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Speaker 2: Welcome to Behind the Drapes. I'm your host Brent Draper
Speaker 2: aka Drakes, and I'm Sean.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Behind the Drapes.
Speaker 1: And today we have guests in the studio, which is
Speaker 1: really exciting. We have Matt and stew from Ancestral Nutrition.
Speaker 1: Welcome guys, Thanks for being here.
Speaker 2: Thanks, It's really exciting actually because normally I'm just sitting
Speaker 2: here facing you talking, so finally someone else to talk
Speaker 2: to you. I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: Should be offended by that, but I'm not.
Speaker 2: First of all, you guys own Ancestral.
Speaker 1: Ancestral he says it all the.
Speaker 2: Time, Ancestral Nutrition. How we sort of met you guys
Speaker 2: is quite funny. Actually, we were trying to get a
Speaker 2: business loan, or talking about a business loan, and you
Speaker 2: have a second business that deals with that, so we
Speaker 2: were sort of going through the process of that. You've
Speaker 2: seen it on the kitchen bench and you sort of
Speaker 2: asked about it and then Sean started rattling off, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I love it. It really helps me out. It's giving me
Speaker 2: some you know, energy boosts in life. And you were
Speaker 2: just like, yeah, well that's actually my company. You're in
Speaker 2: the business.
Speaker 1: So it was what that was wild. That was like
Speaker 1: the stars aligned in that moment, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: Lucky you didn't like start going, oh yeah, I'm not
Speaker 2: too sure.
Speaker 1: About it, waste of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was just gonna publicly not use it.
Speaker 1: But I had, like I was in my postpartum phase,
Speaker 1: and like for anyone that's listening that's had a baby,
Speaker 1: you know, mum or dad, you're just tired, Like you're
Speaker 1: so depleted, and I feel like you're just reaching for
Speaker 1: like any quick fix, which usually is in a coffee
Speaker 1: or you know, a chocolate or whatever it's going to be.
Speaker 1: But for me, i'd seen your product. I'd seen another
Speaker 1: influencer using it. She had a discount code. I was
Speaker 1: like sweet, And I was so tired that morning that
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just I didn't even like do
Speaker 1: my research, which probably sounds bad to you guys, but
Speaker 1: I didn't. I just like literally went to the website,
Speaker 1: clicked it, put in her code twenty per off and
Speaker 1: then got it in the mail, started taking it and
Speaker 1: was like, fuck, I feel so much better. It was weird.
Speaker 1: And then for you guys to come in the door
Speaker 1: and see it on the counter, which it lives there
Speaker 1: because I take it every morning, it was just uncanny
Speaker 1: that you were like, yeah, so we actually owned the company.
Speaker 1: I was like what. And then we went on from there.
Speaker 1: So that's how we met and that's how we got
Speaker 1: you guys here today. So we want to firstly talk
Speaker 1: about stew So you are an OG in the space
Speaker 1: of health and wellness, and what our listeners won't know
Speaker 1: about you is that you actually created a company many
Speaker 1: moons ago. I'm not sure how many years ago it was,
Speaker 1: but twenty twelve, okay. And so what you did all
Speaker 1: that time ago was you introduced the very first whole
Speaker 1: food protein powder to the Australian market, which is huge.
Speaker 1: Congrat's amazing. And ever since then, obviously the industry has come,
Speaker 1: you know, leaps and bounds. There's a million one products
Speaker 1: that you can buy now that are whole food vibes
Speaker 1: when it comes to protein and supplements. But can you
Speaker 1: just give us a quick recap around this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back in the day, I had a business
Speaker 3: partner and he was a good friend of mine, and
Speaker 3: we lived in Sydney and were surf life savers and
Speaker 3: Couldie Beach every Saturday. We used to talk and brainstorm,
Speaker 3: and he was a personal trainer and had a real
Speaker 3: interest in the health and wellness space, but were struggling
Speaker 3: with the concept of helping his clients lose weight. He'd
Speaker 3: just been taught the basics of the food pyramid and
Speaker 3: exercise more and eat less if you want to lose weight,
Speaker 3: and it wasn't working for his clients. And at the time,
Speaker 3: he had the opportunity to come up to the Gold
Speaker 3: Coast from Sydney and work with a group of renegade
Speaker 3: health professionals and this is back in the day, twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: before all these crazy food philosophies even existed, and to
Speaker 3: work with them for a week. They had a group
Speaker 3: of patients who were typically cancer patients and they were
Speaker 3: working on a new protocol lifting weights and cleaning up
Speaker 3: their diet completely, almost like a modern day paleo. And
Speaker 3: he was tasked with helping them supplement their training protocols,
Speaker 3: and so he went out onto the high street and
Speaker 3: he was looking for a clean protein powder but couldn't
Speaker 3: find anything that wasn't sweetened and had fillers and thickness
Speaker 3: and artificial flavors and colorings under the sun. And so
Speaker 3: he came back to me and said, I think I've
Speaker 3: got a concept of an idea. What do you think?
