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Speaker 4: If anyone ever talked about the fact I only did

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Speaker 4: four months prison that that's true, but that was long

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Speaker 4: enough for me to lose my restaurant. I lost my dogs,

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Speaker 4: I lost my fiance, I lost my home. You know,

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Speaker 4: I lost my reputation a lot. I lost everything that

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Speaker 4: I that I thought that I needed, you know. And

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Speaker 4: it also made me realize that I still had a

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Speaker 4: lot of things that I was taking for granted, like

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Speaker 4: my health, my family, friends are stuck by me. I

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Speaker 4: still had, you know, a brain in my head, and

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Speaker 4: I still had a sense of human Very mate, very rare.

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Speaker 5: Though, that you get friends that stand by because there's

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Speaker 5: all these people there. When you climb in the mountain,

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Speaker 5: you're standing on top of the mountain and you're sprinkling

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Speaker 5: all this wonderful magic over everybody, and they're all coming

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Speaker 5: to you at the top and they're all standing around you,

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Speaker 5: and you know, when that magic stops, mate, generally you're

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Speaker 5: on the bottom of the fucking hill and everyone's looking

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Speaker 5: down and no one's putting their arm but to pull

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, some of my best mates completely turn their

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Speaker 4: back on me, you know. But the thing is that

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Speaker 4: surprised me was some people that you think will be

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Speaker 4: there aren't, But then some people that you don't think

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Speaker 6: So yeah, that surprised me.

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Speaker 4: That's but that's that's the other side of the coin

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Speaker 4: is Yeah, you just you see true people's true colors,

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Speaker 4: both on the good side and the bad.

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Speaker 3: How was it for you when you got arrested?

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Speaker 5: Talk us through that that initial bust and how it

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Speaker 5: happened and what was involved for you to become convicted all.

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Speaker 3: Jail for drugs.

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Speaker 4: My ex fiance had a mental breakdown on coke and

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Speaker 4: ran off with like a whole bunch of my cash

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Speaker 4: and some drugs, and she got picked up in Coronella

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Speaker 4: by the cops and she told them that I was

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Speaker 4: a massive drug dealer and.

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Speaker 6: I got raided by the Raptor squad.

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Speaker 3: And rapper welcome.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I was at home, just like a Friday afternoon.

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Speaker 4: I was at home watching a movie and then I

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Speaker 6: You know, I heard please search weren't.

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Speaker 4: And I just grabbed whatever drugs I could and ran

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Speaker 4: upstairs and had to flushing them down the toilet. And

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Speaker 4: then they breached the house and I ran upstairs and

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Speaker 4: I hid behind the bedroom door.

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Speaker 3: And because they work at the fines were.

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Speaker 6: They I can see the jokes right themselves.

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Speaker 5: You know, you just hid behind the bedroom door as

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Speaker 5: they raided me.

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Speaker 3: I'm not here. I'm not home. I'm not he's not home. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't look behind the door, so bigga boo, I'm

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they tackle me whatever and issued the search

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Speaker 4: had a field.

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Speaker 3: Day with you. They would have just tickled you everywhere. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They get the GP in the side of.

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Speaker 5: The face while you're on the ground, and the hog

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Speaker 5: tide and all the rest of it.

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Speaker 3: Nah experience or just a sample.

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Speaker 6: Just a sample.

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Speaker 4: Nah. They just dug their knees into my legs and

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Speaker 6: But yeah, they were pretty general. I think we compared

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit forceful sometimes they like to sort of, you know,

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So I think I didn't cop it as bad

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Speaker 3: So been because it was mainly mushrooms.

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Speaker 6: Surely, I think so.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, they knew that I didn't have any I

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it was it was fine. And then.

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Speaker 4: They went they tore the house apart, found you know,

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Speaker 4: got locked up and bail refused the next day on

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Speaker 4: what there was the two indictables, large commercial supply magic

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Speaker 4: mushrooms and large commercial supply of LSD.

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Speaker 3: And so was that presumption against bail because of those charges? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: So then I got sent to Parkley Prison and then

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Speaker 4: I spent the first two weeks there in quarantine, which

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Speaker 4: was shit because I mean I had no TV, nothing

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Speaker 4: four hours a day. And when you first get locked up.

