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Speaker 2: From Mama may I. Welcome to the Spell, your daily

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Speaker 2: pop culture fix. I'm m Burnham and I'm Laura Brodneck

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Speaker 2: and we have a very special episode today.

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Speaker 3: Yes, today's episode is a brutally honest review of Clueless

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Speaker 3: que Kids in America.

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Speaker 1: The theme song that kicks it all off locking out.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So obviously, Clueless is one of the greatest movies

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Speaker 3: ever created, and it came out thirty years ago. Well

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Speaker 3: technically last week, but we had a bit on It

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Speaker 3: came out thirty years ago in a week long span. Now,

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Speaker 3: I should say the whole premise of brutally honest reviews

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Speaker 3: for a TV show or a movie.

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Speaker 1: So I must.

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Speaker 3: Apologize that we are late on this one. We should

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Speaker 3: have done it thirty years ago, and that's on us.

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Speaker 2: That's on us. We apologize. I'm so sorry for not

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Speaker 3: Yes, we apologize because it wasn't born. I was a child,

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Speaker 3: and that's on us.

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Speaker 2: That's on us.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take.

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Speaker 2: That here and we're going to do better.

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Speaker 1: But we thought this.

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Speaker 3: Week everyone is talking about the movie again. Everyone's writing

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Speaker 3: think pieces and reviews, the cast is doing interviews. It's

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Speaker 3: all over TikTok with people doing like them favorite memories

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Speaker 3: of this movie, because this is a movie that has

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Speaker 3: shaped multiple generations. And then we thought, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to let our mistake of being not born in a

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Speaker 3: child get in the way of a brutally honest review

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Speaker 3: of one of the greatest movies ever.

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Speaker 2: No, so we're thirty years late, but it's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a good one.

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Speaker 3: And I should say, I mean, I've watched this movie

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the first time you watched it?

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Speaker 2: I was thirteen. Oh, okay, I think I was still

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Speaker 2: a bit too young to fully understands the the caveats.

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Speaker 2: Also because teenagers in the nineties were way different to

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Speaker 2: the sexual innuendos and like the smoking and the fashion.

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Speaker 2: A lot of it was I was very confused. But

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Speaker 2: and I had my posters or like Jessin McCartney and

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Speaker 2: girls were like quoting Clueless, even though they were much

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Speaker 2: too young to also be in that like zygeist time,

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Speaker 2: but they were like quoting Clueless, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Clueless, and I have to watch the case today.

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Speaker 2: Still hold up till this day, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because it's still a banger over movie.

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Speaker 2: When was the first time you watched it?

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Speaker 1: Do you know what?

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Speaker 3: I have no memory, because it's always been there. It's

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Speaker 2: Maybe you did do it as a child, and then

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Speaker 3: No, I should have as a small child, and it

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Speaker 2: Like, you're a virgin who can't do She did?

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Speaker 1: She did? She She knew the whole movie. And needless

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Speaker 3: That is how much this movie is meant to so

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Speaker 1: So she wrote and directed Yes, we owe that woman

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Speaker 3: So basically she was kind of shaping teen movies at

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Speaker 2: She did. I'm also look who's talking.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the woman's a genius.

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Speaker 3: So what happens in Hollywood a lot of the time

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Speaker 3: So such clueless is some people say loosely adapted, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, if you know, the inspiration was

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Speaker 3: Those whole storylines, characters and relationships.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty much Amy Heckling took the.

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Speaker 3: She's a man, yeah exactly well that this spawned a

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Speaker 2: I love that I've gone into a full deep dive

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Speaker 3: And the thing is in any other movie, she would

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all the way through. The had to do the

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Speaker 2: She's like a really important design.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I still check got it.

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Speaker 2: What I love about this movie is that it was

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Speaker 2: the yellow.

437
00:18:52,064 --> 00:18:54,544
Speaker 3: So you know what I so love is that Alicia

438
00:18:54,584 --> 00:18:55,864
Speaker 3: Silverson has that outfit.

439
00:18:56,064 --> 00:18:56,704
Speaker 2: She hasn't.

440
00:18:56,944 --> 00:18:59,904
Speaker 1: She pulls it out in commercials, she pulls.

441
00:18:59,624 --> 00:19:02,664
Speaker 3: It out for TikTok, she did it on that lip

442
00:19:02,664 --> 00:19:06,864
Speaker 3: sync battle. She recently, honor of the thirtieth anniversary, recreated that.

443
00:19:06,944 --> 00:19:10,664
Speaker 1: Ooh with her son Bear.

444
00:19:10,784 --> 00:19:12,984
Speaker 3: Now, look, that woman has got a lot of flack

445
00:19:13,024 --> 00:19:15,304
Speaker 3: over the years, and some of it fair. I'm just

446
00:19:15,344 --> 00:19:17,584
Speaker 3: going to say, love her to death. She pedals some

447
00:19:17,664 --> 00:19:21,344
Speaker 3: dangerous health information. But she got raked over the coals

448
00:19:21,464 --> 00:19:24,144
Speaker 3: when she revealed that she used to feed Bear from

449
00:19:24,144 --> 00:19:27,264
Speaker 3: her mouth, just the bird feeding thing, because she's kind

450
00:19:27,264 --> 00:19:29,504
Speaker 3: of like a very kind of health conscious granola mom.

451
00:19:29,584 --> 00:19:31,424
Speaker 3: And I was like, can share horror.

452
00:19:31,224 --> 00:19:34,184
Speaker 1: WIT's just live. I know, I have a confession. Oh

453
00:19:34,224 --> 00:19:36,144
Speaker 1: my god, what your mom fed you from her mouth?

454
00:19:36,224 --> 00:19:39,064
Speaker 2: Okay? So you know how like my background's Indian. Yeah,

455
00:19:39,104 --> 00:19:42,704
Speaker 2: so you obviously can't give your children like straight up

456
00:19:43,104 --> 00:19:46,544
Speaker 2: chili curries when they're born. So what my mom used

457
00:19:46,584 --> 00:19:48,464
Speaker 2: to do or she would take like the bits of meat,

458
00:19:48,984 --> 00:19:56,584
Speaker 2: suck out all the spice, and then sloppy chicken from.

459
00:19:57,624 --> 00:20:03,984
Speaker 1: You and Bear silver Stone. So I'm like, leave.

460
00:20:03,824 --> 00:20:05,864
Speaker 2: Her alone just because she says it out loud, like

461
00:20:06,104 --> 00:20:09,264
Speaker 2: moms do whatever to get their kids to eat.

462
00:20:09,424 --> 00:20:14,424
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that right exactly Alicia Silverstone's parenting.

463
00:20:14,664 --> 00:20:16,544
Speaker 1: I was like, not on my watch. Then she's like,

464
00:20:16,584 --> 00:20:17,144
Speaker 1: maybe don't.

465
00:20:16,984 --> 00:20:22,144
Speaker 3: Get vaccine, and I'm like, oh, I can't follow you there,

466
00:20:22,184 --> 00:20:23,784
Speaker 3: But the rest of the stuff, I'm on board with you.

467
00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:26,024
Speaker 3: I'm bored with you anyway, So that's that's neither here

468
00:20:26,104 --> 00:20:28,064
Speaker 3: on air. And then yes, we have the introduction of

469
00:20:28,144 --> 00:20:31,464
Speaker 3: Tye coming to school as the loser transfer girl, and

470
00:20:31,504 --> 00:20:34,344
Speaker 3: Brittany Murphy is wearing like a graphic T shirt she's got.

471
00:20:34,344 --> 00:20:36,784
Speaker 3: They've put like just a red almost like a gel

472
00:20:36,864 --> 00:20:39,304
Speaker 3: through her hair so they could like wash it out later,

473
00:20:39,784 --> 00:20:42,784
Speaker 3: and Dionne and Chair take her on his little charity project,

474
00:20:43,104 --> 00:20:44,304
Speaker 3: which she was on board with.

475
00:20:44,344 --> 00:20:47,864
Speaker 2: And I understand, Yeah, dion is like the crowd favorite.

476
00:20:47,944 --> 00:20:50,624
Speaker 2: She's like acting as us the audience going what's going on?

477
00:20:50,744 --> 00:20:54,464
Speaker 2: But what share Dionne did to Tie is what the

478
00:20:54,464 --> 00:20:56,024
Speaker 2: movie she is all that was trying to.

479
00:20:56,024 --> 00:20:59,184
Speaker 1: Achieve the whole Really, Wow, explain your hypothesis.

