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Speaker 1: Yes, we're in our new Mumamea offices finally after recording

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Speaker 1: It is the excitement hence White took us about half

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, well we also had a lot of

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Speaker 1: Oh that is a long time, a lot of build up.

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Speaker 2: But what are we talking about today? Because we are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's so much to say. This has been

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, buckling, Because you know how people say

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Speaker 2: Hard disagreed. Yeah, it's that data leak thing that we

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Speaker 2: It has. Last week it was Paris, this week's it's Blake.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good time to be a lady in.

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Speaker 1: Actually absolutely never is. So recently we talked on the

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Speaker 2: This is going to be ongoing for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Your theory out there is that Taylor Swift's father, who's

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Speaker 1: It's a whole murky situation.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that the subpoena was dropped because

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Speaker 1: But then that all your personal information could be put

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Speaker 1: I mean, the lawyers can go through to do the discoverability,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm wondering, like they maybe nudge nudged these people

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Speaker 1: Yes, because all of this really happened back in twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 2: I genuinely had never ever even heard of this.

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Speaker 2: Meghan's got her new lifestyle. Oh as ever, yeah, as ever,

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Speaker 2: And just they really enjoyed baking together. Everyone thought that

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Speaker 1: So blake Lively had always talked about the fact that

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Speaker 1: So Preserve was an artisanal lifestyle website. Jams so jam

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Speaker 2: But she wasn't fingering the items before she.

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Speaker 1: No, And it was a huge thing when it launched.

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Speaker 1: seek out and celebrate people all over America who were

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Speaker 1: making things food, clothes, pillows, dishes, dining room tables with

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Speaker 2: And was it a photo of her, like baking or

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they did the whole you know, classic Vogue spread,

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Speaker 1: she basically just had to say, like, we weren't ready

433
00:19:22,624 --> 00:19:26,024
Speaker 1: to launch, we launched too soon, and so we weren't

434
00:19:26,024 --> 00:19:28,304
Speaker 1: able to pull the business together. Well, she did come

435
00:19:28,344 --> 00:19:29,744
Speaker 1: out and say like, I just don't think we're doing

436
00:19:29,784 --> 00:19:31,864
Speaker 1: good in the world. But you don't shut down in

437
00:19:31,864 --> 00:19:33,544
Speaker 1: business because it's not doing good in the world. If

438
00:19:33,584 --> 00:19:35,144
Speaker 1: you're a celebrity. She shut it down.

439
00:19:35,024 --> 00:19:36,864
Speaker 2: Because it wasn't making it was hemorrhaging money.

440
00:19:36,904 --> 00:19:37,784
Speaker 1: It was hemorrhaging money.

441
00:19:37,864 --> 00:19:42,904
Speaker 2: And Ryan Reynolds was like, OI, you enjoyed your passion project. Yeah,

442
00:19:42,944 --> 00:19:44,824
Speaker 2: but let's we got to nip it in the bard Blake.

443
00:19:44,984 --> 00:19:47,024
Speaker 2: You've got a start, we've got a mortgage to pay,

444
00:19:47,024 --> 00:19:48,704
Speaker 2: we've got several we've got our big house, we've got

445
00:19:48,704 --> 00:19:51,504
Speaker 2: our small house. Yeah, we need you to cut it.

446
00:19:51,904 --> 00:19:54,224
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was all happening. And then later on an interview,

447
00:19:54,384 --> 00:19:57,104
Speaker 1: she said that if she could go back in time,

448
00:19:57,144 --> 00:19:59,024
Speaker 1: the one thing she would do is wait like almost

449
00:19:59,064 --> 00:20:00,704
Speaker 1: a year to launch it, because she said, and I

450
00:20:00,784 --> 00:20:02,864
Speaker 1: do feel for her in this moment because it would

451
00:20:02,864 --> 00:20:05,224
Speaker 1: be a tricky situation. So she said she wasn't ready

452
00:20:05,224 --> 00:20:07,424
Speaker 1: to launch preserve that she hadn't got everything light it

453
00:20:07,464 --> 00:20:09,944
Speaker 1: behind the scenes. She hadn't really got her team together.

454
00:20:09,944 --> 00:20:12,144
Speaker 1: She had of what the company would be. But then

455
00:20:12,224 --> 00:20:15,104
Speaker 1: Vogue called and said, we'll put you on the cover

456
00:20:15,224 --> 00:20:18,264
Speaker 1: on this state and you have to and she exactly

457
00:20:18,424 --> 00:20:20,424
Speaker 1: she said that she's like, you don't say no to Vogue,

458
00:20:20,504 --> 00:20:22,544
Speaker 1: you don't say no to Anna Win Tour. And so

459
00:20:22,864 --> 00:20:25,464
Speaker 1: in order to secure that Vogue cover that Vogue had

460
00:20:25,464 --> 00:20:26,904
Speaker 1: just said to her, we're putting you on the cover

461
00:20:26,984 --> 00:20:29,704
Speaker 1: on this state. Have your website ready to go? She

462
00:20:29,864 --> 00:20:33,104
Speaker 1: had to hustle behind the scenes, and basically she pressed

463
00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:34,744
Speaker 1: start on the website or go I don't know what

464
00:20:34,784 --> 00:20:38,864
Speaker 1: you do on a website before. Yeah, press before they

465
00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:41,784
Speaker 1: were ready, and then because they had such a bad start,

466
00:20:42,264 --> 00:20:45,184
Speaker 1: they faltered so badly behind the scenes. Basically she said

467
00:20:45,184 --> 00:20:46,464
Speaker 1: that they can never recover.

