WEBVTT - The Bolt Report | 29 October

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<v Speaker 1>It's a big show tonight. The Marrickville Golf Club scandal

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<v Speaker 1>gets even worse. I'm going to meet the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the golf club that didn't get a handout from Anthony Albanese.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister's ridiculous spin on the inflation crisis, a

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<v Speaker 1>devastating fact check on that, and a question, does anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the government... or any government in this country actually

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<v Speaker 1>understand business. And that includes the embarrassing confession by the

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<v Speaker 1>tax commissioner and so much more, including Barnaby Joyce. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a very special new kind of abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>I find it actually very interesting. And I've got to

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<v Speaker 1>deal with it before telling you about an amazing report

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<v Speaker 1>by armed forces into war crimes in Afghanistan. News that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to make some Ben Roberts Smith supporters think, actually, good.

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe not. I've been abused for decades by the left,

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<v Speaker 1>as you probably know, for fighting for conservative values, truth, freedom,

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<v Speaker 1>rule of law, Western civilisation, and against revolution, tribalism and

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<v Speaker 1>sheer bull. Now, for that, I've been sued, I've been censored,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been threatened with beheading, I've had to move my

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<v Speaker 1>children to safety, I've been attacked in the street and

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<v Speaker 1>I've been called some terrible names, but I've too rarely

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<v Speaker 1>been answered with reason. But what's new now is that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being abused by the woke right. I'm a traitor,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a turncoat, I'm fighting for the enemy, I'm a cretin,

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<v Speaker 1>a swamp creature, the controlled opposition, Someone's actually compromised me,

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<v Speaker 1>it said. I'm a fake conservative. Pages of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus dozens of emails from viewers more today warning that

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<v Speaker 1>after years of watching this show, of being a fan,

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<v Speaker 1>they are switching off. Now, don't worry, I'm still top

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<v Speaker 1>of the news 24 pops, guys, so maybe a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those viewers warning they'll switch off still secretly prefer

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<v Speaker 1>truth to tribalism. Tough facts rather than Cheap slogans that

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<v Speaker 1>feed their prejudices. Because really, no, I haven't changed at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And like many of these haters, I still do fight

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<v Speaker 1>for conservative principles and have for decades longer than they have,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them. So the abuse of the woke right

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<v Speaker 1>is about as useless against me as the abuse of

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<v Speaker 1>the woke left has been for all that time. And

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<v Speaker 1>these frauds, really, think about it, they are so alike.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got the woke right getting all excited by Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>watching him lying and abusing and bullying people, just like

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<v Speaker 1>so many on the woke left. They also see the

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<v Speaker 1>money and the influence that so-called Christian podcasters now, such

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<v Speaker 1>as Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens, have, feeding their tribes

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<v Speaker 1>by variously claiming Bridget Macron is a man. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>believe it? Hitler was no threat, said Tucker Carlson the

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<v Speaker 1>other day. Charlie Kirk, a senator, was assassinated by his

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<v Speaker 1>own wife. Did you know that? And Vladimir Putin, he's

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<v Speaker 1>our friend. Mad stuff like that. And a bit too

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<v Speaker 1>much Jew hatred as well. These are creeps who appeal,

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<v Speaker 1>like left ones do to their people, they appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>barbarians who love feeling part of a tribe, don't really

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<v Speaker 1>care how they win, people who feel smart by believing

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<v Speaker 1>in conspiracy theories, the crazier the better. And to bullies

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<v Speaker 1>and underachievers who love the freedom to be vicious. They

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<v Speaker 1>can't win in debate, so let's hit something. Again, look

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<v Speaker 1>at those militant protesters on the street of the left,

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<v Speaker 1>how violent they like to get. Whatever it takes to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if, by the end of it, you look exactly

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<v Speaker 1>like the evil you thought you were fighting. How about

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<v Speaker 1>all those anti-fascist protesters who look exactly like fascists, even

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<v Speaker 1>dressed in black these days? These, woke left, woke right,

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<v Speaker 1>they are both sides of the same coin. Murderers of

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<v Speaker 1>reason and civility. And now our woke right has got

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<v Speaker 1>some common targets who they attack with little reason and

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<v Speaker 1>no fairness because the woke right needs monsters just like

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<v Speaker 1>the woke left needs monsters, needs to invent monsters like

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<v Speaker 1>me because that makes them feel they're in a holy

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<v Speaker 1>war and anything goes. Here are some of their targets.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, woke right targets. This Liberal frontbencher, Andrew Hastie,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as a Christian, as a former SAS captain,

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<v Speaker 1>as a deep believer in Western civilisation. But, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to be vilifying him on television and on

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<v Speaker 1>X and in One Nation cartoons. He's actually a traitor

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<v Speaker 1>and another fake conservative. Australian Federal Police Commissioner Chrissie Barrett.

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<v Speaker 1>She's damned by the same kind of people as a

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<v Speaker 1>woke affirmative action appointment. as Anthony Albany's pet poodle, a

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<v Speaker 1>useful idiot covering up for radical Islam. And then there

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<v Speaker 1>are those amazing conspiracy theories. Did you know that Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 1>President Volodymyr Zelensky, a Jew, himself started this war with

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<v Speaker 1>Russia and is persecuting devout Christians and getting rich by

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<v Speaker 1>secretly selling the weapons the stupid West gives him? Here's

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<v Speaker 1>another favourite. Did you know the Albanian government deliberately changed

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<v Speaker 1>our war crimes laws retrospectively two years ago to make

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<v Speaker 1>it easier to convict accused war criminal Ben Robert Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy a great war hero because they're traitors or something, globalists,

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<v Speaker 1>or they're woke. That's what it is. And now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there's me. And that's because I said that Barrett, who

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to for hours privately, actually seems an honest

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<v Speaker 1>woman trying to do things by the book. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>said that Andrew Hastie is an honourable man and no

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<v Speaker 1>traitor at all for being one of the 19 SAS

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers who gave evidence in the war crimes defamation case

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<v Speaker 1>launched and lost by Robert Smith. And because I said

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<v Speaker 1>that Donald Trump, for all the good he's done, has

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<v Speaker 1>also bullied, lied, sucked up to dictator Vladimir Putin, betrayed

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine's fight for freedom and bungled the war in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I'm attacked for, again, for proving in last

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<v Speaker 1>Monday's column that the war crimes laws were changed not

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<v Speaker 1>because of a get Ben conspiracy, but to fix a

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<v Speaker 1>stupid and obvious mistake in the wording of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>A mistake so obvious that the change will almost certainly

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<v Speaker 1>not hurt Ben Robert Smith at trial. In fact, could

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<v Speaker 1>actually help him, particularly if he gets off, which I've tipped. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there may be good arguments against what I say, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not that arrogant to think I'm always right. But

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<v Speaker 1>the woke right tells me what the woke left did too.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm scum, I'm dirt and worse. Now, from some true conservatives,

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<v Speaker 1>I do get polite arguments against what I say, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is great. I've written back to quite a number

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<v Speaker 1>of them. And I may be wrong, and I would

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate being stopped in any error I've made, before I

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<v Speaker 1>make a complete fool of myself. But so far, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think I have. And the most common reason I

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<v Speaker 1>am given for deserving the abuse, the most common reason

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<v Speaker 1>the woke right give, is that same poisonous Trump doctrine,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the doctrine of the barbarian, really. Attack, attack,

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<v Speaker 1>attack the enemy, because our side has got to win.

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<v Speaker 1>Or as Graham Richardson used to say, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>like it from him either, whatever it takes... I think, really? Really? Whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, even if the way we win makes us

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<v Speaker 1>look as vicious or stupid or dishonest or evil or

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous as the people we beat? By now, people watching

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<v Speaker 1>who think I'm talking about them, you know, they're Trump worshippers,

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<v Speaker 1>they're hasty haters, they're Barrett bashers and more. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be angry if they haven't turned off already, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry about that, but To worshippers of Ben Robert Smith,

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<v Speaker 1>I have, given this preamble, so, you know, excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>I have what you might actually think is good news

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Well, not. For the first time, our military

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<v Speaker 1>has accused officers of contributing to the alleged war crimes

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<v Speaker 1>committed in Afghanistan. Not just the soldiers at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the tree, the privates, the corporals and the sergeants.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people are getting very head up about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cover up. They're scapegoats. The Australian Defence Force

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<v Speaker 1>has released a summary of a report by its inspector general. Himself,

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<v Speaker 1>a former officer who served in Iraq, is entitled to judge.