Speaker 3: And so we worked together on this concept, managed to
Speaker 3: connect with some organic blenders and contract manufacturers and nutritionnis
Speaker 3: and nature paths in that space, and we formulated something
Speaker 3: that became a whole food protein powder that anybody could take,
Speaker 3: irrespective of who you were, whether you were a toddler
Speaker 3: or you were pregnant expecting, all the way up to
Speaker 3: elite athlete. We called it a superfood protein and we
Speaker 3: launched that back in the day when nothing like that existed,
Speaker 3: and it took off really really quickly, but our customers
Speaker 3: were still confused about how they should eat, and so
Speaker 3: we decided, well, mainstream advice just doesn't seem to be
Speaker 3: working for anybody like we were confused as well with
Speaker 3: the mixed messages, and so we decided to start a
Speaker 3: podcast and reach out to all the experts in their
Speaker 3: specific and specialized fields to try and figure out what
Speaker 3: they had assigned perhaps their life journey to understand whether
Speaker 3: it was gut health, brain health, weight loss, sleep, all
Speaker 3: of the above. And we just talked to them for
Speaker 3: an hour, pick out all the juicy bits and share
Speaker 3: it with our audience and learn ourselves as well, because
Speaker 3: we were on a fact finding mistery now, we just
Speaker 3: wanted to learn as much as we could, and this
Speaker 3: was an opportunity for us to get out there and
Speaker 3: speak with like the best of the best. That quickly
Speaker 3: took off as well, and that spiraled into a real
Speaker 3: passion which was just fact finding and just finding out
Speaker 3: all that is information that then started to spawn kidogenic
Speaker 3: diets five to sixteen eight, you know, fasting protocols, carnivore veganism, kedo,
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff that came after that. And
Speaker 3: so we really had a great insight into what the
Speaker 3: impact of different ways of eating has on your body,
Speaker 3: and also what nutrient depletion looks like and can look
Speaker 3: like across all the different styles of eating. And so
Speaker 3: that kind of cemented in me the importance for nutrient density,
Speaker 3: which is really it doesn't matter what you're eating as
Speaker 3: long as you're getting the nutrients that your body needs
Speaker 3: to thrive, then you've got a really good foundation to
Speaker 3: be healthy. In the back of my mind, I had
Speaker 3: ideas about what we're doing today, and I'd worked with
Speaker 3: Matt in my former company and we've become good friends,
Speaker 3: and we just got together and formulated this idea for
Speaker 3: ancestral nutrition, and it's where we are at the moment today,
Speaker 3: Like we're loving it and living it, and it's growing
Speaker 3: rapidly and we're helping a lot of people and it's
Speaker 3: because of what the product offers. And we'll get into
Speaker 3: that a little bit later on, but that's kind of
Speaker 3: the backstory.
Speaker 1: It's such a cool story. And as I'm listening, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you really are like the ogs in this space. You know.
Speaker 1: It's there are so many subpermers out there, and there
Speaker 1: are so many like influencers, all like key people of
Speaker 1: influence and are just like banging out a supplement because
Speaker 1: they're trying to sell some product. I appreciate that side
Speaker 1: of it in that they've got a following and they're
Speaker 1: trying to help in some way. But you have done
Speaker 1: like the research over like fourteen years, and then.
Speaker 3: We started to get deeper and deeper into the weeds
Speaker 3: and understood that the gut is really pivotal for optimal health,
Speaker 3: and a lot of people say all the illness starts
Speaker 3: in the gut. It just allowed us to fully understand
Speaker 3: what was actually happening. And when people were then thinking about, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm going to really go plant based to
Speaker 3: heal my gut, for instance, not saying plant based is
Speaker 3: bad in any way, shape or form, but then in
Speaker 3: the back of our mind, we think, wow, that's a
Speaker 3: lot of fiber. You know, it's a very fibrous diet.
Speaker 3: Is a high fiber diet, really great for gut health. Initially,
Speaker 3: if you've got issues with your gut, they no, it's
Speaker 3: not the best place to start. And so allowed us
Speaker 3: to start thinking about the products that we could formulate
Speaker 3: to help people solve whatever pain point that they're struggling
Speaker 3: with at the moment. Our bodies change, you know from
Speaker 3: year to year, what we ate last year may not
Speaker 3: suit us this year, and body composition changes. Things slow
Speaker 3: down and speed up. I want to be doing what
Speaker 3: I'm doing now, Yeah, in twenty years time, thirty years time.
Speaker 3: And obviously it's very hard given the current landscape. The
Speaker 3: landscape isn't set to allow us to thrive. We've got
Speaker 3: lots of frankin foods and environmental toxins in the air and.
Speaker 2: Water, and also vice. Everyone's after the quick fix one
Speaker 2: hell totally. You know, you've got that motto your head,
Speaker 2: all that the belief that there's that one fixed pill,
Speaker 2: and really you know there's not, no that's right.
Speaker 3: There's a foundation to health.
