034 --> 00:00:34,754 Speaker 2: family celebration of the Jewish religious festival of lights Hannekah. Today, 7 00:00:34,954 --> 00:00:37,394 Speaker 2: we're all, whether we're connected to the place in the 8 00:00:37,434 --> 00:00:40,394 Speaker 2: community or whether we're watching and reading from far away, 9 00:00:41,273 --> 00:00:44,954 Speaker 2: reeling with the loss of As we record this, fifteen 10 00:00:45,034 --> 00:00:47,354 Speaker 2: innocent people, including. 11 00:00:46,913 --> 00:00:48,393 Speaker 3: A ten year old child. 12 00:00:48,593 --> 00:00:51,313 Speaker 2: More than forty people are still in hospital, including two 13 00:00:51,394 --> 00:00:55,514 Speaker 2: police officers and more children. As we're recording and throughout 14 00:00:55,514 --> 00:00:57,993 Speaker 2: the day, the identities of those affected are coming to 15 00:00:58,074 --> 00:01:02,514 Speaker 2: light and it's just unthinkably sad and very frightening. So 16 00:01:02,554 --> 00:01:05,554 Speaker 2: today on Mamma Mia out Loud, we're here to talk. 17 00:01:06,314 --> 00:01:09,754 Speaker 2: And joining me for this talk are Jesse Stevens, Amelia 18 00:01:09,834 --> 00:01:15,394 Speaker 2: Lester and Mia Friedman. Mia, thank you for coming back 19 00:01:15,434 --> 00:01:19,354 Speaker 2: to the mic today. This attack did happen in your 20 00:01:19,354 --> 00:01:24,634 Speaker 2: community and close to home. Let's start with why last night, 21 00:01:25,874 --> 00:01:29,834 Speaker 2: what kind of gathering that was at the beach for Hannakah? 22 00:01:29,914 --> 00:01:33,954 Speaker 4: Yeah, first of all, thanks to all the out louders 23 00:01:33,954 --> 00:01:36,514 Speaker 4: who've reached out the kindness, and I know we're going 24 00:01:36,554 --> 00:01:38,514 Speaker 4: to talk about that more shortly, but the kindness that 25 00:01:38,594 --> 00:01:42,874 Speaker 4: has been shown by so many people has been quite overwhelming. 26 00:01:43,434 --> 00:01:48,994 Speaker 4: Hannakhah is just a really simple, happy festival. It's called 27 00:01:48,994 --> 00:01:53,194 Speaker 4: the Festival of Light. Ironically, it is a festival that 28 00:01:53,394 --> 00:01:58,274 Speaker 4: is about celebrating the triumph of light over darkness, and 29 00:01:58,754 --> 00:02:02,994 Speaker 4: it sort of celebrates this old story of a small 30 00:02:03,074 --> 00:02:07,114 Speaker 4: band of Jewish people who won against a much bigger empire. 31 00:02:07,434 --> 00:02:08,954 Speaker 4: And there was a tiny bit of oil that should 32 00:02:08,954 --> 00:02:11,754 Speaker 4: have lasted one day, but somehow, by a miracle, it 33 00:02:11,913 --> 00:02:15,194 Speaker 4: kept a sacred flame burning fight. So over the eight 34 00:02:15,274 --> 00:02:17,434 Speaker 4: days of Hunterkah, we like candles and we tell the 35 00:02:17,474 --> 00:02:20,034 Speaker 4: story and we eat lots of treats. So it's sort 36 00:02:20,034 --> 00:02:22,114 Speaker 4: of like a bit of a Christmas equivalent. You know, 37 00:02:22,154 --> 00:02:25,714 Speaker 4: some people give presents. It's very family and children based. 38 00:02:25,754 --> 00:02:27,994 Speaker 4: It's a very sort of happy festival. 39 00:02:28,474 --> 00:02:34,554 Speaker 5: And this festival in Bondai last night was you know, 40 00:02:34,914 --> 00:02:39,034 Speaker 5: face painting, There was a petting zoo, there was food 41 00:02:39,074 --> 00:02:42,714 Speaker 5: stands all all set up, and a gathering of. 42 00:02:44,354 --> 00:02:46,633 Speaker 6: So many Jewish people. 43 00:02:47,074 --> 00:02:50,154 Speaker 5: You know, some of whom we know are out louders, 44 00:02:50,194 --> 00:02:54,754 Speaker 5: and when I've been to synagogue with you Maya, we 45 00:02:54,794 --> 00:02:59,073 Speaker 5: are often approached by out louders from that community. And 46 00:02:59,394 --> 00:03:03,034 Speaker 5: I think that just first up in terms of who 47 00:03:03,034 --> 00:03:08,754 Speaker 5: we're thinking about today, that community, who who were there, 48 00:03:08,834 --> 00:03:14,394 Speaker 5: who had this moment of peace and safety interrupted and 49 00:03:14,994 --> 00:03:20,633 Speaker 5: you know, horrifically traumatically how that unfolded. We're just thinking 50 00:03:20,674 --> 00:03:22,954 Speaker 5: of them, and we're thinking of everyone who had to 51 00:03:22,994 --> 00:03:26,274 Speaker 5: send messages and check on their family who were there 52 00:03:26,914 --> 00:03:30,194 Speaker 5: and who have experienced the unthinkable overnight. 53 00:03:30,834 --> 00:03:34,874 Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels a lot of people have said, you know, 54 00:03:35,234 --> 00:03:37,474 Speaker 4: obviously for those who don't know I'm Jewish, there are 55 00:03:37,474 --> 00:03:40,274 Speaker 4: some people that might not know that I'm some out 56 00:03:40,274 --> 00:03:41,914 Speaker 4: louders or people who are new to the show who 57 00:03:41,954 --> 00:03:43,954 Speaker 4: might not realize that I'm Jewish, But I am Jewish. 58 00:03:44,154 --> 00:03:49,594 Speaker 4: And a lot of people have said, you know, how 59 00:03:49,594 --> 00:03:53,994 Speaker 4: do you feel? And the sentiment there's a million things, 60 00:03:54,034 --> 00:03:57,234 Speaker 4: and I can't obviously speak for my whole community. I 61 00:03:57,234 --> 00:04:00,474 Speaker 4: can only speak for myself. But what people keep saying 62 00:04:00,834 --> 00:04:05,034 Speaker 4: is we are shocked, but we are not surprised because 63 00:04:05,034 --> 00:04:09,834 Speaker 4: to be Jewish living in any country, you grow up 64 00:04:09,874 --> 00:04:14,394 Speaker 4: with a really acute awareness that there are a lot 65 00:04:14,434 --> 00:04:18,313 Speaker 4: of people who hate Jews and that your safety is 66 00:04:18,354 --> 00:04:22,433 Speaker 4: always precarious, particularly during gatherings. 67 00:04:22,993 --> 00:04:26,553 Speaker 5: And that's why the presence of security is someone who's 68 00:04:26,594 --> 00:04:30,833 Speaker 5: been welcomed into the Eastern Suburbs Jewish community as an outsider, 69 00:04:31,513 --> 00:04:33,953 Speaker 5: to go to a place of worship and see people 70 00:04:33,953 --> 00:04:37,633 Speaker 5: standing out the front, with standing out the front as 71 00:04:37,674 --> 00:04:39,553 Speaker 5: security is not something you see when you walk. 72 00:04:39,433 --> 00:04:42,753 Speaker 4: Into a Catholic church, no, And it's interesting because we 73 00:04:42,834 --> 00:04:47,033 Speaker 4: take that sofa granted, like you know, there's raizor wire 74 00:04:47,113 --> 00:04:49,953 Speaker 4: around our schools and our preschools and our daycare centers, 75 00:04:49,993 --> 00:04:54,514 Speaker 4: and there is a whole volunteer security army of Jewish 76 00:04:54,513 --> 00:04:57,873 Speaker 4: people that work to try and keep the community safe. 77 00:04:57,873 --> 00:05:00,953 Speaker 4: And most Jewish events are kept very very secret for 78 00:05:01,034 --> 00:05:07,514 Speaker 4: this exact reason always. And what's interesting, this particular Hanuka 79 00:05:07,594 --> 00:05:11,193 Speaker 4: gathering was by the Hubbard community, which is you know, 80 00:05:11,274 --> 00:05:14,594 Speaker 4: like any religion, there's a there's a spectrum of degrees 81 00:05:14,633 --> 00:05:19,593 Speaker 4: of observance observance, yeah, exactly, And the Hubbard community is 82 00:05:19,714 --> 00:05:22,794 Speaker 4: very open and they're very you know, one of the rabbis, 83 00:05:23,594 --> 00:05:25,713 Speaker 4: the rabbi that was killed, the organizer of the event 84 00:05:26,354 --> 00:05:29,953 Speaker 4: who goes by the handle on Instagram at Bondai Rabbi. 85 00:05:31,393 --> 00:05:34,914 Speaker 4: He was very welcoming. You know, he just had his 86 00:05:35,193 --> 00:05:38,113 Speaker 4: fifth child six weeks ago and he was posting on 87 00:05:38,154 --> 00:05:40,993 Speaker 4: social media. He sort of uses social media to try 88 00:05:41,034 --> 00:05:45,634 Speaker 4: and and break down some of the anti Semitism and 89 00:05:46,034 --> 00:05:49,953 Speaker 4: to promote, you know, the religion as a as a 90 00:05:49,953 --> 00:05:50,873 Speaker 4: really positive thing. 91 00:05:51,113 --> 00:05:54,833 Speaker 7: I mean, the New South Wales Police commissioner mentioned I 92 00:05:54,914 --> 00:05:59,873 Speaker 7: noticed that the Jewish community does have their own security force, 93 00:05:59,953 --> 00:06:01,394 Speaker 7: which I did not know about. 94 00:06:01,873 --> 00:06:02,593 Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. 