1 00:00:11,064 --> 00:00:15,064 Speaker 1: So much. You're listening to a Muma Mia podcast. Mamma 2 00:00:15,144 --> 00:00:18,824 Speaker 1: Mia acknowledges the traditional owners of land and borders that 3 00:00:18,904 --> 00:00:20,544 Speaker 1: this podcast is recorded on. 4 00:00:25,344 --> 00:00:26,144 Speaker 2: From Mamma Mia. 5 00:00:26,344 --> 00:00:29,464 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Spill, your daily pop culture fix. I'm 6 00:00:29,544 --> 00:00:32,584 Speaker 1: Laura Brodnick and I'm nam And on the show today, 7 00:00:32,744 --> 00:00:35,944 Speaker 1: we have a jam packed schedule. First of all, Hugh 8 00:00:36,024 --> 00:00:39,744 Speaker 1: Jackman embroiled in scandal, Candle I never saw that coming, 9 00:00:40,144 --> 00:00:43,544 Speaker 1: and Giselle Bunschen a surprise pregnancy announcement. But there is 10 00:00:43,624 --> 00:00:46,384 Speaker 1: a huge backstory there that we need to get into. 11 00:00:46,784 --> 00:00:48,504 Speaker 1: But first, I'm just gonna hand over to you because 12 00:00:48,584 --> 00:00:50,024 Speaker 1: I've had a hectic morning and I'm just going to 13 00:00:50,064 --> 00:00:51,264 Speaker 1: take a deep, calming breath. 14 00:00:51,344 --> 00:00:53,544 Speaker 2: You have a hectic minding. I had to do up 15 00:00:53,544 --> 00:00:56,904 Speaker 2: your top, you dropped an earring, well order spilled. 16 00:00:57,264 --> 00:00:58,544 Speaker 1: Do you know the amount of times I have to 17 00:00:58,544 --> 00:01:00,424 Speaker 1: ask an uber driver to do up the back of 18 00:01:00,424 --> 00:01:01,944 Speaker 1: my dress or something. 19 00:01:01,784 --> 00:01:03,544 Speaker 2: That I hope you give them at least five stars? 20 00:01:03,544 --> 00:01:04,944 Speaker 2: I do, I do if that's a thing. 21 00:01:05,024 --> 00:01:06,984 Speaker 1: It's but when you live alone and you're always in 22 00:01:07,024 --> 00:01:09,704 Speaker 1: a chaotic like hurry to get places and you're either 23 00:01:09,704 --> 00:01:11,944 Speaker 1: having to dress for work, or go to red carpets. 24 00:01:12,184 --> 00:01:14,624 Speaker 1: My life is running out of my apartment half dressed. 25 00:01:14,944 --> 00:01:15,744 Speaker 1: It's actually true. 26 00:01:15,784 --> 00:01:17,984 Speaker 2: I know, I feel that there's nothing worse than not 27 00:01:18,024 --> 00:01:19,864 Speaker 2: being able to do a top or like your necklace 28 00:01:19,984 --> 00:01:22,544 Speaker 2: or a bracelet, and like all the feminism that just 29 00:01:22,624 --> 00:01:24,184 Speaker 2: leaves my body. I'm like, this is why I need 30 00:01:24,224 --> 00:01:24,824 Speaker 2: a relationship. 31 00:01:24,864 --> 00:01:26,424 Speaker 1: You start looking for a man on the street or 32 00:01:26,464 --> 00:01:28,944 Speaker 1: a neighbor. Well, I met no one today between my 33 00:01:28,984 --> 00:01:30,904 Speaker 1: apartment here who could do at my top. So I 34 00:01:30,904 --> 00:01:32,344 Speaker 1: had to get you to do it in the studio. 35 00:01:32,704 --> 00:01:34,984 Speaker 1: And then we had a surprise delivery, which we should 36 00:01:35,024 --> 00:01:35,784 Speaker 1: re post that video on. 37 00:01:35,864 --> 00:01:39,784 Speaker 2: Now we'll post a video on Instagram at the Spill podcast. 38 00:01:39,904 --> 00:01:41,904 Speaker 2: I'm not going to give any context. I'm just gonna 39 00:01:41,904 --> 00:01:43,504 Speaker 2: post it. When you see you'll know why we're a 40 00:01:43,544 --> 00:01:44,184 Speaker 2: bit fosted. 41 00:01:44,264 --> 00:01:49,384 Speaker 1: We don't usually have met in this office anyway. Is 42 00:01:49,464 --> 00:01:51,264 Speaker 1: anything else you can segue to right now? 43 00:01:51,384 --> 00:01:54,824 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna segue into the Beckham family. 44 00:01:55,064 --> 00:01:55,304 Speaker 1: Cool? 45 00:01:55,784 --> 00:01:59,864 Speaker 2: So nineteen year old Cruz Beckham. I think he's third 46 00:01:59,984 --> 00:02:01,264 Speaker 2: on the succession line. 47 00:02:01,584 --> 00:02:03,904 Speaker 1: Yes, so you've got Brooklyn our fath. Also, we haven't 48 00:02:03,904 --> 00:02:05,944 Speaker 1: talked about Brooklyn for so long because he's just been 49 00:02:05,984 --> 00:02:08,544 Speaker 1: working behind the scenes. But I do appreciate all the 50 00:02:08,544 --> 00:02:11,184 Speaker 1: spillers who send me weekly updates on what he's doing. 51 00:02:11,344 --> 00:02:13,904 Speaker 1: I get at least two dms from spillers to my 52 00:02:13,944 --> 00:02:16,744 Speaker 1: Instagram every week, just being like, hey, saw this video 53 00:02:16,784 --> 00:02:18,664 Speaker 1: of Brooklyn or thought you might like to know Brooklyn's 54 00:02:18,704 --> 00:02:18,984 Speaker 1: doing this. 55 00:02:19,064 --> 00:02:20,024 Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Guys. 56 00:02:20,264 --> 00:02:22,784 Speaker 1: So you've got Brooklyn, You've got Romeo, you've got Cruse, 57 00:02:22,824 --> 00:02:23,944 Speaker 1: and then you've got half a seven. 58 00:02:24,904 --> 00:02:27,864 Speaker 2: So we're talking about her, talking about Cruz beck In. 59 00:02:28,504 --> 00:02:31,904 Speaker 2: So Cruz, who's nineteen years old, has been spotted walking 60 00:02:31,944 --> 00:02:36,504 Speaker 2: around town. I'm in arm with his new girlfriend, Jackie Apostle, 61 00:02:36,744 --> 00:02:39,144 Speaker 2: who is drum roll please you want to give me 62 00:02:39,184 --> 00:02:44,744 Speaker 2: a drum rollo, thank you, who is ten years older 63 00:02:44,784 --> 00:02:45,344 Speaker 2: than him. Okay. 64 00:02:45,344 --> 00:02:48,384 Speaker 1: I've seen conflicting reports about her age. When these stories 65 00:02:48,424 --> 00:02:51,464 Speaker 1: first started coming out, I saw everyone saying she's thirty. 66 00:02:51,704 --> 00:02:53,544 Speaker 1: But then did she put out a statement saying I'm 67 00:02:53,584 --> 00:02:55,464 Speaker 1: only twenty eight or she had someone else put out 68 00:02:55,464 --> 00:02:56,704 Speaker 1: a statement saying she was twenty. 69 00:02:56,584 --> 00:02:57,464 Speaker 2: She's twenty nine. 70 00:02:57,664 --> 00:03:00,144 Speaker 1: Okay, so somewhere in the well, I guess when in doubt, 71 00:03:00,184 --> 00:03:01,184 Speaker 1: just go somewhere in the middle. 72 00:03:01,384 --> 00:03:04,864 Speaker 2: She's twenty nine. It's unclear how they met, but she 73 00:03:05,144 --> 00:03:09,544 Speaker 2: is a musician and he recently quit football. Sorry it's 74 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:13,264 Speaker 2: not funny, but he recently quit football to pursue his 75 00:03:13,384 --> 00:03:13,984 Speaker 2: music career. 76 00:03:14,144 --> 00:03:17,064 Speaker 1: The Becan Kids so much, The Beckham Children just bring me. 77 00:03:17,144 --> 00:03:19,904 Speaker 2: I'm out of joy. Brooklyn's like, I'm taking a backseat 78 00:03:19,904 --> 00:03:21,664 Speaker 2: to someone else, and Cruise was like, I've got you. 79 00:03:22,024 --> 00:03:24,104 Speaker 1: Brooklyn's off, He's making hot sauce at the moment, our 80 00:03:24,104 --> 00:03:26,704 Speaker 1: friend Brooklyn. There's his knee dream and passions. I guess 81 00:03:26,704 --> 00:03:27,224 Speaker 1: Cruise has. 82 00:03:27,144 --> 00:03:29,624 Speaker 2: To see keeping up with the Beckham Kids show. 83 00:03:29,984 --> 00:03:31,744 Speaker 1: I could leave that show. I have so much information 84 00:03:31,784 --> 00:03:34,984 Speaker 1: on these beloved Nefo babies. It's interesting with Cruise because, 85 00:03:35,024 --> 00:03:36,624 Speaker 1: like I know, the passage of time means that he 86 00:03:36,744 --> 00:03:37,864 Speaker 1: is nineteen, but. 87 00:03:37,944 --> 00:03:40,064 Speaker 2: He's forever sixty years old in my head, yeah, or 88 00:03:40,064 --> 00:03:40,784 Speaker 2: even younger than that. 89 00:03:40,784 --> 00:03:42,784 Speaker 1: Do you remember when the Spy Skills did their reunion 90 00:03:42,824 --> 00:03:45,344 Speaker 1: tour and they did like a bunch of shows together 91 00:03:45,384 --> 00:03:48,024 Speaker 1: and he came out on stage or like maybe it 92 00:03:48,024 --> 00:03:50,464 Speaker 1: was when they were like getting close to breaking. Anyway, 93 00:03:50,544 --> 00:03:52,264 Speaker 1: there was some stage when they were doing some shows 94 00:03:52,304 --> 00:03:55,744 Speaker 1: together and he came out on stage and started breakdancing. 