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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment and shot.

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Speaker 1: It's the Bloody You Pro project. What else would it be?

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Speaker 1: Who else would it be but bloody Craig Uper and

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Speaker 1: bloody tiff Cook and bloody Micol. Let's start with Tiffany

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Speaker 1: and Cook. Who's who's the mother of two very precious children,

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Speaker 1: one canine, one feline and the canine's been in all

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Speaker 1: sorts yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh, what a day we had, Harps, what a day

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Speaker 2: we had? Little miss went into hospital?

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Speaker 3: How is she? How is your daughter Luna today?

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Speaker 2: She's good as gold. You know what I love is

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Speaker 2: the little lessons you take. And I woke up and

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Speaker 2: she bounced out on three legs and I picked up

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Speaker 2: the lead and she was wagged her tail and was like,

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Speaker 2: come on then, And I just made me reflect on

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Speaker 2: that idea that they don't. They don't think about the

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Speaker 2: what if saw that if only or they you know,

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Speaker 2: it's like, oh well, we footsore, can't use it because

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Speaker 2: it hurts, but let's go for a walk because walking's

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Speaker 2: the best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I'll use the other three legs because I've got

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Speaker 1: three more, so fuck it, let's use them.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just love pondering that. I'm like, well, you are

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Speaker 2: my teacher today, Luna.

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Speaker 1: I'm no canine psychologists, but I'm pretty sure dogs don't

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Speaker 1: feel sorry for themselves.

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Speaker 3: But they don't go, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: All the other dogs have got four feet to use today,

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Speaker 1: but I've only got three lives.

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Speaker 3: Not fair? Why does God do this to me?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much?

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Speaker 1: Nicaul, you're not really an animal person, are you. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that you dislike them, but I've never heard

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Speaker 1: you talk about dogs or cats, and I've never known

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Speaker 1: you to have a pet.

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Speaker 5: Well, craigy boy, let me just enlighten you. I'm not

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Speaker 5: an animal person, but I do have a dog. I

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Speaker 5: have a black Labrador called Sasha. Oh, and I've had her.

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Speaker 4: We got it from a breeder.

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Speaker 5: I've had her for the last She's eighteen months old,

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Speaker 5: and yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 4: She's awesome, has she?

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Speaker 1: I mean, so, you say I'm not an animal person,

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Speaker 1: yet you have a dog that you love.

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Speaker 3: Workshop that with us a little bit?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 5: Well, let me give you an example of my non

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Speaker 5: animal loving personality. My oldest daughter, who's now thirty five,

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Speaker 5: about five years ago, came to me in tears, and

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Speaker 5: she was upset because her dog had passed away and

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Speaker 5: she needed to talk to somebody about it, and I

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Speaker 5: had to let her know that although I feel for

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Speaker 5: her and I want to be there for her, I

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Speaker 5: don't have the feelings for animals that she has, So

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Speaker 5: she may need to speak to somebody that can actually

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Speaker 5: empathize more.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, Father of the Year, Nicoll, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to our father or Father of the Year's selection panel.

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Speaker 2: All out doesn't just hit hard in the boxing ring.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: And how did that go? How did that go? That conversation?

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Speaker 4: Pretty average, Craig, Well average?

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Because I mean, we don't. By the way you said

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Speaker 1: to me last night. I sent you a message and

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Speaker 1: said do you want to do a podcast? And you

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Speaker 1: said what are we going to chat about? I said,

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Speaker 1: I'll let you know tomorrow. And I still haven't let

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Speaker 1: you know, But that's all right.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

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Speaker 1: Because of a lot of the shit that you've gone

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Speaker 1: through in your life? And it's all well documented, so

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Speaker 1: we're not throwing you under the basket. You know, all

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Speaker 1: of the stuff you've been through addiction and booze, alcoholism

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Speaker 1: and prison and a lot of you know, peaks and troughs,

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Speaker 1: probably a lot more troughs than peaks for certain phases.

