WEBVTT - Is another Coalition spill brewing?

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<v Speaker 1>It started with a series of posts on social media

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<v Speaker 1>nostalgic images of Australia from decades ago, accompanied by statements

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<v Speaker 1>like we're starting to feel like strangers in our own home.

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<v Speaker 1>WA Liberal MP Andrew Hasty's public posts about what he's

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<v Speaker 1>calling out of control immigration, as well as housing and

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<v Speaker 1>energy costs have now led to his resignation. And while

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<v Speaker 1>that means he's on the backbench right now, the Conservative

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<v Speaker 1>MP has made no secret about his ambition to lead.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones and you're listening to seven AM Today

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<v Speaker 1>political reporter Karen Middleton on Andrew Hasty's rebellion and what

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<v Speaker 1>it means for Susan Lee's future. It's Tuesday, October seven,

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<v Speaker 1>So Karen late on Friday news broke that Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 1>had quit the front bench. So let's begin with the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons that he gave publicly for that decision.

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<v Speaker 2>So we know he has concerns about the levels of

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<v Speaker 2>immigration and Susan Leader, opposition leader, sent out what she's

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<v Speaker 2>calling charter letters to all the members of her front bench,

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<v Speaker 2>laying out her expectations and their responsibilities. And Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 2>says that the charter letter he received indicated that he

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<v Speaker 2>would have no role as Shadow Home Affairs Minister in

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<v Speaker 2>setting the party's immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was made clear that I wouldn't have any

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<v Speaker 3>leadership in that role, I thought it was time for

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<v Speaker 3>me to depart because essentially I want to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to speak about immigration, which I think is a critical

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<v Speaker 3>issue for a lot of Australians at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>The immigration part of the portfolio is more specifically held

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<v Speaker 2>by Paul Scarr, but normally ahead of the portfolio, the

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<v Speaker 2>more senior minister would also obviously have a role in

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<v Speaker 2>drafting policy. Said if he had no role in policy,

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<v Speaker 2>he was effectively being noveled. He couldn't serve. He spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to Susan Lee and he gave her his resignation.

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<v Speaker 1>And so talk to me, Karen about what has led

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<v Speaker 1>to this moment and some of the things that Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Hasty has been saying publicly in the last month or

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<v Speaker 1>so about the direction that he thinks coalition policy should have.

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<v Speaker 2>He has obviously been unhappy with the direction of policy

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<v Speaker 2>in the Coalition since the election. It was interesting he

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<v Speaker 2>was quite personally affected by the assassination of Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States, and since then He's been speaking

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<v Speaker 2>out a lot more directly about his views on a

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<v Speaker 2>range of issues, particularly on energy policy and the ambition

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<v Speaker 2>to reach net zero greenhouse gas emissions by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're going to destroy our country on that

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<v Speaker 3>current trajectory, and that's why I'm so opposed to sticking

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<v Speaker 3>with net zero and Labour's climate targets along the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Now your position.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't like that policy and he doesn't want the

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<v Speaker 2>coalition and to retain that policy. And we know there's

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<v Speaker 2>a core constituency within the right of the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly within the Nationals that are.

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<v Speaker 4>Opposed to that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was the issue he's been talking about most

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<v Speaker 2>forcefully recently, and suggesting that if the party, when it

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<v Speaker 2>finishes its review of that policy, persists with it, that

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't serve.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and Andrew Hasty is known for being very ambitious.

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<v Speaker 1>He has said that he wants to be the leader

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<v Speaker 1>one day. So just tell me a bit more about

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<v Speaker 1>him and how he's risen through the ranks.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, he was a Special Forces soldier.

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<v Speaker 2>He joined the Liberal Party and then entered the Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>more than ten years ago now. He entered on a

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<v Speaker 2>by election after the death of Don Randall, who was

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<v Speaker 2>a member for Canning in Western Australia, and Don Randall

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<v Speaker 2>died suddenly. Now it was interesting because he was recruited

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<v Speaker 2>under the leadership of Tony Abbot, and you'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>say he is an Abbot style politician.

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<v Speaker 3>The primary acts of sacrifice at the human level in

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<v Speaker 3>the common on Christian tradition are those of confession and forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 3>These acts go to the heart of individual and collective accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's got similar ideas on policy and ideology to

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Abbot. But by the time he actually won that

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<v Speaker 2>by election, Tony Abbott had been replaced by Malcolm Turnbull,

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<v Speaker 2>so there was already a bit of a negative frisson

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<v Speaker 2>between Andrew Hasey and the party leadership because Malcolm Turnbull

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<v Speaker 2>was much more moderate than Tony Abbott.

