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Speaker 1: Oh good, your bloody champions. I hope you're great. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to another installing the show, Doctor Hannah Corral, who's been

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Speaker 1: on about a thousand times. You love her, We love her.

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Speaker 1: She comes at a great rate, and I think that's important.

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Speaker 2: Super free.

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Speaker 1: What no, as if we don't pay you don't don't

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Speaker 1: misrepresent me.

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Speaker 2: You pay me in smiles. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Other than that, she's also super smarty pants. Having said that,

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Speaker 1: Having said that, Doc, it has been a little while.

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Speaker 1: It's been a few months.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long time between drinks, hasn't it. I

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Speaker 3: think what did we do last your brain in a nutshell?

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Speaker 3: It was a little while ago.

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Speaker 1: Now I think was the last thing that we did,

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Speaker 1: like ten episodes in a row?

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Speaker 3: Ten short Yeah, the ten, the ten EPs, the nutshells?

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Speaker 4: That was?

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that was? Well, that was five and

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Speaker 1: a half months ago. Because we're now nearly half amazing.

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Speaker 3: It goes so fast. I was thinking about you just

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Speaker 3: the other day and I was wondering.

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Speaker 2: How's your PhD going, how's your mom? How's her eye?

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Speaker 2: How's your eye?

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Speaker 3: You know, how's it all? How's it all been since

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Speaker 3: I heard from you?

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Speaker 1: As thanks for asking? Nobody fucking asks. Let's make it

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Speaker 1: all about me. Good, Let's yeah, let's talk about me

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Speaker 1: all right. Let's start with my eye. Had an operation

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Speaker 1: that was, that was mildly terrifying. So we dealt without. Mum,

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Speaker 1: Mum's good. The old man, Dad, he's, he's if you

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Speaker 1: him I said any of this. He's he's not the

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Speaker 1: most mobile these days. He's walking.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Is this you kind of exercise, you work out, and

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Speaker 1: you're a smarty pant. So you understand there's this kind

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Speaker 1: And while that kind of makes sense, there's also this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that, yeah, my dad would spend like a

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Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, I'm I'm the least lazy

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Speaker 3: This is just a statistical fact. When you get over

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know that sometimes I can be

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Speaker 1: my dad, Right, He's a grumpy old bastard, but I

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Speaker 1: be like I'm sixty. Now. I don't mean this arrogantly

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Speaker 3: Literally currently you can't see you guys with actually flexing

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Speaker 2: I just saw him kiss his bifab.

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Speaker 1: I've just taken my shirt off. I'll let my cargoes on.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome. That is not that's all bullshit. My shirt

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Speaker 2: He's flexing, guys, He's flexing, and I've gone bright red.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

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Speaker 2: Anyway you were talking about, psycopedia, stay on topic.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is, like, to take our messages, we

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Speaker 3: Know, And do you know what that's I think it

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Speaker 2: And people who continue to be.

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Speaker 3: what staves off dementia as well. Third one is food.

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Speaker 3: But you know, we could talk talk about food till

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Speaker 3: the cows come home. Mediterranean diet, guys, that's a look

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Speaker 3: it up Blue zones.

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many episodes we've done on food?

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Speaker 1: Trust me, when you go diet, look it up. They

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Speaker 1: five kilos. Let's say my brain is one point three

435
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Speaker 1: I don't know what percentage of that it would be, like,

436
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: but less than two percent, but less than two percent

437
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 1: of my body uses twenty percent of my energy and

438
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: take that's that's like, you know, like literally mad using

439
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: your brain burns energy.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeap. And the brain is the only organ in

441
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Speaker 2: your body that studies itself. It's crazy, isn't that?

442
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: Well? That's the is it the brain?

443
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Speaker 2: Wild?

444
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Is it the brain or is it the oh.

445
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Speaker 2: This is your this is your PhD.

446
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Speaker 3: I don't know you till us tell us in six

447
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: months when you publish it. But I'll also add another

448
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: crazy point if you okay, this is one.

449
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Speaker 2: This is a PSA. I'm going to put this out.

450
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: If you have access to ADHD medication, you are not

451
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: diagnosed with ADHD, please don't take other people's ADHD medication.

452
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 3: There's a common misconception. I'm sure we'll talk ADHD another.

453
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Speaker 2: Day, but people who are taking are seeing this.

454
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Speaker 3: A lot of the clinic, you know, I diagnose ADHD

455
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Speaker 3: I to assessments for a living with neurodiversity and autism

456
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Speaker 3: and stuff. I'm seeing a lot of people who will

457
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Speaker 3: take ADHD medication that they've gotten access to to help

458
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Speaker 3: their brain, help them concentrate.

459
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Speaker 2: And the latest research there.

460
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Speaker 3: Used to be this idea that, oh, yes, it will

461
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Speaker 3: help me concentrate, to take someone else's riddle and or

462
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: take someone's dex amphetamine.

463
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: Whatever it was. But actually the latest Rich show is

464
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: telling us that if.

