WEBVTT - Your emergency World Cup bluffer’s guide

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>live right now at the Australian dot com dot au.

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<v Speaker 1>For the dilettantes and the distracted, it's time to start

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention. Australias into the round of sixteen in the

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<v Speaker 1>FIFA World Cup with a must win match.

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<v Speaker 2>Against Egypt early on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Today are football expert Josh Whittington is here with a

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<v Speaker 1>bluffer's guide. He'll break down the unexpected delights of this

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup, how the global superstars stack up, and whether

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<v Speaker 1>soccer is ready to truly take on league and Aussie

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<v Speaker 1>rules For Australian's hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh is here in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys passing annotation, Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Says the goal for the whole lots of finish there

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<v Speaker 3>it is another high point. If the soccer is World Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Journy, Well, for those of us who haven't been paying

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the fee for World Cup until right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's business time. Suddenly we have to lock on the

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<v Speaker 1>soccer whos are playing on the weekend and the games

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<v Speaker 1>are getting to the business end of the tournament. I've

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<v Speaker 1>brought in Josh Whittington, who's one of the Australians soccer experts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he would object to that title, just purely

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<v Speaker 1>because I used the word soccer to tell us if

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't been paying attention until now, what to pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to, if the soccer us have any chance and

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<v Speaker 1>why this tournament has been so much more fun than

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<v Speaker 1>anyone expected. Josh, let's start with the easy part. Do

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<v Speaker 1>the soccer US have any chance of winning their game

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<v Speaker 1>on early Saturday morning Australian time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, firstly, thank you for having me on, because I've

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<v Speaker 3>known you for a long time and this is the

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<v Speaker 3>first time you've invited me on to the front, so

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<v Speaker 3>I'm very privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you'll find I've invited you on many times,

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<v Speaker 1>but you've always been mysteriously too busy.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Football World Cup, we should be excited because

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<v Speaker 3>we are a definite chance of going through against Egypt.

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<v Speaker 3>So for people that aren't necessarily aware of Egypt, they've

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<v Speaker 3>got a couple of very well known players, one most

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<v Speaker 3>Sala who would be known to most football fans past

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<v Speaker 3>the one two school legitt and a couple of other ones,

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<v Speaker 3>one from man City called Omama Mush who's very good

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<v Speaker 3>as well. This is my Mush and.

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<v Speaker 2>He scampers away from Nathan and court.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Mama Mush. But they are very beatable and as

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<v Speaker 3>far as a drawer to get into the last sixteen

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<v Speaker 3>of the World Cup, it's pretty good. So the timing

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<v Speaker 3>of the game is not great. Four o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 3>morning on a Saturday, so you're gonna have to get

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<v Speaker 3>up early and put your cup of tea on, or

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<v Speaker 3>for the younger fans you maybe leave the night club

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<v Speaker 3>at three am and to just keep going. But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>get excited because we could win this game.

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<v Speaker 2>The soccer RWs have had a long and sort of

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<v Speaker 2>storied history.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's got their hopes up a few times about the

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<v Speaker 1>soccer ruse and they've never quite captured. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>national heart as well as the Matildas have.

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<v Speaker 2>Cot be mine to take Samka, I never Tilda's why

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<v Speaker 2>they've never mean football.

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<v Speaker 3>No Australian team has ever reached the World Come semi final.

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<v Speaker 1>Every single person in this country, you are part of

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<v Speaker 1>this week?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this the moment where they eclipse the women and

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<v Speaker 1>proves that they're really worth following?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's a good question. You know what, before this

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<v Speaker 3>tournament started, I would even say as a football fan,

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<v Speaker 3>I probably knew more of the Matillas than this current team.

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<v Speaker 3>So is that going to change? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think they have many superstars, but they are young,

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<v Speaker 3>so I would say this tournament's maybe a step too

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<v Speaker 3>early for them. But for you time, this team could

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<v Speaker 3>be really good, so let's hope they win. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think this is going to have a major change on

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<v Speaker 3>football in Australia because really what you need for the

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<v Speaker 3>game to grow bigger is big superstars, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure we have them right at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The last game that the soccer has played in the

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup was a nil all draw. Josh which to

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<v Speaker 1>a non football fan like me, sounds like a major disappointment.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you interpret that result?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a terrible game. Don't let any football fan

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what to do, but it was terrible. I've

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<v Speaker 3>likened it in my column to realizing you're now qualified

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<v Speaker 3>for a bow counter screening test. That's how exciting it was.

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<v Speaker 3>But the point being that it was a very important game.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot riding on it for both teams.

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<v Speaker 3>Both teams were very happy for it to be a

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<v Speaker 3>pretty dour draw so they got the point they needed. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>it was one of those things that just had to

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<v Speaker 3>be done. It was important. We did what we needed

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<v Speaker 3>to do and now we move on it. I wouldn't guarantee,

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<v Speaker 3>but I think this game against Egypt will be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot more exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>How have you found the sort of physical ordeal of

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<v Speaker 1>following this World Cup? Your heating bill must be through

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<v Speaker 1>the roof with all these middle of the night games

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<v Speaker 1>and cups of tea.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, exactly as someone that likes to watch every single

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<v Speaker 3>game in some shape or form, this expanded tournament, because

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<v Speaker 3>this tournament is far bigger than any previous World Cup.

