WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 23 October

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<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, Welcome to the Waked plays.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show. Good evening. We're so glad you're here.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Li's story here with Kayla Bond and Joe Hildebrand.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up tonight, Stoked Scott's thank Premier Dan Andrews former

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<v Speaker 3>Premier Dan Andrews for gifting them the Commonwealth games on

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<v Speaker 3>the Victorian taxpayers dollar and coming up in the papers,

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<v Speaker 3>restaurant owner yal asback rather al Yazbaks forced out of

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<v Speaker 3>his own company after displaying a stop Nazi Israel sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasn't gone very well for him, has it?

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<v Speaker 3>Also in the papers, New South Wales Reconstruction Authority decides

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<v Speaker 3>that an earthquake isn't classified as a natural disaster, So

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<v Speaker 3>everyone who wanted to make an insurance claim is very sad,

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<v Speaker 3>but the insurance companies are loving it. But first tonight

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<v Speaker 3>today the New South Wales Finance Minister, her name is

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<v Speaker 3>Courtney whosaus announced that millions of New South Walians it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be a term because I'm going to keep using.

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<v Speaker 2>It until it is refer on to us as Welshman.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>We're Walians, You're a welsh Woman, has announced that thousands

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<v Speaker 3>millions in fact of New South Walians have been ripped

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<v Speaker 3>off by merchant fees charged by two government agencies, both

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales Revenue and Services New South Wales to

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<v Speaker 3>the tune of one hundred and forty four million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>since two thousand and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not allowed to charge merchant.

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<v Speaker 3>Fees and they were told this by the Crown Solicitor's

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<v Speaker 3>Office three times. Courtney, who saw says I find these

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<v Speaker 3>revelations extremely concerning and I can't see how there is

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<v Speaker 3>an excuse for a government agency to be repeatedly advised

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<v Speaker 3>that an activity is unlawful and to continue doing it now.

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<v Speaker 3>This is no small matter, given that these two agencies

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<v Speaker 3>make up the vast bulk of financial transactions going from

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<v Speaker 3>the taxpayer straight into the government's coffers. But Damien tuden Hope,

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<v Speaker 3>who was the Finance Minister in the last two coalition

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<v Speaker 3>governments here in New South Wales and is now the

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<v Speaker 3>Shadow Treasurer, says he has.

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<v Speaker 2>No idea what she's talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I'm not denying that the advice from the

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<v Speaker 3>Solicitor's Office, the Crown Solicitor's Office exists, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>ever recall seeing any such advice, and if I had

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<v Speaker 3>received any advice, I would have raised it immediately. If

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<v Speaker 3>there's an agency in possession of that Crown Solicitor's advice,

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<v Speaker 3>I thcourage them to produce it. Well, certainly someone is

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<v Speaker 3>in possession of said advice, because the government can name

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<v Speaker 3>the dates, the three dates on which the Solicitor's Office

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<v Speaker 3>sent this advice to the government. The matter has now

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<v Speaker 3>been referred to the New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>On Budsman and I cack.

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<v Speaker 3>But what justice can there be in this situation, Caleb,

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<v Speaker 3>When you've got millions of Ozzie's We're talking about over

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<v Speaker 3>ninety two million credit card transactions. They've been slugged with

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<v Speaker 3>a fee that's illegal. There's no way you can make

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<v Speaker 3>it up to them anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, there is, give us our money back. Give it's

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<v Speaker 4>the refund. It's as simple as that. Now we know

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<v Speaker 4>that governments don't like giving up money, whether it be

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<v Speaker 4>tax or anything else. So look, I'll hold on for

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<v Speaker 4>that one to come through. I would also tell Damian

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<v Speaker 4>Tude Hope to be very careful when things are going

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<v Speaker 4>before I cack to use the words I don't recall

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<v Speaker 4>because I think that cost one of your colleagues his

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<v Speaker 4>position as premier. Once upon a time, it reminded me

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<v Speaker 4>exactly recall it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is an absolute disgrace.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, the advice exists, and the current government knows that

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<v Speaker 4>they've seen the advice now clearly it had not come

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<v Speaker 4>across their desks before this, and they have been so

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<v Speaker 4>outraged by themselves. I mean he this is a government

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<v Speaker 4>actually saying, actually, we are charging your legal fees here.

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<v Speaker 4>We better put a stop. They've sent it off to

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<v Speaker 4>the Eyekake and it needs to be dealt with. The

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<v Speaker 4>government should be hauled over. The calls for this because they.

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<v Speaker 1>Get enough money out of us as.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, whether it's your car, red Joe and one

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<v Speaker 4>hundred other fees that you've got to pay for certain things,

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<v Speaker 4>and they go up and up and up every year.

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<v Speaker 4>The government charges you an illegal fee. Well, imagine if

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<v Speaker 4>anyone else did something illegal, the moral law would be

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<v Speaker 4>used against them. And here we have a case of

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<v Speaker 4>the people who create the law. And you know, look

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<v Speaker 4>after the application of the law, breaking the law, what

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<v Speaker 4>what sort of repercussion is there going to be?

