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Speaker 1: the news from The Australian. From the Australian, Here's what's

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Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Friday, August twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Unions are turning on the Albanese government, with the powerful

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Speaker 1: Electrical Trades Union to withhold more than a million dollars

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Speaker 1: forced the construction union into administration following allegations of corruption

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Speaker 1: and misbehavior. Aged care is about to get a lot

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Speaker 1: more expensive after the collapse of negotiations in Canberra. Some

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Speaker 1: self funded retirees entering a nursing home will have to

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Speaker 1: spend forty thousand dollars more on the cost of care.

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Speaker 1: There's a corporate sex scandal allegedly right at the top

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Speaker 1: of one of our most significant retail companies, and they're

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Speaker 1: fighting to keep it all secret. Today the moment Our

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Speaker 1: Journal puts some very awkward questions to a CEO fighting

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Speaker 1: allegations of impropriety.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Anthony.

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Speaker 3: How are you.

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Speaker 4: Good?

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Speaker 1: This is The Australian's retail reporter Eli Greenblatt, and he's

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Speaker 1: interviewing one of the most intriguing figures in Australian business today,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Hereti, the boss of a company called super Retail.

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Speaker 1: They've just announced some great annual results, which is why

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Speaker 1: they've I suspect reluctantly granted Eli an interview, But Eli

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to talk about the results, at least not yet.

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Speaker 2: It's a record result and the dividends are up.

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Speaker 3: But as I'm sure you can realize, there are other

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Speaker 3: issues going on at super Retail which I need to

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Speaker 3: ask you about, and then I'm happy, of course, to

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Speaker 1: You can almost feel Anthony herity wincing.

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Speaker 3: Allegations of really what looks like from the outside, a

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Speaker 3: toxic workplace environment, bullying, harassment, other issues. I'm sorry that

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Speaker 3: you know about and you've read about. What do you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate good answer the question. I can't comment

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Speaker 4: those delegations in the public square.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry to answers, but I have to are you

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Speaker 3: currently in a relationship with Jane Kelly.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be the same answer, Eli, he said,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be the same answer, Eli. Now, Eli

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Speaker 1: it from me, this is a toe curlingly awkward question

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Speaker 3: But I mean, whether or not you're in a relationship

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Speaker 3: So that's a personal relationship. You can't comment on that.

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Speaker 4: Oh Eli, I'm sorry, I'm not going to be disrespectful. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: that is that issues attached to David claim is going

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Speaker 1: If you didn't catch that, Anthony Heredy said, that's attached

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Speaker 1: to a statement of claim that's going to be subject

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Speaker 1: to a public hearing. We'll hear all about it in

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Speaker 1: due course. Oh yes we will. In fact, this story

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Speaker 1: is already going off in the boardrooms and newsrooms. You

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Speaker 1: of the brands it owns.

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Speaker 2: Keep it running with Super Tibordo and the best performing oils.

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Speaker 2: Whatever code of footy you're into, rebel sport. I've got

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Speaker 4: If this was a film, the jacket would probably start

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a macpack, Macpack, and.

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Speaker 1: The story of what's going on behind the scenes is

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Speaker 2: Oh it was awkward, Yes, it was, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: These are not the kinds of interviews you normally do

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Speaker 3: No, it's not the type of questions I normally ask

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Speaker 1: Do you think he was expecting you to ask those

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Speaker 2: I think he, and I think he was prepared.

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Speaker 2: Although there is some interest in how his stores are going.

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Speaker 3: Most of the answers were look like, can't comic because.

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Speaker 2: Before the courts, which is true, it is before the courts.

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Speaker 2: Management's not distracted, but getting on with the business.

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Speaker 1: In fact, yes, there was a moment when he said

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Speaker 2: The consumer is restrained. There is a cost of living.

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Speaker 3: Crisis, but their retail operations seem to do be doing

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Speaker 1: Who is Jane Kelly and why does it matter whether

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Speaker 3: That creates a whole lot of corporate governance problems, given

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Speaker 3: Now this has all come out because two of the

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Speaker 2: One of them was sacked. They've then launched action.

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Speaker 3: What do you make in the allegations that this relationship

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Speaker 4: Again, no out.

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Speaker 1: No comment from Anthony Herety, Yeah, I think it's probably

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Speaker 3: They Actually Super Retail came out and in a way

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Speaker 3: Well, we first learned about it because in April Super

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Speaker 3: She claims to be a whistleblower and she made many

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Speaker 1: Justice Michael Lee made it clear during the very famous

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Speaker 3: Yes, they could be, and it does give them time,

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Speaker 3: What is in there that they don't want us to see?

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Speaker 1: Management misbehavior is definitely the theme of the moment ELI.

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Speaker 1: Even today, there are scandals raging in hospitality in our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking generally and not about super retail. Absolutely it

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Speaker 1: Eli green Black is a senior business reporter with The Australian.

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Speaker 1: this week. Our team is Kristen Amiot Leat, Sam mcglow,

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Speaker 1: Jasper League, Georsh Burton, Tiffany Demack and me Claire Harvey