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Speaker 1: You're listening to a Mumma mea podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I'm Taylor Strano. This is Mumma MIA's twice daily

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Speaker 2: news podcast, The Quickie. No longer a duke, now no

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Speaker 2: longer a Prince. King Charles has stripped his baby brother

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Speaker 2: of his birthright title as Prince Andrew. Now he's down

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Speaker 2: to his last name, Andrew Mountain Batton Windsor. The decision

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Speaker 2: comes after the unrelenting media storm around Andrew's links with

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Speaker 2: the late child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and sexual abuse

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Speaker 2: allegations leveled against him by Virginia Jewfrey. So what happens now?

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Speaker 2: Before we get there, he is Claire Murphy with the

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Speaker 2: latest from The Quickie newsroom for Monday, November three.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Taylor. Former Prince Andrew mount Batton Windsor is due

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Speaker 3: to be stripped of his last remaining military position as

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Speaker 3: part of King Charles's decision to remove his brother from

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Speaker 3: public life. Defense Secretary John Healey told the BBC that

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Speaker 3: moves underway to take away Andrew's position as a vice

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Speaker 3: admiral in the UK Navy, and that Charles had indicated

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Speaker 3: that's what he wishes. The King last week stripped his

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Speaker 3: younger brother of his title of Prince and evicted him

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Speaker 3: from his mansion in a bid to prevent further damage

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Speaker 3: to the Royal family's reputation over Andrew's ties to the

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Speaker 3: late child sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Heally said his department

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Speaker 3: was working to remove the rank, which Andrew was awarded

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Speaker 3: on his fifty fifth birthday in twenty fifteen. Heally would

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Speaker 3: not comment on whether Andrew would be able to keep

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Speaker 3: his medals, including the Campaign Medal he received for his

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Speaker 3: service in the Falklands War, but said the Ministry of

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Speaker 3: Defense would be guided by the decisions of the King.

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Speaker 3: Andrew has been associated with the Royal Navy since nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy nine, when he began officer training at Britannia Royal

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Speaker 3: and was part of the task force deployed to retake

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Speaker 3: the Falklands following the Argentinian invasion in nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 3: Property prices have recorded the sharpest growth in more than

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Speaker 3: two years, the government's first Home Buyers scheme, reportedly igniting

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Speaker 3: the reserve banks started cutting interest rates in February. In October,

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Speaker 3: home prices grew by one point one percent nationally, the

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Speaker 3: to property analytics firm Cotality's latest Home Value Index, published today,

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Speaker 3: of suburbs nationwide with median house values below the eligibility threshold,

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Speaker 3: down from fifty one percent two months prior. Police in

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Speaker 3: the UK say a NiFe attack on a train which

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Speaker 3: adding that two men, both UK citizens, have been arrested.

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Speaker 3: Counter Terrorism police helped with the initial investigation after the

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Speaker 3: on Saturday, Superintendent John Lovelace from British Transport Police sharing

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Speaker 3: that at this stage there's nothing to suggest that this

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Speaker 3: is a tear arrest incident. The two men arrested on

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Speaker 3: armed police after the train made an emergency stop at Huntingdon,

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Speaker 3: the eleven people hospitalized, four have since been discharged and

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Speaker 3: face to face talks between Presidents Donald Trump and Vladimir

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Speaker 3: October twenty two, for the first time, imposts sanctions on

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Speaker 3: reiterating the Kremlin's position that Russia rejects calls from the US,

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Speaker 2: Thanks Claire, Next, Prince Andrew, a prince no more. Virginia

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Speaker 2: This ordinary American girl from an ordinary American family who

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Speaker 2: That's the statement put out by Virginia's brother and sister

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Speaker 2: just months before her now posthumously released memoir, Nobody's Girl,

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Speaker 2: public outrage exploding into Parliament. Virginia's story starts long before

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Speaker 2: meeting Jeffrey Epstein and Andrew. Her memoir details her account

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Speaker 2: of resilience, abuse, and trauma in its darkest form. Now,

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Speaker 2: her story, through narration courtesy of Penguin, is giving Virginia's

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Speaker 4: The old man wears black slacks and a colored shirt.

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Speaker 4: The men in my family tend toward blue jeans or coveralls.

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Speaker 4: I hope this stranger is different from them in other ways. Too.

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Speaker 4: Come in here so we can take care of you,

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Speaker 4: the old man says, as the girl nods encouragement. I

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Speaker 2: But of course she doesn't shy away from the intense

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Speaker 4: If I wanted to glimpse my future, all I had

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Speaker 4: to do was look at Sarah Kellen. For a few

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Speaker 4: years before i'd met her, she'd serviced Epstein sexually, or

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Speaker 2: After her posthumous memoyit Shelves, the Windsor family faced a reckoning.

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Speaker 2: Last month. Andrew handed back his other royal titles, including

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Speaker 2: he was still Prince Andrew. Now he's down to his

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Speaker 2: He's also been given his marching orders from the Royal Lodge.

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Speaker 2: Andrew will now call a private accommodation on the Sandring

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Speaker 2: ex wife, Sarah Ferguson, will also have to leave the

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Speaker 2: royal grounds. In the early hours of Friday morning, Australia time,

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Speaker 2: Buckingham Palace released this statement.