480
00:20:59,224 --> 00:21:03,664
Speaker 2: I feel like Clueless was the first true makeover transformation

481
00:21:03,864 --> 00:21:08,344
Speaker 2: that I actually believed. Yes, like ty we were introduced

482
00:21:08,384 --> 00:21:11,104
Speaker 2: to her and I was like, oh, yeah, this is

483
00:21:11,184 --> 00:21:13,624
Speaker 2: like a geeky kid, Like what can they do to

484
00:21:13,704 --> 00:21:16,824
Speaker 2: make her like the beautiful popular girl in that like

485
00:21:16,864 --> 00:21:20,064
Speaker 2: stereotypical way, And they did it, and she was beautiful

486
00:21:20,064 --> 00:21:21,984
Speaker 2: and stereotypical and popular, and I was like, and I

487
00:21:22,024 --> 00:21:24,824
Speaker 2: see it, Like it wasn't like a beautiful girl in disguise,

488
00:21:24,824 --> 00:21:27,464
Speaker 2: even though Brittany Murphy is just absolutely stunning, but they

489
00:21:27,504 --> 00:21:29,784
Speaker 2: really made you believe that, yeah, she was a giggy

490
00:21:29,824 --> 00:21:31,824
Speaker 2: girl and like there's nothing you can do to change that.

491
00:21:32,024 --> 00:21:34,864
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so true because they like.

492
00:21:34,864 --> 00:21:37,824
Speaker 2: She saw that where she was just wearing glasses beautiful.

493
00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:39,984
Speaker 3: Which I love when they parody that another team, but

494
00:21:39,984 --> 00:21:41,784
Speaker 3: they just take up her glasses, like and we're not.

495
00:21:43,944 --> 00:21:46,864
Speaker 3: I know, it's such an iconic makeover scene where they

496
00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:49,624
Speaker 3: wash the head eye out and like do her makeup

497
00:21:49,624 --> 00:21:51,944
Speaker 3: and hair and they start even doing like body exercises

498
00:21:51,984 --> 00:21:55,904
Speaker 3: and stuff and I'm a supermodel plays to an iconic song.

499
00:21:55,784 --> 00:21:57,904
Speaker 1: And yet you really see it. It's also kind of

500
00:21:57,904 --> 00:21:59,024
Speaker 1: interesting in a way that like.

501
00:21:59,264 --> 00:22:01,544
Speaker 3: It kind of flips throughout the movie because Cher is

502
00:22:01,584 --> 00:22:03,944
Speaker 3: meant to be kind of like the guiding light for Tie.

503
00:22:03,944 --> 00:22:04,944
Speaker 1: Used to fish out of water.

504
00:22:05,024 --> 00:22:07,064
Speaker 3: But it goes to show like how none of these

505
00:22:07,144 --> 00:22:09,824
Speaker 3: characters like Cookie Cutter, because Tie is actually the more

506
00:22:09,864 --> 00:22:12,264
Speaker 3: worldly one in a way, Like there's so many also,

507
00:22:12,304 --> 00:22:14,264
Speaker 3: so many references I didn't get as a kid. When

508
00:22:14,304 --> 00:22:16,624
Speaker 3: they're talking about things like coke and she's like, no shit,

509
00:22:16,664 --> 00:22:17,384
Speaker 3: you guys got coke.

510
00:22:17,424 --> 00:22:17,544
Speaker 1: Here.

511
00:22:18,984 --> 00:22:20,784
Speaker 3: She's like yeah, this is America, and I'm like, as

512
00:22:20,784 --> 00:22:22,784
Speaker 3: an adult, my gosh, she wasn't talking about Coca cola.

513
00:22:22,984 --> 00:22:25,424
Speaker 3: But also when she's so shocked that shares a virgin,

514
00:22:25,624 --> 00:22:26,464
Speaker 3: which is another.

515
00:22:26,264 --> 00:22:27,224
Speaker 1: Thing because can't drive.

516
00:22:27,384 --> 00:22:30,024
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is an insult that comes up later.

517
00:22:30,064 --> 00:22:31,784
Speaker 3: But when they have that first thing, no shit, share

518
00:22:31,824 --> 00:22:35,104
Speaker 3: you're a virgin, and she was like, if you know

519
00:22:35,104 --> 00:22:36,584
Speaker 3: how it's picking out at my shoes and they only

520
00:22:36,664 --> 00:22:37,184
Speaker 3: got my feet.

521
00:22:37,224 --> 00:22:40,184
Speaker 1: I'm like, so true. It's true. But also it's kind of.

522
00:22:40,064 --> 00:22:43,304
Speaker 3: Interesting because usually the popular girl in that kind of

523
00:22:43,304 --> 00:22:45,704
Speaker 3: movie in the nineties would be seen as like the

524
00:22:45,824 --> 00:22:48,064
Speaker 3: over sexualized and being a.

525
00:22:48,104 --> 00:22:50,224
Speaker 2: Virgin finning after all the boys.

526
00:22:50,304 --> 00:22:51,704
Speaker 1: Yeah, and immediately you know.

527
00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:54,504
Speaker 2: That she's not standing for any like teenage boy. Like

528
00:22:54,504 --> 00:22:57,744
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, high school boys grows yeah, and I'm like, wait,

529
00:22:58,064 --> 00:22:59,944
Speaker 2: high school boys are gross?

530
00:23:00,104 --> 00:23:00,384
Speaker 1: Yeah?

531
00:23:00,584 --> 00:23:02,144
Speaker 2: And am I trying to make them fall in love

532
00:23:02,184 --> 00:23:02,344
Speaker 2: with me?

533
00:23:02,904 --> 00:23:04,544
Speaker 3: And she was just like I think I'm just gonna

534
00:23:04,584 --> 00:23:07,224
Speaker 3: wait because I think I'm better than this, and you're like, actually, yeah,

535
00:23:07,304 --> 00:23:07,624
Speaker 3: like this.

536
00:23:07,624 --> 00:23:09,624
Speaker 1: Is such an important high school movie. I don't know

537
00:23:09,664 --> 00:23:12,344
Speaker 1: why young going out with the high school point. They're

538
00:23:12,384 --> 00:23:14,944
Speaker 1: like dogs, you have to clean them. And feed them.

539
00:23:15,264 --> 00:23:18,024
Speaker 4: They're just like these nervous creatures that jumped its slaver

540
00:23:18,144 --> 00:23:18,744
Speaker 4: all over.

541
00:23:18,624 --> 00:23:24,864
Speaker 3: You, oh off of me, as she's a freaking feminist

542
00:23:25,024 --> 00:23:27,304
Speaker 3: icon because saying like, yeah, like we're so picky about

543
00:23:27,304 --> 00:23:29,984
Speaker 3: our shoes, we should be also picky about the people

544
00:23:30,024 --> 00:23:32,784
Speaker 3: we have sex with. And it's like she's talking the truth.

545
00:23:32,864 --> 00:23:35,824
Speaker 3: Also with like my man is setis fat, but technically

546
00:23:35,984 --> 00:23:36,624
Speaker 3: I'm a virgin.

547
00:23:40,064 --> 00:23:41,144
Speaker 1: Me as a five year old.

548
00:23:40,984 --> 00:23:44,544
Speaker 3: Being like satisfied, I was like these girls and my

549
00:23:44,704 --> 00:23:48,344
Speaker 3: people were on the same level. So much that I

550
00:23:48,384 --> 00:23:50,064
Speaker 3: know about like sex and drugs and stuff. I'm just

551
00:23:50,144 --> 00:23:53,064
Speaker 3: real like thinkin from clueless, like these women raised me.

552
00:23:53,224 --> 00:23:54,944
Speaker 2: And I only found that on my second watch when

553
00:23:54,944 --> 00:23:57,264
Speaker 2: I was about eighteen. When I was thirteen, I was

554
00:23:57,264 --> 00:23:58,704
Speaker 2: just like this is cool, and one of my second

555
00:23:58,744 --> 00:24:00,944
Speaker 2: and my second watch, I was like, oh shit, yes cool.

556
00:24:01,544 --> 00:24:04,224
Speaker 3: It's all coming full circle though, and then we see

557
00:24:04,424 --> 00:24:06,944
Speaker 3: Tires start to evolve become the popular girl. I also

558
00:24:06,984 --> 00:24:08,784
Speaker 3: love that first time that she's trying to teach her

559
00:24:08,784 --> 00:24:10,904
Speaker 3: how to speak properly and she's like, you can say

560
00:24:10,944 --> 00:24:13,264
Speaker 3: something like sporadically, and the first time she introduces her

561
00:24:13,304 --> 00:24:14,624
Speaker 3: to Josh, he's like I'll be.

562
00:24:14,584 --> 00:24:16,504
Speaker 1: Seeing you and she's like, yeah, I hope not.

563
00:24:16,624 --> 00:24:21,304
Speaker 3: Sporadically, it's like changing all her like not just who

564
00:24:21,344 --> 00:24:23,264
Speaker 3: she is, but how she speaks, how she thinks, which

565
00:24:23,864 --> 00:24:26,424
Speaker 3: evolves to not a good place as the movie goes along.