95 00:03:56,664 --> 00:03:57,984 Speaker 2: Like a kid. Yeah, yeah, we know he was a 96 00:03:57,984 --> 00:03:58,744 Speaker 2: little little kid. 97 00:03:58,744 --> 00:04:00,784 Speaker 1: This is back when Victoria, like she doesn't perform with 98 00:04:00,784 --> 00:04:02,464 Speaker 1: the spy skills anymore, but this is back when she 99 00:04:02,544 --> 00:04:05,024 Speaker 1: was still doing some shows and things with them. Yeah, 100 00:04:05,064 --> 00:04:07,584 Speaker 1: he came out and like stole the show by breakdancing, 101 00:04:07,664 --> 00:04:09,264 Speaker 1: and he was like four years old or something like 102 00:04:09,264 --> 00:04:11,544 Speaker 1: that and went like crazy on stage, and I was 103 00:04:11,584 --> 00:04:12,304 Speaker 1: obsessed with him. 104 00:04:12,504 --> 00:04:14,784 Speaker 2: Well, now he's nineteen years old. I saw a tweet 105 00:04:14,824 --> 00:04:18,264 Speaker 2: saying that he's a one year old adult. Yeah that's fair, 106 00:04:18,784 --> 00:04:21,944 Speaker 2: which kind of makes the age difference seem a bit weird. 107 00:04:22,584 --> 00:04:25,744 Speaker 2: What how do you feel about it? Well, look, they're 108 00:04:25,744 --> 00:04:26,624 Speaker 2: both adults. 109 00:04:26,824 --> 00:04:29,304 Speaker 1: Well, technically they're both adults. Here's the thing with the 110 00:04:29,344 --> 00:04:32,224 Speaker 1: age gap thing. I feel like there's different pockets of 111 00:04:32,304 --> 00:04:34,344 Speaker 1: time where you actually do line up better. 112 00:04:34,624 --> 00:04:36,544 Speaker 2: I feel like there's such a huge. 113 00:04:36,264 --> 00:04:38,744 Speaker 1: Difference between a twenty nine year old and a nineteen 114 00:04:38,824 --> 00:04:40,584 Speaker 1: year old, because, as you're saying, a nineteen year old, 115 00:04:40,864 --> 00:04:43,584 Speaker 1: you're still pretty much a kid. Also, your frontal lobe 116 00:04:43,624 --> 00:04:45,504 Speaker 1: doesn't form until you're twenty five, so you're not even 117 00:04:45,504 --> 00:04:47,624 Speaker 1: a real person with any kind of real thoughts yet. 118 00:04:48,104 --> 00:04:50,784 Speaker 1: And when you're twenty nine, like you're you know, pretty 119 00:04:50,864 --> 00:04:53,184 Speaker 1: much well into adulthood, not well in like your twenties. 120 00:04:53,184 --> 00:04:54,664 Speaker 1: I think are a give and take kind of time. 121 00:04:55,144 --> 00:04:56,664 Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference at book, like a 122 00:04:56,704 --> 00:04:58,544 Speaker 1: thirty year old and forty year old dating, because then 123 00:04:58,584 --> 00:05:01,184 Speaker 1: I think you're both firmly in the adult realm. But 124 00:05:01,304 --> 00:05:03,624 Speaker 1: I don't know these people. Maybe he's a very mature 125 00:05:04,464 --> 00:05:06,744 Speaker 1: nineteen year old. Maybe growing up, I mean you would 126 00:05:06,744 --> 00:05:09,384 Speaker 1: think that growing up in that privileged kind of bubble 127 00:05:09,384 --> 00:05:11,824 Speaker 1: that you would be made be a bit immature. But 128 00:05:11,824 --> 00:05:14,184 Speaker 1: then his brother got married in his early twenties to 129 00:05:14,224 --> 00:05:15,664 Speaker 1: an older to an older woman. 130 00:05:15,864 --> 00:05:17,864 Speaker 2: Maybe they feel like they're growing up fast. I am 131 00:05:17,904 --> 00:05:21,424 Speaker 2: twenty eight. Yeah, And I was thinking about what kind 132 00:05:21,464 --> 00:05:24,784 Speaker 2: of questions I would ask a partner if they were nineteen. Yeah, 133 00:05:24,784 --> 00:05:25,184 Speaker 2: would you. 134 00:05:25,104 --> 00:05:25,984 Speaker 1: Did a nineteen year olds? 135 00:05:26,024 --> 00:05:29,144 Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely not. But I did do a bit of 136 00:05:29,144 --> 00:05:32,424 Speaker 2: a brainstorm. So some questions I would ask is, how 137 00:05:32,464 --> 00:05:36,104 Speaker 2: did you go in HSC? Did you that's freshen their 138 00:05:36,144 --> 00:05:37,784 Speaker 2: minds in the mane did you enjoy school? 139 00:05:37,864 --> 00:05:37,944 Speaker 1: Is? 140 00:05:38,304 --> 00:05:41,504 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, are you allowed to have girls over? Because 141 00:05:41,544 --> 00:05:42,944 Speaker 2: I assume you live with your parents. 142 00:05:43,144 --> 00:05:45,344 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm assuming that Beckhams have multiple wings 143 00:05:45,384 --> 00:05:47,224 Speaker 1: of the house. We know they do in that outdoor 144 00:05:47,304 --> 00:05:48,544 Speaker 1: kitchen area that David. 145 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:51,944 Speaker 2: Cooks, which wing am I allowed in. Yeah, I just like, 146 00:05:52,024 --> 00:05:54,024 Speaker 2: I just feel like I want to be a fire 147 00:05:54,024 --> 00:05:55,624 Speaker 2: on the wall in their conversations because I have no 148 00:05:55,664 --> 00:05:56,424 Speaker 2: idea what they will have. 149 00:05:56,704 --> 00:05:59,624 Speaker 1: I wonder if Nicola Peltz Beckham and Victoria Beckham have 150 00:05:59,864 --> 00:06:01,584 Speaker 1: buried the hatchet over there, Yes. 151 00:06:01,344 --> 00:06:03,024 Speaker 2: And now they're like joined forces. 152 00:06:03,144 --> 00:06:06,944 Speaker 1: Yeah, they talk about Yeah, they infamously had if you 153 00:06:07,024 --> 00:06:09,824 Speaker 1: believe all the tabloids and stories and the documentary that's 154 00:06:09,824 --> 00:06:12,264 Speaker 1: soon to come out about it, that their wedding was 155 00:06:12,344 --> 00:06:14,344 Speaker 1: kind of plagued with not only all the drama with 156 00:06:14,384 --> 00:06:16,824 Speaker 1: the wedding planners and the legal stuff there, but the 157 00:06:16,864 --> 00:06:19,384 Speaker 1: fact that Nikolain and Victoria had a huge falling out. 158 00:06:19,704 --> 00:06:21,784 Speaker 1: They seem fine now, but I wonder if they bonded 159 00:06:21,824 --> 00:06:25,744 Speaker 1: together over this new interloper coming into their home. But 160 00:06:25,784 --> 00:06:28,304 Speaker 1: of course, if you're Victoria like, you're not all David like, 161 00:06:28,384 --> 00:06:30,104 Speaker 1: I'm assuming they're just not going to say anything because 162 00:06:30,104 --> 00:06:31,744 Speaker 1: they make a big deal about it, it's going to 163 00:06:31,784 --> 00:06:33,704 Speaker 1: make him want to date hurry him more also. 164 00:06:33,544 --> 00:06:35,664 Speaker 2: Which is like kind of what every parent would do, right. 165 00:06:35,744 --> 00:06:35,944 Speaker 1: Yeah. 166 00:06:36,064 --> 00:06:39,304 Speaker 2: Also, maybe they're what does this woman do? She's a musician? Oh, 167 00:06:39,344 --> 00:06:41,624 Speaker 2: that's very cool. Maybe they've been photo they posted photos, 168 00:06:41,664 --> 00:06:43,584 Speaker 2: like he's posted photos of him like streaming a guitar, 169 00:06:43,624 --> 00:06:44,704 Speaker 2: and she's like in the studio. 