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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Pit Talk, a Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, it's Hungarian

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix week, with the sport feeling tighter than ever

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Speaker 1: after the triple head up. Will this finally be McLaren's

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Speaker 1: chance to capitalize on its good form after weeks of

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Speaker 1: mistakes and elsewhere, Adrian Newey launches his long awaited Red

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Speaker 1: Bull hypercar with an eyewatering price tag. My name is

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Speaker 1: Michael Lamonato, motorsport riter for Fox Sports Australia. It's great

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Speaker 1: to have your company, and the company of my co

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Speaker 1: host from Speed Cafe. He knows exactly how to say

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Speaker 1: Grand Prix of Hungary in Hungarian. It's Matt Cotch.

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you now? Mate?

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Speaker 3: I butcher things in my somewhat half Australian, half English accent,

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Speaker 3: so throwing just even a hint of French or Italian

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Speaker 3: there and I just yeah, it all comes unraveled. Then

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Speaker 3: you're throwing some Hungarian and they're not a stew mate,

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Speaker 3: not gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: I feel like whenever I've gone to the Hungarian Grand Prix,

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Speaker 1: I'm always surprised at how absolutely unfamiliar the language is.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like a very boring talk topic, but after

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Speaker 1: so much of Europe, obviously all the other languages are familiar,

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Speaker 1: even if you do understand them. Even if you go

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Speaker 1: to Japan, you know what, it looks like you had

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Speaker 1: a hungry and it's like, man, what's this. I don't

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Speaker 1: understand this at all.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people don't speak English as well.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, absolutely bugging if you get stuck somewhere, which

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Speaker 3: in the days before the Internet, which is when I

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Speaker 3: first did the Hungarian Grand Prix, it was yeah, that

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Speaker 3: was that was that was an exciting time.

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Speaker 2: I spent a long time.

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Speaker 3: There's a service station or a garage just outside the circuit.

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Speaker 2: I spent a long time there waiting for a fax

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Speaker 3: That's a whole different, a whole different story that one

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Speaker 3: day I'll share.

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Speaker 1: It was really in many respects, and this somewhat off topic,

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Speaker 1: but the original broad venture race, if you're like, we've

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Speaker 1: become used to be fun racing in sort of newer

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Speaker 1: novel territories, but this was originally behind the iron curtain.

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Speaker 1: So it's come a long way since then. No longer

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Speaker 1: feels novel. I mean, it's been very much part of

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Speaker 1: what has been for what is it since the eighties?

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Speaker 1: How many years of.

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Speaker 2: Six was first appearance?

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Speaker 1: Yet there you go, So we're approaching forty years if

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Speaker 1: is correct.

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Speaker 3: There's been a year or two there through COVID that

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Speaker 3: It's it's crazy to think. And there's new facilities there

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Speaker 3: the stuff that was there when the Iron Curtain was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is remarkable. I feel like as long as

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Speaker 1: I've been doing that race, they've been saying it was

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Speaker 1: Anyway, we'll get to the Hungarian Grand Prix and what

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Speaker 1: to expect this weekend a little bit later on, but

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Speaker 1: Matt let's first start off with the five new stories

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Speaker 1: of the week. It has been an off week for

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Speaker 1: Formula One. It does really feel like everyone needed that

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Speaker 1: off week. I think it has been relatively quiet Playoff

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Speaker 1: one standards, but of course there's plenty to talk about,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to give you the five stories in

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Speaker 1: just five minutes. Matt, let me start with the RB seventeen.

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Speaker 1: It's Adrian Neui's final Red Bull task the unveiling of

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Speaker 1: his RB seventeen hypercar, the name being the red Bull

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Speaker 1: car that wasn't made during COVID. It explains a slightly

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Speaker 1: unusual name. Only fifty are going to be made. The

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Speaker 1: price tag is around ten million Australian dollars per car.

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Speaker 1: Not bad. I don't know if he gets all of

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 3: This is a little bit like the was it the

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Speaker 3: them for a little bit, you know, pay ten million

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Speaker 3: the money in the bank.

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Speaker 1: Adrian Nui is essentially your bank teller in this situation,

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Speaker 1: which is a very exciting way to think about it.