566
00:24:26,504 --> 00:24:29,744
Speaker 2: Yeah, does not evolve. She becomes really really mean, but

567
00:24:29,784 --> 00:24:32,104
Speaker 2: you can tell at her core she still has like

568
00:24:32,184 --> 00:24:35,584
Speaker 2: those deep like original needs, like how she is always

569
00:24:35,584 --> 00:24:38,544
Speaker 2: just pining after Travis. Yeah, and no matter who, like

570
00:24:38,704 --> 00:24:40,824
Speaker 2: Share tried to set her up, which she's like, no,

571
00:24:41,024 --> 00:24:43,064
Speaker 2: like she originally just wanted Travis, and then she like

572
00:24:43,344 --> 00:24:45,144
Speaker 2: had a crush on Josh, but then she realized she

573
00:24:45,184 --> 00:24:47,944
Speaker 2: didn't actually like Josh. Someone else liked Josh.

574
00:24:48,064 --> 00:24:49,824
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, oh my god, just a moment for

575
00:24:49,904 --> 00:24:50,944
Speaker 3: Travis Breckenmeier.

576
00:24:51,224 --> 00:24:51,984
Speaker 1: I love that man.

577
00:24:52,224 --> 00:24:54,784
Speaker 3: I've watching him do some interviews lately and he's like,

578
00:24:54,824 --> 00:24:57,024
Speaker 3: obviously looks a lot older now, but he still has

579
00:24:57,064 --> 00:25:01,064
Speaker 3: that breck and Meyer smile. When I up Skater Boy, Yeah, yeah,

580
00:25:01,144 --> 00:25:02,024
Speaker 3: he did his own stunts.

581
00:25:02,024 --> 00:25:04,104
Speaker 1: Important to say in the movie Rode.

582
00:25:03,904 --> 00:25:04,464
Speaker 2: To Skate Forward.

583
00:25:04,504 --> 00:25:06,464
Speaker 3: But also he said that he was a lot older

584
00:25:06,464 --> 00:25:08,304
Speaker 3: than Britney Murphy, well a couple of years older, because

585
00:25:08,304 --> 00:25:10,864
Speaker 3: she was the youngest wife bit, and he was saying

586
00:25:10,864 --> 00:25:12,984
Speaker 3: that he just saw her as a little sister and he

587
00:25:13,064 --> 00:25:15,744
Speaker 3: loved her so much, and that's why in that final

588
00:25:15,824 --> 00:25:18,424
Speaker 3: scene when a lot of different couples are kissing, he

589
00:25:18,584 --> 00:25:20,904
Speaker 3: leans over and kisses her on the forehead. And he

590
00:25:20,984 --> 00:25:22,584
Speaker 3: was supposed to kiss her on the lips. That was

591
00:25:22,584 --> 00:25:24,264
Speaker 3: in the script, and on the day he was like,

592
00:25:24,664 --> 00:25:26,584
Speaker 3: I'm not kissing my little sister on the lips.

593
00:25:26,784 --> 00:25:28,024
Speaker 1: Sorry, not happening.

594
00:25:28,344 --> 00:25:30,664
Speaker 2: He's like, I know how much you're like in insects.

595
00:25:31,984 --> 00:25:34,944
Speaker 1: This movie, but I will not buy by taking in

596
00:25:34,984 --> 00:25:38,224
Speaker 1: the incest. He took a stand against incest.

597
00:25:38,424 --> 00:25:41,024
Speaker 2: He took a stand against incest. I have to talk

598
00:25:41,064 --> 00:25:42,864
Speaker 2: about my favorite scene.

599
00:25:42,904 --> 00:25:44,184
Speaker 1: Oh, what's your favorite scene.

600
00:25:44,384 --> 00:25:45,904
Speaker 2: It's not my favorite scene, but it's the scene.

601
00:25:45,904 --> 00:25:47,984
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously every scene's our favorite scene, So what's

602
00:25:47,984 --> 00:25:48,744
Speaker 1: the one you're talking about?

603
00:25:48,744 --> 00:25:51,024
Speaker 2: It sticks out the most to me when Cher and

604
00:25:51,144 --> 00:25:54,384
Speaker 2: Elton at the d MB in like the dark, yeah,

605
00:25:54,384 --> 00:25:57,544
Speaker 2: and it's nighttime, and then she rejects him, so he

606
00:25:57,744 --> 00:26:00,984
Speaker 2: leaves her there, and it's like, up until then, you're

607
00:26:01,024 --> 00:26:03,664
Speaker 2: still seeing all this like positivity around her, right, like

608
00:26:03,744 --> 00:26:05,624
Speaker 2: so many things are going wrong for her, like she's

609
00:26:05,704 --> 00:26:08,864
Speaker 2: failing her driving test. It's not happening, like her friends

610
00:26:08,864 --> 00:26:10,944
Speaker 2: are kind of being weird with her, and she's still

611
00:26:10,984 --> 00:26:14,944
Speaker 2: so happy and positive and challenge energy. And she gets mugged.

612
00:26:16,224 --> 00:26:19,984
Speaker 1: It's like the most low stakes mugging I've.

613
00:26:19,824 --> 00:26:22,464
Speaker 2: Ever seen, to the point where she gets up and

614
00:26:22,464 --> 00:26:25,024
Speaker 2: she's not even like super super rattle. She just like

615
00:26:25,064 --> 00:26:27,944
Speaker 2: walks over the payphone and calls Josh to get her

616
00:26:27,944 --> 00:26:30,104
Speaker 2: to pick up and she's like, I got totally mugged.

617
00:26:31,944 --> 00:26:33,664
Speaker 1: So good again.

618
00:26:33,824 --> 00:26:35,784
Speaker 3: Pulled from Emma, I think in the book, it's like

619
00:26:36,024 --> 00:26:38,544
Speaker 3: Emma's doing a painting and afterwards she's like, but you

620
00:26:38,584 --> 00:26:40,304
Speaker 3: wanted the portrait of her and she's like, He's like

621
00:26:40,304 --> 00:26:41,344
Speaker 3: the portrait you painted.

622
00:26:41,664 --> 00:26:42,944
Speaker 1: And then in this she's like, but you have a

623
00:26:42,984 --> 00:26:45,824
Speaker 1: photo of Tie, hang your locker the photo you took.

624
00:26:46,144 --> 00:26:48,664
Speaker 3: So he basically assaults her like and then I yeah,

625
00:26:48,664 --> 00:26:50,224
Speaker 3: I love that scene Josh coming to pick her up.

626
00:26:50,264 --> 00:26:52,584
Speaker 1: Fun fact, I think you know this. Paul Rudd was

627
00:26:52,704 --> 00:26:57,344
Speaker 1: mugged like the day before Get a Break, First a

628
00:26:57,584 --> 00:26:58,464
Speaker 1: Run his share.

629
00:27:00,144 --> 00:27:04,864
Speaker 2: Am Amy was just following poor Biop.

630
00:27:08,704 --> 00:27:11,264
Speaker 1: He really had to have enough time. This movie, he's

631
00:27:11,304 --> 00:27:11,584
Speaker 1: trying to.

632
00:27:11,544 --> 00:27:17,744
Speaker 3: Man the same person who filmed Clueless, Filled ant Man,

633
00:27:17,824 --> 00:27:18,504
Speaker 3: Quantum Mania.

634
00:27:21,384 --> 00:27:23,704
Speaker 2: They're so scared of Paul Rud that like, we can't

635
00:27:23,824 --> 00:27:24,464
Speaker 2: leave him alone.

636
00:27:24,504 --> 00:27:26,944
Speaker 3: We have to follow him, we have to look after dreams. So, yeah,

637
00:27:26,944 --> 00:27:31,024
Speaker 3: Paul Rud shaved his head. He looks ridiculous. He's wearing

638
00:27:31,104 --> 00:27:33,944
Speaker 3: the weird cap. He's he that's how he really dances.

639
00:27:33,984 --> 00:27:35,624
Speaker 1: You know the scene they're taken to the nightclub and

640
00:27:35,624 --> 00:27:37,984
Speaker 1: they're like, he's talking to the bouncer and then he's

641
00:27:37,984 --> 00:27:41,744
Speaker 1: doing the shoulder dance. That's how he really dances.

642
00:27:41,584 --> 00:27:43,664
Speaker 2: It's such a dag. I love dag.

643
00:27:44,104 --> 00:27:45,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's such a dag.

644
00:27:45,144 --> 00:27:47,264
Speaker 2: And yeah, so like he also looks the exact same.

645
00:27:47,504 --> 00:27:50,464
Speaker 1: It's wild, it doesn't. It's the same for doing the

646
00:27:50,504 --> 00:27:52,384
Speaker 1: Lord's work. I just follow.

647
00:27:53,024 --> 00:27:53,984
Speaker 2: He needs to be studied.

