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Speaker 1: Appogiate production.

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Speaker 2: Is it gone back to when you said that people

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Speaker 2: look down on you neighbors neighbors fine with.

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Speaker 1: You for what you do.

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Speaker 3: I've thankfully I live in like a pretty big apartment

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Speaker 3: I've never actually met my neighbors, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: You haven't seen people knocking on your door?

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Speaker 3: Different now, Oh, well, like it's it's not like I

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Speaker 3: have ten clients a day, so it's pretty common for

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Speaker 3: people to have guests. And it's it's soundproof where if

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Speaker 3: I screamed, you'd hear me, but you're not going to

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Speaker 3: hear like someone knocking on a door, So I don't

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Speaker 3: I don't really think they care. It's pretty normal to

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Speaker 1: I think. I think if you live in my apartment,

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Speaker 1: and how I'd like, what does she do for a living?

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Speaker 1: I never see it, go to work, she's always at home.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck does she do? That's what I'd be thinking.

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Speaker 3: I've never met them, so they've never even seen me,

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Speaker 3: so you know, but.

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Speaker 2: You've never had any bad like clashes of anybody, like

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Speaker 2: putting you down or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, for what you do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Not any Have you ever seen a client out that

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Speaker 2: wasn't happy? Is ever a client ever been like contin gone?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't happy with that.

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Speaker 3: No, never had a bad review. The closest I've ever

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Speaker 3: had to someone being disappointed as I had an American

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Speaker 3: Navy person was back when the ship stocked the American

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Speaker 3: ships before COVID. He came in. He booked the shortest session.

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Speaker 3: It was very nervous and was unable to finish. I

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Speaker 3: did everything in my power, but I cannot control men's bodies.

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Speaker 3: If I could, I would trust me that. Do you

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Speaker 3: know how much money that would make me? If I

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Speaker 3: put away for magic wand and they just shoot yeah, but.

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Speaker 1: They still get that hour. If they're different hours, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: they get there.

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Speaker 2: What happens if they if they okay? So I have

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Speaker 2: five minutes. Is he allowed to go with again? Or

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Speaker 2: is it just that what is it just talking for

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Speaker 2: that next hour?

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Speaker 3: Or it completely depends on the worker. For me, I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to go pretty much as many times as the

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Speaker 3: I have had clients who have booked like a two

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Speaker 3: hour session and they have erect our discusion and just

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Speaker 3: can't finish. But they're hard for the whole two hours physically,

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Speaker 3: Like you have to also imagine they may not be

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Speaker 3: my only client that day that week. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to injure myself. So if they're happy to like, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe we could change to different types of activities so

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Speaker 3: that I can rest my mouth or for a few minutes,

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Speaker 3: but I will do my absolute best. Yeah, wasn't That was.

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Speaker 1: My next question? What is your favorite sex position?

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Speaker 3: I'm an old school girl. I like missionary is a

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Speaker 2: What what what is the what is the best pleasure

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that's a tricky one. I've got to I really

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Speaker 3: do like it when I can see their eyes pop

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Speaker 3: take it suck them down the whole way, and I

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Speaker 3: was just kind of bold. That's always fun. And then

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Speaker 3: I've also had a few clients who after the booking,

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Speaker 3: and they were just like, thank you. I just really

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Speaker 3: and I don't think it always needs to be something

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Speaker 2: What's what's the what's the best way? What clients has

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Speaker 3: I did have this one client who he used to

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Speaker 1: You like it?

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Speaker 2: Do you like when a client comes in and focuses

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Speaker 3: I do prefer to focus on them. I'm a bit

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Speaker 2: What are the main things a client can't do? Is

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Speaker 2: What's the what's a no?

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Speaker 1: No? There's no kissing? Yet there's no Oh.

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Speaker 3: So I can't I can't advertise my services. How do

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Speaker 3: I say this with out breaking the law? I can't

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Speaker 3: advertise itself. But what I can say is that is

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Speaker 3: Most of us, the vast majority of us do in

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Speaker 3: It's very very common.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever kiss the client and you've just gone,

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Speaker 2: even though you say you don't want to kiss the client,

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Speaker 2: if you kiss the client and you've looked at that

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Speaker 3: I've never not said that. I've never said that I

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Speaker 2: Oh really Yeah, Okay, So you're the type of who

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Speaker 2: gets really involved in virtually every client that comes to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like that kissing is the most

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Speaker 2: I can see now why you don't need a boyfriend

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Speaker 2: if you've got your clients do it like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they spoil me, like and that's another issue in

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Speaker 3: this industry. When I talk to my peers, they're always like,

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Speaker 3: then they pay for my time and they're a perfect gentleman.

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Speaker 2: They will and then they go, yeah, and then they

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Speaker 1: That's it. You always don't you want that companionship.

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Speaker 3: Now, Like I said, if it happens, it happens. But

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Speaker 3: I'm very lucky that I have amazing friends and family.

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Speaker 3: with these friends like they're just Those relationships are just

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Speaker 3: as important to me as romantic ones. So I don't

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Speaker 3: that'd be awesome.

