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Speaker 1: I'll get our team. Welcome to another installment and shot.

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Speaker 1: It's the Bloody You Pro project. What else would it be?

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Speaker 1: Who else would it be but bloody Craig Uper and

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Speaker 1: bloody tiff Cook and bloody Micol. Let's start with Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Cook. Who's who's the mother of two very precious children,

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Speaker 1: one canine, one feline and the canine's been in all sorts. Yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh, what a day we had, Harps, what a day

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Speaker 2: we had? Little miss went into hospital?

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Speaker 1: How is she? How is your daughter Luna today?

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Speaker 2: She's good as gold. You know what I love is

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Speaker 2: the little lessons you take. And I woke up and

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Speaker 2: she bounced out on three legs and I picked up

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Speaker 2: the lead and she was wagged her tail and was like,

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Speaker 2: come on then, And I just made me reflect on

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Speaker 2: that idea that they don't. They don't think about the

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Speaker 2: what if saw that if only or they you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh well, we footsore, can't use it because

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Speaker 2: it hurts, but let's go for a walk because walking's

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Speaker 2: the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'll use the other three legs because I've

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Speaker 1: got three more, so fuck it, let's use them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just love pondering that. I'm like, well, you are

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Speaker 2: my teacher today, Luna.

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Speaker 1: I'm no canine psychologists, but I'm pretty sure dogs don't

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for themselves, but they don't go, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: All the other dogs have got four feet to use today,

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Speaker 1: but I've only got three lives. Not fair? Why does

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Speaker 1: God do this to me?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Nicaul, you're not really an animal person, are you. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you dislike them, but I've never heard

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Speaker 1: you talk about dogs or cats, and I've never known

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Speaker 4: Well, craigy boy, let me just enlighten you. I'm not

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Speaker 4: an animal person, but I do have a dog. I

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Speaker 4: have a black Labrador called Sasha. Oh, and I've had her.

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Speaker 3: We got it from a breeder.

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Speaker 4: I've had her for the last She's eighteen months old,

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Speaker 3: She's awesome, has she?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, you say I'm not an animal person,

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Speaker 1: yet you have a dog that you love. Workshop that

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Speaker 1: with us a little bit?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: Well, let me give you an example of my non

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Speaker 4: about five years ago, came to me in tears, and

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Speaker 4: don't have the feelings for animals that she has, so

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Speaker 4: she may need to speak to somebody that can actually

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, Father of the Year, Nicoll, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to our father or Father of the Year's selection panel.

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Speaker 2: All out doesn't just hit hard in the boxing ring.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: And how did that go? How did that go? That conversation?

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Speaker 3: Pretty average, Craig, Well average?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? Because I mean, we don't. By the way,

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Speaker 1: message and said, do you want to do a podcast?

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Speaker 1: And you said, what are we going to chat about?

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Speaker 1: I said, I'll let you know tomorrow. And I still

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Speaker 1: haven't let you know. But that's all right. Do you

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Speaker 1: reckon because of a lot of the shit that you've

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Speaker 1: so we're not throwing you under the basket. You know,

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Speaker 1: all of the stuff you've been through addiction and booze,

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Speaker 1: alcoholism and prison and a lot of you know, peaks

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Speaker 1: certain phases. In fact, maybe a long fucking extended trough

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Do you reckon that having to deal

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Speaker 4: Right absolutely, And look at is it funnily enough? It

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Speaker 4: But of course nobody wants to live in survival mode forever.

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Speaker 1: But I also know, like we spoke about you, knowing

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Speaker 1: you've spoken about many times you being a lonely, isolated,

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, fuck, this is where my best friend

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Speaker 4: Like I lived my worst nightmare, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: And David Gillespie's spoken about this, and doctor Bill Sullivan

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Speaker 3: To is the dopamine release in the brain.

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Speaker 4: The actual addiction is the dopamine, because that's the thing

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Speaker 3: That fight because it's it reveals who you are. You know.

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Speaker 1: Plus, And isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing? How much

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about that, man. But do you know another

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Speaker 2: Well, camera just failed itself. I had to reboot it.