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<v Speaker 3>There's forty eight teams and there's means a lot more games,

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<v Speaker 3>and a lot more early mornings, and a lot more

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<v Speaker 3>trying to work out how to work SBS is app

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<v Speaker 3>to get mini matches and everything. To be honest as

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<v Speaker 3>a fan, it's probably been too much. I am sort

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<v Speaker 3>of this struggle and we still got thirty two teams

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<v Speaker 3>in there, just about to give you sixteen teams. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's a lot more to come, that's the amazing thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm sort of on the edge already.

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<v Speaker 1>So if Australia does triumph over Egypt on Saturday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>what happens after that, Well.

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<v Speaker 3>They'll go through the round sixteen and if all things

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<v Speaker 3>go to what they should, they'll probably play Argentina, which

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<v Speaker 3>is it goes from having a good draw to having

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<v Speaker 3>a terrible draw.

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<v Speaker 2>Even I know that's a daunting prospect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, they're probably one of the favorites for the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Most people, if they don't know football, have heard of

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<v Speaker 3>Leo Messi, who is having a good tournament for someone

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<v Speaker 3>of a ripe old age that he's at mass flying forward.

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<v Speaker 3>We so look, it's not what we want, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it is. Maybe it's the game that we do want

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<v Speaker 3>because it gets everyone's attention, the world will be watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Gives people an opportunity to overperform. I think it's been

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<v Speaker 3>a great achievement for them to make it this far.

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<v Speaker 3>So if they beat Egypt, that'll be well well overachieving,

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<v Speaker 3>so touchwood.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the joys of this tournament from the outside

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<v Speaker 1>has been seeing the fans enjoying themselves across the American

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<v Speaker 1>cities where these games are being played, Norwegians rolling in

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<v Speaker 1>the stands, Scottish people just kind of drinking everywhere, seeing

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<v Speaker 1>great songs.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you enjoyed about the way people are enjoying this.

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<v Speaker 3>There is nothing like a World Cup. I've been lucky

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<v Speaker 3>enough to go to a few, and I can still

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<v Speaker 3>remember inadvertently walking onto a bus and ending up on

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<v Speaker 3>a bus with entirely packed with Swedish fans, and then

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<v Speaker 3>having to pretend I was singing along till all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>You would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Fitted right in, you would have merged, you would have

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<v Speaker 2>melded in with the well.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I did have a soccer whose stop on. Maybe not,

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<v Speaker 3>but the beauty of it is there's nothing like football

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<v Speaker 3>fans at a World Cup. It's just a party and

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<v Speaker 3>it's everyone's happy and everyone's mixing, and although football has

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<v Speaker 3>a reputation of violence and crowd violence, never really happens

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<v Speaker 3>at a World Cup. There's generally a good vibe. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been really happy to see the scenes that this World Cup.

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<v Speaker 3>It just seems like it's a great festival football sort

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<v Speaker 3>of feel to it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a cliche, isn't it, that this is a festival

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<v Speaker 1>and not a competition. We hear that about everything from

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<v Speaker 1>the athletics Carnival to the journalism awards, and in fact

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite is true.

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<v Speaker 2>It's absolutely a competition.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would be the kind of popular favorite to win

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<v Speaker 1>the whole tournament and who's the kind of dark horse.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll just say, firstly, I've never won a journalism award,

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<v Speaker 3>so I just have that on the record. But well,

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<v Speaker 3>the popular favorite at every World Cup is Brazil. Like

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<v Speaker 3>everyone loves Brazil. It's just easy, super start. I think

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<v Speaker 3>they've won the most well of anyone. They've got some

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<v Speaker 3>of the most famous players in the world, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>fans sort of embody that sort of beautiful game. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>partial to France because I just think they've got the

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<v Speaker 3>best array of talent and I think they've got the

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<v Speaker 3>best footballer in the world in Killean and Babe.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's having an incredible tournament as well, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and some people might argue with that, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think France to the team that would be the

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<v Speaker 3>favorites stop after a French store. Then you'd have Brazil

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<v Speaker 3>probably the crowd favorites, and then people love Leo Messi

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<v Speaker 3>and people love Ronaldo, so you know, Portugal and Argentina

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<v Speaker 3>have probably got a lot of fans as well.

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<v Speaker 1>There's been some high profile kind of knockouts, haven't there already.

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<v Speaker 1>Germany's out of the World Cup, which was a surprise

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<v Speaker 1>to me but maybe not to you.