Speaker 1: Something that comes along and you're like, oh, that isn't
Speaker 1: the right thing for me. Maybe I try this, Like
Speaker 1: it's hard to keep up with. It's like a bloody
Speaker 1: full time job.
Speaker 4: Does state of confusion is what comes to mind for me.
Speaker 4: People are bombarded with all the different diet types, all
Speaker 4: the different strategies to lose weight, feel better, you name it,
Speaker 4: and they just move from one of these you want
Speaker 4: to call them a fad diet whatever you want to
Speaker 4: call them one to the other to the other, and
Speaker 4: they get to a point of confusion and exhaustion and
Speaker 4: actually give up.
Speaker 1: They don't do anything.
Speaker 4: They don't know who to look to. And I think
Speaker 4: that's a big issue too.
Speaker 1: What is ancestral nutrition and what are we talking about
Speaker 1: when we talk about primal energy supplements.
Speaker 4: Ancestral nutrition is our overarching kind of philosophy for what
Speaker 4: we're looking at. We often tell the story about our
Speaker 4: grandparents that used to eat organs. They tell your stories
Speaker 4: about lambs, fries and steak.
Speaker 2: And kid as a kid, it's not that thing my favorite. Like,
Speaker 2: I could smell it cook and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 4: Wanted to eat that way, it's not quite as easy
Speaker 4: as it used to be. And you know, with our
Speaker 4: grandparents that used to eat like that and they were
Speaker 4: fitting healthy, and nowadays it's harder to get on top
Speaker 4: of the fact that we kind of find it a
Speaker 4: bit disgusting icky to have a great big liver and
Speaker 4: we cut it up and it's bloody and hard to eat.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of my percenter.
Speaker 4: Is that weird?
Speaker 2: Is that weird?
Speaker 1: Three men?
Speaker 3: No, it isn't weird at all, because visually it looks
Speaker 3: exactly like.
Speaker 1: Think of that. We saw it recently and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's I pulled it out the other day because we've
Speaker 1: kept I don't know, we're going to try.
Speaker 3: It with liver and onions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a bit of bacon.
Speaker 4: Really, the problem that we're solving is that, you know,
Speaker 4: our grandparents had something to eat that was nutritious and
Speaker 4: gave them what they needed. Nowadays we can't get it.
Speaker 4: And so essentially what we're doing is we're bringing back
Speaker 4: something that our ancestors ate in a convenient form. So
Speaker 4: the liver is no longer a big bloody thing that
Speaker 4: it looks like a percenter and that you sit on
Speaker 4: the table. It's already been freeze dried and ground to
Speaker 4: a powder put into a capsule, so you can't smell
Speaker 4: it and taste it, and you can just conveniently taken
Speaker 4: in the morning. You can have your bottle take it traveling,
Speaker 4: so it's super easy to get a super whack of vitamins,
Speaker 4: you know, you be vitamins, vitamin A, iron, et cetera.
Speaker 4: So that's sort of, you know, that whole overarching view
Speaker 4: of that ancestral part where we're really connecting with how
Speaker 4: we used to eat. You know, the reality is if
Speaker 4: we ate like our grandparents, we don't have a business
Speaker 4: anymore because we wouldn't need it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe the fact that people don't understand is
Speaker 3: that organs liver in particular is the most nutrient dense
Speaker 3: food on the planet. By numb nothing comes close to it.
Speaker 3: So it's packed full of nutrients, just as Mother Nature
Speaker 3: intended in the right ratios. So there's a synergy of
Speaker 3: vitamins and minerals that work together to assist each other.
Speaker 3: But it just delivers such a nutritional punch that it
Speaker 3: is unbeatable. But it just is tarnished with the kind
Speaker 3: of yucky.
Speaker 2: Fact because the reason why all the like the big
Speaker 2: predator animals eat that liver firsteah, and now we just
Speaker 2: you can just take it on capsule, Yes she can.
Speaker 1: So the next question we're going to ask was why
Speaker 1: beef organs and what is so great about them? You've
Speaker 1: kind of started covering that, but can you give us
Speaker 1: some insight into why these organs it's beef rant yep.
Speaker 4: So, being ruminant animals, they naturally deliver high and nutrient
Speaker 4: value in the organs. And so liver in particular is
Speaker 4: the hero is stew alluded to super high concentration of
Speaker 4: bee vitamins across the board, but in particular B twelve
Speaker 4: it's got good amounts of vitamin A as well as
Speaker 4: copper zinc and a whole plethora of other vitamins and minerals.
Speaker 4: And so you know B twelve, especially if you're on
Speaker 4: a vegetarian or vegan style diet, you're naturally going to
Speaker 4: be low in the B twelve in your system, and
Speaker 4: so you know, it's an easy way to reintroduce those
Speaker 4: vitamins back into your diet. When we look at the
Speaker 4: other organs, so Kidney's got a good amount of selenium.
Speaker 4: Spleen is where you get a real punch of iron.