468
00:20:46,424 --> 00:20:50,184
Speaker 2: Which sucks, Like, Yeah, every single person in their career

469
00:20:50,784 --> 00:20:54,584
Speaker 2: has a big f up or they have failures, like

470
00:20:54,584 --> 00:20:57,064
Speaker 2: we all do, but most of us don't do it

471
00:20:57,104 --> 00:20:59,904
Speaker 2: in the public eye one hundred buses. It's embarrassing.

472
00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,904
Speaker 1: And also, I guess, like one good thing about the

473
00:21:02,904 --> 00:21:04,464
Speaker 1: fame when you're starting a business is that you have

474
00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:06,704
Speaker 1: that built in audience. But obviously the bad thing is not

475
00:21:07,264 --> 00:21:10,904
Speaker 1: ro quietly in the background and refine things, get things

476
00:21:11,384 --> 00:21:13,824
Speaker 1: sorted before you find an audience. So a lot of

477
00:21:13,824 --> 00:21:15,864
Speaker 1: people came in that first two weeks, for the first

478
00:21:15,864 --> 00:21:18,344
Speaker 1: two months that Preserve was up, saw what a shit

479
00:21:18,384 --> 00:21:20,304
Speaker 1: show it was, and then like bailed out of there

480
00:21:20,344 --> 00:21:22,704
Speaker 1: and never came back. And I think also Blake C.

481
00:21:22,704 --> 00:21:25,864
Speaker 1: Lively was talking about when her business failed, about how

482
00:21:25,944 --> 00:21:28,904
Speaker 1: much she felt she was really pitted against Gwyneth Paltrow

483
00:21:28,944 --> 00:21:30,744
Speaker 1: and Martha Stewart, and she's like, I don't feel like

484
00:21:30,824 --> 00:21:34,224
Speaker 1: male entrepreneurs get pitted against each other in the same way.

485
00:21:34,424 --> 00:21:34,824
Speaker 2: Yeah.

486
00:21:34,904 --> 00:21:36,584
Speaker 1: I mean, she's never said this, but I feel like,

487
00:21:36,584 --> 00:21:38,464
Speaker 1: because Gwyneth Paltrow, everyone was like, oh, she was a

488
00:21:38,504 --> 00:21:40,744
Speaker 1: mean girl to Blake Lively and all this sort of stuff.

489
00:21:40,864 --> 00:21:43,304
Speaker 1: I feel like now Gwyneth Paltrow has like really over

490
00:21:43,424 --> 00:21:45,584
Speaker 1: corrected an interesting way because she.

491
00:21:45,624 --> 00:21:46,704
Speaker 2: Was a mean girl to Blake Lively.

492
00:21:47,304 --> 00:21:49,184
Speaker 1: No, no one's ever that was like a tabloid thing.

493
00:21:49,304 --> 00:21:50,944
Speaker 1: I actually don't think she was, but there was this

494
00:21:50,984 --> 00:21:53,304
Speaker 1: whole thing of like the blonde white women fighting with

495
00:21:53,344 --> 00:21:56,904
Speaker 1: their lifestyle websites and Gwyneth Paltrow's trounced Blake Lively. That

496
00:21:56,984 --> 00:21:59,424
Speaker 1: was the kind of story at the time. And now

497
00:21:59,944 --> 00:22:02,504
Speaker 1: I think Gwyneth Paltrow has like overcorrected. Whereas any other

498
00:22:02,584 --> 00:22:05,944
Speaker 1: celebrity launches a website that's kind of in the same

499
00:22:06,024 --> 00:22:08,584
Speaker 1: world as group, she's so quick to jump in like

500
00:22:08,624 --> 00:22:11,264
Speaker 1: that's why she had done. Yeah, we had Courtney Kadashi

501
00:22:11,304 --> 00:22:13,824
Speaker 1: on her podcast and they've posted photos together because when

502
00:22:13,824 --> 00:22:16,864
Speaker 1: Courtney launched Poosh, everyone called her wanna be Gwyneth And

503
00:22:16,904 --> 00:22:19,184
Speaker 1: that's also you know, recently she put up that Instagram

504
00:22:19,224 --> 00:22:21,424
Speaker 1: story about people are asking me if I'm fighting with

505
00:22:21,464 --> 00:22:24,104
Speaker 1: Megan Markel over our lifestyle sites, and then she'd panned

506
00:22:24,104 --> 00:22:26,144
Speaker 1: the camera and Megan's like sitting up at her kitchen

507
00:22:26,144 --> 00:22:28,624
Speaker 1: table with her leg up on the table, eating cake,

508
00:22:28,664 --> 00:22:30,624
Speaker 1: and she just kind of shrugged. So it's like that

509
00:22:30,664 --> 00:22:32,824
Speaker 1: whole thing of showing that they're really close, from which

510
00:22:32,824 --> 00:22:33,544
Speaker 1: I like the behind.

511
00:22:33,704 --> 00:22:36,584
Speaker 2: I do like that the narrative that there's room for

512
00:22:36,624 --> 00:22:40,024
Speaker 2: everyone rather than pitting each other, because there is, like

513
00:22:40,024 --> 00:22:43,144
Speaker 2: people want to read articles and want to buy things.

514
00:22:43,584 --> 00:22:46,584
Speaker 2: They always will, so it's okay to have different platforms

515
00:22:46,624 --> 00:22:50,704
Speaker 2: to do it. Can we get into the goss?

516
00:22:50,824 --> 00:22:53,144
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, this is what Kelly's been waiting for. So

517
00:22:53,224 --> 00:22:54,384
Speaker 1: the reason why we're to luck.