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<v Speaker 1>And it says the army effectively lost control of the

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<v Speaker 1>Special Air Service Regiment during the war in Afghanistan, leading

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<v Speaker 1>to sergeants and corporals to fight the war as they wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>which for some turned out to involve, this report claims,

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<v Speaker 1>alleged unlawful acts including planting weapons on the bodies of

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<v Speaker 1>Afghans to suggest they were killed fighting. They weren't actually unarmed.

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<v Speaker 1>It says SAS members talked to the regiment, talked to

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<v Speaker 1>the Inspector General's team, talked to the regiment having a

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<v Speaker 1>bikey culture. And the report asks, how did officers back

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<v Speaker 1>at headquarters not pick this up? Which is what I've

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<v Speaker 1>wondered too. Why were they so incurious when there were rumours,

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<v Speaker 1>when there was evidence right in front of them suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>things were going very wrong. And here's the key passage

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<v Speaker 1>in this report. The inspector general writes, there was tangible

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<v Speaker 1>data available for higher headquarters through trends in growing numbers

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<v Speaker 1>of enemy killed in action, as well as features such

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<v Speaker 1>as a lack of wounded insurgents, only deaths, it said,

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<v Speaker 1>and the lack of ADF Australian casualties. By historical standards,

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<v Speaker 1>it says, elements of this data presented as most unusual,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is extraordinary that no effective action was taken,

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<v Speaker 1>given the gravity of the matters, the subject of rumours.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you got it? Suddenly, a lot more dead Afghans

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<v Speaker 1>turn up, surprisingly few of them wounded, they're dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>despite all these extra supposed kills in battle, bang, bang, bang, bang, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>look at all these Afghans be killed, amazingly few Australian

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers killed or wounded. Now, that should have rung a

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<v Speaker 1>very loud bell when there were also rumours that something

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<v Speaker 1>had gone wrong. As the report says, it is extraordinary

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<v Speaker 1>that opposite headquarters didn't look further, didn't take any effective action.

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<v Speaker 1>So now this case, of course, got much bigger. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not just Corporal Ben Robert Smith. the supposed scapegoats for

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<v Speaker 1>senior officers, the senior officers themselves back at headquarters, are

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<v Speaker 1>also under question now over alleged war crimes. They could

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<v Speaker 1>have maybe prevented war crimes that stained the army's honour. So,

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<v Speaker 1>can we now discuss all this without the abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>the evasions and the insults of woke right people who'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather yell, traitor, than discuss facts? You know, it's no

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<v Speaker 1>wonder that we in this country are getting poorer. No

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<v Speaker 1>wonder that we face an economic crisis. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>just look, there are signs everywhere now that the people

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<v Speaker 1>in charge don't actually understand how our economy works. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you example one, the tax commissioner admitting that

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<v Speaker 1>when he banned businesses paying their taxes by credit card,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't know that Two in the 25,000 or more

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<v Speaker 1>businesses do that to manage their cash flows.

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<v Speaker 2>As with the benefit of hindsight, and, you know, one

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<v Speaker 2>always hopes to live a bit longer to get a

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<v Speaker 2>bit wiser, I had jumped to the conclusion that managing

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<v Speaker 2>cash flow related to a situation where a person or

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<v Speaker 2>a business might be struggling if we'd I guess we

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<v Speaker 2>had the similar thing happen to us again. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we'd be more active in trying to engage with people

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<v Speaker 2>earlier and rather, from the point of view, here's a solution,

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<v Speaker 2>you have now time to adjust, actually engage in the

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<v Speaker 2>problem-solving activity itself.

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<v Speaker 3>We also saw yesterday in estimates the tax commissioner bell

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<v Speaker 3>the cat. They simply don't understand....

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't understand.

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<v Speaker 4>Bizarre, eh?

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<v Speaker 1>An example too, Victorian Premier Ben Carroll. He brought his

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<v Speaker 1>bus campaign to McDonald's, to McDonald's, and ordered food for

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<v Speaker 1>his staff without even having his own credit card to

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<v Speaker 1>pay for it. Oh, is this what you have to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Had to borrow his wife's phone. And example three, and

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<v Speaker 1>which is the worst, is the Prime Minister unable to

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<v Speaker 1>believe his government really is making our inflation worse with

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<v Speaker 1>its massive spending. And again today, he was blaming foreign

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<v Speaker 1>wars instead.

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<v Speaker 5>These are pressures that we have.

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<v Speaker 5>A roll-in in Australia domestically, but some of these pressures

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<v Speaker 5>are global, which is why we're seeing that global uplift

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<v Speaker 5>in inflation.

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<v Speaker 1>But if inflation is just a global problem, not Albanese's fault,

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<v Speaker 1>why does Australia have the worst inflation among all developed

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<v Speaker 1>countries except for Iceland? And why has Australia so far

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<v Speaker 1>hiked rates four times this year, probably a fifth next Tuesday...

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<v Speaker 1>twice as many as Europe and four times more than

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<v Speaker 1>the US. Leith van Onselen is an economist, the former

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury official, now co-founder of the very successful macro business website. Leith,

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<v Speaker 1>always good to talk to you. Look, Australia's economy seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be run by a lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>either reckless spendthrifts or don't know how business works. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I being too harsh? No, no, Andrew, I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fair criticism.

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<v Speaker 6>We've got total government spending tracking it around the pandemic highs,

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<v Speaker 6>yet the pandemic finished five years ago. And this reckless

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<v Speaker 6>spending is driving up demand across a supply-restricted economy, and

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<v Speaker 6>that's resulting in higher inflation, and that is now amongst

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<v Speaker 6>the very highest in the advanced world.

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<v Speaker 1>And as a result, the Reserve Bank.

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<v Speaker 6>Is being forced to fight against our government's reckless spending

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<v Speaker 6>by hiking interest rates to a 15-year high with another

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<v Speaker 6>rate hike likely on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's as simple as that. This way of fighting inflation, Leith,

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<v Speaker 1>strikes me because the government won't do it by cutting

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<v Speaker 1>spending and all that waste. It's left to the Reserve

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<v Speaker 1>Bank that can only do it by raising interest rates,

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<v Speaker 1>which particularly, of course, hits people buying a home for

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<v Speaker 1>a mortgage. Doesn't it, people like me, that pay their

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<v Speaker 1>mortgage off, it hits the young, young families and people

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<v Speaker 1>prudently trying to build their future. That strikes me as

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<v Speaker 1>monstrously unfair and against the national interest. Yeah, look, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a fair assessment.

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<v Speaker 6>High mortgage rates obviously disproportionately hurt the roughly one third

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<v Speaker 6>of Australians who carry mortgages, who are often families with children.

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<v Speaker 6>obviously the worst time in your life to have these

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<v Speaker 6>sorts of burdens. And also the surge in state and

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<v Speaker 6>federal government debt is also going to need to be

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<v Speaker 6>repaid by future generations, which is, I'd say, fundamentally unfair.

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<v Speaker 6>So younger Australians and future Australians are bearing the cost

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<v Speaker 6>of the government's waste and mismanagement over their budgets. And

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<v Speaker 6>I'll also add, Andrew, that high inflation does harm everybody,

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<v Speaker 6>but it especially harms lower income people and those on

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<v Speaker 6>fixed incomes. And that's why the Reserve Bank is taking action,

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<v Speaker 6>obviously hiking interest rates four times this year, probably another

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<v Speaker 6>one to come on Tuesday. So there's very few winners

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<v Speaker 6>at the moment. And what we really need is for

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<v Speaker 6>our governments, both at the state and federal level, to

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<v Speaker 6>go line by line through their budgets and cut any

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<v Speaker 6>unnecessary spending, basically anything that isn't core government business. So

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<v Speaker 6>we basically need a prolonged period of budget austerity to

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<v Speaker 6>take both the heat off inflation and also to return

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<v Speaker 6>our debt positions back to sustainable levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, except so many people now are on some form

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<v Speaker 1>of government income or payment that it's almost political suicide

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<v Speaker 1>to start that. We have created a gimme, gimme, gimme society,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm afraid. Leith and Onslin, always fantastic to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break, Barnaby Joyce on why the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>does lie and lie and lie. It's pathological. And is

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation taking orders from Gina Reinhart? Anthony Albanese just

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<v Speaker 1>stunned me today. Now, I said last night, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this Prime Minister so scared to simply admit

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<v Speaker 1>he made a mistake and say sorry? In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>say sorry for telling us, telling even Parliament a falsehood.