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Speaker 5: His Majesty has today initiated a formal process to remove

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Speaker 5: the style, titles and honors of Prince Andrew. Prince Andrew

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Speaker 5: will now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. His lease

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Speaker 5: protection to continue in residence. Formal notice has now been

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Speaker 5: Their Majesties wish to make clear that their thoughts and

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Speaker 2: So why has the King now given Andrew the acts?

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Speaker 2: A second wave of public anger emerged after Virginia's posthumous

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Speaker 2: claims he's always denied. It should also be noted Andrew

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Speaker 2: her experience as a victim of sex trafficking. British politicians

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Speaker 2: even debated stripping him of the Duke of York title

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Speaker 2: in Parliament, a move with no modern precedent, but in

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Speaker 2: the end the Palace took decisive action with support from

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Speaker 6: I think there's a case against him for misconduct in

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Speaker 7: So if that case is made and he is charged,

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Speaker 2: Larnie also says that even though this move by King

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Speaker 2: Charles feels late, it does point to the ushering in

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Speaker 6: Well, it shows that when they are a popular opinion

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Speaker 6: But I do think it's a modernizing issue. It's a

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Speaker 6: survival issue. I think, you know, there's a lot still

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Speaker 6: beginning of a modernizing issue in terms of more transparency

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Speaker 6: about for example, with finances, their records, etc.

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Speaker 7: But I think this is an attempt to stave.

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Speaker 6: Off public opinion and it would just be interested to

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Speaker 2: let's start with the big stuff. Andrew is a prince

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Speaker 2: by birth right now, a lot of us were under

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Speaker 2: So how can his brother, the king give him the

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Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be an interesting and rather likely

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Speaker 1: involved the King issuing new letters patent a royal warrant.

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Speaker 1: Then may well be parliamentary input as well. At this

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Speaker 1: point the process, how it's actually going to unfold, we

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Speaker 1: don't know, but we do know that the wheels have

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Speaker 1: effective immediately in terms of how we now refer to

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Speaker 1: Andrew no longer a prince as of today, he is

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Speaker 1: mister Andrew Mountbatten Windsor.

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Speaker 2: Why now Victoria he has already handed back his title

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Speaker 2: as the Duke of York. He was already a few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, no longer we've seen as part of the

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Speaker 2: working royal family. Is this the monarch succumbing to public

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Speaker 1: I think certainly public pressure has played a role in

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Speaker 1: the decision to do this now, as has parliamentary pressure,

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Speaker 1: media pressure, social media pressure. But I think really the

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Speaker 1: reason that there has been renewed focus on Andrew is

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Speaker 1: because of the recent publication of Virginia dey phrase posthumous

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Speaker 1: memoir Nobody's Girl, and that suddenly re intensified the questions

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Speaker 1: surrounding Andrew. But it also led to people questioning the

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Speaker 1: transparency surrounding royals, their financial side of things. How is

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Speaker 1: There has been knock on question after knock on question

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Speaker 1: as a result of that memoir, and I think really,

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Speaker 1: with everything coming into focus sharper focus, the King recognized

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Speaker 1: that he's had to take strong action. I think until

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Speaker 1: now the King is a sensitive man. Bear in mind,

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Speaker 1: he's being treated for cancer as well. We're dealing with

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Speaker 5: The problem was.

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Speaker 1: Andrew wasn't doing the right thing, and so I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really does speak volumes about the power and

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Speaker 1: While I think Virginia Geoffrey really got the ball rolling

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Speaker 1: interesting to note that in the King's statement, the very

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Speaker 1: for the victims of sexual assault, Andrew has rarely mentioned them.

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Speaker 5: He had a statement just a.

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Speaker 1: Couple of weeks ago you alluded to it before, where

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Speaker 1: he said that he was voluntarily opting to no longer

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Speaker 1: and so I think the King is also cognizant of

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Speaker 1: and the monarchy had to take a stand, and the

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Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and indeed victims of sexual assault all

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Speaker 1: over the world. And so that's what he was able

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Speaker 2: You mentioned there that it'll be up to a court

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Speaker 2: as serious as like life imprisonment. What do you think

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Speaker 2: do you think, now that he's no longer part of

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Speaker 2: the royal family quote unquote, that he too may have

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Speaker 1: The likelihood of Prince Andrew former Prince Andrew, It's going

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Speaker 1: to take a while to get used to saying just Andrew,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. Thelihood of him going to prison is remote,

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Speaker 1: but also a prison for what, because as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: he has yet to be investigated, for, charged or convicted

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Speaker 1: of a crime. I think where Andrew would best really

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Speaker 1: the authorities, because, let's face it, he knows something. He

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Speaker 1: everybody else because there were hundreds, if not thousands, of

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Speaker 1: for more than No, he's absolutely not going to prison,

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Speaker 1: It is, and I think overall people seem to be

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Speaker 1: saying that this is fair. I have seen some mixed reactions,

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Speaker 1: very difficult to bear. I don't feel sympathy for Andrew.

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Speaker 7: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's very easy to level hate and disdaists and all

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Speaker 1: the rest of it, but we have to come back

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