465
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: You do not have ADHD and you take des amphetamine

466
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: or any kind of you know, stimulant medication for ADHD,

467
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 3: if you don't have that diagnos the medication actually does

468
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 3: the opposite to you, and it can make you appear

469
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 3: like you have ADHD, So it makes your concentration worth

470
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: worth but your perception of your concentration, your belief about

471
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: your concentration is that.

472
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: It's better, so you believe you're doing better.

473
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 3: But actually the researchers who have tested people and put

474
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Speaker 3: them through tasks and where they have to concentrate, they've

475
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Speaker 3: actually found those people could when they were taking the

476
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: medicine perceive their performance to be better, but they're actually

477
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: much more likely to switch tasks, not stay on track,

478
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,239
Speaker 3: click from one thing to the next in a bit

479
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 3: of a hurried fashion, without realizing that they were much

480
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Speaker 3: more disorganized than they were without the medication. So it's

481
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Speaker 3: a really big placebo effect when people take medication who

482
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Speaker 3: do not have the diagnosis. So if you know, that's

483
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Speaker 3: one of the ways the trial to figure out if

484
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Speaker 3: you really do have ADHD, you'll notice the difference when

485
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Speaker 3: you take the medication for the better, But if you

486
00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 3: don't have ADHD, it will make you worse. So people

487
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: trying to get a quick fix or a silver bullet

488
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: or a magic pill for making their brain better, Unfortunately,

489
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 3: there really isn't that magic pill you do as you say,

490
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 3: you need that holistic approach to are you sleeping right?

491
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: Is your mood? Okay, you're working out?

492
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 3: And if you do think you have a neurodiversity, have

493
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Speaker 3: you done the appropriate steps to get it properly, properly checked,

494
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: not just popping a pill because it might make things

495
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Speaker 3: worse rather than better.

496
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Speaker 1: Well, there's about seventy million bio hackers out there who

497
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: are rolling their eyes at you, saying you clearly don't

498
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Speaker 1: understand eutropics. You clearly have, like have you? I agree

499
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Speaker 1: with you, by the way, But it is funny because

500
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: there's a whole field of supplements proliferating right now all

501
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: around cognitive function. And oh do you mean.

502
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: Like ginco boloma and like.

503
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Speaker 1: Line No, no, no, they're supplements like no, these are

504
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: I can't say too much, but let's just say I

505
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: know at least fifty people who use neotropics, and by

506
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 1: that I mean things like pro vidual modafinite, things that

507
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: are so For example, modfinitel is an anti narcolepsy drug.

508
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Awake, right, yeah.

509
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: It's not a stimulant per se. Nicotine. Nicotine is massive, massive,

510
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: really massive, not not pertually, not in your environment, but m.

511
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Speaker 2: UNI students.

512
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Speaker 3: What I think, because I'm lecturing now, I lecture at UTS,

513
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Speaker 3: teaching the psychometrics to the master students, and you know,

514
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Speaker 3: I think you're in exposure to UNI students, not necessarily

515
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 3: UTS students, but just across the board.

516
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Speaker 2: When I was at UNI, people.

517
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Speaker 3: Using things like, yeah, the nudos, or people who were

518
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: taking medicine from friends who are diagnosed with ADHD, people

519
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: who perhaps might you know, do things like chew nicotine gum.

520
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: But interestingly, they always.

521
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: Rolled into the exams looking like death warmed up, looking exhausted,

522
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 3: and I often wondered whether it was just the adrenaline

523
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: of being so close to the deadline that got them

524
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: over the edge. You know, is it really actually helping you?

525
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 3: What's the long term ramification to your liver and your

526
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: gut and your your health and you know, even just

527
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: the diuretic effects of eating heaps and heaps of nicotine

528
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 3: gum that you don't need.

529
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Speaker 2: You know, I can only imagine what that does to

530
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 2: your bowels. But yeah, there's better ways.

531
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Speaker 3: There's better magic pills than pop and nodos, guys.

532
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 2: And now by that I mean exercise than sleep well.

533
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Speaker 1: There's no I mean, there's no doubt that all of

534
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: those things over the long term and no good for you.

535
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: And even then the short term they're not good for you.

536
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: But I think like one of my friends got diagnosed

537
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: with sleep apnea, which a lot of people have, and

538
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: so he's got one of those sleepy machine, those sleep

539
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: a datata. Anyway, the bottom line, bottom line is he

540
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: now sleeps great. Well. Now he's like a fucking genius

541
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: just because he's.

542
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 6: Sleeping like he's literally it's literally smarter, like as in functionally,

543
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: he's like, oh my god, I didn't realize I was.

544
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: I was like a V eight running on two cylinders.

545
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: And now he sleeps proptly. He's changed his diet, his

546
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: last weight, he's cut out nearly all booze, and he

547
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: drinks water so he's well hydrated, he's well rested. He's

548
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: not carrying a round weight that was non functional. Yes, like,

549
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: apart from all the obvious physiological benefits, you know, look

550
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: fore your function, health, immune system, energy levels, his brain.

