1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I'll get a cook I'll get a Harps. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: How are you going very good? 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Thanks? 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: As the fledgling as fucking hell. Every time I open 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: up Facebook or LinkedIn or That's or fucking Instagram, Tip's 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: got a new a new thing, which usually lasts somewhere 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: between three hours and three weeks. So at the moment 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: she's taken up at the ripe young age of forty two, 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: she's taken up piano corrections. 10 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 3: One is forty two yet, so settle down. May may 11 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: the first when you're ready to bumb in my present. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 3: That's when I turned forty two. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: And secondly, the. 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: Last, the last thing lasted a good decade. Boxing I 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: stuck out for more than three hours or three weeks. 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: That definitely was not the last thing. 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 3: Well, you've got to be telling Harps, you've got to 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: you've got to give things to go. You just never 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: know what's going to grab you. 20 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: You know what, I remember when you were going to 21 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 2: be the next rembrant. For about eight minutes, you started 22 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: sketching sixteen hours a day. That's right, You're like, look 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 2: at me, look at me. I'm an artist. I'm an artist. 24 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: And then all this art's going up on social media. Everyone, 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: it's like you're talented, You're talented now not doing it anymore, and. 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: It's hard to get It's hard to get started because 27 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,759 Speaker 3: you finish, if you finish a sketch, and then there's 28 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 3: so much of the ship part of trying to draw 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: something until it starts to take shape. And I'm really 30 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 3: really shit at that part of the process. 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I also feel like you took up Brazilian jiu 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 2: jitsu for about eight minutes. 33 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, that was about eight minutes. That was two weeks, 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 3: two weeks for that. But I showed promise. 35 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: I showed real promise there. 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, good, yep, Yep, you owned a couple of 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: a couple of gyms for about a month and a half. Yep, 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: you go that that a good crack. 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: I learned good lessons there. I learned good lessons. You've 40 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 3: got things to figure out what doesn't work. That's master tree. 41 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: I always say that. It's I call it anti goal setting. 42 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you've got to do shit or to 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: figure out what you don't want in your life. Sometimes 44 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: when I'm talking to people, I do look like a 45 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: train driver today. 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 3: Don't I You just just don't get that hat right, 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 3: I'm just adjusting my hat everybody. 48 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: But I often when I'm talking to people who you know, 49 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 2: they like, they know that they're not where they want 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: to be, but they don't know where that actually is. 51 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: Clearly you know. It's In fact, had a really big 52 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: chat on Friday with somebody who's quite well known to 53 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: this podcast and quite well known in general, and it's 54 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 2: just obviously not going to mention to but yeah, just 55 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: trying to figure out like a few things have happened 56 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 2: in this person's life and just things are a bit blah. 57 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: But it's really hard when things are blah and you 58 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: don't know what the thing that you want is. It's 59 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: not like it's not like, oh look I've got to 60 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: roll up my sleeves and do all this work. It's like, 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: I don't even know what the fucking destination that I 62 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: want is. I don't know what. I just know it's 63 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 2: not here. So that's that place of not being where 64 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 2: you want to be in the moment, but also not 65 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: sure where you want to go. That's probably quite common. 66 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, definitely, I reckon it is, and I think 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: it is hard to get the answer of what we need, 68 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: and it comes down to trying new things like that 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 3: was a pretty spare of the moment decision to whip 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 3: out and buy it. 71 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: That was like that happened in a twelve hours yeard. 72 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: Tell people what you did. 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: So I watched well. 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: When I was in Tazzy, if I wind it back 75 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: when I when I was in Tazzy, I was thinking 76 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: to myself, I would like I would like a hobby 77 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: or an interest that is unrelated to fitness boxing. Boxing 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: really ticks a big box for me when I'm compared 79 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: and when I'm not. It doesn't have that sense of purpose. 80 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: And that's what I like about the idea of a 81 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 3: hobby or an interest that has a sense of purpose, 82 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 3: of challenge, of getting better, of a reason to push 83 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: through when things are difficult. 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: And I didn't know what that would look and feel like. 85 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: And what's even funnier is about a month ago I 86 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 3: got a new client and he said to me, I 87 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: could give you piano lessons if you want, randomly out 88 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: of nowhere. And I was like, really interested in learning 89 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 3: the piano. And then I watched this movie on Netflix 90 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: on Saturday night. I took Saturdays off. Now it's a 91 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 3: new thing. Watched a movie it was about a drummer 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: and this music teacher reminded me of my boxing coach, 93 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: who was quite brutal, probably a ramped up version. I'm 94 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 3: this guy was quite hard and abusive and rough. 95 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: But JK. Simmons, that old ball dude who's the Yeah, 96 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: he's a motherfucker And that isn't it? 97 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Great? I really And by the end of 98 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: the movie I was just loving it. 99 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: But and I guess because I saw my boxing coach 100 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: in that film, and then maybe it shifted my relationship 101 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 3: with the idea of learning music. 102 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: And so by the next day I was out. 103 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: I'd done a hard dive research into pianos and went 104 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 3: out and bought myself a digital piano and I'm playing it. 105 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: I'm playing that bad boy. I just played something like 106 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 3: what is It Someone You Love? By Lewis Capaldi. I 107 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 3: just learned that today, just saying. 