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Speaker 1: In fact, maybe a long fucking extended trough for a while.

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Speaker 1: But there's in quite a lot of peaks over the

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Speaker 1: last decade or so that I've known you, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon that having to deal with really.

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Speaker 1: Hard shit and have to be in certain environments and

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Speaker 1: situations for survival where you kind of at least have

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Speaker 1: vulnerable because in certain environments and places that you've been

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Speaker 1: being vulnerable, being emotion is analogous to weakness.

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Speaker 5: Right absolutely, And look at is it funnily enough? It

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Speaker 5: is a skill to be able to I guess, not

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Speaker 5: able to switch it on and switch it off. And

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Speaker 5: I think that's different to being one way or the other,

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Speaker 5: you know. And survival has had had become and has

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Speaker 5: become a very ingrained, well learned skill that I have.

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Speaker 5: But of course nobody wants to live in survival mode forever.

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Speaker 5: But it is a handy tool to be able to

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Speaker 1: But I also know, like we spoke about you knowing

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Speaker 1: You've spoken about many times you being a lonely, isolated,

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Speaker 1: socially disconnected child when you were young, very young, probably

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Speaker 1: earlier than ten, and then picking up booze for the

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Speaker 1: first time at twelve. And these are not the words

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Speaker 1: It's like, oh, fuck, this is where my best friend

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Speaker 1: you'd come home when you first tasted booze, because it

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Speaker 1: pain and kind of made you feel better, right, And

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Speaker 1: so there's that bit. Yeah, there's this dichotomy of like

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Speaker 1: and then the bloke that became this hard man who

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Speaker 1: almost a contradiction. It's it's weird, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Like I lived my worst nightmare, which is, you know,

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Speaker 5: it's the very thing that I never wanted to experience

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Speaker 5: the beautiful words with that as well, and then you

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Speaker 5: explained it beautifully. When I was sort of twelve years

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you've spoken before about how people are you know,

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Speaker 1: a percentage of people are genetically predisposed or more likely

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Speaker 1: And David Gillespie's spoken about this, and doctor Bill Sullivan

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Speaker 1: talking also about how you know, like when you don't

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Speaker 1: some people who naturally don't produce a lot of dopamine

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: But but you probably were born where you didn't produce.

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Speaker 1: This is just my guess because if you if you're normal,

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Speaker 3: Other people feel? Is this what? Maybe this is what

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Speaker 3: good feels like? Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? And that's open? Is you bang on?

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Speaker 5: You know, like I work with a lot of people

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Speaker 5: when you break it down, when push comes to shove,

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Speaker 5: what we're really addicted.

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Speaker 4: To is the dopamine release in the brain.

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Speaker 5: The actual addiction is the dopamine, because that's the thing

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Speaker 5: it's the dopamine. It's that euphromoric yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about you yesterday and congratulations, not last weekend,

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Speaker 1: things here, loneliness, social disconnection, drinking, booze at twelve, crime, jail, addiction,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: And then but when most people like fifty issue going, well,

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Speaker 3: And I know you got the bejeebas punched.

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Speaker 1: Out of you once or twice, and then you went actually,

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Speaker 5: I've learned in my fifties what I always wanted, and

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Speaker 5: And I'm so grateful that because I'm clean and sober,

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Speaker 1: Plus, And isn't it amazing? Isn't it amazing? How much

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Speaker 1: Like we talk about potential on this show, we talk

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Speaker 1: What like what when we actually just have a crack

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Speaker 3: Jump in?

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Speaker 1: You know, like you do the work, you do the training.

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Speaker 3: You're on your way and you know you lose.

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Speaker 1: You learn as much from losses as wins, sometimes more

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Speaker 1: Probably twenty kilos heavier than you are. You're unfit, you're unhealthy.

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Speaker 4: I mean crazy.