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<v Speaker 2>They were advised.

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<v Speaker 5>We've accidentally overcharged you will just rest Oh really, can

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<v Speaker 5>I accidentally take out more money than I have?

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<v Speaker 6>If that's what we're going to down.

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<v Speaker 5>This is absolutely spectacular work by of course lives your

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<v Speaker 5>friends in mine, the Men's labor government in New South

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<v Speaker 5>I know a labor a good solid mainstream labor. Right

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<v Speaker 5>government looks like bread and butter issues finding out where punters,

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<v Speaker 5>every day punters have been ripped off. He's doing it

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<v Speaker 5>with things like tolls and other transport charges. And they're

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<v Speaker 5>doing it with this. Courtney Husso is a fantastic woman.

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<v Speaker 5>She's been a crusading finance minister. She's been great on

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<v Speaker 5>things like housing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>This is certainly impressive.

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<v Speaker 5>What a fine and it's great, that's right. Who else

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<v Speaker 5>would go through? Like just imagine any other government would

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<v Speaker 5>go through and do this. Can you imagine just into

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<v Speaker 5>Alan going through, Say, I wonder where the previous government

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<v Speaker 5>might have accidentally overcharged Paul.

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<v Speaker 6>She needs every Victorians, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and mentioning this government.

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<v Speaker 3>The Men's government has canceled nearly all most of these

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<v Speaker 3>effective immediate, that's right, that's right. So that's how quickly

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<v Speaker 3>they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>When they're a man of action.

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<v Speaker 6>A man of action.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, that David Chube Hope is lovely man and everything.

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<v Speaker 5>Of course, I like everybody, as you know, to say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I don't recall seeing such advice. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>saying such advice doesn't exist, but I just don't recall

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<v Speaker 5>seeing it. That is, in fact the ultimate sort of

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<v Speaker 5>eye cack response, because you're not actually denying anything, and

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<v Speaker 5>you're not even you're not even denying seeing it. You're

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<v Speaker 5>just denying recalling seeing I think, if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 5>Boff's problem, all both actually had to say. Barry Farrell,

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<v Speaker 5>the forman you said that was premier. All he had

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<v Speaker 5>to do was say that he did not recall getting

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<v Speaker 5>a bottle of wine. But I think he was so confident.

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<v Speaker 6>That didn't get a bottle wise and oh no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>that never happened. Then it did.

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<v Speaker 5>He goes, oh, well, fair cop, I'm off to run

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<v Speaker 5>the cricket whatever help.

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<v Speaker 2>It worked out.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he's having a great time. It's like I should,

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<v Speaker 6>I should screw up more often.

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<v Speaker 1>Politicians never.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, their memory is about as selective as my

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<v Speaker 4>father's hearing. I just remember sitting at the dinner table

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<v Speaker 4>as a kid, and you'd say something and then just

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<v Speaker 4>sit there eat and he had no idea that you'd

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<v Speaker 4>said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Either that or he just ignored that you'd said it.

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<v Speaker 1>Politicians do it all the.

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<v Speaker 4>Time, but it raises the question if it's illegal in

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<v Speaker 4>New South Wales and it's been going on in New

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<v Speaker 4>South Wales for so long, what about all the other states,

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<v Speaker 4>Because this is exactly the same situation in Victoria, South Australia, Queensland,

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<v Speaker 4>Western Australia. Anytime you use your credit card to pay

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<v Speaker 4>for your car, regil whatever, you get slugged some sort

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<v Speaker 4>of surcharge for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start looking into that.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope every other state government in the country has

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<v Speaker 4>the courage to look into those fee is, because.

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<v Speaker 1>My god, they should not be charged.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course you'll remember the Albanezi government last week

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<v Speaker 4>sort of came up with their first election promise and

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<v Speaker 4>said that they would in a year's time, assuming they're

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<v Speaker 4>re elected, ban credit card surcharges on a federal level

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<v Speaker 4>when it comes to going to the shops. Let's hope

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<v Speaker 4>the states do exactly the same thing. Speaking of the States,

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<v Speaker 4>the United States, the election inches closer and every day

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<v Speaker 4>it just seems to get worse for Kamala Harris, She's

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<v Speaker 4>going backwards in the polls, and Trump's going forwards.

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<v Speaker 1>That master choke of course of his.

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<v Speaker 4>Over the weekend going to Macas and guess what we

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<v Speaker 4>have another example of Harris plagiarizing. We brought you the

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<v Speaker 4>story a week or two ago about large tranches of

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<v Speaker 4>a book she wrote back in two thousand and seven

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<v Speaker 4>about Crime having been copied from Wikipedia and other academic pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, an outlet in the.

