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Speaker 1: Gooday, Welcome to the show. This is Better Than Yesterday,

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Speaker 1: useful tools and useful conversations to help make you all

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Speaker 1: day to day better than yesterday every episode since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: My name's Olsha Ginsburg and I am so glad you're here.

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Speaker 1: I am currently writing a third book, and this book

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Speaker 1: is lessons that I have learned from the podcast over

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Speaker 1: the last thirteen years, unearthing some of the best, best

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Speaker 1: ideas and ways of making things better from every conversation

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Speaker 1: I've had, and I just couldn't wait until it's published

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Speaker 1: to share this one with you today. It's a conversation

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Speaker 1: that I personally have reflected on many times to remind

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Speaker 1: myself that if Lucid Durak can do it, I can

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Speaker 1: do it. It's the thing I listened to when I remind

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Speaker 1: myself of when I need a nudge to get over

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Speaker 1: a challenge between me and something I want to achieve.

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Speaker 1: It truly is a blueprint for what can happen when

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Speaker 1: you set out to achieve a dream which seems absolutely impossible.

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Speaker 1: We're going to revisit my conversations day with the incredible

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Speaker 1: Australian musical theater superstar Lucy Durak. She is living proof

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Speaker 1: that persistence, strategic preparation, and a little bit of hope

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Speaker 1: can open doors that you never thought possible. Lucy Durak

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Speaker 1: in cas this is the first time you've heard her name,

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Speaker 1: is and always will be, the original Australian Glinda in

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Speaker 1: the smash megamusical Wicked. FYI, if you're not a musical

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Speaker 1: theater person, Glenda songs are really hard. She's also starting

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Speaker 1: legally Blonde Shrek the Musical. She's acted on film and television,

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Speaker 1: Doctor Doctor, Letdown Sisters seventy one. But before Lucy became

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Speaker 1: a household name, she was just another theater kid with

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Speaker 1: a huge goal, and she put in years, thousands of

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Speaker 1: hours of deliberate work to make her dream come true.

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Speaker 1: I found three parts of this conversation which I know

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Speaker 1: are just going to absolutely fire you up. They are

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Speaker 1: brilliant pieces of advice from Lucy on setting big, outstanding, hairy,

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Speaker 1: dacious goals, trusting the universe, embracing the entire journey regardless

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Speaker 1: of where you end up. Now, for Lucy, the pathway

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Speaker 1: to her becoming the original Australian Calenda began years before,

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Speaker 1: years before that. In a moment of true musical revelation.

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Speaker 1: A single song ignited an obsession really within her. In

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Speaker 1: that moment, she set herself a long term goal, which

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Speaker 1: prompted her to begin just relentlessly training for a role

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Speaker 1: in a show that did not exist.

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Speaker 2: I was in my friend Matthew Hayward's car and we

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Speaker 2: were in Melbourne. It was freezing, and he goes listened

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Speaker 2: to this new musical. I think he might have picked

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Speaker 2: driving me a fairly decent distance and I remember he

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Speaker 2: played me defining Gravity, which is Elfheber's song at the

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you like musical fit at all, you've

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Speaker 1: From bring one.

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Speaker 3: I saw the show Sane and I was like, heard that,

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Speaker 2: My goodness, And then the next time he played me

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Speaker 2: was Popular, and I was like, oh, like, I'm not

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Speaker 2: the person who can sing divine Gravity. I'm so in

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Speaker 2: I thought that sounds like that sounds like my bag

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Speaker 2: the more I kind of then became. I became obsessed

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Speaker 2: Fortunately, like YouTube and stuff, it had opened in two

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Speaker 2: obsessed with this show. And Kristin Chenoweth, who played Glinda.

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Speaker 2: I just thought she's so funny, and she's such a

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Speaker 2: of just started to try and do everything within my

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Speaker 3: Come to Australia. I didn't even know, because sometimes big

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Speaker 2: I mean, these days they mostly do come to Australia,

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I did. I listened to that song

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Speaker 1: I just love that. I love hearing how she dedicated

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Speaker 1: Lucy just set her. She set off on an intense

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Speaker 1: years long preparation, fueled by that single song, unflinching in

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Speaker 1: her vision of what she wanted to achieve, that she

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Speaker 1: would be Glenda in the Australian production of Wicked. Now,

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Speaker 1: things just didn't feel right. She didn't feel okay doing

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Speaker 2: So back into my old room, but I had no

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Speaker 2: And I started doing that really in quite a dedicated way.

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Speaker 2: And to this day, I can't hardly believe that that

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Speaker 3: I did get it. It was do you remember the audition?

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Speaker 1: Just a quick note here that if you're enjoying this episode,

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Speaker 1: I'll put the link in the show notes, says a

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Speaker 1: Lucy Jirach on the show today talking about how she

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Speaker 1: The full episode is fantastic. She talks about you know,

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Speaker 2: If you, in your heart know that you've worked hardest

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