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Speaker 2: We pay our respects to the traditional custodians of this

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well kids, welcome happy Friday.

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Speaker 3: What are you scrunching your face like that? What's going

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Speaker 3: on in your world?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Just the girls work.

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Speaker 2: She hates you, she hates well. In the main episode

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Speaker 2: this week, we had one of those weeks again where

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Speaker 2: we just spoke too much and didn't actually get to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which we seem to do a lot. I know.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's funny because when we first started

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Speaker 1: High Scrollers and Scrollers, if you want to do like

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a trip down memory lane, you

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Speaker 1: should go back, and it's quite embarrassing, but you should

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Speaker 1: go back and listen to our first couple of main episodes. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: when we first started, all we had was main episodes.

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Speaker 1: It was no close friends. If you go listen to

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Speaker 1: the first the first few, we were obviously new to

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Speaker 1: working with Nova. They were getting to know us, and

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Speaker 1: I feel like we were so like topic focused and

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Speaker 1: love it. But we still obviously want to cover topics.

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Speaker 1: I can see Hannah's doing a funny smile. So you

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about this book.

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Speaker 2: Drama, book top drama. I don't know if everyone's across

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Speaker 2: this or not. Like, I don't know whether this is

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Speaker 2: like a niche little thing that not everyone knows about it.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've seen a few videos.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so basically.

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Speaker 1: Long Oh sorry, yeah, did you see she's doing like Constance?

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Speaker 2: Well it's Pride season, okay, so she's doing all the gay.

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Speaker 1: So who is this guy that we're talking about today?

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Speaker 2: So Luke Bateman, his his name is Luke's Reads and

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Speaker 2: he is originally a former NRL player apparently I don't know.

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Speaker 1: See, I've never seen this guy before besides on these tiktoks.

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Speaker 1: And also he looks like Shrek when Shrek turns into

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Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, don't correct.

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Speaker 3: People have said that literally.

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Speaker 2: He was also the Bachelor in twenty twenty three or

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Speaker 2: one of the Bachelor's I'm pretty sure there were. There

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Speaker 2: he was one of them, was he? Yeah, I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I watched that seat.

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Speaker 3: Can you show?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 1: Is it the season with the three bachelors?

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Speaker 1: Never watched that.

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Speaker 3: I didn't watch that one. I watched the other one.

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Speaker 2: There was another season where they had three as well,

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Speaker 2: was Thomas, and I can't remember the other ones. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: the point of the fact of the matter is he's

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Speaker 2: he made his debut into BookTalk. But twenty second of April,

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Speaker 2: It's first video went up on TikTok. It now has

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Speaker 2: this video. We could play a little bit of it now.

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Speaker 3: My first ever TikTok video. I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: I've just been introduced to the booktop community. One of

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Speaker 4: my friend's Gracy and carda shadow of Gacy and Carter.

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Speaker 4: My entire life love fantasy. Fantasy is my main go

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Speaker 1: He's in a when Shrek turns into a person on a.

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Speaker 1: What are you thinking? Yeah, this is the guy that

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Speaker 2: She would she would anyway. The point is that's obviously

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Speaker 1: we're on here, girls. Another person said, oh, the TikTok

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Speaker 2: So yes, BookTok went a bit fairer for him, and

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Speaker 2: on booktop. Book talk is a very is a space

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Speaker 2: being like, I've been doing BookTalk for five years and

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Speaker 2: he's started the BookTok account. He's then announced a two

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Speaker 2: book deal with Simon and Schuster's publisher at Trio Books.

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Speaker 1: Which so, how does this happen so quickly?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the mystery that the Internet is currently

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Speaker 2: trying to and this is what has sent BookTalk into

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Speaker 2: and without you know, what people are saying is, first

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Speaker 2: lot of people have been defending him, saying he was

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Speaker 2: an excellent nurl player and a ex bachelor, so he's

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Speaker 2: already had a public profile. Fair enough if this was

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Speaker 1: Like the fact that he's just going to write like

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Speaker 2: Okay, So fantasy is like the most critical and or

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Speaker 1: To say if he's been just handed this opportunity.