Speaker 4: Heart's got some coke ten and a few other little
Speaker 4: bits and pieces. So each of the organs has their
Speaker 4: own little unique kicker if you like the B vitamins
Speaker 4: and the vitamin A and the little bit of iron
Speaker 4: that you get in is the reason. It's the superhero
Speaker 4: of all the organs, right, and.
Speaker 1: That's why it's good for what it has been for
Speaker 1: me for postpartum, I guess because I'm lacking iron, which
Speaker 1: I was during my whole pregnancy, So that's why I
Speaker 1: felt maybe a good effect from it.
Speaker 4: Would you say that, yeah, partly? I mean I would
Speaker 4: say that there could be two factors, right, So with
Speaker 4: your anemia if you want to call it, that can
Speaker 4: be caused by two things, So it can actually be
Speaker 4: low iron. So you're lacking a little bit viroe in
Speaker 4: your diet, and so yeah, the introduction of either liver
Speaker 4: or particular spleen can increase your iron levels, and that's
Speaker 4: one way to feel better. The other one is that
Speaker 4: there's a different type of anemia that's caused by bee
Speaker 4: vitamin deficiency. And so what that does is it impacts
Speaker 4: the body's ability to create good quality red blood cells.
Speaker 4: And so therefore you've got iron in your system, but
Speaker 4: your body can't use it, probably yes, And so by
Speaker 4: introducing the B vitamins and the vitamin A, it allows
Speaker 4: the body to create a much better quality red blood
Speaker 4: cell that can bind hemoglobin. That combine the iron binds
Speaker 4: the oxygen and you feel fantastic.
Speaker 3: We liken it too. I mean you are filling in
Speaker 3: the nutritional gaps. You may be iron and B twelve
Speaker 3: deficient and trapes. You might struggle with ZENC and copper
Speaker 3: and any of these trades minerals that are really important
Speaker 3: as well to thrive. Depending on where you are on
Speaker 3: your health journey, who knows, but because of the length
Speaker 3: and breadth of nutrients that organs offer, there'll be plugging
Speaker 3: gaps somewhere along the line. And it's coming from whole food,
Speaker 3: so it works. We mentioned bioavailability, and I know that
Speaker 3: there are some nutrients out there that are not easy
Speaker 3: to convert from either plant food or synthetics. But when
Speaker 3: you actually get it from an animal based product that
Speaker 3: is as Mother Nature intended, unadulterated, we don't mess with
Speaker 3: it in any way apart from freeze drying it. Then
Speaker 3: all of the goodness is in there and it's very
Speaker 3: readily available to the body. We have a philosophy which
Speaker 3: we call the Primal Code, and that talks to pillars
Speaker 3: of health, which is nutrition, movement, mindset, and sleep. And
Speaker 3: you've got to really talk to all of those pillars
Speaker 3: in able to have that structure of the building actually
Speaker 3: work for you. And from a nutritional perspective, we advocate
Speaker 3: eating whole foods just as nature intended. So if you're
Speaker 3: going to eat a piece of fish, eat a piece
Speaker 3: of fish ingredient one. Don't go and get a piece
Speaker 3: of frozen fish that's crumbed and battered and statined and
Speaker 3: flavored and all that kind of stuff with fifty ingredients.
Speaker 2: But it's so easy.
Speaker 1: So you're saying, with carty fish fingers, I love a
Speaker 1: fishing I'm gonna like it.
Speaker 3: No comic.
Speaker 1: If you're listening, we're still boying fishing, is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So obviously Sean, you took it after pregnancy and
Speaker 2: lacking an iron and all that, But I also take
Speaker 2: it too. There's a difference between the two that we take.
Speaker 2: For other people who might be struggling in something, is
Speaker 2: this going to help them in some way?
Speaker 4: The bee vitamins do way more than energy. They contribute
Speaker 4: to psychological health. They contribute to skin health, same with
Speaker 4: the hair and all those sort of things. And so
Speaker 4: when you combine it with the other organs, are bringing
Speaker 4: in different things like seleniums another good one that feeds
Speaker 4: into all of these biological systems that produce weird results
Speaker 4: like my hair's thicker and longer. And so this is
Speaker 4: where you know that question about who's at four. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's for everybody because the way we often describe it
Speaker 4: is the But it's not like a calculator where you
Speaker 4: put something in and you can calculate what you're going
Speaker 4: to get out. It's more like a colder and a
Speaker 4: chemical system where if you just put in some raw ingredients,
Speaker 4: your body is going to determine what it needs to do.
Speaker 4: With those things different and so what my body needs
Speaker 4: out of beef liver at this moment in time maybe
Speaker 4: different to yours. That's where you get these really drastically
Speaker 4: different outcomes and what people experience on it.