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Speaker 5: You know, absolutely craz absolutely, And the one point I

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Speaker 5: But what I've done is I've absolutely worked. I've worked

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Speaker 1: of side of your body. Like I'm very left dominant.

439
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm left handed, right left handed. I throw left handed

440
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: if I was to play tennis, which I clearly wouldn't,

441
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: but you know, like, I'm very left dominant my left

442
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: side by the way I would rock.

443
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 3: A tennis skirt. Don't worry about that, man.

444
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 1: But do you know another thing I think also about you,

445
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: which you kind of alluded to.

446
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: Like you, you.

447
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: And I caught up a couple of weeks ago before

448
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: your world title fight, and.

449
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: You basically said you're basically where you've been.

450
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 4: Tiff.

451
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: Well, camera just failed itself. I had to reboot it.

452
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: Oh, tiss beIN, tis beIN not what welcome back? Yeah,

453
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: Tip's back on the show. She's been absolutely But you

454
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: and I caught up. You and I caught up, and

455
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: you essentially said to me it was more than this,

456
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,679
Speaker 1: But you went thanks for being my friend, and you

457
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: went thanks for like just and I love that. And

458
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: I've said this to Tiff right, It's like I love

459
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: that I can just support you and there's nothing in

460
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 1: it for me other than being your friend.

461
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 3: Right. And the interesting thing I saw about you.

462
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: Is I saw this tough guy, this fucking tattered head

463
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: to toe motherfucker dude who's been in prison, you know,

464
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: just to sooner have a fight as a fucking hot lunch,

465
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. But I also saw this strong,

466
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: resilient person, but also this vulnerable dude who just needed

467
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 1: another dude to just like him and to just believe

468
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: in him and support him. And I also recognized and

469
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: I think it's really changed in the last ten years

470
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: because your world is different, your life, lifestyle, you're different.

471
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: But I think when I met you, you hadn't had

472
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people in your life that just loved

473
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: you and accepted you without any agenda.

474
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 5: Very true, and I'll sell you. The other thing that,

475
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,679
Speaker 5: to just sum that up a little bit, is one

476
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 5: of the things that I believe I was, you know,

477
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: I still am, and I was very grateful for and

478
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: I am grateful for, is the fact that you know,

479
00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 5: when the ass fell out of me, out of my world, right,

480
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: you didn't leave me. M hmm, you didn't leave me.

481
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 5: That's all I want. I want someone, Just don't leave me.

482
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 5: Now if I'm going bad, if shit's gone bad, just

483
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 5: don't leave me. Just fucking hang in there, you know,

484
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 5: like fucking walk away from me. And and I love that,

485
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's my highest quality that I hold

486
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 5: in people, is that beautiful loyalty and that now that

487
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 5: I'm wavering sort of I'm there good or bad. And

488
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 5: that's something that you know. In my work that I

489
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 5: do helping other people with addiction, something that I want

490
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: to bring to them.

491
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 4: I want them to know I'm not going to leave them.

492
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 5: Even if I get ship and hard, I'm not leaving

493
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 5: if I if I sniff something, if I sniff some

494
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 5: authenticity mm hmm, some realness, some genuine desire, I ain't

495
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 5: fucking leaving. Simple was that, and I love that, And

496
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 5: that's what you gave to me. It would have been very,

497
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 5: very easy to just know, Well, you're a busy man,

498
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 5: you've got an unbelievable life, you've got you know, you're

499
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 5: a professional, you've got so many things going on.

500
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 4: But you still said he's my man, and I'm still

501
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: going to make time for him.

502
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, you're easy to be a mate. Too.