95 00:06:02,753 --> 00:06:05,833 Speaker 4: It's a lot of I have a lot of friends 96 00:06:05,873 --> 00:06:09,193 Speaker 4: and relatives of friends. 97 00:06:09,274 --> 00:06:10,394 Speaker 1: Of people of all ages. 98 00:06:10,953 --> 00:06:17,073 Speaker 4: But it takes you know, our synagogues and our any 99 00:06:17,274 --> 00:06:20,674 Speaker 4: Jewish gathering is we need a huge amount of protection 100 00:06:21,234 --> 00:06:23,553 Speaker 4: and you grow up knowing it, and you know, I 101 00:06:23,594 --> 00:06:26,873 Speaker 4: always say that they're purely volunteers, but they're very you know, 102 00:06:26,914 --> 00:06:29,513 Speaker 4: they're well trained, and my heart's also with them today 103 00:06:29,513 --> 00:06:33,313 Speaker 4: because their whole purpose is to try and keep our 104 00:06:33,354 --> 00:06:34,474 Speaker 4: community safe. 105 00:06:35,313 --> 00:06:37,794 Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with Bondai Beach, it sounds kind 106 00:06:37,794 --> 00:06:39,674 Speaker 2: of like a silly thing to say, because it's no 107 00:06:39,753 --> 00:06:42,113 Speaker 2: doubt one of the most famous places in Australia. But 108 00:06:42,154 --> 00:06:43,594 Speaker 2: there are be lots of people listening to this who've 109 00:06:43,594 --> 00:06:46,274 Speaker 2: never been there. Right, So Bondi is in these and 110 00:06:46,313 --> 00:06:50,513 Speaker 2: suburbs of Sydney. It is intensely international. Anyone who would 111 00:06:50,553 --> 00:06:52,394 Speaker 2: have been watching the news coverage last night would have 112 00:06:52,433 --> 00:06:55,794 Speaker 2: been struck by the all the different accents from all 113 00:06:55,834 --> 00:06:57,634 Speaker 2: over the world of the people who were caught up 114 00:06:57,714 --> 00:07:02,034 Speaker 2: in this horrific event yesterday. So it attracts people from 115 00:07:02,474 --> 00:07:04,594 Speaker 2: all over Sydney and all over the country and all 116 00:07:04,594 --> 00:07:06,993 Speaker 2: over the world to see this beautiful beach and ye 117 00:07:07,154 --> 00:07:11,994 Speaker 2: yesterday in Sydney was a stunning summer day and at 118 00:07:12,034 --> 00:07:15,034 Speaker 2: about six thirty seven o'clock on an eastern suburb city 119 00:07:15,034 --> 00:07:18,354 Speaker 2: beach when the weather is like this, there are thousands 120 00:07:18,393 --> 00:07:21,033 Speaker 2: of people. So there was this very particular gathering. 121 00:07:21,754 --> 00:07:25,434 Speaker 4: There's just on one part in the park behind the beach. 122 00:07:25,274 --> 00:07:27,953 Speaker 2: Yes in a very specific place on the beach. But 123 00:07:28,034 --> 00:07:31,594 Speaker 2: then all around them there were backpackers, there were surfers, 124 00:07:31,674 --> 00:07:34,074 Speaker 2: there are families with their kids, there are people walking 125 00:07:34,114 --> 00:07:39,154 Speaker 2: their docks, there are people exercising. This place is very busy, 126 00:07:39,274 --> 00:07:42,554 Speaker 2: it's very populous, and I think one of the things 127 00:07:42,554 --> 00:07:46,754 Speaker 2: that is so striking about this is that sort of 128 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:51,234 Speaker 2: peace and different degrees of celebration being so horrifically disrupted. 129 00:07:51,834 --> 00:07:52,354 Speaker 5: But for the. 130 00:07:52,354 --> 00:07:55,473 Speaker 2: Local community there, the eastern suburbs of Sydney has I 131 00:07:55,474 --> 00:07:59,274 Speaker 2: think the second largest concentration of Jewish people in the country. 132 00:07:59,594 --> 00:08:00,393 Speaker 1: So it's interesting. 133 00:08:00,434 --> 00:08:03,874 Speaker 4: The Bondai community is incredibly tight and I've spent time 134 00:08:03,953 --> 00:08:07,593 Speaker 4: living in Bondai as well, and you know a huge 135 00:08:07,674 --> 00:08:10,153 Speaker 4: number of non Jewish people of course that live in Bondai, 136 00:08:10,234 --> 00:08:13,594 Speaker 4: but the Jewish community is also very close knit. And 137 00:08:14,434 --> 00:08:17,114 Speaker 4: you write the concentric circles of those two things overlap 138 00:08:17,274 --> 00:08:22,953 Speaker 4: very much. And you know the geography is such because 139 00:08:22,994 --> 00:08:26,713 Speaker 4: you might have seen bits in online or in the news. 140 00:08:26,754 --> 00:08:28,874 Speaker 4: It's like there's Campbell Parade, which is the main road 141 00:08:28,914 --> 00:08:30,434 Speaker 4: that runs from one end of the beach to the other. 142 00:08:30,514 --> 00:08:33,833 Speaker 4: Then in front of that is like there's a bit 143 00:08:33,834 --> 00:08:35,794 Speaker 4: of a car park, and there was that bridge where 144 00:08:35,794 --> 00:08:38,634 Speaker 4: the terraces were, and then there's a park that goes 145 00:08:38,634 --> 00:08:39,234 Speaker 4: from one end. 146 00:08:39,114 --> 00:08:39,434 Speaker 3: To the other. 147 00:08:39,514 --> 00:08:43,514 Speaker 4: Then there's the promenade, and then there's the beach. And 148 00:08:43,594 --> 00:08:47,594 Speaker 4: so the where this happened was set up almost like 149 00:08:47,634 --> 00:08:49,594 Speaker 4: a little fate, as you said, Jess, with like a 150 00:08:49,634 --> 00:08:53,674 Speaker 4: petting zoo and little little market stalls and things. 151 00:08:53,514 --> 00:08:56,474 Speaker 5: And in order to if you are walking to the 152 00:08:56,554 --> 00:08:58,714 Speaker 5: children's park, you would go over that bridge like you would. 153 00:08:58,834 --> 00:09:01,514 Speaker 4: Yeah, we've all been across that absolutely many times. 154 00:09:01,554 --> 00:09:04,274 Speaker 6: And you know at that time there are still people 155 00:09:04,514 --> 00:09:07,514 Speaker 6: swimming like it's a surface in the water. 156 00:09:07,554 --> 00:09:10,834 Speaker 5: A very popular time and I can't think of many 157 00:09:10,874 --> 00:09:14,434 Speaker 5: places in the world, in fact, where you would feel 158 00:09:14,434 --> 00:09:20,434 Speaker 5: safer than sitting on the grass there in Bondai with 159 00:09:21,354 --> 00:09:30,274 Speaker 5: that incredible, that calmness, that sereneness like and I think 160 00:09:30,314 --> 00:09:33,274 Speaker 5: as someone who didn't grow up in the Eastern Suburbs 161 00:09:33,274 --> 00:09:37,914 Speaker 5: but has moved there, you can't look at the Eastern 162 00:09:37,914 --> 00:09:42,474 Speaker 5: Suburbs without without the Jewish presence, Like I think it's 163 00:09:42,514 --> 00:09:45,514 Speaker 5: one third of the Jewish population in Australia lives in 164 00:09:45,514 --> 00:09:47,874 Speaker 5: the Eastern Suburbs. And you see on a Friday night 165 00:09:48,314 --> 00:09:51,514 Speaker 5: you see the men in their killers or traditional Jewish 166 00:09:52,194 --> 00:09:54,834 Speaker 5: dress and that is part of living in the Eastern Suburbs. 167 00:09:54,914 --> 00:09:57,674 Speaker 4: Quite a few synagogues around there, Yeah, yeah, because the 168 00:09:57,874 --> 00:10:00,594 Speaker 4: very observant Jews. You need to walk to synagogue. But 169 00:10:01,234 --> 00:10:03,874 Speaker 4: it's also the Jewish community, to be clear, is really small, 170 00:10:03,954 --> 00:10:06,274 Speaker 4: Like there's one hundred thousand Jewish people in Australia. 171 00:10:06,354 --> 00:10:08,274 Speaker 1: That's tin you tiny tiny. 172 00:10:08,354 --> 00:10:11,634 Speaker 2: That must mean though that an event like this, I mean, 173 00:10:11,834 --> 00:10:17,034 Speaker 2: for you, last night, everybody knows somebody, I assume. Yeah, 174 00:10:17,074 --> 00:10:22,114 Speaker 2: And so everybody's messaging each other, everybody's checking in, everybody's afraid. 175 00:10:23,754 --> 00:10:24,834 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. 