1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,559 Speaker 1: From the newsroom. A news still come to me. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: Gooday, they're I'm Andrew Bucklow and the Ashes are back baby. 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: Another chapter of cricket's fiercest rivalry begins today in Perth 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: with the first stas between Australia and England. 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm a little pupped up about this. I don't know 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: if you can tell. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: To celebrate, we had taken a look back at the 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: three most controversial moments in Ashes history, the moments of 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: the shock fans, that forced rules to be rewritten and 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: that still spark arguments today. Now, before we get into it, 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: I just want to play you one of my favorite clips. 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube. 13 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: I think about this clip every single time the Ashes 14 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 2: are on. It happened at the end of a sports 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: report on Channel ten News over a decade ago. 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: As the presenters were discussing the Ashes Earn. 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 3: And England skipper Andrew Strauss arrived in London proudly showing 18 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 3: off a little urn. I'll spend four days at home 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: before flying out for the World Cup and Belinda, I 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: just can't understand how something so small can be so impressive. 21 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: Well, Mark, you would know about that, Thank you very much. 22 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: Oh, it's so brutal, isn't it. 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if that sports reporter's ever recovered from that. 24 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: I don't think I would. All right, let's move on. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: It's time to introduce my guest for today. His name 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: is Riley Knight, and he hosts a brilliant podcast called 27 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: Half Asked History. He's also a cricket tragic and now 28 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: he is going to run us through the three most 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: controversial Ashest moments, starting with one from nineteen thirty two. 30 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: This was the big scandal. What happened back then? 31 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 4: Riley? Yeah, so this is an iconic chapter in the 32 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 4: history of the Ashes, and it of course comes back 33 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 4: to not just the greatest cricketer of all time, but 34 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned, the greatest sports person of 35 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: all time, Sir Donald Bradman. Right, this is a bloke 36 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: who There's Jordan, There's Gretzky, there are all these, you know, 37 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 4: these legends of their respective sports, but no one was 38 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: ever as dominant at a sport that they played compared 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: to Bradman. Right. Bradman's average batting average at the end 40 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: of his career was ninety nine point ninety four, the 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 4: next best average. I believe it's Adam Voges with about 42 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 4: sixty right, Lebron James again, Wayne gretzkill this pip. They 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 4: were amazing. They were not that much better than the 44 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 4: second best player. Right, So the Don is unbeatable. He 45 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: is so good at this game, and the English they 46 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 4: don't know what to do with him. Right when they 47 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 4: too it over here in nineteen thirty right, his average 48 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: against them was one hundred and thirty nine point one 49 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 4: point four. Right now, if the people listening who don't 50 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 4: know cricket, that's unbelievable. That's like three four times as 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 4: good as just an average batter. Right, this bloke is 52 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 4: he can't be contained. And the English they realize they 53 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 4: have to do something. They have to come up with 54 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 4: some sort of strategy to stop the Don just absolutely 55 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 4: thrashing them. So when we head over there in nineteen 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 4: thirty two, they came up with this new strategy, this 57 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 4: new tactic they were going to use on the pitch 58 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 4: in order to contain the batting of Don Bradman. He 59 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: didn't have many weaknesses, but one of his weakness very 60 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: unusual as well, very unusual weakness, is that he didn't 61 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 4: like balls being thrown very fast at his body right. 62 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: That's strange, right, I mean, yeah, what's he winging about. 63 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 4: The English came up with it. They at the time 64 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: they called it fast leg theory, and it's since become 65 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 4: known as body line. And the idea behind it is 66 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 4: you bowl the ball very very fast, short pitch deliveries 67 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 4: that rise fast off the ground right bounces essentially, but 68 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: that are aimed at the body. Now, this at the 69 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 4: time was considered very very unsporting. I'll remind you that 70 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 4: in the thirties, they're not wearing helmets, right, they're not 71 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 4: wearing chest guards and not where like they've got gloves 72 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 4: and pads on, and that's it extremely dangerous, right. But 73 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: the idea was if you bowl the ball at the 74 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 4: line of the body of the body line, right, they 75 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 4: would be forced to defend themselves to the bat they 76 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 4: jump up off off a ball that's jagging off the pitch, 77 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: and then you pack the leg side field around the 78 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: around the batts. There are six or seven fielders around 79 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 4: the bat and there will be a deflection eventually because 80 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: these batters are just like trying to defense, trying to 81 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: not get killed by the bowlers. So allowed by the 82 00:03:55,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 4: rules back then, certainly seen as unsporting but also not 83 