648
00:27:54,264 --> 00:27:56,624
Speaker 3: So a few days before they film that scene, Paul

649
00:27:56,704 --> 00:27:59,544
Speaker 3: Rod was mugged and his back back was taken and

650
00:27:59,584 --> 00:28:02,224
Speaker 3: in the backpack was the script for Clueless to.

651
00:28:02,224 --> 00:28:03,904
Speaker 1: Say that I don't remember and.

652
00:28:05,664 --> 00:28:08,344
Speaker 2: That was wrong. Don't you remember? The one scene he's

653
00:28:08,344 --> 00:28:09,624
Speaker 2: able to nail is a mugging scene.

654
00:28:09,624 --> 00:28:11,104
Speaker 1: Be calling you exactly happened?

655
00:28:11,144 --> 00:28:13,264
Speaker 3: He's like, that was me days ago? And I also

656
00:28:13,264 --> 00:28:16,344
Speaker 3: didn't want to lie down in my outfit. I'm like,

657
00:28:16,384 --> 00:28:18,824
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that mugger. I didn't know the goal

658
00:28:18,944 --> 00:28:23,024
Speaker 3: they possessed of having the unreleased Clueless script in Paul

659
00:28:23,064 --> 00:28:25,984
Speaker 3: Rod's stolen backpack, so he had a hard time.

660
00:28:26,024 --> 00:28:27,544
Speaker 1: So that was rough for him, but he pulled it

661
00:28:27,584 --> 00:28:28,024
Speaker 1: together to.

662
00:28:28,024 --> 00:28:30,584
Speaker 3: Film the scene. I do love that scene where he

663
00:28:30,624 --> 00:28:32,624
Speaker 3: comes to pick up Share because he's got his college

664
00:28:32,664 --> 00:28:34,944
Speaker 3: hook up in the car, and that's when we get

665
00:28:34,944 --> 00:28:37,624
Speaker 3: that moment where you see that Share is like it's

666
00:28:37,664 --> 00:28:40,064
Speaker 3: almost like a line through to legally blonde. It's like

667
00:28:40,104 --> 00:28:42,824
Speaker 3: you're really smart in a different way that's not just

668
00:28:42,904 --> 00:28:44,944
Speaker 3: like remembering a textbook or something, because it's like that

669
00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:47,704
Speaker 3: whole thing of Ellwood's having a bit of street smarts,

670
00:28:47,704 --> 00:28:50,344
Speaker 3: so knowing how long a perm takes to set that

671
00:28:50,544 --> 00:28:52,704
Speaker 3: makes her the winner. And Share has a very similar

672
00:28:52,744 --> 00:28:56,384
Speaker 3: thing where the girl in the car is underscript college girls.

673
00:28:56,384 --> 00:28:59,424
Speaker 1: How I think of her? I actually think her name

674
00:28:59,504 --> 00:29:01,664
Speaker 1: might be eight me in the movie anyway, nondescriptive villain

675
00:29:01,664 --> 00:29:03,704
Speaker 1: college girl is in the car with Josh, and she's

676
00:29:03,744 --> 00:29:06,704
Speaker 1: obviously like one of those very snooty, pretentious kind of

677
00:29:07,144 --> 00:29:08,144
Speaker 1: college girls.

678
00:29:08,144 --> 00:29:10,984
Speaker 2: He's like trying to take the piss out of sharely.

679
00:29:10,624 --> 00:29:12,624
Speaker 3: Like to Share like obviously like cocked her as being

680
00:29:12,624 --> 00:29:13,544
Speaker 3: like a blonde bimbo.

681
00:29:13,704 --> 00:29:14,824
Speaker 2: This girl just got mugged.

682
00:29:16,144 --> 00:29:18,984
Speaker 3: She just got sexually assaulted and mugged. And then she's like,

683
00:29:19,184 --> 00:29:22,064
Speaker 3: you look dumb, so I'm gonna roast you. And then

684
00:29:22,104 --> 00:29:26,664
Speaker 3: they have that really iconic moment where she quotes Hamlet

685
00:29:26,784 --> 00:29:30,104
Speaker 3: and Chaer sees her moment and was like, that's not

686
00:29:30,184 --> 00:29:32,224
Speaker 3: what he said, and she's like, I think I remember

687
00:29:32,224 --> 00:29:34,704
Speaker 3: Hamlet accurately. And then you see Share just be like

688
00:29:34,704 --> 00:29:37,104
Speaker 3: in her eyes like I've got her and be like, well,

689
00:29:37,104 --> 00:29:39,344
Speaker 3: I think I remember mel Gibson acuary and he.

690
00:29:39,304 --> 00:29:42,184
Speaker 1: Didn't say that. That polonious guy did. And that's the

691
00:29:42,264 --> 00:29:43,224
Speaker 1: end of Josh's date.

692
00:29:43,984 --> 00:29:46,304
Speaker 2: So good, and that's a minute you see, Oh there's

693
00:29:46,344 --> 00:29:48,424
Speaker 2: going to happen, be something with Cher and Josh.

694
00:29:48,624 --> 00:29:50,384
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a few different dynacs in the story where

695
00:29:50,424 --> 00:29:53,304
Speaker 3: things are interesting, and it's mostly really that whole thing

696
00:29:53,384 --> 00:29:55,904
Speaker 3: with Share and Josh and Ty that is like the

697
00:29:55,984 --> 00:29:59,224
Speaker 3: pivotal love story. Once she realized Christian is gay, fucking

698
00:29:59,304 --> 00:30:01,544
Speaker 3: love that character. Also, as a kid, I didn't understand

699
00:30:01,544 --> 00:30:03,544
Speaker 3: that he's model of Frank Sinatra.

700
00:30:03,584 --> 00:30:05,704
Speaker 1: Is it. Yeah, Oh my god, he is.

701
00:30:06,144 --> 00:30:07,744
Speaker 3: He just kind of comes into the room and does

702
00:30:07,784 --> 00:30:10,144
Speaker 3: this and like kind of like the flip of the

703
00:30:10,144 --> 00:30:11,824
Speaker 3: suit jacket and like the way he walked.

704
00:30:11,904 --> 00:30:15,104
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everything. Yeah, so that's his character is meant

705
00:30:15,144 --> 00:30:17,304
Speaker 1: to be like a freak sanch transplant.

706
00:30:17,544 --> 00:30:19,224
Speaker 2: And how he was like talking to Josh a lot

707
00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:19,704
Speaker 2: at the house.

708
00:30:19,744 --> 00:30:22,904
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just like come on, let's go. Yeah. Yeah,

709
00:30:23,024 --> 00:30:24,064
Speaker 1: oh my god, love it.

710
00:30:24,064 --> 00:30:25,544
Speaker 3: That is the best of the scene where they go

711
00:30:25,584 --> 00:30:27,624
Speaker 3: into the highway where she finds out Josh's gay. But

712
00:30:27,664 --> 00:30:30,064
Speaker 3: also that is just also a shout out to Donald

713
00:30:30,104 --> 00:30:34,224
Speaker 3: Fason as Murray because he is so good breakout.

714
00:30:33,824 --> 00:30:36,304
Speaker 2: And like his character after that, like in Scrubs, Like

715
00:30:36,344 --> 00:30:38,504
Speaker 2: I just feel like he just made it like his

716
00:30:38,544 --> 00:30:41,144
Speaker 2: whole career. He's just so so funny. By that highway

717
00:30:41,264 --> 00:30:45,104
Speaker 2: scene where they're just like screaming and screeching like down

718
00:30:45,184 --> 00:30:46,504
Speaker 2: the highway and all the cars.

719
00:30:47,984 --> 00:30:51,104
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, everyone's movie relates to real life,

720
00:30:51,144 --> 00:30:53,224
Speaker 3: Like I feel like everything has happened in this movie

721
00:30:53,584 --> 00:30:55,704
Speaker 3: is somehow you either use the lingo relates to it

722
00:30:55,704 --> 00:30:57,624
Speaker 3: because that was me the first time I arrived in Sydney,

723
00:30:57,824 --> 00:30:59,744
Speaker 3: I got lost in my car. I've been driving all

724
00:30:59,864 --> 00:31:02,304
Speaker 3: night to get from Brisbane to Sydney. I arrived in Senior,

725
00:31:02,344 --> 00:31:04,464
Speaker 3: accidentally got onto the Harbor Bridge and I couldn't be

726
00:31:04,464 --> 00:31:06,544
Speaker 3: going with the harbor Bridge is Dion going on the highway.

727
00:31:06,904 --> 00:31:09,144
Speaker 3: I was screaming in my car. But that's also where

728
00:31:09,184 --> 00:31:11,344
Speaker 3: we find out that Christian's a cake boy. He's a

729
00:31:11,344 --> 00:31:14,384
Speaker 3: friend of Dorothy I get as a kid.