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<v Speaker 1>that the $ 6 million he gave to a golf club

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<v Speaker 1>very close to his own house was to fix its sewerage,

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<v Speaker 1>among other things, when in fact it was more to

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<v Speaker 1>titify its bar and alfresco dining and so on had

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to do with sewerage. Now, if he just said

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<v Speaker 1>straight up, look, I made an honest mistake, that would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the end of a fairly trivial story, really,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. but by twisting and fudging and lying day

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<v Speaker 1>after day about what he really said or didn't say,

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<v Speaker 1>he turned it into a political disaster. Now, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>at least he might have learned that lesson. But today, incredibly...

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<v Speaker 1>He actually kept going with another lie, or at best

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<v Speaker 1>a deliberate deception. He was asked in Parliament why he

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<v Speaker 1>had kept saying his grant was for sewerage works when

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<v Speaker 1>there was no mention of them in the plans or

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<v Speaker 1>the grant or the council documents or the decision brief. Nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen carefully to his answer.

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<v Speaker 5>On the 27th of April 2025, we made an election

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<v Speaker 5>commitment building and securing the Marrickville Golf Club precinct. that

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<v Speaker 5>went to a range of activities including today's election commitment

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<v Speaker 5>will go towards delivering an upgrade of the entire precinct

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<v Speaker 5>that everyone can share in and ensure this inner west

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<v Speaker 5>institution can be enjoyed for decades to come. It included

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<v Speaker 5>as well, it went on about storm water being harvested,

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<v Speaker 5>irrigating the golf course, the upgrade of better indoor amenities

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<v Speaker 5>with clubhouse renovations and the provision of community meeting and

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<v Speaker 5>function rooms. and went into boosting the health of the

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<v Speaker 5>nearby Cooks River.

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<v Speaker 1>That is stunning, as I said. Albanese selectively quoted from

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<v Speaker 1>his announcement last week year to falsely suggest, you just

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<v Speaker 1>heard it, that that reference he read out to the

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<v Speaker 1>health of the Cooks River was in fact a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to sewage works. In fact, it was not. You read

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<v Speaker 1>his document, still on his website, in full, and it

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<v Speaker 1>says no such thing. It says sustainability will also be

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<v Speaker 1>a focus of this grant, with stormwater to be harvested,

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<v Speaker 1>irrigating the golf course and the local sporting fields like

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<v Speaker 1>Marnie Reserve and Beeman Park, while boosting the health of

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<v Speaker 1>the nearby Cooks River. That is talking about stormwater works,

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<v Speaker 1>not about sewage at all. What on earth was Albanese

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<v Speaker 1>trying to, what swifty was he trying to pull off

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<v Speaker 1>in Parliament today? What kind of madness is it to

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<v Speaker 1>tell such an obvious untruth when he's been caught out

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<v Speaker 1>again and again on what was, I repeat, a minor issue?

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<v Speaker 1>It took me 60 seconds of internet searching to catch

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<v Speaker 1>him out again. Now, the opposition leader was totally justified

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<v Speaker 1>in saying there's a pattern here. In fact, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole damn chapter from a psychology text on compulsive lying.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister promised he wouldn't change CGT and negative

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<v Speaker 3>gearing before the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He promised a $ 275 cut to power bills that he

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<v Speaker 3>never delivered. He said he didn't mock the Japanese Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>When he did. He said he didn't fall off a

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<v Speaker 1>stage when he did.

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<v Speaker 3>He said his $ 6 billion grant to the Marrickville Golf

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<v Speaker 3>Club was to fix sewerage flows.

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<v Speaker 1>when it wasn't?

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<v Speaker 3>He said the relevant program wasn't invitation only when it was.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does this Prime Minister have such a difficult relationship

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<v Speaker 3>with the truth?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good question. It's just too easy now. Albanese

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<v Speaker 1>has made it too easy to be called out like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining me a short while ago was our Thursday regular commentator,

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce, the former Deputy Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 1>Barnaby Joyce, great to see you. I know this will

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<v Speaker 1>sound like a free kick. But I am really looking

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<v Speaker 1>for an insight here because it genuinely is puzzling to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Anthony Albanese, what's with this lying? What's with

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<v Speaker 1>this pathetic pretending that X is actually Y? Where does

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<v Speaker 1>that come from?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I think when people get elected, they get elected

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<v Speaker 8>as prime minister and then over time they become sort

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<v Speaker 8>of like the president. And if you leave them there

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<v Speaker 8>too long, they become a king and then they become infallible.

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<v Speaker 8>So there's nothing that they can say that cannot be

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<v Speaker 8>the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>It's only.

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<v Speaker 8>What they say is the truth. It's not facts are irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 8>It's what they say is all that matters.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, let's go through.

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<v Speaker 8>I just don't know where to start because the list

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<v Speaker 8>is that long. But let's start with the fact that

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<v Speaker 8>He said he wasn't going to change capital gains tax.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. He says he wasn't going to change superannuation.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. He says he wasn't going to change trust laws.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. He said he didn't fall off the stage.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. It was on camera.

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<v Speaker 8>He said he didn't insult the Japanese Prime Minister. He

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<v Speaker 8>quite obviously did. Everyone saw that.

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<v Speaker 4>That was also on camera.

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<v Speaker 8>He said he didn't create the slime sheet on Helen

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<v Speaker 8>Haynes But when we went through the metadata, it came

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<v Speaker 8>out of his office. Now he said that he'd bring

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<v Speaker 8>down the price of power.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't.

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<v Speaker 8>He has a climate change department that can't possibly change

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<v Speaker 8>the climate and costs us $ 8. 7 billion a year to

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<v Speaker 8>not do that. And now he's got this insanely... He said,

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't know about this golf club stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>He did. I wasn't involved with it. You were. You

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<v Speaker 4>announced it. It came from a grant for the poo. No,

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<v Speaker 4>it didn't.

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<v Speaker 8>It came to upgrade the golf course. The state government

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<v Speaker 8>paid for the poo. Then it was, oh, it was stormwater.

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<v Speaker 8>And then he says it wasn't the grant where they

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<v Speaker 8>had to sort of ring in and say, we've got

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<v Speaker 8>some money for you. Ring us back and we'll give

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<v Speaker 8>it to you. He said, oh, no, it wasn't one

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<v Speaker 8>of them. And then we look it up. It's the, yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>it's the classic one, like, As I said before, hey, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 8>send me a letter and I'll send you some money.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, by the way, this is Anthony. And then later on, oh, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 4>it's great to hear from you. Oh, you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>send me some money. Brilliant choice.

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<v Speaker 7>Bye.

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<v Speaker 8>The whole thing is insane. An election will come. Do

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<v Speaker 8>we start believing him then? It's just, I just don't

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<v Speaker 8>believe it. You know, I say what you like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>You're ridiculous. The whole charade's ridiculous. You're a liar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the thing is, Barnaby, I was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>puzzle this out earlier this week. You know, if he

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<v Speaker 1>just said, yes, I did fall off the stage, because

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<v Speaker 1>we all saw him, he fell off a stage.

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<v Speaker 4>We saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the cost? What was the cost? The cost

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<v Speaker 1>was in lying. I mean, I fell off a stage,

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<v Speaker 1>make a joke about it, and here too, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>made a mistake, I thought it was for this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I misspoke, it's actually for stormwater and for other little things.

