WEBVTT - Sharri | 22 July 0:00:01.320 --> 0:00:05.240 Live on Sky News. This is Shari. 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:09.879 Worky to the show, Steep Price filling in sitting in 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:12.120 the chief of Shari all this week on a day, 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.560 of course, when the forty eighth Parliament of Australia finally 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:18.959 got back to business after a ten week siesta following 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.319 that thumping labor win on May tenth. Watching some of 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.680 the messages of welcome back and paying tribute to re 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:29.400 elected Speaker Milton Dick did make me think that they 0:00:29.520 --> 0:00:32.879 and I mean federal politicians, safe in their little camera 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:37.479 bubble on hefty salaries and generous superannuation schemes, paid for 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.760 travel and subsidized accommodation, they don't really get how tough 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.120 it is today for so many people in wider Australia. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.320 Might've been too cynical, probably, but camera is not the 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.920 real world. On that, and coming up tonight on Sharhi, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:56.840 the great twenty twenty five election swindle that was Medicare 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:59.840 and the promise by the Prime Minister that the only 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.120 card you'll need it your GP is your Medicare card, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.640 not your credit card. Really more about that in just 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.440 a moment. Plus Australia and twenty other countries have signed 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.880 a joint statement calling for an immediate end to what 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:17.840 our government has called the inhumane killing of Palestinians in Gaza. 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.400 We'll get the view of former Israeli Ambassador Dave Shama 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.160 on that. And at the same time, Victoria's first Jewish Governor, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.080 Linda Dessau, on a podcast with my old colleague Neil Mitchell, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:34.160 has called out protesting hate speech and she wants action first. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.960 Though tonight and I mentioned this the election medi Scare 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:42.040 campaign ten weeks ago that saw millions of Australians fall 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:45.640 for a stunt so blatantly false that we should all 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.120 now feel pretty stupid. At the start of that campaign 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:52.880 that saw Labor returned to government with a massive majority, 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:56.480 the Prime Minister, almost on day one, and presumably acting 0:01:56.520 --> 0:02:00.720 out some rehearsed campaign theme, pulled out his own little 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:05.240 green Medicare card and utter these words, all you should 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.400 need to see a doctor for free in Australia is 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.320 your Medicare card, not your credit card. Here he was 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:15.320 time and time again. Now, the first time I saw it, 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.720 I thought, here we go again, another election, another Medicare 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:22.320 scare campaign. Surely no one will fall for that a 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.880 second time. Well, how wrong was I I mean, anyone 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.200 who's been to the doctor in many places around Australia 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.720 know that finding a bog billing practice that doesn't have 0:02:32.880 --> 0:02:36.320 a gap payment you make up yourself is about as 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:39.120 hard as the Prime Minister getting a meeting with Donald Trump. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.600 But there he was all over the country, Anthony Albaneze 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:46.920 promising this falsehood that only he can get you free 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.800 time with the GP. And he went further, suggesting another 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:54.000 lie that Peter Dutton, the Opposition leader, was planning to 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.200 quote cut bog billing off at the knees and that 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:01.359 a coalition government would quote dismantle media care. I mean 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:05.960 it was a discipline display of political bastardry and Albanizy 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.480 knew he was making stuff up, but clearly many naive 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.760 Australians actually wanted to believe this stuff and did well. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.359 Fantasy always has a way of coming crashing back to earth. 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:21.040 The Australian Newspaper, on page one today called out the 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:26.320 reality of that political spin. They reveal that nearly twenty 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.239 five percent of doctors one in four clinics doctors clinics 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.240 will not take up the Medicare bulk billy incentive and 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:39.080 who says so, well, surprise, surprise, the Department of Health. Yes, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.560 the bureaucrats who run the department have sent that assessment 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.800 to the Minister of Health Mark Butler. Now, if I 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.760 take you back to last February, three months before the election, 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:52.760 Labor announced it would spend eight point five billion dollars 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:56.960 of your money to deliver eighteen million, eighteen million more 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.880 GP visits a year. I mean, see how those figures 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.600 they just slide off the tongue. These people can say 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.080 anything they like to get elected, but can they deliver 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.280 once back in office. Well, the public servants are in 0:04:09.880 --> 0:04:12.800 written on paper say it's not going to happen. The 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.040 devil was always in the detail. The funding was to 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.960 be spread over four years and aimed, remember that word, 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:23.640 aimed to deliver bulk billing rates of ninety percent by 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.120 twenty thirty. Well, that's after two more elections, So we 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.039 can keep this fantasy idea running through until then. I 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.240 presume these pesky public servants. By the way, we're also 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:37.200 telling some home truths, like how bulk billing services had 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:40.880 wait for it halved in the past three years, down 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:44.479 to twenty six percent of all clinics, so much for 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.039 the little green card. I'd suggest very clearly you don't 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:56.000 throw away that credit card just yet accident. Let's bring 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.160 in our first panel for tonight. I've delighted that former 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.200 Speaker of the House prom and Bishop is with us, 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.360 and former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes joins us as well. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.480 You two can take turns bashing up the government here. 0:05:07.279 --> 0:05:09.320 I'll start with you, Broman. How is it that we 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.680 can go through a full election campaign making stuff up 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.760 about Medicare, telling lies about medi Scare and what the 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.760 coalition would do, and we all know that it's not correct. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.039 How can you just actually stand up there and do 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.240 that day after day? 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.320 Because the whole campaign by the Labor Party was based 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:30.600 on lies, all of it. I mean, Chalmers told us 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.360 that the budget was in great shape after the election. 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.920 It's not sustainable, but this Medicare thing, there was an 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.720 opportunity there for the opposition to do something about it. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:43.600 And you know at that first debate that Sky conducted 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.359 when he headed up the card, petered it up and 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:48.960 said well, did you also have to use your credit card? 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:51.479 And the woman said yes, Well let me tell you 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:54.120 I just picked up this. I had to attend to 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.080 doctor surgery recently to get a little frozen thing on 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:02.320 my wrist and one hundred and thirty dollars Medicare benefit 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:07.359 twenty one. I needed my credit card, not my Medicare card. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:12.920 So the whole contention that the Prime Minister went on 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.159 with was just one simple, great big lie. Twenty five 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.440 percent of people of doctors are not going to do 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:24.599 it because they simply can't afford to. So I just 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:27.960 didn't understand why the Opposition didn't take up the opportunity 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:31.880 to have a whole phalanx of demonstrators outside where he 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.560 was making a statement about his little Medicare card and saying, look, 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.200 it's not true, we need our credit card. There was 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.279 an opportunity there for a whole campaign to be framed, 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.640 but it didn't happen. I just don't know what happened 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.680 to the campaign for the opposition, Holly. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:52.760 I mean Bromin's right. This is the second campaign in 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:56.919 a row where a medi scare has worked, So you 0:06:56.920 --> 0:07:01.440 would think after the Coalition got done over by the 0:07:01.480 --> 0:07:03.880 first time round, they would have been ready the second 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:06.720 time around and would have immediately jumped on top of 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.680 Anthony Albanesi and say stop telling lies to people about Medicare. 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.520 Yeah, but the problem is Steve and bromwhen he is 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.520 one hundred percent correct, that we have a media who 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.400 is just completely enable to ever tell the truth or 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:22.880 actually highlight the lies that were being told. 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.240 Medicare BULT billing. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:29.320 Rates continued to decline right throughout the Labor Government's first 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.240 term of government, and this was absolutely on display for 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.920 everybody to see that every time Albanezi held up that 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.880 Medicare card, absolutely no one in the media pack traveling 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.480 with him ever challenged him. There was no coverage challenging 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.040 what the actual BULT billing rates are and the Medicare 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:51.240 Scare campaign, unfortunately, I think, has done real damage when 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:54.520 it comes to the Coalition and their ability to actually 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.560 have a conversation about Medicare. Medicare is a system that 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.440 is almost fundamentally broken now when you look when it 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.440 was set up under Whitlam versus now and the developments 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:07.600 we've seen in healthcare, particularly preventive healthcare, and how the 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:08.720 system is working. 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:10.560 It's not fit for purpose. 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:14.560 But unfortunately, no one is ever prepared to ever have 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.400 a conversation about this. And as soon as the Coalition 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:22.480 mentioned medicare, it turns into medi scare Mark two three 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:27.360 four five. It is just obscene that Albinezy is consistently 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:29.800 allowed to get away with these lies. 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.120 And then after the election the media. 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.280 Goes, oh, my goodness, what a shock that this actually 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:36.240 is never going to occur. 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.200 I mean, any. 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.040 Blind Freddie that had been following politics the last three 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.880 years could have told you it was never going to occur, 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:45.640 but no one ever challenged him about that. 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:46.280 That's why we. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.320 Needed a can You would have hoped that you would 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.480 have hoped, Brombin, that the AMA, the doctors might have 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:53.160 come out and said, well, hang in a minute, this 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.920 still is not as good as you're trying to make 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:58.080 out it is. We're not going to bulk build. Why 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:58.920 didn't they do that? 