434
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh, tiss beIN, tis beIN not what welcome back? Yeah,

435
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: Tip's back on the show. She's been absolutely But you

436
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: and I caught up. You and I caught up, and

437
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: you essentially said to me it was more than this,

438
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: But you went thanks for being my friend, and you

439
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: went thanks for like just and I love that. And

440
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: I've said this to Tiff right it's like, I love

441
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: that I can just support you and there's nothing in

442
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: it for me other than being your friend. Right. And

443
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: the interesting thing I saw about you is I saw

444
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: this tough guy, this fucking tattered head to toe motherfucker

445
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: dude who's been in prison, you know, just to sooner

446
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: have a fight as a fucking hot lunch, all that

447
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But I also saw this strong, resilient person,

448
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: but also this vulnerable dude who just needed another dude

449
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: to just like him and to just believe in him

450
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: and support him. And I also recognized and I think

451
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: it's really changed in the last ten years because your

452
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: world is different, your life, lifestyle, you're different. But I

453
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: think when I met you, you hadn't had a lot

454
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: of people in your life that just loved you and

455
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: accepted you without any agenda.

456
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 4: Very true, and I'll sell you. The other thing that,

457
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 4: to just sum that up a little bit, is one

458
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 4: of the things that I believe I was, you know,

459
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 4: I still am, and I was very grateful for and

460
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 4: I am grateful for is the fact that you know,

461
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 4: when the ass fell out of me, out of my world.

462
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: Right, you didn't leave me. M hmm.

463
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 4: You didn't leave me. That's all I want. I want

464
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: someone just don't leave me now. If I'm going bad,

465
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 4: if shit's gone bad, just don't leave me. Just fucking

466
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: hang in there, you know, like fucking walk away from me.

467
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 4: And and I love that, you know, That's That's my

468
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 4: highest quality that I hold in people, is that beautiful

469
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: loyalty and that now that I'm wavering sort of, I'm

470
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 4: there good or bad. And that's something that you know.

471
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 4: In my work that I do helping other people with addiction,

472
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: something that I want to bring to them.

473
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: I want them to know I'm not going to leave them.

474
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: Even if I get ship and hard, I'm not leaving

475
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 4: if I if I sniff something, if I sniff some

476
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 4: authenticity mm hmm, some realness, some genuine desire, I ain't

477
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 4: fucking leaving. Simple was that and I love that, And

478
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 4: that's what you gave to me. It would have been very,

479
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 4: very easy to just know, well, you're a busy man,

480
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: you've got an unbelievable life, you've got you know, you're

481
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: a professional, you've got so many things going on.

482
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 3: But you still said he's my man, and I'm still

483
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: going to make time for him.

484
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well you're easy to be a mate too. But

485
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I remember five or six years ago, maybe four or

486
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: five years ago. We won't talk about what specifically, but

487
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: things were tough for you. There was a real moment

488
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: in your life where shit wasn't going great, as happens

489
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: to everyone, but you were in the middle of some stuff.

490
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: And I remember sitting outside this window right now in

491
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: the bamboo. Do you remember you and me sitting out

492
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: in the bamboo in the fucking chairs with our feet

493
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: up on them, and just having quite a lot of

494
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: chats out in the bamboo about the ship that you

495
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: were in the middle of. And you know, I knew

496
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: that I couldn't fix it or change it or wave

497
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: a magic wand but I also knew that somebody just

498
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: being there same or mate, you know, I'm here, I'm

499
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, you know. And you do that for people,

500
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: Tiff does that for people? Tif Do you have any

501
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: questions for the great you know, box at a boxer,

502
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: pugilist to pugilist, thug to thug.

503
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment on how difficult

504
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it is to switch to South poor. I just don't

505
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: think people could ever grasp the complexity of that. It

506
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 2: is I applaud you for that. Like when you said that,

507
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: I was like people, even people who write left handed

508
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 2: or brush your teeth left handed, when you're a right hander,

509
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: it'll give you a snapshot. But as a coach being

510
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: challenged to try and stand in Southpoor to show technique

511
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: and see technique, I struggle with that. So that is incredible.

512
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, Tiff.

513
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy, really, isn't it, Because I mean, you

514
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: think everything's going to be reversed when you're in south Wall.

515
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: Everything that you've learned has to be reversed. But not

516
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 4: only that, there's a lot of stuff that you do.

517
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: Not everything, but there are there are some things that

518
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 4: you do in Southport that don't translate to Orthodox and

519
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: some things that you do an Orthodox that don't translate

520
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 4: to Southport. So you have to relearn different ways of

521
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 4: different combinations don't.

522
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: Work in both stances.

523
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 4: And also imagine changing your stance, but then you could

524
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: be in front of someone that's an Orthodox or a

525
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Southport and so not just your stance that matters.