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Speaker 1: But keep your eyes out for that. When it was

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Speaker 1: plenty of photios and videos doing the rounds, but Adrian

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Speaker 1: whu He has also been in the news for, of

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Speaker 1: course other reasons. We continue to wonder where he's going

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Speaker 1: to be working next year. You're in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: after he leaves Red Bull Racing. Very specifically in the

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Speaker 1: first quarter of twenty twenty five, word out of Italy

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Speaker 1: Matt is that Ferrari's no longer top of priorities, with

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Speaker 1: CEO Benedettovigna reportedly booking at the salary. And also, and

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Speaker 1: this is what I find interesting, the potential for him

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Speaker 3: Think that he's what is he sixty five, He's only

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Speaker 3: It's going to be eighteen months before he could have

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Speaker 3: two or three years to go down a different path.

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Speaker 3: So chances are that path might be right. But then

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Speaker 3: by the time they're on the path, he's only got

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Speaker 3: a couple of years left before retirement, and it's a

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Speaker 3: big gamble. But I think it's a big gamble no

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Speaker 3: matter where he goes, and ultimately is it better to

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Speaker 2: Personally, I'd pay him the cash.

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Speaker 1: Well, the rumor is now that Aston Martin's top of

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Speaker 1: that pile, potentially as well McLaren being in the mix,

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Speaker 1: but you won't know, likely until September matdist Oh, are

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Speaker 1: you right during the week about race hosting fees? That

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Speaker 1: magical number that pumps up F one's banking Speaking of

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Speaker 1: bank accounts, F one's bank accounts, it's relatively closely guarded

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Speaker 1: What have you found?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so about seven hundred and seventy million dollars a

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Speaker 3: year going to F one's coffers. This was not the

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Speaker 3: work of a moment, not the work of sticking my

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Speaker 3: There's about eight events next year that I due for expiring.

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Speaker 3: If you plot them out on a scattergraph, you can

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Speaker 3: see they all pay well under the odds. So things

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Speaker 2: That's risk here.

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Speaker 3: But interestingly the Australian Grand Prix thirty seven million dollars

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Speaker 2: Look at it in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 3: It's got a contract until twenty thirty seven, so that actually.

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Speaker 2: Leaves it below average as it stands.

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Speaker 3: The caveat being that there is a new contract that

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money, with the other thirds broken

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Speaker 1: up by advertising and television, which we're all paying for

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Speaker 1: on to a track of some kind British Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: in a private filming day test. This is officially not

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Speaker 1: Liam Lawson is in the frame to potentially get into

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Speaker 1: was all Daniel Ricardo mania following his own Proori titest

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Speaker 1: at Silverston. Well, there hasn't been that sudden explosion of hype.

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Speaker 3: There hasn't been, but the caveat being that it was wet,

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Speaker 3: so those comparisons were out the window. Perhaps a better

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Speaker 1: In September, and he does have an RB test in season,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, no great surprise, is it a great move?

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Speaker 3: Remains to be seen. Obviously, Hass has been linked to

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Speaker 3: Maybe there are bright things happening in Hass's future that

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Speaker 2: A good step forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good move, and we'll see what happens after that.

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Speaker 1: They are the five new stories of the week. It's

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Speaker 1: an interesting room you touched on there the Toyota has

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Speaker 1: thing with. Will be more on that undoubtedly in future weeks.

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Speaker 1: But Matt, let's start with our first major topic of

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Speaker 1: the week. We sees this last week. This was following,

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Speaker 1: of course, the British Grand Prix that McLaren did not win,

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Speaker 1: it in several different configurations as well, with one car,

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Speaker 1: two cars, one car in a different order. They're strong

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Speaker 1: even to be made that after the last in fact,

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Speaker 1: six rounds, I'm willing to say, almost dating all the

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Speaker 1: way back to Lando Norris's first in Miami, that McLaren

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Speaker 1: should have way more wins than just one this season

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Speaker 1: and of course therefore be much closer in both championship standings.