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Speaker 2: I've got to know you in this the last you

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Speaker 2: know half mile forty minutes. You love sex a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want a boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: No, So there's no way in the world you're going

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Speaker 2: Plus you like the money, which you must be making

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Speaker 3: It's it's not too bad. I like more so being

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Speaker 1: Well, the price has.

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Speaker 2: like Colson will Worst where all the prices have gone

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Speaker 2: up and now do you do pot prices up?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So what every lady is different. So some have

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Speaker 3: so they're going to charge like one to two grand

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Speaker 3: sometimes you can also drop your price so low that

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Speaker 2: Anybody ever asked because it's protection, anyone asked to not.

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Speaker 3: Wear protection, So that happens a lot. A lot of

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Speaker 3: people ask not to wear protection. It is a criminal offense.

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Speaker 3: to wear protection for either really of course or oral sex. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a criminal offense here. And it's also a criminal

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Speaker 3: don't say no, that's a criminal offense. And they have

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Speaker 3: publicly stated that they deliberately pick on people who do

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Speaker 3: There's no law on how far they can go in

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Speaker 3: the booking. It's all up to the commissioner and what

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Speaker 3: the public think would be reasonably necessary to achieve their goals.

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Speaker 3: So technically they can have sex with the sex worker

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Speaker 3: and then arrest them, which is a whole issue of

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Speaker 3: be rape. The rules are also different, so I do

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Speaker 3: get drugs, they can't. Well, they're not supposed to whether

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Speaker 3: can't be like I'm gonna give you heaps more money,

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Speaker 3: or if you don't, but it's my birthday, or emotionally

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Speaker 3: very often that the cop will come in and be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: but you know, I'll give you so much more money.

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Speaker 3: I'll write you a bad review. If you don't do

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Speaker 3: it without protection, and then the lady will agree because

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Speaker 3: and then he will arrest her.

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Speaker 2: What are they trying to achieve from this, because to me,

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Speaker 2: there's so much more they you'll be doing out there,

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Speaker 2: but they want to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so the public the thing that they say publicly is, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's to protect the ladies, to stop us from getting

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Speaker 3: into harm. But we've had many conversations. There is an

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Speaker 3: organization that nationally represents us and state based, and when

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Speaker 3: and clients way more than decriminalization. They don't care. Basically,

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Speaker 3: they have a Christian right wing agenda against us. They

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Speaker 3: have to make it legal, they want to make it

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so they really fucking to make you stop.

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Speaker 1: And just there's so much more they could be.

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Speaker 2: Getting after, but it costs, like gif brothels this kind

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Speaker 3: They get worse, way worse. They have to pay millions

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Speaker 2: I've never thought about just leaving like Brisbane and Queensland

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Speaker 3: I'd love to work in Sydney permanently, but all my

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Speaker 3: friends and family are here, so I don't really want

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Speaker 1: I have you been approached by the police, like for

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Speaker 1: what you do?

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Speaker 3: No? Thank goodness, No, No, I'm quite lucky because like

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Speaker 3: they don't target white people, and I think because I

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Speaker 3: a lot of them will go after people who they

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Speaker 3: don't have to take do the deposit and the screening

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Speaker 3: and stuff for So because I am privileged, I've been

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Speaker 2: Wow, you've really opened the kind of whims like in

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Speaker 3: We're very lucky now that because decriminalization hopefully will happen

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Speaker 3: in trouble for something related to sex work and basically

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Speaker 3: the judge said, yeah, you're guilty, but we're not going

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Speaker 3: definitely had peers who have been like handcuffed, dragged out

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Speaker 2: Wow, you have another client that's known you from school

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Speaker 3: I have had one gentleman contact me from university who

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Speaker 3: like my work accounts. Can I book you? And I

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Speaker 3: just kind of grossed him. I got it. That's the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the oldest client you've ever been with?

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Speaker 3: Late eighties?

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Speaker 1: Late eighties? Yeah, and it was still working.

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Speaker 3: With medical assistance, but.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it was still like, Wow, it's not difficult

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Speaker 2: to have a client that old. It's not like I'm

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Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, Like I feel like

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Speaker 2: when you say eighty year old, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, man, he's just walking out the bowling club, and.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, he was really into bowling

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Speaker 1: But look, you still get turned on by that.

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Speaker 2: Like I don't know how how Like I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: for instance, I was a male escort, right and an

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Speaker 2: eighty old woman comes in. I'm going, I don't know

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Speaker 3: I think, well, we are quite lucky with women that

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Speaker 3: we don't need to get around in a function. I

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Speaker 3: think as well, sexuality is like a really broad spectrum,

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Speaker 3: how male sexuality and female sexuality works, it's quite different.

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Speaker 3: So for men it is very visual a lot of

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Speaker 3: more of a mental thing. So I really, what someone

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Speaker 3: looks like isn't going to really do it for me.

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Speaker 3: I could look at the most amazing sexy man in

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Speaker 3: what can really get me going with the client is

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Speaker 3: just something how they say or how they treat me,

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Speaker 3: how they smell, Like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's the bookings age that you prefer?

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Speaker 3: I definitely prefer older than me, probably like thirty five

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Speaker 3: to fifty five, okay, Yeah, And that tends to be

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Speaker 3: the main target demographic anyway, because they have money. You know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of EPSTE worlds have the money to spend

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Speaker 3: on this. It is electric seven mm hmm.