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 4: very effective because we like Bradman was not super like 84 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 4: it was that good at batman he was well. I 85 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 4: shouldn't say that they won. For one, they did win 86 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 4: the series, but it didn't have the impact perhaps that 87 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: the English were hoping, in the sense that it cut 88 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 4: Bradman out at all. He still made four hundred runs 89 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: across the series. He's still do very, very well. But 90 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 4: it was that much of a danger and it was 91 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 4: seen so unsporting by cricket fans at the time that 92 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 4: ultimately a series of changes were made to the laws 93 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 4: of the game to outlaw this, and today you just 94 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 4: can't do this right. It's been sort of written out 95 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: over the years through things like fielding restrictions and obviously 96 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 4: you know umpires saying stop trying to kill the batter please. 97 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: But this was a very, very controversial moment in history 98 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 4: career because of course cricket has always had this reputation 99 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 4: of being a gentleman's game. You know, it was a 100 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 4: game where ot or and fair player and all these 101 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: sorts of things a very important. So the English team 102 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 4: was seen as sort of playing outside the spirit of 103 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: the game a little bit, not the last time. We'll 104 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: have controversies like the and the asses, and so this 105 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 4: bodyline series is remembered as being a bit of a 106 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: watershed moment in the history of cricket because of what 107 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: the English team felt that they were forced to do 108 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 4: to contend with the greatest player to ever pick up 109 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 4: a cricket bat. Shame on those Brits. 110 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: And we are going to come back to some other 111 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 2: potentially shameful behavior later on. So I don't want to 112 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: sink the boot in too hard. Let's move on to 113 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: another controversial moment from nineteen seventy nine. Now it involved 114 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: one of our most famous cricketers of all time. 115 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: What happened? Yeah, so Dennis Lily, of course, a very 116 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 4: very well known, very talented cricket I had a bit 117 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: of a reputation. Of course. He's a tall man. He's 118 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 4: a strong man, very intimidating fella. He loved to have 119 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 4: a bit of a chirp on the field. He's sledging, 120 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 4: he's getting it getting after. He was what we would 121 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 4: call a character right this blog. Oh do you know 122 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 4: how about this? Right? I was talking to my mom 123 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 4: about this. My mum loves cricket as well. She says 124 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 4: to me out of nowhere. My mum is like, she's 125 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 4: like sixty something when she tells me this. She never 126 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: told me. She used to go drinking with Dennis Lily 127 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 4: like after the tests. So there was a hub near 128 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: the MCG. She'd go down boxing day tests every year 129 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 4: to watch this. She and her girlfriends would go to 130 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 4: this pub after the game had finished, and the Australian 131 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 4: team would just be in there right sinking pines and 132 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 4: she'd just hang around with Lily and all the rest 133 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 4: of them just downing jars like unbelievable. And I didn't 134 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: tell me this year. Your mum was a groupie. I 135 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: didn't ask too many questions anyway. Anyway, So Lily, right, 136 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 4: he's a bit of a shaman. And one day he's out, 137 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 4: he's batting nineteen seventy nine ashes out of the whacker 138 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,679 Speaker 4: right in Perth, and he strides out to the crease. 139 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 4: On the second day of play, he strides out to 140 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: play with a bat that was made of aluminium. Oh 141 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 4: now again, this was allowed. This wasn't outlawed by the 142 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: laws of the game. Right, and Lily, if you're familiar 143 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 4: with this Blake one spros you learn who did this. 144 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: His mate owned a company that was manufacturing there's aluminium bats. 145 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 4: He goes, all right, listen, you give me a little slice, 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 4: the slice the accent, and I'll walk out and do 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 4: an actions test match and I'll bat with one of 148 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: these things. Anyway, bowler comes in, he hits it and 149 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: it makes this like ridiculous ping noise and what's going on, 150 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 4: Like what's he brought? Is like what is this bat? 151 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 4: Obviously you know he was known as a bowler, not 152 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 4: necessarily about it, but he's like he's thrashing the ball 153 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: and he's swishing it around and hitting drives and all 154 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 4: sorts of Anyway, the English, right now, we know they 155 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: love to winge in this case made for Justified, but 156 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 4: they do. They do love to complain in the English. 157 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 4: They come to the umpire, they show the umpire the 158 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 4: ball which looks like a bloody squash tomato with this 159 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 4: sign because like Lily's been smacking it with this bit 160 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 4: of animinium, and they say this is no good. We 161 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 4: can't do this, and Lily, of course, he says he's ground. 