503
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: But I remember five or six years ago, maybe four

504
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 1: or five years ago. We won't talk about what specifically,

505
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: but things were tough for you. There was a real

506
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: moment in your life where shit wasn't going great, as

507
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: happens to everyone, but you were in the middle of

508
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: some stuff. And I remember sitting outside this window right

509
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: now in the bamboo. Do you remember you and me

510
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: sitting out in the bamboo in the fucking chairs with

511
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: our feet up on them, and just having quite a

512
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: lot of chats out in the bamboo about the ship

513
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: that you were in the middle of. And you know,

514
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: I knew that I couldn't fix it or change it

515
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: or wave a magic wand but I also knew that

516
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: somebody just being there same or mate, you know, I'm here,

517
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere, you know. And you do that

518
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: for people, Tiff does that for people? Tif Do you

519
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: have any questions for the great? You know? Box at

520
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: a boxer pugilist to pugilist, thug to thug.

521
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: I just want to make a comment on how difficult

522
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: it is to switch to South poor. I just don't

523
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 2: think people could ever grasp the complexity of that. It is.

524
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 2: I applaud you for that.

525
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: Like when you said that, I was like.

526
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 2: People, even people who write left handed or brush your

527
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: teeth left handed, when you're a right hander, it'll give

528
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: you a snapshot. But as a coach being challenged to

529
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: try and stand in Southpoor to show technique and see technique,

530
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: I struggle with that. So that is incredible.

531
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Tiff.

532
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy, really, isn't it, Because I mean, you

533
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: think everything's going to be reversed when you're in south Wall.

534
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 5: Everything that you've learned has to be reversed. But not

535
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 5: only that, there's a lot of stuff that you do.

536
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 5: Not everything, but there are there are some things that

537
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 5: you do in Southport that don't translate to Orthodox and

538
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 5: some things that you do an Orthodox that don't translate

539
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 5: to Southport. So you have to relearn different ways of

540
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: different combinations don't.

541
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 4: Work in both stances.

542
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 5: And also imagine changing your stance, but then you could

543
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 5: be in front of someone that's an Orthodox or a

544
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 5: Southport and so not just your stance that matters.

545
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: It's when you're in the ring all of.

546
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 5: A sudden, you're a Southpaw, but you used to be

547
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 5: an Orthodox, but now you're facing a South for.

548
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 4: It's triply triply weird.

549
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of yeah, so it's it is. It

550
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 5: was a major, a major feat and I'm very very

551
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 5: fortunate that I had teachers, or I had a teacher

552
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: in particular a French guy actually who's but a French

553
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 5: guy who was very very high level, and he he.

554
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: Put myself and my son through.

555
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 5: I would call it nothing short of sas training for boxing.

556
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 5: Over a period of about four years, seven days a week,

557
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: we're at like sparring at six o'clock in the morning

558
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 5: in the rain in a sand pit.

559
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: Crawling through, crawling.

560
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 5: Up hills with it was just incredible, you know, like

561
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 5: it was just this mad, mad conditioning and training and

562
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 5: technique training that it's paid off.

563
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: In the end.

564
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: And the idea about understanding. So there's that whole tough

565
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 2: love aspect, there's that getting in getting hit and just

566
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: I was just thinking about your background and what you've

567
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: been through, right, and maybe your opinion of yourself at times.

568
00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: And one thing that's apparent to me is how you

569
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: you learn to be tough and weather the storm when

570
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: you need to, but also understand when you might need

571
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: a bit of self love and self acceptance. Have you

572
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: been through anything with that? Psychologically?

573
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: I've been through that repeatedly, repeatedly.

574
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 5: And it's been the major stuff for me with boxing

575
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 5: is around the psychology and the emotional side of it,

576
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 5: because my first seven fights were a loss, a lose,

577
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 5: a loss. And it's not like playing foot you we

578
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 5: can go, oh, I played well, but look we lost

579
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 5: by one point or two points. It's like, did you

580
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 5: what happened in the fight? Mate?

581
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: I lost to right? Okay, yeah, okay.