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<v Speaker 4>US has looked further into her publications and lo and

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<v Speaker 4>behold found more. They report that, in the most egregious

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<v Speaker 4>allegation so farm As, Harris, who was then San Francisco

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<v Speaker 4>District Attorney, is accused of lifting almost twelve hundred words

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<v Speaker 4>from the two thousand and seven congressional testimony of Republican

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<v Speaker 4>Paul low Logley, sorry, the District Attorney of Winnebago in Illinois.

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<v Speaker 4>It represented eighty percent of her fifteen hundred words submitted

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<v Speaker 4>testimony to the House Judiciary Committee in support of the

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<v Speaker 4>John R. Justice Act, a student loan repayment scheme for prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 4>and of course, at the time she was a prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 4>She then went on to be the Attorney General of California.

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<v Speaker 4>And guess what they found another example where she took

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<v Speaker 4>some text from the website for the National Human Trafficking Hotline. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>this piece of text on the Human Trafficking Hotline's website

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<v Speaker 4>was an example of the sort of phone calls they receive.

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<v Speaker 4>Not an actual phone call they received, just an example

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<v Speaker 4>of the sort of stuff they hear on the hotline.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not real.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a made up one, because of course you can't

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<v Speaker 4>give out actual phone calls you receive privacy and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 4>But just giving people an idea of what they hear

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<v Speaker 4>every day. Well, she took that, Harris took that, quoted

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<v Speaker 4>it verbatim.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not real. Quotes did the whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing and it wasn't even real. And of course you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's not only these changes of texts of Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever in books and submissions to congressional hearings. That

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<v Speaker 4>she's stealing all her policies from Trump. As we past,

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<v Speaker 4>she is a professional plage.

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<v Speaker 1>Arise, how can you take her seriously at this?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Helpline that you just mentioned, Apparently authorities concerns were raised

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<v Speaker 5>when the text that she read out as that was

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<v Speaker 5>real was help help I've been invited to a party

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<v Speaker 5>by P Diddy.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was something. Hey, that's doesn't sound like a

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<v Speaker 6>p okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So I've never understood plagiarism in the first place. It

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<v Speaker 5>is the absolutely it is the worst thing you can

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<v Speaker 5>do a journal like. It is just so lazy and

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<v Speaker 5>it is pretty much unforgivable. I'm not sure if many,

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<v Speaker 5>if any, people have really come back from it. It's

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. As a right I just cannot fathom.

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<v Speaker 5>As a writer, it would be like, can you imagine

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<v Speaker 5>a painter like doing a knockoff of the Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 5>and saying, look, I did this, Like, how could you

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<v Speaker 5>live with that? If you actually care about what you're doing,

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<v Speaker 5>and you actually have any degree of integrity or love

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<v Speaker 5>for what you're doing, and if you're a politician or

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<v Speaker 5>you're a crusading DA or a crusading attorney general, that

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<v Speaker 5>should be that has to be the core passion of

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<v Speaker 5>your life. And if you are just cutting and pasting

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<v Speaker 5>someone else's passion into yours, it actually proves that you

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<v Speaker 5>stand for nothing, you don't believe in anything, and you

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<v Speaker 5>don't know what.

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<v Speaker 3>You're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Thinking about it, I think it's even more visceral than that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just simply that you just don't really care. Anyone

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<v Speaker 5>who really cared about the law would never do that. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 5>even if you are going to plagarise, at least plag

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<v Speaker 5>darise something good. Wiki beania Republican job it is to

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<v Speaker 5>try to catch you out for doing things like plagiarize.

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<v Speaker 5>How could you be so student not to think that

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<v Speaker 5>eventually you will be caught? I want to say, and

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<v Speaker 5>icing on the cake for this, I want to say,

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<v Speaker 5>this is twelve hundred out of fifteen hundred words. I

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<v Speaker 5>want to see media watch do that thing where they

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<v Speaker 5>highlight the two texts read out more twelve hundred words.

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<v Speaker 3>Has genuinely done that. He's known as the plagiarism Finder,

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<v Speaker 3>and he took it upon himself to overturn every single.

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<v Speaker 2>Word that this woman to prove.

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<v Speaker 3>She doesn't have an independent thought and if it did,

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<v Speaker 3>if she did, it would die of loneliness. But hey, Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 3>the Democrat campaign is going about as well as you

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<v Speaker 3>can expect.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm noticed my palms are sweating these week, hands a heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Swell running Man's for Dunner. I'm nervous, but I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>surface of the calm and let it to drop. Bob,

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<v Speaker 1>but I keep begin.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that is Barack Obama, former President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 3>just letting rip a Eminem song who is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Famous white rapper who was on stage.

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<v Speaker 3>Because the Dems love their celebrity endorsements. He was on

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<v Speaker 3>stage to announce the arrival of Barack Obama, who then

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<v Speaker 3>came on stage to do an Eminem rap.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean this is this is you know, I did

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<v Speaker 5>it because the opportunity comes once in a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo, yoe.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the rest of the site do the

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<v Speaker 2>full way.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a world's master.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's just did another one called Rap God or

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<v Speaker 5>or Rapzillah. I think it's something and and it's I reckon.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the fastest rapping ever done for his latest double Wow,

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<v Speaker 5>kids love it.