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<v Speaker 1>What would it have killed him? It would not have

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<v Speaker 1>hurt him.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If he had done that last week or last month.

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<v Speaker 8>It's so weird, Andrew. I just think the fact that,

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, maybe what's more important in his upbringing,

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<v Speaker 8>he was loved so intensely by his mother, I've no

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<v Speaker 8>doubt she did, that she said to him, Anthony, you

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<v Speaker 8>can never do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>And he absolutely believed her.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, but Bob Hawke had... And he spoke of it himself,

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<v Speaker 1>a very loving, worshipful almost upbringing from his parents. And

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that gave him the confidence that just he

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<v Speaker 1>could shrug off anything. He didn't have to lie about it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just too good for any of that to

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<v Speaker 1>hurt him. That's another way. I keep coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>the idea, I wonder whether it's got... an inferiority complex

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<v Speaker 1>or an imposter syndrome where he cannot admit to the

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<v Speaker 1>slightest imperfection because it is pathological now and worse for him.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the way he deals with it, everybody knows it. Barnaby,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd better get on to business. A criticism of One

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<v Speaker 1>Nation is that it is limited in what it can say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, your biggest stoner by far is billionaire Gina Reinhart,

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine. although I'm not sure if that's true anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>I better ask her. She owns more than 17% of

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<v Speaker 1>Arafura Rare Earth, which says it wants the Albanese government's

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<v Speaker 1>free trade deal passed. But that trade deal, as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>includes clauses back in the Paris Agreement on climate change

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<v Speaker 1>that you oppose. The Coalition is going to reject that deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but you haven't yet. Why not?

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<v Speaker 4>No, well, we do not agree with the Paris Agreement.

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<v Speaker 8>We are pathologically against the Paris Agreement. and we will

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<v Speaker 8>be not supporting anything that puts legs on the Paris Agreement,

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<v Speaker 8>which I can't work out why the Coalition does support

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<v Speaker 8>the Paris Agreement but doesn't want the EU trade agreement

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<v Speaker 8>because it enforces the Paris Agreement. Why not just get

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<v Speaker 8>out of the Paris Agreement and save the confusion? I'll

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<v Speaker 8>tell you why, because the moderates won't let them in

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<v Speaker 8>their party.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's go through.

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<v Speaker 8>I know that within this agreement, as we go along,

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<v Speaker 8>there'll be nuances within amendments that will either make a

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<v Speaker 8>really bad idea worse... or could make a bad idea

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<v Speaker 8>less worse. Not better, but less worse. And I think

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<v Speaker 8>we've got to keep an open mind about that. And

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<v Speaker 8>one of the key areas is in beef. And I

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<v Speaker 8>come from a beef-producing family, to declare my interest, in

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<v Speaker 8>the protein capital of Australia, which is a city called Tamworth.

0:27:09.109 --> 0:27:10.790
<v Speaker 4>We produce protein, whether.

0:27:10.690 --> 0:27:17.770
<v Speaker 8>It's grains, poultry, beans, poultry, eggs, beef, sheep, you name it,

0:27:17.830 --> 0:27:20.610
<v Speaker 8>per person. We are the protein capital of Australia, when

0:27:20.730 --> 0:27:23.490
<v Speaker 8>Tammuz is producing, you're eating. And they are very, very,

0:27:23.609 --> 0:27:26.210
<v Speaker 8>very focused on saying, sure, if you don't agree with

0:27:26.230 --> 0:27:28.850
<v Speaker 8>the Paris Agreement, that's fine. You won't support it in

0:27:28.890 --> 0:27:30.830
<v Speaker 8>the whole at the end. We understand that. But on

0:27:30.869 --> 0:27:33.430
<v Speaker 8>the way through, you better completely focus.

0:27:33.190 --> 0:27:36.170
<v Speaker 4>On amendments and other sections which.

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<v Speaker 8>We do not want the Greens to be leading the

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.540
<v Speaker 8>way on because they will make things worse for us.

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<v Speaker 8>And I think we have a responsibility to talk to

0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:45.369
<v Speaker 8>key stakeholders and because we don't have the resources to

0:27:45.410 --> 0:27:48.670
<v Speaker 8>be absolutely across all this, and it would be ridiculous

0:27:48.710 --> 0:27:51.090
<v Speaker 8>at the start to say, yep, right across it, yep,

0:27:51.230 --> 0:27:54.560
<v Speaker 8>us and our six people in Parliament and our four

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.899
<v Speaker 8>staff all across it, nothing to worry about here, because

0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.439
<v Speaker 8>someone will just turn up and say, well, have you

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:02.420
<v Speaker 8>read clause three on page 58?

0:28:02.420 --> 0:28:03.500
<v Speaker 4>And you say, no.

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.100
<v Speaker 1>Because you should have. So you could reject the trade

0:28:07.140 --> 0:28:07.840
<v Speaker 1>deal for that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely.

0:28:10.330 --> 0:28:14.199
<v Speaker 8>I'd say it's highly unlikely you would support this trade deal.

0:28:14.260 --> 0:28:15.439
<v Speaker 4>I'm highly unlikely, almost.

0:28:16.140 --> 0:28:18.489
<v Speaker 8>In fact, I could almost say certainly we're not going

0:28:18.510 --> 0:28:20.830
<v Speaker 8>to support it. But what I can say is that

0:28:20.869 --> 0:28:24.510
<v Speaker 8>doesn't mean amendments through it that we aren't open to.

0:28:24.770 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. We'll be watching them. Of course. Of course. Of course.

0:28:28.220 --> 0:28:28.820
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>So the knock that Gina Reinhart pays you and then

0:28:32.940 --> 0:28:36.420
<v Speaker 1>you can't say anything going against what she wants, like

0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:40.130
<v Speaker 1>she really wants you to savage Andrew Hastie, you've done that.

0:28:40.170 --> 0:28:42.410
<v Speaker 1>Your party's called him a traitor. I know that you

0:28:42.430 --> 0:28:44.470
<v Speaker 1>don't like that at all, but that's what it's done.

0:28:45.470 --> 0:28:46.870
<v Speaker 1>That knock is not true.

0:28:48.060 --> 0:28:51.420
<v Speaker 4>Well, absolutely. And I'll just go through this, OK? This

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:51.820
<v Speaker 4>is the truth.

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.310
<v Speaker 8>I have not spoken to Gina Reinhart about the European

0:28:55.700 --> 0:28:58.890
<v Speaker 8>trade agreement. I have not spoken to any of her

0:28:59.370 --> 0:29:02.890
<v Speaker 8>office bearers or people associated with her about the European

0:29:02.930 --> 0:29:05.750
<v Speaker 8>trade agreement. I've not spoken to anybody who has been

0:29:05.850 --> 0:29:08.950
<v Speaker 8>sent by her about the European trade agreement or who

0:29:09.030 --> 0:29:11.430
<v Speaker 8>is representing her about the European trade agreement.

0:29:11.550 --> 0:29:13.730
<v Speaker 4>I am not. And nor would it matter if I did,

0:29:13.890 --> 0:29:16.590
<v Speaker 4>nor would I be embarrassed if I had. I just haven't.

0:29:16.750 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 4>This is how we're going about it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a highly successful businesswoman and I think her opinion

0:29:24.700 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>is always worth having, even if you end up not

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>agreeing with her. But absolutely. Barnaby Joyce, thank you so

0:29:31.790 --> 0:29:37.410
<v Speaker 1>much indeed for your time. Pleasure. Now, two quick things

0:29:37.490 --> 0:29:39.969
<v Speaker 1>before I go to the break. The latest Essential Poll

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.750
<v Speaker 1>shows One Nation federally tying with Labor on 28% after

0:29:44.770 --> 0:29:47.410
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a surge, with the coalition again edging

0:29:47.470 --> 0:29:52.230
<v Speaker 1>closer to Labor too, now on 23%. The big picture then,

0:29:52.330 --> 0:29:55.450
<v Speaker 1>with recent polls included, seems to be One Nation still

0:29:55.490 --> 0:29:59.800
<v Speaker 1>doing extraordinarily well But the Coalition coming back into the contest,

0:29:59.900 --> 0:30:03.540
<v Speaker 1>and I'd say that Labor now is in big trouble.