582
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 5: So you sit with that loss and and it's hard

583
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 5: to come back from because there's only two people in

584
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 5: the fight. You're only going to win or lose. You're

585
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: not going to have a bad day or like it's

586
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 5: syst it's going to win or lose. And so psychologically

587
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 5: what would happen for me when I'd lose is it

588
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: was very, very difficult because I got in the demons.

589
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 5: I'm almost fighting in the demons. And in the demons, Tommy, mate,

590
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 5: you don't belong here. You're not good enough, You're not

591
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 5: a boxer. These people can see through you. Are you

592
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: really do you really think that you've got a fighting spirit?

593
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 5: You know, you're a little boy, you know, that's.

594
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 4: What my head.

595
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 5: That's what my head and my heart tried to tell

596
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 5: me in the beginning. And I had to find a

597
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 5: way to settle with myself and say, now I'm not

598
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: a little boy, and yes I am good enough to

599
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 5: be here, and I believe. And you know, my first

600
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 5: fight as a master, as Martha's fight was about.

601
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 4: I don't know.

602
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 5: It was about three years ago or whatever. And I

603
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 5: thought a guy whose name was Christopher Hume. Now I

604
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 5: fought at eighty six kilos. I now fight at seventy

605
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: two kilos, right, But I fought then at eighty six kilos,

606
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 5: and Christopher Hume he beat me, and he beat me well.

607
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 5: And they were interviewing us at the end of the

608
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 5: fight in the ring. And when they came to me,

609
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 5: and they asked me a few questions and whatever I

610
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 5: said to them. You see, I had this dream, I

611
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 5: had this believe I didn't know how I was going

612
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 5: to do it, and I was frightened of doing it.

613
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 5: But I said, but I'm going to win a title.

614
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: I will be back, make no mistake. I will not

615
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 5: stop until I win the title.

616
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, very good, Mick. You know I've got the

617
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: applause whatever, and off we go.

618
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 5: I lost the next six in a row after that,

619
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 5: so that speech didn't look to be coming true. But

620
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 5: I did keep that belief, and my trainers believed in me,

621
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 5: and did you know that it was only however, long

622
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 5: later I was standing in the ring and I won

623
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: a Victorian state title, and that guy, Christopher Hume, was

624
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 5: the guy that stood there with the belt and presented

625
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 5: me the belt and wrapped it around my waist.

626
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: That just gave me goosebumps.

627
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 4: You know.

628
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 5: That's that's the power of consistency. That's the power of

629
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: doing shit, whether I'm fucking scared or not right, because

630
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 5: because I knew that deep down, it's it's who I am,

631
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 5: who I want to be, It's who I want to be,

632
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 5: and it is who I am. Even though the head

633
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 5: noise was telling me it's not, I knew in my

634
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 5: heart it was that's who I am.

635
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 4: I'm boxing on a fighter, you know. And I kept going.

636
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 5: And so then the consistency, the discipline, all of that

637
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 5: stuff led me to standing there in that ring and

638
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 5: the guy that beat me that first fight wrapping that

639
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: belt around me.

640
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 4: And since then I won.

641
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 5: A WBL Asia Pacific Super middleweight title. I want to

642
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 5: WBL Masters Middleweight world title, and I've got you know,

643
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 5: after the back of that world title fight, I've been

644
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 5: offered more title fights in Sydney, you know, and which

645
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 5: I'm considering and weighing up whether I can, whether I can.

646
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: Make it happen. But there's lots of opportunities come up.

647
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 5: And I know that my boxing journey isn't finished yet

648
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 5: because I'm getting better and better and better every fight.

649
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 5: And I have to say too that I don't mind

650
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 5: being fifty three years old and having an absolutely rippling

651
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 5: stick pack.

652
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 3: You know what I also love.

653
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you used the word scared

654
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: and didn't change it, didn't change it too nervous or

655
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, prefect nerves. I love that you said I'm

656
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: scared every time I get in the ring.

657
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's crazy.