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Speaker 2: in what fucking world? Like maybe here in Australia where

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Speaker 3: And it's gone.

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Speaker 2: Worldwide because BookTok is such a Remember before I was reading,

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Speaker 3: Who's reading books? Now?

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Speaker 2: One's reading books? And then once you're actually you discover

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Speaker 2: Everyone is rightfully pissed about it, and I don't really

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: so I don't know whether I'll read Luke's books. We

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Speaker 2: an arc. I like that, I'll give it a read,

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Speaker 2: let everyone know my opinions.

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Speaker 1: And well, I've seen people also like saying not nice

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Speaker 1: things about him online, about things that he's done.

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Speaker 3: Oh really like what.

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Speaker 1: I don't know specifics because I've just seen them and

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Speaker 1: like bad behaviors in relationships. Oh really yeah, and.

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Speaker 3: Then they're seeing much of that.

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Speaker 1: Then they're also saying that he's like this is an

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that I can see, Yeah, that I

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Speaker 2: book talk, in my opinion, was created because this book

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Speaker 3: Deal without the BookTalk following.

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Speaker 2: But I think he's maybe been trying to get this

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This is my first introduction to BookTalk. I'm thinking, who

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Speaker 2: They will go, you need to be on this app.

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Speaker 2: You need to be saying this. You need to be

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Speaker 2: So it's entirely possible, and not saying this is what happened,

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Speaker 2: It's just bizarre that it's fantasy. He seems to have

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Speaker 2: with no manuscript, no real fleshed out I don't know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just in like one of his other videos.

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Speaker 1: Now the comment it's all very mixed.

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Speaker 1: Another comment for those who don't see the problem with this,

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Speaker 2: Problem, which I think that it's less his fault more

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Speaker 2: the publisher's fault. I would argue that a Trio books

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Speaker 2: It'd be stupid to say no, I get it, get that.

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Speaker 2: I get that he has been put in this position

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Speaker 1: I think it just shows that like followers everything, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if someone's written ten books and been

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Speaker 2: But that's crazy, don't you Reckon?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is, And then that makes.

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Speaker 2: Me also think, you know, I mean, we've all spoken

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Speaker 2: They're going to die off, and you think that's happening,

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Speaker 2: about it. My friend's on TikTok if he wants to

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Speaker 2: send me an arc, feel free, But then it.

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Speaker 1: Makes me wonder, like does he know how to write

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Speaker 2: A he made a video about akata A Courd of

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Speaker 2: In terms of our audio books.

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Speaker 2: So that's like the vibe is like, that's the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm going, babes.

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Speaker 2: That's not reading in the sense that it's not sitting

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Speaker 1: You can just put it on one point five speed.

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Speaker 1: You can get through it a lot.

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Speaker 3: Quicker, exactly. So I'm like, I totally get that.

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Speaker 2: but I think it's also important to acknowledge they're totally

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see where it goes.

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Speaker 3: Me too, me too, and who knows where it goes?

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Speaker 3: But we might keep you updated. Who knows?

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Speaker 1: Surely, Matt, when the book comes out, you're gonna get

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Speaker 1: the book. You're gonna do videos about it because they're

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Speaker 1: gonna go viral. You're gonna milk his views.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I better, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'd do the same if I was you.

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Speaker 2: All Right, then well let's start a content plan. Actually

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Speaker 2: we should probably go and do that.

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Speaker 1: Let's start a content you can be the industry plan

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Speaker 1: for us getting views out of his book, because that's

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Speaker 1: what everyone's going to be doing too.

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Speaker 2: Wow, all right, okay, well I'm gonna have to go

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Speaker 2: and sort that out, so I'll see you next Tuesday.