551
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: It's like he said to me the other day, I

552
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: literally feel smarter, and I go, well, you probably literally

553
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: are smarter from a function point of view. Just because

554
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: you did your.

555
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: Body testing wise as well.

556
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Speaker 3: One of the primary things I have to constantly rule

557
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: out when I do a dementia assessment or a fronto

558
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: temporal dementia assessment, which affects your frontal lobes.

559
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Speaker 2: It can make you act very odd and make.

560
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: Silly decisions and not use reasoning and insight, you know,

561
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: changes personalities.

562
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: Because it really affects the frontal part of our brain.

563
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 3: I have to constantly rule out, you know, what is

564
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: a confound, what could be muddying the water here, And

565
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: those things are things like untreated sleep apnea. So somebody

566
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: who's snoring in the night is a sign. People who

567
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: stop breathing in the night is a sign.

568
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: You know.

569
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Speaker 3: The partner often can take the room because a person's

570
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 3: so loud. Waking up and having excessive daytime sleepiness. There's

571
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: actually a clinical term excessive daytime sleepiness where you're drifting off,

572
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: you know, during meetings or when things are a bit

573
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: more dull, You're falling asleep, you needing to take naps

574
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 3: during the day, You're getting.

575
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: Sleep, but you wake up exhausted.

576
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 3: You know.

577
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 2: I have to rule those things out when I'm assessing someone.

578
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 3: For ADHD or for a cognitive impairment or for a dementia,

579
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: because it's the bottom of the cognitive pyramid, you know,

580
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 3: it's the primary, primary bottom, you know, until you can

581
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: get into other you can't even get into more complex

582
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: cognitive abilities like executive function or memory or language.

583
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: If you don't have.

584
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: Adequate if you're not medically stable, right, and if you're

585
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: if you're a walking zombie because you've had not enough

586
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: sleep or poor quality sleep.

587
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, I've got a very specific question that I

588
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever asked you so now, without opening

589
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: the autism or the neurodiversity door to wide or even

590
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: the depression or anxiety or anything in that mental health

591
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: brain health, brain function space, do you think that the

592
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: way that our brains are working in twenty twenty four

593
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: and perhaps what seems to be the increased prevalence of

594
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: mental health issues and neurodivergent kind of people and all

595
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: of that stuff, do you think that's we're just that's

596
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: always been at that level and we're just more aware

597
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: of it. Or do you think it's increasing? Do you

598
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: think it's increasing because of things like global pandemics, diet,

599
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, plastics and all of the you know, the

600
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: myriad of things that we are now doing to our

601
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: bodies that we didn't do two generations ago or even

602
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: one generation ago.

603
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Speaker 3: Oh so interesting, that's really interesting. I think we could

604
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: do another an entire episode on neurodiversity.

605
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: We should.

606
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: But my short answer is yes and no. There's better

607
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: every time we've had an increase in diagnostic criteria. So

608
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: when we've had a new DSM Diagnostic Statistical Manual Mental

609
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: Disorders or ICD International Classification of Disease, every time they've

610
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 3: had a new one come out, So we're in the

611
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: fifth edition of the DSM, we're in the tenth edition

612
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: of the ICD. When there's a new edition come out

613
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: and the criteria is a little better, a little more precise,

614
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: a little more refined, little more finessed, a little less

615
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 3: you know, bias to gender, then there's a sudden spike

616
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 3: in diagnoses, and that probably reflects better ability to detect

617
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: these things. You know, women, in particular, neurodiversity, there was

618
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: a huge group of women. We call them the lost Girls,

619
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Speaker 3: because they were completely undetected because the DSM, yes, the

620
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: DSM is written for it was based the samples are

621
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Speaker 3: based on young boys and men, and so it's.

622
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Speaker 2: A serious issue.

623
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Speaker 3: A lot of the DSM and the disorders in our

624
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: mental health understanding is mostly based on male research, and

625
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: women were excluded because of the concern that things like

626
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: their period would muck up the results. So even though

627
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: they're half the population, they weren't part of the research

628
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: to determine how those disorders displayed themselves. So most women

629
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: don't present the way that people would typically think of

630
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: an ADHD child or an autistic person. They're actually the

631
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: DSM describes autistic males really well and autistic ADHD men

632
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: really well, but it doesn't describe autistic females very well.

633
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 3: And so we're now we're now figuring out ah well,

634
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: women socially masked and they hide it, and they may

635
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: be more likely to have an internal meltdown rather an

636
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: external meltdown. There's a whole bunch of other presentation factors

637
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 3: that need to be considered, so't we haven't appropriately detected

638
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: these people. So hence now we're getting a spike in detection.

639
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: And yes, COVID was meant that lots of people couldn't

640
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 3: assess during COVID, so there's that catch up. We're playing

641
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: catch up with the two years worth of people who

642
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 3: didn't get assessed during COVID or who realized they had

643
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: symptoms during COVID because isolating for you know, two years

644
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: socially they realized, oh, I actually really like this because

645
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 3: I don't have to socially mask anymore and I can't

646
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 3: go back to socializing anymore.

