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Speaker 1: Huge day yesterday here in Victoria.

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Speaker 2: Police killer Daisy Freeman shot dead by officers.

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Speaker 3: Ezzy Freeman is dead.

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Speaker 2: To police shoot the cop killer after seven months on the.

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Speaker 3: Run, brings closure to what was a tragic and.

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Speaker 4: Terrible proppage of The Herald Sun says it all got him.

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Speaker 4: It says it was one of Australia's largest man hunts,

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Speaker 4: certainly one of Victoria's biggest ever man hunts. And after

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Speaker 4: seven months on the run, he was holed up somewhere

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Speaker 4: on the Victoria, New South Wales border, living in a

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Speaker 4: shipping container. Anyway, Special Operations Police went in. There was

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Speaker 4: a three hour negotiation. It was very tense, but in

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Speaker 4: the end that they were forced to intervene. And this

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Speaker 4: is Mike Bush detailing the situation yesterday our Chief Commissioner.

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Speaker 3: Everything I know at this point tells me that this

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Speaker 3: shooting was justified. It did result from a standoff, the

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Speaker 3: deployment of tactics. He then exited the building. There was

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Speaker 3: an opportunity for him to surrender peacefully which he did

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Speaker 3: not see.

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Speaker 1: On Secretary of the Police Association of Victoria, the Union

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Speaker 1: for Police Officers, Wayne Gatt has joined us this morning. Mate.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for your time and it's been a big day

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Speaker 1: yesterday and or late night.

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Speaker 5: Wells, thanks Jays.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're all relieved that I mean

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Speaker 2: from my perspective anyway, good riddance to Desi Freeman. But

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Speaker 2: this has been a seven month investigation. You represent the

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Speaker 2: Victorian Police. How has that been for the force? Because

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Speaker 2: we see the Victorian police in here all the time.

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Speaker 2: We've become really friendly with many of the officers and

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Speaker 2: the frustration and devastation that they've all been dealing with,

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Speaker 2: as well as the families of the lost police officers,

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Speaker 2: has been really gut wrenching to watch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they've tried to park this, you know, like as

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Speaker 5: much as they could, because the day after this tragedy

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Speaker 5: happened nearly seven months ago, life had to go on

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Speaker 5: for them. They still had to get out there and

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Speaker 5: help the community. So you have to try and park

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Speaker 5: it to some extent, but it's impossible to while it's

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Speaker 5: still there and while he's still out there, and to

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Speaker 5: some extent yesterday, there's I think quite enormous relief across

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Speaker 5: the fats. They could go about their jobs, particularly in

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Speaker 5: that region a little bit safer because of the conclusion yesterday,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's understated. Every car they pull over,

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Speaker 5: every time they go to a job, and especially in

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Speaker 5: the last seven months in that area, they've been in

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Speaker 5: the back of their mind quietly worried about those things.

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Speaker 1: Also, it's like, as you mentioned, was the cops that

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Speaker 1: come in. We're talking to him about the sod Gay's

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Speaker 1: Special Operations Group. It'll be exhausting. For seven months, they've

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Speaker 1: been coming bush land and stuff, and like they said,

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Speaker 1: they're out there doing twelve hour shifts, but they're doing

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Speaker 1: twelve hour shifts on full alert, ready to fire at

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Speaker 1: a second notice. Like that is just exhausting work by

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Speaker 1: all members of the Forts. They've done an extraordinary job

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Speaker 1: over seven months.

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Speaker 5: And I'll say those guys are always on like that's

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Speaker 5: just how they're built. But I'll say it's painstaking to you.

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Speaker 5: And so what you saw yesterday was the response phrase

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Speaker 5: the bit at the end. But in between that and

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Speaker 5: the emergency itself, there's been countless hours put together, just

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Speaker 5: piecing bits of information together that just takes so much

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Speaker 5: persistence and energy and time, and the bit we don't

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Speaker 5: see starts to happen when the media fates, like after

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Speaker 5: the initial response. It goes for a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 5: everyone watches Yeah. Then people get on with the rest

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Speaker 5: of their lives. But police stick with it. And I

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Speaker 5: think what you see yesterday as a result of that.

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Speaker 5: You know, when we go to sleep at night, they're working.

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Speaker 2: They're still work, they're working.

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Speaker 4: How much have you been thinking about the families of

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Speaker 4: those slain officers, and indeed those slain officers themselves.

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Speaker 5: Both enormously in part trying to work out just how

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Speaker 5: we should navigate supporting them. A course, it's difficult because

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Speaker 5: yesterday would have been an absolute whirlwind of emotions for them.

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Speaker 5: All of us really don't know how to feel when

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Speaker 5: something like this happens. There's no real book for this.

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Speaker 3: That's the reality.

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Speaker 5: But the officers concerned too. I spent as much time

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Speaker 5: as I could with them yesterday, with as many of

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Speaker 5: them as I could yesterday, because it stirs everything up again.

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Speaker 5: As I say, you know, it's mixed emotions like you

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Speaker 5: think that they'd be, you know, satisfaction or relief or happiness.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure that's true. I'm not sure that's true.