176 00:10:24,954 --> 00:10:28,714 Speaker 4: And you know, I was having dinner last night. I 177 00:10:28,754 --> 00:10:34,714 Speaker 4: didn't I wasn't looking at my phone, and suddenly someone 178 00:10:34,754 --> 00:10:37,714 Speaker 4: looked at their phone and then we all checked. And 179 00:10:37,874 --> 00:10:41,154 Speaker 4: the sirens, we just heard sirens. We live a couple 180 00:10:41,154 --> 00:10:46,314 Speaker 4: of suburbs away from Bondai and the other thing to explain, 181 00:10:46,394 --> 00:10:48,274 Speaker 4: and then the choppers and everything. But the other thing 182 00:10:48,594 --> 00:10:50,274 Speaker 4: for people to understand is that Bondo is a real 183 00:10:50,314 --> 00:10:54,154 Speaker 4: melting pot. People sometimes hear eastern suburbs and think that 184 00:10:54,194 --> 00:10:57,034 Speaker 4: it's all she shei and fancy and influences. It's like, 185 00:10:58,554 --> 00:11:03,394 Speaker 4: it's not that Amelia. You've you don't live near there, 186 00:11:03,434 --> 00:11:05,394 Speaker 4: but you've what's your well. 187 00:11:06,434 --> 00:11:10,874 Speaker 7: I think this is why terrorism is so uniquely upsetting, 188 00:11:11,194 --> 00:11:16,834 Speaker 7: because just as Hanakut is a sacred, holy special time 189 00:11:17,034 --> 00:11:22,474 Speaker 7: for the Jewish community, the beach is Australians a sacred 190 00:11:22,514 --> 00:11:27,074 Speaker 7: place too. And this is what terrorism aims to do. 191 00:11:27,274 --> 00:11:30,794 Speaker 7: It aims to make us all feel unsafe by targeting 192 00:11:30,834 --> 00:11:36,794 Speaker 7: one community practicing their religion at a place that is 193 00:11:36,834 --> 00:11:40,514 Speaker 7: sacred to all Australians that it doesn't get more fundamental 194 00:11:40,554 --> 00:11:43,234 Speaker 7: as a breach of what Australia is and what we 195 00:11:43,354 --> 00:11:43,994 Speaker 7: stand for. 196 00:11:44,314 --> 00:11:48,554 Speaker 5: And the symbolism of Bondao Beach, you could not probably 197 00:11:48,714 --> 00:11:52,474 Speaker 5: find a more iconic symbol of what it is to 198 00:11:52,474 --> 00:11:52,994 Speaker 5: be Australia. 199 00:11:53,034 --> 00:11:56,514 Speaker 7: It's the one place in Australia that everyone in the 200 00:11:56,554 --> 00:11:59,394 Speaker 7: world knows. They don't know the Harbor Bridge, some of 201 00:11:59,394 --> 00:12:01,834 Speaker 7: them know the Opera House, some of them know Ularu. 202 00:12:02,634 --> 00:12:06,914 Speaker 7: Everyone's heard of Bondo Beach and what they think of 203 00:12:07,194 --> 00:12:10,953 Speaker 7: they think of Bondo Beach is the quintessential Australian lifestyle 204 00:12:10,954 --> 00:12:14,314 Speaker 7: that is practiced there, which includes people of all religions 205 00:12:14,354 --> 00:12:17,794 Speaker 7: and all social classes coming together to have an ice 206 00:12:17,874 --> 00:12:21,194 Speaker 7: cream at the end of what was a quintessential early 207 00:12:21,274 --> 00:12:21,874 Speaker 7: summer day. 208 00:12:22,874 --> 00:12:27,994 Speaker 5: And the acknowledgment last night as it was all coming 209 00:12:28,034 --> 00:12:30,994 Speaker 5: in and we were, you know, checking on friends and 210 00:12:31,754 --> 00:12:32,394 Speaker 5: I'm looking at it. 211 00:12:32,474 --> 00:12:35,314 Speaker 4: You have family that live at Bondai and you're down 212 00:12:35,354 --> 00:12:35,953 Speaker 4: in that part. 213 00:12:36,154 --> 00:12:37,754 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're there. 214 00:12:37,594 --> 00:12:40,474 Speaker 5: Offer very with your family, familiar and you're thinking about 215 00:12:41,994 --> 00:12:45,874 Speaker 5: the children and the people, they're just practicing their faith. 216 00:12:45,914 --> 00:12:52,314 Speaker 5: And I just kept thinking about you flee Europe because 217 00:12:52,354 --> 00:12:55,594 Speaker 5: of the Holocaust and the mass migration to the Eastern suburbs, 218 00:12:55,874 --> 00:12:57,994 Speaker 5: a lot of it happened after World War Two, post 219 00:12:57,994 --> 00:13:01,754 Speaker 5: Holocaust to flee ethnic persecution, and you end up on 220 00:13:01,834 --> 00:13:06,834 Speaker 5: the shores of Bondai Beach and you are attacked there. 221 00:13:06,914 --> 00:13:13,314 Speaker 5: The unthinkable, unfathomable cruelty of that, and then as we 222 00:13:13,354 --> 00:13:17,154 Speaker 5: have learned more about the victims, including one victim who 223 00:13:17,274 --> 00:13:20,394 Speaker 5: was himself a Holocaust survivor, as was his wife. To 224 00:13:20,514 --> 00:13:26,434 Speaker 5: be killed on Bondi Beach is just I think unsettles 225 00:13:26,434 --> 00:13:30,194 Speaker 5: our sense of who we are as Australians and what 226 00:13:30,274 --> 00:13:33,914 Speaker 5: we offer people who come here wanting us say for life. 227 00:13:34,834 --> 00:13:37,914 Speaker 4: The truth is that we've been feeling unsettled in the 228 00:13:37,914 --> 00:13:42,194 Speaker 4: community for a while now. There's been growing anti Semitism 229 00:13:42,434 --> 00:13:46,674 Speaker 4: and what I said about we're so shocked, but we're 230 00:13:46,674 --> 00:13:47,474 Speaker 4: not surprised. 231 00:13:47,514 --> 00:13:50,314 Speaker 1: This is our worst fears realized. 232 00:13:51,354 --> 00:13:58,954 Speaker 4: And as I said, when there's such a small community, 233 00:13:59,234 --> 00:14:02,634 Speaker 4: pretty much every Jewish person is the descendant of either 234 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:06,634 Speaker 4: Holocaust victims or Holocaust survivors. Usually Holocaust victims. We all 235 00:14:06,674 --> 00:14:10,354 Speaker 4: have family members who were lost in the Holocaust. I 236 00:14:10,394 --> 00:14:12,314 Speaker 4: have it on both sides, or my kids have it 237 00:14:12,354 --> 00:14:16,514 Speaker 4: on both sides of their family, and so that's always 238 00:14:16,554 --> 00:14:19,274 Speaker 4: present in our mind. But you're right, there's a certain 239 00:14:19,834 --> 00:14:24,274 Speaker 4: sense of suspension of fear that you have to have 240 00:14:24,474 --> 00:14:26,994 Speaker 4: to go about your daily life, and you are more 241 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:31,834 Speaker 4: alert when you go to like a synagogue or you know, 242 00:14:31,914 --> 00:14:36,434 Speaker 4: I've been to Jewish events, But as you say, there's 243 00:14:36,434 --> 00:14:39,314 Speaker 4: something about Bonday Beach because this wasn't like a religious 244 00:14:39,754 --> 00:14:42,914 Speaker 4: they weren't practicing their religion. It was just like a gathering, 245 00:14:42,994 --> 00:14:47,034 Speaker 4: like a community gathering that anyone was welcome to celebrated 246 00:14:47,154 --> 00:14:48,914 Speaker 4: exactly like a Christmas. 247 00:14:48,474 --> 00:14:50,634 Speaker 1: Concert like Carols by the Beach or something like that. 248 00:14:50,714 --> 00:14:52,114 Speaker 3: We're going to be back in a moment. 249 00:15:04,274 --> 00:15:06,274 Speaker 7: We wanted to talk a little bit about how this 250 00:15:06,434 --> 00:15:09,234 Speaker 7: is a lot more local story. It's it's the top 251 00:15:09,314 --> 00:15:13,474 Speaker 7: story on news sites all around the world. I think 252 00:15:13,474 --> 00:15:16,034 Speaker 7: it's the top news story in the world today. 253 00:15:16,354 --> 00:15:17,314 Speaker 1: Why do you think that is? 254 00:15:18,954 --> 00:15:22,434 Speaker 5: I think that that Jewish communities all over the world 255 00:15:22,514 --> 00:15:24,274 Speaker 5: are deeply touch. 256 00:15:25,834 --> 00:15:26,034 Speaker 3: Yeah. 257 00:15:26,234 --> 00:15:28,834 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I also think that it is the fact 258 00:15:28,994 --> 00:15:33,354 Speaker 2: that a terrorist attack of this magnitude in Australia does 259 00:15:33,434 --> 00:15:36,994 Speaker 2: not happen. A usual story Australia is seen and we 260 00:15:37,074 --> 00:15:38,754 Speaker 2: you know, we talked about this in different ways, but 261 00:15:40,074 --> 00:15:41,434 Speaker 2: as a as a safe place. 262 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:43,194 Speaker 3: And I think. 263 00:15:42,994 --> 00:15:46,274 Speaker 2: That this, the fact that this has happened in somewhere 264 00:15:46,314 --> 00:15:50,994 Speaker 2: so iconically international, is going to be shocking to everybody. 265 00:15:51,194 --> 00:15:56,034 Speaker 5: And to stand in plain sight on a footbridge with 266 00:15:56,234 --> 00:16:00,394 Speaker 5: people running around you, I think there's this question. We 267 00:16:00,474 --> 00:16:05,674 Speaker 5: are known internationally for our strict, strict gun laws, so 268 00:16:05,754 --> 00:16:09,314 Speaker 5: there's also the image of a man holding a gun 269 00:16:09,474 --> 00:16:12,114 Speaker 5: pointing it at civilians daylight. 270 00:16:12,234 --> 00:16:14,754 Speaker 1: But they thought there were no guns in Australia. 271 00:16:14,954 --> 00:16:17,994 Speaker 4: They felt very smug, didn't we Like every time they 272 00:16:18,074 --> 00:16:22,834 Speaker 4: used to be mass shooting in America, people would say, 273 00:16:23,394 --> 00:16:27,514 Speaker 4: thank Heavens that you know that our government enacted strict 274 00:16:27,554 --> 00:16:30,154 Speaker 4: gun laws after Put Arthur, which was almost thirty years ago, 275 00:16:30,714 --> 00:16:35,394 Speaker 4: and we thought that this wasn't able to happen. 