WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 16 April 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:05.320 Lateens. Welcome to the Late Base. 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:08.680 Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.039 I'm James Macpherson with Cayla Bond and Dnika Di Giorgio. 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:16.240 Coming up tonight, American supermodel Tyra Banks has relocated her 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:19.040 whole family to Australia, but not because of Donald Trump. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:21.760 Wait till you hear the real reason why. We'll get 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.799 to that later. Plus when we look at what's making 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.480 news tomorrow, a big story on the front page of 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.960 Tomorrow's Australian as Peter Dutton makes a big announcement regarding 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:35.559 changes to taxation, and the ABC under fire for featuring 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:40.400 a controversial Queensland senator on their program Australian Story during 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.000 the election campaign. All of that coming up, But first 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.720 breaking news tonight, the UK's highest court has ruled that 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:53.520 transgendered women are not in fact women. Five Supreme Court 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:58.720 judges unanimously agreed that the terms woman and sex refer 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:04.839 to biological realities, not to what they called acquired gender. Furthermore, 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:09.160 they ruled that the concept of sex is binary. Here's 0:01:09.560 --> 0:01:13.520 one of the Supreme Court judges, Lord Hodge, explaining the decision. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.720 The unanimous decision of this Court is that the terms 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:22.680 women and sex in the Equality Act two thousand and 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:27.319 ten refer to a biological woman and biological sex. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.600 Now there were massive celebrations outside the court will show 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.720 you some vision of that. Women's rights activists saying that 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:41.360 this decision means gender self identifying is effectively dead in 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:45.000 the UK. The decision follows a year long legal battle 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.640 between a women's rights group for Women's Scotland and the 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.280 Scottish government over the definition of a woman. The Scottish 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.400 government wanted to argue that their gender recognition certificates should 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.440 determine what is and is not a woman, while the 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:04.639 women's group successfully argued that everybody has always understood women 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.640 to be a biological term, not a term of self 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:10.440 identification calor. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.239 This is a massive decision and really. 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.840 Something that will have far reaching effects into every area 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.160 of policy within the UK as. 0:02:19.040 --> 0:02:19.639 Well as should. 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.240 I mean, look, if you had told my great grandparents 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:24.600 that in twenty twenty five there would be a court 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.880 case in the United Kingdom deciding whether or not you 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.000 had to be born a woman in order to be 0:02:30.080 --> 0:02:32.799 born a woman, they probably would have chucked a back 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:34.600 of a cold water over you and told you you 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.519 were mad. But that's where we've landed in twenty twenty five, 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.720 and thank god the court has made the correct decision here. 0:02:40.960 --> 0:02:42.720 I mean, this is you know what we're saying. This 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.080 is fantastic, it's brilliant. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:47.120 I mean, this is the least extraordinary thing I've ever seen. 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.320 It ought to be the least extraordinary thing I've ever 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.360 seen in my life that a court can affirm that, yes, 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.239 you actually need to be a biological woman in order 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.120 to be a woman. But that's where we've landed where 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.400 we need courts to rule these kinds of things. Now 0:03:01.400 --> 0:03:03.760 that this decision has been made in the UK, i'd 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:06.400 like to think that it would be replicated across the 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:07.720 Western world. 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:08.400 If it came to it. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:10.800 But of course we've had cases already here, like a 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:14.600 Giggle versus Tickle, where it seems that Australian courts are 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:17.720 taking a different point of view on these matters. And 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.120 as the court pointed out, this doesn't mean that you 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.480 can now discriminate against transgender people. They are still, under 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.600 law not able to be discriminated against just like any 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:32.399 other person. What this simply says is that in order 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.320 to be legally classified a woman, you have to be 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.280 born a woman, and that allows the protection of things 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:43.400 like women's sport and women's bathrooms and other exclusively female places. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.080 And so it should be that a court even has 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:48.720 to tell us that is insane. 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:51.640 I just think, how on earth is this a debate 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.600 in twenty twenty five when a court has to decide 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:58.640 or make that decision that if you are indeed a 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.080 biological man and you decide one day that you want 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.520 to wear a dress, you are therefore. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:05.120 Not a woman. 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.440 Yet somehow it's taken a court. 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:11.280 In the UK to come to this decision. Look for years. 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.800 The problem is is that there's this been, this woke 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.640 ideology which has been peddled NonStop by the left, desperate 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.360 really to actually erase women. 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.040 And we've seen it here in Australia, as you. 