647
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: So now they're presenting for autism assessments.

648
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 3: Or they realized they couldn't concentrate, you know, when they

649
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: weren't in the office, they couldn't concentrate and they had

650
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: terrible attention. So now they're getting checked for ADHD. So

651
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: there's that we're playing catch up with that. But the

652
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: flip side of what you're asking is is there environmental

653
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: factors playing epigenetic issues or role in our presentation? Like, so,

654
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 3: is the environment affecting the genetics and now we're seeing

655
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: greater increases. I previously would have said no, I used

656
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: to I used to be of the you know, in

657
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: the camp of no. No, it's just better. We've got

658
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: better means to detect these things now. But there is

659
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: some very new research, very very new research coming out

660
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: that suggests that it is possible that there are certain

661
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: toxins in the environment and certain substances that women are

662
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 3: being exposed to that affects babies in the womb. So

663
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 3: one of them are, you know, prenatal vitamins for example, Greig,

664
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 3: you know, how often do you hear or see those

665
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 3: videos about those ads about taking prenatal vitamins, Like, it's

666
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: really important to take your prenatal vitamins. If you're thinking

667
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: of trying to get a pregnant, you should take them

668
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 3: straight away, and while you're pregnant, make sure you take them.

669
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: With this idea that oh, there's no harm in making

670
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: sure you have lots of nutrients. Make sure you have

671
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: lots and lots of nutrients. But now there's some early

672
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 3: research to suggest, oh, actually having too many of certain

673
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: nutrients may actually be linked to increased rates of perhaps

674
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: autism or AHD later in life for these children because

675
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: they were over exposed to stim these supplements. So now

676
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 3: doctors are not necessarily prescribing, you know, as a rule

677
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 3: of thumb, to every pregnant woman take supplements. Now they're

678
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: only prescribing them if the woman actually shows a death

679
00:36:58,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: sit of some kind.

680
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: In her blood. So there's some early.

681
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: Research coming out to suggest, yes, you may very bur

682
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 3: be right about the factors of the environment.

683
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

684
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,959
Speaker 1: And the other thing that doesn't get mentioned a lot

685
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: just in it does in science, but in just you know,

686
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: in the media, when people are talking about all the

687
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: variables around health, there's like these sweeping statements that are

688
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: doing this. Does that to who? Like I just met

689
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: with a friend of mine. His name's Terry, and he

690
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: had a I forget the type of brain cancer it was,

691
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: but he ended up undergoing twenty nine operations and the

692
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: fact that he's alive. He's a miracle man. He's a

693
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: miracle man. Yeah, we were talking about We're talking about

694
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a few things. But one of the things we're talking

695
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: about was Lyrica, which is a drug for pain, neural pain,

696
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: right which you would not So can I say this?

697
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: Can I say this? I think I can. Well, I

698
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: won't say exactly how much. But so Terry is in

699
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: constant pain and he has to take Lyrica as just

700
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 1: a daily just to be able to function. Right now,

701
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: A few years ago, I fucked my back and I

702
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: got prescribed Lyrica. I'd never had it. I took one

703
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: seventy one seventy five meal tablet and I sat in

704
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 1: this room that I'm in now. I was sitting in

705
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: a comfy chair and I was in massive pain. I

706
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: took the Lyrica. Twenty minutes later the pain started to subside.

707
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: And in front of me is a whiteboard on the wall.

708
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I've told this few times on the show. I'm sorry everybody,

709
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: but so there was writing on the whiteboard, Hannah, and

710
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: I was looking at the writing, and it slid off

711
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: the whiteboard and onto the wall. And now the writing

712
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: was on the writing was on the wall, and the

713
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: white board was clear. Now I'm sitting there, eyes wide open,

714
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: looking at the clear whiteboard and now all this writing

715
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: on the wall, fully knowing that that's not real. It

716
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: can't be right.

717
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so you knew it was a hallucination.

718
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: I knew, but I'm looking at it. I literally closed

719
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: my eyes and reopened my eyes, and the writing was

720
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: still on the wall. Now here's my point. I had

721
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: one tablet and I weigh eighty five kilos. He has

722
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: a lot more than that. I won't say how much,

723
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: but a lot. Anyway, he's probably seventy kilos. And not

724
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: only does he not hallucinate, it kind of makes him

725
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: feel better. Right, I'm just thinking. So the funny thing

726
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: is it's like, oh, people go this is good, this

727
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: is bad, and you go, well, One, it depends on

728
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: how that particular stimulus, whether it's peanuts, almonds, soid products, lyrica, booze,

729
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: sun exposure, like, it depends on how that stimulus interacts

730
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: with that individual's physiology. So to say categorically that this

731
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: is good, this is bad is completely fucking ignorance because

732
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the thing that would be terrible for me could save

733
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: someone else's life. You know, for me, a healthy snack

734
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: could be For me, a healthy snack could be a

735
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: handful of peanuts or almonds, But for someone else that

736
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: will kill them. Right, So there's you know, in exercise,

737
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: it's the same. You know, in exercise science you need

738
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: to stretch more. No, for some people, stretching is bad.