Speaker 3: Out of all of the pillars, So nutrition, movement, mindset, sleep,
Speaker 3: sleep is the number one. If you don't nail your sleep,
Speaker 3: everything else crumbles because you wake up, you're feeling tired,
Speaker 3: You're less sensitive to insulin, so you're going to crave
Speaker 3: carbi food, so there's junkie foods for instant gratification. You're
Speaker 3: not going to feel like exercising, so perhaps you skip
Speaker 3: the gym. You're going to be cranky, you have brain fog,
Speaker 3: and it just spirals on from there, so you don't
Speaker 3: feel like doing any of these things. Whereas if you
Speaker 3: nail sleep and you work to nail sleep, once that's
Speaker 3: nailed and you wake up feeling fully refreshed, and you think, right,
Speaker 3: I'm going to make intentional choices for my health today.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start with a great breakfast, So I'm
Speaker 3: going to prioritize protein and fat like these are the
Speaker 3: big ones, and I'm not going to jump onto a
Speaker 3: carbi breakfast which will then set you up on an
Speaker 3: insulin rollercoaster later on. So you're having the muffin at
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock and then that guides you into the wrap
Speaker 3: and theo at one o'clock.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with them.
Speaker 2: I've got a few recipes for you. This is like
Speaker 2: too good to miss because like how important sleep is
Speaker 2: and how much you've worked on it. What would you
Speaker 2: say your three most important things?
Speaker 3: So there are things that you can do. There's housekeeping
Speaker 3: that you can do on sleep. So the bedroom obviously
Speaker 3: needs to be super dark, like you can't see your
Speaker 3: hand in front of your face dark. Yeah, it has
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 2: I've heard red light things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is that any light is an issue because we
Speaker 3: have a pineal gland that detects light and our body
Speaker 3: produces hormones sleepy hormones. Melotonin is one you'd probably be
Speaker 3: aware of that. We can stop the production of that
Speaker 3: by telling the body that it isn't dark yet. It's
Speaker 3: hence with bright lights and devices, so your point to
Speaker 3: the red light absolutely, So it's like you're shining a
Speaker 3: torch in your face. You're telling your body that it
Speaker 3: is still daytime. So downregulate the production of Melatonian like,
Speaker 3: we don't need it yet because it's daytime. You can
Speaker 3: use night shift or whatever the app settings are on
Speaker 3: your devices. Again, we shouldn't be using our devices past
Speaker 3: a certain point because you're stimulating your brain and we
Speaker 3: don't want to be stimulating our brain. At nine o'clock
Speaker 3: at night.
Speaker 1: Our hallway is literally like this light here in our
Speaker 1: studio because he has a nightlight on, and we see
Speaker 1: in our bedroom it's changed the.
Speaker 3: Lights to orange or red lights. Okay, that's a no brainer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: reduce the stimulation later on at night. If you've nailed
Speaker 3: your sleep hygiene so the room is dark, you're on
Speaker 3: top of your lights noise as well. If noise is
Speaker 3: a real issue for you, wear ear plugs. I mean,
Speaker 3: you've got children now, so I'm not wearing.
Speaker 1: Ear plugs to you. If someone breaks in the house
Speaker 1: and tries to kill me, I want to hear it.
Speaker 3: Now, but you won't know about it, and I.
Speaker 2: Will.
Speaker 1: I have this chat with a girlfriend lately and her
Speaker 1: husband wears earplugs, and she's like, I do not know
Speaker 1: how he does that, because how is he not scared that,
Speaker 1: like the house is burning down, you can't hear it?
Speaker 1: So one of you.
Speaker 2: But if it's burning down, I'm not going to hear
Speaker 2: the smoke. I'm not going to hear the you know,
Speaker 2: I'm going to I'm going to smell it.
Speaker 3: That term ignorance is bliss perfect.
Speaker 1: He is going to get us killed. No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: So I get that, but I.
Speaker 3: Can't do that reduce the stimulation. We've got two parts
Speaker 3: of our brain. We've got this thinking brain, which is
Speaker 3: often referred to as monkey mind. We don't want to
Speaker 3: be engaging our thinking brain too much before we go
Speaker 3: to bed because obviously we want to try and rest
Speaker 3: and relax, so so they.
Speaker 2: Don't think about all the anxious, stuffy, try not to Yeah, right, wrong, man.
Speaker 3: I recorded a good episode on our podcast with a
Speaker 3: neuroscientist and he was talking about how the brain works,
Speaker 3: and he gave me a great tip and I've used
Speaker 3: this for many years now. And essentially, if you're the
Speaker 3: type to wake up in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: and you start to think and your brain races and
Speaker 3: the monkey mind comes and you can't get back to sleep.
Speaker 3: But that's your thinking brain, So so you need to
Speaker 3: switch that into to another gear, a reverse gear. And
Speaker 3: the way that you can do that is by instead
Speaker 3: of thinking about things, try recal, try remembering, and that
Speaker 3: down regulates your thinking brain and it works a treat.
Speaker 3: So what I do is I'll watch some dumb ass
Speaker 3: Netflix show before I go to bed because it just
Speaker 3: switches off that thinking brain, and then if I do
Speaker 3: wake up, my default action is to think immediately about
Speaker 3: the Netflix show and reenact that show in my brain.
Speaker 3: It works. It works a treat.