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Speaker 5: You know, I can be really no, well, I'll be

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Speaker 5: really honest with you. I mean, obviously you know my

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Speaker 5: back end story. There's plenty of years that I had done.

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Speaker 5: It was never it was always overwhelming and intimidating every time.

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Speaker 5: I didn't matter who you were, but you sort of

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Speaker 3: In or around.

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Speaker 5: If you knew the boys or somebody, you'd help you out,

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Speaker 3: It's this last year.

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Speaker 5: Actually, twenty twenty two, I was arrested and put into

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Speaker 3: I had done twenty seven.

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Speaker 5: Days all up locked up, and eight of those days

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Speaker 5: if fuck they so chose you to that quarantine period

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Speaker 5: done is the most headfucking time. You're in there two

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Speaker 5: how they live. Breeze, shit, fart, sleep, It's just disgusting.

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Speaker 3: There is no cleanliness.

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Speaker 5: It is putrid, park leaves a puture, jailful stop anyway.

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Speaker 3: And you really know where you're at.

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Speaker 5: For you, I mean, you say four months, but that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Now that I'm out of it, it feels like

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Speaker 4: four months wasn't that long.

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Speaker 6: But at the time it felt like a very long time.

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Speaker 5: Well it does, mate, And especially if you don't know

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Speaker 3: You know, like, you get fucking nothing. There's no TV

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Speaker 5: There's no big bag of tuna and rice and two

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Speaker 3: There's none of that.

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Speaker 5: Ship the process you've got to go the people who

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Speaker 5: to get min numbers or VIN numbers. Even weeks, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: you don't how long take you to get a phone call?

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Speaker 3: Three four weeks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, because I sucked up putting. I put the

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Speaker 4: like that that like then you've got it. Takes you

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Speaker 4: It was a big learning curve. But also yeah, just

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Speaker 4: any distractions from my own thoughts. But yeah, there were

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Speaker 4: other times where we got locked up when there were

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Speaker 4: COVID outbreaks, both at Parkley and at Long Bay.

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Speaker 6: There were guys. Sometimes guys got locked in their.

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Speaker 4: Cell, you know, for thirty days straight at silver Water

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Speaker 5: Well, the thing is too the sweepers are the only

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Speaker 5: because that's what you know, blokes do help blokes out

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Speaker 5: the door, mate. They were absolutely hammered for it.

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Speaker 6: The sweepers. Yeah, fuck what for just even trying to

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Speaker 3: Because obviously everyone was locked in.

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Speaker 5: They were the only ones who could deliver the meals,

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Speaker 3: Brought your toilet paper and stuff like that. So you know,

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Speaker 5: Obviously, we had a couple of the boys up there

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Speaker 4: When I had a cold one time in Parkley and

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Speaker 4: I made the mistake of asking the screws for pole

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Speaker 4: just a panadole.

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Speaker 3: What did that mean?

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Speaker 3: And got the cough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I like, I asked it for a panadole,

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Speaker 4: and I said and then I made a mistake of

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Speaker 6: And so he was so he was dirty on me.

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Speaker 6: He was like, fuck, I told you not to say anything, and.

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Speaker 3: So tell me. He wasn't on the BUPA or anything.

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Speaker 6: No, he was.

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Speaker 4: He was fine, and we were we were good mates.

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Speaker 4: So I mean here, he just he was a bit

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Speaker 4: got over it. But when we got released again, all

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Speaker 4: these other guys that I was locked up with were

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Speaker 4: saying to me, mate, like next time, if you need

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Speaker 4: ask us.

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Speaker 6: Don't ask the screws. They won't help you.

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Speaker 4: And so that's what you learn pretty quickly, is you're

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Speaker 3: And hence the right you obviously just missed it.

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Speaker 6: I was there for that.

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Speaker 3: I was what was that experience.

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Speaker 5: and to be honest with you, I don't care who

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Speaker 5: You're either in it or you're out of it, and

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Speaker 4: That started in five C Parkley, and that was where

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Speaker 4: We thought it was funny, right from from from from

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And then we all got locked back up and

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Speaker 3: For a record.

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Speaker 2: I'm don't try and make you uncomfortable pot a record.

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Speaker 2: You ain't trying world any stuff for your foot a

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Speaker 2: record lab on me going hard away foot of record.

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Speaker 2: Ain't trying to lenk No, trying to waste stuff.

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