162 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 4: He gets fired up, he digs in his he goes, well, 163 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 4: there's nothing in the rules because they was I can't 164 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: back with an antiminium bat. Even the other OSSI is 165 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 4: right at this point, are like, mate, you need to 166 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: calm down. The captain, Greg Chappel, he's like, just to 167 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 4: get this, take this wooden bat, start using his wooden bat, 168 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 4: pull your finger out right and start like start anyway, Lily. 169 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 4: He cracks the shits and he's like, absolutely not. I'm 170 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 4: playing with this. I don't care. The sales is going 171 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: to be terridic. Greg Chapel, the captain in the end, 172 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 4: grabs a wooden bat off the twelve man, strides out 173 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: of the crease, attempts to take the aluminium bat off 174 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 4: Lily and give him this wooden bat. Lily again, he's 175 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: crackticed out. He piffs the aluminium bat away. He's having 176 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 4: a ten potential, but eventually he takes this bat that's 177 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 4: made a willow chuck the aluminion about forty meters towards 178 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 4: the crowd. People the ducking out of the way. Unbelievable. Anyway, 179 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 4: there's only many bat taken off. Lily starts playing again 180 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 4: with the willow bat and the game continued, but once 181 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 4: again this prompted a change in the rules, the laws 182 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: of cricketers. They're known. They had to specifically amend these 183 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: laws to say no, actually your bat does need to 184 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: be made of wood. You can't use a metal bat. 185 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 4: But guess how the sales of these aluminium bats went 186 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 4: after this great, big controversy, right, ah, surely through the 187 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 4: roof flying off the shelves. And the most the funniest 188 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 4: thing about this story, right Lily later went and retrieved 189 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 4: the aluminium bat that he'd thrown away and discussed. He 190 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 4: went and got everyone on the Australian and the English 191 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,119 Speaker 4: team to sign it right as a bit of a souvenir, 192 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 4: and the English captain a bloker. His name was Mike. Really, 193 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 4: I think he realized what was going on here because 194 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 4: after he signed it, he wrote underneath his signature good 195 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 4: luck with the sales he saw right through Lily did. 196 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: I would love to know how much Lily made out 197 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: about how much his slice of the pie was. 198 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 199 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 4: Look, I couldn't find the firm numbers on that, but 200 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 4: I'm sure this was a bloke. He wasn't afraid of 201 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 4: a bit of a publicity's son. I'm sure he didn't 202 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 4: right for himself out of that one. 203 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: Hey, stick around in just a moment. We're going to 204 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: talk about it. 205 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: Fairly recent Ashes controversy that Piers Morgan described as. 206 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 4: It's maked of I'm sporting treachery by Australia. 207 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 3: Hm. 208 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: He was pretty fired up, wasn't he. We'll be back 209 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: in just a sec. 210 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: Welcome back, I'm chatting to Riley Knight, hosted the podcast 211 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: Half Past History. 212 00:09:58,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: Now. 213 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 2: Riley, you've been running us through the controversial moments from 214 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: the Ashes. The final one we're going to talk about 215 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty three. It's still quite raw for 216 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 2: a lot of brands, isn't it? 217 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 4: Look this this We're not even reopening old wounds here. 218 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 4: These wounds are open and festering because the English just 219 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 4: will not let this go right. They just cannot get 220 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 4: over this, and it's very, very frustrating when you realize 221 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: that the full picture of this story. Right. So set 222 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 4: the scene. We're playing the Ashes recently over twenty twenty 223 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 4: three in England. Right, Johnny Bearstow, the English wicket keeper. 224 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 4: He's at the crease, right, carries behind the stumps our 225 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 4: bloke and Bearstow is this habit of wandering out of 226 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: his crease right to do a bit of gardening. Very 227 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: common thing to do. Of course, a lot of batters 228 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 4: do that, but usually they're sort of they're okay, you 229 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 4: have dead ball. They go and they do this thing. 230 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 4: He does it once, he does it a second time, 231 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 4: and then at the end of the over he wants 232 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 4: out of his crease a third time. Within like you know, 233 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 4: the ball goes past him. The ball hasn't stopped moving 234 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 4: and he's already walking out of his crease. So Alex 235 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 4: Carey realizes there's an opportunity here. He takes the ball 236 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: and immediately just pips it back at the stumps. 237 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: Or Now this is going to be interesting. 238 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 5: Johnny bearst has walked out of his crease here. 239 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: This could well be out. 240 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't think there was a call of over. 241 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: It technically counted as a stumping because Bearstow had moved 242 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 4: out of his criest to fiddle around with the pitch 243 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 4: and he was out. He was given out by the umpires. 244 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: The English are furious. Now listen, let's take the Australian 245 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 4: England rivalry out of this. Let's look at this objectively. 