276 00:16:35,874 --> 00:16:37,834 Speaker 7: I think that gun thing is huge. I had people 277 00:16:38,034 --> 00:16:41,234 Speaker 7: from the US asking me how did they get these guns. 278 00:16:41,434 --> 00:16:43,834 Speaker 7: The second thing is, if I'm frank, I think a 279 00:16:43,834 --> 00:16:47,714 Speaker 7: lot of people in America and internationally don't are not 280 00:16:47,794 --> 00:16:50,834 Speaker 7: aware of Australia's large Jewish population. Well, as you pointed out, 281 00:16:50,914 --> 00:16:53,954 Speaker 7: it's not large. It's less than a hundred thousand people. 282 00:16:54,154 --> 00:16:56,874 Speaker 7: They don't think of Australia as a place where this 283 00:16:57,074 --> 00:17:02,034 Speaker 7: kind of terrorism or violence happens, so you think of 284 00:17:02,074 --> 00:17:05,553 Speaker 7: it as a place where people are pretty much unified, 285 00:17:05,594 --> 00:17:07,794 Speaker 7: where this kind of violence is not a staple. 286 00:17:08,194 --> 00:17:12,794 Speaker 5: The other two things are that this is arising anti 287 00:17:12,794 --> 00:17:15,594 Speaker 5: Semitism is being felt all over the world, so this 288 00:17:15,754 --> 00:17:19,593 Speaker 5: is something that is not just a local Australian issue. 289 00:17:19,674 --> 00:17:24,033 Speaker 5: It is something that has been enormously felt. 290 00:17:24,394 --> 00:17:27,714 Speaker 7: And it also just pierces everyone's sense of safety in 291 00:17:27,714 --> 00:17:31,313 Speaker 7: the sense that Australia was seen as the safest, So 292 00:17:31,434 --> 00:17:34,714 Speaker 7: if this is happening in Australia, people think it really 293 00:17:34,754 --> 00:17:35,834 Speaker 7: can happen anywhere. 294 00:17:36,154 --> 00:17:40,553 Speaker 5: The second thing is the proliferation of footage. So that 295 00:17:40,634 --> 00:17:42,194 Speaker 5: there were so many people there and it was in 296 00:17:42,194 --> 00:17:44,914 Speaker 5: a public area means that there are so many videos. 297 00:17:45,914 --> 00:17:51,394 Speaker 5: In almost real time, we were getting images and videos 298 00:17:51,434 --> 00:17:56,754 Speaker 5: of those men standing on that bridge. We then got 299 00:17:56,794 --> 00:17:59,354 Speaker 5: the incredible footage which we're going to get to of 300 00:18:00,234 --> 00:18:05,074 Speaker 5: a man intercepting one of the alleged terrorists. I think 301 00:18:05,114 --> 00:18:07,674 Speaker 5: even the footage of everyone running like. 302 00:18:07,994 --> 00:18:10,513 Speaker 1: That, every life savers. I mean it was all just 303 00:18:11,634 --> 00:18:14,434 Speaker 1: was like something out of a nightmare. Yep. 304 00:18:14,834 --> 00:18:18,714 Speaker 7: The thing is that this kind of horror is very 305 00:18:18,794 --> 00:18:23,354 Speaker 7: unusual in Australia, but it is happening elsewhere a lot 306 00:18:23,394 --> 00:18:26,914 Speaker 7: more often. And to that point, I wanted to talk 307 00:18:26,954 --> 00:18:30,834 Speaker 7: about a contrast that I observed yesterday between two tragedies 308 00:18:30,954 --> 00:18:33,394 Speaker 7: unfolding on the same day. And I bring it up 309 00:18:33,434 --> 00:18:36,114 Speaker 7: not because a mass shooting in the United States is 310 00:18:36,194 --> 00:18:40,594 Speaker 7: especially exceptional now, but because I found the contrast between 311 00:18:40,714 --> 00:18:45,594 Speaker 7: how the two national leaders responded really instructive to how 312 00:18:45,714 --> 00:18:49,474 Speaker 7: Australians can be feeling in this moment about our leaders. 313 00:18:50,954 --> 00:18:54,554 Speaker 7: The mass shooting at Brown University, there was a lot 314 00:18:54,554 --> 00:18:57,314 Speaker 7: of confusion, as there often is with mass shootings, and 315 00:18:57,994 --> 00:19:00,273 Speaker 7: there was a very long man hunt that took place 316 00:19:00,474 --> 00:19:04,234 Speaker 7: after these students had been shot while they were reviewing 317 00:19:04,274 --> 00:19:09,714 Speaker 7: for their final exams, and Donald Trump posted on social 318 00:19:09,754 --> 00:19:12,434 Speaker 7: media that a suspect was in custody. Now, this was 319 00:19:12,434 --> 00:19:14,714 Speaker 7: at a time when students were locked in their dorms. 320 00:19:14,834 --> 00:19:18,074 Speaker 7: They didn't know what was happening. This person who had 321 00:19:18,074 --> 00:19:20,593 Speaker 7: shot students was on the loose in this very small, 322 00:19:20,754 --> 00:19:23,474 Speaker 7: close knit college town, and he posts on social media, 323 00:19:23,634 --> 00:19:25,994 Speaker 7: Everything's fine, the suspect is in custody. You can go 324 00:19:26,034 --> 00:19:30,234 Speaker 7: about your business. Fifteen minutes later, he had to recount 325 00:19:30,274 --> 00:19:32,674 Speaker 7: that post, and he had to say. 326 00:19:32,474 --> 00:19:33,634 Speaker 1: Actually, I was wrong. 327 00:19:34,154 --> 00:19:38,234 Speaker 7: I have to say that watching Anthony Albanese's press conference yesterday, 328 00:19:38,554 --> 00:19:42,914 Speaker 7: Setting aside the longer you or any kind of political concerns, 329 00:19:42,954 --> 00:19:45,754 Speaker 7: I just want to contrast the responses of the two leaders, 330 00:19:45,954 --> 00:19:47,874 Speaker 7: because he got up at a moment when we also 331 00:19:47,914 --> 00:19:50,354 Speaker 7: didn't know a lot about what had happened at BONDI. 332 00:19:50,994 --> 00:19:53,754 Speaker 7: We still don't know all the facts, and he refused 333 00:19:53,794 --> 00:19:58,074 Speaker 7: to give into speculation, or to make divisive statements, or 334 00:19:58,114 --> 00:20:03,914 Speaker 7: to flame any kind of anger or or bitterness. Instead, 335 00:20:04,114 --> 00:20:06,914 Speaker 7: he just struck what I thought was a really appropriate 336 00:20:07,354 --> 00:20:09,074 Speaker 7: he said, and I want to read it because I 337 00:20:09,114 --> 00:20:11,834 Speaker 7: thought it really hit the right note. An attack on 338 00:20:11,914 --> 00:20:16,074 Speaker 7: Jewish Australians is an attack on every Australian, and every 339 00:20:16,114 --> 00:20:19,554 Speaker 7: Australian tonight will be like me, devastated by this attack 340 00:20:19,674 --> 00:20:21,914 Speaker 7: on our way of life. 341 00:20:22,154 --> 00:20:24,354 Speaker 6: I completely agree, and. 342 00:20:25,874 --> 00:20:30,474 Speaker 5: I think the Trump example speaks to the failures and 343 00:20:30,514 --> 00:20:33,914 Speaker 5: shortcomings of social media at moments like that, and how 344 00:20:33,954 --> 00:20:36,834 Speaker 5: you have this instinct to turn on the news because 345 00:20:37,354 --> 00:20:43,514 Speaker 5: you know that the news will blur things that are 346 00:20:43,634 --> 00:20:48,154 Speaker 5: not appropriate for all of us to see in the aftermath. 347 00:20:47,674 --> 00:20:48,954 Speaker 3: And literally the imagery. 348 00:20:49,274 --> 00:20:53,313 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I know, in the aftermath you can, like 349 00:20:53,394 --> 00:20:55,994 Speaker 5: I was terrified to go on Instagram or TikTok or 350 00:20:55,994 --> 00:20:58,434 Speaker 5: anything because you can be bombarded with images you will 351 00:20:58,474 --> 00:21:03,754 Speaker 5: never ever forget. And the misinformation is so unhelpful, the 352 00:21:03,794 --> 00:21:10,314 Speaker 5: misinformation about other suburbs. And then you've got new rumors flying, yeah, 353 00:21:10,394 --> 00:21:13,154 Speaker 5: exactly right, and you've got New South Wales Police and 354 00:21:13,194 --> 00:21:17,754 Speaker 5: dedicating resources to either investigating those rumors or having to 355 00:21:19,434 --> 00:21:24,114 Speaker 5: communicate with the wider public that they're not true. And 356 00:21:24,194 --> 00:21:27,514 Speaker 5: I think that even thinking of the social media band 357 00:21:27,594 --> 00:21:31,793 Speaker 5: for all it's you know, imperfections, and we won't go 358 00:21:31,834 --> 00:21:35,313 Speaker 5: into that, but I just thought, if there is a 359 00:21:35,434 --> 00:21:38,954 Speaker 5: moment where it would be great for young people not 360 00:21:39,074 --> 00:21:41,793 Speaker 5: to have access to social media, it is this moment. 