108 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: But can you read music? 109 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: No? But I'm learning No, I cannot. 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: There's but you know what the great thing is, I've 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 3: gone out chat GPT had gave me the ability to 112 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 3: actually learn what I need in it in a piano 113 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 3: because I was like, I we'll just go by keyboard 114 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: for fifty bucks once I started asking questions in chat GBT, 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: I've got heaps of clarity about what's important, what do 116 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: I need, what should I look for? How much am 117 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,119 Speaker 3: I going to spend so I've got the right piece 118 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 3: of equipment. And then there's apps that teach you, you know, 119 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: how to you can play along with them and they 120 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: give you lessons, and so I'll learned to read music 121 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: along the way. And in the interim you can kind 122 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 3: of just google different songs that you can learn to play, 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 3: just so that you can play something that you don't 124 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 3: not just doing boring scales or trying to bang the 125 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 3: right key at the right time. It's really fun. I 126 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 3: wanted to, you know. And I also and punched into 127 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 3: chat GPT what are all the benefits, because this is 128 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 3: the stuff I'll fall back onto. How good it is 129 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 3: for your brain, how good it is for your mind creativity, 130 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 3: like your ability, So it's all those transferable skills. It's like, well, 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 3: I got frustrated and I decided to put work boundaries 132 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 3: in because I feel like my creativity is stifled because 133 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 3: I don't have time, and I'm you know, all of 134 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 3: that jazz and I'm well, well, now I can do 135 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 3: a hobby that cultivates creativity and that will come in 136 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 3: handy with what I do. 137 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: So it's all that cool stuff. 138 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing we're using I think it's the left 139 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 2: chemisphere of your brain as logic right as creative, so 140 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 2: you kind of and if you're not, I mean you're 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: pretty creative. I'm quite creative. I reckon I'm a bit 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: of an anomaly because I'm probably more creative than logical, 143 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: but maybe even Stephen. But I'm not really cut out 144 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: for academia, which is hilarious. But somebody's doing the shit 145 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 2: that I'm doing. But when you told me you were 146 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: doing that, I was thinking apart from the the fact 147 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: that you're learning music, which is I love music, I 148 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 2: mean I learned. I've still got three guitars. I've still 149 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: got a guitar that just sits at the end of 150 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: my bed in my bedroom, and I still pick it 151 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: up once a week and fuck around with it. But 152 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 2: I learned band. Yeah, I could fuck everyone's going to 153 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 2: to see you and me out of tune, just wailing 154 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: on like fucking cats. But there's something very for me anyway, 155 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: very therapeutic about like I learned guitar for about ten years, 156 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: and I'm still like I can play. I'm not a 157 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: brilliant guitarist, but I can pick up a guitar after 158 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: I cannot touch a guitar for two years and pick 159 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: up and play something reasonably well. But I'm never I 160 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: don't think I've ever even spoken about that on this show. 161 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: But there's something that happens to your nervous system and 162 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: your brain and depending on you know what kind of 163 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: music you're playing. You know, your heart rate and your 164 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: blood pressure and all that great shit, when when you 165 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: just get lost a little bit, and the more that 166 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 2: you play, the less you're using your mind, so to speak, 167 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: and the more it becomes just an autonomous process where 168 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, like you drive somewhere and you get this somewhere. 169 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: You get to somewhere and you can't remember turning on 170 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: indicators or pushing in the clutch or change or depending 171 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: on what kind of guy you drive, but like you 172 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: just get there without thinking too much because it's something 173 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 2: that you do naturally. And it's like that with music too. 174 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: You just get into that place without having to focus 175 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: on where do I put my fingers? Where do I 176 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: put my fingers next? How do I strum this, how 177 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: do I hold this string? Or how do I hit this? 178 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: You know this sharp key and this minor key on 179 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: the piano or whatever it is. You know, so what 180 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: how did you figure out what kind of So it's 181 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: an electric piano, so it's a keyboard on a stand 182 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: kind of right. 183 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's there's electric pianos or digital piano as 184 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: they call them, and you can. Basically what I was 185 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 3: looking for was an eighty eight key digital piano that 186 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: had weighted keys, which replicate a real piano. So key 187 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: A lot of keyboards will either have soft touch keys 188 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: and then playing it feels like a piano. 189 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And what I did you buy a new 190 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 2: did you buy a second hand wedge buy? How much 191 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: did it cost? I mean, these are the things everyone 192 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: wants to know. 193 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. 194 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: I did a little hunt on Marketplace. That's where I started. 195 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: So I started just looking at keyboards. I was like, sweet, 196 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: there's a fifty dollars keyboard up in Corfield. 197 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: I'll go grab that tomorrow. And then I started asking questions. 198 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: Then I just started doing comparisons on the types that 199 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 3: I found in Marketplace, asking chat GPT to give me comparison. 