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<v Speaker 6>Barack Obama is cool. Barack Obama actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you see, I think knocked off some cool points.

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<v Speaker 6>Little black guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, Yeah, well he wasn't even dancing.

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<v Speaker 4>You can jump, but you do ever point out I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not sure that white people should ever wrap to me perfectly,

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<v Speaker 4>You've got me racist for saying it, But but I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think they should do it, But is that really

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<v Speaker 4>what they think at this point of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>They legitimately he is the best performing they have. Barack

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<v Speaker 5>Obama is the best asset, that's the best. Horror time,

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<v Speaker 5>when Kamala Harris goes up and tries to do stuff

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<v Speaker 5>that's fun, it's offbeat.

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<v Speaker 6>You know she did, she did her own little musical

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<v Speaker 6>number as.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it just looks horrible because it just looks so fake,

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<v Speaker 5>whereas Obama actually looks like he's having a good time

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<v Speaker 5>and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Got also trying to own it also because.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, he's actually someone of real intelligence and real substance.

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<v Speaker 5>When he cuts loose a bit, it's actually funny, whereas

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<v Speaker 5>when Karmala does it, it's like she's just a kind

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<v Speaker 5>of balloon, just sort of that someone's let the air out,

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<v Speaker 5>floatering around the room.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, speaking of bad optics, here's Kamala speaking out of

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<v Speaker 3>re sint rally drowned out to the tune off.

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<v Speaker 2>We want Donald Trump if he is elected.

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<v Speaker 7>AWO, it's all good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here because we believe in democracy. Everyone's voice matters.

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<v Speaker 2>But I am speaking now, I am speaking now.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what, if you want Donald Trump to win,

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<v Speaker 7>then say that otherwise I'm speaking.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you said, if you want Donald Trump to win,

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<v Speaker 3>say that. I think that's exactly what they're saying. See

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<v Speaker 3>how she snaps there, going from it's okay, I'm all

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<v Speaker 3>about democracy to shut up, you flogs?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing at my rally? Very quick change

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<v Speaker 2>of tone there.

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<v Speaker 3>But she has got plenty to smile about, with The

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times breaking the news today that Bill Gates

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<v Speaker 3>has gifted her fifty million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, this is a strange move from Gates.

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<v Speaker 3>Given he's avoided giving massive political donations throughout his prolific career.

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<v Speaker 3>As you know, is one of the richest men in

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<v Speaker 3>the world. He's quoted back in twenty nineteen is saying,

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<v Speaker 3>I choose not to participate in large political donations.

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<v Speaker 2>There are times it might feel tempting to.

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<v Speaker 3>Do so, and there are other people who choose to

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<v Speaker 3>do so, but I just don't want to grab that

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<v Speaker 3>gigantic microphone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's changed, Bill Gates? What's changed? We all asked. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's only a hypothesis, but I believe Elon Musk hit

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<v Speaker 2>the nail on the head when he said this.

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<v Speaker 7>Why while it's getting so much support, is that if

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<v Speaker 7>Trump wins, that Fstein client list is going to become public. Yes,

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<v Speaker 7>and some of those billionaires behind Kamala are terrified of

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<v Speaker 7>that outcome.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Do you think read Hoffman's uncomfortable?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and Gates and Gates.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're all quivering in their boots because the Trump

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<v Speaker 3>campaign has indeed alluded to the fact that they will

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<v Speaker 3>release the client Epstein list. Just today on THEO Vonn's podcast,

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<v Speaker 3>VP pick for the Trump campaign, Vance literally said, Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>We've got to get that Epstein client list released. And

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<v Speaker 3>we don't know who's on it, but we know it's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of red and powerful people. And we do

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<v Speaker 3>know that this is the information that the FBI the

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<v Speaker 3>CIA have and have refused to release. Why would you

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<v Speaker 3>do that when they're a list of obviously the Vilens,

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<v Speaker 3>criminals and all.

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the most powerful people in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we do know that a lot of the names

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<v Speaker 5>on that list will appear in Kamala Harris's play Darive Speech,

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<v Speaker 5>Human Traffic Help One.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's that'll be the defense when the list

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<v Speaker 4>comes out.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure how conspiratorial that is, but it is

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<v Speaker 5>interesting that you know the Bill and Melida Gates Foundation

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<v Speaker 5>obviously are hugely philanthropic enterprises. They donate to anything with

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<v Speaker 5>a heartbeat. I think they've donated something in the order

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<v Speaker 5>of and I might be making this up. I think

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<v Speaker 5>ten billion dollars to fighting malaria.

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<v Speaker 2>As you shut, If you got that much money.

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<v Speaker 5>That's great, But it's a fair if you like again,

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<v Speaker 5>if you give money to absolutely everything that moves. But

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<v Speaker 5>on a matter of principle, have refused your entire life

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<v Speaker 5>to give any money to any political candidate, and then

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<v Speaker 5>suddenly you're dumping a cool fifty mili on Karmala with

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<v Speaker 5>a week to go before polling day.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, And you see.