730
00:31:15,824 --> 00:31:18,464
Speaker 1: It's so fucking funny, and I wish d three hours.

731
00:31:18,504 --> 00:31:19,824
Speaker 1: I wanted to do like a whole podcast.

732
00:31:19,864 --> 00:31:22,824
Speaker 2: I wish character we should pitch to Mama Maya. Yeah,

733
00:31:23,104 --> 00:31:25,584
Speaker 2: brutally on his review, but it's like us actually watching

734
00:31:25,584 --> 00:31:26,664
Speaker 2: it and then pausing it and.

735
00:31:26,584 --> 00:31:29,504
Speaker 1: Then and it's a five hour podcast.

736
00:31:30,024 --> 00:31:30,664
Speaker 2: How love that?

737
00:31:30,784 --> 00:31:32,744
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just saying, I feel like they'd.

738
00:31:32,584 --> 00:31:34,584
Speaker 2: Be on board. Yeah, if you spend a whole day

739
00:31:34,584 --> 00:31:37,184
Speaker 2: and a half doing the views.

740
00:31:36,944 --> 00:31:37,864
Speaker 1: Will be there. Yeah.

741
00:31:37,864 --> 00:31:39,664
Speaker 3: I feel like so as Ti, we kind of see

742
00:31:39,664 --> 00:31:42,384
Speaker 3: that she kind of lets this popular new level that

743
00:31:42,464 --> 00:31:43,464
Speaker 3: she's in go to her head.

744
00:31:43,464 --> 00:31:44,184
Speaker 1: It's kind of interesting.

745
00:31:44,224 --> 00:31:47,024
Speaker 3: It's that classic story of it's almost like a Frankenstein

746
00:31:47,144 --> 00:31:50,344
Speaker 3: story of your own creation becomes too powerful and turns

747
00:31:50,384 --> 00:31:54,064
Speaker 3: against you. It's like a Frankenstein story or like My

748
00:31:54,144 --> 00:31:56,624
Speaker 3: Fair Lady, or even like ex Markner or something where

749
00:31:56,864 --> 00:31:58,184
Speaker 3: you or Splice.

750
00:31:57,864 --> 00:32:00,024
Speaker 1: Or something like. It's very sci fi ESQ.

751
00:31:59,944 --> 00:32:03,784
Speaker 3: Getaway storytelling of you create this being to be this

752
00:32:03,904 --> 00:32:06,944
Speaker 3: idolized thing, and then they become too powerful and then

753
00:32:06,984 --> 00:32:10,984
Speaker 3: they overthrow you to an extent. And so it's when

754
00:32:11,424 --> 00:32:15,504
Speaker 3: Cher realizes that Tie has feelings for Josh that really

755
00:32:15,544 --> 00:32:18,304
Speaker 3: sets her off, which leads to the iconic line.

756
00:32:18,344 --> 00:32:22,424
Speaker 2: You're a virgin who can't drive still the ultimate burn.

757
00:32:22,544 --> 00:32:25,024
Speaker 2: And I think also that's where you first see Share

758
00:32:25,184 --> 00:32:28,184
Speaker 2: like suddenly get pulled out of her positive butterflies and

759
00:32:28,264 --> 00:32:31,264
Speaker 2: rainbows like facad that she's had on, because then she

760
00:32:31,384 --> 00:32:35,624
Speaker 2: just immediately her face drops and she was like way harsh, Tie, Yeah,

761
00:32:35,704 --> 00:32:36,064
Speaker 2: that was we.

762
00:32:36,184 --> 00:32:40,264
Speaker 1: Harsh Tie, and like he's a poor shart dropped.

763
00:32:40,264 --> 00:32:41,704
Speaker 2: I was like, You're meant to be like the fun,

764
00:32:41,704 --> 00:32:43,664
Speaker 2: happy girl and now you're a sad girl.

765
00:32:43,744 --> 00:32:46,144
Speaker 3: I think that's the beauty of this movie not being

766
00:32:46,264 --> 00:32:47,824
Speaker 3: like a kind of it could have just been like

767
00:32:47,824 --> 00:32:50,064
Speaker 3: a frivolous like high school story, but it's got so

768
00:32:50,144 --> 00:32:52,864
Speaker 3: much heart behind it because you just see like how

769
00:32:52,984 --> 00:32:55,744
Speaker 3: broken Share is it that of having her friends say

770
00:32:55,744 --> 00:32:57,944
Speaker 3: that to her as a fun fact too. Brittany Murphy

771
00:32:58,224 --> 00:32:59,944
Speaker 3: at the time was a virgin who couldn't drive.

772
00:33:00,064 --> 00:33:00,944
Speaker 1: She a license and.

773
00:33:01,744 --> 00:33:06,744
Speaker 2: Are we all as as a twenty nine year old virgin,

774
00:33:06,784 --> 00:33:08,504
Speaker 2: you can't drive, so yeah.

775
00:33:08,344 --> 00:33:09,904
Speaker 1: She said. At the time, Brittany Murphy was like, as

776
00:33:09,944 --> 00:33:11,944
Speaker 1: I was saying it, she was like, Oh, this is

777
00:33:11,944 --> 00:33:13,264
Speaker 1: me and it's meant to be the worst thing you

778
00:33:13,304 --> 00:33:15,704
Speaker 1: can say to someone.

779
00:33:15,864 --> 00:33:18,664
Speaker 2: She's also like seventeen at the time, so these are

780
00:33:18,704 --> 00:33:21,904
Speaker 2: like these defining moments in her like childhood, are like

781
00:33:21,944 --> 00:33:24,184
Speaker 2: literally gonna live with her for the rest of the life.

782
00:33:24,384 --> 00:33:26,504
Speaker 2: She's like, it's just really the best of something I

783
00:33:26,584 --> 00:33:28,784
Speaker 2: can give her. And they're like, yeah, it's the worst

784
00:33:28,784 --> 00:33:30,864
Speaker 2: thing that can ever happen, something that could and she's

785
00:33:30,904 --> 00:33:33,304
Speaker 2: like really and they're like, yeah, say it. Say it's

786
00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,384
Speaker 2: like literally the worst thing you could say to a woman.

787
00:33:35,304 --> 00:33:37,184
Speaker 1: Exactly, just the worst.

788
00:33:37,224 --> 00:33:39,384
Speaker 3: And then she said she's like, anyway, I'm OUTI which

789
00:33:39,384 --> 00:33:40,544
Speaker 3: is a word that still gets used.

790
00:33:42,304 --> 00:33:50,184
Speaker 1: I don't care what my teacher said. I'm gone. See.

791
00:33:50,864 --> 00:33:53,464
Speaker 3: As we go along, then we have that moment to

792
00:33:53,544 --> 00:33:56,224
Speaker 3: build up at the end where you see chare like

793
00:33:56,504 --> 00:33:59,104
Speaker 3: she's got her inn onelog going and she's walking through

794
00:33:59,104 --> 00:34:01,544
Speaker 3: the streets of Beverly Hills and shops spine outfit, which

795
00:34:01,544 --> 00:34:02,704
Speaker 3: is important, and.

796
00:34:02,664 --> 00:34:05,224
Speaker 1: Then she was like, Josh, why does she want him?

797
00:34:05,224 --> 00:34:07,664
Speaker 1: He's just a slug who lies around the house or

798
00:34:07,784 --> 00:34:10,304
Speaker 1: day he can't dance. And then it cuts that scene

799
00:34:10,424 --> 00:34:12,824
Speaker 1: of Paul running the car and she's like, he's kind

800
00:34:12,864 --> 00:34:15,104
Speaker 1: of a Baldwin, which we're to think that that's an

801
00:34:15,144 --> 00:34:18,704
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin, Stephen and Adam Baldwin because the Baldwin brothers

802
00:34:18,704 --> 00:34:21,224
Speaker 1: were the hot things of the time, so.

803
00:34:21,304 --> 00:34:22,864
Speaker 2: Like what were they doing though when.

804
00:34:22,784 --> 00:34:26,504
Speaker 3: They were actors, like the Baldwin brothers Sea of hot.

805
00:34:27,184 --> 00:34:29,184
Speaker 3: I know you look at Alec Baldwin and Stephen Balwan

806
00:34:29,224 --> 00:34:31,104
Speaker 3: Adam Baldwin now and think that, but like this is

807
00:34:31,144 --> 00:34:31,864
Speaker 3: thirty years.

808
00:34:31,664 --> 00:34:33,944
Speaker 2: Now, because when I see them, I think all I

809
00:34:33,944 --> 00:34:35,904
Speaker 2: think of is like SML you know what I mean,

810
00:34:36,104 --> 00:34:37,544
Speaker 2: Like I miss that whole Like.