518
00:22:54,344 --> 00:22:56,744
Speaker 2: Anyway back to the history. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

519
00:22:56,944 --> 00:22:58,104
Speaker 2: we need to talk about the gossip.

520
00:22:58,224 --> 00:23:00,624
Speaker 1: I thought we just had to understand where we're coming from.

521
00:23:00,744 --> 00:23:03,544
Speaker 1: But yes, the reason why we're talking about this this week,

522
00:23:03,584 --> 00:23:05,264
Speaker 1: apart from the fact that I will talk to anyone

523
00:23:05,264 --> 00:23:07,624
Speaker 1: about Blake c Lively's Preserve anytime that they want to

524
00:23:07,944 --> 00:23:10,944
Speaker 1: chat about it. Is that this week, in the midst

525
00:23:10,984 --> 00:23:14,784
Speaker 1: of the whole Justin Baldoni lawsuit, six former staff members

526
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:19,144
Speaker 1: of Blake Clively's lifestyle website Preserve have come forward about

527
00:23:19,784 --> 00:23:22,064
Speaker 1: what it was like to work for her. And this

528
00:23:22,184 --> 00:23:24,744
Speaker 1: is the first time these stories have ever come out,

529
00:23:24,984 --> 00:23:29,264
Speaker 1: which could be Justin's team pushing them. Also, maybe a

530
00:23:29,304 --> 00:23:31,984
Speaker 1: ten year NDA, Yeah, potentially.

531
00:23:31,464 --> 00:23:33,384
Speaker 2: Because if it shut ten years ago, they might have

532
00:23:33,424 --> 00:23:35,384
Speaker 2: had a settlement and signed something that said they couldn't

533
00:23:35,384 --> 00:23:36,304
Speaker 2: talk about it for a decade.

534
00:23:36,504 --> 00:23:38,704
Speaker 1: That is word on the street exactly why they're doing it.

535
00:23:39,024 --> 00:23:40,944
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wonder how much they got. I

536
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:43,504
Speaker 2: would love someone to be awful to me for money.

537
00:23:43,664 --> 00:23:45,424
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm I'm sure we could have read that

538
00:23:45,464 --> 00:23:46,384
Speaker 1: this is Sydney after all.

539
00:23:46,464 --> 00:23:48,304
Speaker 2: Can you be awful to me? And then I'm going

540
00:23:48,344 --> 00:23:50,104
Speaker 2: to pray you and you're like pay.

541
00:23:49,944 --> 00:23:52,024
Speaker 1: Me, you know what you can buy my silence and

542
00:23:52,064 --> 00:23:53,104
Speaker 1: my soul and everything.

543
00:23:53,144 --> 00:23:56,304
Speaker 2: That's I'm so like here for that.

544
00:23:56,504 --> 00:23:58,224
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the end of whiteloaders. So like, I

545
00:23:58,224 --> 00:23:59,624
Speaker 1: can't believe she took the money. I was like, as

546
00:23:59,624 --> 00:24:01,704
Speaker 1: if she couldn't. I would I would have as.

547
00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:04,544
Speaker 2: Well taken ten grand to be fair.

548
00:24:04,664 --> 00:24:08,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you could have lowballed me. So apparently these

549
00:24:08,264 --> 00:24:10,304
Speaker 1: people who have worked for Blake c. Lively think it's

550
00:24:10,504 --> 00:24:12,824
Speaker 1: very ironic. These are from the it was Daily Mail

551
00:24:12,824 --> 00:24:14,984
Speaker 1: who ran the whole big expos eight and interviewed them,

552
00:24:15,184 --> 00:24:17,664
Speaker 1: So they think it's very ironic that Blake c. Lively

553
00:24:17,864 --> 00:24:21,304
Speaker 1: is suing Justin Baldoni and his studio for a toxic

554
00:24:21,304 --> 00:24:24,104
Speaker 1: work environment when she herself made them work in a

555
00:24:24,144 --> 00:24:27,144
Speaker 1: toxic workplace. So they said working for Blake Lively and

556
00:24:27,224 --> 00:24:31,824
Speaker 1: Preserve was toxic, unprofessional and chaotic. So one staffer told

557
00:24:31,824 --> 00:24:35,264
Speaker 1: The Daily Mail that the entire company was an absolute disaster.

558
00:24:35,744 --> 00:24:39,144
Speaker 1: Oh and the workplace allegations that Blake Lively is now

559
00:24:39,184 --> 00:24:41,544
Speaker 1: making against Justin Baldoni this is still the same source,

560
00:24:41,824 --> 00:24:43,944
Speaker 1: are deeply ironic, given that it was one of the

561
00:24:43,944 --> 00:24:47,864
Speaker 1: most insane, toxic, emotionally draining and disorganized environs you could

562
00:24:47,904 --> 00:24:48,824
Speaker 1: ever imagine.

563
00:24:48,984 --> 00:24:50,344
Speaker 2: That's not what you want to want to read on

564
00:24:50,344 --> 00:24:51,504
Speaker 2: the last store when you go on.