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Speaker 1: I've done and I do enjoy doing this A purely

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Speaker 1: hypothetical version of the championship for Fox sports dot com

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Speaker 1: dot Au late last week specifically the last six races,

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Speaker 1: and I want to run you through these map and

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Speaker 2: This sounds good of exciting, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Emilia Rana Grand Prix won by Max was staffing in reality,

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Speaker 1: teams and drivers. We've talked quite a bit, especially last episode,

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Speaker 1: and you can go back and find that in your

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Speaker 1: podcast app of Choice about the problem and question facing

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Speaker 1: Red bull Racing, and that potentially involves, of course, Daniel, Ricardo,

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Speaker 1: Lee and Wilson. You just noticed your pairs. What's going

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Speaker 1: to happen there? Much of that's going to be decided

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Speaker 1: after the next two rounds. What I'm interested to find

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Speaker 1: out now is if we can get and if it's

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Speaker 1: even worth asking what the form guide is because it

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Speaker 1: seems so changeable. Who's going to win the next two

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Speaker 1: races for the first time in a long time is

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Speaker 1: an extremely difficult question to answer. There are a couple

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Speaker 1: of reasons you might want to think it could be. Mercedes,

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Speaker 1: despite being so poor over the last two years, took

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Speaker 1: pole position at both of them with through Russell and

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Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilton in twenty two and twenty three respectively. Lewis

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Speaker 1: Hamilton is the most successful driver of all time here

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Speaker 1: with eight wins, so quld equal that record, equaling ninth

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Speaker 1: win if he wins this weekend. And there are more

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Speaker 1: upgrades to come for Mercedes this weekend. We know as

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Speaker 1: we sort of talked about last week about that Mercedes

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Speaker 1: is back in the mix. I'm interested to see if

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Speaker 1: they're actually back in that regular race winning mix rather

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Speaker 1: than just being at the point end.

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Speaker 2: In general.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be it's going to be a

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Speaker 3: scorcher in Hungary and it's always hot there, but you know,

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Speaker 3: Budapest and the Circuit's only fifteen kilometers out of the

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Speaker 3: circuit out of the city, but Budapest is in the

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Speaker 3: middle of an extreme heat wave. You know, we're talking

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Speaker 3: mid thirties for the last week or so, creeping up

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Speaker 3: to around forties over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: I was keeping half an eye on it even now.

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Speaker 2: The long range stuff.

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Speaker 3: We're talking thirty four degrees on Friday, thirty three on Saturday,

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Speaker 3: thirty four on Sunday, and that's with the cloud cover,

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Speaker 3: so it's going to be hot. I'm unconvinced. I may

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Speaker 3: to be convinced. It's probably a better way to say

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Speaker 3: about Mercedes in hot conditions. It works well in the

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Speaker 3: cooler conditions. We saw that in Canada, we saw that

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Speaker 3: in Silverston. Let's see what the updates bring. But I'm

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Speaker 3: not convinced they're yet in that conversation day in day out.

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Speaker 3: Like we say, McLaren is now with Red Bull. I

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Speaker 3: think we can go into to this weekend looking at

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Speaker 3: Red Bull and McLaren realistically being contenders for the big trophy,

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Speaker 3: the one that Landa will try not to drop this year.

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Speaker 2: Ferrari. If they get it together, they can be in there.

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Speaker 3: But they get it together less often than not, less

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Speaker 3: often than not, So I.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious to see where Mercedes ends up.

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Speaker 3: That's to me the big one this weekend, because if

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Speaker 3: Mercedes starts getting too the mix, it makes Red Bulls

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Speaker 3: job easier. And the reason I say that is it

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Speaker 3: will start taking points away from mc red Bull.

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Speaker 2: Losing points at this stage doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be diminishing returns in terms of the

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Speaker 3: impact it has on its constructors Championship advantage. It will

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Speaker 3: hurt Red Bull, sorry, hurt McClaren far more than will

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Speaker 3: hurt Red Bull. So I kind of want Mercedes in

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Speaker 3: there so that we've got six drivers, potentially eight drivers

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Speaker 3: vying for a win on any given weekend. I'm being

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Speaker 3: generous to Sergio, but at the same time I kind

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Speaker 3: of don't because then you've got abilities and outside chance,

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Speaker 3: but you've then got a chance of a championship battle.

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Speaker 3: And in the grand scheme of things, what's that's a

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Speaker 3: big What gets you out of your seat?

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Speaker 2: Mike?