526
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: It's when you're in the ring all of.

527
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: A sudden you're a Southpaw, but you used to be

528
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: an Orthodox, but now you're facing a south for.

529
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: It's triply triply weird.

530
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, so it's it is. It

531
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: was a major, a major feat and I'm very very

532
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 4: fortunate that I had teachers, or I had a teacher

533
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 4: in particular a French guy actually who's but a French

534
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: guy who was very very high level, and he he

535
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 4: put myself and my son through. I would call it

536
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 4: nothing short of sas training for boxing. Over a period

537
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: of about four years, seven days a week, we're at

538
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 4: like sparring at six o'clock in the morning in the

539
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: rain in a sand pit.

540
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: Crawling through, crawling.

541
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: Up hills with it was just incredible, you know, like

542
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 4: it was just this mad, mad conditioning and training and

543
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: technique training that it's paid off.

544
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 3: In the end.

545
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: And the idea about understanding. So there's that whole tough

546
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: love aspect, there's that getting in getting hit and just

547
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about your background and what you've

548
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: been through, right, and maybe your opinion of yourself at times.

549
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: And one thing that's apparent to me is how you

550
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: you learn to be tough and weather the storm when

551
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: you need to, but also understand when you might need

552
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: a bit of self love and self acceptance. Have you

553
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: been through anything with that? Psychologically?

554
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: I've been through that repeatedly, repeatedly.

555
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: And it's been the major stuff for me with boxing

556
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 4: is around the psychology and the emotional side of it,

557
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 4: because my first seven fights were a loss, a lose,

558
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 4: a loss. And it's not like playing foot you we

559
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 4: can go, oh, I played well, but look we lost

560
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: by one point or two points. It's like, did you

561
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: what happened in the fight?

562
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 3: Mate? I lost to right? Okay, yeah, okay.

563
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: So you sit with that loss and and it's hard

564
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: to come back from because there's only two people in

565
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 4: the fight. You're only going to win or lose. You're

566
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 4: not going to have a bad day or like it's

567
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: syst it's going to win or lose. And so psychologically

568
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: what would happen for me when I'd lose is it

569
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: was very, very difficult because.

570
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: I got in the demons. I'm almost fighting in the demons.

571
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: And in the demons, tommy, mate, you.

572
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 4: Don't belong here. You're not good enough, You're not a boxer.

573
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 4: These people can see through you. Are you really do

574
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 4: you really think that you've got a fighting spirit? You know,

575
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: you're a little boy you know. That's what my head,

576
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: that's what my head in my heart tried to tell

577
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 4: me in the beginning. And I had to find a

578
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: way to settle with myself and say, now I'm not

579
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: a little boy, and yes I am good enough to

580
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: be here, and I believe. And you know, my first

581
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: fight as a master, as Martha's fight was about, I

582
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 4: don't know. It was about three years ago or whatever.

583
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: And I thought a guy whose name was Christopher Hume.

584
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 4: Now I fought at eighty six kilos. I now fight

585
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: at seventy two kilos, right, But I fought then at

586
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 4: eighty six kilos, and Christopher Hume he beat me, and

587
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 4: he beat me well. And they were interviewing us at

588
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 4: the end of the fight in the ring. And when

589
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 4: they came to me and they asked me a few

590
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 4: questions and whatever I said to them. You see, I

591
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 4: had this dream, I had this believe I didn't know

592
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: how I was going to do it, and I was

593
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 4: frightened of doing it. But I said, but I'm going

594
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 4: to win a title. I will be back, make no mistake.

595
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 4: I will not stop until I win the title.

596
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, very good, Mick. You know I've got the applause, whatever,

597
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 3: and off we go.

598
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 4: I lost the next six in a row after that,

599
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 4: so that speech didn't look to be coming true. But

600
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 4: I did keep that belief, and my trainers believed in me,

601
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: and did you know that it was only however long

602
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 4: later I was standing in the ring and I won

603
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: a Victorian state title, and that guy, Christopher Hume, was

604
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 4: the guy that stood there with the belt and presented

605
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: me the belt and wrapped it around my waist.

606
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: That just gave me goosebumps.

607
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 3: You know.