565
00:24:52,184 --> 00:24:56,104
Speaker 1: No, not at all. Another ex employee said, the impression

566
00:24:56,104 --> 00:24:58,224
Speaker 1: that Blake Lively left on me after I worked to

567
00:24:58,304 --> 00:25:00,664
Speaker 1: preserve is that she just didn't care it was a

568
00:25:00,704 --> 00:25:03,384
Speaker 1: really toxic work environment. Well, the we're toxic getting a

569
00:25:03,384 --> 00:25:06,264
Speaker 1: whole kind of rundown here. That same staffer was trying

570
00:25:06,264 --> 00:25:07,944
Speaker 1: to get examples about saying that, and this is I

571
00:25:07,984 --> 00:25:10,904
Speaker 1: think it feels true. Again, it's an allegation, but it

572
00:25:10,984 --> 00:25:13,224
Speaker 1: ties into that idea that Blake Lively was really all

573
00:25:13,264 --> 00:25:15,544
Speaker 1: about like the visual elements of her company, but not

574
00:25:15,584 --> 00:25:19,104
Speaker 1: the inner workings. So this particular person told the Daily

575
00:25:19,144 --> 00:25:21,664
Speaker 1: Mail that they were going to do a photo shoot

576
00:25:21,784 --> 00:25:26,344
Speaker 1: for the brand at Blake Lively's Westchester Country estate in

577
00:25:26,384 --> 00:25:29,224
Speaker 1: New York. That's where she's neighbors with Martha Stewart. And

578
00:25:29,344 --> 00:25:32,544
Speaker 1: when the preserved staffers and a model all arrived, so

579
00:25:32,584 --> 00:25:34,264
Speaker 1: Blake c. Lively wasn't going to be in the photos.

580
00:25:34,304 --> 00:25:35,864
Speaker 1: They had brought a model, they had brought the whole

581
00:25:35,864 --> 00:25:37,944
Speaker 1: photo crew. They were going to this whole day shoot

582
00:25:38,304 --> 00:25:41,024
Speaker 1: at Blake Lively's home, and they said that she just

583
00:25:41,184 --> 00:25:44,664
Speaker 1: stumbled out of the house late, looking like an absolute

584
00:25:44,704 --> 00:25:46,904
Speaker 1: mess and wasn't prepared for them at all. And they

585
00:25:46,904 --> 00:25:49,224
Speaker 1: gave the impression that she had told all these people

586
00:25:49,384 --> 00:25:51,744
Speaker 1: like demanded they come to her home to do this

587
00:25:51,784 --> 00:25:54,864
Speaker 1: photo shoot and then she wasn't prepared, is the allegation.

588
00:25:55,544 --> 00:25:58,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, none of what I'd like if I

589
00:25:58,664 --> 00:26:01,224
Speaker 2: had a dollar, But I just think, like you could

590
00:26:01,304 --> 00:26:05,544
Speaker 2: literally write this about most CEOs of company. Yeah, there's

591
00:26:05,624 --> 00:26:09,064
Speaker 2: always disgruntled employees, there's always a little bit of dever

592
00:26:09,224 --> 00:26:13,584
Speaker 2: activity and especially and I'll probably get in trouble for

593
00:26:13,624 --> 00:26:16,064
Speaker 2: saying this, but there is a big difference between a

594
00:26:16,064 --> 00:26:18,504
Speaker 2: lot of female CEOs and a lot of male CEOs.

595
00:26:19,024 --> 00:26:22,184
Speaker 2: Female CEOs do tend to care about the optics and

596
00:26:22,224 --> 00:26:26,024
Speaker 2: the aesthetics more. And this is generalization, of course, but

597
00:26:26,224 --> 00:26:29,584
Speaker 2: more so than the male CEOs, who are like numbers,

598
00:26:30,824 --> 00:26:33,424
Speaker 2: how does it work in the back end. So then

599
00:26:33,624 --> 00:26:36,304
Speaker 2: it is harder sometimes to work for women because they're like,

600
00:26:36,424 --> 00:26:38,624
Speaker 2: let's do it like this. Oh wait, no, no, no, no,

601
00:26:38,784 --> 00:26:40,344
Speaker 2: I actually want to do it like this, whereas a

602
00:26:40,344 --> 00:26:42,424
Speaker 2: man's just like do it. I don't care, just as

603
00:26:42,424 --> 00:26:44,584
Speaker 2: long as it's making money. And I know, I just

604
00:26:44,584 --> 00:26:46,464
Speaker 2: want to put on the record. I know that that's

605
00:26:46,464 --> 00:26:49,624
Speaker 2: a generalization, but I also know that I've worked for

606
00:26:49,664 --> 00:26:52,224
Speaker 2: a lot of women and a lot of men, and

607
00:26:52,744 --> 00:26:54,504
Speaker 2: there's some real key similarities.

608
00:26:54,664 --> 00:26:57,424
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, no, I think that's fair enough, especially

609
00:26:57,504 --> 00:26:59,504
Speaker 1: maybe in a particular type of woman who would be

610
00:26:59,504 --> 00:27:01,504
Speaker 1: wanting to run this company or so like the fief

611
00:27:01,544 --> 00:27:01,864
Speaker 1: of it.

612
00:27:01,864 --> 00:27:03,344
Speaker 2: It's not like a data company.

613
00:27:03,384 --> 00:27:05,304
Speaker 1: But I also think it's time back into what Blake

614
00:27:05,344 --> 00:27:07,744
Speaker 1: Lively was saying about women having that microscope on them,

615
00:27:07,744 --> 00:27:09,584
Speaker 1: because I wonder if they just know that, they'll be

616
00:27:09,624 --> 00:27:11,504
Speaker 1: more ripped apart if like the photos don't look a

617
00:27:11,544 --> 00:27:13,704
Speaker 1: certain way, or they don't look a certain way or something,

618
00:27:13,744 --> 00:27:16,384
Speaker 1: because there's more of a microscope on the look of

619
00:27:16,424 --> 00:27:17,544
Speaker 1: it rather than exactly.