361 00:21:42,114 --> 00:21:45,553 Speaker 2: It is interesting that because I still obviously spoke to 362 00:21:45,554 --> 00:21:47,833 Speaker 2: my kids about what they're about to see on social 363 00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:50,634 Speaker 2: because kids are still on social Yeah, you know, this 364 00:21:50,754 --> 00:21:52,234 Speaker 2: is not the time to go into this, but they 365 00:21:52,274 --> 00:21:55,274 Speaker 2: are still all on social media. I spoke to them 366 00:21:55,314 --> 00:21:58,074 Speaker 2: straight away about you don't want to see this, like, 367 00:21:58,194 --> 00:22:00,714 Speaker 2: you really don't want to see this, and I don't 368 00:22:00,754 --> 00:22:02,834 Speaker 2: think they do want to see it, but I know 369 00:22:02,914 --> 00:22:05,354 Speaker 2: they will see it, you know, so you I think 370 00:22:05,394 --> 00:22:07,793 Speaker 2: that as a parent, it's one of the things that 371 00:22:08,074 --> 00:22:11,114 Speaker 2: frustrates people. I think about having that power taken out 372 00:22:11,114 --> 00:22:13,554 Speaker 2: of our hands. About once there was a time when 373 00:22:13,594 --> 00:22:15,553 Speaker 2: it was like turn off the news, don't put on 374 00:22:15,594 --> 00:22:17,954 Speaker 2: the radio, you know, and it felt like you were 375 00:22:17,954 --> 00:22:20,514 Speaker 2: in control of what your children were going to consume. 376 00:22:21,154 --> 00:22:23,114 Speaker 2: But I know that even if my kids aren't going 377 00:22:23,194 --> 00:22:25,194 Speaker 2: to go hunting for that footage, they will be shown 378 00:22:25,194 --> 00:22:28,234 Speaker 2: it at school today. They will see it inevitably, and 379 00:22:28,274 --> 00:22:32,794 Speaker 2: so that means that it's changed kind of your responsibility 380 00:22:32,954 --> 00:22:34,674 Speaker 2: to what to tell them about it, because I don't 381 00:22:34,714 --> 00:22:37,354 Speaker 2: want them to hear all that stuff without first of all, 382 00:22:37,394 --> 00:22:42,234 Speaker 2: hearing something a bit more responsible and appropriate. Not that 383 00:22:42,274 --> 00:22:45,874 Speaker 2: there's any way to soften just such a horror, you know, 384 00:22:45,954 --> 00:22:50,354 Speaker 2: the horror of this. It's unprecedented in Australia, and that's 385 00:22:50,554 --> 00:22:52,874 Speaker 2: so important. But that was one of the important things 386 00:22:52,874 --> 00:22:57,234 Speaker 2: to say to my kids. This is incredibly rare. Here 387 00:22:58,874 --> 00:23:01,034 Speaker 2: I will say too, just so everybody understands this, because 388 00:23:01,034 --> 00:23:03,994 Speaker 2: one of the things about watching a news story unfold 389 00:23:04,714 --> 00:23:07,354 Speaker 2: like this on social is, everybody gets very impatient for 390 00:23:07,394 --> 00:23:09,434 Speaker 2: why won't you call it what it is? For example, 391 00:23:09,594 --> 00:23:12,834 Speaker 2: last night on the thing, it was like say that 392 00:23:12,874 --> 00:23:16,154 Speaker 2: it was terrorism, and the traditional news won't do that 393 00:23:16,234 --> 00:23:18,874 Speaker 2: until it has been called that by the authorities. And 394 00:23:19,074 --> 00:23:22,874 Speaker 2: in this instance, it was called that relatively quickly because 395 00:23:22,874 --> 00:23:26,794 Speaker 2: it was very very clearly terrorism in less than three hours, yes, 396 00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:29,994 Speaker 2: and so then all the media could report that. But 397 00:23:30,034 --> 00:23:32,314 Speaker 2: what you see on social until that happens is this 398 00:23:32,754 --> 00:23:36,554 Speaker 2: boiling anger about why won't you say this and why 399 00:23:36,554 --> 00:23:38,994 Speaker 2: won't you say that? And I think it's interesting for 400 00:23:38,994 --> 00:23:40,714 Speaker 2: everyone to understand kind of why. 401 00:23:41,074 --> 00:23:45,314 Speaker 5: And I think the aftermath from Chris Mins to Anthony Albernezi. 402 00:23:45,154 --> 00:23:46,914 Speaker 4: Chris Mins, the Premier of New South Wales, was or 403 00:23:46,954 --> 00:23:50,754 Speaker 4: sorry outstanding. Yes, yeah, he has been outstanding on going. 404 00:23:50,874 --> 00:23:53,674 Speaker 4: But I wanted to ask you guys as people who 405 00:23:53,714 --> 00:23:56,434 Speaker 4: aren't Jewish. I mean, obviously the Jewish community is just 406 00:23:56,474 --> 00:24:00,514 Speaker 4: in such deep shock and distress and we can't even 407 00:24:00,594 --> 00:24:03,033 Speaker 4: All they want to do is gather with my community, 408 00:24:04,154 --> 00:24:07,754 Speaker 4: but synagogues are closed on the advice of police. 409 00:24:08,234 --> 00:24:08,994 Speaker 1: We can't gather. 410 00:24:09,394 --> 00:24:13,074 Speaker 4: And when you know Chris Mins or whoever is saying, 411 00:24:13,514 --> 00:24:16,513 Speaker 4: and the police commissioner, we will increase resources. 412 00:24:16,554 --> 00:24:18,114 Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know what else. 413 00:24:17,914 --> 00:24:22,513 Speaker 4: Could people could do, because the levels of security around 414 00:24:22,634 --> 00:24:27,434 Speaker 4: any Jewish place of worship, Jewish school, Jewish preschool, Jewish 415 00:24:27,514 --> 00:24:31,874 Speaker 4: gathering of any kind is so unbelievable. 416 00:24:33,034 --> 00:24:34,273 Speaker 1: I don't know what else you could do. 417 00:24:34,394 --> 00:24:38,073 Speaker 5: And the terror threat has been probable for a while, 418 00:24:38,314 --> 00:24:40,434 Speaker 5: and there was a question about whether that is going 419 00:24:40,474 --> 00:24:43,194 Speaker 5: to increase, and I was confused about the meaning of 420 00:24:43,474 --> 00:24:47,594 Speaker 5: probable because it was then said there's a fifty percent chance, 421 00:24:47,634 --> 00:24:50,834 Speaker 5: and I was like, fifty percent chance, when now any 422 00:24:50,874 --> 00:24:53,634 Speaker 5: moment they can't say they say fifty percent chance in 423 00:24:53,634 --> 00:24:56,154 Speaker 5: a twelve month period of there being a terror attack 424 00:24:56,234 --> 00:25:02,553 Speaker 5: that has obviously happened, they've not increased it. And I 425 00:25:02,594 --> 00:25:05,434 Speaker 5: think you can tell from listening to the head of 426 00:25:05,834 --> 00:25:09,634 Speaker 5: AZO and listening to the Police commissioner that there is 427 00:25:09,674 --> 00:25:11,513 Speaker 5: a lot of intelligence that we are not privy to 428 00:25:12,234 --> 00:25:16,634 Speaker 5: and that they are now compiling. But I agree you 429 00:25:16,674 --> 00:25:22,194 Speaker 5: think even with all of that intelligence and that you 430 00:25:22,514 --> 00:25:25,513 Speaker 5: would think that even a gathering of Jewish people that 431 00:25:25,954 --> 00:25:28,554 Speaker 5: there would be increased security. 432 00:25:28,674 --> 00:25:30,394 Speaker 4: I don't know what you could have done really to 433 00:25:30,794 --> 00:25:31,274 Speaker 4: I mean. 434 00:25:31,434 --> 00:25:34,234 Speaker 6: There's going to be a lot of questions over the next. 435 00:25:34,594 --> 00:25:37,793 Speaker 4: What's interesting to me, though, is, as I said, Jewish 436 00:25:37,794 --> 00:25:40,554 Speaker 4: people have been talking about the rise in anti Semitism, 437 00:25:40,714 --> 00:25:43,994 Speaker 4: the fact that there are Nazis demonstrating in the streets. 438 00:25:44,914 --> 00:25:48,994 Speaker 4: We have been talking amongst ourselves. We have shrunk away 439 00:25:49,074 --> 00:25:53,074 Speaker 4: from the world. We have been fearful on a day 440 00:25:53,114 --> 00:25:56,794 Speaker 4: to day basis for the last few years. What I'm 441 00:25:56,794 --> 00:26:01,354 Speaker 4: interested to understand from you guys is I've noticed that 442 00:26:01,394 --> 00:26:05,114 Speaker 4: this seems to be affecting people who aren't Jewish very deeply. 443 00:26:05,194 --> 00:26:07,314 Speaker 1: What do you think that Why do you think that is? 444 00:26:07,314 --> 00:26:08,834 Speaker 4: Do you think it would have been different had it 445 00:26:08,914 --> 00:26:10,714 Speaker 4: happened in a synagogue and you could have kind of 446 00:26:10,754 --> 00:26:12,793 Speaker 4: gone I don't mean to discount it, but you know 447 00:26:12,834 --> 00:26:16,394 Speaker 4: that whenever a tragedy like this happens, you sort of 448 00:26:16,554 --> 00:26:18,954 Speaker 4: logically look for reasons why that couldn't have been new. 449 00:26:19,314 --> 00:26:21,154 Speaker 4: But do you think the fact that it was BONDI 450 00:26:22,234 --> 00:26:25,554 Speaker 4: just makes everyone think and gun's what's unsettling. 