170 00:06:44,864 --> 00:06:46,864 Speaker 1: Yeah, are the photos of him like dancing in the street? 171 00:06:46,864 --> 00:06:48,944 Speaker 2: Did I see that? Yeah, there's paparazzi shirt to them, 172 00:06:49,024 --> 00:06:51,384 Speaker 2: like doing a bit of a twelve kind of like 173 00:06:51,584 --> 00:06:56,424 Speaker 2: very like high school romance, except as twenty. 174 00:06:56,984 --> 00:06:59,304 Speaker 1: I just think maybe they're both a little swept away, 175 00:06:59,384 --> 00:07:01,744 Speaker 1: like he's in love with this cool older musician, like 176 00:07:01,824 --> 00:07:03,664 Speaker 1: from her job and from the photos I've seen of her, 177 00:07:03,704 --> 00:07:05,184 Speaker 1: she was a cool, beautiful woman. 178 00:07:05,224 --> 00:07:07,504 Speaker 2: Of course he's in love with her, and we don't 179 00:07:07,504 --> 00:07:10,144 Speaker 2: know she's been wearing a lot of Victoria Beckham gowns. 180 00:07:10,384 --> 00:07:13,104 Speaker 1: Well, I mean that's the biggest seal of approval, because again, 181 00:07:13,304 --> 00:07:16,664 Speaker 1: remember how Victoria didn't make Nichola's wedding dress. Allegedly, it's 182 00:07:16,664 --> 00:07:18,904 Speaker 1: a bit of a falling out there, and maybe Cruz 183 00:07:18,904 --> 00:07:21,704 Speaker 1: Beckham pulled out some break dancing moves and one are 184 00:07:21,784 --> 00:07:23,744 Speaker 1: over and maybe they're very much in love and maybe 185 00:07:23,744 --> 00:07:26,584 Speaker 1: in like ten years we'll be talking about their opulent 186 00:07:26,624 --> 00:07:29,304 Speaker 1: wedding for their anniversary and their kids. Maybe they'll make 187 00:07:29,304 --> 00:07:29,664 Speaker 1: it work. 188 00:07:31,624 --> 00:07:32,464 Speaker 2: So we wake up to. 189 00:07:32,384 --> 00:07:34,344 Speaker 1: Some, you know, very nice news. I think a new 190 00:07:34,344 --> 00:07:37,384 Speaker 1: baby's always lovely news. With the stories going out that 191 00:07:37,464 --> 00:07:41,184 Speaker 1: Giselle Bunchen is pregnant with her third child, but her 192 00:07:41,344 --> 00:07:45,064 Speaker 1: first child with her boyfriend Joaquim Valenti, I'm not sure 193 00:07:45,064 --> 00:07:49,264 Speaker 1: if you're across their love story expected age gap love story. 194 00:07:49,584 --> 00:07:52,224 Speaker 1: It's not a huge age gap. This one's obviously totally fine. 195 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:55,864 Speaker 1: So Gazelle's forty four, he's thirty seven. He's a jiu 196 00:07:55,944 --> 00:07:58,064 Speaker 1: jitsu instructor. Ooh sexy and there. 197 00:07:58,184 --> 00:07:58,824 Speaker 2: Yeah. 198 00:07:58,864 --> 00:08:03,384 Speaker 1: Anyway, So Giselle and her jiu jitsu instructor lover have 199 00:08:03,624 --> 00:08:05,824 Speaker 1: been well I know about. 200 00:08:05,504 --> 00:08:09,224 Speaker 2: This briefly because I heard it in the roast of 201 00:08:09,264 --> 00:08:12,224 Speaker 2: Tom Brady. Oh right, you were very across the roofs. 202 00:08:12,264 --> 00:08:13,144 Speaker 1: So a lot of. 203 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:16,144 Speaker 2: Comedians poke fun on how she left him for her 204 00:08:16,264 --> 00:08:17,664 Speaker 2: jiu jitsu instructor. 205 00:08:18,024 --> 00:08:20,504 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that is almost kind of what happened. So 206 00:08:20,784 --> 00:08:24,584 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Gizelle, who shared two kids together, finalized 207 00:08:24,624 --> 00:08:27,304 Speaker 1: their divorce in October of twenty twenty two. They've been 208 00:08:27,424 --> 00:08:29,784 Speaker 1: this huge kind of celebrity power couple for such a 209 00:08:29,824 --> 00:08:30,224 Speaker 1: long time. 210 00:08:30,384 --> 00:08:33,304 Speaker 2: She's like beautiful model, he's like beautiful sports guys. 211 00:08:33,424 --> 00:08:34,904 Speaker 1: Yeah, for a long time there were, like, you know, 212 00:08:34,904 --> 00:08:37,864 Speaker 1: a real golden couple of the entertainment industry. And the 213 00:08:37,904 --> 00:08:40,384 Speaker 1: news of their divorce was really interesting because it came 214 00:08:40,464 --> 00:08:43,584 Speaker 1: off the back of Tom Brady going back to football 215 00:08:43,664 --> 00:08:47,184 Speaker 1: and sort of wanting to restart his career. And even 216 00:08:47,184 --> 00:08:49,264 Speaker 1: though Gizelle like she kind of alluded to this in 217 00:08:49,304 --> 00:08:51,584 Speaker 1: a few interviews, and it was a lot of you know, 218 00:08:51,904 --> 00:08:54,464 Speaker 1: sources close to the couple giving statements to people, But 219 00:08:54,544 --> 00:08:56,704 Speaker 1: what we kind of pieced together is that she had 220 00:08:56,784 --> 00:08:59,864 Speaker 1: really supported him in his football career, like moving to 221 00:08:59,944 --> 00:09:02,544 Speaker 1: towns where like he played with the teams, looking after 222 00:09:02,584 --> 00:09:05,344 Speaker 1: their kids when he was in training, traveling to all 223 00:09:05,384 --> 00:09:07,824 Speaker 1: of his games, being around him when he was in 224 00:09:07,864 --> 00:09:10,824 Speaker 1: like really intense training. So there was always a narrative 225 00:09:10,864 --> 00:09:13,824 Speaker 1: out there that she had really put herself second to 226 00:09:14,024 --> 00:09:15,544 Speaker 1: her husband's football career. 227 00:09:15,344 --> 00:09:16,864 Speaker 2: Pretty much putting her life on hold. 228 00:09:17,304 --> 00:09:19,624 Speaker 1: Yeah, de spotically, let's to support him because he's making 229 00:09:19,624 --> 00:09:21,104 Speaker 1: a lot of money, but I guess to hold down 230 00:09:21,104 --> 00:09:22,024 Speaker 1: the family support. 231 00:09:22,104 --> 00:09:24,584 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also like emotionally, like she was always. 232 00:09:24,344 --> 00:09:27,064 Speaker 1: At the games, at the training sessions, and you have to, 233 00:09:27,104 --> 00:09:28,864 Speaker 1: you know, say no to a lot of big modeling 234 00:09:28,944 --> 00:09:31,064 Speaker 1: jobs if you're going to always be courtside at your 235 00:09:31,144 --> 00:09:35,264 Speaker 1: husband's football game. And so, but the unspoken thing between them, 236 00:09:35,304 --> 00:09:38,184 Speaker 1: from an outsider's perspective, was that he would probably give 237 00:09:38,224 --> 00:09:40,224 Speaker 1: that up, you know, in his late thirties forties, because 238 00:09:40,224 --> 00:09:43,264 Speaker 1: normally that's when people retire from the game. But then 239 00:09:43,344 --> 00:09:45,744 Speaker 1: Tom Brady made this announcement that he was going to 240 00:09:45,864 --> 00:09:47,424 Speaker 1: sort of come out of retirement, he was going to 241 00:09:47,504 --> 00:09:50,784 Speaker 1: give his football career another shot, and it was reported 242 00:09:50,824 --> 00:09:54,064 Speaker 1: that behind the scenes, Giselle was like, absolutely not. I 243 00:09:54,184 --> 00:09:56,784 Speaker 1: have been supporting you all this time, Like it's my 244 00:09:56,944 --> 00:09:59,584 Speaker 1: turn now, and you're going back on our deal. And 245 00:09:59,624 --> 00:10:02,384 Speaker 1: then allegedly she said it's either me or football, and 246 00:10:02,464 --> 00:10:05,224 Speaker 1: he chose football. And then they divorced soon after. 