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:25.320 Mentioned, but particularly overseas, under the guise of tolerance and 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:28.200 under the guise of oh well, we've got hurt feelings, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.480 when really it is only to protect a very small 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.920 minority of people because we know though that gender is fixed, 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.400 it is a biological reality male and female, boy and girl. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:40.800 But if we look here in Australia, we've got a 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.440 big problem here. And I actually think the Coalition has 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.080 been quite spineless on this matter from the very beginning, 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.320 because they should have come out and said no male 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.120 and female two genders, simple as that they should say 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.200 it is time to we're going to do something about 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.520 kicking out men and women's sports. And I know that 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:57.520 Peter Dutton has said that that is the case that 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.600 he does agree with that will do something about it, 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.160 actually put it into law. And the more we allow 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:06.240 this warped gender ideology to fester, well, the more we 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.880 are at risk of a very confused next generation. And 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.640 political correctness simply should not be not defeat science and 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:15.760 common practice. So I applaud this judge in the UK 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.719 for making this decision, but the fact that it's had 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.680 to come to this house sad. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:23.479 You mentioned the erasure of women, Danika. We've had another 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.600 great decision come down today in New Zealand as well. 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.040 Again this is I mean, this is just common sense stuff. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:32.120 It's crazy that we have to be sitting here lauding it, 0:05:32.600 --> 0:05:35.839 but that's where we've landed these days. In New Zealand, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.560 the Health Department had stopped referring to pregnant women and 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.360 started talking about pregnant people and people who have a cervix, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.600 and people who can give childbirth, all this sort of business. Well, 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.760 the government has said none of that anymore. It is 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:51.120 pregnant women. 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:51.880 Take a look. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.680 When it comes to a pregnant belly. It's usually easy 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.120 to tell who's expecting, but what their pronouns are may 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:03.760 not always be as clear. So how thin Zed adopted 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.719 a gender neutral term pregnant people, a term now being 0:06:07.760 --> 0:06:10.200 shelved following a directive from the minister. 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:13.560 I'm minister responsible for women's health, and therefore I think 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.920 it's perfectly acceptable for me to be able to talk 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:16.919 about women's health. 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.800 Last month, she sent a letter to how Inz outlining 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:21.440 the change. 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.839 This isn't about a excluding anyone. This is about being 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.840 clear about a messaging and I didn't you know. The 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.000 letter is very clear. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.080 What a breath of fresh air. Though One News did 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.680 manage to find one. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.000 Person who disagreed with this. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.520 What's confusing about the term pregnant people? Well, the fact 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.159 is it's women. 0:06:41.600 --> 0:06:44.400 It's women that get pregnant. I think that she's ignorant 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:46.960 because not only women can get pregnant. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.520 People who identify as being men can also be pregnant. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.919 Are these bloody ignorant women thinking only women can get pregnant? 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:56.800 How dare they? 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.880 But again, just a common sense decision that we wish 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.440 someone would say something like that here in Australia. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.120 The bias of the media is quite interesting because that 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.480 media report we showed you that report just from a 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.960 little bit into it, but it actually begins by the 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:17.040 journalists saying the Health Minister has defended the decision to 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:20.800 instruct New Zealand Health to call pregnant women pregnant women 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:21.880 rather than pregnant people. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.080 So the framing is interesting. 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.880 That she's being framed as the weird one or the 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.720 odd one for simply pointing out biological realities shows you 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.840 how far the culture has moved when to simply say 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.440 it's women who get pregnant is something you need to defend. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.520 But on top of that, the activist goes on to 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:46.720 complain that referring to pregnant women is well, it's not inclusive. 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.760 But Caleb, you'ving worked with words your entire life. The 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.280 very point of words, if you want to use them 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.720 to define things, is that they can't be inclusive. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:56.600 They have to be exclusive. 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:59.840 A dog can't mean maybe a cat. It has to 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.560 in a dog. So for words to have any value 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:07.480 or meaning at all, they are necessarily exclusive rather than inclusionary. 0:08:07.600 --> 0:08:10.360 Yeah, I mean, it's just a matter of specificity, isn't it. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.120 And of course it is the erasure of women, which 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:15.680 is what you were talking about earlier in Jeneka, because 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.440 you don't see this happening with men. I mean, there 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.720 is no facet of life or the world where they 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.400 want to remove the reference to mean, unless, of course 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.480 it's feminists who say that you can't have men in 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.080 other words, because that somehow seeks time. But it is 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.880 the erasure of women for the benefit of biological men. 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:32.559 Absolutely. 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.959 And the issue with this, and it was actually raised 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.080 by this health minister, is that if you go to 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.400 hospital or you go to your GP and you are 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:44.200 indeed a biological female, you have specific medical conditions that 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.319 are actually related to women, like endometriosis for example, which. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:49.840 Was used by this health minister. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.800 Yeah, you've got people, You've even got politicians around the 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.160 world that like David Lammy, for goodness sake, the UK 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:58.400 Foreign Secretary, who believe that men can have a cervix. 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.680 Well, it's just simply not the case. 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.839 For goodness sake, so as a doctor, you actually need 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.000 to know who you're dealing with here, and you're dealing 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.760 with women's specific issues. But again, why has it taken 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.600 this long for someone to go enough is enough? 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:14.880 Put an end to the madness. It's gone beyond a joke. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.440 Now was it the UK as well? We did this story? 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.400 I forget when it was that they created an edict 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.760 in the NHS where they had to ask every patient 0:09:22.840 --> 0:09:25.079 who came in for an X ray whether they were pregnant, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.120 male or female, because you know, someone who looks like 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.320 a bloke could actually be pregnant. I mean, it's just 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:33.920 straightforward common sense stuff you would think. 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:36.120 And from memory that related even to teenage boys. 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.199 It's correct to be asked, is there a possibility she 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.080 might correct? 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.200 For thirty year old boys? 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:44.240 A parent? How ropable you would be if someone it 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:45.439 is just ridiculous. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.720 Now, of course, if you were watching Paul Murray Live before, 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.480 you would have had all the lowdown on the second 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.960 Leader's debate. Tonight, of course, Anthony Albanezi and Peter Dutton 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.719 faced off on the ABC. This time we'll get into 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.400 a little more detail in a moment, but if you 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.720 missed it, tears a little bit of Dutton's performance. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.640 We approached the third of May, many Australians will be 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.520 asking themselves, are you better off today than you were 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.160 three years ago? People have seen food prices go up 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.120 by thirty percent, their mortgages have gone up on twelve 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:17.920 occasions over the last two years. The government's brought in 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.959 a million people, all of whom want homes, and all 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:23.839 of whom are competing against young Australians for that rental 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.960 property or to purchase a home. That's a million people, 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.600 which is seventy percent higher than any two year period 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:33.440 in our country's history. Anthony, your government has modeled negative 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:37.479 gearing changes NCGT changes. The Treasurer has done that. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:38.280 That's not right. 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.839 Well, now, look, I don't think there were any knockout 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.040 blows from Peter Dutton here. I don't think he walked 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.960 in there and had Anthony Albanisi on the floor completely defeated. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.120 I think he did a decent job, But there was 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.680 nothing that made me look at that debate and go, well, 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.240 this is really going to turn the dial. Of course, 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.280 Anthony Alberizi was talking up his economic. 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.679 We are the only government in the last twenty years 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.920 that have produced consecutive budget surpluses and we've harved the 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:12.640 deficit this year as a direct result of the responsible 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:17.199 economic management that we have. Then debt is one hundred 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:19.840 and seventy seven billion dollars less. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.280 Now, interestingly, they were both asked what sort of great 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.040 economic legacy they would leave. They were given the example 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:33.000 of John Howard and the GST floating the dollar, as 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.800 Paul Keating did, what is the great economic vision that 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:41.079 your government has or would have? Peter Dutton referred to 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.920 nuclear which I think is a fair thing to nominate. 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.439 That is a serious policy. But the one Albaneas he 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.200 came up with, of all the things he could possibly say, 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:53.760 this is the great reform my government will achieve, is 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:58.360 affordable childcare. Something tells me that in twenty years time, 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.280 people won't be looking back at this government and going, 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:04.720 you know, that great reform that Anthony Albanesi pushed through, 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:09.320 affordable childcare. If that's as good as his vision gets, 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.920 it tells us a lot about where this government is at. 