451 00:26:25,714 --> 00:26:30,354 Speaker 2: I think it's what Amelia said earlier about the point 452 00:26:30,394 --> 00:26:34,994 Speaker 2: of terrorism, because this was terrorism, this is walk Obviously 453 00:26:35,034 --> 00:26:38,114 Speaker 2: the target of this was a Jewish celebration. But as 454 00:26:38,154 --> 00:26:40,154 Speaker 2: we spoke about at the beginning, there are thousands of 455 00:26:40,154 --> 00:26:44,194 Speaker 2: people on that beach. It does affect every Australian because 456 00:26:44,354 --> 00:26:49,033 Speaker 2: our very sense of safety was struck at by these people, 457 00:26:49,194 --> 00:26:54,434 Speaker 2: these terrorists, and that's the point that they're trying to make. 458 00:26:54,714 --> 00:26:56,514 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, though, Miya, because when we're 459 00:26:56,554 --> 00:26:58,314 Speaker 2: going to get in a minute to how people can help. 460 00:26:59,634 --> 00:27:03,234 Speaker 2: But one thing that people keep saying is wrap your 461 00:27:03,314 --> 00:27:09,474 Speaker 2: arms around your Jewish friends and reach out. Is that 462 00:27:09,514 --> 00:27:11,353 Speaker 2: what you want people to do? And what does that 463 00:27:11,394 --> 00:27:13,313 Speaker 2: look like? And does it feel in any way a 464 00:27:13,354 --> 00:27:14,994 Speaker 2: little empty? 465 00:27:15,434 --> 00:27:17,073 Speaker 1: No, it really doesn't. 466 00:27:17,114 --> 00:27:19,074 Speaker 4: And again I can only speak for myself, but one 467 00:27:19,074 --> 00:27:21,114 Speaker 4: of the things that has touched me the most has 468 00:27:21,194 --> 00:27:26,714 Speaker 4: been people reaching out, like to just say I'm thinking 469 00:27:26,754 --> 00:27:29,394 Speaker 4: of you. Just send an emoji, just like if you 470 00:27:29,474 --> 00:27:31,714 Speaker 4: know someone who is Jewish, just check on them because 471 00:27:32,274 --> 00:27:37,794 Speaker 4: they're devastated and they're scared. And it means a lot 472 00:27:37,874 --> 00:27:40,553 Speaker 4: because it can feel very very lonely, you know, it 473 00:27:40,554 --> 00:27:46,234 Speaker 4: can feel like, yeah, it can just feel very lonely. 474 00:27:46,394 --> 00:27:50,074 Speaker 4: And it's felt like that the last few years. And 475 00:27:51,634 --> 00:27:54,514 Speaker 4: you know, without wanting to be self pitying or anything, 476 00:27:55,434 --> 00:27:59,474 Speaker 4: it's some of the best conversations I have about this 477 00:27:59,634 --> 00:28:02,313 Speaker 4: kind of thing is with my Muslim friends and my 478 00:28:02,634 --> 00:28:05,834 Speaker 4: Christian friends and my Catholic friends, people who are of 479 00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,914 Speaker 4: deep faith, and they are always the first person to 480 00:28:09,954 --> 00:28:10,474 Speaker 4: reach out. 481 00:28:10,634 --> 00:28:12,234 Speaker 1: They always always. 482 00:28:11,874 --> 00:28:15,314 Speaker 6: And I think that the in some ways. 483 00:28:16,354 --> 00:28:18,794 Speaker 5: This made me think of christ Church, and that the 484 00:28:20,274 --> 00:28:24,754 Speaker 5: innocence of being in a place of worship and an 485 00:28:24,794 --> 00:28:29,474 Speaker 5: attack based on faith in that in that moment, which 486 00:28:29,554 --> 00:28:34,273 Speaker 5: was just so horrific, I think that speaks to we 487 00:28:34,834 --> 00:28:43,074 Speaker 5: are a country founded on multiculturalism and on safety and understandings. 488 00:28:43,194 --> 00:28:44,834 Speaker 5: That's why people Australia. 489 00:28:44,914 --> 00:28:47,794 Speaker 4: You know, my parents and my father as families are 490 00:28:48,514 --> 00:28:51,994 Speaker 4: immigrants from South Africa, and they left because of as 491 00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:56,434 Speaker 4: a political protest against apartheid in the sixties. Because and 492 00:28:56,474 --> 00:29:00,194 Speaker 4: they chose Australia because it was a land of peace 493 00:29:00,314 --> 00:29:05,874 Speaker 4: and tolerance and multiculturalism and respect for people who don't 494 00:29:06,074 --> 00:29:07,114 Speaker 4: share your background or. 495 00:29:07,194 --> 00:29:11,074 Speaker 1: Your faith and on. And that's what's so deeply shocking 496 00:29:11,074 --> 00:29:11,994 Speaker 1: about this right. 497 00:29:11,914 --> 00:29:16,074 Speaker 5: On that I think watching the response unfold on social 498 00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:22,034 Speaker 5: media and watching what is inevitably and frustratingly and anti 499 00:29:22,074 --> 00:29:28,994 Speaker 5: immigration backlash that will then move into Islamophobia and suggest 500 00:29:29,194 --> 00:29:31,394 Speaker 5: that why were they in our cut like you saw 501 00:29:31,474 --> 00:29:36,794 Speaker 5: that come so immediately, and you think that is along 502 00:29:36,914 --> 00:29:40,514 Speaker 5: the same continuum. No one wants to as the hate, 503 00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:43,354 Speaker 5: but as the hate that just led to this massacre. 504 00:29:43,434 --> 00:29:47,194 Speaker 7: Well that's exactly what terrorists want as well. And to 505 00:29:47,234 --> 00:29:49,794 Speaker 7: your earlier question me, I think it's a really interesting one, 506 00:29:49,794 --> 00:29:53,274 Speaker 7: and you made me pause and think about why it 507 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:56,194 Speaker 7: shook me so deeply, And I think it's because these 508 00:29:56,234 --> 00:30:00,954 Speaker 7: acts of terrorism are designed to make us doubt ourselves 509 00:30:01,194 --> 00:30:04,794 Speaker 7: and to make us doubt that our country can hold together. 510 00:30:05,274 --> 00:30:09,394 Speaker 7: So if you think about nine eleven, that was sort 511 00:30:09,434 --> 00:30:13,754 Speaker 7: of taking aim at the very financial heart of a 512 00:30:13,794 --> 00:30:18,194 Speaker 7: city that basically runs on business and finance. And that's 513 00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:22,074 Speaker 7: why that was such an effective act. The symbolism of 514 00:30:22,114 --> 00:30:24,914 Speaker 7: it and this giant building in a city that is 515 00:30:24,954 --> 00:30:27,874 Speaker 7: known for its skyscrapers, or the London Tube bombings, that 516 00:30:27,994 --> 00:30:29,714 Speaker 7: is a city that runs on the tube. 517 00:30:29,754 --> 00:30:31,474 Speaker 1: That's their arteries of that city. 518 00:30:32,034 --> 00:30:36,994 Speaker 7: And then of course the Bali bombing was striking an 519 00:30:37,034 --> 00:30:41,154 Speaker 7: island which really depends and relies on tourism and the 520 00:30:41,194 --> 00:30:45,274 Speaker 7: idea of people coming there to have a good time 521 00:30:45,514 --> 00:30:50,674 Speaker 7: and to sustain the Balinese economy. This is how terrorism works, 522 00:30:50,794 --> 00:30:55,314 Speaker 7: and so in choosing a beach, you are really also 523 00:30:56,514 --> 00:30:59,954 Speaker 7: trying to get at the very foundations of this society, 524 00:31:00,034 --> 00:31:02,714 Speaker 7: which and what we say is at the beach, everyone 525 00:31:02,834 --> 00:31:03,274 Speaker 7: is equal. 526 00:31:03,434 --> 00:31:04,034 Speaker 1: It's true. 527 00:31:04,074 --> 00:31:07,554 Speaker 4: And today is the eleventh anniversary of the Lin Cafe 528 00:31:08,314 --> 00:31:11,514 Speaker 4: siege and the two people that lost their lives so 529 00:31:11,714 --> 00:31:12,674 Speaker 4: tragically in. 530 00:31:14,274 --> 00:31:15,594 Speaker 1: That terrorist attack. 531 00:31:16,154 --> 00:31:21,034 Speaker 5: And it's only what two years, less than two years 532 00:31:21,074 --> 00:31:26,234 Speaker 5: since Bondai junction and I think Westfield attack, Yeah, the 533 00:31:26,234 --> 00:31:31,034 Speaker 5: Westfield attack, which was it was not terrorists, that was 534 00:31:31,034 --> 00:31:34,234 Speaker 5: not terrorism, that was a loan attacker. But what that 535 00:31:34,394 --> 00:31:39,034 Speaker 5: did to sow the seeds of discomfort within a community 536 00:31:39,074 --> 00:31:41,954 Speaker 5: that you could just be going along doing your shopping 537 00:31:41,994 --> 00:31:44,794 Speaker 5: with your family, but for the grace of God, which 538 00:31:44,834 --> 00:31:47,074 Speaker 5: is of this this feels like that all over again. 