247 00:10:05,504 --> 00:10:06,344 Speaker 2: Oh no. 248 00:10:06,904 --> 00:10:09,824 Speaker 1: And the interesting part of their relationship to is that 249 00:10:10,384 --> 00:10:13,224 Speaker 1: when they got together, he had not long ago broken 250 00:10:13,304 --> 00:10:15,584 Speaker 1: up with Bridget and Monahan, who has been a lot 251 00:10:15,584 --> 00:10:18,544 Speaker 1: of movies and TV shows are most notly Cody ugly, 252 00:10:18,584 --> 00:10:20,464 Speaker 1: but also she plays Natasha in the Sex and the 253 00:10:20,504 --> 00:10:24,264 Speaker 1: City universe, so she's so cute. Yeah, she seems I mean, 254 00:10:24,304 --> 00:10:26,984 Speaker 1: I don't know of it. She seems nice. She and 255 00:10:27,024 --> 00:10:30,024 Speaker 1: Tom broke up and she found it she was pregnant. 256 00:10:30,264 --> 00:10:32,424 Speaker 1: Just I mean, the timeline is sometimes depending on who's 257 00:10:32,464 --> 00:10:34,544 Speaker 1: reporting it. Did he break up with her knowing she 258 00:10:34,584 --> 00:10:37,424 Speaker 1: was pregnant? Did she found it afterwards? They've always painted 259 00:10:37,504 --> 00:10:39,464 Speaker 1: that he found it afterwards. He and Giselle got together 260 00:10:39,584 --> 00:10:42,624 Speaker 1: very quickly. So in their first months of them being together, 261 00:10:42,704 --> 00:10:45,224 Speaker 1: Giselle was saying, and she was fresh off like a 262 00:10:45,224 --> 00:10:48,384 Speaker 1: big breakup from like Leonardo DiCaprio and these other romances, 263 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:50,144 Speaker 1: and she said she was really ready to settle down 264 00:10:50,144 --> 00:10:51,904 Speaker 1: and be a mother. Then she fell in love with 265 00:10:51,944 --> 00:10:53,264 Speaker 1: Tom Brady and was like, this is it. This is 266 00:10:53,304 --> 00:10:54,984 Speaker 1: the man I'm going to marry and have children with. 267 00:10:55,504 --> 00:10:57,504 Speaker 1: And then found out, like a few weeks later that 268 00:10:57,544 --> 00:10:59,664 Speaker 1: he was having a baby with someone else. And so 269 00:11:00,024 --> 00:11:03,904 Speaker 1: the first like part of their relationship was her having 270 00:11:03,944 --> 00:11:06,224 Speaker 1: to sort of be a stepmother to Jack, who's the 271 00:11:06,264 --> 00:11:07,904 Speaker 1: son of Bridget and Tom. 272 00:11:07,944 --> 00:11:08,864 Speaker 2: But I mean it was only in the. 273 00:11:08,864 --> 00:11:10,944 Speaker 1: Last few years they that Bridget and Thee have both 274 00:11:10,944 --> 00:11:13,704 Speaker 1: given interviews about each other saying how they like became 275 00:11:13,784 --> 00:11:16,704 Speaker 1: really close, really good friends. How they mother Jack together. 276 00:11:17,184 --> 00:11:19,144 Speaker 1: It feels like Tom Brady was very much the third 277 00:11:19,144 --> 00:11:21,344 Speaker 1: wheel that relationship. 278 00:11:20,784 --> 00:11:23,024 Speaker 2: Even though his child was football Yes. 279 00:11:23,384 --> 00:11:27,144 Speaker 1: And then Gizelle and Tom went on to have their children, 280 00:11:27,224 --> 00:11:28,344 Speaker 1: Benjamin and Vivian. 281 00:11:28,424 --> 00:11:30,104 Speaker 2: Lake. Always say her secon name because I think you 282 00:11:30,144 --> 00:11:31,584 Speaker 2: love the second name. I do, well, I love it 283 00:11:31,624 --> 00:11:34,064 Speaker 2: when it's Lake. I also wanted to number. 284 00:11:34,224 --> 00:11:37,584 Speaker 1: Yes, and so it was a very idealized world. And 285 00:11:37,664 --> 00:11:41,144 Speaker 1: after they broke up, it was then revealed through like 286 00:11:41,184 --> 00:11:44,544 Speaker 1: paparazzi photos and reports that Gizelle was dating the hot 287 00:11:44,584 --> 00:11:47,384 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu instructor, which then fed into the roast of 288 00:11:47,384 --> 00:11:47,944 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. 289 00:11:47,944 --> 00:11:51,544 Speaker 2: Who oh Yeah, that roast was brutal because I actually 290 00:11:51,584 --> 00:11:54,104 Speaker 2: didn't know much about him at all. Yeah, I love 291 00:11:54,104 --> 00:11:56,344 Speaker 2: that where you're getting your information from him, Isn't that crazy? 292 00:11:56,464 --> 00:11:58,784 Speaker 2: Like I knew that he and her were a couple, 293 00:11:58,904 --> 00:12:01,304 Speaker 2: like they were pretty much the eat couple for so long, 294 00:12:01,784 --> 00:12:04,544 Speaker 2: but I didn't know that he had actually I don't 295 00:12:04,544 --> 00:12:06,104 Speaker 2: know if this is the right thing to say, but 296 00:12:06,144 --> 00:12:08,984 Speaker 2: he had fumbled the bag with a lot of women. Yeah, 297 00:12:09,024 --> 00:12:11,304 Speaker 2: Like he's a way to put it. He'll messed up 298 00:12:11,344 --> 00:12:13,944 Speaker 2: a lot of relationships of himself and then he just 299 00:12:13,944 --> 00:12:16,024 Speaker 2: like went into football and then he started playing football 300 00:12:16,064 --> 00:12:17,864 Speaker 2: with like these guys who were like half his age. 301 00:12:17,864 --> 00:12:18,984 Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't been tame. 302 00:12:19,784 --> 00:12:22,184 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting career pivot, but I understand like 303 00:12:22,224 --> 00:12:23,904 Speaker 1: that had been your you know, your dream and your 304 00:12:23,904 --> 00:12:26,184 Speaker 1: glory is for so long that you wanted to relive it. 305 00:12:26,504 --> 00:12:28,344 Speaker 2: And I wonder if when Gizelle said. 306 00:12:28,104 --> 00:12:30,304 Speaker 1: That she was out, if he really quite believed that 307 00:12:30,344 --> 00:12:32,384 Speaker 1: because she'd stuck around for so long. But she's stuck 308 00:12:32,424 --> 00:12:35,144 Speaker 1: really true to her word. And I think why people 309 00:12:35,144 --> 00:12:37,144 Speaker 1: are kind of reacting to this pregnancy today is like 310 00:12:37,144 --> 00:12:39,144 Speaker 1: there's a few different reasons. One is that you know, 311 00:12:39,144 --> 00:12:41,664 Speaker 1: when a famous woman is pregnant, we always people were 312 00:12:41,664 --> 00:12:44,064 Speaker 1: so desperate to see photos. I should say that she 313 00:12:44,224 --> 00:12:46,944 Speaker 1: actually has not at the time of recording this podcast 314 00:12:46,984 --> 00:12:50,504 Speaker 1: has not confirmed it. There's been paparazzi photos, but also 315 00:12:50,824 --> 00:12:54,184 Speaker 1: statements given to people from people on her team. They 316 00:12:54,224 --> 00:12:56,944 Speaker 1: say so like people always do verify, so it has 317 00:12:56,984 --> 00:12:59,664 Speaker 1: come from someone on their team, and the statement from 318 00:12:59,664 --> 00:13:02,944 Speaker 1: her family is Gizelle and Wakima are happy for this 319 00:13:02,984 --> 00:13:04,904 Speaker 1: new chapter in their life. They're both looking forward to 320 00:13:04,984 --> 00:13:07,544 Speaker 1: creating a peaceful and loving environment for the whole family. 321 00:13:08,144 --> 00:13:09,704 Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet. 322 00:13:09,984 --> 00:13:12,424 Speaker 1: And obviously there's the question too of like as much 323 00:13:12,424 --> 00:13:14,784 Speaker 1: as people that kind of revel in a celebrity pregnancy, 324 00:13:15,024 --> 00:13:17,744 Speaker 1: and everyone also for some reason gets really like there's 325 00:13:17,744 --> 00:13:21,184 Speaker 1: almost like a fetishism or something around models being pregnant 326 00:13:21,184 --> 00:13:23,304 Speaker 1: in particular, I think, because you know, you see their 327 00:13:23,304 --> 00:13:25,144 Speaker 1: bodies and they're like, you know, held up as these 328 00:13:25,184 --> 00:13:27,184 Speaker 1: standards and people are always wanting to see them. 329 00:13:27,304 --> 00:13:28,984 Speaker 2: The same thing happened with Margo Robbie. 