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.480 There were a couple of other slip ups won by 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.800 Anthony Albanzi when he was asked point blank, when the 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.280 hell are power bills going to come. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.920 Down, sorry, and just stick with your plan, mister Albanezi, 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.000 When will the bills come down under our plan? 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.240 We know that renewables are the cheapest form of power 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.160 and that is why we are doing that, rolling it out, 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:39.920 including through gas. Peter Raet's gas gas is now thirteen dollars. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.800 It was thirty dollars and when we came cheaper, when 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.520 we came off, thirteen is cheaper than thirty. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:46.559 When do we. 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.959 Indeed, thirteen is cheaper than thirty. But two hundred and 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:53.640 seventy five is also a lot cheaper than what I'm 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:55.600 paying on my power bill at the moment, isn't it? 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.240 Mister ab Albanzi. He couldn't answer the question once again, 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:01.800 and the one that slipped up Peter Dudden. I think 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.720 it was a big mistake he made when he was 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:09.160 asked whether he trusts Donald Trump. And we know that 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.520 there has been a want to link Donald Trump to 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.800 Peter Dutton, and obviously it's coming through in the polling 0:13:16.880 --> 0:13:19.920 now that that's actually sticking to Dutton a bit. So 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.280 Dutton took the tech that will I've not met the bloke, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.960 so I can't say that I trust him. And then 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:30.680 Albo was asked, do you trust Peter Duddon, sorry, trust Donald? 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:32.439 Then you go I'm making the link. Now do you 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:33.360 trust Donald Trump? 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.719 And Albanez he simply said, yes, of course I do. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.880 For someone who wants to be the Prime Minister to 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.600 not say that they trust the leader of the free world, 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.640 the leader of one of our closest allies, it was 0:13:46.679 --> 0:13:48.280 a very strange I. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.440 Thought that was a very very messy moment by Peter Dutton, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.080 and I just wonder if that has been Is that 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:56.560 now the campaign strategy? I wonder if that's what his 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.280 team has told him to say whenever you're asked about 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.480 Donald Trump, to say, I don't know the bloke, just 0:14:01.559 --> 0:14:04.960 keep him at an arms distance, simply because of the comparisons. 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.800 But it's actually made the situation worse because if you 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.760 are asked, do you trust Donald Trump, our number one ally, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.360 the leader of the free world, the answer is. 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:16.319 Yes, you do. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.320 You should have absolute confidence in the leader of the 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.960 free world. Who cares if you know him? Who cares 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.280 if you don't know him. I don't care if you 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:25.760 haven't shook his hand or not yet. But I thought 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.240 that was the biggest slip up of the night. What 0:14:27.320 --> 0:14:29.520 I will say though, is that I think that Peter 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.440 Dutton for the first time was on message, short and sharp, 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:35.440 and he finally stuck to. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.680 The cost of living. There was no dilly dallying left 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:38.120 or right. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.800 It was straight down the line, because that's the message 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:42.160 that Australians want to hear. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:42.880 They want to know. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.080 How he's going to help with their power bills, what 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.760 he's going to do. It's very easy to get Anthony 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:50.920 albneasy on energy. I mean, for goodness, going in circles, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:52.200 renewable is the best option. 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:53.560 Renewables are always cheaper. 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:57.440 Well, we know that renewables are not the cheapest option 0:14:57.520 --> 0:15:00.440 because our power bills have gone in the exact opposite 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:04.120 direction under this labor fantasy. But there was also another 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.840 slip up that I thought was interesting by Anthony Alberizi tonight. 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.640 It just goes to show he has no idea where 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.760 the figures are coming from from key policies. He claimed 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.160 that Labor I did not model the overhaul of negative 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:19.400 gearing and capital's gains tax, despite. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.000 The fact that the Treasurer actually asked. 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:23.680 Treasury to do that last year and now both slipped 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:24.000 up on it. 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.280 He's like, well, you know, No, we've got the modeling. 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:27.000 We've got the modeling. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.240 He has no idea where the modeling has come from, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.480 just like you didn't know where that Reputech's modeling came 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.120 from a couple of years ago to model that two 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.360 hundred and seventy five dollars. But I thought, for the 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.080 first time tonight Dunn was on message very well on cost. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:39.480 Of living well. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:41.400 He had one line that will be repeated at in 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.600 Nausim over the next couple of weeks, and that is a. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.080 Simple question, are you better off after the last three 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:48.400 years of Anthony Elbanizi. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.840 It was a ligne used by David Christo Folly very 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.280 successfully in the Queensland election. And that's the one he's 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:56.520 got a hammer home because he doesn't need to say 0:15:56.560 --> 0:16:00.880 any more than that everybody instinctively knows. But on those 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.760 other issues he was off. In terms of do you 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.360 trust Donald Trump? Will I don't know him? It was 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.160 almost an attempt to just push away that whole Trump question, 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.680 and clearly they should know that question is one of 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.920 the main questions that's being asked of him. That's the 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:19.400 big charge of the government against the opposition. You're too 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:21.760 closely aligned with Trump. He should have had a better 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:24.400 answer than that. And whether you know Trump or not, 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.360 I mean you were part of the Scott Morrison government. 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.720 Morrison has a very close relationship with Trump, Joe Hockey 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:32.520 has a very close relationship with Trump, and Dutton. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:33.360 That's a poor answer. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.960 But on top of that, when asked about climate change, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.800 Dutton said well, I'm not a scientist. Yeah, well I'm 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:40.840 glad they didn't ask him what a woman was or 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.720 if probably would have said I'm not a biologist. And 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.040 so to say well, I'm not a scientist and thinking 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.480 that is going to put to bed the climate issue, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.480 that climate issue will be asked again and again. You've 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.640 got to have a better answer than that. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.320 And this is what has annoyed me about the Coalition's 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:01.920 campaign and the campaign as a whole, and I talked 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.520 about this the other night, is the lack of vision 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.879 and the lack of certainty. Right, Peter Dutt and the 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.439 Coalition don't seem to want to nail their colors to 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.480 the mass because you know, part of the trouble is 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:18.080 that elections are played in marginal seats in this country. Right, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.800 It's not about what the broader public wants. It's what, 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.320 you know, a small number of people in a small 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.239 number of electrics want, and so they don't want to 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.159 spook the crowds, and so they won't actually commit and say, yes, 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:34.080 this is what I believe. So Peter Dutton is afraid 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.680 to say. He could have just simply said, of course 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.440 I believe in climate change, but I think the effects 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.840 of man made climate change are overstated, and my number 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.040 one goal is to make sure that we can turn 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.040 the lights on for a decent price. Right, that's the 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:50.640 answer to that question. But you don't want to put 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:53.000 people off side on the left of the Liberal Party. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.800 You don't want to put people off side in the 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.520 teal seats that they're trying to ring back, so they 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:59.920 can't actually commit to a serious line. 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:01.960 She doesn't also want to upset the moderates within the 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.159 Liberal Party, and that is the other big issue. But 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.560 what we didn't say tonight, though, was Anthony Auberneasy waving 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:08.680 around his Medicare card. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:09.960 What a shame. I was looking forward to that. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:12.800 Just before you go on, there was a great moment 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.080 where Dunton could have absolutely slammed Albaneza on the Trump thing, 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.879 where Albanezi says, of course, I trust Donald Trump. Dunton 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.880 should have immediately jumped in and said, just a couple 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:22.640 of years ago you. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.800 Said Trump scared them expletive out of it. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.160 That's really what happened. 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.000 There were some moments where I just thought should have 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.680 really nailed Yes, missed the moment, a couple of miss moments. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:35.560 Well, look Caleb mentioned the teals there and gee, we've 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.159 got to talk about till MP Monique Ryan. Sorry excuse me, 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.280 doctor Monique Ryan. Part of me that for that extreme rudeness, 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:46.919 my absolute mistake. But look she's offended again by something. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.920 Would you believe she must be clearly under pressure. Now, 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:51.919 for those of you at home who don't know about 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.680 this new Barbie box trend that's happening all over social media, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.760 whereby an AI image is generated of oneself next to 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.720 some accessories that could be your hobbies or things that 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:07.120 you like. Well, the Victorian Liberal Party has put out 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:09.720 a meme of Monique Ryan. 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.680 And well she wasn't too impressed. Here it is now. Look, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:12.840 I actually think it's quite funny. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.680 Here we have Monique Ryan as a Barbie style toy 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.240 under the label Monic Ryan votes with the green seventy 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.800 seven percent of the time. Batteries not included may require 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.280 Climate two hundred funding to operate. And as you can 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:29.560 see those very good accessories there, the doctor with a mask, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.320 her famous line mask put your mask back on the 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.960