200 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 3: Does these great breakdowns giving me graphs and what's better 201 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: and why and who should buy this particular model. And 202 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 3: that's kind of where I landed with the research. And 203 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 3: then I found the one that I wanted, which was 204 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: a roll in FP ten. They're about five six hundred 205 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: dollars for one with a stand second hand, and I 206 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: just reached out to a bunch of people, basically the 207 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: first one that could say yes to me. I was 208 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 3: about to pick that bad boy up and is in 209 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: good Nick, It's in great Nick, It's in great what's 210 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: funny with piano? A lot of people seem to there 211 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 3: must be it must be a thing. I went to 212 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: pick it up and this chick had a garage full 213 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: of pianos, and one of the other guys I was 214 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: inquiring with I could tell that he had several pianos 215 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: listed as well. 216 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: So, yeah, it must be a. 217 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 3: Weird thing where they just don't buy and sell pianos 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: and make a fortune. 219 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, I wonder how, and so what do 220 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: they retail at those. 221 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 3: I think I've got lots of numbers in my head. 222 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: I think that you can. 223 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 3: Get a stand and like the package I got, which 224 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 3: was on a stand with a stool. Then you get 225 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 3: it for about just under a thousand, and what do 226 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: you pay it? And I paid six hundred. 227 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: Oh good, it's good. Good. Yeah, Well, we will be 228 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: the audience and I will be checking in in about 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: a month just to see how the musical. Of course 230 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: it'll be flourishing. You'll be cary dollars. 231 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: You might all be buying tickets to my concert by then. 232 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 2: No, you and Lewis Capaldi just doing a team effort, 233 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: a joint effort. 234 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: To contact him. How good is he? 235 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: I love him? And people don't know him. Yeah, he's 236 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: just like I'm sure a lot of our what but 237 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: some of our older audience might not know. But he 238 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: what's that? What's his mental issue? Like he suffers from 239 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 2: its direct and also like real anxiety and stuff. Yeah. 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: In fact, they've got a Netflix documentary on him that's 241 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: worth watched it. 242 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes like there's been a few times where 243 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: he kind of freezes or loses a bit on stage 244 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 2: and the audience sings for him and they loved him 245 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: so much. 246 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: It's so good that goosebumps thinking of that. 247 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: That was the most powerful that went viral, that clip 248 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: where he just kind of froze and forgot is what 249 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: I couldn't couldn't sing and the whole like millions of them, 250 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: well I don't know thousands of peace at least, just see. 251 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: Well thousands at that. And but how I mean, how 252 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: gifted is he? How great is his music? How great 253 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 2: it is? And how much of a natural is he? 254 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: Like like it goes to show you like his and 255 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 2: I mean with this full, I mean this with respect. 256 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: He's like almost the anti hero because he doesn't give 257 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 2: a fuck. Like there's no image, there's no makeup, there's 258 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: no you know how everybody's like manicured within an inch 259 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: of their life. Yeah, like just walking out t shirt pants, 260 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: just hanging out, talking shit, laughing. Yeah. So I love that. 261 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: Just a musical prodigy. 262 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: Isn't it good? 263 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 3: Now? How with you know the way Netflix and documentaries 264 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: and that have gone that we actually get access to 265 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 3: seeing the reality behind the scenes that everyone struggles and 266 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 3: some people didn't start on, you know, like Ed Sheeran, 267 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: how not talented he was to begin with, and you. 268 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: Just say, oh wow, yeah that might be me, Harps. 269 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Bro, I. 270 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: Could be you. You could be the latest fucking musical prodigy, 271 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: the latest blooming musical. No, I think prodigy is somebody 272 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: that's young. You Actually, well, no, what I mean is 273 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: generally when someone talks about a prodigy, a musical or 274 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: sporting prodigy, it's somebody that's very young. Now, I'm not 275 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 2: saying that you're not going to be, you know, the 276 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 2: next big thing. I'm fully expecting that you are good good, 277 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath. But at the same time, 278 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: ha ha, but you don't like that, I mean you. 279 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: You and I have spoken about this, maybe once on air, 280 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: but definitely a few times off. Fair Like, the thing 281 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 2: that I've I've always been I've wanted to do but 282 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: never been brave enough to do, is comedy, right because, 283 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: by the way, everyone, I don't think I'm fucking hilarious 284 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: at all, right, but I've been told many many times 285 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: by people, you should do some comedy because you're a 286 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: bit amusing, Right. And when I I do my gigs, 287 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: when I do workshops or keynotes, you know, you're literally 288 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: in front of an audience. But the beauty of that, 289 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: the beauty of that environment is nobody's there going all right, Well, 290 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: it's your job to be funny because there's no expectation 291 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: or pressure for me to be funny. Then it allows 292 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: me to be funny and tell a funny story, or 293 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:25,359 Speaker 2: be inappropriate or do something fucking stupid. But the few times, 294 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: probably honestly more than a few times where I've been whatever, inappropriate, funny, 295 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you look up and there's, however, 296 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 2: many people, like a whole room of people laughing at 297 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: some shit. You just said, Fuck, it's fun I'm like, yeah, 298 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 2: I could understand, like where you've got a whole lot 299 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: of like a whole room of people. One day at 300 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 2: Deacon when we had about seven hundred, I remember looking up. 301 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 2: I can't even what I've done, told one of my 302 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: stupid stories, but I just remember looking and seeing essentially 303 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: seven hundred people laughing their asses off and just an 304 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: auditorium full of happy faces and smiles, And I thought, fuck, 305 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: this is this is like a social narcotic, Like this 306 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 2: could be very addictive, no wonder, no wonder, comedians love 307 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: get that, Like, I could see how that would be 308 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 2: somewhat mentally and emotionally intoxicating, But I just and it's funny. 