Speaker 1: Can you do memories at like a childhood memory? You can,
Speaker 1: So you can be a memory.
Speaker 3: You can think about anything. I always like a backup
Speaker 3: plan as well if that one doesn't work. So I
Speaker 3: go to the gym every morning before work. I reenact
Speaker 3: my workout in my head, but in detail. I'm walking
Speaker 3: into the gym, I press the button, the door opens,
Speaker 3: I walk in, I turn right. I put my bag
Speaker 3: on the lockers, I take my tail out. I've got
Speaker 3: my weight gloves. I put them on. I go up
Speaker 3: to the bench press. I take a twenty kg plate,
Speaker 3: I put it on. What does it feel like when
Speaker 3: it's sliding on the plate. I won't even get to
Speaker 3: the point where I'm lifting a weight and I'm asleep.
Speaker 2: So I feel like I'd like I walk up to
Speaker 2: the gym, I press the button. Yeah, oh no, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that would be Yeah. It's kind of like
Speaker 2: a meditation, is it is. It's kind of like taking
Speaker 2: it into a point.
Speaker 3: It is you just repeat these things and then that
Speaker 3: will help you drop. I think the like the thinking
Speaker 3: brain that starts to worry about stuff, the angle's brain,
Speaker 3: and then you will naturally gravitate to better choices throughout
Speaker 3: the day. The moment you gravitate into a better nutritional choice,
Speaker 3: then you're setting yourself up for even more success during
Speaker 3: that day. And that's where, like we said, we're talking
Speaker 3: about the organs, like, there's no magic pill, but if
Speaker 3: you get all of the other pillars in place, like
Speaker 3: that little pill, that just fill in the little gaps there,
Speaker 3: and that's it.
Speaker 2: Now, that's the best version of you. Best version.
Speaker 1: So okay, let's say optimal sleeps up the cards. Because
Speaker 1: of us, we're in the thick of kids. What's the
Speaker 1: next best thing for optimal health?
Speaker 3: All right, it's easy. Eat whole foods.
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's less about what you put in and more about.
Speaker 3: What you one hundred percent. Oftentimes people ask me, well,
Speaker 3: you know, I want more, like, give me a better example,
Speaker 3: give me a bigger tip, And I say, avoid anything
Speaker 3: that contains vegetable oil, like anything that has processed vegetable oil.
Speaker 3: And you'll be sitting there and they'll be friends of ours,
Speaker 3: will be in their beautiful organic crackers and beat root
Speaker 3: tahini dip, and there'll be all of these, you know,
Speaker 3: beautiful kind of Mediterranean style process foods there, every single
Speaker 3: one of them will have vegetable oil. And that's linked
Speaker 3: in the underground world, which is alternate health to a
Speaker 3: cascade of inflammatory processes in the body, which impacts skin,
Speaker 3: which impacts sleep, cardiovascular health, all of the above. If
Speaker 3: you work to pull out anything with vegetable oil in
Speaker 3: your diet, you will immediately clean up ninety nine point
Speaker 3: nine percent of your nutritional choices and you're filling a
Speaker 3: million bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always to do that. Yeah, to do that.
Speaker 2: It's just harder to break that cycle.
Speaker 3: And if you get that right, especially with whole foods,
Speaker 3: and I mentioned before about and fat dominant breakfast, if
Speaker 3: you get that right, snack becomes a word that you
Speaker 3: never use because you're not hungry. Why would you need
Speaker 3: a snack Because you've given your body everything and needs
Speaker 3: at the start of the day, like I'll eat at
Speaker 3: six forty five in the morning, like big, big, big breakfast,
Speaker 3: like the biggest breakfast and Harver smoothie. After that, I'll
Speaker 3: have lunch at two thirty. There's no snacking in between,
Speaker 3: there's no need to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Isn't it funny? Sometimes it's you don't need to eat breakfast,
Speaker 2: and then well, breakfast is the most important thing. But
Speaker 2: then this was coming from when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: Breakfast is the most important thing, and it was coming
Speaker 2: from a cereal company. Yeah, yeah, of course, h okay,
Speaker 2: so okay, So breakfast is the most important part of
Speaker 2: the day. But the right foods.
Speaker 4: And there's an analogy that I've heard other people talk about,
Speaker 4: like when you go to the supermarket, you've got all
Speaker 4: the center aisles, and then you've got the perimeter.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The perimeter has the fruit, the vegetables, the meat, yeah,
Speaker 4: the dairy, et cetera. Right shop. If you shopped only
Speaker 4: the perimeter, you've pretty much just got whole foods.