739
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: And I was even talking about a book recently called

740
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: Bad Therapy by researcher who interviewed a myriad of world

741
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: class psychologists and neuropsychologists around different models and treatments for

742
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, dealing with psychological issues. And what she found

743
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: was that for some people, talk therapy makes it worse.

744
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, if it's not right for their brain, that's right, Yeah,

745
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 3: that's right.

746
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: And so for some people it's like, oh, every second

747
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Tuesday they go and see you know, Diane the psychotherapist,

748
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: and then they come out of their triggered and stress,

749
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: and then they come out worse and then it takes

750
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: them three days to reset, and then eleven days later

751
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: they go back through the same process. And so it's

752
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: not to say amends are good or bad, or talk

753
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: therapy is good or bad, or sun exposure is good

754
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: or bad, but just that we are not all generic,

755
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: we are not all clones. And it's trying to figure

756
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: out how you know, Hannah works, how Craig works, and

757
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: then figure out with yes, we need to listen to

758
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: people like you who are experts and maybe me, but

759
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: also rather consider us, don't necessarily believe us unequivocally.

760
00:41:59,680 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: That's it.

761
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: I would highly recommend any women listening for Pregnant, you know,

762
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: talk to your doctor. Don't don't go changing what you're

763
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: doing from listening to a podcast. You need to you

764
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: need to consult your doctor specifically. And this is obviously

765
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: not specific advice for anyone. So that's exactly right. And

766
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: I think the next question that would come to a

767
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: listener's mind is how do I how do I figure

768
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 3: out what's right for me? And it's one thing that

769
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: I've kind of learned from doing neuropsyche for however long

770
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: now is speaking to the right person, speaking to the

771
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 3: right expert.

772
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: And it's a it's a it's a mix of speaking

773
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: to the.

774
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: Right specialists, but also know thyself and trust, trust your

775
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: own gut in a way, because I'll often have people

776
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 3: present to neuropsyche for an assessment for autism or ADHD,

777
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: and we do an intake first before I assess you.

778
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: I don't assess people until I've done a session with

779
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: them first for an hour to hear you know what

780
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: serious you? What is your concern? When did that happen?

781
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: Why are you worried? Why do you want an assessment?

782
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: Now?

783
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: I'm not going to book you in for a thousand

784
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: dollars assessment and till I know why do you want

785
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: this assessment?

786
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: What is exactly the problem.

787
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 3: And let's go back to pregnancy when you were first

788
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 3: born and work our way back to now to figure

789
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: out what your developmental history is to see if this

790
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: is appropriate for you. So you know, one part A

791
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: lot of those people who present to me have been

792
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: through a very windy road to get to that point

793
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: of finally, finally, finally getting a neurodivergent assessment to see

794
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 3: if they have autism or ADHD. And often they're presenting,

795
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: and you know, that's half the battle, because they know

796
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: themselves something's not typical. You know, I feel different, I

797
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: feel really different. And this is not just depression or anxiety.

798
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: I've tried the therapy, I've tried the medication and it's

799
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: not going away. And so often that they've come from

800
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: a therapy, you know, history of ten years of therapy

801
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 3: or have many sessions of therapy and they didn't find

802
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 3: it helpful. And I often have to sort of explain

803
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: to them after we've done the assessment and they have

804
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 3: in fact come up as having ADHD or autism, I

805
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: have to explain to them. You know, yeah, that some

806
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 3: therapies are for neuro brains, for neurotypical brains. But you know, Craig,

807
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,320
Speaker 3: they think, on average is about forty two percent of

808
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: the population when you put all the different neurodiversity specific

809
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 3: learning disorder, dyslexia, discalculia, disgraphia, ADHD, ASD or TIM spectrum

810
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: to sort of put them all together, it's something like

811
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Speaker 3: forty two percent of population as a neurodiversity, so half

812
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 3: the population is not neurotypical yet were We often try

813
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 3: to squeeze a square peg into a round hole and

814
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: give people the same kind of CBT DBT, the same

815
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 3: kind of therapy, but it may not be right for them,

816
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: and that might be why it hasn't been effective for them,

817
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: because they needed a neurodiverse therapy. And it's not your fault.

818
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: It's not that you weren't trying hard enough, or you

819
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: were being lazy, or you just weren't putting enough effort in.

820
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 3: It could be that just it actually wasn't the right

821
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: wasn't the right intervention for you. So part of it

822
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 3: is finding the right the right specialist who knows what

823
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: they're talking out, and the other part of it is

824
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: knowing yourself. Does it feel right, does it resonate with me?

825
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: Does this answer my question? Six month review six month reviews?

