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Speaker 1: The federal oppositions warning over a hike and probably a

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Speaker 1: big high kite. Imagine to supermarket prices, the things you

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Speaker 1: go in to buy, and banking costs as well. Because

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Speaker 1: farmers will have to begin reporting on how their farming

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Speaker 1: practices are offsetting or lowering climate emissions. The legislation that's

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Speaker 1: in place would see a mandatory code of conduct for

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Speaker 1: supermarkets with an annual turnover of at least five billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: The information coming from farmers to show the climate sustainability

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Speaker 1: of producing their products which you want to buy at

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Speaker 1: the checkout. The Coalition today will introduce a private member's

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Speaker 1: bill designed to restore fairness to consumers, family suppliers and

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Speaker 1: farmers and give the a trip will see greater powers

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Speaker 1: to vestiture powers. National's leader David little Proud on the line.

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Speaker 1: Mister little Proud, good morning. So surely this is a

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Speaker 1: lot of red tape, isn't it, particularly on farmers.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's two bills, and the one that the government's

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Speaker 2: put in place is red tape on farmers. They're going

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Speaker 2: to force them to provide their emissions profile to their banks.

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Speaker 2: So they've moved legislation on big companies that they must

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Speaker 2: provide scope through emissions information report on it, which means

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Speaker 2: they need their customers to tell them what their emissions

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Speaker 2: profile is. So that means a farmer at Mount Barker

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Speaker 2: would have to actually know what the emission's profile, have

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Speaker 2: to go and find out how much they admit in

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Speaker 2: carbon to be able to provide to their bank because

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Speaker 2: their bank is being forced to give it to the government,

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Speaker 2: and that in treasury, the Federal Treasury's own estimation in

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Speaker 2: the first year'll are will cost business two point three

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Speaker 2: billion dollars. That two point three billion dollars means they've

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Speaker 2: got to pass it on. So when you get to

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Speaker 2: check out, if you think in the middle of the

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Speaker 2: cost of living crisis, things are daer now, wait till

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Speaker 2: Antony Albaneasi adds that on to your bill. You have

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Speaker 2: to pay for it because farmers can't afford it. And

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Speaker 2: this is just pure and saying no other country in

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Speaker 2: the world is even Joe Biden was smart enough to

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Speaker 2: stay away from it, but not our ants in Albanesi.

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Speaker 2: He's decided to go down this pathway that no one

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Speaker 2: else in the world has or needs to. We don't

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Speaker 2: need it to trade. It's simply a fantasy and ideology

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Speaker 2: that alban Easy and Charmers have dreamt up, and you're

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Speaker 1: So farmers have been required to do extra work for them. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: that's where the costs come from in the very first place.

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Speaker 1: Will cost them more to produce the same grain of

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Speaker 1: wheat as it does now by needing to get this

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Speaker 1: info to as you say, supply to the bank, to

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Speaker 1: supply to the government. What a lot of red tape.

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Speaker 2: It's lunacy, absolute lunacy. In the middle of a cost

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Speaker 2: living crisis. When there are Australians tonight that won't have

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Speaker 2: You're simply adding to that bureaucratic cost when no one

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Speaker 2: else in the world is asking us to do it.

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Speaker 2: We're trading nation, but there's no economic gain for it.

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Speaker 2: And this in Treasury telling us two point three billions

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Speaker 2: farmers have to work out what their emission's profile is

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Speaker 2: to appease their bank. Otherwise they don't get they don't

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Speaker 2: get the money to keep the farm going, the growth

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Speaker 2: the crop. Then there's just no there's no logical reason

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Speaker 2: why anyone would impose this on farmers. And this is insanity,

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Speaker 2: and it's insanity. That's just putting more red tape over

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Speaker 2: our farmers and costing you more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put aside the cost of living crisis and the

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Speaker 1: pain at the checkout. I mean, this is the last

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Speaker 1: draw for farmers, isn't it surely given? And at the moment,

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Speaker 1: you know, large parts of the country and certainly here

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Speaker 1: here in this state, and farmers will be suffering enough.

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Speaker 1: The last thing they need is filling out more paperwork.

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Speaker 1: They probably do enough through GST and FBT and everything

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Speaker 2: They're doing audits to make sure the food is to

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Speaker 2: the standard when they when it leaves the farm. This

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Speaker 2: is just there is no rhine or reason of this.