658
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 2: I think we we change our language into positive of things,

659
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: which can be really good, but sometimes that can let

660
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,839
Speaker 2: us make us leave it behind when we might need

661
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 2: it the most. So then when that same feeling is

662
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: being scared in real life, we don't translate it anymore

663
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 2: because it's like, well, this isn't pre fight nerves. Now

664
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: I'm scared, and I haven't been scared for years. It's like, yeah,

665
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: you're scared every time you get in the ring.

666
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 4: Exactly right, exactly right.

667
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 5: And the thing I love about boxing is that everything

668
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: that we've been talking about that goes on psychologically and emotionally,

669
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 5: like you think and you know as a box of

670
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 5: two tiff that you know when you're under attack in

671
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: the ring, you know you have to be able to

672
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: stay calm. You've got to be able to think, you've

673
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 5: got to move, you've got to make split second decisions,

674
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: and you have to be able to negotiate your way

675
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 5: through whatever's coming at you. And that translates to life.

676
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 5: It translates to life in so many areas. It translates

677
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: to business, it translates to relationships, it translates to financial stuff,

678
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 5: it translates to friendships, you know, in every aspect of life.

679
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 5: And that's why I love boxing because it absolutely number one.

680
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 5: It makes me take responsibility for me. You know, I'm

681
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 5: the guy in there. There's nobody else can help me.

682
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 5: And that's one thing I also learned through all of

683
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 5: the stuff that I've been through my life, through addiction

684
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: and everything. Craig talked all about stuff before. But at

685
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 5: the end of the day, I guess what, nobody could

686
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 5: help me. Nobody can save me. Only I can. I

687
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 5: need other people, I need help, but only I can

688
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: do it. I alone can do it, but I can't

689
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 5: do it alone. And and boxing just emulates and mimics.

690
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: It helps me realize all of that stuff. No one

691
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: in that ring can help me. I've got all that training,

692
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 5: everything I've been shown, taught, talked about, all that stuff.

693
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 5: I now have to implement it, and nobody can do

694
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 5: it for me, and no one can help me. I

695
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 5: have to do it. Helps me take responsibility for me.

696
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 5: That's the key to not being a victim. That's the

697
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 5: key to empowerment. True empowerment I've found is me taking

698
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 5: responsibility for me.

699
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 4: Simple as that.

700
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: Was there something you believed about you or how you

701
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: saw yourself before the boxing ring, that you saw in

702
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: black and white for the first time, when you saw

703
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: yourself in the ring and then couldn't deny it, that

704
00:39:54,640 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 2: changed you.

705
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: That's a good question.

706
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's something I've seen, but it's

707
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 5: something Maybe the word I would use is realized, you know,

708
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: but it's internal, internally realized. You know, and it's taken

709
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 5: a number of fights, has taken ten, twelve, thirteen fights.

710
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 4: Whoever many fights has taken to.

711
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 5: Actually realize that and understand and totally believe that I

712
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 5: belong there and that this is who I am. This

713
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 5: is who I am. I'm now proud to say and

714
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 5: I'll say it anywhere.

715
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 4: I'm a fighter.

716
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 5: I was embarrassed to say it before, even though I

717
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 5: was a fighter, I was embarrassed to say.

718
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 4: I didn't feel like it was.

719
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 5: I sort of had any credibility or that i'd sort

720
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 5: of I could say that because you know, up a

721
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 5: hand on, you're a dad, and you're a business.

722
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 4: I am all those things. But I'm a fighter. That's

723
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 4: who I.

724
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 5: Am and I know that now and I love that.

725
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: And it doesn't make me a hard badass or anything.

726
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 5: That doesn't that's all bullershit. It makes me an authentic

727
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 5: person who cares and loves for people, loves people and

728
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: would do anything to help someone. But I know I'm

729
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 5: a fighter, you know, I know that I have that

730
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 5: internal spirit that is that will not lay down, that

731
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 5: will stand up for what I believe in.

732
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 3: So how's the fifty I'm still here?