309 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: All the shit that I've done, you know, like Tali 310 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 2: Radio podcast standing in front of Like, I've done a 311 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: live gig in front of four thousand people. I would 312 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: rather do a live gig in front of ten thousand 313 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: people speaking gig than Hey, Craig, here's seven strangers. You've 314 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 2: got to walk out and be funny for five minutes. 315 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: That terrifies me. 316 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: It is the most would be the most resilient type 317 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: of art performing artist. I remember, I feel pretty recently. 318 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 3: I think it was Geraldine Hickey. I think she's quite funny. 319 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: She's a really good comedian. I've seen her a couple 320 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 3: of times live, and I must have seen a real 321 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: of hers that was from way back, and it was 322 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 3: quite clunky and kind of reminds you that, Yeah, even 323 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 3: the best comedians, they start out because it's all in 324 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: the delivery, and like sometimes you pick apart what they 325 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 3: say and it's just in their mannerisms and their delivery, 326 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: which is what they have to perfect. And you can't 327 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: perfect that at home writing it down and practicing in 328 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: the mirror. You have to do that in front of people. 329 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 3: It's really just a test of resilience. 330 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I don't have it. I'm too scared. It's 331 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 2: like I like to sometimes think I'm a fucking alpha 332 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: male warry. I'm definitely not a big I'm a big baby. 333 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 2: But you know who's brilliant at what you're talking about? 334 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 2: And there are many but Carl Baron. Oh and because 335 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 2: like some of the shitty says, it's just like it's 336 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: four out of ten funny, but his face and he's 337 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 2: timing and his body language and the bullshit he does 338 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 2: all that physical comedy with his body, it's a fifteen 339 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: out of ten. But then the combination of the reasonably 340 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 2: good kind of content or jokes, but then his delivery 341 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 2: and the way that he does it, Like you couldn't 342 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 2: teach someone to do his act, Like if another comedian 343 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 2: did his act, wouldn't be funny. 344 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he is so funny. I love him. 345 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 3: It's something about also a lot of really funny comedians 346 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 3: like that they really play on almost like making dumbing 347 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: themselves down. So they're really smart people, but often they're 348 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: you know, they're playing stupid in a lot of things. 349 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: Well, think about all the moving parts in that one. 350 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: You've got to have pre prepared content material of course, 351 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: but also there's going to be there's going to be 352 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: an element in every show, well, with good comedians anyway, 353 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: where there's a live there's interaction. There's some pissed bloke 354 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: in the fourth row giving your shit, and then you've 355 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: got to navigate him or her, and then you've got 356 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: to like not get pissed off, because imagine if you 357 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: got angry, like that's going to make everything very unfunny, 358 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,199 Speaker 2: and then you've got to deal with that. You've got 359 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: to stay on track. You've got to not get derailed 360 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: for the you know, if you're at say I don't 361 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: know the palais and you're a comedian, there's two thousand 362 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: people there and one bloke's being a fucking idiot, you've 363 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: got another nineteen hundred and ninety nine that are not 364 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 2: being an idiot. It'd be easy to get derailed depending 365 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 2: on what's going on and trying to navigate all of 366 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: that and just be like tell shit like you've never 367 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: told it before. It as well, yeah, like imagine how 368 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: many times some of them have told those same jokes, 369 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: and to bring the right energy where it's like I've 370 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 2: never told this before, but no, you've told that the 371 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 2: last three hundred nights in a row. 372 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: Should you give it a crack? 373 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 2: No, definitely not, but thank you. But what I do 374 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: like is I like, I like the idea, and I 375 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: guess maybe this could. We don't need a theme for shows. 376 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 2: We're just having to talk. But what I love is 377 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: that at forty one, let's be honest, forty twoish, at 378 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: forty woish, you are doing something that's brand new. It's 379 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: not like, oh, yeah, you used to play piano and 380 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 2: you've had a couple of decades off, right, it's very 381 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: I like that you do seem to get pretty good 382 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 2: at things pretty quick. I mean, you took up boxing 383 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: at twenty nine and ended up winning a whole bunch 384 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 2: of professional, well sanctioned fights. Right, It's not like, you know, 385 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: and you'd never thrown a punch in anger, well not 386 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: in that kind of sense anyway, until you're almost thirty, 387 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: which is very late to start a very high demand 388 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: physical contact sport. And then I don't know when you 389 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: started drawing, but the first time I've known you for 390 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 2: a long time before I saw it draw anything, then 391 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, and it was fucking brilliant, which is very annoying. 392 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: So I'm genuinely interested to see how good you can 393 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 2: get playing keyboards before the end of the year. 394 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's once. 395 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: Once there's an interest, I am straight down the rabbit hole. 396 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 3: Like once I've got an interest in something, and I 397 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 3: can and like I said before, I can, there's there's 398 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: a mechanism to understand the value beyond so that when 399 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: I get annoyed at this or you know, I've got 400 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: to practice a certain part of it, I know there 401 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: are other reasons I'm doing it like it was shit 402 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 3: turning up to boxing. Are plenty of the time getting 403 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 3: punched in the face and punched in the face, and 404 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 3: punching the face and always feeling the shittest and never 405 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: thinking you're good enough and never being fit enough and 406 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: getting punched in the face and getting punched in the 407 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: face because you're always put in with people better than you, 408 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 3: because that's the point. And so you have to understand 409 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: your reasons behind it in order to keep doing it. 410 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 3: And so I feel like I highlighted enough of those 411 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 3: to myself in learning the piano to warrant going out 412 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 3: with this bright idea twelve hours after thinking of it 413 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: to invest in a piano. 