330 00:13:29,304 --> 00:13:32,504 Speaker 1: Yeah, that idea of like the intensity of like wanting 331 00:13:32,504 --> 00:13:34,864 Speaker 1: to see change shape and all that sort of stuff. 332 00:13:34,944 --> 00:13:37,384 Speaker 1: It's it's different because I think you've got two lens 333 00:13:37,384 --> 00:13:39,504 Speaker 1: of some people just love seeing pregnant body because they 334 00:13:39,544 --> 00:13:41,784 Speaker 1: find it really beautiful and lovely, which it is, and 335 00:13:41,824 --> 00:13:43,944 Speaker 1: then you have other people who obviously take it in 336 00:13:43,944 --> 00:13:47,464 Speaker 1: a less desirable direction. There were a few rumors that 337 00:13:47,504 --> 00:13:50,224 Speaker 1: something was happening with Giselle in the last week or so, 338 00:13:50,224 --> 00:13:51,904 Speaker 1: so I wanted if it's kind of interesting if she 339 00:13:52,024 --> 00:13:54,944 Speaker 1: like allowed herself to be papped or had statements ready 340 00:13:54,944 --> 00:13:57,304 Speaker 1: to go, because she is one of the most famous 341 00:13:57,384 --> 00:14:00,584 Speaker 1: victorious secret angels. And when they had the big Victorious 342 00:14:00,584 --> 00:14:03,544 Speaker 1: Secret comeback runway show this week, and you had all 343 00:14:03,584 --> 00:14:05,624 Speaker 1: these models like Kate Moss there for the first time, 344 00:14:05,664 --> 00:14:08,424 Speaker 1: but then like Tyra Banks and like you know, Gigi 345 00:14:08,424 --> 00:14:11,024 Speaker 1: and Bella and everyone. You could see Rory Secret. We're 346 00:14:11,064 --> 00:14:13,024 Speaker 1: trying to make it this huge cultural event. 347 00:14:13,104 --> 00:14:15,264 Speaker 2: I wonder how much money they offered her to do that. 348 00:14:15,744 --> 00:14:18,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder if she was well exactly, I mean, 349 00:14:18,424 --> 00:14:20,504 Speaker 1: that would It's interesting that she didn't choose to do it, 350 00:14:20,624 --> 00:14:23,264 Speaker 1: because that would have been such a headline making amazing 351 00:14:23,304 --> 00:14:25,304 Speaker 1: thing if she had walked down the runway with her 352 00:14:25,304 --> 00:14:28,104 Speaker 1: pregnant stomach out. But also I understand, especially because she's 353 00:14:28,144 --> 00:14:31,104 Speaker 1: been living quite a private life lately. I understand this 354 00:14:31,224 --> 00:14:34,344 Speaker 1: idea of not wanting to like commercialize your pregnancy announcement, 355 00:14:34,424 --> 00:14:37,144 Speaker 1: especially for a brand that you've been involved with, But 356 00:14:37,184 --> 00:14:38,144 Speaker 1: at the same time. 357 00:14:38,024 --> 00:14:39,664 Speaker 2: You're probably happy to keep it in the past. 358 00:14:39,784 --> 00:14:42,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there was so much negative connotations around 359 00:14:42,664 --> 00:14:44,864 Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret. You're like, oh, my baby announcement to be 360 00:14:44,904 --> 00:14:48,904 Speaker 1: wrapped up in their like weird sized diversity racism issues 361 00:14:48,944 --> 00:14:51,424 Speaker 1: that they've been having behind the scenes. So it is 362 00:14:51,504 --> 00:14:53,544 Speaker 1: really nice news. A lot of people are also saying 363 00:14:53,584 --> 00:14:56,224 Speaker 1: that it's unrealistic for a woman who's forty four to 364 00:14:56,264 --> 00:15:00,224 Speaker 1: be like celebrating it's twenty twenty four. Well again, so 365 00:15:00,264 --> 00:15:02,784 Speaker 1: many loaded conversations for a woman who hasn't even said 366 00:15:02,784 --> 00:15:04,664 Speaker 1: she's pregnant yet. That's what I'm thinking, Like, I'm seeing 367 00:15:04,664 --> 00:15:06,744 Speaker 1: all these stories around today, and I'm seeing the story 368 00:15:06,824 --> 00:15:09,424 Speaker 1: about like her and her boyfriend Helen, they've been together. 369 00:15:09,424 --> 00:15:12,224 Speaker 1: I'm seeing her not doing Victoria's Secret show. I'm seeing 370 00:15:12,264 --> 00:15:14,264 Speaker 1: this idea of like what it means for her kids 371 00:15:14,304 --> 00:15:16,184 Speaker 1: and for her steps on, for her relationship. And then 372 00:15:16,184 --> 00:15:18,664 Speaker 1: I'm seeing this idea of like it's you know, celebrity 373 00:15:18,704 --> 00:15:22,504 Speaker 1: women in their forties glamorizing getting pregnant. Yeah, because obviously 374 00:15:22,544 --> 00:15:24,344 Speaker 1: gets harder, although she say, my mum had most of 375 00:15:24,384 --> 00:15:26,224 Speaker 1: her kids in her forties and we're all fine, so 376 00:15:26,384 --> 00:15:27,544 Speaker 1: it can happen. 377 00:15:27,784 --> 00:15:30,424 Speaker 2: I think it's like become so common now, like especially 378 00:15:30,504 --> 00:15:33,584 Speaker 2: us working with women writing stories about women, you just 379 00:15:33,664 --> 00:15:36,064 Speaker 2: see it as like something so common that when we 380 00:15:36,144 --> 00:15:38,704 Speaker 2: see comments like that, we forget that we live in 381 00:15:38,704 --> 00:15:39,184 Speaker 2: a bubble. 382 00:15:39,424 --> 00:15:41,384 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that a lot of people think that it's 383 00:15:41,424 --> 00:15:43,344 Speaker 1: something like oh, rich women can afford to do this, 384 00:15:43,424 --> 00:15:45,584 Speaker 1: but it's not something like it's unnatural, or it's on 385 00:15:45,624 --> 00:15:47,944 Speaker 1: this and that, and yeah, I just a lot of 386 00:15:47,984 --> 00:15:50,344 Speaker 1: different comment threads. Again for a woman who hasn't even 387 00:15:50,344 --> 00:15:54,584 Speaker 1: said out loud that she's pregnant yet. Well, onto a 388 00:15:54,624 --> 00:15:57,264 Speaker 1: few more reports of scandal. I must say, this is scandal, 389 00:15:57,344 --> 00:15:59,504 Speaker 1: light scandal, scandal like that. 390 00:15:59,544 --> 00:16:00,064 Speaker 2: I meant to that. 391 00:16:00,624 --> 00:16:03,464 Speaker 1: So this has been bubbling away for a couple of days. 392 00:16:03,504 --> 00:16:05,144 Speaker 1: But you know, we've just waited to get all the 393 00:16:05,184 --> 00:16:07,224 Speaker 1: facts and see where it went before we dove in 394 00:16:07,464 --> 00:16:09,384 Speaker 1: Today's a day because I just need to talk about it. 395 00:16:09,704 --> 00:16:12,064 Speaker 1: And that is the fact that a couple of days ago, 396 00:16:12,304 --> 00:16:16,104 Speaker 1: Page six reported that Sutton Foster, who is a Broadway 397 00:16:16,144 --> 00:16:18,504 Speaker 1: star but also most people would know her as Eliza 398 00:16:18,544 --> 00:16:21,384 Speaker 1: from the TV series Younger, the incredible TV series Younger, 399 00:16:21,424 --> 00:16:22,304 Speaker 1: of which she was the lead. 400 00:16:22,384 --> 00:16:23,784 Speaker 2: I know, I haven't watched it. 401 00:16:23,824 --> 00:16:26,664 Speaker 1: Don't don't even talk to me, had filed from divorce 402 00:16:26,704 --> 00:16:29,544 Speaker 1: her husband of ten years, who is a screenwriter, most 403 00:16:29,624 --> 00:16:31,824 Speaker 1: notably worked on movies like Ocean's Eleven. 