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Speaker 3: Is it a combative races or a combative championship?

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Speaker 1: Good question.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I'm very on board with the idea of a constructor's

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Speaker 1: championship battle because I can't think of the last time

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Speaker 1: we got a battle that was purely for the constru

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Speaker 1: Tructors Championship. Is always the driver's title attached almost always,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying.

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Speaker 3: To think back now quickly fourteen, twenty fourteen, say, surely not.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fourteen, twenty ten, but there was also the driver's

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Speaker 1: title attached. That that's what I mean. Last time we

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Speaker 1: had a pure constructors.

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Speaker 3: Title twenty one twenty one, the drivers and Mercedes won

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Speaker 3: the constructors that's.

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Speaker 1: True, but still to my point, there's still was the

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Speaker 1: driver's title alive, and that obviously took the attention because still,

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Speaker 1: while the teams obviously all want to win the constructors

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Speaker 1: title because there's the prize money element and the prestige

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Speaker 1: album all that kind of thing, the drivers is the

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Speaker 1: thing that gets headlines that they sell themselves on. So

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Speaker 1: if that's decided on the one hand in Max's favor,

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Speaker 1: it makes the battle then really quite tactical, because if

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Speaker 1: we've if everyone decides that Max is too far away

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Speaker 1: to catch, and that's pretty much the case unless something

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Speaker 1: really bizarre happened in the second half of the year,

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Speaker 1: then sudding all the drivers really have to play the

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Speaker 1: team game and will be called upon to play the

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Speaker 1: team game because it's the only thing that's alive to win.

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Speaker 1: I like a good race, obviously, but the broader narrative

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Speaker 1: I think is more exciting. The idea that Red Bull

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Speaker 1: Racing might lose the Constructors Championship so relatively early at

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Speaker 1: what we might term this second dynasty as well, I

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Speaker 1: think is a really interesting storyline because by rights, they

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Speaker 1: should have it pretty easy this year, even though it's

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Speaker 1: so competitive. If Sergio Perez were pulling his weight, it

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Speaker 1: should be sorted by now, and it's potential they've missed

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Speaker 1: the window to have capitalized on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of equate it.

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Speaker 3: This is a realization that I've just had what you

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Speaker 3: were speaking there, and I'm a massive cycling fan, to

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Speaker 3: the point when I was initially I between Imiler and Monica,

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Speaker 3: I scarved off for a day when saw a.

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Speaker 2: Stage of the Gero D'taier.

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Speaker 3: I saw Tana pegn pulature win at the top of

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Speaker 3: some mountain somewhere as the coldest I've ever been.

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Speaker 2: In my life.

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Speaker 3: But if you consider, you know, a big bike race

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Speaker 3: like the Gero Dtailier or the Volta Spana or probably

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Speaker 3: more recently the Tour de France.

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Speaker 2: If you consider that to be a world championship.

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Speaker 3: Within that, you've got all these individual races that can

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Speaker 3: be individually very exciting, but then you've got all packaged

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Speaker 3: up within a month or twenty one days, twenty four days,

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Speaker 3: by the time you'll take rest days, you've got it

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Speaker 3: all packaged up, and you've got this narrative that runs

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Speaker 3: all the way through it. And for me as a

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Speaker 3: cycling fan, that's what I follow all the way through.

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Speaker 3: I love watching you know, Mark Cavendish winning his thirty

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Speaker 3: fifth stage tour at the Tour that was fantastic. You know,

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Speaker 3: I remember well seeing his first stage winning back in

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Speaker 3: the day. Seeing those highlights is brilliant. See Goskopiastri's first

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Speaker 3: win is going to be brilliant. It's going to happen,

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Speaker 3: as you know, it's a matter of time, but seeing

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Speaker 3: that will be brilliant. But for me, the biggest story

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Speaker 3: is how the championship is one and watching not necessarily

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Speaker 3: now and understanding it, but perhaps looking back and seeing

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Speaker 3: where these leavers are being pulled and how whoever ends

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Speaker 3: up with the championship. Let fate, let's be honest, it's

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Speaker 3: going to be Max and red Bull how they actually

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Speaker 3: achieved that, and I think we're going to reflect at

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. It's going to be as

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Speaker 3: you said before, those first five races where they were

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Speaker 3: so rapid, all the gates will be key, and then

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Speaker 3: I've just hung on through through the end of it.