Speaker 2: Right. Generally speak, just go to a hot lap of
Speaker 2: the seed market.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, because the middle aisles you'll find is where
Speaker 4: all of the hidden seed oil is so when we
Speaker 4: say vegetable all right, as a chef, right, you go, yeah,
Speaker 4: but I'm frying in this right, and that's where your
Speaker 4: mind goes immediately. But it's the hidden version where people
Speaker 4: are caught out. I think. So if you go and
Speaker 4: take any store bought mayonnaise, it's all made on some
Speaker 4: type of vegetable oil, whereas it super easy to make
Speaker 4: your own mayonnaise at home with a nice clean AVO
Speaker 4: or olive oil. And so it's little switches like that
Speaker 4: that have dramatic health impacts. And it's those things where
Speaker 4: people don't even know it's there and then you feed
Speaker 4: them to the kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: The hot lap, the hot perimeter of the supermarket, I
Speaker 4: reckon is another simple thing that if am I buying
Speaker 4: an ingredient to make something, or am I buying something
Speaker 4: that's already made for me? And nine times out of ten,
Speaker 4: the thing that's been made for you has got stuff
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 2: You don't want.
Speaker 1: It's fifty nasties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's got to be able to sit on the
Speaker 4: shelf for how long, So it's got to have things
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 1: We discovered this about our oat milk. But it's like
Speaker 1: just that mindset shift of like I was going, but
Speaker 1: we've always had it. It is what I It's like,
Speaker 1: I can't be that bad visual or whatever. It's vegetables.
Speaker 2: You know, you've always been told you can't cook with
Speaker 2: extra virgin olive oil. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: my friend she started at olive. Is it called a vinyard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, theyd olive oil.
Speaker 2: Beautiful extraversional ball, and she's like, no, it's all myths.
Speaker 2: You can deep fry extra virginally all, it's just that
Speaker 2: you can't do it too much because the smoke point.
Speaker 2: But the smoke point is two hundred and something degrees
Speaker 2: and you actually fry at one hundred and eighty, so
Speaker 2: you never actually reach that smoke point, so it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter anyway. It's like all a cop out. So like
Speaker 2: I've fully gone to, like the only oil I really
Speaker 2: ever used for cooking is extravergional oly wall yeah, with
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which also cost us an armor a lake. Like
Speaker 1: we're literally never going to be able by house because
Speaker 1: we're too busy bang olive oil.
Speaker 4: So if you want another hack for like another good
Speaker 4: cooking oil is make your own tallow and it's super easy.
Speaker 2: You just grab the fat.
Speaker 4: Grab the fat from.
Speaker 2: And that's doing a big like a lot of restaurants
Speaker 2: are going back that way.
Speaker 4: If you go to the butcher, you'll get them sometimes.
Speaker 4: So imagine you've got a kilo of beef fat and
Speaker 4: for me, I just dice it up into little cubes.
Speaker 4: You just put it straight into a fry pan or
Speaker 4: a saucepan, and you just put on a low heat
Speaker 4: and it'll cook out all of the oil. And then
Speaker 4: what's left behind is all of the connective tissue in
Speaker 4: the fat. When you're rendering it, all of that stays
Speaker 4: in there and cooks hard, and you get like a
Speaker 4: I call it a croutons, like a beef crouton. So
Speaker 4: you strain out all of your oil. Once you finish,
Speaker 4: that goes into a container that you can then cook with.
Speaker 4: Stays in the fridge for months and months, but it
Speaker 4: won't last that because you keep using it because everything
Speaker 4: you cook in it tastes ten.
Speaker 1: They taste so good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And those croutons the day you make them, you
Speaker 4: take them out, drain them, cover them in salt, and
Speaker 4: it's the best.
Speaker 3: Take my money.
Speaker 1: Can you make this rough? So good? I feel like
Speaker 1: people are really scared of oil. They are, They're like
Speaker 1: and even for me, so I'm tracking like my calories,
Speaker 1: I'm tracking protein because I want to lose the last
Speaker 1: time my little baby weight for bowie. And when I
Speaker 1: put olive oil in, Like there's so many calories and
Speaker 1: olive oil, and people I think are scared when they're
Speaker 1: trying to lose weight or be healthy of too much oil.
Speaker 1: Even like avocados. People are like there's so much fat
Speaker 1: and oil and have cars. You shouldn't have them. And
Speaker 1: You're like, it's a bloody fruit or is it vegetable
Speaker 1: whatever it is, Yeah, it's a fruit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well think about I mean people on keto diets.
Speaker 3: People go on keto diets to lose weight. That's a
Speaker 3: high fat.
Speaker 1: Do they have this weight on them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Though it is successful.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, It's about what you take out, not what you
Speaker 3: put in. I wouldn't worry about the avocado. I mean
Speaker 3: there's that saying is it don't blame the burger for
Speaker 3: what the bun? Did you know? It's the process cover hydrate,
Speaker 3: it's not the meat. So I don't think the like
Speaker 3: the avocado or the olive oil, Like, no, that's going
Speaker 3: to satiate you, so it's going to make you feel
Speaker 3: nice and full. If you take that out, then typically
Speaker 3: you're going to have to replace that with some form
Speaker 3: of energy, and you'll probably be gravitating more towards the
Speaker 3: kind of carb process. You give me a wrap or
Speaker 3: a roll or a bagel or whatever that might be,
Speaker 3: whereas if you go for your protein and your fat
Speaker 3: game over on snacks, you don't need that exactly.