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Speaker 1: Saying earlier, I don't think you'd ever get full closure I.

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Speaker 5: Don't think you want it like and you know, I

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Speaker 5: know that sounds odd, but you know, we've got this

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Speaker 5: thing in the police force where we don't forget those

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Speaker 5: that we lose. And if you have full closure, you forget,

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Speaker 5: you park that and we don't want to do that.

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Speaker 2: I heard you say yesterday. The memory of cowards fades quickly,

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Speaker 2: but with heroes that lives on forever. And these are

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Speaker 2: the people Sho'll be talking about. Tell us about the

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Speaker 2: two police officers we lost in this terrible trudgedy.

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Speaker 5: So what you read about the network is only just

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Speaker 5: a fraction of who they are. You know, as months

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Speaker 5: have gone on, we've learned more about what they did,

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Speaker 5: who their friends were, and what they enjoyed doing when

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Speaker 5: they weren't at work. You know, vidim full of energy,

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Speaker 5: full of life, you know, so young in his career

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Speaker 5: and so young in his life to you and such

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Speaker 5: loving parents you know who He's clearly had such a

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Speaker 5: close relationship despite man yeah, and despite them living so

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Speaker 5: far away. I mean, he's managed to love them so

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Speaker 5: much from from from here, you know. And with Tom

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Speaker 5: Iwill Neil, as many of you would know him, he's

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Speaker 5: just subtly earth like and his works apart. He was

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Speaker 5: like just on the doorstep of it. And he's absolutely

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Speaker 5: loved and adored by the people down there in northeast Victoria.

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Speaker 5: They just they just love him.

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Speaker 1: It was a third police officer who was injured. How

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Speaker 1: are they doing recovery?

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Speaker 5: I saw him yesterday and and and actually had to

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Speaker 5: beer with him yesterday, and he's okay, Like his physical

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Speaker 5: injury is a healing, which is great.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he's his demeanor after the news came through.

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Speaker 5: Somber and but I'd expect that because he's here, he's

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Speaker 5: still with us.

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Speaker 4: Do you get a briefing on what went down yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Look, we pick up bits and pieces obviously in the

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Speaker 5: line of our work, Clint, where we have to support

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Speaker 5: our membments. So those that are involved in the incident

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Speaker 5: yesterday they get our support.

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Speaker 4: They have to.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you'd expect that they've been involved in a

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Speaker 5: fatal police shooting, so they need our support, and we

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Speaker 5: are brief to this.

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Speaker 4: A This was a highly complex, sort of quite intense

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Speaker 4: special operation, was it not that? What are you being

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Speaker 4: told about what went down?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, Look, I think what you know public leads

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Speaker 5: is what's out there. Intelligence led police to the area.

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Speaker 5: They do what police do. They follow up leads, They

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Speaker 5: put pieces together and that identifies where this person is

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Speaker 5: and then from that they've got to as safely as

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Speaker 5: possible trying to arrest him. That's what they did. Like

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Speaker 5: you, you know, that's how you boil it down. That's what happens.

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Speaker 5: It sounds short, sharp and easy, doesn't it. But when

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Speaker 5: you've got little steppets of inform and you're trying to

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Speaker 5: put it all together, and you're trying to affect what

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Speaker 5: possibly one of the most dangerous situations those members had

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Speaker 5: to confront in their careers, you think about it, you

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Speaker 5: go to put some thought with it.

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Speaker 4: And you, as a man who represents police officers everywhere

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Speaker 4: in Victoria, must have some sleepless nights yourself, do you not?

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Speaker 5: I do? And I tell you what I've been doing

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Speaker 5: this nearly ten years now. And I tell you when

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Speaker 5: my fun rings in the middle of the night, I

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Speaker 5: always worry. Yeah, And because more often than not it's

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Speaker 5: bad news when that happens for some reason or another. Clint,

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Speaker 5: So look, that's a reality. There's thousands of people, God

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Speaker 5: bless them, they're putting themselves at risk when we go

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Speaker 5: to bed, we should worry about them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, our Victorian police do a great job. I have

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Speaker 2: no interest in ever remembering Deisi Freeman, but I do

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Speaker 2: often think about those fallen police officers and officers who

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Speaker 2: fall in the line of duty. Really are our heroes,

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Speaker 2: and I know it will be even though yesterday was

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Speaker 2: a little bit of closure, a really difficult time for

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Speaker 2: the Victorian police as well and all of the families

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Speaker 2: and people affected by this.

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Speaker 1: I remember you saying when all this happened, it's like,

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Speaker 1: if you see the cops on the streets, give them

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Speaker 1: a wave, you know, just just a little nod. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's the same today. You know, it'll be

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Speaker 1: mixed feelings out there and just you know, show your

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Speaker 1: support to the cops.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 5: Would appreciate it, my pleasure. Guys, Thanks for your sporting

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Speaker 5: your listeners.

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Speaker 1: To Wayne Gott CEO and Secretary of the Police Association.

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Speaker 1: Join us on the air. It has just gone twenty

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Speaker 1: four past seven.

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Speaker 2: Jason Lauren Lauren wake up feeling good following them on

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Speaker 2: the socials