811
00:34:37,704 --> 00:34:39,784
Speaker 3: You know, so when you say someone's kind of a

812
00:34:39,784 --> 00:34:41,704
Speaker 3: bald woman, it's the opposite of a Barney. A Barney

813
00:34:41,744 --> 00:34:44,864
Speaker 3: rubble is an ugly looking guy, and in the Clueless universe,

814
00:34:44,864 --> 00:34:46,384
Speaker 3: a bald one is a super hot guy.

815
00:34:46,624 --> 00:34:49,984
Speaker 2: Wow, Yeah, that is like great claim for them.

816
00:34:50,144 --> 00:34:52,184
Speaker 1: I know I've been running that.

817
00:34:52,224 --> 00:34:53,504
Speaker 2: High for the rest of their lives.

818
00:34:53,504 --> 00:34:55,744
Speaker 3: I know. So sometimes when I look at Ilaria Baldwin,

819
00:34:55,864 --> 00:34:57,664
Speaker 3: I actually think, did she just watch Clueless?

820
00:34:57,744 --> 00:35:01,064
Speaker 1: Yeah, with her whole beturning to be Spanish, just.

821
00:35:01,064 --> 00:35:02,544
Speaker 2: Like Hailey changed her last name.

822
00:35:02,704 --> 00:35:06,264
Speaker 3: I know a company. She should be both ball like Bourby's

823
00:35:06,304 --> 00:35:08,104
Speaker 3: and Clueless. It's so much better.

824
00:35:08,584 --> 00:35:09,384
Speaker 1: So she's walking through.

825
00:35:09,264 --> 00:35:11,504
Speaker 3: The streets and then she was like and then she's like, oh,

826
00:35:11,544 --> 00:35:13,304
Speaker 3: he's kind of a bullwd and then she's all of

827
00:35:13,344 --> 00:35:15,624
Speaker 3: a sudden and this is my most iconic shots in cinema,

828
00:35:15,704 --> 00:35:18,744
Speaker 3: where she's walking along and then she goes, oh my god,

829
00:35:19,184 --> 00:35:22,984
Speaker 3: I love Josh and the fountain lights up behind her,

830
00:35:23,344 --> 00:35:25,744
Speaker 3: and can I tell you I've been to that fountain.

831
00:35:26,344 --> 00:35:28,304
Speaker 1: It was my first the first time I went to her.

832
00:35:28,784 --> 00:35:31,224
Speaker 2: Oh, we have to find those photos. It's in Beverly Hills,

833
00:35:32,184 --> 00:35:33,424
Speaker 2: Flora's share me.

834
00:35:33,544 --> 00:35:36,864
Speaker 1: I sorry myself into the fountain crying. I'm it's like,

835
00:35:36,944 --> 00:35:40,704
Speaker 1: I love Josh too, Josh. It's so yeah. It is

836
00:35:40,784 --> 00:35:42,704
Speaker 1: really cute of how she has that moment if she

837
00:35:42,784 --> 00:35:45,704
Speaker 1: loves Josh and she's like, I'm completely in love with Josh.

838
00:35:45,744 --> 00:35:47,904
Speaker 1: But then we don't have that kind of quick payoff

839
00:35:47,984 --> 00:35:50,784
Speaker 1: because then we have that awkward kind of build up

840
00:35:50,784 --> 00:35:51,784
Speaker 1: into their first kiss.

841
00:35:51,904 --> 00:35:56,344
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, okay, the first kiss. I was

842
00:35:56,384 --> 00:35:59,784
Speaker 2: like watching this as a teenager, I was literally the

843
00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:02,624
Speaker 2: minute she says I love Josh, I thought I'd have

844
00:36:02,784 --> 00:36:05,344
Speaker 2: like this big moment going yes, you do you do?

845
00:36:05,944 --> 00:36:08,784
Speaker 2: But as a teenager, I was like, do you.

846
00:36:08,464 --> 00:36:09,104
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.

847
00:36:09,224 --> 00:36:13,104
Speaker 3: It's actually white the incredible plot twist because it's so

848
00:36:13,344 --> 00:36:16,944
Speaker 3: perfectly done. It's like such a slow burn, and again

849
00:36:17,344 --> 00:36:19,664
Speaker 3: he's like this annoying guy who thinks that she is.

850
00:36:19,784 --> 00:36:22,184
Speaker 3: Kind of the thing is he never actually thinks she's done,

851
00:36:22,224 --> 00:36:23,904
Speaker 3: which I think is to his credit. They kind of

852
00:36:23,984 --> 00:36:26,584
Speaker 3: do build up their relationship in a really interesting way.

853
00:36:26,584 --> 00:36:28,984
Speaker 3: It's such a slow burn. It's such a slow build.

854
00:36:29,024 --> 00:36:31,984
Speaker 3: It's so carefully peppered throughout the script that in that

855
00:36:32,104 --> 00:36:35,304
Speaker 3: moment where she has that realization of I love Josh

856
00:36:35,304 --> 00:36:37,704
Speaker 3: and the fountain lines up, you as the viewer are

857
00:36:37,744 --> 00:36:40,864
Speaker 3: perfectly sync to have that realization with her, and that

858
00:36:40,984 --> 00:36:43,904
Speaker 3: is nearly impossible at a movie to do, to have

859
00:36:43,984 --> 00:36:47,904
Speaker 3: the character and the audience realize something so perfectly at

860
00:36:47,944 --> 00:36:52,624
Speaker 3: the same time. Yeah, it's working on levels we can't

861
00:36:52,624 --> 00:36:53,384
Speaker 3: even understand.

862
00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:56,184
Speaker 2: And I think also by having that storyline of they

863
00:36:56,224 --> 00:37:00,104
Speaker 2: are like extepsibly, Yeah, it's always as a like a

864
00:37:00,184 --> 00:37:03,144
Speaker 2: caveat of like, oh, that will never be a romantic thing.

865
00:37:03,224 --> 00:37:04,664
Speaker 2: So you're always in the back of your head saying, no,

866
00:37:04,704 --> 00:37:05,784
Speaker 2: this is not actually.

867
00:37:06,224 --> 00:37:10,104
Speaker 1: Even though they're really not. I think it's fine. Yeah,

868
00:37:10,104 --> 00:37:12,064
Speaker 1: and even set silings that even live together that.

869
00:37:12,064 --> 00:37:14,184
Speaker 2: Lot no, no, no, So he just does like the accounts.

870
00:37:14,464 --> 00:37:15,744
Speaker 1: Yeah.

871
00:37:15,904 --> 00:37:17,584
Speaker 3: So then we have the thing where they're like having

872
00:37:17,584 --> 00:37:20,144
Speaker 3: a little flirt at the table share accidentally marks the

873
00:37:20,184 --> 00:37:24,104
Speaker 3: wrong calls in the files. A lawyer that means her

874
00:37:24,104 --> 00:37:26,344
Speaker 3: father's associate yells at her, which I feel like, I

875
00:37:26,384 --> 00:37:28,104
Speaker 3: feel like, hopefully that guy got fired the next day.

876
00:37:28,184 --> 00:37:30,424
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know your place, Yeah, your place, sir.

877
00:37:30,824 --> 00:37:36,464
Speaker 1: The real villain of this movie, the paralegal at the

878
00:37:36,544 --> 00:37:38,864
Speaker 1: table at the dad's dinner table.

879
00:37:40,104 --> 00:37:42,384
Speaker 3: So then we have just a beautifully framed shot of

880
00:37:42,824 --> 00:37:45,984
Speaker 3: Josh and Chaer sitting on the stairs on that beautiful

881
00:37:46,024 --> 00:37:49,464
Speaker 3: curve staircase with the two entrances, and you had that

882
00:37:49,544 --> 00:37:51,744
Speaker 3: build up where he's talking to to trying to make

883
00:37:51,744 --> 00:37:53,504
Speaker 3: her feel better, and it's a moment two where it's

884
00:37:53,544 --> 00:37:55,184
Speaker 3: like you kind of do believe they're going to be

885
00:37:55,224 --> 00:37:57,464
Speaker 3: together forever. He's not just in love with her because

886
00:37:57,464 --> 00:37:59,864
Speaker 3: she thinks she's pretty. He's like in love with who

887
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,384
Speaker 3: she is in that moment, and that's what she realizes.

888
00:38:03,464 --> 00:38:06,624
Speaker 3: And I'm going to say that kiss where she's like,

889
00:38:06,664 --> 00:38:09,024
Speaker 3: you think I'm beautiful and he's like, you know you're gorgeous?

890
00:38:09,064 --> 00:38:11,424
Speaker 3: Could you ever care about me? Thing? And then that

891
00:38:11,544 --> 00:38:14,664
Speaker 3: kiss Top five Hollywood Kisses Me where he leans right over,

892
00:38:14,744 --> 00:38:17,624
Speaker 3: grabs her and pulls her hair like gently, and like

893
00:38:17,664 --> 00:38:19,184
Speaker 3: how they had that passionate kiss.