620
00:27:18,064 --> 00:27:20,784
Speaker 2: But then ten years later there's a huge microscope on

621
00:27:20,864 --> 00:27:24,304
Speaker 2: it because she's an awful boss to work for, whereas

622
00:27:24,344 --> 00:27:27,304
Speaker 2: if it was well, actually Ryan Reynolds. Because she's a

623
00:27:27,344 --> 00:27:31,704
Speaker 2: celebrity and a woman, then people are immediately like, well,

624
00:27:31,744 --> 00:27:36,584
Speaker 2: she's just a mule. Even though most workplaces there's problems

625
00:27:36,624 --> 00:27:38,264
Speaker 2: with the boss. There always is that to.

626
00:27:38,224 --> 00:27:40,704
Speaker 1: Your life works yeah, yeah, oh no, one hundred percent.

627
00:27:40,904 --> 00:27:43,104
Speaker 1: The other allegation that's come from her team is that

628
00:27:43,144 --> 00:27:46,384
Speaker 1: Blake Clively, who is famously like very very close to

629
00:27:46,424 --> 00:27:48,824
Speaker 1: her family. She's got a big family, most of them

630
00:27:48,824 --> 00:27:51,704
Speaker 1: are actors or in the entertainment industry. In this case,

631
00:27:51,864 --> 00:27:55,184
Speaker 1: she hired her brother, Eric Lively to be the creative

632
00:27:55,184 --> 00:27:57,984
Speaker 1: director of the company. And the thing about Paul Eric

633
00:27:58,224 --> 00:28:01,224
Speaker 1: is that it seems that he was quite underqualified, oh

634
00:28:01,744 --> 00:28:02,464
Speaker 1: to be in that role.

635
00:28:02,624 --> 00:28:03,384
Speaker 2: Very underqualified.

636
00:28:03,424 --> 00:28:05,504
Speaker 1: I don't personally know Eric. I know her sister's a

637
00:28:05,504 --> 00:28:07,544
Speaker 1: bit more because they're like actresses in their own right.

638
00:28:07,744 --> 00:28:09,144
Speaker 1: This is the first one I've actually ever thought of

639
00:28:09,224 --> 00:28:11,944
Speaker 1: Eric Lively, you have to say. But they alleged that

640
00:28:12,344 --> 00:28:14,664
Speaker 1: he was made the creative director and he had no

641
00:28:14,744 --> 00:28:16,264
Speaker 1: idea how to do the job. They said he was

642
00:28:16,344 --> 00:28:19,824
Speaker 1: very careless with his role and often overslept and wouldn't

643
00:28:19,824 --> 00:28:22,984
Speaker 1: turn up to the office relatable and would leave the staffers.

644
00:28:23,224 --> 00:28:25,304
Speaker 1: The thing about him over sleeping, He's the only one

645
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Speaker 1: who had the key of the office, so everyone had

646
00:28:27,784 --> 00:28:30,144
Speaker 1: to wait for him to come to let them into

647
00:28:30,184 --> 00:28:32,904
Speaker 1: the Preserve office. Very annoying. Out of everything, this is

648
00:28:32,904 --> 00:28:34,624
Speaker 1: the one thing I was like, everything else I'd be

649
00:28:34,664 --> 00:28:35,504
Speaker 1: okay with, not this.

650
00:28:35,824 --> 00:28:39,704
Speaker 2: Very annoying. The first time I've heard something like that though, Yeah, exactly.

651
00:28:39,824 --> 00:28:42,904
Speaker 1: And so all the people who worked at Preserve would

652
00:28:42,984 --> 00:28:45,104
Speaker 1: have to wait outside in the cold on the streets

653
00:28:45,104 --> 00:28:48,024
Speaker 1: of Manhattan where they were working from a studio apartment

654
00:28:48,424 --> 00:28:50,504
Speaker 1: until Eric woke up and came and let them in.

655
00:28:50,824 --> 00:28:55,424
Speaker 1: They also said, once they got into the Eric coming down, I'm.

656
00:28:55,344 --> 00:28:58,064
Speaker 2: Just imagining he hasn't brushed his teeth. He's roll out,

657
00:28:58,184 --> 00:28:59,744
Speaker 2: rolled out of bed for some reason. He's got a

658
00:28:59,784 --> 00:29:02,784
Speaker 2: drinking problem in my mind, Like this is just purely

659
00:29:02,824 --> 00:29:05,664
Speaker 2: speculation in my head. So he stinks like booze. Yeah,

660
00:29:05,864 --> 00:29:08,304
Speaker 2: he's super hungover and he rolls out. He's a little

661
00:29:08,304 --> 00:29:11,224
Speaker 2: bit cold because he forgot his coat, and he's sorry,

662
00:29:11,224 --> 00:29:14,344
Speaker 2: everyone get up stairs. And then they're like, oh, you

663
00:29:14,344 --> 00:29:16,424
Speaker 2: smell because you didn't brush your teeth and you stink

664
00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:17,024
Speaker 2: like booze.

665
00:29:17,064 --> 00:29:19,264
Speaker 1: Oh my, Eric Lively's not coming out of this looking good.

666
00:29:19,384 --> 00:29:21,144
Speaker 1: He also makes you think he'd be the person who

667
00:29:21,224 --> 00:29:23,304
Speaker 1: comes Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Everyone's straight here,

668
00:29:23,464 --> 00:29:24,624
Speaker 1: but it's got a massive.

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00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:26,664
Speaker 2: Stuff, none for anyone else.

670
00:29:27,104 --> 00:29:28,864
Speaker 1: And he's obviously waited in line for a while.

