WEBVTT - This One's For The BookTok Girlies... 

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<v Speaker 1>High Scrollers is produced on gaddigul Land.

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<v Speaker 2>We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this

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<v Speaker 2>country and Elder's past and present.

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<v Speaker 1>Always was, always will be Aboriginal Land.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, well kids, welcome happy Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you scrunching your face like that? What's going

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<v Speaker 3>on in your world?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Just the girls work.

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<v Speaker 2>She hates you, she hates well. In the main episode

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<v Speaker 2>this week, we had one of those weeks again where

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<v Speaker 2>we just spoke too much and didn't actually get to

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<v Speaker 2>any main topics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which we seem to do a lot. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's funny because when we first started

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<v Speaker 1>High Scrollers and Scrollers, if you want to do like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a trip down memory lane, you

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<v Speaker 1>should go back, and it's quite embarrassing, but you should

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<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to our first couple of main episodes. Well, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>when we first started, all we had was main episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>It was no close friends. If you go listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the first the first few, we were obviously new to

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<v Speaker 1>working with Nova. They were getting to know us, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we were so like topic focused and

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<v Speaker 1>we were like in every episode. Sorry, I just burned,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were like I had to make sure we like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it was just so different back then,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think. And now like Nova really trusts that

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<v Speaker 1>we know what we're doing and that we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about ourselves for most of the time and people will

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<v Speaker 1>love it. But we still obviously want to cover topics.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see Hannah's doing a funny smile. So you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to talk about this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Drama, book top drama. I don't know if everyone's across

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<v Speaker 2>this or not. Like, I don't know whether this is

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<v Speaker 2>like a niche little thing that not everyone knows about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it. I've seen a few videos.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Long Oh sorry, yeah, did you see she's doing like Constance?

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's Pride season, okay, so she's doing all the gay.

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<v Speaker 1>So who is this guy that we're talking about today?

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<v Speaker 2>So Luke Bateman, his his name is Luke's Reads and

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<v Speaker 2>he is originally a former NRL player apparently I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I've never seen this guy before besides on these tiktoks.

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<v Speaker 1>And also he looks like Shrek when Shrek turns into

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<v Speaker 1>a human. Yeah, don't correct.

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<v Speaker 3>People have said that literally.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also the Bachelor in twenty twenty three or

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<v Speaker 2>one of the Bachelor's I'm pretty sure there were. There

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<v Speaker 2>were maybe a couple of bachelors that year Bachelor, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was one of them, was he? Yeah, I don't remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure I watched that seat.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you show?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the season with the three bachelors?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I see, I'd.

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<v Speaker 1>Never watched that.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't watch that one. I watched the other one.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another season where they had three as well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I watched that one with one of them's name

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<v Speaker 2>was Thomas, and I can't remember the other ones. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>the point of the fact of the matter is he's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely had like a bit of a public following before

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<v Speaker 2>he made his debut into BookTalk. But twenty second of April,

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<v Speaker 2>It's first video went up on TikTok. It now has

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<v Speaker 2>over two million views. He literally got like one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand followers in less than a week and he makes

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<v Speaker 2>this video. We could play a little bit of it now.

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<v Speaker 3>My first ever TikTok video. I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just been introduced to the booktop community. One of

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<v Speaker 4>my friend's Gracy and carda shadow of Gacy and Carter.

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<v Speaker 3>Love books.

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<v Speaker 4>My entire life love fantasy. Fantasy is my main go

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<v Speaker 4>to love of all things fantasy.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never really had anywhere.

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<v Speaker 4>To talk about it or share those things because obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>being a male in a lot of blue collar work

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<v Speaker 4>and from the country, not a lot of emotional depth.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, shat enough, we're done. But you know that's

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<v Speaker 2>he came on with that. Now he looks gorgeous, he's rugged.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in a when Shrek turns into a person on a.

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<v Speaker 2>Fucking farm or something. I feel right up, Hannah's a.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you thinking? Yeah, this is the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>she likes.