Speaker 4: Another important part of the fat discussion is there's certain
Speaker 4: vitamins and minerals that are only found in animal fats,
Speaker 4: So take the tallow or butter or other animal fats
Speaker 4: as well. There components in there that you can't get
Speaker 4: anywhere else. There is and they were just referred to
Speaker 4: as the fat sober vitamins traditionally ADEK, so some of
Speaker 4: them are in other products, but there are certain things,
Speaker 4: certain ones in there, you can't get anywhere else. So
Speaker 4: unless you eat some butter or some dairy that's got
Speaker 4: fat in it, or tallow or a fatty steak or whatever,
Speaker 4: you're missing out on key things. And so back to
Speaker 4: the beginning of the conversation around you know, the nutrient
Speaker 4: density that Stew's talking about if we go to our
Speaker 4: grandparents who ate the way that we've been talking about,
Speaker 4: they weren't nutrient deficient at all. And then as the
Speaker 4: next generations come along, they've replaced animal fat with the
Speaker 4: vegetable oil. So vegetable oils not only are they bad
Speaker 4: for you from the sense of a biological point of view,
Speaker 4: but they lacked nutrients, so their nutrient void. So what's
Speaker 4: happened is we've replaced foods that had lots of nutrients
Speaker 4: in them with lots of nutrient void foods that are
Speaker 4: high in energy. And so the body is eating these
Speaker 4: things and going, well, I'm not getting what I need.
Speaker 4: I'm still hungry, so go back to the cupboard. And
Speaker 4: so what Stews alluding to in regards to the protein
Speaker 4: and the fat is if you have two of the
Speaker 4: most nutrient dense foods on the planet, which is a
Speaker 4: piece of meat effectively and some fat, you're already three
Speaker 4: quarters away to a point where you don't need to snack.
Speaker 4: The body's got what it needs on you go and
Speaker 4: do your tasks.
Speaker 1: So for those listening at home and for us, yes,
Speaker 1: if we're talking about nutrition, we've covered that, We've covered sleep.
Speaker 1: You said these are the pillars right, movement and mindfulness.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the movement, Like, what's your top tip?
Speaker 1: If I come to you and I'm like, hey, I
Speaker 1: don't even move at all.
Speaker 3: I interviewed a longevity doctor in the States a couple
Speaker 3: of years ago, and he was deep into the science
Speaker 3: of the art of longevity. And I asked him, what
Speaker 3: is the one thing that you can tell me that
Speaker 3: I can share with my audience that will enable us
Speaker 3: to be the best versions of ourself to live the longest,
Speaker 3: fullest lives.
Speaker 2: Can I guess, go on lifting weights walking.
Speaker 3: He leaned into the microphone and he said two words,
Speaker 3: and you've got it. He said, lift weights.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 3: And for females out there, you're never ever ever going
Speaker 3: to get big and bulky. It's impossible, like you just
Speaker 3: don't have the hormones for that to happen naturally. So
Speaker 3: if you can, like lift heavy things slowly. And the
Speaker 3: second one is just walk, just walk. If you've got
Speaker 3: to go shops to pick something up and it's a
Speaker 3: two minute drive, just walk there. Even if you can
Speaker 3: just hit five thousand steps a day and you can
Speaker 3: track it. Everybody has an iPhone, Just walk there. Are
Speaker 3: so many benefits. It is becoming like the new super
Speaker 3: exercise in all of the underground movement of health and
Speaker 3: nutrition and fitness. When you get up in the morning,
Speaker 3: if you do go out for a walk, don't wear sunglasses.
Speaker 3: Don't wear sunglasses because you are telling your body that
Speaker 3: it's still dark and your body needs to stop producing
Speaker 3: melatonin and it needs to switch on quartersole because it's
Speaker 3: your wake and that will help you reset your circadian
Speaker 3: rhythm and it helps you sleep that night as well.
Speaker 2: It's on a timer, isn't it. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Your circadian rhythm is in sync because if you've got
Speaker 3: up in the morning, you've got sunlight in your eyeballs,
Speaker 3: and if you can during the day, if you can
Speaker 3: get some sun on your skin as well and in
Speaker 3: your eyes, then that will really really help everything towards
Speaker 3: the backstage of that day. So everything comes into alignment
Speaker 3: when you just do simple things that we've always done
Speaker 3: for years. We eat real food, we move our bodies,
Speaker 3: we think happy thoughts, and we sleep.
Speaker 1: True or false. You have customers at Ancestral Nutrition who
Speaker 1: are vegans and vegetarians who buy these capsules.
Speaker 4: True and actually is the beginning of their journey away
Speaker 4: from vegan vegetarian back to I won't say animal based,
Speaker 4: but a more whole food diet. We hit it is
Speaker 4: quite a lot that they credit the Organs with being
Speaker 4: that first step. It's kind of like the gateway
Speaker 1: Gateway, yeah, the gateway back to our sausage y yeah,