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<v Speaker 4>And the thing as well for people like Gates and

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of other people in the left wing establishment

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<v Speaker 4>in the US, Trump being elected for a second term,

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<v Speaker 4>which of course would be his last term as president.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's got nothing to lose after this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it.

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<v Speaker 1>If he gets this shot, this is his last shot

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<v Speaker 1>to do what he wants to do right.

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<v Speaker 4>And so many people in the left wing establishment in

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<v Speaker 4>the US would be so scared of Donald Trump having

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<v Speaker 4>that opportunity because he might just cut them off. He

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<v Speaker 4>might just do things that don't advantage them. And when

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<v Speaker 4>you're someone who's been able to make a shed load

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<v Speaker 4>of money out of a place like the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know you're basically allowed to say and do

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<v Speaker 4>whatever the hell you want. You give money here, money there.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone thinks you're their friend. Donald Trump comes along and says, well,

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<v Speaker 4>actually I'm not your friend. That is a huge threat

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<v Speaker 4>to who you are and how you're allowed to operate,

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<v Speaker 4>right Like, they would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Scared of that, extremely scared.

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<v Speaker 5>Also also the fact that, you know, much like our

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<v Speaker 5>US ambassadors sort of recently deleted tweets, but that you

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<v Speaker 5>had an establishment that not only refused to acknowledge Trump's

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<v Speaker 5>legitimacy the first time he was president and tried to

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<v Speaker 5>overturn his decison to the Supreme Court, which I have

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<v Speaker 5>a right to do. We'll say, you know, hashtag not

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<v Speaker 5>my President. I mean, obviously I'm looking forward to seeing

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<v Speaker 5>the hashtag not my mamla. But since then, they were

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<v Speaker 5>so smug After twenty twenty and again, I was someone

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<v Speaker 5>who wanted Joe Biden to win reluctantly, but I did

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<v Speaker 5>want him to win.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you regret that now? No, the country's burning stand.

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<v Speaker 5>I regret the fact that the Democrats so profound and

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<v Speaker 5>the American elite left establishment as well, failed to learn

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<v Speaker 5>any lessons from how Donald Trump got elected in the

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<v Speaker 5>first place, and instead of being incredibly careful to make

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<v Speaker 5>sure that wasn't repeated, for example, by nurturing actual, good,

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<v Speaker 5>strong mainstream talent in the party that had strong connections

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<v Speaker 5>to Middle America instead of these wanky East in West

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<v Speaker 5>Coast upper middle class elites which Color is the pinup

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<v Speaker 5>girl for.

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<v Speaker 6>They completely failed to do that. They failed.

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<v Speaker 5>They had no other candidate ready to go, no one

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<v Speaker 5>who would tap Joe Biden on the shoulder in time

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<v Speaker 5>for another candidate to go through a primary process and.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually get blooded.

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<v Speaker 5>So they were ready to take on Trump when the

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<v Speaker 5>first Tuesday November came around.

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<v Speaker 3>The gyms could have put up someone else, though there

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<v Speaker 3>was Gavin News.

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<v Speaker 6>That's exactly what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 5>They absolutely and they have absolutely comprehensively screwed the perch,

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<v Speaker 5>and the whole time they have been doing it, they

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<v Speaker 5>have been doing it by accusing him of being a

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<v Speaker 5>fascist and a threat to democracy, but done it by

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<v Speaker 5>trying to put him in jail.

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<v Speaker 6>And now this guy is going to win. What do

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<v Speaker 6>you reckon the payback's going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be exacts vowed to and he's always vowed to

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<v Speaker 3>expose Deep State and.

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<v Speaker 6>Guy turns the other chiefs.

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<v Speaker 2>And in terms of.

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<v Speaker 3>Exposing the Epstein client list, I think Julian Signe hit

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<v Speaker 3>the nail on their head when he explained to everyone

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why they won't reveal this list is because

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<v Speaker 3>they've been building a dossy air on the people on

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<v Speaker 3>the list with which to blackmail them.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been building this for decades.

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<v Speaker 3>The same could be said of whatever we're about to

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<v Speaker 3>find out about P Diddy and the infamous celebrities and

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<v Speaker 3>all the power players who attended his.

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<v Speaker 6>Part as I like to say p Diddy or didn't

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<v Speaker 6>or didn't he Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the other thing as well, I think it's worth

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<v Speaker 4>noting is when you go back to the twenty sixteen campaign,

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<v Speaker 4>the Democrats spent a lot more money on advertising than

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump did, and he still got elected. I think

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<v Speaker 4>they outstripped him by about three times in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>advertising spind but he got a lot more coverage than

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<v Speaker 4>the Democrats in the news because he was Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know what, keep giving your money to Kamala

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<v Speaker 4>Harris because something tells me it's not turning the dial

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<v Speaker 4>all that much. Interesting report in the Guardian today about

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<v Speaker 4>Woolworths and the practices in their warehouses where they are

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<v Speaker 4>forcing apparently the workers to be as efficient as humanly

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<v Speaker 4>possible and they can't hack it now. Apparently what is

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<v Speaker 4>happening is they have a system where you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>work every day in the warehouses and these are the

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<v Speaker 4>people who are moving the products, you know, onto the

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<v Speaker 4>trucks and around the warehouse, this sort of thing so

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<v Speaker 4>they can get to the supermarket so you can buy them.