0:30:04.540 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 1>But the other thing, Victoria's going to go to the

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.870
<v Speaker 1>polls in just a month. There are now three big

0:30:09.930 --> 0:30:12.910
<v Speaker 1>parties contesting, same three that I've just mentioned, and News

0:30:12.910 --> 0:30:15.190
<v Speaker 1>24 and the Herald Sun are asking each of them

0:30:16.170 --> 0:30:20.410
<v Speaker 1>to a debate. The Liberals' Jess Wilson, Labor's Premier Ben Carroll,

0:30:20.750 --> 0:30:24.730
<v Speaker 1>and One Nation's Warren Pickering. We've even got lecterns ready

0:30:24.790 --> 0:30:28.270
<v Speaker 1>for them. Labor and One Nation have agreed, but the

0:30:28.290 --> 0:30:31.790
<v Speaker 1>Liberal's Jess Wilson refuses, saying she doesn't want One Nation there.

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.560
<v Speaker 9>The reality is that there are two people who can

0:30:35.600 --> 0:30:38.740
<v Speaker 9>be Premier after this election, Ben Carroll or myself.

0:30:39.180 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 7>And I've said I'm ready to debate Ben Carroll any day.

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<v Speaker 3>It says to me that they're dismissing somewhere in the

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:46.900
<v Speaker 3>order of 20% to 30% of Victorians' wishes.

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:48.140
<v Speaker 1>She's a lawyer by trade.

0:30:48.180 --> 0:30:50.719
<v Speaker 3>I think she should have no problems at all debating

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 3>a real bloke from the real world.

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.680
<v Speaker 10>This is the debate Victorians deserve.

0:30:56.730 --> 0:30:58.630
<v Speaker 1>I get it that Jess Wilson doesn't want to give

0:30:58.750 --> 0:31:03.030
<v Speaker 1>One Nation a platform, literally, and she's also very uncomfortable,

0:31:03.050 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I have observed, going off script. But I think she

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>does owe the one quarter of Victorians who back One

0:31:11.980 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Nation a debate on their future. So go do it.

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.700
<v Speaker 1>After the break, Anthony Albanese gives his local golf club

0:31:20.700 --> 0:31:25.150
<v Speaker 1>$ 6 million but wants to sell the golf club that's

0:31:25.290 --> 0:31:32.140
<v Speaker 1>used by... Soldiers! I'll talk to his president. But to

0:31:32.180 --> 0:31:37.020
<v Speaker 1>another development, a scoop, that for me highlights one particular

0:31:37.100 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>grubby aspect of the Prime Minister's grant of $ 6 million

0:31:40.220 --> 0:31:43.410
<v Speaker 1>to the Marrickville Golf Club, just near his house, in

0:31:43.450 --> 0:31:46.780
<v Speaker 1>his electorate. It's not just that he falsely claimed this

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>was to fix the sewerage works when it's really for

0:31:49.140 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>things like getting a nicer bar or a nicer alfresco area.

0:31:54.520 --> 0:31:56.580
<v Speaker 1>As I said last night, why are we even paying

0:31:57.000 --> 0:32:01.730
<v Speaker 1>a golf club six million dollars for that? And why

0:32:02.170 --> 0:32:06.230
<v Speaker 1>just this club of all the golf clubs in Australia?

0:32:07.710 --> 0:32:10.830
<v Speaker 1>Because let me show you the Fairburn Golf Club in Canberra,

0:32:10.870 --> 0:32:13.910
<v Speaker 1>which for more than 70 years has been used especially

0:32:13.970 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>by our servicemen and veterans, and which is now fighting

0:32:17.910 --> 0:32:22.060
<v Speaker 1>for its life. Because this very same Prime Minister that

0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.060
<v Speaker 1>just gave $ 6 million to his own local golf club

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:29.020
<v Speaker 1>is selling off the land of this one. I was

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:31.940
<v Speaker 1>joined a short while ago by the club's president, Brian Dupree.

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.110
<v Speaker 1>Brian Dupree, thank you so much for joining us. Why

0:32:36.230 --> 0:32:37.850
<v Speaker 1>is your golf club being sold?

0:32:37.870 --> 0:32:42.130
<v Speaker 10>So we were part of the Defence Estate Review back

0:32:42.190 --> 0:32:45.520
<v Speaker 10>in February. They announced 68 properties being sold. We were

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.840
<v Speaker 10>just one of them. And we leased the land from Defence.

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 10>It's interesting because they were selling it for two reasons,

0:32:53.500 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 10>as I saw it. One, to get it off the

0:32:55.180 --> 0:32:58.340
<v Speaker 10>Defence books because it's no longer required by Defence. And

0:32:58.380 --> 0:33:00.660
<v Speaker 10>the second, to make some money for the Defence budget.

0:33:02.010 --> 0:33:05.800
<v Speaker 10>The first one of those is, There are other options

0:33:05.820 --> 0:33:09.790
<v Speaker 10>than just selling it. There's options to transcript another government department,

0:33:09.870 --> 0:33:13.230
<v Speaker 10>let the community golf club still run. They could give

0:33:13.270 --> 0:33:15.469
<v Speaker 10>it to us as a not-for-profit with the caveat that

0:33:15.490 --> 0:33:17.750
<v Speaker 10>we have to run the golf club. The second one

0:33:17.810 --> 0:33:21.070
<v Speaker 10>is more important because you only make money if you

0:33:21.110 --> 0:33:24.030
<v Speaker 10>sell it, but we're right close to an airport. We're

0:33:24.070 --> 0:33:26.270
<v Speaker 10>close to a live firing range. We're close to air

0:33:26.290 --> 0:33:31.570
<v Speaker 10>traffic control transmitters. We're classed as broad acres, so effectively farmland.

0:33:31.910 --> 0:33:35.660
<v Speaker 10>We have contamination on the PFAS contamination on the So

0:33:35.780 --> 0:33:38.900
<v Speaker 10>all of those things counter the value of the land

0:33:38.940 --> 0:33:42.460
<v Speaker 10>as well. So who knows what it's worth from that perspective.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.660
<v Speaker 1>All right, that's their reasons. You don't think they're very

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:48.500
<v Speaker 1>good reasons. But why are you fighting this sale specifically?

0:33:48.540 --> 0:33:51.020
<v Speaker 1>What are your reasons for wanting to keep the golf club?

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:54.940
<v Speaker 10>Well, so we're fighting it because in the last 12 months,

0:33:54.940 --> 0:33:58.070
<v Speaker 10>40,000 rounds roughly of golf were played at that golf

0:33:58.110 --> 0:34:00.690
<v Speaker 10>club and only half that played by members. So we

0:34:00.730 --> 0:34:04.340
<v Speaker 10>run corporate days, charity days, There's a lot of local

0:34:04.410 --> 0:34:08.280
<v Speaker 10>social clubs use it. There's a lot of just public

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:10.319
<v Speaker 10>members that come and use it. So 20,000 of those

0:34:10.380 --> 0:34:15.220
<v Speaker 10>rounds are being used by the local Canberra and local region.

0:34:16.140 --> 0:34:18.279
<v Speaker 10>The important bit there is that we all know the

0:34:18.300 --> 0:34:21.620
<v Speaker 10>health and wellbeing benefits that you get from sport and

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:26.219
<v Speaker 10>grassroots community facilities are really important. And this one, interestingly enough,

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 10>doesn't cost the government any money to run. So we're self-sufficient,

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:31.339
<v Speaker 10>so we're not costing.

0:34:32.890 --> 0:34:36.290
<v Speaker 1>And, of course, you have a tradition of having servicemen

0:34:36.310 --> 0:34:39.890
<v Speaker 1>and veterans play there. You do some outreach on that

0:34:40.150 --> 0:34:42.370
<v Speaker 1>front too, don't you? We do.