671
00:29:29,064 --> 00:29:31,624
Speaker 2: So it was me when I worked in an office. Sorry, guys,

672
00:29:31,624 --> 00:29:32,344
Speaker 2: he's so late.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, that's me a lot get through. Also,

674
00:29:36,424 --> 00:29:38,304
Speaker 1: maybe I got held up from getting the caffeine to here.

675
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:40,544
Speaker 1: You don't know. Sorry. The other thing is that once

676
00:29:40,704 --> 00:29:43,104
Speaker 1: Eric would finally arrive and let the stuff into the

677
00:29:43,104 --> 00:29:45,904
Speaker 1: preserve offices. They had to all sit and work from

678
00:29:45,944 --> 00:29:49,624
Speaker 1: the floor of a studio apartment, they're alleging because nobody

679
00:29:49,864 --> 00:29:54,424
Speaker 1: bought them desks or chairs, and so I don't know,

680
00:29:54,544 --> 00:29:57,264
Speaker 1: is it they said were quite comfortable if there was

681
00:29:57,304 --> 00:29:59,344
Speaker 1: a rug. I don't know. There was no rug, Kelly.

682
00:29:59,424 --> 00:30:03,464
Speaker 2: This is not a world with Ruggs wooden floor boards.

683
00:30:04,024 --> 00:30:07,304
Speaker 1: There absolutely was not. So. One of the former staff

684
00:30:07,304 --> 00:30:10,184
Speaker 1: members told The Daily Mail allegedly that for many we

685
00:30:10,344 --> 00:30:13,104
Speaker 1: weeks and months there were no desks, and they said

686
00:30:13,144 --> 00:30:15,704
Speaker 1: the irony of it being a lifestyle site that was

687
00:30:15,784 --> 00:30:19,464
Speaker 1: selling these really expensive weares was not lost on anyone,

688
00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:22,544
Speaker 1: and that Eric, who claimed to be an actor but

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00:30:22,584 --> 00:30:25,304
Speaker 1: who never really acted, was acting the part of a

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Speaker 1: creative director.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that the kitchen had all of this

692
00:30:32,424 --> 00:30:40,544
Speaker 2: expensive Artisian artistical artisanal goods for their I don't think so.

693
00:30:41,424 --> 00:30:43,224
Speaker 2: Did they shop at Aldi for their stuff?

694
00:30:43,464 --> 00:30:45,704
Speaker 1: Probably not even that, because.

695
00:30:45,784 --> 00:30:47,584
Speaker 2: There is no salt and pepper in this kitchen.

696
00:30:47,784 --> 00:30:50,344
Speaker 1: No, I think, because like I think, like the workspace

697
00:30:50,664 --> 00:30:52,904
Speaker 1: for a lot of these kind of lifestyle companies, it's

698
00:30:52,904 --> 00:30:54,744
Speaker 1: like when you look at the group officers, like it's

699
00:30:54,744 --> 00:30:57,864
Speaker 1: all these beige rooms with sunlight, and the group women

700
00:30:57,944 --> 00:30:59,744
Speaker 1: who were always like beautiful and tall.

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00:30:59,584 --> 00:31:01,424
Speaker 2: And women have anything on their desk.

702
00:31:03,864 --> 00:31:05,704
Speaker 1: Don't even look at their computers. They are above that.

703
00:31:05,784 --> 00:31:07,664
Speaker 1: They've they've they've surpassed computers.

704
00:31:07,784 --> 00:31:10,744
Speaker 2: They make AI from their brain into the comput and.

705
00:31:10,704 --> 00:31:13,424
Speaker 1: It happens exactly, and they're all wearing cream e beasion.

706
00:31:13,424 --> 00:31:15,584
Speaker 1: They wafted through the office and that's part of the aesthetic.

707
00:31:15,904 --> 00:31:18,504
Speaker 1: Whereas Preserve never like got that far to have the

708
00:31:18,624 --> 00:31:21,664
Speaker 1: office be part of their brand, so instead they were

709
00:31:21,664 --> 00:31:23,584
Speaker 1: all just sitting on the floor of the studio apartment

710
00:31:23,624 --> 00:31:26,784
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. And they also alleged that Blake Clively and

711
00:31:27,104 --> 00:31:30,144
Speaker 1: Eric Lively, who somehow become the villain of the story

712
00:31:30,184 --> 00:31:32,784
Speaker 1: even more so, would forget to pay them for months

713
00:31:32,784 --> 00:31:37,864
Speaker 1: and months and months. So when they finally get allegedly,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine if Eric.

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Speaker 2: This is just kellies, This is a fantasy, is a

716
00:31:44,104 --> 00:31:45,024
Speaker 2: weird fantasy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's yeah, one hundred percent. The Daily Mail hasn't

718
00:31:47,384 --> 00:31:49,144
Speaker 1: even said this. We've just made it so much.

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Speaker 2: It would be good working for the Daily Mail because

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00:31:51,184 --> 00:31:53,104
Speaker 2: I could just come up with scenarios in my head.

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Speaker 1: You guys don't even need a sauce. I'll make it up.

722
00:31:55,784 --> 00:31:59,624
Speaker 1: I will, and so apparently because Blake and Eric Lively

723
00:31:59,704 --> 00:32:03,744
Speaker 1: never paid their staff. Allegedly, once their preserved team trekked

724
00:32:03,744 --> 00:32:06,664
Speaker 1: through the streets of Manhattan, waited outside the cold, went

725
00:32:06,744 --> 00:32:08,984
Speaker 1: upstairs and sat on the floor, they had no money

726
00:32:09,024 --> 00:32:11,384
Speaker 1: to buy food, and some of them really because they

727
00:32:11,464 --> 00:32:13,904
Speaker 1: never got pay they said, and that some of them

728
00:32:14,024 --> 00:32:16,144
Speaker 1: some days couldn't even afford to get to the office

729
00:32:16,144 --> 00:32:18,424
Speaker 1: because they couldn't afford to buy subway tickets because they

730
00:32:18,504 --> 00:32:19,744
Speaker 1: Blake Lively hadn't paid them.