414 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 2: But you know what's a real contradiction with you, and 415 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: I'm going to throw you under the bus. But you 416 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 2: know what I'm about to say is true, So you 417 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: know you can do this. You can go Fuck, I 418 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: just watched a movie about this brilliant musician and this 419 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: beautiful kind of this amazing coach who I'm going to 420 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: become a musician. So within twenty four hours, you go 421 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: out and buy a new instrument that you've never played, 422 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: do the research, get the instrument, start playing it, and 423 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 2: within twenty four hours you're posting shit on social media 424 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: view playing the p which is fucking hilarious. And, by 425 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: the way, if someone who's never played reasonably impressive. But 426 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: if you've got to do a speaking gig in three weeks, 427 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 2: you won't give it any fucking thought until you're driving there, 428 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: and then you'll ring me up in a panic, going, 429 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: I was thinking of doing this. What do you think 430 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: about that? I'm like, here's an idea. You've known, you've 431 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 2: had it for fucking six months. Why don't you channel 432 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 2: some of that piano energy on this speaking gig. You've 433 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 2: got like you can be so focused or so completely 434 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: a dog with three dicks who's just like out. 435 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 3: Of control, and you're like, I have learned that there's 436 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: so much of that erraticness that I just need to 437 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: accept and find my own way of wrangling, like, because 438 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 3: I've hated parts of that for a long time and 439 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: gotten mad about it and been like I'm just shit, 440 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 3: I'll never I'll never be this or that, And it's like, Okay, 441 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 3: this is a hardwired part of me, there's part of 442 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: this is a blessing. I just need to understand for me, 443 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: what's the best way to for me to work around this, 444 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 3: what's the best way for me to and how to 445 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: plan or prepare for something? Because I think I need 446 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 3: I think it's that level of enthusiasm and excitement that 447 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 3: actually makes things work when I do do them. 448 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: But what happened? What happens when it Like for our listeners, 449 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: I think, by the way, forget the musical destiny who 450 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: of course you're with biggest things and sliced bread, as 451 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: Mary harpists, whatever the fuck that means? Oh, bigger than 452 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 2: slice bread because slice bread is huge? What was in 453 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 2: the forties when Mary was grown up? What a revelation 454 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 2: that was? What an innovation that was in the kitchen? 455 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 2: Put away your knife, it's already sliced. Fucking who knew? 456 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 2: Call the Herald's son, call the cops. Look at what 457 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 2: we've got slice bread. Well, you know, and in twenty 458 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: years there's going to be a thing called television, Mary, 459 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 2: so batten down the fucking hatches. I don't know what 460 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: I've no, just the fact that doing new things and 461 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 2: like my version like very different. But my version of 462 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: you know, like diving in this process was or part 463 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 2: of it was my PhD where I'm like, everyone's like, 464 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 2: what are you doing that for? You don't need to 465 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 2: do that. I go, yeah, I know, oh no, but 466 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: I want to and we'll see how we go. And 467 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: you know, and how many people said to me, but 468 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 2: by the time you finish, should be sixty one And 469 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: I said, yeah, well I'll be sixty one anyway in 470 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: five years, so I'll be sixty one with a PhD 471 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: or sixty one without. So it's like it's a silly 472 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 2: reason to not learn. 473 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 474 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 2: And the thing the thing is that you like you. 475 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I know it sounds nath and I 476 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: know we say it too much, but like the rate 477 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: at which you age or don't age, you know, cognitively, emotionally, physiological, 478 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: like we can mitigate it. We can even turn it 479 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: around to a degree depending on our starting point. So 480 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're doing different shit. I 481 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: love the fact. I love it when people message me 482 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: and I reckon, not because of me, but because they've 483 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: taken the initiative. I reckon. At least one hundred people 484 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: who listen to the You Project at least have begun 485 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,640 Speaker 2: or even finished a degree. They've started a degree, anything 486 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: from undergraduates PhD. I remember Nicole that we had on 487 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,959 Speaker 2: the show that you that you met up with. Remember 488 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: Nicole Qinsland. Yep, you know, she started, she did her 489 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: undergrad degree and then she did honors and now she's 490 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: doing a doctorate and that you know, part of that 491 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: was through the support and encouragement, And she did all 492 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: the work, she made the decisions, she did the hard stuff. 