404 00:16:33,624 --> 00:16:36,104 Speaker 2: Yeah, literally one of my favorite movies. I love it. 405 00:16:36,144 --> 00:16:39,584 Speaker 1: That's what you've seen, but not Younger. So why this 406 00:16:39,704 --> 00:16:41,664 Speaker 1: kind of made us for a couple of reasons. One 407 00:16:41,704 --> 00:16:45,384 Speaker 1: is that every celebrity relationship that the divorce papers become 408 00:16:45,424 --> 00:16:48,384 Speaker 1: public gets reported. Sudden and her foster aren't sort of 409 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:51,304 Speaker 1: that huge level of fame that was breaking news everywhere, 410 00:16:51,584 --> 00:16:54,464 Speaker 1: even though, like her relationship with Ted Hadley, walked a 411 00:16:54,464 --> 00:16:57,104 Speaker 1: lot of her carpets together. They'd been really open about 412 00:16:57,224 --> 00:16:59,664 Speaker 1: their desire to become parents over the years and their 413 00:16:59,664 --> 00:17:02,624 Speaker 1: adoption journey, all those sort of things. So if you're 414 00:17:02,624 --> 00:17:04,424 Speaker 1: a big fan of Sutton, you would be sad. And 415 00:17:04,464 --> 00:17:07,024 Speaker 1: I'm an absolute huge fan of her. She's one of 416 00:17:07,064 --> 00:17:09,544 Speaker 1: the few celebrities I've actually lost my mind when I 417 00:17:09,584 --> 00:17:11,504 Speaker 1: met her. Really, we once had drinks on a rooftop 418 00:17:11,504 --> 00:17:12,544 Speaker 1: of New York. It's no big deal. 419 00:17:12,664 --> 00:17:13,304 Speaker 2: That's beautiful. 420 00:17:13,464 --> 00:17:16,144 Speaker 1: But why this was such big news is that it 421 00:17:16,224 --> 00:17:19,024 Speaker 1: was accompanied by a story that she was linked to 422 00:17:19,264 --> 00:17:22,944 Speaker 1: her co star in The Music Man, which was a big, 423 00:17:22,944 --> 00:17:26,584 Speaker 1: smash hit Broadway musical that she started from. I think 424 00:17:26,584 --> 00:17:29,224 Speaker 1: it ran from December twenty twenty one to January twenty 425 00:17:29,264 --> 00:17:31,584 Speaker 1: twenty three, and it was the musical in New York 426 00:17:31,584 --> 00:17:33,344 Speaker 1: to go to to get sold out like crazy. There 427 00:17:33,424 --> 00:17:35,504 Speaker 1: was so much hype around it. And the reason this 428 00:17:35,544 --> 00:17:38,464 Speaker 1: is a huge story, Emily, is because Sutton's co star 429 00:17:38,544 --> 00:17:40,504 Speaker 1: in the music Man and the man that she is 430 00:17:40,544 --> 00:17:42,824 Speaker 1: now linked to is Hugh Jackman. 431 00:17:43,824 --> 00:17:47,864 Speaker 2: Hugh, you daddy dog? So wait because I kind of remember, 432 00:17:48,184 --> 00:17:52,944 Speaker 2: so Hugh Jackman recently divorced from Debrale Fines. Was she 433 00:17:53,064 --> 00:17:55,144 Speaker 2: the one that, like, he was rumored to be having 434 00:17:55,184 --> 00:17:55,864 Speaker 2: an affair with. 435 00:17:56,264 --> 00:17:59,064 Speaker 1: So there were a fair stories bubbling away for a while, 436 00:17:59,184 --> 00:18:01,144 Speaker 1: but this has only just come out. So yes, Hugh 437 00:18:01,264 --> 00:18:05,744 Speaker 1: Jackman and Debraley Furness announced their divorce in September of 438 00:18:05,864 --> 00:18:08,824 Speaker 1: last year, and as you remember, that was absolutely huge 439 00:18:08,864 --> 00:18:12,064 Speaker 1: news because they'd been together for twenty seven years. They 440 00:18:12,104 --> 00:18:14,744 Speaker 1: had again one of those marriages that had become like 441 00:18:14,824 --> 00:18:17,304 Speaker 1: a you know, a corner stone of Hollywood and relationships, 442 00:18:17,304 --> 00:18:18,744 Speaker 1: and people were obsessed with them, and they had two 443 00:18:18,784 --> 00:18:21,904 Speaker 1: kids together, and they always spoke as if they were 444 00:18:21,944 --> 00:18:24,144 Speaker 1: so wildly in love with each other, even after twenty 445 00:18:24,184 --> 00:18:27,544 Speaker 1: seven years. So when they announced their divorce, it was 446 00:18:27,624 --> 00:18:30,944 Speaker 1: a huge story. And what's really gross that I was 447 00:18:30,984 --> 00:18:33,584 Speaker 1: angry about then and I'm almost like vindicated now if 448 00:18:33,624 --> 00:18:36,504 Speaker 1: these rumors are true, is that so many people didn't 449 00:18:36,504 --> 00:18:40,104 Speaker 1: really accuse their relationship of breaking down of human Deborah, 450 00:18:40,304 --> 00:18:43,104 Speaker 1: their relationship of breaking down because he was having an 451 00:18:43,104 --> 00:18:45,864 Speaker 1: affair with Sutton. They kept saying like, oh, we always 452 00:18:45,944 --> 00:18:47,464 Speaker 1: knew he was gay, Like we knew it now. 453 00:18:47,464 --> 00:18:48,304 Speaker 2: They's so bad. 454 00:18:48,784 --> 00:18:51,624 Speaker 1: It's so weird how much people they invent these crazy 455 00:18:51,624 --> 00:18:55,304 Speaker 1: stories in their head and they think that they know 456 00:18:55,784 --> 00:18:58,064 Speaker 1: something like that that's never been you know, there's no 457 00:18:58,104 --> 00:18:59,624 Speaker 1: information out there to suggest. 458 00:18:59,664 --> 00:19:01,984 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he sings and dance, so that must 459 00:19:02,064 --> 00:19:05,504 Speaker 2: mean yeah, and that they had waited for and then 460 00:19:05,544 --> 00:19:06,344 Speaker 2: he's really good looking. 461 00:19:06,464 --> 00:19:09,544 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I say, I know, we talk about celebrities 462 00:19:09,664 --> 00:19:11,544 Speaker 1: and we don't know that. But it's weird how like 463 00:19:11,704 --> 00:19:14,584 Speaker 1: sometimes people just wasn't in the speculation that I thought 464 00:19:14,664 --> 00:19:16,984 Speaker 1: was strange because people always speculate, like we do it. 465 00:19:16,984 --> 00:19:19,464 Speaker 1: It's fine. It's people who were just kind of being like, oh, 466 00:19:19,504 --> 00:19:21,224 Speaker 1: I just knew it. I knew it for so long 467 00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:23,944 Speaker 1: and now I'm vindicated. And at the time, I just thought, 468 00:19:23,984 --> 00:19:26,704 Speaker 1: you're not vindicated for anything, Like their relationship is broken 469 00:19:26,784 --> 00:19:28,984 Speaker 1: up and we have no idea why. We still don't know. 470 00:19:29,304 --> 00:19:31,624 Speaker 1: At the time, they said that they had decided to 471 00:19:32,064 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 1: pursue individual growth. I'm sure Deborah has been like she's 472 00:19:35,224 --> 00:19:37,544 Speaker 1: a wildly successful woman. So I'm sure she's been off 473 00:19:37,584 --> 00:19:40,984 Speaker 1: doing fabulous things. But we know that Hugh celebrated his 474 00:19:41,144 --> 00:19:44,064 Speaker 1: individual growth by going to a Taylor Swift went to 475 00:19:44,064 --> 00:19:46,024 Speaker 1: a Taylor's concert, and he went to the game. 476 00:19:46,064 --> 00:19:48,264 Speaker 2: Which went to me. At the Ears tour, he went 477 00:19:48,304 --> 00:19:51,304 Speaker 2: to one of Travis Kelsey's game. He was in Deadpool 478 00:19:51,304 --> 00:19:54,304 Speaker 2: and Wolverine, which they had a few divorced jokes. Yeah, 479 00:19:54,344 --> 00:19:54,744 Speaker 2: what else? 480 00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:56,584 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they had that joke in the movie about 481 00:19:56,584 --> 00:19:59,104 Speaker 1: how he's so ripped now after his divorce, got. 482 00:19:58,984 --> 00:20:01,824 Speaker 2: A divorce body. And now I'm pretty sure he's doing 483 00:20:01,824 --> 00:20:05,544 Speaker 2: a one man show again in Broadway. Yes, I'm sure 484 00:20:05,584 --> 00:20:07,824 Speaker 2: he's a Broadway man. So he's booked and busy. So 485 00:20:07,904 --> 00:20:09,624 Speaker 2: it's like every girl when she goes through a break, 486 00:20:09,864 --> 00:20:12,184 Speaker 2: she was like, to fill my calendar with all these things. 