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Speaker 1: I also think that a battle for the driver's championship

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Speaker 1: is obviously what we're all here for, but it's so rare.

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Speaker 1: You get a long battle between the two protagonists on track, right.

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Speaker 1: The driver's title battle normally happens really race to race,

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Speaker 1: but then when you're talking about constructors points, you tend

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Speaker 1: to get weirder strategies. You also then tend to get

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Speaker 1: drivers having to drive defensively against other drivers, and I

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Speaker 1: actually think that ends up being really exciting. You think

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Speaker 1: back to I know this is a driver's example, but

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Speaker 1: Sergio peir Is defending against Lewis Hamilton from that cursed

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Speaker 1: Abudaw twenty twenty one or even and there was nothing

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Speaker 1: on the line, But it's not other than pride but hungry.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, Fernando Alonso versus Lewis Hamilton,

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Speaker 1: when a driver has to defend and use all of

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Speaker 1: their wits to defend, which is almost always to do

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Speaker 1: with constructors and strategy. Was exactly really excited. Well, exactly right.

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Speaker 1: That's it's exactly right. And they've been doing that four

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Speaker 1: constructors championship position because there's no glory on the line

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Speaker 1: for either driver obviously, but there is millions of dollars

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Speaker 1: on the line for Haa. So I think that's quite interesting.

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Speaker 1: So we'll wait and see, we'll see how it unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Ferrari could be you know what's interesting about all this

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Speaker 1: as well as we never talked about Ferrari in the

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Speaker 1: context of it being second in the constructor standing, it's

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Speaker 1: been a lot of times as we mentioned that they

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Speaker 1: are actually the closest team to Red Bull Racing. Fred

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Speaker 1: Massa talked to Yeah, talked a good game after a

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Speaker 1: pretty dow of British Grand Prix in which Color Science

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Speaker 1: was almost fifty seconds off the lead and Charlocke there

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Speaker 1: was a lap down that this was the weekend they

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Speaker 1: had to have to use a phrase similar to last

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Speaker 1: year's Dutch Grand Prix where they sort of sacrificed all

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Speaker 1: the practice to understand why the upgrades they brought were working.

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Speaker 1: Why the car wasn't working, And he pointed out after

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Speaker 1: the Dutch Grand Prix was Monza, and what was after Singapore,

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Speaker 1: And of course Monza they are on pole and got

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Speaker 1: as close as any team was going to get to

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Speaker 1: winning that race, and then did win in Singapore and

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Speaker 1: actually bounced back and that really good end of the

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Speaker 1: season that seemed to spring board them into this year.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is actually quite an important race

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Speaker 1: for Ferrari because if there's any truth to the good

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Speaker 1: game Fred Masser talks, it should show up here. Also

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Speaker 1: because this circuit should be a bit more favorable to Ferrari.

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Speaker 1: It's not as high speed. It's certainly not what they

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Speaker 1: used to say Monaco without the walls of yesteryear, because

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Speaker 1: it's just not the way it works with these cars.

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Speaker 1: But it is slower speed. It should be more Ferrari

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Speaker 1: friendly territory.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really good point as well. You know,

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Speaker 3: Ferrari doesn't excel at the extreme high speed. It doesn't

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Speaker 3: like the really long stuff. We saw that in Spain.

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Speaker 3: It's not too about the shortest stuff, but you know

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Speaker 3: there's a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit of everything. In Hungary.

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Speaker 3: It's more a medium to high speed circuit. These days,

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Speaker 3: some of the g's they pull. I saw a video comparison.

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Speaker 3: I think it was two thousand and four, Michael Schumacher

633
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Speaker 3: going through the left hander at the top of the hill,

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Speaker 3: ending the camel's neck and onto his jawline.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what cordinator is.