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<v Speaker 3>I no, definitely surprise, but I'll upset the German listeners

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<v Speaker 3>to this podcast. But I love seeing Germany go out.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been successful for a long time. When I was

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<v Speaker 3>going up, they never lost a penalty shootout, so I

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<v Speaker 3>was very surprised to see them go out. But look,

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<v Speaker 3>it's good for the game. The one good thing about

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<v Speaker 3>this tournament is we've got a lot of good other

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<v Speaker 3>teams that we haven't been at World Cups before, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's only eight countries that have won the World Cup

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<v Speaker 3>in the history of it so to see other teams

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<v Speaker 3>come through and some of the big boys go out, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's good for the sport. So slightly disappointed

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<v Speaker 3>to see the big teams go out, but Germany and

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<v Speaker 3>Holland go on, bring it on. Yeah, I'm happy about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up what this World Cup could mean for football

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia. Football in Australia is going through a huge

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<v Speaker 1>period of transition. Obviously, the advent of the Matilda's into

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<v Speaker 1>the popular imagination has inspired girls all over Australia to

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<v Speaker 1>take up football. Last time I paid attention to the

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<v Speaker 1>men's game in Australia, there were a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>letting off flares and starting fights. That seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>changed as well. Where do you see Australian football now?

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<v Speaker 1>And how much does it matter whether or not the

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<v Speaker 1>soccer Who's triumph or not at this World Cup?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good question and we could probably be here all day.

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<v Speaker 3>But the soccer is have not missed the World Cup

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<v Speaker 3>since two thousand and six, so we are doing remarkably

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<v Speaker 3>well to make them and it probably for someone that

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<v Speaker 3>is into the game, you sort of get this every

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<v Speaker 3>four years, the sort of nation wakes up to it

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit and you see the shirts around again

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<v Speaker 3>and people sort of start telling your names and players.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't really have a huge effect long term

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<v Speaker 3>on the league. The A League is not in great shape,

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<v Speaker 3>crowds are not great, its administration is not great. So look,

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<v Speaker 3>every four years you hope that it'll have some sort

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<v Speaker 3>of effect on the sport. I think the real impact

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<v Speaker 3>of the sport will be the Matilda's. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>is massive for Australian football because they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most well liked sporting teams in the

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<v Speaker 3>country and got so many more girls playing than when

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up. So I think that will actually have

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<v Speaker 3>a really big effect on football in Australia, probably more

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<v Speaker 3>so than the soccer.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's to be honest, as a participation sport too, it's

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<v Speaker 1>got the appeal to mums and dads that rugby league

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<v Speaker 1>and rugby union even AFL are going to start struggling

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<v Speaker 1>more with. I think as awareness grows about the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of head trauma, that is certainly an issue also in

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<v Speaker 1>football in soccer, but much less so than in those

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<v Speaker 1>heavy contact sports. Do you think the game is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of set up in Australia to know what to do

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<v Speaker 1>with a generation of kids who are going to grow

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<v Speaker 1>up with soccer as the game that they are playing

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<v Speaker 1>on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>No is my short answer to that. You'll find a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of like me. To be honest, I grew up

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<v Speaker 3>playing football, but I still love my rugby league and

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<v Speaker 3>my rugby Union and even my Ossie Rules. So you'll

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<v Speaker 3>find there's a lot of Ossies that play when they're young,

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<v Speaker 3>that participation rates are really high, but there is not

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<v Speaker 3>a real pathway beyond that because our big sports are

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<v Speaker 3>still dominated by the rugby and the Ossie rules codes.

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<v Speaker 3>So you'll find a kid like Lucas Herrington, who played

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<v Speaker 3>for Australia in the last game. He's only eighteen. He

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<v Speaker 3>did play in the league and then got signed by

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<v Speaker 3>a US team and he's now being courted by some

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<v Speaker 3>European teams. So that's probably the pathway that these kids have.

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<v Speaker 3>So we don't get the real talent in Australia playing,

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<v Speaker 3>which has a flow on effect that maybe you don't

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<v Speaker 3>get the crowds going to watch it because the talent's

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<v Speaker 3>not there. They prefer to watch the European leagues or

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<v Speaker 3>the Premier League, etc. So look, yeah, the pathways. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a difficult one for a strange football to fix. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't pretend to have the answer to it, to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be honest, Well, in your other life, Josh, you are

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<v Speaker 1>also an expert in rugby league and very annoyingly thrash

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<v Speaker 1>me in our office tipping competition and in super Coach,

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<v Speaker 1>So I can't let you go without asking what your

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<v Speaker 1>tip is for Origin three.

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<v Speaker 3>I am doing terribly in tipping and super coach, though

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<v Speaker 3>that must mean you're doing even worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these things are relative.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a proud New South walesh and get very passionate

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<v Speaker 3>about Origin. But I don't want to offend Lori daily

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<v Speaker 3>because he seems We've got very upset at any criticism.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're not going to win. Queensland will win. Sorry guys,

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<v Speaker 3>sorry to say it. I hope we don't, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think get been pretty badly. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like it's time for generational change, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they should make cur and four in the loose coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, bring in Ivan Clary as soon as you can.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my thought. It's another year of thinking we've got

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty good team, but we just get been a

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<v Speaker 3>superior collective in Queensland. Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Josh, I'll be waking up with you at four

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock on Saturday morning. I'll be sending you a text

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure you're installed in front of the sofa,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll be holding to your predictions.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to call you. I'm going to call you

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<v Speaker 3>and just make sure you're watching. Thanks Josh, Thank you.

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