894
00:38:19,224 --> 00:38:22,624
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hot. It's really hot, so hot watching this

895
00:38:22,944 --> 00:38:25,864
Speaker 2: like over and over again as a teenagers, just like it.

896
00:38:25,824 --> 00:38:29,344
Speaker 3: Is the ultimate movie kiss, Like the chemistry is off

897
00:38:29,384 --> 00:38:31,624
Speaker 3: the charts and it's so funny. That clip is like,

898
00:38:31,704 --> 00:38:33,424
Speaker 3: I'm sure you can guess what happened next, and it

899
00:38:33,424 --> 00:38:34,224
Speaker 3: cuts to a wedding.

900
00:38:34,344 --> 00:38:35,584
Speaker 2: Yeah, the teacher's wedding.

901
00:38:35,704 --> 00:38:39,504
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again but she put together Yeah again. I

902
00:38:39,544 --> 00:38:41,584
Speaker 3: wish we could have talked about the teacher because also

903
00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:44,344
Speaker 3: Wallace Sean, who plays so good. I know, it's so

904
00:38:44,384 --> 00:38:47,984
Speaker 3: funny because he's such a renowned, critically acclaimed actor and

905
00:38:48,024 --> 00:38:51,304
Speaker 3: writer and stage actor. And he's like, people just come't

906
00:38:51,344 --> 00:38:53,544
Speaker 3: to me all the time, being like I Loved You

907
00:38:53,584 --> 00:38:55,624
Speaker 3: and Clueless and The Princess Bride, and I was.

908
00:38:56,544 --> 00:39:02,184
Speaker 2: Like, I love you and gossip Girl. It's great. But like, yeah,

909
00:39:02,184 --> 00:39:03,744
Speaker 2: a big pop point that we didn't get to cover

910
00:39:03,864 --> 00:39:06,264
Speaker 2: much was like Shares, Like big thing is like she's

911
00:39:06,304 --> 00:39:08,504
Speaker 2: a really good matchmaker. Yeah, and she was doing really

912
00:39:08,544 --> 00:39:10,984
Speaker 2: bad in school, so she put her teachers together to

913
00:39:11,104 --> 00:39:13,024
Speaker 2: kind of like convince them to give her better grade,

914
00:39:13,104 --> 00:39:14,944
Speaker 2: which is also what her dad is really proud of

915
00:39:14,944 --> 00:39:17,344
Speaker 2: her for for being able to like talk away into

916
00:39:17,344 --> 00:39:20,704
Speaker 2: better grades. Share, what's this all about? The poor card?

917
00:39:21,424 --> 00:39:22,184
Speaker 2: The same semester?

918
00:39:22,984 --> 00:39:24,024
Speaker 1: Uh huh?

919
00:39:24,104 --> 00:39:26,104
Speaker 2: What do you do have turned in some extra credit reports?

920
00:39:26,784 --> 00:39:27,984
Speaker 2: Did you take the mid terms over?

921
00:39:29,224 --> 00:39:31,824
Speaker 4: You mean to tell me that you argued your way

922
00:39:31,904 --> 00:39:34,824
Speaker 4: from a C plus to an anus.

923
00:39:34,704 --> 00:39:38,104
Speaker 1: Totally based on my powers of persuasion? You proud, honey.

924
00:39:38,184 --> 00:39:40,624
Speaker 4: I couldn't be happier than if they were based on

925
00:39:40,704 --> 00:39:41,464
Speaker 4: real grades.

926
00:39:43,384 --> 00:39:44,984
Speaker 2: But they actually did fall in love and they had

927
00:39:44,984 --> 00:39:45,904
Speaker 2: the wedding at the m.

928
00:39:46,224 --> 00:39:48,144
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they get married at the end. And again,

929
00:39:48,304 --> 00:39:53,544
Speaker 3: also Wallace, is she like for her teachers Okay, well

930
00:39:53,584 --> 00:39:56,464
Speaker 3: she got them together. And again, so much of Wallace Shawn.

931
00:39:56,504 --> 00:39:58,304
Speaker 3: He has so much good dialogue as mister Hall and

932
00:39:58,344 --> 00:40:00,864
Speaker 3: miss and he's also the one who facilitates one of

933
00:40:00,944 --> 00:40:02,704
Speaker 3: the most iconic scenes, which we do really a time

934
00:40:02,704 --> 00:40:05,704
Speaker 3: onto touch, where they had the debate where she accidentally

935
00:40:05,784 --> 00:40:09,104
Speaker 3: says sharing her speech before she delivers the iconic it

936
00:40:09,144 --> 00:40:13,384
Speaker 3: does not say aris on the Statue of Liberty, where

937
00:40:13,384 --> 00:40:17,264
Speaker 3: she accidentally says Haitians And she said that. So Alicia

938
00:40:17,304 --> 00:40:19,384
Speaker 3: Silverstone didn't know how to pronounce that world, which is fine,

939
00:40:19,384 --> 00:40:20,744
Speaker 3: which is fine. She was a young girl at the time.

940
00:40:20,784 --> 00:40:23,784
Speaker 3: She didn't know, and so she said that and everyone

941
00:40:23,944 --> 00:40:26,704
Speaker 3: went to jump in and correct her, and Amy Heckling's like,

942
00:40:26,984 --> 00:40:29,064
Speaker 3: don't don't know when say anything to her.

943
00:40:29,264 --> 00:40:31,584
Speaker 1: We're keeping it in the movie. So she's like, Chare

944
00:40:31,624 --> 00:40:33,144
Speaker 1: would probably say that word wrong too.

945
00:40:33,784 --> 00:40:34,784
Speaker 2: Oh, that's so cute.

946
00:40:34,864 --> 00:40:36,624
Speaker 3: So we cut to the wedding, which is funny because

947
00:40:36,624 --> 00:40:38,784
Speaker 3: that's how the studio want of the movie tend. First

948
00:40:38,824 --> 00:40:40,384
Speaker 3: of all, they were like, oh, we kind of incests,

949
00:40:40,384 --> 00:40:42,144
Speaker 3: and then they're like, but if we do keep the

950
00:40:42,304 --> 00:40:44,984
Speaker 3: step sibling incest or what if they get married, and

951
00:40:45,064 --> 00:40:47,784
Speaker 3: Amy Heckling was like no, and that's why there's that

952
00:40:47,824 --> 00:40:51,264
Speaker 3: thing of as if Yeah, I'm only seventeen, this is

953
00:40:51,304 --> 00:40:56,584
Speaker 3: not Kentucky. So then we have the wedding scene. So

954
00:40:56,624 --> 00:40:58,664
Speaker 3: they could have the wedding that people wanted, it just

955
00:40:58,664 --> 00:41:01,304
Speaker 3: wouldn't be Share and Josh's wedding because that's crazy. So

956
00:41:01,384 --> 00:41:04,024
Speaker 3: we have misguys. And I should say that actress is

957
00:41:04,064 --> 00:41:07,984
Speaker 3: called Twink Kaplan. Oh, her name is Twink. She's really

958
00:41:08,024 --> 00:41:10,224
Speaker 3: good friends with Amy Heckling. She's also a producer on

959
00:41:10,264 --> 00:41:12,424
Speaker 3: the movie, and they've done many movies together since, so

960
00:41:12,704 --> 00:41:13,624
Speaker 3: they're two besties.

961
00:41:14,104 --> 00:41:16,864
Speaker 1: The wedding dress she's wearing is so kind.

962
00:41:16,624 --> 00:41:20,104
Speaker 3: Of opulently created, and the bodice is so tight that

963
00:41:20,224 --> 00:41:22,944
Speaker 3: she couldn't sit down the whole day of filming. They

964
00:41:22,984 --> 00:41:25,624
Speaker 3: had to get one of those old fashioned standing boards

965
00:41:25,624 --> 00:41:27,584
Speaker 3: for her that like ladies back in the day would

966
00:41:27,624 --> 00:41:28,544
Speaker 3: have so she could lean.

967
00:41:28,624 --> 00:41:30,464
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So just like pretty much every bride.

968
00:41:30,664 --> 00:41:33,184
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, so everybody's ever gotten married.

969
00:41:33,264 --> 00:41:35,144
Speaker 2: That's why you never, if you really think about it,

970
00:41:35,144 --> 00:41:36,944
Speaker 2: have you ever seen a bride sit down? Oh?

971
00:41:37,064 --> 00:41:39,424
Speaker 1: No, never, in all my days have I seen a

972
00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:40,024
Speaker 1: bride sit down?

973
00:41:40,224 --> 00:41:40,864
Speaker 2: Always standing.