826
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: Is it's working for me? Or are you just going

827
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 3: along passively? Is it actually working for you? And checking

828
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,879
Speaker 3: in with yourself? You know, probably, Craig, you talk about

829
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 3: goals all the time. You know, goals at the start

830
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: of the year and checking in and you've got that

831
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: great journal that you sell with the you know, the

832
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: goals of setting up your plan for the year and

833
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: setting yourself up and breaking those goals down to week, monthly, weekly, daily.

834
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: It's an excellent journal, guys. If you haven't seen it,

835
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: you should check it out. But you know, checking in

836
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: to make sure you're not just passively going along with

837
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: a plan that was given to you and actually saying

838
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 3: do I feel better? Do I have less symptoms of

839
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: depression and anxiety? Is the medication working for me? Or

840
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 3: do I need to try something different? Six month still

841
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: the same, then it's probably not quite working for you.

842
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: So interesting because when you say listen, thank you for that,

843
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 1: that's all fucking fascinating. When you say on nearly half

844
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: the population is neurodivergent and just over half the population

845
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: is neurotypical, to me, it's like, well, then if that

846
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: many people are divergent, they're fucking typical. You know. It's like, well,

847
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: you know this is I don't mean this to sound cynical.

848
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: It isn't, but no, no, I get it. I think, Oh,

849
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: for all our wisdom and all our research and all

850
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: our DSM five you know, revelations and breakthroughs and now

851
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: we know this and that. To me, it seems like

852
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: we've got all this treatment, all these medications, all this knowledge,

853
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: all this research, all these papers, but we've never had

854
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: more depressed people, more anxious people, more people terrified of

855
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: their own fucking shadow. It's like like and more people

856
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: with I'm like, I don't know. It doesn't seem like

857
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: with this increase in knowledge, awareness, treatment options, research, it

858
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: doesn't seem we're getting better. It seems like we are

859
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: seeing more and more mental illness, mental health concerns, anxiety, depression.

860
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 2: And you only have to look at the rates of

861
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: suicide in young men to know that it's an absolute crisis.

862
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: What is it?

863
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 3: One in six men try to take their lives every minute.

864
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 3: It's like it's something great, Yeah, it's something crazy that

865
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 3: there's an absolute epidemic in young men, in particular with

866
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: mental illness. You're right, and it could be the way

867
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 3: we live. Maybe it's partly that little black box that

868
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: you constantly put in your pocket, that little phone of

869
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: yours that's constantly talking at you, or the TV that

870
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: we watch and the horrible you know, like the media

871
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: that tells you that you're not seen enough, you're not

872
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 3: pretty enough, you're not good looking enough, you're not anything enough.

873
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 3: But you need to buy this private product and you'll.

874
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: Be this thing.

875
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: And I always find it really interesting, Craig, you know,

876
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 3: with this these advertising, Like how many times go on Instagram?

877
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 3: How many times do you see ads to say, buy

878
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: this and you'll have whiter teeth and clearer eyes and shinier,

879
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 3: shinier noses, and we won't have as much axe in

880
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: your ears and you won't have you have perfect hair,

881
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: and you'll be perfectly skinny, and you'll have you know,

882
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 3: six minute ads and like everything, everything's telling you.

883
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 2: It's so easy, just buy this thing.

884
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 3: And then you walk down the street, and how often

885
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: do you see streets full of people who look like

886
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: the people on TV? Like, how often do you see

887
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: the people on TV just walk in the streets? Everyone

888
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: just looks normal. So if these things actually worked, don't

889
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 3: you think everyone would be walking away and walking around

890
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 3: with the longest, shiniest, amazing hair, whitest teeth, perfect skin,

891
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: no wrinkles.

892
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: But it's part of this, you know, this fallacy we

893
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: have with you know, the media telling us you're not

894
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: good enough. All the time.

895
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: I agree with you, but also I think, yeah, but

896
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: every single person listening to this has a brain, like

897
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think too many of us

898
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: confuse marketing and advertising with knowledge or information, like that

899
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: stuff that you spoke of. You're right, but it's not

900
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: their fault. It's like if I choose to go and

901
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: buy shit I don't need with money I don't have,

902
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: if I choose to go to McDonald's, if I choose

903
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: to spend twenty grand getting whiter teeth, if I choose

904
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: to sit on the couch, like at some stage we

905
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: need to stop blaming media and social media, like nobody

906
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: makes me pick up my phone thirty times a day.

907
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: You're right, Well, actually I don't know.

908
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,240
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Craig.

909
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 3: Are you telling our first our first argument ever?

910
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: But I know there's something to be said.

911
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: Don't talk over the top of me. You're not winning

912
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: that way. See it's not how he talks loudest. I

913
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: know what you're going to say about addiction and brain chemistry.

914
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: I get it, yeah, at but still still like I've

915
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: I've worked with addicts, I've worked with I worked with

916
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: addicts for three years. I've dealt with people with the

917
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: worst addictions, heroine being amongst it, and people who are

918
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: at death's door and have turned their life around in

919
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: the deepest, darkest addiction and now are fully operational, functional

920
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: and healthy. Right, you are right there is Phones and

921
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: screens can be very chemically addictive, of course, but at

922
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: the same time, like when do we stop going, Oh,

923
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: it's got nothing to do with me. It's not my faults.