608
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 4: That's that's the power of consistency. That's the power of

609
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: doing shit, whether I'm fucking scared or not right, because

610
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 4: because I knew that deep down, it's it's who I am,

611
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: who I want to be, It's who I want to be,

612
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: and it is who I am. Even though the head

613
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 4: noise was telling me it's not, I knew in my

614
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 4: heart it was that's who I am. I'm boxing on

615
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: a fighter, you know, And I kept going. And so

616
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 4: then the consistency, the discipline, all of that stuff led

617
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 4: me to standing there in that ring and the guy

618
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: that beat me that first fight wrapping that belt around me.

619
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 3: And since then I won.

620
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 4: A WBL Asia Pacific super middleweight title. I want to

621
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 4: WBL Masters Middleweight world title, and I've got you know,

622
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: after the back of that world title fight, I've been

623
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 4: offered more title fights in Sydney, you know, and which

624
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: I'm considering and weighing up whether I can, whether I

625
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: can make it happen. But there's lots of opportunities come up,

626
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: and I know that my boxing journey isn't finished yet

627
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 4: because I'm getting better and better and better every fight.

628
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: And I have to say too that I don't mind

629
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 4: being fifty three years old and having an absolutely rippling

630
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 4: sticks pack.

631
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: You know what I also love.

632
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you used the word scared

633
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: and didn't change it, didn't change it too nervous or

634
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, prefect nerves. I love that you said I'm

635
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: scared every time I get in the ring.

636
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's crazy.

637
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 2: I think we we change our language into positive of things,

638
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: which can be really good, but sometimes that can let

639
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: us make us leave it behind when we might need

640
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: it the most. So then when that same feeling is

641
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: being scared in real life, we don't translate it anymore

642
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: because it's like, well, this isn't pre fight nerves. Now

643
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm scared, and I haven't been scared for years. It's like, yeah,

644
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 2: you're scared every time you get.

645
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: In the ring, exactly right, exactly right.

646
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 4: And the thing I love about boxing is that everything

647
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: that we've been talking about that goes on psychologically and emotionally,

648
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: like you think and you know as a box of

649
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: two tiff that you know, when you're under attack in

650
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: the ring, you know you have to be able to

651
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 4: stay calm. You've got to be able to think, you've

652
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: got to move, you've got to make split second decisions,

653
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: and you have to be able to negotiate your way

654
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 4: through whatever's coming at you. And that translates to life.

655
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 4: It translates to life in so many areas. It translates

656
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 4: to business, it translates to relationships, it translates to financial stuff,

657
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 4: it translates to friendships, you know, in every aspect of life.

658
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 4: And that's why I love boxing because it absolutely number one.

659
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 4: It makes me take responsibility for me. You know, I'm

660
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 4: the guy in there. There's nobody else can help me.

661
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: And that's one thing I also learned through all of

662
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: the stuff that I've been through my life, through addiction

663
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: and everything. Craig talked all about stuff before. But at

664
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 4: the end of the day, I guess what, nobody could

665
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 4: help me. Nobody can save me. Only I can. I

666
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 4: need other people, I need help, but only I can

667
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: do it. I alone can do it, but I can't

668
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: do it alone. And and boxing just emulates and mimics.

669
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: It helps me realize all of that stuff. No one

670
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 4: in that ring can help me. I've got all that training,

671
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 4: everything I've been shown, taught, talked about, all that stuff.

672
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 4: I now have to implement it, and nobody can do

673
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: it for me, and no one can help me. I

674
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: have to do it. Helps me take responsibility for me.

675
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: That's the key to not being a victim. That's the

676
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: key to empowerment. True empowerment I've found is me taking

677
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: responsibility for me.

678
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: Simple as that.

679
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: Was there something you believed about you or how you

680
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: saw yourself before the boxing ring that you saw in

681
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: black and white for the first time, when you saw

682
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: yourself in the ring and then couldn't deny it, that

683
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: changed you.

684
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: That's a good question.

685
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's something I've seen, but it's

686
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 4: something maybe the word I would use is realized.

687
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: You know, but it's internal.

688
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: Internally realized, you know, and it's taken a number of fights,

689
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 4: has taken ten, twelve, thirteen fights, whoever many fights has

690
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 4: taken to actually realize that and understand and totally believe

691
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: that I belong there and that this is who I am.

692
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: This is who I am. I'm now proud to say

693
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 4: and I'll say it anywhere.

694
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm a fighter.

695
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: I was embarrassed to say it before, even though I

696
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 4: was a fighter, I was embarrassed to say. I didn't

697
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 4: feel like it was I sort of had any credibility

698
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 4: or that i'd sort of I could say that because

699
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: you know, up ahind On, you're a dad and you're

700
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 4: a business.