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<v Speaker 4>And they've got a system now where they go into

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<v Speaker 4>work and there's a big screen and it shows you

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<v Speaker 4>what your level of efficiency is. Now they want you

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<v Speaker 4>to get to one hundred percent efficiency. Exactly how you

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<v Speaker 4>get to one hundred percent, I don't know. I guess

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<v Speaker 4>it's their measurement. However, it might come to be that

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<v Speaker 4>you're using your time as efficiently as possible. And so

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<v Speaker 4>workers are now saying that they're being essentially bullied out

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<v Speaker 4>of work if their efficiency level isn't as high as

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<v Speaker 4>it's meant to be. They've been questioned by bosses if

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<v Speaker 4>they go on long toilet breaks, etc. One worker who

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to the Guardian, went by the pseudonym of Tim.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, you might get someone that's twenty years old

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<v Speaker 4>and goes to the gym every day, and someone like me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting the average between him and me, Tim said,

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously I can't keep up with him. Now, This fella

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<v Speaker 4>Tim said that he got his efficiency to eighty percent,

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<v Speaker 4>and then he got it to ninety percent, and then

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<v Speaker 4>eventually he got it to one hundred percent. But then

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<v Speaker 4>he did himself a mischief for an injury, and then

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<v Speaker 4>he couldn't go back to work the next day, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>because he was so efficient that he'd done himself an injury. Apparently,

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<v Speaker 4>another worker said that they would be going down the

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<v Speaker 4>same path as Amazon. I think Amazon actually, in fact

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<v Speaker 4>now uses robots in a lot of these circumstances that

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<v Speaker 4>they're moving the people out all together. And I suppose

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<v Speaker 4>it's a question of as a business, of course, you

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<v Speaker 4>expect your workers to be as efficient as possible, because

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<v Speaker 4>that is what you are paying them for, particularly when

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about the movement of products, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you can talk about us in the business

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<v Speaker 4>of journalism or broadcasting and whatever, it's not so much

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<v Speaker 4>about efficiency. It's about the product you put out at

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<v Speaker 4>the end, right of course, which we excel in.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So they're increasingly in journalism. They do judge you on

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<v Speaker 4>how many stories you write today, et cetera. But you

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<v Speaker 4>can understand why they would be concerned about efficiency. But

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<v Speaker 4>when you start putting in these systems where they're coming

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<v Speaker 4>up with ratings and then you get in trouble if

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<v Speaker 4>you have to go to the toilet and do a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pooh and all like, isn't getting a bit ridiculous? So

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<v Speaker 1>they turning the people into robot.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it is more than ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, at least Amazon has the honesty to say,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, we just want robots, we don't want people.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure if Woollies you know where the brand.

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<v Speaker 5>Happy Shiny Patriots Food People Australia, a proud Australian company.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure if they're.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to they're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Their main stakeholders are black Rock and Vanguards.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right.

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<v Speaker 5>But point being, they have that brand, they have that

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<v Speaker 5>reputation that they want to it's come you know, sailed

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<v Speaker 5>pretty close to the window a couple of times. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think this is the sort of reputation they want.

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<v Speaker 6>I think this is incredibly sort of despicable.

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<v Speaker 5>If you want workers to be machines, then at least

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<v Speaker 5>have the decency to just use the machines. If it

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<v Speaker 5>is going to be a human component, you have to

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<v Speaker 5>give people some degree of human dignity and the idea

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<v Speaker 5>that someone would just come to work and just for

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<v Speaker 5>you know, eight hours to the second, would just be

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<v Speaker 5>doing the most efficient movements they can possibly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>are they allowed to stop and chat to their coworkers?

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<v Speaker 5>Are they allowed to share a joke? You know, are

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<v Speaker 5>they allowed if they've got you know, a bit of

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<v Speaker 5>Deli belly from the Indian of the night before? Are

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<v Speaker 5>they allowed to spend too much time in the toilet

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 5>qubicle without their supervisor out in the front of the

0:26:41.160 --> 0:26:42.360
<v Speaker 5>clipboard going you're done yet?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, that's really nasty, ugly big brother behavior.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think and it's true that you know, journals,

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<v Speaker 5>you know a lot of our jobs will be replaced

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<v Speaker 5>by AI. A lot of basic sort of reporting will

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<v Speaker 5>and yes, already in the online world, you know, there

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<v Speaker 5>are charts, and you know, people get judged by their clicks,

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<v Speaker 5>and very few journalists I know who don't find that

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<v Speaker 5>soul destroying. They we accept that it's a necessary part

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<v Speaker 5>of life and that we're all fighting for our kind

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<v Speaker 5>of survival. But again, I think even even that level

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<v Speaker 5>of measurement, the best editors do not use that as

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<v Speaker 5>their soul metric or even their top metric for measuring

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<v Speaker 5>who's a good report journalist. Thank Christ for that, because

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<v Speaker 5>otherwise I probably wouldn't be there. But they have a

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<v Speaker 5>sense of the worth of their people and how the

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<v Speaker 5>newsroom or the organization works.