733
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: Everyone, Good work tip, I've just been in the jacuzzi,

734
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: had a.

735
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: Back cracking sackquacks.

736
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: Had many head eyebrows done.

737
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 3: No, I just said I had a back cracking sackquacks.

738
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 4: Well, right, ignored. That's sorry.

739
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: I don't think about that anyone, and no I didn't.

740
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Just so, when is the fifty three year old going

741
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: to I know Dana have any immediate retirement plans, But

742
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: do you ever think about how's my brain going to

743
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: be if I kept getting punched in the face when

744
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm you know, do you think about that moving forward?

745
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: Looking after your brain and your mental health and all

746
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: of that.

747
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: One hundred percent? You know?

748
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 5: And it's a funny thing that looking after your brain

749
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 5: and your mental health. That funny thing is that my

750
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 5: mental health has never been so good as it is.

751
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: Now through Bobs.

752
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 5: Yes, so there's a there's a little spanner in the works.

753
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 5: The other thing, too, is is that if I was

754
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: in a position where I was getting hit in the

755
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 5: head too much, then yes, it is time to stop.

756
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 5: But I don't get hit in the head a lot.

757
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 5: I do get hit in the head, yes, and I'm

758
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 5: not but you know, while I'm still performing at a

759
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 5: level where I can really reduce. You know, I'm hard

760
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 5: to hit, and I've got good defense, and i can move,

761
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 5: and I've got all of the attributes that i need

762
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 5: in order to do what.

763
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 4: I need to do in the ring.

764
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 5: Then okay, going when they start to fail or get

765
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 5: to get to a certain point, and I think the

766
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 5: way I look at it.

767
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 4: Is I look at each fight.

768
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 5: If I know that, like, it's funny because each fight

769
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 5: that comes up and I'm talking to the train as

770
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 5: we go, fuck mate, they're going to be looking at

771
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: the footage from the last fight that was four months.

772
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: Ago or whatever.

773
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 5: They don't know what they don't know what's coming because

774
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: we've improved, we've got more arsenals. Now, we've got a

775
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 5: new we've got new weapons. Now, we've improved the weapons

776
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 5: we've had and we've added more.

777
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 4: So while that's still happening, in my mind, it's ridiculous

778
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 4: to stop.

779
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: But if we're getting to the next fight and it

780
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 5: was like more of the same, Yeah, then I'm going

781
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 5: to start thinking, Okay, the improvement stop I've kind of

782
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 5: platted out, started to decline, then it's time to.

783
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I feel like, when you do hang up the gloves

784
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: in terms of you fighting. You're probably still going to

785
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 1: be involved. You're probably going to be supporting other fighters

786
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: or coaching a fighter, or and when's the I guess

787
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: the only the big question really is when are you

788
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: going to move around in the ring with Tiff and

789
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: she'll have the pads on and she'll fucking just put

790
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: you through your face.

791
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 5: Mick, yeah, grouse, I'd prefer that, all right, I would

792
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 5: love to.

793
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 3: In fact, we should sort of. I'll come down.

794
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: I'll stand in the corner and do some filming and

795
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: I'll bring my sponge to mop up the blood and

796
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: to pick up mix mixed self esteem. One's fucking Tiff

797
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: towels him up. Imagine that here we going, Oh well, titled,

798
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: I was going great. So I got smashed in the

799
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: dick by a girl back and now.

800
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 4: That it wouldn't be the first time.

801
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Hey mate, it's been great catching up

802
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: with you. We appreciate you. Do you want to steer

803
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: anyone towards anything? Do you want to pump anything up?

804
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: Or do you want to point anyone in a direction?

805
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 4: All good, all good mate, all good bloody gats.

806
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 1: Thanks mate, Thanks TIV for jumping in, and I'm glad

807
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: you too, finally met.

808
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: You might become friends now me too never know. Thanks team,

809
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: Thanks everyone,