0:34:42.390 --> 0:34:47.839
<v Speaker 10>So the course was developed, started back in 1953, by

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.839
<v Speaker 10>voluntary veterans. And there's a lot of veterans that have

0:34:50.900 --> 0:34:54.779
<v Speaker 10>worked on the course through the time. It's close to

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:58.320
<v Speaker 10>their heart. Probably about 30% of our members have a

0:34:58.380 --> 0:35:04.230
<v Speaker 10>link to the veterans or defence community. So it's... Defence

0:35:04.489 --> 0:35:07.430
<v Speaker 10>veterans are really important and support to them. So this

0:35:07.510 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 10>is a community facility that provides that mechanism to get together.

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.379
<v Speaker 1>And you've, of course, got a petition up to block

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the sale. It's addressed to Katie Gallagher, the Finance Minister.

0:35:22.540 --> 0:35:23.779
<v Speaker 1>How many people are backing you?

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:29.410
<v Speaker 10>Right now there's over 4,000, but interestingly enough, it's not

0:35:29.510 --> 0:35:32.550
<v Speaker 10>just the 4,000 people that have signed the petition. So

0:35:32.570 --> 0:35:35.540
<v Speaker 10>there's 20,000 rounds of golf being played. So they haven't

0:35:35.580 --> 0:35:39.900
<v Speaker 10>all signed it, obviously. But there's a lot of community support.

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:42.339
<v Speaker 10>I've talked to all the local politicians and they're all

0:35:43.100 --> 0:35:47.060
<v Speaker 10>supportive of the grassroots facilities that a golf club provides

0:35:48.420 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 10>and what you get out of it from SA Health

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.100
<v Speaker 10>and Wellbeing for the wider community as well.

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:56.060
<v Speaker 1>So given all that, you have a golf club that

0:35:56.120 --> 0:36:01.450
<v Speaker 1>services a lot of veterans or people in the Defence

0:36:01.489 --> 0:36:08.330
<v Speaker 1>Force still. It makes money. It holds charity events. It's needed.

0:36:08.410 --> 0:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>There's not that many alternative places around where you are.

0:36:12.620 --> 0:36:14.879
<v Speaker 1>So when you see the government giving $ 6 million to

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.140
<v Speaker 1>a golf club near the Prime Minister's home but flogging

0:36:17.180 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 1>off your own, what's your reaction?

0:36:20.500 --> 0:36:23.919
<v Speaker 10>That's interesting because that's three times our annual turnover. So

0:36:24.410 --> 0:36:26.529
<v Speaker 10>it would be great to get any of that money. But,

0:36:26.570 --> 0:36:30.890
<v Speaker 10>you know, there's no process that we're aware of to

0:36:30.989 --> 0:36:32.110
<v Speaker 10>put a hand out and ask for that.

0:36:32.670 --> 0:36:33.489
<v Speaker 1>We're self-sufficient.

0:36:33.530 --> 0:36:35.210
<v Speaker 10>We don't ask the government for any money as we

0:36:35.390 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 10>run at the moment. But it would be great if

0:36:39.300 --> 0:36:43.299
<v Speaker 10>the community, grassroots support communities, facilities could get some of that.

0:36:44.420 --> 0:36:47.360
<v Speaker 10>And I guess the bottom line is where do we apply?

0:36:47.380 --> 0:36:49.569
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think what you have to do is pick

0:36:49.630 --> 0:36:52.910
<v Speaker 1>up your golf club and move it to a seat

0:36:52.969 --> 0:36:56.450
<v Speaker 1>Labor desperately needs to win. You're not in one of

0:36:56.489 --> 0:36:57.270
<v Speaker 1>those seats, are you?

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:01.540
<v Speaker 10>No, we're not. Unfortunately, we're in the ACT, which is

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 10>a pretty safe labour seat. So it's interesting, though, because

0:37:07.770 --> 0:37:10.509
<v Speaker 10>as much as it would be great to have that money,

0:37:11.250 --> 0:37:15.029
<v Speaker 10>we can't control that. And as I said earlier, we

0:37:15.670 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 10>cost the government nothing to run this grassroots facility. So

0:37:19.100 --> 0:37:22.160
<v Speaker 10>anything would be appreciated if there was an avenue to

0:37:22.500 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 10>get some of that money.

0:37:23.690 --> 0:37:25.710
<v Speaker 1>Brian, you're too modest. I think you actually make the

0:37:25.770 --> 0:37:30.109
<v Speaker 1>government some money because you pay it for the use

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 1>of the land. So, I mean, you actually are a

0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>money maker, aren't you?

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:37.580
<v Speaker 10>We do, and we obviously pay our tax and our

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 10>BAS and all those other things that the government gets

0:37:39.780 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 10>out of the $ 2 million we roll over every year.

0:37:43.219 --> 0:37:45.480
<v Speaker 10>There's a percentage of that. Most of it goes back

0:37:45.540 --> 0:37:48.860
<v Speaker 10>into the local community. So it's a great community facility.

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.779
<v Speaker 10>It would be a shame to lose it. And the

0:37:50.820 --> 0:37:53.620
<v Speaker 10>other point I'd just like to make is, Of those

0:37:53.620 --> 0:37:56.890
<v Speaker 10>40,000 rounds, no one's building new golf courses. So if

0:37:56.930 --> 0:38:00.469
<v Speaker 10>you get rid of one in Canberra, then there's nowhere

0:38:00.489 --> 0:38:01.870
<v Speaker 10>for all those people to get out and get the

0:38:01.950 --> 0:38:04.830
<v Speaker 10>exercise and the health and wellbeing things that you would

0:38:04.850 --> 0:38:07.270
<v Speaker 10>get from that facility.

0:38:08.150 --> 0:38:10.530
<v Speaker 1>Brian Dupree, thank you so much indeed for your time.

0:38:12.150 --> 0:38:12.730
<v Speaker 1>Thanks very much.

0:38:13.070 --> 0:38:13.750
<v Speaker 10>Great to talk to you.

0:38:14.930 --> 0:38:19.330
<v Speaker 1>After the break, the ugly woke right, the panel after this.

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:24.820
<v Speaker 1>They said at the top of the show, I'd noticed

0:38:24.860 --> 0:38:28.589
<v Speaker 1>something new. The woke right. You know, people who claim

0:38:28.610 --> 0:38:32.030
<v Speaker 1>to be conservatives, but act like tribalists of the left,

0:38:32.510 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>abusing and smearing even real conservatives who simply disagree with them. Well,

0:38:38.020 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 1>like me. They seem not to realise that for all

0:38:41.580 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the abuse, listen, I've gone through the fire so often,

0:38:44.060 --> 0:38:47.500
<v Speaker 1>I've turned to iron, right? Doesn't make a difference. But

0:38:47.580 --> 0:38:51.490
<v Speaker 1>look at who they adore. Donald Trump, right? Donald Trump

0:38:52.030 --> 0:38:56.890
<v Speaker 1>His worst mistakes are treated as acts of genius in

0:38:56.930 --> 0:39:00.410
<v Speaker 1>a game of 4D chess that mere humans like me

0:39:00.450 --> 0:39:03.859
<v Speaker 1>couldn't possibly understand. And then again, you look at who

0:39:03.890 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>they hate. It's Andrew Hayes, the AFP commissioner, Chrissie Barrett,

0:39:06.860 --> 0:39:09.040
<v Speaker 1>and anyone who says the war crimes charges against Ben

0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.339
<v Speaker 1>Robert Smith are serious and should be decided in court.

0:39:12.700 --> 0:39:16.450
<v Speaker 1>I should say he says he's innocent. Joining me, News24

0:39:16.660 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 1>host James Traverson and communications consultant Chrissie McSweeney. who has

0:39:20.180 --> 0:39:25.689
<v Speaker 1>worked for coalition prime ministers and premiers. James, in a way,

0:39:25.710 --> 0:39:28.609
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually glad there is a woke right because they

0:39:28.630 --> 0:39:32.760
<v Speaker 1>make me look quite reasonable suddenly to some on the left,

0:39:32.940 --> 0:39:35.910
<v Speaker 1>after all, to their shock, you know. Maybe then they'll

0:39:35.930 --> 0:39:38.910
<v Speaker 1>listen to me. But am I wrong... Is it me

0:39:38.930 --> 0:39:40.570
<v Speaker 1>that's changed and not the right?