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<v Speaker 2>She would she would anyway. The point is that's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>taken off. I've commented on the video at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can see your comment. I'm reading some of

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<v Speaker 1>the So this is literally just from April that he's

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<v Speaker 1>posed his first video. Blue Eyed Kayla Jade said, welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Another person said, I now identify as a book. You said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're on here, girls. Another person said, oh, the TikTok

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<v Speaker 1>girls is gonna love this. Another person said, are we

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<v Speaker 1>all in love with him or just me? Another person

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<v Speaker 1>said standing ovulation or whatever it's called.

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<v Speaker 3>Incredible. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>One said do you do you do weddings as like

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<v Speaker 1>the group, Yeah, it was, this made my whole week.

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<v Speaker 1>But hola god.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, BookTok went a bit fairer for him, and

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<v Speaker 2>understandably so like there's not really a man like him

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<v Speaker 2>on booktop. Book talk is a very is a space

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<v Speaker 2>that is very much queer and women and queer people

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<v Speaker 2>for the most part on book talk, and so him

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<v Speaker 2>coming on cracking one hundred thousand followers in like a

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<v Speaker 2>week was kind of it was there was a reaction

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<v Speaker 2>of obviously a lot of people being like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so exciting, and a lot of people also

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<v Speaker 2>being like, I've been doing BookTalk for five years and

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even crack ten thousand followers, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I put my heart and soul into this. But of

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<v Speaker 2>course a straight white man who's conventionally attractive comes on

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<v Speaker 2>and suddenly has all the success in the world. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a little bit of like not too much backlash,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little bit. So that was the twenty second

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<v Speaker 2>of April. He first uploaded that then a week ago,

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<v Speaker 2>so literally like let's say, just over a month after

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<v Speaker 2>he's started the BookTok account. He's then announced a two

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<v Speaker 2>book deal with Simon and Schuster's publisher at Trio Books.

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<v Speaker 1>Which so, how does this happen so quickly?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is the mystery that the Internet is currently

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<v Speaker 2>trying to and this is what has sent BookTalk into

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<v Speaker 2>a spiral, is because this doesn't just happen this quickly

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<v Speaker 2>and without you know, what people are saying is, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, he's been handed a two book deal by

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<v Speaker 2>a huge publisher. But he says in the video he

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to write the book. He hasn't written the book,

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't sent a manuscript. He sent them a floating idea. Evidently,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly from what people have gathered from the book sorry

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<v Speaker 2>from the video, is that the book doesn't exist. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's scored a two book deal, so he's given them

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<v Speaker 2>the concept. He's gone, hey, guys, this is what I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to do, and they've gone, that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 3>Sign us up.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably because of the success on BookTalk, et cetera. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously there are just so many authors out there,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as I said, queer women, people of color, who

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<v Speaker 2>are constantly writing books, have always wanted to be authors,

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<v Speaker 2>have full books written and ready to be published, but

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<v Speaker 2>no one will give them a chance, and this straight

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<v Speaker 2>white man has walked into the space that is usually

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<v Speaker 2>occupied by those people and has been given a deal

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<v Speaker 2>that most of them would only dream of. Granted, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people have been defending him, saying he was

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<v Speaker 2>an excellent nurl player and a ex bachelor, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>already had a public profile. Fair enough if this was

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<v Speaker 2>a memoir or this was like a self help or.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the fact that he's just going to write like

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<v Speaker 1>a full on fantasy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So fantasy is like the most critical and or

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<v Speaker 2>criticized and the most intric and the most you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because fantasy is like, you know, a romance book is

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<v Speaker 2>a romance book, is a romance book. You know, where

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<v Speaker 2>are they going? How have they met? They fall in love?

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<v Speaker 2>What happens next? Do they get married? Like it's very

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<v Speaker 2>much the same story but written a hundred different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas with fantasy is it does get the option to

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<v Speaker 2>be so intricate and so something no one has ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of before, and like, you know, these days, with

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy you do see people comparing things like the Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>Wing series to perhaps a Harry Potter or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hunger Games and taking inspiration from other places. I can

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<v Speaker 2>understand why BookTalk is in shambles over this man getting

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<v Speaker 2>this two book deal. He then also followed up on

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<v Speaker 2>the Morning Show or something and said something silly like

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's no barrier to reading and writing, which again

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<v Speaker 2>is such a straight white man either him.