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:04.640 Because the AMA, I'm afraid, aren't the AMA that used 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.480 to be under Brenda Nelson for instance, seems to be 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:12.960 a different animal these days. And I'm saying that when 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.479 you're in a fight as the opposition, you as the opposition, 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.600 have to craft your campaign to make the most of 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:24.720 the to point out to people where the government is 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:29.720 telling lies. Now, if you had a demonstration of a 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:32.000 few hundred people that you managed to put together or 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.520 even one hundred people. There's something there that's going to 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:39.200 be captured in the mainstream media even if they don't 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:40.040 like the policy. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.360 So but there were doctors Bromwin that did come out 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:45.480 saying they were not going to be able to bill 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:46.000 at this rate. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:47.160 Doctors were saying that. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.040 I remember there was one particular female doctor who came 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.080 out and said, this is an absolute fallacy. 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:55.880 But why is the government verbaling how I'm going to 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:57.200 run my practice. 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:00.040 Yet it got minimal coverage unless you live in the 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.400 the world we do, where we follow it so closely. 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.240 It's just not being picked up because it's not a 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:09.800 sexy thirty second or twenty second TikTok video with albneasy 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:10.920 and a Medicare card. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:12.560 Well, this is true. 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.800 Maybe what we needed to do was dress someone up 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.360 as a Medicare card and get them to stand outside 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:20.880 Anthony Albanesi's media conference every time he spoke and said, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:22.240 you're telling lies about me. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.840 Absolutely right, Steve I suggested having a bunch of demonstrators. 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:29.400 Your idea is pretty good too. But the fact of 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:30.959 the matter was it was just let go through to 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:31.440 the keeper. 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:37.600 Let's talk about the green energy obsession of this government. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:41.199 I mean we're now I've got neighbors fighting neighbors all 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.199 around Australia over these wind turbines. I mean there was 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.040 a meeting down in southern New South Wales just at 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:51.240 the weekend. James Willis talked about it with us on 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.080 the program last night. Been along and bounding are being 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.360 torn apart by it. I was in a place called 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.720 Rookwood at the weekend. I saw one hundred and twenty 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.880 two wind turbines, you know, as tall as the crown 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.360 towers in Sydney, around a small village of two hundred people, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:12.800 so you know, almost one turbine for each person. This 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:17.400 has just got completely out of control, Holly. The rural 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.360 communities are again being let down by the federal government, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.920 the state government and local councils all to put these 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.920 things up. It's just such a dreadful thing. It's going 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.400 to get out of a lot worse, I reckon. 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.680 But again it's just lies that are being told and 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:34.040 there's very little coverage of what the reality is. We 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.520 were coming home from Canandra on the wekend back to 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.000 Sydney and the entire landscape when you looked out over 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.040 what used to be absolutely amazing farming land in the 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.920 central West. At the top of every single hill, I 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.000 couldn't even cowt how many wind. 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:50.920 Turbines there were. 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.480 And it is rural and regional communities who are bearing 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:56.160 the brunt of this transition. They're bearing the brunt of 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:01.000 the transmission lines going through their properties, devaluing theirties and. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.360 Costing the Australian taxpayer. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.920 Billions, if not ultimately a trillion dollars for something that 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:11.400 in effect is destroying our grid. We are tying our 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.360 hands both hands behind our back when we're trying to 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:17.679 compete on the international stage with our energy costs going 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.680 through the roof. There's wind turbines on e turn about 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:25.120 thirty percent of the time. The cold generation has to 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.400 continue regardless of whether the wind's blowing or the sun shining, 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.480 because you can't ramp coal up and on at any 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.480 different given moments, so your missions are exactly the same. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:40.480 The Australian people are being sold an absolute pup and 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:44.080 it's because the energy system is so complex. It again, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:47.920 isn't a TikTok video that it can explain the energy 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.240 system to the Australian people and they're told by people 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:53.600 in the cities that they're going to get free or 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:57.079 cheap energy through this renewable that it's cheap on free 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.600 energy from the sun and the wind, and it is 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.719 an hour and out line. And I mean, don't even 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.920 get me started on the Chinese inverters, on the solar system. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.160 Where we're giving access to our energy grid to someone 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.640 who is a foreign sovereign power is it is insanity 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.880 on steroids. Yet the average puntry in the street would 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:20.760 have absolutely no idea about the complexity. And my heart 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:24.160 goes out to these communities that are being whipped apart 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.840 with these god awful wind turbines. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.480 They're an absolute blight on the landscape. And yet you 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:31.120 know what they do. 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:36.600 They put in wind turbine viewing platforms. I saw a 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 couple of signs to them coming back the back way 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.800 through Manduram from Canandre who wants to stand on a 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:45.679 platform and look at bloody wind turbines. 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:52.000 The problem bromin the situation here is, of course, you know, 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.680 had the Governor general stand up there today and talk 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:58.320 about the next three years under labor, and she talked 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.280 about how labor is determined by twenty thirty to have 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.480 eighty five percent of our energy come from renewables. I mean, 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.080 it's not going to happen, but we're going to create 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.000 this huge mess. We haven't even talked about transmission lines. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.439 They're just as buddy bad as what the turbines are. 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:17.560 Well, that's the problem, Steve. But if we look at 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.280 the specific problem and yes, those turbines are all going 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.800 to be coming from China. Now, what went on with 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:30.400 mister Alberinezi in his two hour chat with President z 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:34.960 The Chinese Communist Party rule in China has an economy 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.040 which is in not good shape. What agreement was brought 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.560 about about more and more of these coming from China? 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:45.400 And will they be able to control our energy system? 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.520 As for the transmission lines, that is a huge expense. 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.360 Huge We've got three big expenses so called rewiring Australia, 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.040 the NDIS and defense. We can't afford all three. If 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.880 we go back to have being a sensible, affordable policy 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:06.880 of using our own resources instead of exporting them away 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:10.560 for others and using our fossil fuels and having cheap 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:14.880 electricity again, then we can afford to increase our defense expenditure, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.360 which we're going to have to do, and we can 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.640 afford the NDIS. But the way the government is going 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.520 this country is going to reckon ruin over a long 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.600 over a shorter period of time than people might have 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.440 once thought. So I just think there has to be 0:15:29.480 --> 0:15:36.040 a reality check against this prohibition about utilizing our own gas, 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.480 about keeping our coal fire power stations going here in 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:42.440 New South Wales, if it wasn't a Queensland, our lights 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:45.800 would be going out. We're talking about subsidizing our aminium 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.360 smelters which have been creating lots of jobs for people 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:53.040 and exports, but now because of the cost of electricity, 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.960 they're no longer feasible, so we are being denuded. We're 0:15:57.000 --> 0:15:59.720 going right back to being a farm and a mine 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:03.440 as the only source of revenue. And this government seems 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:08.680 determined to destroy small family farms or even larger family firms, 0:16:08.720 --> 0:16:11.720 because they're going to destroy them with their super tax, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:17.960 and they're destroying them with this appalling turbines that they're 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:20.240 putting in place, which let me tell you, each of 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.000 those two boys needs a lot of oil to make 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.640 it work, and only last years. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.760 Absolute disgrace. I mean, just for you, go Bromin, you 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.600 did the difficult job of speaker. What did you make 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:37.680 of the speaker being re elected? Today's Milton Dicks have 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:38.640 been doing a good job. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.880 Yes, I think he has, and I must say he's 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.640 extended a courtesy to me, which I've appreciated very much 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:50.320 as a former speaker. I was invited to go down today, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:55.000 but I had other commitments that wasn't possible. But I 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.240 think he is a fair speaker. 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:01.360 Holly, what do you think. 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:03.680 So declare an interest. 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.200 Milton's been one of my best mates for over twenty 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:06.880 years and. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:09.240 It was his birthday yesterday, so I was nice. 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:12.119 He's got a belated birthday present being really re elected 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:14.240 at speaker. I think the fact he's throwing more of 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.040 his own momb than anybody else out shows he does 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.320 try and actually an impartiality. He's probably also one of 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:24.640 the nicest guys you'll meet in politics. Absolutely doubt there's 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.040 not anyone I know that's pretty much universally liked across 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.560 the board, and that would be Milton. So I think 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.960 it's a great peak and I'm glad that he's re elected, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.919 and well done Pauline for nominating Pocock today against Soul Lions. 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.560 But unfortunately didn't have the fortitude. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:43.760 I was just scared to say. With regard to Milton, 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.120 he did send to throw out some of the same 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.040 people I used to throw out. 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.840 Some things never change, Ollie Broman, thank you very much. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.880 I'll catch you. So now it's Anthony Albanie's official first 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.240 day back in Canberra. As we said, now this was 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.800 a chance for the minister to do something different and 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.640 show you know, some courage, some leadership. But it looks 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.520 like it's going to be another three years of undermining Israel. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.320 Now the Labor government has slapped its name on a 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.879 declaration condemning Israel for its actions in Gaza, along with 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:19.280 I think it's twenty twenty five other countries. Now, as 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:22.679 if that wasn't bad enough, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke 0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:25.440 then had to twist the knife. Take a look at this. 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:31.200 We've seen too many images of children being killed, of 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:37.640 horrific slaughter, of churches being bombed. The images that we've 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.639 seen have been pretty clear that so much of this 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:45.920 is indefensible. And as that statement referred to aid being 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:48.720 drip fed in, none of the changes the fact that 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.000 the hostages need to be released. Of course, that needs 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.400 to happen, but what we are watching on the other 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.359 side of the world is indefensible. 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.600 They also always say truth is the first casualty of 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.600 any war. Liberal Senator and former Ambassador Israel Dave Sharma 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:06.800 has been kind enough to join us. David, what did 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:11.639 you make in Australia putting its name to that declaration. 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.639 Look, I don't think we should have done it in 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.520 blunt terms. I think if we've got concerns about how 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.879 Israel is conducting itself, we should express those privately. But 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:25.840 my view here is there is a ceasefire proposal on 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:29.360 the table that the US has formulated along with Katara, 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.040 along with Egypt, that Israel has agreed to that would 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:34.800 allow for the release of at least some of the hostages, 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:39.600 the release of several hundred Palestinian prisoners, the full resumption 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:43.720 of humanitarian assistance. And it's Hamas that steadfastly refuses to 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:46.440 accept that ceasefire deal, as has been the case now 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.639 over several months. So I would like to see an 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.359 end to the fighting. I'm sure many people around the 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.200 world would, but we need two parties to agree to that. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:56.440 One is Israel, the other one is Hamas and Hamas 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.600 thus far is refusing to do so. 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.560 Well, the US reaction was pretty blunt, and I think 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.720 they described it as disgraceful agreement. I mean, here we 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:11.720 are again doing something completely different to what our key 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:17.520 ally is doing. What do you think I saw some 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.720 Israeli comments about this. I mean they just must be 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.719 shaking their heads when they considered Australia and you were 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:26.679 there as the ambassador, as one of their great friends 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:27.240 in the world. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.399 Well, look, we did used to have a very close 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.879 and supportive relationship. Didn't mean we agreed on everything. Sometimes 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:38.199 we had quite blunt and frank disagreements in private. But 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.880 you know, when it came to existential questions, Israel's right 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.920 to exist, Israel's right to defend itself against terrorism, is 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.199 right in this instance, to recover its hostages. You know, 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:52.959 we were fully supportive of them because those reflected Australian values, 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:57.200 Australian priorities, and Australian interests. And I think the only 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.240 way you can interpret, you know, this statement, like many 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:03.280 before it is it's not really about changing the reality 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.960 on the ground. You know, Hamas is not listening, ISAs 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.680 not listening. It's about messaging to a domestic audience here 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:10.359 in Australia. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:18.159 How do we pick apart what's reality and what's propaganda? 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.800 I mean, I know that's a difficult question. But you know, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:26.159 we see media coverage from the Palestinian side and we 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.479 see media coverage from the Israeli side. How does a 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.640 normal person wanting to understand what exactly is going on 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.760 supposed to work out what's the truth? 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:42.199 Look, it's very difficult, and you know, I have a 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.800 lot of contacts and experience in the region, but I 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:47.240 struggle with that sometimes as well. I mean you've got 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.120 to remember, though, that all the news that's coming out 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.560 of Gaza, you know, there's no independent international journalists in there. 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.199 They're either al Jazeer or affiliated with Hamas or in 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:00.960 some way linked to the Muslim Brotherhood move and they 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:03.640 have a particular narrative or world view that they are 0:22:03.640 --> 0:22:06.960 trying to portray and put across and it's hard to 0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:09.800 get an outsider, independent view of what's going on. I mean, 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.920 by all means, the Israeli media has a different perspective 0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.960 which they offer, but they don't always have people in 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.320 on the ground in Gaza. So I think there's no 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.040 doubt that it's a difficult situation for the civilian. 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:22.280 Population in Gaza right now. 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.320 But you know, you hear different reports about the level 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.280 of hardship, humanitarians suffering, how much food is going in, 0:22:28.359 --> 0:22:31.879