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<v Speaker 3>We are told that there is no such thing as truth,

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<v Speaker 3>that all opinions are equal, and that our heritage is

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<v Speaker 3>no more unique than any other cultural achievement. I reject

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<v Speaker 3>this culture of relativism, both on moral and intellectual grounds,

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<v Speaker 3>for the threat opposers to our civic culture, and because

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<v Speaker 3>it is rationally, morally and practically unsustainable.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Andrew Hasty is held and won that seat repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>and increased his margin. He certainly increased his margin at

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<v Speaker 2>the last election, which was going against the trend of

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the Liberal Party effectively. And he sees

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<v Speaker 2>himself as reflects the views of his constituency. And he's young,

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<v Speaker 2>he's outspoken, he's well read, he's thoughtful, but he's also

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<v Speaker 2>very conservative and he has these strong ideas making him

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<v Speaker 2>step forward and speak more loudly and put his views

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<v Speaker 2>out there in a way that doesn't necessarily gel with

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<v Speaker 2>the current leadership of the party. And it's going through

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<v Speaker 2>a review process. So there are a number of people

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<v Speaker 2>saying just just wait for the review, but he is

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<v Speaker 2>not doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And speaking of that review, it's being reported that

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton has been laying a lot of the blame

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<v Speaker 1>for that election loss at Andrew Hasty's feet.

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<v Speaker 4>So tell me about what's being said. Yes, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a report in the nine newspapers this week suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>that Peter Dutton has really slammed Andrew Hasty and his contribution.

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<v Speaker 2>The newspapers are quoting an anonymous source who's saying that

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<v Speaker 2>someone who should have been a powerful voice in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>tearing strips off labor was absent, skin to do media

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<v Speaker 2>all lazy. Now, that is an anonymous source reporting the

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<v Speaker 2>view of Peter Dutton. But it seems that Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>has made some quite strong criticisms of Andrew Hasty.

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<v Speaker 4>There was a review.

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<v Speaker 2>This report says that he was supposed to conduct into

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<v Speaker 2>defense policy, and the allegation is that it wasn't completed,

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<v Speaker 2>that it wasn't done in time, and there wasn't enough

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<v Speaker 2>work for the party to bring the policy forward.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we know that towards.

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<v Speaker 2>The end of the election campaign, certainly there was tension

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<v Speaker 2>between Andrew Hasty and Peter Dutton. Peter Dutton eventually went

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<v Speaker 2>to Perth and there was a testy press conference where

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<v Speaker 2>it was quite clear that there'd been a disagreement over

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<v Speaker 2>defense policy. And Andrew Hasty had been sort of silent

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<v Speaker 2>and not been doing much. And Andrew Hasty has told

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<v Speaker 2>those newspapers that he rejects all of that, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>false narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Hasty also swears that Susan Lee has his support.

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<v Speaker 4>So should we believe that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they always do have their support until they don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Rube.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the way it generally goes.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I mean, I think he made a decision after

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<v Speaker 2>the election, when the contest was opened for the leadership

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<v Speaker 2>that he wouldn't run, and he made the point that

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<v Speaker 2>he has a young family, but equally ambitious politicians who

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<v Speaker 2>are looking to feature leadership want to choose their time carefully,

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<v Speaker 2>and after an election, when your party's been absolutely wiped out,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of takers generally for that responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>because it's a terrible job trying to pull a party

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<v Speaker 2>together after it's been smashed like that.

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<v Speaker 4>But Andrew Hasty clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Wants to have a go, and he is positioning himself

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<v Speaker 2>as the conservative alternative ahead of Angus Taylor.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the objective, and we'll see how long he waits.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up the growing chorus of dissent coming from the backbench, Karen,

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<v Speaker 1>How did Susan Lee respond to Hasey's decision to resign.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she said she was disappointed as she would have

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<v Speaker 2>preferred that they were able to reach a compromise and

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<v Speaker 2>he could stay.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it coincided.

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<v Speaker 2>We see revelation that some of the women who had

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<v Speaker 2>married or been partners with ISIS fighters and had gone

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<v Speaker 2>off to the Middle East, had come back to Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>planned its finally recently with their children.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that's controversial.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been long disagreements within the political parties of what

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<v Speaker 2>should happen with those That issue emerged as Andrew Hasty

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<v Speaker 2>was resigning from the Home Affairs portfolio, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>is the portfolio with this is relevant. So you know

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have a spokesperson, so I guess you can

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<v Speaker 2>read her comments about disappointing in that context as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you mentioned, Hassey now joins another fairly right

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<v Speaker 1>wing Liberal figure on the backbench just sent a Nabajimba.

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<v Speaker 1>Price was fired from cabinet just a few weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been covering federal politics for a very long time,

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<v Speaker 1>so tell me, I mean, what can happen to a

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<v Speaker 1>party when you've got high profile diskgrunt toward politicians on

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<v Speaker 1>the back bench with time on the hands.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Ruby, it's never good.