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<v Speaker 2>Together, totally different to the Wooli's guards.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously what Tim describes in this article, Obviously that is

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<v Speaker 3>a pseudonism.

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<v Speaker 2>Pseudonism.

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<v Speaker 3>As Caleb said, they don't want to use their real

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<v Speaker 3>names because they don't want to lose their jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>But about a dozen of them spoke to.

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<v Speaker 3>The Guardian and he described the minute he gets to work,

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<v Speaker 3>he puts on a headset and through that headset he

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<v Speaker 3>has told what to do throughout the warehouse, through our

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<v Speaker 3>his shift, and then he's timed. He's judged if his

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<v Speaker 3>efficiency isn't up to scratch, and as he recounted, he

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<v Speaker 3>got to eighty percent efficiency ninety one hundred and then

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:14.520
<v Speaker 3>hurt himself because he's in his sixties and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't keep up with the twenty year old, so

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<v Speaker 3>certainly you think a union would help him out.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that what you guys are?

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<v Speaker 5>That would be the famous shop distributive adelite common.

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<v Speaker 2>Shop is where this is a clear case for the shop.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I say if they would have been the ones

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<v Speaker 4>who drew a tech many twenty years ago? My grandfather

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 4>owned butcher shops and he had the theory and the

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<v Speaker 4>ethos that if he treated his work as well and

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<v Speaker 4>paid them above award rate, they would give the best

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<v Speaker 4>effort they possibly because if you treat the workers well,

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<v Speaker 4>they will repay you in productivity. What Woolworth's is doing

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<v Speaker 4>is the exact opposite this, and we're going to make

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<v Speaker 4>your life as miserable as possible and then expect you

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<v Speaker 4>to be the most productive possible.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 2>There was still jobs.

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.640
<v Speaker 3>They've got nowhere else to go, so they're absolutely stuck

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<v Speaker 3>there anyway, because it's not like, well, if I go

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere else, they'll treat.

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<v Speaker 2>Me better, not necessarily in a low skills job. To Queensland.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we all know Premier Stephen Miles has tried his

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<v Speaker 3>darndas to make abortion an election issue, despite the L

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<v Speaker 3>and P repeatedly saying no changes to abortion legislation are

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<v Speaker 3>on the cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone do not listen to this man.

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<v Speaker 3>Despite Miles's baseless claims, He's continued to run on the

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<v Speaker 3>issue of abortions. So why yesterday when he was asked

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<v Speaker 3>by doctor Joanna Howe about his current abortion legislation, which

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<v Speaker 3>he himself introduced back in twenty eighteen when he was

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<v Speaker 3>Health Minister, legalizing abortion right up to birth?

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<v Speaker 2>Why did he run away.

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<v Speaker 6>The topic?

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<v Speaker 8>One ask if I mista helpful and step away this

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<v Speaker 8>interdece and you told the parle amount of time.

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<v Speaker 1>That it wouldn't lead to be placing tenus.

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<v Speaker 8>Is that something you still said by yeah, there is.

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<v Speaker 8>Every interim data shows three hundred four babies in the

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<v Speaker 8>last year. So having you before your bill three hundred

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<v Speaker 8>poor babies killed under your bill. Doesn't want to answer

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<v Speaker 8>the question, He says, there's no evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Just shocking, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 8>That's so shocking to hide behind no evidence when Queen's

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<v Speaker 8>Unhealth produces data every year that shows three hundred floor

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<v Speaker 8>babies have been killed gestationally viable babies through late tem

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<v Speaker 8>abortions because of Stephen marslaw.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Miles, why are you running away? You're so proud

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<v Speaker 2>of this legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>Why are you're running away when confronted with the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the amount of babies whose lives at that point

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<v Speaker 3>are more than viable outside of the womb, the number

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<v Speaker 3>of their lives which has been taken thanks to your bill.

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<v Speaker 2>As doubled, I thought he was proud of this legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought this is what he has been defending needlessly

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<v Speaker 3>the entire length of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>Thus, Fars, you're not telling me that politicians lie, are

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<v Speaker 4>you live?