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Speaker 3: What we want two three, maybe maybe turn four the

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Speaker 3: left handed, but he was doing something like two hundred

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Speaker 3: kilometer is now back in two thousand and four. These

639
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Speaker 3: days they're doing two hundred and sixty through the same quarter.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's extreme. I mean you look at the

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Speaker 3: cars and fundamentally they don't really look any different, and

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Speaker 3: yet they're doing sixty kilometers Now, I mean that's proportionally,

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Speaker 3: that's significant, and you know you multiply that out around

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Speaker 3: the lap, and yeah, you end up with a high

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Speaker 3: speed circuit. It's not Monaco in a paddock anymore.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: I mean the downside is that overtaking is difficult tired

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Speaker 3: deg It'd be interesting to see where we land with

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Speaker 3: that and Probbly they considered it a four out of

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Speaker 3: five for traction, two out of five for Rashvelt grip,

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Speaker 3: two out of five for abrasion.

652
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Speaker 2: Five out of five for downfalls obviously just bowled.

653
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: Out everything you've got on, but it's an average or

654
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: they're about circuit four times, So yeah, I don't know

655
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: that we get too much help out of those. But yeah,

656
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: I don't know it's going to be interesting. Ferrari could

657
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: be there, but you're right, I you know that I'll

658
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: put an asterisk next to them as a contender, where

659
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 3: you know I'll put a highlighter through Red Bull and McLaren.

660
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is difficult to pass here, but it does

661
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: also feel like the Hungara rings come into its own

662
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: in the last i don't know, a few years. It

663
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: feels like it's almost consistently a reasonably good race now,

664
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: So sometimes circuits just click weirdly and look finally and briefly,

665
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: because we do have to get to our ratings. Of

666
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: course we wrap this up, we should mention, of course,

667
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: RB because there will be a lot of focus on

668
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: that team, particularly on Daniel Ricardo on whether he can

669
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: haul himself into contention for Sergio Perez a seat in

670
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: the second half of the year. Remarkable that could be

671
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: either get back to Red Bull Racing or POTSIV sacks.

672
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: You won't see that any other support. But this is

673
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: a team that was also struggling with up grades after

674
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Barcelona I think it was as well. Has seemed to

675
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: have generally wound a lot of those back too, and

676
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: have ended up somewhere that's just outside the top ten.

677
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: Now feels a lot like HASS might have stepped ahead.

678
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: We also got LPNE closing in behind. It's also be

679
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: an important race for that team, because there's a lot

680
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: of positivity and almost hype, certainly during preseason testing that

681
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: RB could be the next team to try and join

682
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: those front runners. Still a while away from that, but

683
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: it seems like even topping the midfield now seems like

684
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: it could be becoming increasingly difficult.

685
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 3: I think preseason there's a little bit of scare mongering

686
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: there as well, because there's this whole ab team relationship

687
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: and some of that stuff was creeping into the conversation preseason,

688
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: being led by one or two rivals. But I mean,

689
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 3: this is a critical weekend for RB, not in terms

690
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 3: of the result and the need to score points, but

691
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: the need to get on top of the damned upgrades,

692
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 3: because since whatever they bolted on in Spain, the carl

693
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 3: went back they arrived in Austria with a bit of

694
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: a mismatch. They almost ran back to back between the

695
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: two cars with mismatched parts to try and get an

696
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 3: idea and a grip on where they're gone wrong, which

697
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: in itself is highly alarming because you know what Formula

698
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: One team goes to a track and said, oh, we

699
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: don't know what the issue is, let's just try a

700
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: bit of everything. That's that's a hell of an acknowledgment.

701
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: There were positive signs in the race for for Daniel Ricardo,

702
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: the Sprint British Grand Prix. Again they were they were nowhere,

703
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: and that's that's a concern. Okay, Yuki, would you can

704
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: have ninth? I think it was in the end, but

705
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: they were inconspicuous. They were over outperformed by by has

706
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: in a race where you didn't have a red Bull feature,

707
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 3: you didn't have a Ferrari feature, so they were realistically

708
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: in a normal race.

709
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: There are eleventh.

710
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 3: But the biggest concern here is those updates and the

711
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 3: correlation issue that they clearly have.

712
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: If they don't understand.

713
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: After the Belgian Grand Prix, what the hell is going

714
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 3: on with those upgrades, I would expect that team to

715
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: plummet like a stone in the back half of the year,

716
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 3: because how can you bring upgrades if you're not confident

717
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: in what you're bringing adding performance? Because that's ultimately what

718
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: they want to do. They want to improve the car.