487 00:20:12,144 --> 00:20:15,144 Speaker 1: Distin things, And he's been like and he's also his. 488 00:20:15,184 --> 00:20:17,464 Speaker 2: Instagram, who am I as a single man. 489 00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:21,064 Speaker 1: He's having self growth and his Instagram has been very interesting. 490 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:25,344 Speaker 2: Vibes his Instagram, but it's like divorced dad vibes are 491 00:20:25,384 --> 00:20:27,704 Speaker 2: just kind of cute, not like divorced boy vibes are 492 00:20:27,704 --> 00:20:28,384 Speaker 2: just different. 493 00:20:28,664 --> 00:20:31,024 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's definitely got dad energy, Like I just 494 00:20:31,224 --> 00:20:32,784 Speaker 1: see him as like a cute kind of dad. 495 00:20:32,904 --> 00:20:33,784 Speaker 2: No, he's super hot. 496 00:20:33,984 --> 00:20:36,864 Speaker 1: No, Emily, you don't think he's so hot. You honestly 497 00:20:36,904 --> 00:20:39,664 Speaker 1: think that. Don't think of him in Wolverine and Deadpool. 498 00:20:39,744 --> 00:20:40,424 Speaker 1: Don't think of that. 499 00:20:40,424 --> 00:20:42,544 Speaker 2: That's that's only how I think of him. I'm sorry. 500 00:20:42,624 --> 00:20:45,184 Speaker 1: He's like, okay, obviously in that he's hot because he's. 501 00:20:45,024 --> 00:20:47,464 Speaker 2: Playing everywhere the greatest showman hot. 502 00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:49,504 Speaker 1: But like now, if you when you see those photos 503 00:20:49,504 --> 00:20:52,264 Speaker 1: of him, like walking along smiling next to Ryan Reynolds 504 00:20:52,304 --> 00:20:53,944 Speaker 1: in his little puffer jacket in New York. 505 00:20:53,784 --> 00:20:55,744 Speaker 2: Really better than Ryan Reynolds. I don't know what to 506 00:20:55,784 --> 00:20:56,264 Speaker 2: say about that. 507 00:20:56,304 --> 00:20:57,624 Speaker 1: I feel like this is when I was in love 508 00:20:57,664 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 1: with Lana del Ray's crocodile husband and you stopped that. 509 00:21:00,304 --> 00:21:03,544 Speaker 2: Do not even compare? How dare you? How dare you? 510 00:21:04,544 --> 00:21:05,064 Speaker 2: He wanted to. 511 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,864 Speaker 1: Stop the podcast horrible, and you wanted to stop the 512 00:21:07,864 --> 00:21:09,704 Speaker 1: podcast to ask what I was being serious? I feel 513 00:21:09,744 --> 00:21:11,304 Speaker 1: like I need to stop the podcast right now. I'd 514 00:21:11,304 --> 00:21:12,304 Speaker 1: ask you for being serious. 515 00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:14,504 Speaker 2: I'm sure the spillers would be on my side for this, 516 00:21:14,584 --> 00:21:16,424 Speaker 2: and I'm sure they're equally offended that you just try 517 00:21:16,464 --> 00:21:22,424 Speaker 2: to compare Race Alligator husband to Hugh Jackman. Amazing man. 518 00:21:22,584 --> 00:21:24,544 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Look, he's a very handsome man. I'm 519 00:21:24,544 --> 00:21:26,784 Speaker 1: not saying that. Also, I've had lovely interactions with him 520 00:21:26,784 --> 00:21:28,184 Speaker 1: as well. You know, I was at a premiere once 521 00:21:28,384 --> 00:21:29,784 Speaker 1: and I got my dress caught on the red car 522 00:21:29,864 --> 00:21:31,824 Speaker 1: but on one of the barricades, and I couldn't get 523 00:21:31,824 --> 00:21:33,864 Speaker 1: it off, and Hugh Jackman came over and like, that's 524 00:21:33,904 --> 00:21:34,264 Speaker 1: so hot. 525 00:21:34,664 --> 00:21:36,744 Speaker 2: Don't even tell me that. I can't even look at 526 00:21:36,784 --> 00:21:39,304 Speaker 2: you in the eye right now. I can't even look 527 00:21:39,344 --> 00:21:41,544 Speaker 2: at you in the eye right now. Ah, look at 528 00:21:41,544 --> 00:21:45,104 Speaker 2: that I've produced him showing us a shirtless photo obviously 529 00:21:45,184 --> 00:21:47,864 Speaker 2: when he's ripped his Anyway, this is we're objectifying Hugh Jackman. 530 00:21:47,904 --> 00:21:48,704 Speaker 2: I won't stand for it. 531 00:21:48,784 --> 00:21:51,984 Speaker 1: I'm sure back to him in Sutton Foster also, if 532 00:21:51,984 --> 00:21:56,144 Speaker 1: they got about angry and now you've got competition. So 533 00:21:56,664 --> 00:21:58,464 Speaker 1: I'm going to say there were maybe a few rumors 534 00:21:58,504 --> 00:22:01,224 Speaker 1: swirling around when The Music Man was really in play, 535 00:22:01,264 --> 00:22:02,944 Speaker 1: but so much of it started on the fact that 536 00:22:02,984 --> 00:22:06,144 Speaker 1: they were these two, you know, Broadway legends who are 537 00:22:06,144 --> 00:22:08,304 Speaker 1: coming together for this, who also had found success in 538 00:22:08,344 --> 00:22:11,184 Speaker 1: Hollywood's They were even more like bankable stuff for a musical. 539 00:22:11,264 --> 00:22:11,784 Speaker 1: Can I just. 540 00:22:11,744 --> 00:22:14,904 Speaker 2: Say I've seen photos of them in costume for the 541 00:22:14,984 --> 00:22:17,784 Speaker 2: music matter. Yeah, there's nothing sexy about. 542 00:22:17,824 --> 00:22:20,464 Speaker 1: Oh, it's not an overtly sexy musical. It's like a 543 00:22:20,464 --> 00:22:22,424 Speaker 1: beautiful kind of old schools. 544 00:22:22,424 --> 00:22:24,384 Speaker 2: For that to happen, I feel like there wouldn't have 545 00:22:24,424 --> 00:22:26,944 Speaker 2: been any like sexy chemistry there. No, they would have 546 00:22:26,984 --> 00:22:28,624 Speaker 2: had to create it and a secret thing. 547 00:22:29,104 --> 00:22:31,384 Speaker 1: You're in rehearsal for months or something like that. You're 548 00:22:31,384 --> 00:22:33,104 Speaker 1: spending all day from early in the morning to late 549 00:22:33,104 --> 00:22:35,944 Speaker 1: at night dancing and singing in a rehearsal room, and. 550 00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:37,784 Speaker 2: I'd feel like I never want to see these people again. 551 00:22:38,584 --> 00:22:40,664 Speaker 1: This is why people have show MANswers, because like it 552 00:22:40,784 --> 00:22:43,464 Speaker 1: just becomes this whole kind of whirlwind of view behind 553 00:22:43,464 --> 00:22:45,824 Speaker 1: the scenes. And then I guess they're always singing on 554 00:22:45,864 --> 00:22:48,424 Speaker 1: stage every night. Well at the time, too, they were 555 00:22:48,424 --> 00:22:51,304 Speaker 1: both so reported to be like happily married, and she 556 00:22:51,424 --> 00:22:54,504 Speaker 1: had also talked about the fact that Hugh adopted his 557 00:22:54,624 --> 00:22:57,184 Speaker 1: two children with Deborah and then she had gone through 558 00:22:57,264 --> 00:22:59,464 Speaker 1: the adoption process, and it's something they had in common 559 00:22:59,464 --> 00:23:02,304 Speaker 1: and could discuss, and so it was very wholesome family 560 00:23:02,384 --> 00:23:04,984 Speaker 1: vibes around them, and so this week when it was 561 00:23:05,024 --> 00:23:08,024 Speaker 1: reported there together, I think that was quite shocking for 562 00:23:08,064 --> 00:23:08,544 Speaker 1: a few people. 563 00:23:08,584 --> 00:23:09,664 Speaker 2: It was a confirm there together. 