974
00:41:41,304 --> 00:41:43,544
Speaker 3: This is actually the last day of filming. So if

975
00:41:43,544 --> 00:41:46,264
Speaker 3: you kind of look around as they pan the camera around,

976
00:41:46,344 --> 00:41:49,264
Speaker 3: a lot of people look quite sad, and the boys

977
00:41:49,344 --> 00:41:52,664
Speaker 3: so bracking Maya Donald face and and Paul Rod hotties.

978
00:41:53,064 --> 00:41:55,744
Speaker 3: The three hotties get a giggle fit, and so they

979
00:41:55,784 --> 00:41:58,624
Speaker 3: couldn't finish filming. So there's a thing where Murray goes,

980
00:41:58,664 --> 00:42:01,304
Speaker 3: I'm bugging and Josh goes, I'm bugging myself.

981
00:42:01,744 --> 00:42:05,624
Speaker 1: So that wasn't That wasn't the script. That was just

982
00:42:05,664 --> 00:42:08,184
Speaker 1: Paul Rod kind of just talking, so trying to be

983
00:42:08,264 --> 00:42:11,464
Speaker 1: cool with the kids. He was a kid too, but

984
00:42:11,544 --> 00:42:12,104
Speaker 1: he had died.

985
00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:14,744
Speaker 2: It was just always fifty in my head.

986
00:42:14,904 --> 00:42:18,024
Speaker 1: He's fifty forever fifty year old with the face of

987
00:42:18,064 --> 00:42:18,784
Speaker 1: a twenty year old.

988
00:42:18,984 --> 00:42:21,144
Speaker 3: And so you can see in the movie that they

989
00:42:21,224 --> 00:42:25,464
Speaker 3: all just start cracking up, laughing, and that's what really happened.

990
00:42:25,464 --> 00:42:26,584
Speaker 3: And they kept saying.

991
00:42:26,344 --> 00:42:27,784
Speaker 1: Like, we've got to get the shot, guys, like that

992
00:42:27,864 --> 00:42:29,984
Speaker 1: wasn't the dialogue. We've got to get the shot.

993
00:42:30,064 --> 00:42:31,744
Speaker 3: And then after all Amy's like, just let them go,

994
00:42:31,864 --> 00:42:33,464
Speaker 3: like it's O fine, and so they film that the

995
00:42:33,504 --> 00:42:34,704
Speaker 3: sun went down and it was over.

996
00:42:35,264 --> 00:42:38,224
Speaker 2: So I think this is probably for the production where

997
00:42:38,264 --> 00:42:42,024
Speaker 2: you get another to share Josh getting married, because like

998
00:42:42,064 --> 00:42:44,704
Speaker 2: the bouquet gets tossed and Share catches there and Josh

999
00:42:44,784 --> 00:42:46,704
Speaker 2: kisses her, and I think that was like a little

1000
00:42:46,744 --> 00:42:47,624
Speaker 2: tick box for them.

1001
00:42:47,784 --> 00:42:48,464
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

1002
00:42:48,584 --> 00:42:50,304
Speaker 2: You get like we made you happy there. They will

1003
00:42:50,304 --> 00:42:53,824
Speaker 2: get married eventually, and I feel like they did. They did,

1004
00:42:54,144 --> 00:42:54,584
Speaker 2: you think so?

1005
00:42:54,824 --> 00:42:56,784
Speaker 3: I feel like they did get married. Oh my god,

1006
00:42:56,944 --> 00:42:58,664
Speaker 3: I'm so glad we never saw that. I know, people

1007
00:42:58,664 --> 00:42:59,464
Speaker 3: get well the worst.

1008
00:42:59,304 --> 00:43:01,384
Speaker 2: Clueless the TV show after that they were.

1009
00:43:01,784 --> 00:43:04,344
Speaker 3: I know some people loved the Clueless TV Show. I

1010
00:43:04,384 --> 00:43:06,704
Speaker 3: personally didn't. I find it interesting that pretty much the

1011
00:43:06,744 --> 00:43:10,024
Speaker 3: whole cast except Alicia's Silverstone went into.

1012
00:43:09,784 --> 00:43:12,424
Speaker 1: The TV show. If that's what you loved, that's fine,

1013
00:43:12,424 --> 00:43:13,024
Speaker 1: but it wasn't me.

1014
00:43:13,384 --> 00:43:15,344
Speaker 3: And I feel like they're getting so pressured to make

1015
00:43:15,784 --> 00:43:18,744
Speaker 3: Clueless too, And I just I feel we're in this

1016
00:43:18,864 --> 00:43:21,624
Speaker 3: dangerous time now of reboots where that could actually happen,

1017
00:43:21,824 --> 00:43:22,784
Speaker 3: and I really hope they don't.

1018
00:43:22,824 --> 00:43:25,304
Speaker 1: It's a perfect movie. Let it be worried.

1019
00:43:25,384 --> 00:43:27,664
Speaker 2: Some of them aren't even in the industry anymore.

1020
00:43:27,744 --> 00:43:28,824
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know.

1021
00:43:28,984 --> 00:43:31,704
Speaker 3: Stacey Dashy plays Dion, who is incredible in the movie.

1022
00:43:31,784 --> 00:43:33,784
Speaker 3: She's also the only one who brought she twenty seven

1023
00:43:33,824 --> 00:43:35,744
Speaker 3: with a six year old child, but she was just

1024
00:43:35,784 --> 00:43:36,144
Speaker 3: so good.

1025
00:43:36,144 --> 00:43:36,624
Speaker 1: They can't it.

1026
00:43:36,744 --> 00:43:39,904
Speaker 2: Isn't she like a politician, she's conservative.

1027
00:43:40,064 --> 00:43:42,344
Speaker 1: Wild, we problemic, but this is what I mean. We

1028
00:43:42,424 --> 00:43:42,744
Speaker 1: just can't.

1029
00:43:42,784 --> 00:43:46,064
Speaker 2: Sometimes we have to just leave it just live time.

1030
00:43:46,584 --> 00:43:50,144
Speaker 2: But Clueless such a good movie thirty years.

1031
00:43:49,984 --> 00:43:52,664
Speaker 1: On and still a perfect perfect.

1032
00:43:52,424 --> 00:43:54,984
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to go rewatch it. As we mentioned before

1033
00:43:54,984 --> 00:43:56,864
Speaker 2: in the beginning, obviously spoilers of.

1034
00:43:56,904 --> 00:44:00,384
Speaker 1: This episode, Butlers.

1035
00:43:59,624 --> 00:44:03,024
Speaker 2: Surely watched Clueless by now you're thirty years to watch

1036
00:44:03,024 --> 00:44:03,744
Speaker 2: it the first time.

1037
00:44:03,744 --> 00:44:05,704
Speaker 1: Ever, we didn't say spoilers at the time, which is

1038
00:44:05,784 --> 00:44:08,144
Speaker 1: like she had thirty years. Yeah, so that's on you.

1039
00:44:08,304 --> 00:44:10,544
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever met someone who hasn't watched Clueless. No,

1040
00:44:10,664 --> 00:44:11,744
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think I have.

1041
00:44:12,224 --> 00:44:14,304
Speaker 2: I haven't either. We'll have to find them and then

1042
00:44:14,584 --> 00:44:15,864
Speaker 2: I don't sit them down.

1043
00:44:15,904 --> 00:44:16,464
Speaker 1: I don't teach them.

1044
00:44:17,064 --> 00:44:19,064
Speaker 2: We'll play our breadley honest review first and then I

1045
00:44:19,104 --> 00:44:19,944
Speaker 2: can watch it after.

1046
00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:21,624
Speaker 1: So I don't want anyone with my life who hasn't

1047
00:44:21,624 --> 00:44:24,504
Speaker 1: watched Cluelers. That's a deal break, guys. That's Rugan's favorite movie.

1048
00:44:24,744 --> 00:44:28,784
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1049
00:44:27,904 --> 00:44:30,864
Speaker 3: So that is our brutally honest review of Clueless thirty

1050
00:44:30,944 --> 00:44:31,744
Speaker 3: years late, but.

1051
00:44:32,104 --> 00:44:35,304
Speaker 2: We've done it. We love doing our brutally honest reviews.

1052
00:44:35,304 --> 00:44:38,144
Speaker 2: We've done a whole bunch of them, so if you

1053
00:44:38,184 --> 00:44:40,024
Speaker 2: haven't caught up, please go up in our feed to

1054
00:44:40,064 --> 00:44:41,544
Speaker 2: find them. We'll put a link to a bunch of

1055
00:44:41,584 --> 00:44:43,704
Speaker 2: them in our show notes. But thanks so much for

1056
00:44:43,784 --> 00:44:46,304
Speaker 2: listening to this episode of This Spill. The Spill is

1057
00:44:46,304 --> 00:44:49,104
Speaker 2: produced by Minitius Wine with sound production by Scott Stronik,

1058
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Speaker 2: and we'll be back here on your podcast feed at

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Speaker 2: three pm on Monday. Bye Bye,