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<v Speaker 6>The Western Australian mpay the latest in a growing group

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<v Speaker 6>of former front benches doing their bidding from the back,

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<v Speaker 6>including Liberal senators Jane Hume, Sarah Henderson just sent a

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<v Speaker 6>NAMP and jimper Price and MP Tony passon alongside Nationals

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<v Speaker 6>colleagues Matt Canavan and former Deputy Prime ministers Barnaby Joyce

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<v Speaker 6>and Michael McCormack.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing is, you know, they all talk a lot

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<v Speaker 2>on all sides of politics about importance of debate.

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<v Speaker 4>On the labor side, they are are very disciplined.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't countenance to sit and if there are front

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<v Speaker 2>benches who descend from cabinet positions or speak out against them,

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<v Speaker 2>their mira out of the cabinet and they would be

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<v Speaker 2>out of the party if they can't support those positions.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Liberal Party is always pointing to that and

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<v Speaker 2>saying you don't tolerate a range of views. At least

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<v Speaker 2>we're a broad church. But equally in the Liberal Party

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<v Speaker 2>there's a fine line, or maybe it's not so fine

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<v Speaker 2>between the airing all the range of views and allowing

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<v Speaker 2>people to have different opinions and what looks like chaos

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<v Speaker 2>and the old saying if you can't govern yourselves, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't govern the country. But it just lays bare the

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<v Speaker 2>underlying tensions in the Liberal Party that you have a

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<v Speaker 2>conservative wing and a moderate wing and people trying to

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<v Speaker 2>bridge those two and they didn't manage to do it

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<v Speaker 2>successfully at the last election, and they're not doing it

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<v Speaker 2>successfully at the moment. And they've got another two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half years to see if they can pull it

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<v Speaker 2>together and find a compromised position that might make them

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<v Speaker 2>viable as an alternative government in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>And susonly, I mean she won the leadership on a

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<v Speaker 1>very narrow margin. It was twenty nine to twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>She's only been there for five months, and it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really seem like her party has given her much runway

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to steer the coalition in the direction

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<v Speaker 1>that she wants. So how in your view is she

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<v Speaker 1>handling that challenge well.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember that three of those votes, at least three

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<v Speaker 2>of those votes are no longer there. Giselle Ktirian, who

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<v Speaker 2>was the Liberal candidate in one of those till seats in.

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<v Speaker 4>Sydney who didn't ultimately win it. She's not there.

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Holly Hughes and Senator Linda Reynolds both left the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate in July, so that vote on paper at.

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<v Speaker 4>Least is now shrunk to one.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a suggestion that she's won a little more support

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<v Speaker 2>by the way she's handled herself, and certainly early on

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<v Speaker 2>asserting herself dealing with the Nationals insurrection. She has one,

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<v Speaker 2>respect and support from colleagues. But if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>opinion polls, and we had another news poll out this week,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not showing there in terms of the party's vote.

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<v Speaker 2>This is always the period, as I say, where nobody

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<v Speaker 2>much wants the job. But that's going to change within

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<v Speaker 2>the next year and she'll have a fight on her hands.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's clearly in a pretty precarious position. Is they're

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<v Speaker 1>talking camera of a leadership spill anytime soon?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so, not imminently.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because when a resignation like Andrew Hasti's comes along,

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<v Speaker 2>often that does precipitate a leadership challenge. In this case,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the resignation won't immediately precipitate a leadership challenge.

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<v Speaker 2>But having Andrew Hasty, someone that prominent on the back

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<v Speaker 2>bench and clearly able to speak his mind even more

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<v Speaker 2>and clearly not inclined to support moderate positions on energy

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<v Speaker 2>policy or immigration policy, is going to make that job

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<v Speaker 2>even harder for Susan Lee.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Karen, thank you so much for your tame.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Ruby.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, a sixty year old man

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<v Speaker 1>has been arrested after fifty to one hundred gunshots for

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<v Speaker 1>fire indiscriminately. It passes by over a two hour period

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<v Speaker 1>in Sydney's Inner West on Sunday night, one man aged

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<v Speaker 1>in his fifties was shot in the neck and chest.

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<v Speaker 1>He was taken to hospital in a critical condition and

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<v Speaker 1>underwent emergency surgery. More than a dozen others were hospitalized.

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<v Speaker 1>Police say they are currently probing the motive of the

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<v Speaker 1>alleged gunman, and Australia and Papua New Guinea have signed

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<v Speaker 1>a landmark defense agreement that would commit the two nations

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<v Speaker 1>to defending each other in the event of a military attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and PNG Prime Minister James mara

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<v Speaker 1>Pe signed the Pook Pook Treaty at a ceremony at

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament House in Canberra yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for listening.