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<v Speaker 1>Surely not? I mean, of course, he just won't admit

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<v Speaker 1>the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course he doesn't really care about the truth

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 4>at the moment because he has tried to make an

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<v Speaker 4>election issue out of something that has not been an

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<v Speaker 4>election issue. So when the actual truth is put in

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<v Speaker 4>front of him, well he can't admit to that because

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 4>his entire argument falls apart. It might actually suggest that

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<v Speaker 4>there is a reason for the Coalition or the LNP

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<v Speaker 4>as it is in Queensland, to change abortion law.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't want to give them an inch. The whole

0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>thing is a sham.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a legitimate question to ask why is late

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<v Speaker 4>term abortion allowed in any other circumstance than where it

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<v Speaker 4>causes danger to a mother's life right, And we've just

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<v Speaker 4>had that discussion in my native South Australia, which was

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<v Speaker 4>driven by doctor Joanna Howe as a South Australian, and

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<v Speaker 4>that fell down there because they lost the vote by

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<v Speaker 4>one vote. But for a politician on a matter of

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<v Speaker 4>something that is about life or lack thereof in this case,

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<v Speaker 4>when we're talking about the abortion of children, to deny

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<v Speaker 4>fact that are freely available from his own department is

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<v Speaker 4>a joke. Just say yes the numbers. The numbers have increased.

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<v Speaker 4>This is why I believe why he's within his rights

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<v Speaker 4>to explain it. Why doesn't he want to explain it

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<v Speaker 4>because it looks bad, simple as that.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's a bit of political karma as well

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<v Speaker 5>that given that Labor has tried to make this a

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<v Speaker 5>millstone to put around David chris if Fool's neck and

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<v Speaker 5>make it look like he is someone who is now

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<v Speaker 5>going to make abortions illegal and no one's able to

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<v Speaker 5>have one, and you know your daughters will all be

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<v Speaker 5>dying in the backyard and then suddenly the debate has

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<v Speaker 5>sort of swung around full circle and now he's been

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<v Speaker 5>smashed with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Joanna Howe is also under a lot of pressure

0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 3>for a post that she did recently following the failure

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<v Speaker 3>of the South Australian bill called the Live Birth's Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>which would have enabled women who have carried their child

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<v Speaker 3>full term to rather than abort it, to simply give

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.959
<v Speaker 3>birth to it, allow it to live, and if they

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<v Speaker 3>wish to, to adopt it out. Here's her Instagram post.

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<v Speaker 3>She says these are the members she's naming and shaming

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<v Speaker 3>them of the Baby Killers Club, a group of unimaginably

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<v Speaker 3>unimaginably unhinged individuals who support injecting healthy babies with potassium

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 3>chloride in the third trimester and delivering them stillborn, rather

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 3>than skipping the injection and birthing them alive. All seven

0:33:44.240 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 3>have come out against the Live Birth's Bill, which allows

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 3>a woman to terminate her pregnancy through all nine months

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<v Speaker 3>but deliver her baby alive. The baby can then be

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<v Speaker 3>raised by the mother or placed in the adoption system.

0:33:56.920 --> 0:34:01.480
<v Speaker 3>The current barbaric practices sees the baby's heart injected with

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<v Speaker 3>excruciatingly painful poison. The mother then goes into labor and

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.760
<v Speaker 3>delivers a still born baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I don't see a problem with this post.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 3>These women fought for what they believe is a right

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<v Speaker 3>to kill full if warmed babies whose lives are more

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:22.440
<v Speaker 3>than viable outside of the womb at this point, but

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want to be called baby killers.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's call it what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm someone who doesn't call euthenaser euthanasia. It's assisted suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's just call things what they are. Let's call a

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<v Speaker 3>spade a spade. And yet people who claim to be

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.720
<v Speaker 3>so proud of something like this, Oh, I'm all for abortion,

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm all for the right to choose. Once they're actually

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<v Speaker 3>labeled accordingly, they want to shirk away from it.

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<v Speaker 2>And by what you say or you're convicted.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously, I find the idea of you know that this

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<v Speaker 5>abortion's this light term. I'm not not anti abortion, but

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<v Speaker 5>this light term is obviously quite sickening.

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<v Speaker 2>But exactly, there's got to be a line somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>You would teacher.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, I was blissfully unaware that it went on,

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<v Speaker 5>but I do think, you know, putting stuff like that

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<v Speaker 5>on social media is obviously inflammatory.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think it does much to actually advance the issue.

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.799
<v Speaker 3>I think it does because a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 3>just listen to me read out that post would have

0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>been unaware that even that was the method used. But

0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.479
<v Speaker 3>we as a society, we are responsible for the laws

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 3>in our land. We all are okay, and our governments

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 3>are elected to serve us. I think if a lot

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.920
<v Speaker 3>of people knew more about what was going on, much

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<v Speaker 3>like Senative Babet recently putting up a motion regarding babies

0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 3>born alive after.

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<v Speaker 5>An abortion and how they if you put a post

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<v Speaker 5>online saying these people are baby killers, with their photos

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<v Speaker 5>and names, you're going to get some blowback.

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<v Speaker 3>Where's the lie? Where's the lie? We've got to go

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<v Speaker 3>to a break now, but when we get

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<v Speaker 2>Back, we'll give you tomorrow's news tonight see Zoon