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<v Speaker 11>I noticed a change after COVID, Andrew. I mean, we

0:39:44.830 --> 0:39:48.489
<v Speaker 11>know the left, right? The left see racism everywhere. They

0:39:48.570 --> 0:39:52.650
<v Speaker 11>see sexism everywhere. After COVID, there are many on the

0:39:52.710 --> 0:39:56.440
<v Speaker 11>right who now see conspiracy everywhere. And they are just

0:39:56.520 --> 0:39:59.900
<v Speaker 11>as sure that there's grand conspiracies as the left are

0:39:59.960 --> 0:40:04.470
<v Speaker 11>sure that racism and sexism is responsible for every societal ill.

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<v Speaker 11>During COVID, we learned that governments often don't tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Surprise.

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<v Speaker 11>But just because officialdom doesn't always tell the truth doesn't

0:40:12.660 --> 0:40:16.259
<v Speaker 11>therefore mean every conspiracy is true. And whether you're from

0:40:16.280 --> 0:40:19.160
<v Speaker 11>the left or the right, there's always the temptation toward

0:40:19.380 --> 0:40:23.580
<v Speaker 11>arrogance where I know something that nobody else knows. And

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.620
<v Speaker 11>I think for some on the right, that's become their

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 11>posture rather than a commitment to truth, which, you know,

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.859
<v Speaker 11>we're committed to truth regardless of whether it's embarrassing for

0:40:33.940 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 11>our tribe, regardless of whether it's inconvenient, regardless of whether

0:40:37.300 --> 0:40:41.180
<v Speaker 11>it destroys a narrative we've personally created. being committed to,

0:40:41.219 --> 0:40:45.149
<v Speaker 11>and I think true conservatism recognises truth exists and that's

0:40:45.210 --> 0:40:49.730
<v Speaker 11>what is important, not tribalism, not narratives. And I don't

0:40:49.770 --> 0:40:52.850
<v Speaker 11>think you have changed. I think since COVID, some on

0:40:52.890 --> 0:40:55.990
<v Speaker 11>the right have started to fall for that same arrogance

0:40:56.030 --> 0:40:58.109
<v Speaker 11>that we've been criticising on the left for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, absolutely. Christy, what do you make of this? I mean,

0:41:03.390 --> 0:41:04.890
<v Speaker 1>it might be wrong. Feel free to disagree.

0:41:04.910 --> 0:41:10.759
<v Speaker 9>No, I'm not disagreeing. I think James is right and

0:41:11.300 --> 0:41:14.819
<v Speaker 9>there is an element of the community that, particularly here

0:41:14.840 --> 0:41:19.680
<v Speaker 9>in Melbourne, has woken up quite late to the fact that, well,

0:41:19.700 --> 0:41:24.060
<v Speaker 9>the government did lie to us about several COVID responses,

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 9>about several legislation, several pieces of legislation that turned out

0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 9>to not be required. They did lie when they said

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:37.860
<v Speaker 9>the police instructed them to put in curfews and radiuses

0:41:37.880 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 9>of how far that you could travel. There were a

0:41:40.700 --> 0:41:43.620
<v Speaker 9>lot of things that were revealed and that has sparked

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:50.080
<v Speaker 9>people's awareness, I think, of government control. There's a lot

0:41:50.100 --> 0:41:55.779
<v Speaker 9>of questioning by people around..... questioning around... artificial intelligence and

0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:01.290
<v Speaker 9>around privacy and data and big government and how much

0:42:01.330 --> 0:42:04.410
<v Speaker 9>of my personal information the government is taking from me

0:42:04.570 --> 0:42:05.230
<v Speaker 9>and using.

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<v Speaker 7>And a lot of people have taken that to the extreme.

0:42:08.000 --> 0:42:10.180
<v Speaker 9>But the other thing is there's a certain element of

0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:13.940
<v Speaker 9>new media, driven by the algorithm on the left and

0:42:14.219 --> 0:42:18.210
<v Speaker 9>the right, that leans into a lot of these issues

0:42:18.310 --> 0:42:22.930
<v Speaker 9>in a really short-form way because that's how you gain

0:42:23.430 --> 0:42:26.650
<v Speaker 9>a following. Some of that new media is fantastic and

0:42:26.730 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 9>brings awareness and viewers and attention to the conservative cause.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.620
<v Speaker 9>Other parts of it are perhaps a little bit too far,

0:42:33.820 --> 0:42:35.060
<v Speaker 9>just like they are too.

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:35.660
<v Speaker 7>Far on the left.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're both right in mentioning the lack of

0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:44.500
<v Speaker 1>trust in narratives. I mean, I thought the media... How

0:42:44.540 --> 0:42:47.819
<v Speaker 1>many media outlets went with the Donald Trump colluded with

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:51.490
<v Speaker 1>Russia to steal the first election he won? That destroyed

0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.870
<v Speaker 1>so much trust. After that, you know, it takes a

0:42:54.890 --> 0:42:57.410
<v Speaker 1>lot to believe anything some of the media outlets say.

0:42:57.770 --> 0:43:00.110
<v Speaker 1>And now we've got the Prime Minister telling one untruth

0:43:00.190 --> 0:43:05.710
<v Speaker 1>after another. I think that's so desperately corrosive. James, I'm

0:43:05.750 --> 0:43:06.330
<v Speaker 1>not sure.

0:43:08.540 --> 0:43:14.509
<v Speaker 1>For the media to start whacking conspiracy theorists, they've got

0:43:14.550 --> 0:43:18.420
<v Speaker 1>to realise their own contribution to doing that.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, absolutely. I mean, as you said, trust in all institutions.

0:43:23.950 --> 0:43:26.390
<v Speaker 11>It's not just the government. It's the media.

0:43:26.570 --> 0:43:27.290
<v Speaker 7>It's the church.

0:43:27.330 --> 0:43:30.370
<v Speaker 11>There's so many institutions now that people don't trust. But

0:43:30.410 --> 0:43:33.220
<v Speaker 11>everyone's still grasping for it. There must be some narrative

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:36.500
<v Speaker 11>that explains everything. And so, as I said, I think

0:43:36.540 --> 0:43:39.660
<v Speaker 11>the right just tend towards... conspiracy theories. I've had so

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 11>many good friends say, oh, but if you really knew

0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:44.239
<v Speaker 11>what was going on, you know, as you said, like

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.980
<v Speaker 11>with Trump, you know, every mistake he makes is 4D chess.

0:43:47.020 --> 0:43:49.620
<v Speaker 11>And I'm a Trump fan. But I also believe Trump,

0:43:49.900 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 11>whilst being, I think, quite brilliant, is a deeply flawed individual.

0:43:53.660 --> 0:43:55.569
<v Speaker 11>I think you can hold those two positions at the

0:43:55.620 --> 0:43:58.569
<v Speaker 11>same time. And that keeps you sane. But when you

0:43:58.610 --> 0:44:00.969
<v Speaker 11>go to one extreme or the other, you're going to

0:44:00.989 --> 0:44:01.969
<v Speaker 11>end up looking like a fool.

0:44:03.190 --> 0:44:05.590
<v Speaker 1>Now, you hinted at it before. I think conspiracy theories

0:44:05.750 --> 0:44:08.899
<v Speaker 1>are an easy way for the ill-informed and lazy to

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:11.790
<v Speaker 1>feel super smart. I mean, how often have I seen

0:44:11.830 --> 0:44:15.109
<v Speaker 1>someone with a super silly smile saying, you think that's

0:44:15.150 --> 0:44:15.710
<v Speaker 1>the story?

0:44:15.730 --> 0:44:16.250
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:16.290 --> 0:44:18.890
<v Speaker 1>There's a conspiracy. They don't have to research it. They

0:44:18.930 --> 0:44:21.370
<v Speaker 1>just think that makes them feel that they know something

0:44:21.390 --> 0:44:25.210
<v Speaker 1>that everyone else doesn't. And, you know, crazy the conspiracy theory,

0:44:25.469 --> 0:44:28.270
<v Speaker 1>the more farsighted they are. Christy, I'm interested in your

0:44:28.330 --> 0:44:32.610
<v Speaker 1>professional opinion here because you've been in the communications business

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.299
<v Speaker 1>for a long time about, you know, advising politicians. And

0:44:36.380 --> 0:44:41.969
<v Speaker 1>you are seeing a Prime Minister who is just telling

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.049
<v Speaker 1>one untruth after another, just this golf club scandal. The

0:44:45.130 --> 0:44:48.370
<v Speaker 1>stakes are extremely low. You just admit that you made

0:44:48.410 --> 0:44:48.890
<v Speaker 1>a mistake.