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00:32:19,904 --> 00:32:23,304
Speaker 2: Come on, allegedly, this sounds like, you know, the devils,

732
00:32:23,744 --> 00:32:26,464
Speaker 2: this is actually in the space. Feel like that's a

733
00:32:26,504 --> 00:32:28,664
Speaker 2: little bit far fetched. So none of them live in

734
00:32:29,104 --> 00:32:31,704
Speaker 2: New York City, probably can afford the subway without you.

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00:32:31,784 --> 00:32:33,824
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was never going to be paying

736
00:32:33,824 --> 00:32:35,864
Speaker 1: that much, no, I know, but if you haven't been

737
00:32:35,864 --> 00:32:37,984
Speaker 1: paid for a few months, things would be true, a

738
00:32:38,064 --> 00:32:40,584
Speaker 1: dire true. And then they said that it ended in

739
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:42,344
Speaker 1: such a terrible way that a lot of them said

740
00:32:42,384 --> 00:32:46,104
Speaker 1: they allegedly got these really big payouts from Blake and

741
00:32:46,184 --> 00:32:49,784
Speaker 1: Ryan am assuming and Eric. I don't think Eric's paying anyone.

742
00:32:51,784 --> 00:32:55,384
Speaker 2: Just also put forward a complaint. He said, Blake, this

743
00:32:55,504 --> 00:32:56,744
Speaker 2: is not what I signed up for.

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00:32:56,824 --> 00:32:59,264
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, I'm having to remember the key. Oh,

745
00:32:59,984 --> 00:33:03,504
Speaker 1: I had to push frozen bodies off the floor. Yeah,

746
00:33:03,624 --> 00:33:05,984
Speaker 1: I had to try and sell barbecue sauce. It's not

747
00:33:06,024 --> 00:33:08,904
Speaker 1: the life Eric dreamed of. So that all happened. And

748
00:33:08,944 --> 00:33:11,824
Speaker 1: then the staff have also alleged they tried to get

749
00:33:11,824 --> 00:33:14,104
Speaker 1: the story out there for years, but every time they did,

750
00:33:14,184 --> 00:33:17,824
Speaker 1: Leslie Sloane, who's Blake Lively's publicist and like very kind

751
00:33:17,824 --> 00:33:19,744
Speaker 1: of famous in the celebrity world, have been able to

752
00:33:19,744 --> 00:33:21,864
Speaker 1: like shut things down and move stories around and all

753
00:33:21,864 --> 00:33:24,744
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Diana shut Yeah, yeah, that kind

754
00:33:24,744 --> 00:33:28,264
Speaker 1: of vibe. It's like tree Pain Taylors's publicist, then Leslie's

755
00:33:28,264 --> 00:33:30,024
Speaker 1: Sloane kind of and so the two of them coming

756
00:33:30,064 --> 00:33:33,144
Speaker 1: together unstoppable. And she has been shutting this story down

757
00:33:33,184 --> 00:33:35,264
Speaker 1: for years, is what they're saying. But it's only because

758
00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:38,184
Speaker 1: the tide has turned against Blake Lively and this whole

759
00:33:38,184 --> 00:33:40,104
Speaker 1: thing has come out with Justin Baldoni that they feel

760
00:33:40,144 --> 00:33:45,184
Speaker 1: they can speak up. So that's that's the story this week.

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00:33:45,384 --> 00:33:47,504
Speaker 1: Which do you think that that's going to have an

762
00:33:47,544 --> 00:33:50,144
Speaker 1: effect now on her public perception or have or have

763
00:33:50,184 --> 00:33:52,104
Speaker 1: a role on effect like how people in the case

764
00:33:52,144 --> 00:33:55,184
Speaker 1: see her, because it shouldn't matter what she did at

765
00:33:55,184 --> 00:33:59,344
Speaker 1: a company like over a decade ago for how she's

766
00:33:59,424 --> 00:34:01,024
Speaker 1: kind of behaving now. But I think the other thing

767
00:34:01,064 --> 00:34:03,464
Speaker 1: it's getting missed is that she's not just alleging that

768
00:34:03,584 --> 00:34:07,144
Speaker 1: Justin Baldoni treated her badly on the set. She's also

769
00:34:07,224 --> 00:34:10,744
Speaker 1: alleging sexual harassment all this other stuff. I feel like

770
00:34:10,784 --> 00:34:12,944
Speaker 1: this also feels like a bit of a decoy from

771
00:34:12,944 --> 00:34:14,104
Speaker 1: that information.

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00:34:13,904 --> 00:34:16,464
Speaker 2: I completely agree, and like, I'm not the same person

773
00:34:16,504 --> 00:34:18,504
Speaker 2: I was a decade ago. Are you the same person

774
00:34:18,544 --> 00:34:19,384
Speaker 2: you were a decade ago?

775
00:34:19,784 --> 00:34:21,104
Speaker 1: Man? I mean, look, maybe a little bit. I'm not

776
00:34:21,104 --> 00:34:23,784
Speaker 1: really big on personal growth, but maybe maybe listen, it's

777
00:34:23,824 --> 00:34:25,344
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I'm a bit more adult.