493 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: But you know, now she's a woman heading towards her 494 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 2: fifties who's literally better than she's ever been, happier, aw fulfilled, 495 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: more confident, more knowledgeable, like and growing like a metaphoric weed. 496 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 2: You know, in the middle of this process that most 497 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: people would avoid because they're too old, you. 498 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 3: Know, to use a cliche term, the journey, not the destination, 499 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 3: Like why not do something just because you might be old, 500 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: Like what, Like I thought to myself, no one, I'll 501 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 3: walk around day to day and no one knows. Well, 502 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 3: they will know because I'll tell them. But if I didn't, 503 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 3: no one would know that I had the skill of 504 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: playing the piano one day. But it's like to have 505 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: something that relaxes me, like I've never had an interest 506 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: that isn't full tilt. Like that feels so good. I'm 507 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 3: struggling with recovery and this is the first thing where 508 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 3: I'm fully engaged and relaxed at the same time. 509 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how do you go? How do you and 510 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 2: your ADHD go with something that requires sitting still and 511 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 2: being focused and being because it's a very different type 512 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: of demand on your body. 513 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: It is so cognitively overwhelming, and like my hands were 514 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: aching within two minutes, I was like, oh my god, 515 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: this it aches. It aches to press the buttons. And 516 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 3: then five minutes into a little lesson on the app 517 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: that I downloaded, I'm learning. I'm looking at music that 518 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 3: I can't read, but I'm getting cuesed for it that 519 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: occasionally has finger numbers. So there's finger numbers, there's notes, 520 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 3: there's two lines, there's fucking a line of music for 521 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 3: your right hand and a line of music for your 522 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: left hand, and your fingers are numbered one to five, 523 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: but then five to one on the other hand. So 524 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 3: all of these calculations as this little thing is playing 525 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 3: through when you're trying to press the right buttons at 526 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: the right times, because that hears it when you play 527 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 3: it and gives you a reading that you're getting it right. 528 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my god, there is a 529 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: lot happening here and I don't understand it. But I 530 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 3: also I'm aware because it was the same with boxing 531 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: that as I do it, it's all falling into my 532 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: subconscious and one day it'll just make sense. One day 533 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: I'll know exactly what that note is that I'm pressing 534 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: and which finger presses it, and I'll be like, oh, 535 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 3: I know that now. 536 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: Well, think about I don't know whenever. It was about 537 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 2: a year ago when you got your motorbike, right, yeah, 538 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: right now. I remember what I remember riding down South 539 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: Road with you after you'd just got it and you 540 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: could ride, but it wasn't your natural habitat you were 541 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 2: like twelve out of ten concentrating. Yeah, I've literally been 542 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: riding on the road for forty three years and I 543 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 2: ride seven days a week, and you know, for me, 544 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 2: it's like scratching my nose and I'm riding next ume 545 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 2: looking and then you know I rode with you not 546 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: that long ago. Yeah, completely different. I mean, you know 547 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 2: you still like time on on the bike, but yeah, 548 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 2: so like so much less effort for such better performance 549 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 2: because it's just it's just doing reps, like doing reps 550 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 2: in the gym, doing reps on the bike, doing reps 551 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: on the piano, like doing reps with research and study. 552 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: It's like, you can't get good at the thing you're 553 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 2: not doing, So what's the thing that you need to 554 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: be doing? And you know so many people are reluctant 555 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: to start because they're bad at it. Well, of course 556 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: you're fucking bad at it. You've never done it. Like 557 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 2: embrace being bad because you know, and it's like how 558 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 2: much have I improved as a rider in the last year? Zero? 559 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: How much have you improved? Eighty percent? You know what 560 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: I mean? And that's the thing is, you know, wherever 561 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 2: you start, especially if you're coming from a lower base 562 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: like with piano or you know whatever, like if you 563 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: and I got in a boxing ring, I'm bigger and 564 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: stronger than you. But you, well, you're definitely put in 565 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: the head at least five times. If I got a 566 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 2: hold of you, you'd be fucked. But do you know 567 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like, yeah, it's like it's just different. 568 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 2: You're starting from a different spot and that's okay. And 569 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 2: whether or not it's building a business or doing that 570 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 2: undergrad degree that we spoke about, or like creating some 571 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: kind of online service or whatever it is, well, of 572 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: course you're going to be no good at the start. 573 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 2: That's literally how it works. 574 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 3: The best thing about being shit at something is the 575 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 3: percentage of improvement is massive. I'm like, I'm smashing putting 576 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: videos up the first two days because to be an 577 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 3: absolute beginner that's had a piano for twelve hours and 578 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 3: has just learned a bit of one song and could 579 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: get it right, I was like, I'll never have that 580 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 3: level of improvement again because once I learn a little bit, 581 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: it'll be a long time before people will go, oh, 582 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 3: that's noticeable improvement because you get better and then the 583 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 3: margins of improvement are a lot smaller. It's like it's 584 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 3: like doing chin ups. If you can do four, you've 585 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: got to get twenty five percent better to do one more. 586 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Yeah, yeah, But even like 587 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: using that as an example, how many people have I 588 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 2: taught over the years to do chins who when they started, 589 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 2: like the majority, couldn't do a chin. Yeah, so we 590 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 2: just start with hanging, just body weight hold, and some 591 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: people couldn't hot. I mean some people literally couldn't hold 592 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: their weight for two or three seconds, so we had 593 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: to use a band, you know, or they had to 594 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: hold for one second and then step on a bench, 595 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 2: and then eventually three step seconds, then step on a bench, 596 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: and then eventually, over time they'd build up to a 597 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 2: minute and then we'd step off a bench and they'd 598 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: do an eccentric kind of chin where they're lower their 599 