0:44:49.270 --> 0:44:49.950
<v Speaker 4>Easy, done.

0:44:50.469 --> 0:44:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday's, you know, fish and chips. I mean, looking at

0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.779
<v Speaker 1>what he's doing, how do you explain it? Or is

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 1>there actually a cunning political strategy?

0:45:02.580 --> 0:45:03.120
<v Speaker 7>Look, there's an.

0:45:03.200 --> 0:45:06.900
<v Speaker 9>Element of the population and the voter base who will say, sure,

0:45:07.180 --> 0:45:11.570
<v Speaker 9>circumstances change, and when governments make election promises about negative

0:45:11.590 --> 0:45:15.969
<v Speaker 9>gearing the CGT or $ 275 off your power bill, a

0:45:16.210 --> 0:45:19.750
<v Speaker 9>certain element of the electorate and the voter base will say, well,

0:45:19.870 --> 0:45:22.609
<v Speaker 9>we believe that the government had to make those changes, so,

0:45:23.110 --> 0:45:25.840
<v Speaker 9>you know, that's OK. We're not really holding them to

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.980
<v Speaker 9>that promise. But it's the other personal instances.

0:45:31.430 --> 0:45:32.660
<v Speaker 7>that were caught on tape.

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.400
<v Speaker 9>I didn't fall off the stage and for me the

0:45:35.460 --> 0:45:37.800
<v Speaker 9>big one was the one about the Japanese Prime Minister

0:45:37.820 --> 0:45:38.540
<v Speaker 9>and the melons.

0:45:39.060 --> 0:45:42.040
<v Speaker 7>That is something that we all plainly.

0:45:41.440 --> 0:45:45.090
<v Speaker 9>Saw and the Prime Minister and the government let it

0:45:45.190 --> 0:45:48.830
<v Speaker 9>drag on, drag on, drag on, even brought the Japanese

0:45:48.890 --> 0:45:53.029
<v Speaker 9>government and diplomacy into it by releasing cables so they

0:45:53.070 --> 0:45:55.649
<v Speaker 9>could prove their point. as if the Japanese are going

0:45:55.710 --> 0:45:58.089
<v Speaker 9>to say that they were embarrassed and they regarded it as.

0:45:58.050 --> 0:46:00.940
<v Speaker 7>A complete faux pas. Of course they weren't.

0:46:01.300 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 9>So that was the most extreme example for me. And

0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.839
<v Speaker 9>these are two things where the truth is out there

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 9>because they're on tape and everybody saw them. I'm not

0:46:10.820 --> 0:46:13.089
<v Speaker 9>sure if this is the Prime Minister's advice. I'd like

0:46:13.130 --> 0:46:14.710
<v Speaker 9>to think that he's got some pretty good people in

0:46:14.750 --> 0:46:17.270
<v Speaker 9>his office saying to him, just own up to it.

0:46:17.730 --> 0:46:18.609
<v Speaker 7>Just apologise.

0:46:18.730 --> 0:46:20.890
<v Speaker 9>Just don't let it drag on. And I'm sure they

0:46:20.930 --> 0:46:23.270
<v Speaker 9>do because some of them are pretty good operators. So

0:46:23.290 --> 0:46:26.830
<v Speaker 9>that leads me to believe it's him himself running this

0:46:26.910 --> 0:46:31.320
<v Speaker 9>strategy of trying to not apologise for these very simple

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 9>personal things at all costs. The big things, a lot

0:46:34.820 --> 0:46:37.140
<v Speaker 9>of people will forgive you for it. I don't agree

0:46:37.180 --> 0:46:40.700
<v Speaker 9>with it, but people do. But it's the small things

0:46:40.760 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 9>in politics that will do you in.

0:46:44.210 --> 0:46:47.910
<v Speaker 1>I can personally understand, in a way, him lying about,

0:46:48.310 --> 0:46:51.990
<v Speaker 1>you know, I wasn't making a melons joke about the

0:46:52.230 --> 0:46:54.609
<v Speaker 1>Japanese Prime Minister. You might think I've got to try

0:46:54.650 --> 0:46:57.910
<v Speaker 1>and keep sweet with the Japanese. All right. I think

0:46:58.050 --> 0:47:01.899
<v Speaker 1>it backfired, but I can understand it. But not saying, yeah,

0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>I fell off the stage. What a joke, blah, blah.

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Not saying, you know, look, I got it wrong about

0:47:07.550 --> 0:47:10.330
<v Speaker 1>the reasons I gave the grant, I just got confused.

0:47:10.870 --> 0:47:15.259
<v Speaker 1>That's no risk, James, or am I wrong? So that

0:47:15.600 --> 0:47:18.910
<v Speaker 1>gets me back to the question, which I've been thinking

0:47:18.969 --> 0:47:21.750
<v Speaker 1>about for days, why does the Prime Minister do it?

0:47:22.380 --> 0:47:25.219
<v Speaker 11>It's funny, remember former Queensland Premier Peter Beattie? He made

0:47:25.260 --> 0:47:28.799
<v Speaker 11>an art form of the apology. Anthony Albanese's made an

0:47:28.860 --> 0:47:32.050
<v Speaker 11>art form of never apologising for anything.

0:47:32.450 --> 0:47:34.010
<v Speaker 4>And you mentioned falling off the stage.

0:47:34.070 --> 0:47:36.930
<v Speaker 11>That, to me, was the moment where I decided, I

0:47:36.969 --> 0:47:40.070
<v Speaker 11>just think Anthony Albanese's got a major character flaw because.

0:47:40.489 --> 0:47:42.900
<v Speaker 4>We all saw him fall off the stage.

0:47:43.420 --> 0:47:44.780
<v Speaker 11>He insisted he had not.

0:47:45.300 --> 0:47:45.940
<v Speaker 4>And for what?

0:47:46.120 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 11>I mean, who cares that he stumbled? He could have

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.460
<v Speaker 11>been funny about it. He could have been lighthearted about it.

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:54.450
<v Speaker 11>And we probably would have liked him a little bit

0:47:54.489 --> 0:47:56.709
<v Speaker 11>more because he could have... you know, used the moment

0:47:56.770 --> 0:47:58.730
<v Speaker 11>to be a little bit human. We all relate to

0:47:58.810 --> 0:48:02.430
<v Speaker 11>tripping or stumbling over something. So there was no need

0:48:02.489 --> 0:48:05.069
<v Speaker 11>for him to lie about something we'd plainly seen with

0:48:05.150 --> 0:48:05.770
<v Speaker 11>our own eyes.

0:48:05.790 --> 0:48:06.350
<v Speaker 4>And yet.

0:48:06.370 --> 0:48:08.410
<v Speaker 1>That's my point... his reflex.

0:48:08.050 --> 0:48:11.029
<v Speaker 11>Reaction was to lie. So I think it must be

0:48:11.090 --> 0:48:13.940
<v Speaker 11>something within his own psyche and make-up.

0:48:15.540 --> 0:48:18.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, weird. Christy, we've only got 20 seconds left, but

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.560
<v Speaker 1>I know you're not going to dis on former clients,

0:48:21.580 --> 0:48:25.379
<v Speaker 1>but have you seen anything like this before? Ha-ha-ha-ha!

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:29.799
<v Speaker 9>Politicians get so caught up in their bubble and they

0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:33.320
<v Speaker 9>live and breathe being attacked by their colleagues, by the media,

0:48:33.480 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 9>by their constituents, and they live in this environment of

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:40.760
<v Speaker 9>walking on eggshells that if they do anything wrong.

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<v Speaker 7>They have to find a way to get out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>James McPherson, Chris McSweeney, thank you very much to you both.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Up next is Shari Markson, but from me, goodnight.