719
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily about lap time. It's improving tire wear

720
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 3: or temperature build up or whatever it might be. But

721
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: you've got to have confidence that when you bolt the

722
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 3: bit on, it's going to have the expected result, give

723
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 3: or take a few percent, and at the moment it's take.

724
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: A lot of percent. And that's that's hugely concerning.

725
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: And I guess so I point against the whole amb

726
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: team argument because clearly it's not paying too much attention

727
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 3: to Red Bull.

728
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 2: If that was the case.

729
00:34:58,400 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: So quite a bit on the line for couple of

730
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: I was and a couple of teams in the Hungarian

731
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: Grand Prix. But let's wrap up Matt now in the

732
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: new traditional way out points for the week. I want

733
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: to start with yes, straightforward one, speaking about what we

734
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: talked about earlier on today, and I want to give

735
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: sixty six points back to McLaren for a missed opportunities

736
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: so far. This season's my first positive rating. I think

737
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: of the year.

738
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they were all which you have

739
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,720
Speaker 3: last week British Grand Prix minus hundred and sixty eight thousand.

740
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: A long way back to them.

741
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's say big half the season, big half. So

742
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: what's your ration out for giving McClaren back forty four points?

743
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, I just think that I want to get that.

744
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: I want to essentially wipe out the first five races.

745
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a traditional eighteen to

746
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: twenty race calendar. Unfortunately, the damage was done in those

747
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: first few races, so I want to give McLaren some

748
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: points back and get us back to where we should

749
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: be to get award.

750
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: It's like when you play baseball and they mercy after

751
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: you year so many runs down. So are you taking

752
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: away the first five races a year or the last

753
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: five of the couds completely botched?

754
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 2: No? I don't know.

755
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I'm just using the points that

756
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: they've lost. I want to give them back the I

757
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: want to give them back the advantage they should have.

758
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: So sixty sixty six points right, okay, all right, I'm

759
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to give three hundred and twenty nine points

760
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 3: to Ralph Schumacher because that's that's the number of points

761
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: that he scored during during his career, and it's you know,

762
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 3: he's made some revelations about his personal life on social

763
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: media in the last week.

764
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: Or so, and I think that's really all we need

765
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: to say about it.

766
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: He battled through his entire career, you know, pretending to

767
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 3: be someone in the years, and it's fabulous is now

768
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 3: able to be someone that he is and it's great

769
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: for the sport.

770
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 2: So plus three hundred and twenty nine points to to

771
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 2: Ralf Schumacher.

772
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: Doubled his whole career earnings. There you go, in one shot.

773
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: I've got another positive point to give, just one, one

774
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: positive point to Christian Horner.

775
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 2: Should hear hello, Yes.

776
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Christian Horner for not crashing Sebastian Vedel's Red Bull car

777
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: at Goodwood remarkable late call ups fashion Mettal. I like

778
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: the excuse he was just on holiday and good for him.

779
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: He's retired. He should be able to go on holiday

780
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: with his family. But he didn't crash the car. A

781
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: lot of pressure, by all reports there was, there were

782
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: genuine nerves to Christian order hadn't driven in a Formula

783
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: One car since ninety three, so what's that thirty odd

784
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: years thirty one years? Yeah, I think he said, yeah,

785
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: since the ninety eight or thereabouts and whatever. That was

786
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: probably Formula three car in South the top of my head,

787
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: and I had a crack, didn't screw it up. There

788
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: were a lot of red bull eras I think a

789
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: good would from my understanding, a lot of failures to

790
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: start cars and so on. So it wasn't the greatest

791
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: showing by the team, but the team boss he did alright,

792
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: So is that how many points?

793
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 2: Was that? One? Just one? Just one? All right? One?

794
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: He's off the mark, Yeah, exactly. He's already a head

795
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: of Logan's sergeant and.

796
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 1: Got him.

797
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Fun fact. Chris Horner raced against Craiglowns in Formulata.

798
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact.

799
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: You go, there, you go.

800
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 3: Funnily enough, Craiglowns was driving for Helmet Marco, so it's

801
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: all very very instant.

802
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: He belongs on the Helmet Marco pile of disappointing drivers.