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Speaker 2: And then they've got the pressure of the supermarkets. And

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Speaker 2: that's why we're introducing a divesture bill in today to

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Speaker 2: give them protection. It's not just about the divestage of

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Speaker 2: We are also bringing in what we call the supermarket Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: whereas if they feel as though the supermarket has mistreated them,

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Speaker 2: they can take it to this body and they can

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Speaker 2: determine whether they've got a case, and if they've got

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Speaker 2: A Triple C and the A Triple C can give

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Speaker 2: We believe they'll change culture. The government introduced a bill

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Speaker 2: of similar nature that doesn't come into effect until April

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Speaker 2: next year, but only goes up to one hundred and

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Speaker 2: of the store in Adelaide. There's a cost of doing business.

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Speaker 2: So we want to change the culture and then scale

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Speaker 2: it up to ten million dollars for more egregious cases,

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Speaker 2: and then the most if a court determined divestage of powers.

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Speaker 2: We already have divestage powers in this country. In fact,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Alvin easy Bude put it in twenty nineteen. But

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Speaker 2: when we to energy companies, he had the courage to

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Speaker 2: on coals and were worse CEOs today When farmers are

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Speaker 2: going backwards and consumer and Australians can't put food on

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Speaker 2: the table. Where's this Prime Minister and understanding not just

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Speaker 2: adding more cost to farmers but protecting them and protecting

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Speaker 2: consumers against market concentration, particularly when the a Triple C

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Speaker 2: chair herself so that this would be a tool she'd

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Speaker 2: like in hotel kit There is no reason the vested.

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Speaker 1: Your power is very much in the Greens playbook, though

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Speaker 1: is it wise for the coalition to go down that path?

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Speaker 2: Well, with all due respect, the Greens have come to

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Speaker 2: this pony a little late. The Nationals have been on

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Speaker 2: this for ten plus years. This has been something we've

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Speaker 2: seen where there is market concentration. Is the only time

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Speaker 2: that you should interfere in a marketplace when there's market power.

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Speaker 2: When you've got the big two supermarkets controlling nearly seventy

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Speaker 2: percent of the grocery market here they control the market,

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Speaker 2: and when the evidence has been clear that we've now

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Speaker 2: even got to a situation where the A Triple CE

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Speaker 2: for their behavior with consumers, and we've heard countless evidence

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Speaker 2: about how they've treated farmers, we should put it regulatory guidewse.

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Speaker 2: We're saying we're putting a big stick over there so

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Speaker 2: that there's a deterrent. If they do the wrong thing,

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Speaker 2: then there is a consequence. At the moment, there's no consequence.

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Speaker 2: And if they've done nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear.

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Speaker 2: The big souper market shouldn't fear the National Party in this.

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Speaker 2: If they're doing the right thing. There's no extra regulatory

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Speaker 2: burden on them because it's within the existing legislation. It's

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Speaker 2: just increased penalties to send a big message. If you

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Speaker 1: And when you're to play the other side of that argument,

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Speaker 1: when you have a look at the share ownership of

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Speaker 1: both coals and woolies, eighty percent of it is the same.

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Speaker 1: The same big hedge funds own both coals and woolies

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Speaker 1: and it's more of a monopoly than a duopoly.

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Speaker 2: That and this is and look, I'm not against coals

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Speaker 2: and were worth making money. I want them to make money.

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Speaker 2: It's just how they make it and how they treat

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Speaker 2: the little guy, how they treat the farmer, and how

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Speaker 2: they treat the consume. That's what the Nationals stand for.

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Speaker 2: We look after a little guy, and we want the

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Speaker 2: little guy to become a big guy. But when you

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Speaker 2: do that, you've got a responsibility of doing it in

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Speaker 2: a comfortable way. And I think the evidence has been

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Speaker 2: clear with the supermark, not just with farments, but with consumers.

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Speaker 2: And that's the only time government should interfere in a

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Speaker 2: marketplace and set boundaries and penalties. And that's all we're

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Speaker 2: doing today is setting those boundaries. It had come into

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Speaker 2: effect today if the Prime Minister wanted to vote for it,

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Speaker 2: but instead he's going to skimp it and Australians will

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Speaker 2: go without dinner tonight.

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Speaker 1: All right, David, A little proud, appreciate your time, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me, Leader of the Nationals Party, on the

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Speaker 1: issue of well, new legislation that'll force prices up, particularly

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Speaker 1: for farmers. That's where it's going to start. It'll head

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Speaker 1: to the banks. That's where they've got to give this

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Speaker 1: info and the banks pass it on to the government.

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Speaker 1: There couldn't be a more convoluted process in order to

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Speaker 1: prove farmers are going green in how they produce the

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Speaker 1: food it as one farmer here in the paper is

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Speaker 1: quoted today south st Alien saying that you can't eat

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Speaker 1: carbon It seems pointless in what the government is asking

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Speaker 1: them to do, but there it is. David Little Proud

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Speaker 1: from the National saying they'll take action.