924
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: It's not me, it's my genetics, it's not me, it's

925
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,439
Speaker 1: mum and dad. It's not me, it's the government. It's

926
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: not me, it's the advertising. Because we seem to live

927
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: in this culture where it doesn't matter what's going on.

928
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: It can't be my fault. Like at some stage we've

929
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: got to go yes, this is hard, Yes this is difficult.

930
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: But I mean my PhD is on self awareness. I

931
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: think self awareness is rare. I think like, let me

932
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: tell you, the biggest problem in Craiguper's life is Craig Up.

933
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: The biggest asset is Craig Up. Nobody makes me do anything. Now, Yes,

934
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: we can be predisposed to be more likely to become

935
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: an addict, or more likely to gain weight, or more

936
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: likely to have mental health issues, of course one no argument.

937
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: But beyond that, we still have this thing called free will.

938
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: We can make decisions, we can choose our behaviors, we

939
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: can decide what we do with our time. And there

940
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: will always be variables that are out of our control.

941
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: So let's invest no energy in that. Let's just acknowledge them.

942
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: And now let's let's invest energy in what is in

943
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: our control, the choices I make in action. I take

944
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: my mindset and yeah, you're right, but at some stage,

945
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: like I've never lived in a time where so many

946
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: people are so unwell, but it's got nothing to do

947
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: with them. Like, to me, that's bullshit, And that's not

948
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: about that's not about hating on people. That's about saying, hey,

949
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: it's got a bit to do with you. And yes,

950
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: you've been through some bullshit and it's hard, and I

951
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 1: agree with you, life's not fair and your genetic suck

952
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: and all of that. But still it's not compulsory that

953
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: you eat junk and drink junk. Steps down off soapbox.

954
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: No, I totally understand what you're saying about personal accountability,

955
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 3: and I agree. And the most predictive factor in whether

956
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 3: the success of the success of therapy is the person's

957
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: self felt efficacy, their belief that their behavior will affect

958
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: change your sense of self efficacy, My behavior will make

959
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 3: us change and how much you believe that to be true.

960
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 3: But I also, you know, one of the things I

961
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: kind of I always often wonder where psychiatry and psycho neurology,

962
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: you know, where's the line meet between them, and where

963
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 3: are they blurred?

964
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: Where are they overlapping?

965
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: Because you know, you think of some like a dyslexic child,

966
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 3: you know, and I see a lot of children. I

967
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 3: do a lot of dyslexia assessments. But if I was

968
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: to give an illiterate adult who has grown up with

969
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 3: very limited education and they have a neurodiverse brain where

970
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 3: the phonees and the graphines don't connect, they cannot connect

971
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 3: the letter h A makes an h sound, they cannot

972
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: connect them in their brain because the wiring is not

973
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 3: quite right for them. And we just gave them a

974
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 3: book and we said, you need our personal accountability and

975
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: you need to learn to read. And we just gave

976
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 3: them a book. You know that person still will not

977
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 3: be able to read. And it's not because they haven't tried.

978
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: It's not because they don't care it's not because then

979
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: put the effort in. It's probably because they are genuinely

980
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: genetically and you know, environmentally have grown up in and

981
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 3: hasn't fostered that part of their self development. And I

982
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 3: often wonder. I see a lot of children. I do

983
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 3: a lot of assessments with some amazing organizations like Life

984
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: Without Barriers and Berdican and some incredible, you know, co

985
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 3: incredible organizations who help young children with trauma who are

986
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: going into adulthood, who have had some really really awful,

987
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 3: awful life events occur to them. And you know, I'll

988
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: see them before they've turned when they're seventeen, on the

989
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 3: prespice of turning eighteen, and people are desperately trying to

990
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: get these assessments to show that, you know, there's cognitive

991
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: issues or neurodiverse issues, so that they can get funding

992
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: so they can then get safe accommodation in housing for

993
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 3: when they become an adult, because when they become eighteen,

994
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 3: they're an adult, and people are terrified for them for

995
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 3: when they suddenly go from you know, being a child

996
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: who's not responsible for making their decisions. You know, I'm

997
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: seventeen and three hundred and sixty four days and I'm

998
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 3: not responded. I'm a minor and I'm not responsible for

999
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: my decision, and I can't be tried as an adult

1000
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 3: in a court to eighteen one day and all of

1001
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 3: a sudden, overnight, I'm an adult and I'm expected to

1002
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: suddenly have the brain of an adult and the frontal

1003
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 3: lobes of an adult.

1004
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: I find it are really differ I don't.