803
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: Oh that was you, not me.

804
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying. I'm not saying he disappointing Helmut Marco.

805
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 3: I think they're extenuating circumstances, particularly given his teammate that

806
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: year was was one Pablo Montoya. Yes, yeah, that that

807
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 3: a young one. Pablo would tend to finish a few

808
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: drivers careers. I imagine as far as their Formula one

809
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: aspirations go. My second point, I've gone positive here as well.

810
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: Yuki Sonoda nice plus one thy nine hundred and sixty eight.

811
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: Wow, he's definitely in the Red Bull driver.

812
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 3: He because he drove in a modern F one car

813
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 3: with an old school helmet and goggles. And it's like

814
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty eight is when they begin to introduced full

815
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 3: face howits so is an absolute mad lad forgiving it.

816
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: You go, it's great. I love it. It's you.

817
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to say in the race, but for

818
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 3: her fun it's somewhere like Goodwood. Yeah, I think that's fabulous.

819
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, nineteen sixty eight to commemorate the year that

820
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: Bell began introducing full face hobits.

821
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yuki, he's now top of our leaderboard for what

822
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 2: it's worth.

823
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: Oh, I like margin, Yes, that's quite a lot. I

824
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: have to end on a minus though unfortunately for me anyway,

825
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: it's minus one point also to Christian Horner to zero

826
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: unfortunately for taking laps off Liam Lawson at the Silverston

827
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: filming day as practice for Goodwood. So Liam Hawson built

828
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: up to his two hundred kilometers or whatever it is

829
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 1: of the filming day and Christian Horder said, well, I

830
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: need to get a feel for the car.

831
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Get out.

832
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: So it wasn't wrong current Goodwood, but I think it was.

833
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: I believe it was the same time. Be wrong, but

834
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: I believe it was the same car. It's Silverston.

835
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 2: Wow, that's fantastic. Let's look into that.

836
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, even if it, even if it was an

837
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: old car, I still took tract I took some, took

838
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: some spotlight away from Liam.

839
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Mine. So there you go, Christian Horner back on

840
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 2: par with Logan sergeant and all right, so my last

841
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: point it all centers on Goodwood.

842
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 3: It seems this week my last points awarding goes okay,

843
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 3: So a special appearance relates a little bit to an

844
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 3: Australian jack doing an alpine Mineu's twenty and twelve points

845
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 3: for passing off the lotus E twenty is.

846
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: An alpine that really grates me. That sort of stuff.

847
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you're saying the rounds for a long time, isn't it.

848
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 2: In about seventeen different paint schemes.

849
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 3: But it's the car that Kippy Richen and drove to

850
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: Victory and Amy Derby in twenty twelve.

851
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: It is a Lotus E. Twenty. You you know, if

852
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 2: you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig.

853
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: You can't dress that thing up.

854
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the same team, and then it came out

855
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: of the same factory, but you can't try and pass

856
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 3: that off as an Alpine car. It's the same that

857
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 3: goes back to Lotus trying, you know that Lotus. They

858
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 3: keep me writing the Lotus trying to simultaneously claim the

859
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 3: heritage of Betaton and therefore told them and Lotus, which

860
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: is the point that I grappled with back a decade

861
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: or so ago. So yeah, minus twenty twelve four Alpine

862
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: for trying to falsify history.

863
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Surely they surely it's time they get an updated show cart. Like,

864
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I understand budget constraints, but that's a long time ago. Now,

865
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: surely time.

866
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 3: Would it not cost them more to rewrap the car

867
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: and maintain it and just bring one of the you know,

868
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: give you a quick dust through some tires on it

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Speaker 3: out you go.

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Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I don't know yes, it's certainly

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Speaker 1: done the rounds. Maybe they just like it, maybe it's

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Speaker 1: just you. It starts up easy, it doesn't give them

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Speaker 1: any problems to the mechanics. I don't know, but it's

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Speaker 1: sorely time that they bring an updated car.

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Speaker 2: But it's time to do with a hybrid battery and

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Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, quite possibly, but I mean other teams are

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Speaker 1: doing it. Come on, lift. That's all the time we've

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Speaker 1: got for pit Talk this week anyway, though, but we'll

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