539 00:31:47,714 --> 00:31:49,514 Speaker 2: We're going to be back in a moment to talk 540 00:31:49,554 --> 00:31:52,074 Speaker 2: about how you can help and the people who did 541 00:31:52,074 --> 00:32:06,554 Speaker 2: help on the day. The entire world is talking about 542 00:32:06,554 --> 00:32:10,794 Speaker 2: Ahmed al Hmed today. He is the white T shirt guy, 543 00:32:11,234 --> 00:32:13,434 Speaker 2: the man who wrestled the gun from the hands of 544 00:32:13,474 --> 00:32:16,154 Speaker 2: one of the terrorists right as he was aiming it 545 00:32:16,394 --> 00:32:20,594 Speaker 2: at innocent families running to hide from his bullets. Al 546 00:32:20,634 --> 00:32:23,394 Speaker 2: Ahmed is in hospital today. After he took that gun, 547 00:32:23,474 --> 00:32:25,274 Speaker 2: he pointed it at the shooter, but he didn't pull 548 00:32:25,354 --> 00:32:27,314 Speaker 2: the trigger. He put the gun down, he put his 549 00:32:27,394 --> 00:32:30,714 Speaker 2: hands up, and he was under fire from the second 550 00:32:30,714 --> 00:32:32,754 Speaker 2: shooter on the bridge, and he took a bullet in 551 00:32:32,834 --> 00:32:37,354 Speaker 2: the shoulder as the second shooter was shooting from the bridge. Today, 552 00:32:37,394 --> 00:32:40,194 Speaker 2: we've learned a little bit more about Hmed because his cousin, 553 00:32:40,234 --> 00:32:44,434 Speaker 2: who was with him last night, has spoken outside hospital, 554 00:32:44,834 --> 00:32:46,514 Speaker 2: and we found out a few more things about him 555 00:32:46,834 --> 00:32:47,594 Speaker 2: we did. 556 00:32:47,394 --> 00:32:51,634 Speaker 5: We know that he came from Syria more than a 557 00:32:51,674 --> 00:32:55,834 Speaker 5: decade ago, and he's a father to two little girls. 558 00:32:56,194 --> 00:33:00,394 Speaker 5: And there was this really moving detail which I just 559 00:33:00,514 --> 00:33:06,954 Speaker 5: think illustrates the connection between so many communities in US. 560 00:33:07,474 --> 00:33:10,754 Speaker 5: But he was walking through the festival and they offered 561 00:33:10,834 --> 00:33:12,794 Speaker 5: him food and he was sort of on his way 562 00:33:12,834 --> 00:33:16,194 Speaker 5: to get a coffee, but only moments later that community 563 00:33:16,514 --> 00:33:20,914 Speaker 5: was being horrifically shot at. 564 00:33:22,754 --> 00:33:25,394 Speaker 2: HMED's cousin says that that was about ten minutes before 565 00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:28,834 Speaker 2: they found themselves caught up in all this, and he 566 00:33:28,914 --> 00:33:32,034 Speaker 2: says that Ahmed said, just before he went into tackle 567 00:33:32,074 --> 00:33:34,554 Speaker 2: the gunment, he told his cousin, I'm going to die. 568 00:33:34,634 --> 00:33:36,594 Speaker 3: He said, I want my family to know that I 569 00:33:36,634 --> 00:33:38,154 Speaker 3: went down trying to save lives. 570 00:33:39,114 --> 00:33:44,594 Speaker 2: It's incredibly moving, and you know, the world is, as 571 00:33:44,594 --> 00:33:46,794 Speaker 2: I've said, the world is calling him a hero, and 572 00:33:46,834 --> 00:33:49,474 Speaker 2: I think this probably fewer times that that word is 573 00:33:49,514 --> 00:33:52,914 Speaker 2: more apt. Yeah, his actions and the fact that, as 574 00:33:52,954 --> 00:33:55,914 Speaker 2: you said before, Jesse, that it was caught on films 575 00:33:55,954 --> 00:34:00,154 Speaker 2: so clearly have absolutely stunned the world. There are articles 576 00:34:00,194 --> 00:34:03,994 Speaker 2: about that man in British newspapers all over American side. 577 00:34:04,034 --> 00:34:08,394 Speaker 7: And look, even Donald Trump mentioned him, and he's really 578 00:34:08,594 --> 00:34:10,314 Speaker 7: I think the whole world's talking about him today. 579 00:34:10,433 --> 00:34:12,194 Speaker 1: I mean, what a hero it was. 580 00:34:12,314 --> 00:34:17,034 Speaker 4: So you know, they always say when you're feeling absolutely despair, 581 00:34:17,354 --> 00:34:19,274 Speaker 4: look for the helpers and you need to have your 582 00:34:19,274 --> 00:34:23,114 Speaker 4: spirits lifted. Look to the people who run towards the danger. 583 00:34:23,314 --> 00:34:28,194 Speaker 4: And armad al Ahmed there's no one who could. He 584 00:34:28,274 --> 00:34:30,834 Speaker 4: had no experience with guns. He just was a passer by. 585 00:34:31,034 --> 00:34:34,154 Speaker 4: He wasn't there for the Hunuker celebrations. He just was 586 00:34:34,194 --> 00:34:34,754 Speaker 4: at the beach. 587 00:34:34,954 --> 00:34:38,954 Speaker 7: People are saying it's the most extraordinary footage they've ever seen. 588 00:34:39,194 --> 00:34:43,114 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I heard ABC News were speculating that he 589 00:34:43,194 --> 00:34:44,514 Speaker 5: must have been a plane clothed. 590 00:34:44,674 --> 00:34:47,634 Speaker 6: Police officer. They kept saying, I thought, for. 591 00:34:47,674 --> 00:34:50,433 Speaker 4: Someone trained in the army, he didn't seem like I 592 00:34:50,594 --> 00:34:52,994 Speaker 4: had never picked up a gun before. But I was 593 00:34:53,034 --> 00:34:55,634 Speaker 4: so moved by the way he put the gun down 594 00:34:56,554 --> 00:35:01,754 Speaker 4: because he was being shot at, and the footage of 595 00:35:02,154 --> 00:35:07,634 Speaker 4: after he disarmed that man who's sort of cow as 596 00:35:07,674 --> 00:35:09,354 Speaker 4: if to say, don't shoot me. 597 00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,274 Speaker 5: But the fact that the average Australian would not even 598 00:35:12,434 --> 00:35:15,314 Speaker 5: know what way to hold a gun, and that was 599 00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:17,034 Speaker 5: the thing. He didn't know what to do with it 600 00:35:17,114 --> 00:35:19,114 Speaker 5: because he had probably never had a gun in his 601 00:35:19,154 --> 00:35:19,794 Speaker 5: hands before. 602 00:35:19,834 --> 00:35:22,314 Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll hear, well, we will hear his story. 603 00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:24,194 Speaker 2: I'm sure when he gets out of hospital. His family 604 00:35:24,354 --> 00:35:26,354 Speaker 2: been speaking to the media a little bit today and 605 00:35:26,394 --> 00:35:29,354 Speaker 2: saying that they're just obviously hoping for a quick recovery 606 00:35:29,394 --> 00:35:31,954 Speaker 2: for him. The thing is is that his act of 607 00:35:31,994 --> 00:35:35,434 Speaker 2: bravery it kind of shone a light on all across 608 00:35:35,474 --> 00:35:37,794 Speaker 2: that beach in that moment, all the little acts of 609 00:35:37,794 --> 00:35:41,194 Speaker 2: bravery that were happening. There were people who were bystandards. 610 00:35:41,194 --> 00:35:43,994 Speaker 2: There were surf life savers sprinting for first aid kits, 611 00:35:44,194 --> 00:35:47,194 Speaker 2: there were surfers carrying people on their boards as stretchers. 612 00:35:47,474 --> 00:35:50,433 Speaker 2: And then the paramedics come and they are running into 613 00:35:50,514 --> 00:35:54,114 Speaker 2: a live fire situation and yes it's their job, but 614 00:35:54,234 --> 00:35:56,953 Speaker 2: my god, and they are They said that cops were 615 00:35:56,994 --> 00:35:59,354 Speaker 2: jumping into the ambulances and driving them to hospitals with 616 00:35:59,394 --> 00:36:02,794 Speaker 2: the the paramedics could keep working in the back because 617 00:36:02,834 --> 00:36:06,194 Speaker 2: it was all hands on deck. Unprecedented. We've said that 618 00:36:06,194 --> 00:36:08,314 Speaker 2: a lot today is that Australia is supposed to be 619 00:36:08,354 --> 00:36:10,914 Speaker 2: safe and this isn't supposed to happen here. And generally speaking, 620 00:36:10,954 --> 00:36:13,554 Speaker 2: it doesn't happen here, you know. So it's not like 621 00:36:13,634 --> 00:36:16,114 Speaker 2: we've got forces of people who are dealing with this 622 00:36:16,234 --> 00:36:20,993 Speaker 2: every day. And the level of bravery from Ahmed, from 623 00:36:21,154 --> 00:36:23,194 Speaker 2: the other people on the beach, the parents who are 624 00:36:23,194 --> 00:36:25,954 Speaker 2: standing in front of their kids, the husband who died 625 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:30,513 Speaker 2: protecting his wife from gunfire, the shopkeepers who let people 626 00:36:30,594 --> 00:36:32,393 Speaker 2: run in and hide in their back I mean this. 627 00:36:33,434 --> 00:36:35,874 Speaker 3: It has become like a cliche. 628 00:36:35,234 --> 00:36:37,674 Speaker 2: To say look for the helpers, look for the light, 629 00:36:37,674 --> 00:36:40,474 Speaker 2: as we were saying, But it matters. I think it 630 00:36:40,554 --> 00:36:44,234 Speaker 2: really matters because you can you can feel so dark and. 631 00:36:44,194 --> 00:36:47,314 Speaker 4: So and that's what is. It's about the triumph of 632 00:36:47,394 --> 00:36:52,834 Speaker 4: light over darkness. It's about that good will triumph over evil. 633 00:36:53,274 --> 00:36:56,994 Speaker 7: In that same video, I was struck by two other helpers. 