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<v Speaker 1>To say if he's been just handed this opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, but he's like, there's no barrier to He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>if you can pick up a book or you can

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<v Speaker 2>pick up a pen. Like, if you can pick up

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<v Speaker 2>a book, you can read, and if you can pick

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<v Speaker 2>up a pen, you can write a book. What the

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<v Speaker 2>in what fucking world? Like maybe here in Australia where

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<v Speaker 2>you've been brought up in a good family, who's sent

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<v Speaker 2>you to school, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>There's kids that.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know how to read and write until whatever year

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<v Speaker 2>they're in. There are people in other countries who don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to read and write and will never learn,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So like that response obviously set a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people off as well, you know. And it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>because I also Dancing Queen. The whole thing about Dancing

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<v Speaker 2>Queen was no one would publish my memoir, so I

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<v Speaker 2>had to take it on the road. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's just really funny that like within the space of

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<v Speaker 2>a month he's been able to secure this deal, and

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand why everybody is so frustrated and upset.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Worldwide because BookTok is such a Remember before I was reading,

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<v Speaker 2>I went, how is Dimmicks and Q how are they

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<v Speaker 2>still in business?

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<v Speaker 3>Who's reading books? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>One's reading books? And then once you're actually you discover

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<v Speaker 2>book Top, You're like, oh my god, like everyone's reading

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<v Speaker 2>no wonder, these companies are thriving. So it's made headlines worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone is rightfully pissed about it, and I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know what is going to happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not really much of a fantasy reader either,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't know whether I'll read Luke's books. We

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<v Speaker 2>are friends on TikTok, so maybe I might send me

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<v Speaker 2>an arc. I like that, I'll give it a read,

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<v Speaker 2>let everyone know my opinions.

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<v Speaker 1>And well, I've seen people also like saying not nice

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<v Speaker 1>things about him online, about things that he's done.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really like what.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know specifics because I've just seen them and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of scroll past, but like women coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>the woodwork saying that, like he has been part of

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<v Speaker 1>like bad behaviors in relationships. Oh really yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>Then they're seeing much of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they're also saying that he's like this is an

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<v Speaker 1>industry plan.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so that I can see, Yeah, that I

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<v Speaker 2>can see.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's actually where we wanted to land with This

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<v Speaker 2>is basically that if you wanted, if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>think about it, think critically about it. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>book talk, in my opinion, was created because this book

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<v Speaker 2>deal may have already been maybe not already in the works,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't see them giving him a two book.

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<v Speaker 3>Deal without the BookTalk following.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think he's maybe been trying to get this

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<v Speaker 2>off the ground and it hasn't worked. So he's done

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<v Speaker 2>this to get something under his belt, like even him

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<v Speaker 2>thinking maybe I'll get ten thousand followers and that'll still

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<v Speaker 2>look better than zero, but then to get the success

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<v Speaker 2>that he's gotten, it's just kind of worked in his favor,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it was all now a ploy to

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, who can really tell at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day, we don't know. We're just hypothesizing here,

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I'm thinking, like, isn't it convenient? And I

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<v Speaker 2>would want to that video we played of his he goes, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend so and so and so and so told

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<v Speaker 2>me to get on BookTalk. I've never heard of BookTalk.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my first introduction to BookTalk. I'm thinking, who

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<v Speaker 2>are they? Are they? Is that your management? You never

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<v Speaker 2>said that were your friends? Is that your management telling

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<v Speaker 2>you get on BookTalk? Because managers will do that for talent.

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<v Speaker 2>They will go, you need to be on this app.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to be saying this. You need to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing this if you want to build a public profile there.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's entirely possible, and not saying this is what happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's entirely possible that this whole thing has been

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<v Speaker 2>a ruse from the start to get this book deal.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just bizarre that it's fantasy. He seems to have

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<v Speaker 2>been handed it after four weeks. That's crazy to me,

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<v Speaker 2>with no manuscript, no real fleshed out I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if there's a fleshed out plot or anything. He speaks

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<v Speaker 2>as if he hasn't written it yet and he's excited

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<v Speaker 2>to write it and go on the journey of writing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm just in like one of his other videos.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the comment it's all very mixed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, some people are very supportive yeah, and other people.