246 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: This was not a particularly sporting thing to do. Necessarily 247 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 4: like there is that argument that there's the letter of 248 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 4: the law, there's the spirit of the law. Was this 249 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 4: done within the spirit of the game? And I would 250 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 4: be sympathetic to many of the arguments that the indignant 251 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,199 Speaker 4: English were putting forward, winging about how this was inappropriate 252 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: and wasn't a thing to do and was it is 253 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 4: just not crept right, I'd be a lot more open 254 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 4: to those arguments if Johnny Bestow himself hadn't done exactly 255 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 4: this before, right, Yes, exactly and multiple times as well. 256 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 4: So he got a bloke named Sammit Patel out in 257 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: twenty fourteen doing exactly this right during a county game. 258 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 4: In fact, it was even worse because Pattel didn't walk 259 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 4: out of his crease. He just lifted his foot above 260 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 4: the crease line, right, and the best whips off the 261 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 4: bales right. But also in the evenings before it, or 262 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 4: like previous to this stumping right, he tried to do 263 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 4: it Demanus he piffed the ball at the stumps when 264 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 4: Lamashine was at the crease. 265 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: He'd done it that he tried to do it that 266 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 5: nash right. So the English getting on the high horse 267 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 5: and saying, oh'll just do some done right. Also Brendan McCallum, right, 268 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 5: the English coach who used to play for the Kiwis, 269 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 5: he did this like three times in his career as 270 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 5: a keeper as well. When he did it right, his 271 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 5: captain turned around and said no, no, no, this is 272 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 5: now we're getting someone out. No the captain of overturn 273 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 5: the umpire's decision, right, which is a very sporting thing 274 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 5: to do. Cummins didn't elect to do that. And look, 275 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 5: you know, maybe people think you should have, think you 276 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 5: shouldn't have. That's the argument that's ongoing. But my point 277 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: is this, you lose any moral high ground you have, 278 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 5: You lose any authority you have to tell us off 279 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 5: of doing something like that when you have done it yourself, 280 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 5: and the bloke managing the team has also done it 281 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 5: himself as well. So look, the argument is going. 282 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 4: To go on for a very very long time. But 283 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: I think that the English position is fundamentally weakened by 284 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 4: the fact that the bloke winging about all this had 285 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: perpetrated this in the past, Like come on mate, what 286 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 4: are you doing. 287 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: The Brits were so fired up about this, even the 288 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: Prime Minister got involved. I don't know if you've seen 289 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 2: this great docco series on Amazon Prime Video Sport Raley. 290 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 4: It's called The Test. 291 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: They actually had cameras inside the Australian room there at 292 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: Lord's after that session. In play, this comment from Marcus Harris, 293 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: the Aussie player, talking about the response from the English 294 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: crowd cracked me up. 295 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: No listen now, kicking off over the fence, I was like, 296 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 4: you're right, the rules. 297 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: You're an idiot. 298 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: He's got a point, right, it was within the rules. 299 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: The Brits wrote the rules. 300 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,239 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, stop complaining. 301 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the Malbone Cricket Club owns, like owns the 302 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: copyright to the laws of cricket, right, they're they're fiercely 303 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: protective of them. If they didn't want this sort of 304 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 4: thing to happen, they're the ones who with the power 305 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: to change it. But at the end of the day, look, 306 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 4: we look for any reason to get fired up over 307 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 4: this series quite so seriously, I know it sounds like 308 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 4: a tired old cliche, but there is something very very 309 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 4: special about the Ashes. It is one of the oldest, 310 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 4: It is one of the fiercest sporting row not just 311 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: in cricket but in the world. It is such an iconic, 312 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 4: such a huge part of not just Australians but Australian 313 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 4: culture and whatever your view is on like recent controversy 314 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 4: or the history of the game, whether you love cricket, 315 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: whether you hate cricket, whether you you know you have 316 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: it on the background and sitting there glue to every ball. 317 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: You can't deny that the sporting, the cultural, the social impact, 318 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: the political impact. Sometimes when prime ministers get involved with 319 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 4: this sort of stuff of this game, right, this silly 320 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 4: sport that we love so much, the ashes are are 321 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 4: phenomenon and I'm so I really am so excited to 322 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: wash us buddy five over once again. We've done it 323 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 4: three times and we'll do it again. Let's get into it. 324 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: Ah, A very big thank you to Riley night. Geez, 325 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 2: he was fired up as well, wasn't how I could 326 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: hear the passion in his voice. Make sure you check 327 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 2: out his podcast. Okay, it's called Half Ass History. It's 328 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: so much fun. 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