634 00:36:57,194 --> 00:37:00,194 Speaker 7: There was a man who threw an object, yeah, a 635 00:37:00,354 --> 00:37:08,154 Speaker 7: powering terrorist, and I just her axposed ere and then 636 00:37:08,194 --> 00:37:11,914 Speaker 7: I was very moved by this as armored el armored 637 00:37:13,354 --> 00:37:19,274 Speaker 7: gingerly put the gun by a tree. Another person ran up, 638 00:37:19,634 --> 00:37:22,634 Speaker 7: I think, just to be by his side because they 639 00:37:22,634 --> 00:37:26,594 Speaker 7: could see that he was in this extraordinary situation. And 640 00:37:26,634 --> 00:37:30,194 Speaker 7: the two people, I think it was another man, the 641 00:37:30,274 --> 00:37:33,594 Speaker 7: two men hid together behind a tree. 642 00:37:33,914 --> 00:37:37,913 Speaker 5: And what's remarkable is that that would have been all 643 00:37:37,994 --> 00:37:41,993 Speaker 5: on instinct, right, And you see people who were at 644 00:37:42,034 --> 00:37:45,234 Speaker 5: the beach will have had a range of different responses 645 00:37:45,274 --> 00:37:47,433 Speaker 5: to what happened, whether it was that they froze or 646 00:37:47,474 --> 00:37:51,234 Speaker 5: they ran, or they fought. And so to see that 647 00:37:51,354 --> 00:37:56,553 Speaker 5: man working on instinct, that's like the majority of people 648 00:37:56,634 --> 00:37:58,994 Speaker 5: are good and they and they want to help. And 649 00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:03,714 Speaker 5: we're seeing that today with Lifeblood, who has said they've 650 00:38:03,714 --> 00:38:07,794 Speaker 5: said one thing you can do is donate blood that 651 00:38:07,834 --> 00:38:11,913 Speaker 5: came directly from the premiere and for some people who 652 00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:16,634 Speaker 5: need blood, they might need one hundred donations, right. 653 00:38:17,114 --> 00:38:21,354 Speaker 4: And they are accused as a Red Blood bank across 654 00:38:21,394 --> 00:38:24,834 Speaker 4: the road from our office, and they're accused everywhere. There 655 00:38:24,834 --> 00:38:27,634 Speaker 4: are mobile blood banks being set up because it's going 656 00:38:27,634 --> 00:38:29,754 Speaker 4: into the holiday season, which already is a really tough 657 00:38:29,754 --> 00:38:30,993 Speaker 4: time of. 658 00:38:30,994 --> 00:38:32,634 Speaker 1: High need for the blood bank. 659 00:38:32,714 --> 00:38:35,393 Speaker 4: Also the doctors and the nurses that were called into 660 00:38:35,434 --> 00:38:41,913 Speaker 4: hospitals yesterday, all the first responders who ran towards the danger, and. 661 00:38:41,954 --> 00:38:46,914 Speaker 5: Many who you know within I know through the community, 662 00:38:46,954 --> 00:38:51,234 Speaker 5: many whom are Jewish and are then dealing with this 663 00:38:51,274 --> 00:38:57,194 Speaker 5: personal trauma and then having to act and being called on. 664 00:38:57,274 --> 00:39:00,393 Speaker 5: There were messages going around that New South Wales health 665 00:39:00,394 --> 00:39:03,834 Speaker 5: workers were kind of going to just as you say, 666 00:39:03,834 --> 00:39:07,033 Speaker 5: all hands on deck, but to see the lines around 667 00:39:07,034 --> 00:39:11,513 Speaker 5: the corner and lifeblood to say, okay, we're being inundated, 668 00:39:11,794 --> 00:39:14,034 Speaker 5: try and book in. It's just such a reminder that 669 00:39:14,074 --> 00:39:16,794 Speaker 5: if you have any time off over this period, that 670 00:39:16,914 --> 00:39:19,913 Speaker 5: it is moments like this that there needs to be 671 00:39:20,114 --> 00:39:23,794 Speaker 5: supply because they are sending it across states. 672 00:39:23,474 --> 00:39:24,953 Speaker 1: And that all time to do. 673 00:39:25,074 --> 00:39:28,154 Speaker 5: It's such a practical good thing to do, especially if 674 00:39:28,194 --> 00:39:29,634 Speaker 5: you have own negative blood. 675 00:39:29,754 --> 00:39:31,634 Speaker 6: So that's something that people can do today. 676 00:39:31,634 --> 00:39:34,714 Speaker 2: They were saying that even if you can't get in today, 677 00:39:35,034 --> 00:39:36,314 Speaker 2: you can keep going. 678 00:39:36,434 --> 00:39:37,914 Speaker 1: It was all booked out today. 679 00:39:38,074 --> 00:39:40,674 Speaker 4: I jumped on last night and I couldn't get in 680 00:39:40,754 --> 00:39:43,274 Speaker 4: until sort of Wednesday or Thursday this week. 681 00:39:43,394 --> 00:39:46,314 Speaker 2: The local member for went with a leg responder also 682 00:39:46,434 --> 00:39:51,034 Speaker 2: encourages people to donate to local mental health charities, particularly 683 00:39:51,034 --> 00:39:53,194 Speaker 2: for use to deal with some of the trauma of 684 00:39:53,274 --> 00:39:57,393 Speaker 2: the community, obviously the community of people who were at 685 00:39:57,394 --> 00:40:00,434 Speaker 2: the Hannock event, but also the trauma of the community 686 00:40:00,434 --> 00:40:02,114 Speaker 2: of people who are at the beach that day and 687 00:40:02,154 --> 00:40:03,674 Speaker 2: who have witnessed. 688 00:40:03,194 --> 00:40:03,634 Speaker 3: All of this. 689 00:40:03,754 --> 00:40:06,514 Speaker 1: And the Bondai community in general. 690 00:40:07,194 --> 00:40:09,114 Speaker 5: Said to me or I've got my whole you know, 691 00:40:09,674 --> 00:40:13,794 Speaker 5: hundreds of Catholics messaging sending love to the Jewish side 692 00:40:13,794 --> 00:40:16,794 Speaker 5: of the family and how they would really like to 693 00:40:16,874 --> 00:40:19,714 Speaker 5: just all stand outside the synagogues this week and just 694 00:40:19,834 --> 00:40:22,234 Speaker 5: make sure that you know, like and how do you 695 00:40:22,354 --> 00:40:24,914 Speaker 5: ensure that there's there's safety. 696 00:40:24,994 --> 00:40:29,554 Speaker 4: Yeah, that means a lot, you know, that means a lot. 697 00:40:29,634 --> 00:40:35,234 Speaker 4: And also just be careful of words. Words. You know, 698 00:40:35,794 --> 00:40:38,434 Speaker 4: words are not violence, but they can lead to violence. 699 00:40:38,674 --> 00:40:43,114 Speaker 4: And there's been a lot of very inflammatory language about 700 00:40:43,194 --> 00:40:47,314 Speaker 4: Jewish people over the last few years, particularly on social media, and. 701 00:40:49,034 --> 00:40:50,074 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's. 702 00:40:51,434 --> 00:40:57,714 Speaker 4: Just the result those things can sometimes lead to horrifying actions, 703 00:40:57,754 --> 00:41:16,114 Speaker 4: as we saw yesterday. 704 00:41:11,794 --> 00:41:12,594 Speaker 6: Out Louders. 705 00:41:13,194 --> 00:41:17,074 Speaker 2: Obviously, we're recording this at lunchtime on Monday, and as 706 00:41:17,114 --> 00:41:20,433 Speaker 2: we're talking details are coming out, so we haven't been 707 00:41:20,474 --> 00:41:22,433 Speaker 2: sharing names of the victims because we know there is 708 00:41:22,594 --> 00:41:26,513 Speaker 2: much more to come heartbreakingly, but as we're recording this, 709 00:41:27,114 --> 00:41:29,913 Speaker 2: the New South Wales Authority say that fifteen people have 710 00:41:30,074 --> 00:41:35,034 Speaker 2: been killed, plus one of the gunmen. The dead include 711 00:41:35,034 --> 00:41:38,194 Speaker 2: a ten year old girl. The two gunmen are a 712 00:41:38,194 --> 00:41:41,874 Speaker 2: father and son. Forty two people were taken into hospital, 713 00:41:41,994 --> 00:41:45,714 Speaker 2: including two police officers who remain in a critical condition. 714 00:41:46,674 --> 00:41:50,114 Speaker 2: Those are the facts as we record this now. But 715 00:41:50,194 --> 00:41:53,354 Speaker 2: what's behind those facts, of course, is so much pain 716 00:41:53,474 --> 00:41:55,954 Speaker 2: and fear and heartbreak. And I just want all of 717 00:41:55,954 --> 00:41:57,873 Speaker 2: the out louders to know that from all of us, 718 00:41:58,394 --> 00:42:02,114 Speaker 2: we're sending everybody affected an enormous amount of love and 719 00:42:02,194 --> 00:42:05,354 Speaker 2: if this day is particularly heavy for you, please. 720 00:42:05,074 --> 00:42:06,274 Speaker 3: Know that help is available. 721 00:42:06,394 --> 00:42:10,034 Speaker 2: You can call life Line on thirteen eleven fourteen and 722 00:42:10,074 --> 00:42:12,114 Speaker 2: we're going to be back in your ears with something 723 00:42:12,154 --> 00:42:15,114 Speaker 2: a little bit more like usual programming tomorrow and for 724 00:42:15,194 --> 00:42:15,913 Speaker 2: the rest of the week. 725 00:42:16,234 --> 00:42:17,594 Speaker 3: Goodbye, out loud As, We love you.