564 00:23:09,744 --> 00:23:11,704 Speaker 1: It's on a hundred confirmed, and I should say, you're 565 00:23:11,744 --> 00:23:14,344 Speaker 1: still in with a chance. Don't worry. First there were 566 00:23:14,384 --> 00:23:17,624 Speaker 1: just reports that they were seeing each other, and then 567 00:23:17,664 --> 00:23:20,464 Speaker 1: even places like people started reporting that they had confirmed, 568 00:23:20,464 --> 00:23:22,464 Speaker 1: which does make me think it's real that they had 569 00:23:22,504 --> 00:23:24,704 Speaker 1: confirmed behind the scenes that they're quite madly in love. 570 00:23:24,744 --> 00:23:27,544 Speaker 1: They spend all their time together. They're being so careful 571 00:23:27,624 --> 00:23:29,504 Speaker 1: not to be seen, which I think speaks to that 572 00:23:29,584 --> 00:23:31,224 Speaker 1: idea that if you don't want to be seen, and 573 00:23:31,224 --> 00:23:33,824 Speaker 1: you've got those money in those resources, you can just 574 00:23:33,864 --> 00:23:36,224 Speaker 1: get around New York without. You know, they're not walking 575 00:23:36,224 --> 00:23:37,904 Speaker 1: out the street together. They're not going to events together. 576 00:23:37,944 --> 00:23:39,704 Speaker 1: They're not going to any hot spots. They're probably just 577 00:23:39,784 --> 00:23:42,664 Speaker 1: driving into like underground garages and like getting in it out. 578 00:23:42,544 --> 00:23:44,224 Speaker 2: Of the celebrities can't do it if they tried. 579 00:23:44,544 --> 00:23:47,184 Speaker 1: Well, these two definitely are and it's been reported that 580 00:23:47,224 --> 00:23:49,744 Speaker 1: they're quite madly in love and they want to spend there. 581 00:23:49,824 --> 00:23:51,184 Speaker 1: I mean, this is from page six, so I'm going 582 00:23:51,264 --> 00:23:53,224 Speaker 1: to take this with a bit of grain salt. Where 583 00:23:53,384 --> 00:23:55,424 Speaker 1: they So they spoke to someone close to the couple 584 00:23:55,464 --> 00:23:57,064 Speaker 1: and they say they are one hundred percent together and 585 00:23:57,144 --> 00:23:58,624 Speaker 1: are in love and want to spend the rest of 586 00:23:58,664 --> 00:24:01,304 Speaker 1: their lives together, and they're going out of their way 587 00:24:01,344 --> 00:24:03,584 Speaker 1: to hide it, but it's common knowledge. And then reports 588 00:24:03,624 --> 00:24:06,344 Speaker 1: have also come out and this i'd find less likely. 589 00:24:06,384 --> 00:24:08,384 Speaker 1: But this is where the scandal is coming in, because 590 00:24:08,664 --> 00:24:11,704 Speaker 1: up until now this isn't so scandalous. If the timeline 591 00:24:11,784 --> 00:24:14,104 Speaker 1: checks out in terms of that they work together, they 592 00:24:14,104 --> 00:24:17,344 Speaker 1: were friends, they both went through divorces and separations. We 593 00:24:17,384 --> 00:24:20,184 Speaker 1: don't know how long Sutton's been, Like separated from our husband, 594 00:24:20,184 --> 00:24:21,824 Speaker 1: you have to be separated for a certain amount of 595 00:24:21,824 --> 00:24:24,424 Speaker 1: time before you can file for divorce anyway, So if 596 00:24:24,424 --> 00:24:27,984 Speaker 1: that timeline is correct, it's two single people getting together 597 00:24:27,984 --> 00:24:30,624 Speaker 1: in a relationship. But that's totally fine. But now reports 598 00:24:30,624 --> 00:24:33,424 Speaker 1: are coming out that like debray, Furnace is saying she 599 00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:37,264 Speaker 1: always suspected something, which those are the reports I don't 600 00:24:37,304 --> 00:24:40,064 Speaker 1: find quite true. Okay, well that's where it's going into 601 00:24:40,064 --> 00:24:42,744 Speaker 1: a bit more tability scandal. I haven't seen any reputable 602 00:24:42,784 --> 00:24:45,344 Speaker 1: outlets report that, but what it has done, it has 603 00:24:45,384 --> 00:24:48,064 Speaker 1: added to the scandal. And now it's making Sutton look 604 00:24:48,104 --> 00:24:49,584 Speaker 1: like this woman who came in and broke up a 605 00:24:49,584 --> 00:24:52,424 Speaker 1: Hollywood marriage. And I'm just gonna say, of my good 606 00:24:52,424 --> 00:24:54,224 Speaker 1: friend Sutton, who I met one time, we had one 607 00:24:54,264 --> 00:24:57,304 Speaker 1: drink together, I met him. 608 00:24:57,224 --> 00:24:59,464 Speaker 2: Twice, okay, so I feel like you know him a 609 00:24:59,504 --> 00:25:01,184 Speaker 2: bit better. Both lovely people. 610 00:25:01,224 --> 00:25:03,424 Speaker 1: I've got to say, on the list of celebrities I hate, 611 00:25:03,424 --> 00:25:05,224 Speaker 1: they were not even there who I've met and I hate. 612 00:25:05,384 --> 00:25:08,544 Speaker 1: But I just think it's interesting how there's two sides 613 00:25:08,624 --> 00:25:11,424 Speaker 1: this story. You've got one set of people who love 614 00:25:11,504 --> 00:25:14,624 Speaker 1: this couple and like so thrilled there together, and then 615 00:25:14,744 --> 00:25:17,144 Speaker 1: another set of people who were kind of having to 616 00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:19,824 Speaker 1: paint him as this like man who got trapped by 617 00:25:19,824 --> 00:25:20,464 Speaker 1: his co star. 618 00:25:21,024 --> 00:25:21,624 Speaker 2: And these are. 619 00:25:21,504 --> 00:25:23,984 Speaker 1: Probably the same people who were all shitting on Deborah 620 00:25:24,024 --> 00:25:26,624 Speaker 1: for being like a beard or whatever gross stuff they 621 00:25:26,624 --> 00:25:28,904 Speaker 1: said for years and now defending their marriage. 622 00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:29,624 Speaker 2: Like pick aside. 623 00:25:29,664 --> 00:25:32,184 Speaker 1: You guys are just jumping to whichever story you like 624 00:25:32,224 --> 00:25:33,704 Speaker 1: in the moment of who you can rip down. 625 00:25:34,064 --> 00:25:37,384 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to put bad vibes out there, 626 00:25:37,424 --> 00:25:40,224 Speaker 2: but I'm low key hoping it doesn't work out between them. 627 00:25:40,344 --> 00:25:42,784 Speaker 2: There's just something about like a single celebrity man where 628 00:25:42,784 --> 00:25:44,984 Speaker 2: you just have like like you feel it with Joshua Jackson, 629 00:25:45,624 --> 00:25:47,704 Speaker 2: you just feel out there. There could be. 630 00:25:49,464 --> 00:25:50,864 Speaker 1: Not you booking a long way to get to New 631 00:25:50,944 --> 00:25:52,784 Speaker 1: York to go to his one man show to see 632 00:25:52,824 --> 00:25:53,864 Speaker 1: how things play out. 633 00:25:53,784 --> 00:25:56,584 Speaker 2: And then I'd expense it. Thank you so much for 634 00:25:56,704 --> 00:25:59,304 Speaker 2: listening to the Spill today. The Spill is produced by 635 00:25:59,384 --> 00:26:02,624 Speaker 2: Kimberly Bradish with sound production by Scott Strounnik. If you 636 00:26:02,704 --> 00:26:04,824 Speaker 2: love listening to us, we would love it if you 637 00:26:04,864 --> 00:26:07,464 Speaker 2: could please give us a little rate and review in 638 00:26:07,504 --> 00:26:10,344 Speaker 2: whichever podcast app you listen to us on. We will 639 00:26:10,544 --> 00:26:13,664 Speaker 2: really really appreciate it. Five stars only, obviously, and. 640 00:26:13,704 --> 00:26:15,264 Speaker 1: I do go through and read them all. So if 641 00:26:15,304 --> 00:26:16,864 Speaker 1: you write a nice one about Emily, I'll read it 642 00:26:16,864 --> 00:26:17,264 Speaker 1: out to her. 643 00:26:17,344 --> 00:26:19,664 Speaker 2: Yes, because I didn't read them because I get scared. 644 00:26:20,424 --> 00:26:22,384 Speaker 2: We will be back here in your podcast feed at 645 00:26:22,424 --> 00:26:29,864 Speaker 2: three pm tomorrow. Bye bye