701
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 3: I am all those things. But I'm a fighter. That's

702
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 3: who I.

703
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 4: Am and I know that now and I love that.

704
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 4: And it doesn't make me a hard badass or anything.

705
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 4: That doesn't that's all bullershit. It makes me an authentic

706
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 4: person who cares and loves for people, loves people and

707
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: would do anything to help someone. But I know I'm

708
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 4: a fighter, you know, I know that I have that

709
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 4: internal spirit that is that will not lay down, that

710
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: will stand up for what I believe in.

711
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: So how's the fifty I'm still here? Everyone, good work. Tip,

712
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: I've just been in the jacuzzi, had a back cracking sackquacks,

713
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: had many head eyebrows done. No, I just said I

714
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: had a back cracking sackquacks.

715
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 3: Well right, let's ignored. That's sorry.

716
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't think about that anyone, and no I didn't.

717
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Just so, when is the fifty three year old going

718
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: to I know Dana have any immediate retirement plans, But

719
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: do you ever think about how's my brain going to

720
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: be if I keep getting punched in the face when

721
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm you know, do you think about that moving forward?

722
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: Looking after your brain and your mental health and all

723
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: of that.

724
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 3: One hundred percent? You know?

725
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 4: And it's a funny thing that looking after your brain

726
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 4: and your mental health. That funny thing is that my

727
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: mental health has never been so good as it is.

728
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 3: Now through Bobs.

729
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 4: Yes, so there's a there's a little spanner in the works.

730
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 4: The other thing, too, is is that if I was

731
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: in a position where I was getting hit in the

732
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: head too much, then yes, it is time to stop.

733
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 4: But I don't get hit in the head a lot.

734
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 4: I do get hit in the head, yes, and I'm

735
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: not but you know, while I'm still performing at a

736
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 4: level where I can really reduce. You know, I'm hard

737
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 4: to hit, and I've got good defense, and i can move,

738
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: and I've got all of the attributes that i need

739
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 4: in order to to to do.

740
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 3: What I need to do in the ring. Then okay,

741
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 3: going when.

742
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 4: They start to fail or get to get to a

743
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: certain point, and I think the way I look at

744
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: it is I look at each fight. If I know

745
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 4: that it's funny because each fight that comes up and

746
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 4: I'm talking to the train as we go, fuck mate,

747
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 4: they're going to be looking at the footage from the

748
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: last fight that was four months.

749
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: Ago or whatever.

750
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 4: They don't know what they don't know what's coming because

751
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: we've improved. We've got more arsenals. Now, we've got a

752
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: new we've got new weapons. Now, we've improved the weapons

753
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 4: we've had and we've added more.

754
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: So while that's still happening, in my mind, it's ridiculous

755
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 3: to stop. But if we're getting to the next fight

756
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: and it was like more of the same.

757
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, then I'm going to start thinking, Okay, the improvement stop,

758
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: I've kind of platted out, started to decline, then it's

759
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 4: time to.

760
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, when you do hang up the gloves.

761
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: In terms of you fighting, you're probably still going to

762
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: be involved. You're probably going to be supporting other fighters

763
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: or coaching a fighter or and when's the I guess

764
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: the only the big question really is when are you

765
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: going to move around in the ring with Tiff and

766
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: she'll have the pads on and she'll fucking just put

767
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: you through your face.

768
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Mick, yeah, grouse, I prefer that, all right, I would

769
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: love to.

770
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: In fact, we should sort of. I'll come down. I'll

771
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: stand in the corner and do some filming and I'll

772
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: bring my sponge to mop up the blood and to

773
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: pick up mix mixed self esteem. One's fucking Tiff towels

774
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: him up. Imagine that here we going, Oh well, titled,

775
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: I was going great. So I got smashed in the

776
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: dick by a girl back and now.

777
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: That it wouldn't be the first time.

778
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Hey mate, it's been great catching up

779
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: with you. We appreciate you. Do you want to steer

780
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: anyone towards anything? Do you want to pump anything up?

781
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: Or do you want to point anyone in a direction?

782
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: All good, all good mate, all good bloody gats.

783
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: Thanks mate, Thanks Tiv for jumping in and I'm glad

784
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: you too, finally met. You might become friends now me too,

785
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: never know. Thanks team, Thanks everyone,