1005
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: I find it a really difficult and troubling, troubling you know,

1006
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: thought to kind of grapple with, like when when are

1007
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 3: we responsible? When are we accountable? And almost always I

1008
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: can trace back, you know, somebody who has lacked accountability

1009
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 3: and self awareness to some pretty significant stuff that's happened

1010
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: for them when they were younger and continues to happen

1011
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 3: for them. And I do wonder whether you know the

1012
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 3: things in life that we have that we get to teach,

1013
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 3: that are teachers for us every day. The Instagram that

1014
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 3: teaches us, the TV that teaches us, the magazines that

1015
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: teach us, whether we're aware of it or not, that

1016
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: we're exposed to and primed by with this osmosis with

1017
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 3: the things around us in society, is it teaching us

1018
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 3: for betterment. Is it teaching us how to be healthy adults?

1019
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 3: Is it teaching us how to be accountable and self aware?

1020
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: I fear not.

1021
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 3: I fear it's more teaching us, you know, some other

1022
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: values in life that may not actually align to healthy living.

1023
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: But it's it's a tough topic.

1024
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,439
Speaker 1: I no, one hundred percent agree with you. But then

1025
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: I come back to what's in our control. So I

1026
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: can't control what's going to be on social media, government,

1027
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: mainstream media. So then you go, okay, well, what you

1028
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: can do is you cannot watch the news. You cannot

1029
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: be on Instagram. You could, that's optional. You cannot look

1030
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: at your phone for three hours a day. You cannot

1031
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: sit on the couch, that's optional. You could. You know,

1032
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: it still comes down to everything you're saying is true.

1033
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: And I am just as probably more flawed and more

1034
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: weak and more dysfunctional than most of our listeners right

1035
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: in that, you know, not a journey. It's not great genetics,

1036
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: all those things. But at some stage we've got to go,

1037
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 1: but what am I going to do with my life

1038
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: and the hour I do have and the skill that

1039
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: I do have, and the brain that I do have,

1040
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: and the potential that I do have because what do

1041
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: you just go, oh, I'm forty. Yeah, but you know,

1042
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: like even one of my friends is dyslexic, bad dyslexic,

1043
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: also multimillionaire business man. And I'm not saying so therefore

1044
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: he's great. I'm just saying, people figure it out. People

1045
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: figure it out.

1046
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 2: You know, I would say, how do we get that?

1047
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: How do we get that light bulb moment? How does

1048
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 2: that happen? What allows us to have that insight?

1049
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: But also think about this, you know, people like you

1050
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: and I for better or worse, we I mean, you

1051
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: do IQ testing on people, which you should. That's a

1052
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: normal part, you know, and we talk about. But intelligence

1053
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: is a spectrum. I mean, some people score low on

1054
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: an IQ test, but they're creative geniuses, or they're mechanical geniuses,

1055
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: or they can build a business, or they can they

1056
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: can paint shit, they can like it's fucking like, there

1057
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: are some people that you would say I have more

1058
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: intelligence then, But it depends on the task, It depends

1059
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: on the environment, it depends on the situation. You put

1060
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: me in some rooms, I go, okay, you put me

1061
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: in another room, I'm a moron. It's context dependent, do

1062
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so this whole idea

1063
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: that Hannah's got a one forty IQ, she's a genius. Yeah,

1064
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: then you throw her a ball and it hits her

1065
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: in the face or your hand, are a crying baby

1066
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 1: and she doesn't know what to do. She gets a

1067
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: flat tire and she stands on the side of the road,

1068
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: which I know.

1069
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 2: You wouldn't do any Oh, call my I'll call earlier.

1070
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 2: I'll call my dad.

1071
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: I know you would. We got to go. That was

1072
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: fun and I'm glad we had our first fight. And

1073
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's fifteen.

1074
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Speaker 3: Well okay, well look, let's let's save the next one

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Speaker 3: for next chat. I've got some exciting news to tell

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Speaker 3: you for next chat, because I yeah, just what's the

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Speaker 3: I'm giving what I'm just a teaser the teaser.

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Speaker 2: Hannah has some exciting news.

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Speaker 1: In media, we call that a hook. So before you

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Speaker 1: go the break, yeah or teaser?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly next week on the You project.

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Speaker 1: Coming up next week? Well if your friend next week,

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Speaker 1: we'll do another one. People tell people how to find you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so come find me.

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Speaker 3: I am the owner and lead traditioner at Sydney neuropsych

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Speaker 3: which is a neuropsychology practice. You can call us or

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Speaker 3: give us a ring, or come and some see the clinic.

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Speaker 3: Best way to get us is email. Just Addmin at

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Speaker 3: Sydney NP dot com or check me out on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I'm the no bullsych as in no bull twang you

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Speaker 3: know b U LLL no bullsych ps yich Hannah Coral.

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Speaker 3: Come and find me and let's have a chat. Tell

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Speaker 3: me what your opinion of our discussion today was and

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Speaker 3: which side of the fense do you work on?

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Speaker 2: Are you nature or nurture? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: N O b U double l not n O b

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Speaker 1: L e as in prize. Yeah, yeah, thank you, appreciate you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Doc.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Always fun, fun as a weeks

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Speaker 2: See you, Craig