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: you know. But over time, the person who couldn't hold 600 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 2: their body weight ends up doing chins. And it's the 601 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: same person with the same genetic potential, but now they've 602 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: got they've done the reps, and their body is not 603 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: the same anymore. You know, They've got the same potential, 604 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 2: but they're using more of what they had, you know, 605 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: So that it's funny speaking of I'm jumping around a 606 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: little bit, but like about learning in general. Right, So 607 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: there was a guy that comes in the morning to 608 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: the cafe often brings in his kids, and he bought 609 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: his little three year old this morning, who was fucking 610 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: doing laps of the Hampton's like a maniac. I'm like, yeah, 611 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 2: good luck with him, Champ, and he laughs like great kid, Yeah, yeah, 612 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: they're not loving him at kinder. I'm like, why is that? 613 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, you know, like they wanted to 614 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: talk to us about Well, He's like when when they're 615 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 2: all sitting, they're meant to be sitting on the floor 616 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: like quiet and paying attention, Like he's not very good 617 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 2: at it. I'm like, well, one, he's a boy too, 618 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: he's fucking three. Of course, It's like, of course is 619 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 2: bad at that? What do you think? You know? I 620 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: think the thing is expecting some people to you know, 621 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 2: I'm probably being I don't know, fucking sexist when I 622 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 2: say this, but I think girls are typically better than 623 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 2: three year old boys at being still and not always. 624 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,439 Speaker 2: Of course you probably were a maniac. But I mean 625 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 2: my point is that we all learn differently, and we're 626 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: all you know, like we all are suited to different things. 627 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 2: But being able to go oh, well, you know, Tiff 628 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 2: needs to learn to be calm, and maybe she doesn't. 629 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: Maybe Tiff doesn't need to fucking sit still or maybe 630 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 2: maybe you know it's like maybe you do, maybe you don't. 631 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 2: But I think the thing is finding, you know, finding 632 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,120 Speaker 2: the thing that for you, you know, where there's joy and 633 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 2: there's growth and there's hopefully there's some fun. But you know, 634 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 2: it could be learning piano, or it could be bloody 635 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 2: figuring out. I don't know how to join the Space 636 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: program doesn't matter, you know, an you. 637 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:19,760 Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I want. I'm a really motivated self learner. 638 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: I know that I love. Like when I did the sketching, 639 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 3: I didn't want to do courses because I uncovered this 640 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 3: I don't know disability to just see things and replicate them, 641 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I just want to develop 642 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 3: whatever that like. I don't understand what makes that achievable. 643 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 3: I don't understand what that is as a talent or 644 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 3: a skill. But I don't want to do what someone 645 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 3: else says and gloss over it, you know what I mean? Like, 646 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: and I feel like I want to play with the 647 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 3: piano first before I want to get some lessons at 648 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 3: some point, But first I just want to play with 649 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: it and see what I can figure out myself with. Obviously, 650 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,359 Speaker 3: online courses jumping around these YouTube ones do a bit 651 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 3: of an app well. 652 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 2: I think also like people are naturally gifted at things 653 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 2: that you know, like how many how many actors famous 654 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,480 Speaker 2: actors have never had an acting lesson? Like more than 655 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: people would think, right, Like how many times have I 656 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 2: spoken to an audience and been paid thousands? How many 657 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 2: speaking workshops did I do? Zero? Did I? You know? 658 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,879 Speaker 2: Like which I've written a bunch of books I've never done. 659 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: I've never done a one hour writing course. I've never 660 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 2: done any speaking training. I've never done any media training. 661 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 2: I worked in radio for twenty years, and I'm not saying, ah, 662 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 2: I brilliant, I'm not. But you know, I don't know 663 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 2: that that some training is always is necessarily going to 664 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 2: get the best out of you. Like for me, I'm 665 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,000 Speaker 2: very intuitive, instinctive. I think communication is one of my 666 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 2: few gifts. And the way that I speak and interview 667 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 2: and interact and present ideas and information and stories and 668 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: do what I'm doing right now, Nobody's taught me to 669 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 2: do that. But also I don't necessarily think the way 670 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 2: that I do it would be the best way for 671 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: another person, you know, So it's trying to figure out. Yeah, 672 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I definitely think like I went 673 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 2: to one of those things, Toastmasters, is that what it's called, 674 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 2: where people go and they basically it's like a group 675 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 2: of people who get together, correct me if I'm wrongtive, 676 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,760 Speaker 2: And it's like people who want to do public speaking 677 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: not necessarily become professional speakers, but a few of them do. 678 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: And there's a group and you have some kind of 679 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: mentors who teach you how to speak in front of 680 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 2: a group of humans. Well, I'm going to tread lightly 681 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 2: when I say I don't know that all of the 682 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: advice is amazing. I went to one of these to 683 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 2: speak to the group about me going as a professional 684 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 2: speaker to speak to the group. And so what I 685 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 2: did was I just got up and spoke for maybe 686 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 2: twenty minutes on just general you know, the stuff I 687 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 2: talk about, and then spoke a bit about you know, 688 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,239 Speaker 2: what I do and how I do it and why 689 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,439 Speaker 2: I do the things the way that I do, which 690 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 2: is again not to say this is how I do it, 691 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 2: therefore you all should be doing what I do at all, 692 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 2: And then just interacted with them and answered questions and 693 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 2: so it was probably forty minutes all up, and they 694 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 2: were like, how do you just get up there and 695 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 2: do that? That's like saying to me, how do you 696 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 2: just eat your breakfast? How do you do that? I'm like, 697 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,920 Speaker 2: this is so not hard. There's so many things that 698 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 2: are hard for me. So, you know, I think it's 699 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 2: a mix of For some people, really having that training 700 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 2: and that coaching and that kind of education is going 701 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 2: to be a real asset. But I don't think everyone 702 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 2: all the time. Like one of my best friends in 703 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: the world, Greg who you remember, Greg used to do 704 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:13,840 Speaker 2: a bit of editing with us. He plays about twenty instruments. 