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00:34:25,464 --> 00:34:30,184
Speaker 2: I think that Firstly, it's two entirely separate issues. Secondly,

779
00:34:30,184 --> 00:34:32,424
Speaker 2: it shouldn't have anything to do with it. If they

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00:34:32,464 --> 00:34:34,984
Speaker 2: wanted to take her to court, they could have. Yeah,

781
00:34:35,064 --> 00:34:37,744
Speaker 2: Like do you know what, I it's they're two separate things.

782
00:34:37,784 --> 00:34:41,904
Speaker 2: And to be fair, as we've discussed before, the internet

783
00:34:42,064 --> 00:34:45,824
Speaker 2: really loves piling on women. And you're either really team

784
00:34:45,864 --> 00:34:49,744
Speaker 2: Blake or you're really team Justin, and for the people

785
00:34:49,784 --> 00:34:51,824
Speaker 2: that are already really team Justin. Of course he is

786
00:34:51,904 --> 00:34:53,744
Speaker 2: going to give them more AMMO. But I don't think

787
00:34:53,744 --> 00:34:56,864
Speaker 2: it matters. It shouldn't have anything to do with this case.

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00:34:57,104 --> 00:34:58,864
Speaker 1: I mean, on one hand, I sort of see why

789
00:34:58,904 --> 00:35:01,424
Speaker 1: her legal team they're trying to show precedent for her

790
00:35:01,464 --> 00:35:04,744
Speaker 1: behaving a certain way, because Justin Baldoni is not just

791
00:35:04,944 --> 00:35:07,264
Speaker 1: denying what she said. He's got a whole list of

792
00:35:07,304 --> 00:35:10,984
Speaker 1: separate accusations, and those accusations are that she took over,

793
00:35:11,144 --> 00:35:15,384
Speaker 1: she was controlling, she was overbearing, she was awful to

794
00:35:15,504 --> 00:35:17,984
Speaker 1: him and other people who worked on the set, and

795
00:35:18,024 --> 00:35:20,784
Speaker 1: that she caused him emotional distress and made them lose money.

796
00:35:21,064 --> 00:35:23,264
Speaker 1: And so I understand why his legal team would be like,

797
00:35:23,304 --> 00:35:26,144
Speaker 1: if we can show that there's presence of pert of

798
00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:28,864
Speaker 1: being like this in workplaces, I can understand why they

799
00:35:28,904 --> 00:35:31,424
Speaker 1: think that would work. But I think their tactic is

800
00:35:31,464 --> 00:35:33,424
Speaker 1: more like a hay, look over here kind of thing. Yeah,

801
00:35:33,504 --> 00:35:36,304
Speaker 1: look at this, like blonde, beautiful woman who was allegedly

802
00:35:36,344 --> 00:35:38,304
Speaker 1: bad to her staff and who had a failed on

803
00:35:38,304 --> 00:35:40,304
Speaker 1: the floor with it, yeah, and who had a failure

804
00:35:40,584 --> 00:35:43,224
Speaker 1: out in the gold and who had a failed lifestyle brand, like,

805
00:35:43,304 --> 00:35:45,104
Speaker 1: isn't that awful and they want people to kind of

806
00:35:45,184 --> 00:35:47,904
Speaker 1: jump on that idea instead of looking deeper into the

807
00:35:47,904 --> 00:35:51,024
Speaker 1: allegations against him. I would kind of like say that

808
00:35:51,024 --> 00:35:52,904
Speaker 1: that's maybe more of the plan they have.

809
00:35:53,264 --> 00:35:56,544
Speaker 2: But if they really want to, they can bring these

810
00:35:56,544 --> 00:35:59,344
Speaker 2: people on to do a character whatever it is about her,

811
00:35:59,504 --> 00:36:01,824
Speaker 2: like at the end of the day, if they want

812
00:36:01,944 --> 00:36:03,384
Speaker 2: it to be a part of the case, they'll have

813
00:36:03,424 --> 00:36:06,824
Speaker 2: to bring it into the court and they'll be sub painted.

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00:36:07,144 --> 00:36:08,904
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. You know what subpoened is now?

815
00:36:09,304 --> 00:36:13,064
Speaker 1: Well you that in your every day every day now, I've.

816
00:36:12,944 --> 00:36:15,904
Speaker 2: Felt so uncomfortable coming off the time they are being subpoened. Yeah, no,

817
00:36:15,944 --> 00:36:19,424
Speaker 2: you said it Beautifullyay, thanks, I still say artisanal artisal.

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00:36:19,584 --> 00:36:21,064
Speaker 1: You did it. Oh my god. We'll be iant to

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Speaker 1: take us to the end of the episode. If you've

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00:36:22,944 --> 00:36:25,104
Speaker 1: achieved and learned one thing today, it's that thank you

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00:36:25,144 --> 00:36:28,664
Speaker 1: for that. Blake Lively. So the Blake Live and Eric

822
00:36:28,704 --> 00:36:31,424
Speaker 1: ever forget Eric, our favorite supporting player. I wonder what

823
00:36:31,424 --> 00:36:32,744
Speaker 1: he is up to now? We should go look into

824
00:36:32,864 --> 00:36:37,064
Speaker 1: I am our new favorite and new favorite Blake Lively

825
00:36:37,144 --> 00:36:39,624
Speaker 1: family member. And as I said, the Blake Lively and

826
00:36:39,744 --> 00:36:42,584
Speaker 1: Justin Bell Journey case is still ongoing, so report any updates,

827
00:36:42,584 --> 00:36:44,744
Speaker 1: but at this moment it is set to the first

828
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Speaker 1: court date to take place in March twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: so we've got some news before then.

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