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<v Speaker 1>Alive like the amount of jealousy in this community is

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<v Speaker 1>shocking me. Happy for your success for those who don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Another comment for those who don't see the problem with this,

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<v Speaker 1>you are part of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem, which I think that it's less his fault more

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<v Speaker 2>the publisher's fault. I would argue that a Trio books

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<v Speaker 2>are the ones that fault here, not him. Any of

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<v Speaker 2>us would take that deal if it was handed to us.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be stupid to say no, I get it, get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that he has been put in this position

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<v Speaker 2>and given this opportunity, whether it is because he's a

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<v Speaker 2>straight white man or not, whatever, But the point is

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<v Speaker 2>he's been given the opportunity. I don't think it's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>of him to accept that and go on that journey.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is a bit of an eye roll towards

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<v Speaker 2>the publisher's Tria books to be handed it out so

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<v Speaker 2>willing now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it just shows that like followers everything, and

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter if someone's written ten books and been

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<v Speaker 1>writing for fifteen years. If a guy can just have

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of thousands of followers and say that he loves

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<v Speaker 1>reading books, you can get a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's crazy, don't you Reckon?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is, And then that makes.

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<v Speaker 2>Me also think, you know, I mean, we've all spoken

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<v Speaker 2>so much, especially you, I feel your whole career, have

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about the fact that influencers are dying. Our influencers

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<v Speaker 2>are going to die off. They're going to die off,

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to die off, and you think that's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>but then it's not. But then something like this happens

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<v Speaker 2>and goes again. It's just proved that followers mean everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's all anyone cares about at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the day. So I don't know, how do I feel

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<v Speaker 2>about it? Goodn't give a shit. If I'm honest, fantasy

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<v Speaker 2>is not my favorite genre. Will I be rushing out

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<v Speaker 2>to read Luke's book when it drops? Probably not, But

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<v Speaker 2>also in the same respect, like I might, just because

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to want to know what I think

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<v Speaker 2>about it. My friend's on TikTok if he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>send me an arc, feel free, But then it.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes me wonder, like does he know how to write

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<v Speaker 1>a book? Especially like a fantasy for Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the other thing. He's in the tractor all day,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure he also reads books.

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<v Speaker 3>But he made.

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<v Speaker 2>A he made a video about akata A Courd of

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<v Speaker 2>Thorns and Roses, which is a big book talk book,

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<v Speaker 2>and he revealed that he was listening to it in

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<v Speaker 2>the tractor. Now there's a big divide on book talk.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of our audio books.

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<v Speaker 1>Real books, I think, like I think they're podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's like the vibe is like, that's the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you if you've listened to the whole book,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, can you say I read the book because

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<v Speaker 2>it's a whole thing on like you know, obviously it's

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<v Speaker 2>an accessibility thing, so people who are blind can still

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy the same type of media and it's inclusive. Audiobooks

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<v Speaker 2>are inclusive, so we want to use inclusive language and

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<v Speaker 2>say yes, if you're listening to audiobooks, you can also

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<v Speaker 2>say that you've read. But I do think that it

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<v Speaker 2>is okay to acknowledge that they are different mediums and

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<v Speaker 2>different things, and it is way easier to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>an audiobook than it is to read. Yes, because him

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the tractor listening to Akata while he works

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<v Speaker 2>all day.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going, babes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not reading in the sense that it's not sitting

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<v Speaker 2>down and reading page by page by page.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just put it on one point five speed.

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<v Speaker 1>You can get through it a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Quicker, exactly. So I'm like, I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you can only listen to audiobooks, or

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<v Speaker 2>you choose to listen to audiobooks, I'm on the same

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<v Speaker 2>page that that means you know, you've you've read the book. Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's also important to acknowledge they're totally

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<v Speaker 2>different things. And so that was also a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an irol. There's just been a lot of controversy with

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<v Speaker 2>this guy since he's.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interested to see where it goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Me too, me too, and who knows where it goes?

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<v Speaker 3>But we might keep you updated. Who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Surely, Matt, when the book comes out, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the book. You're gonna do videos about it because they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna go viral. You're gonna milk his views.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I better, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd do the same if I was you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, then well let's start a content plan. Actually

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<v Speaker 2>we should probably go and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start a content you can be the industry plan

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<v Speaker 1>for us getting views out of his book, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what everyone's going to be doing too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, all right, okay, well I'm gonna have to go

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<v Speaker 2>and sort that out, so I'll see you next Tuesday.