705 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:21,279 Speaker 2: He's had zero musical lessons, you know, he's produced albums, singer, songwriter, 706 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,320 Speaker 2: master musician. Give him any instrument, he'll play it by tomorrow. 707 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 2: But he plays, you know, keyboards, he plays drums, he 708 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 2: plays guitar, he plays bass, he plays lead, he plays rhythm, 709 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 2: he plays like everything, and nobody taught him, and he's 710 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 2: awesome at all of it. Again, there's not you know, 711 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 2: there's not one way. But I think sometimes there's that 712 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,840 Speaker 2: creative genius that if you just lean into that. You 713 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 2: might you might pick up bad habits, but also you 714 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 2: might not. 715 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,959 Speaker 3: But there's things if you just get you just get 716 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 3: it and you don't necessarily understand it. Like I didn't 717 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 3: just get boxing. So I find I believe that I 718 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 3: am a really good teacher for beginners because I had 719 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 3: to break that down and really understand it, because I 720 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 3: wasn't coordinated. I had to really work at it and 721 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 3: get the understanding of what it feels like and what 722 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 3: do you mean by that? And how do I move 723 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 3: my body like that? How do I make this? How 724 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 3: do I punch from the shoulder, or how do I 725 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 3: you know? And I think, like when I was doing 726 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,879 Speaker 3: that little app and reading the music, it's like when 727 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 3: you have to focus on something new, you can't focus 728 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 3: on the rest. So when you're walking up onto a 729 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,800 Speaker 3: stage at toast Masters as a beginner with a task, 730 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 3: they're telling it, they're teaching you about. Your head's filled 731 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 3: with the task. You're thinking about that you can't connect 732 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 3: with an audience. But if people just get it, like 733 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 3: you just get it, so you don't need to be 734 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 3: taught how to interact and meet the room where it's at. 735 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 2: And that's the challenge, you're right with something like toast Masters. 736 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think it's bad. I actually 737 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 2: think for the most part, it's a good idea and 738 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,799 Speaker 2: it gives people a platform and there's a lot of 739 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 2: good to come out of it. But you're right. One 740 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 2: of the challenges is if you want to do a presentation, 741 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 2: we've got to pre prepare obviously, then you've got content. 742 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960 Speaker 2: And then with for a lot of people, they've got slides, 743 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 2: you know, or they've got a set presentation. There's this bit, 744 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 2: then this bit. There's ten bits, and bit four comes 745 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 2: after bit three, and bit three comes after bit two, 746 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 2: and you know, and then at the end there's a 747 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 2: conclusion and then there's Q and A. And the problem 748 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 2: is that if you're on you know, part two of 749 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,239 Speaker 2: your ten part presentation, and the audience are lost, and 750 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 2: now you're in the middle of like a fucking interpersonal 751 00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 2: catastrophe because people are looking at their phone and checking 752 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,880 Speaker 2: their fucking social media and you don't have the capacity 753 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 2: to figure that out in real time and go, fucking hell, 754 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: I've lost the group, but I don't know what to 755 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,479 Speaker 2: do because I've halfway through point two and point three 756 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 2: is next on my slide show. Then not only is 757 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 2: that going to be a disaster for the group and 758 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,360 Speaker 2: for you, it's probably going to fuck your confidence forever. 759 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,960 Speaker 2: That organization is never going to get you back to 760 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: speak to them because it was terrible. So it's this 761 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 2: synergy and this synthesis of yes, you need content and preparation. 762 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,120 Speaker 2: But and it's tough because the only way you can 763 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 2: get that confidence as you the only way you can 764 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 2: get confident in the ring is by being in the ring. 765 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,399 Speaker 2: You can fucking shadow box around the lounge room until 766 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 2: you're ninety two, but until some motherfucker hits you on 767 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 2: the gob in the ring, right you like, you know, 768 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 2: it's like, dude, you can't There are certain skills you 769 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: cannot acquire until you're at the cold face, and so 770 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 2: you just got to go there be as well prepped 771 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 2: as you can. But also, you know, try to be 772 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 2: mindful of what's happening in front of you, because if 773 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 2: you're creating disconnection not connection and you don't know it, 774 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 2: you're opening up a world of hurt. Yeah, all right, Well, 775 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 2: I feel like we've banged on. I'm going to go 776 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 2: and do some work. 777 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to go and bang some keys? 778 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 2: Are you going to bang some keys? Okay? Now, I'm 779 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 2: could you Rather than posting every eight minutes, could you 780 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 2: just could you and go, oh, look I've got three 781 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,960 Speaker 2: new chords. Hey do you reckon? You could just like 782 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,719 Speaker 2: once a week put up something and go, okay, week five, 783 00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 2: this is what I'm looking like. 784 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: I could probably work with that. 785 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:38,440 Speaker 2: I don't think we need hourly updates on your musical prowess. 786 00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to miss out. 787 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah no, we're okay. Okay, we're okay? Where okay? And 788 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,120 Speaker 2: then how excited? Will you be? All right? Have a 789 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 2: good day, TIV. Thanks everyone, Thanks