Speaker 1: Why on Sky News This.
Speaker 2: Is Sharry, Thanks Andrew, and good evening.
Speaker 3: Massive show Tonight, a major exclusive AZEO Director General Mike
Speaker 3: Burgess declares that HERMAS supporters are a national security threat.
Speaker 3: These comments clarify his view on the GUASA.
Speaker 2: Visa issue that's in a moment.
Speaker 3: Also tonight, an ex UK spy chief weighs in on
Speaker 3: this very issue.
Speaker 4: And you're not going to avoid this terrorist problem.
Speaker 3: My exclusive interview with Sir Richie dearlove coming up shortly
Speaker 3: and with the heartbreaking news that six Israeli hostages have
Speaker 3: been executed by Hamas. For Israeli government spokesman Elon Levy
Speaker 3: will speak to us exclusively about.
Speaker 2: The media bias against Israel.
Speaker 3: Also today, Jim Chalmers at war with the RBA as
Speaker 3: the economy sinks. Will economist Warren Hogan would tell us
Speaker 3: who's to blame. But first now to our major exclusive.
Speaker 3: AZIO Director General Mike Burgess has told a private gathering
Speaker 3: that anyone who supports Harmas or the October seven terror
Speaker 3: attacks would pose a security threat. These comments clarify his
Speaker 3: view on the guards of visa issue. I can tonight
Speaker 3: reveal that mister Burgess has made it clear that Gazans
Speaker 3: who want a Palestinian state will be allowed into Australia,
Speaker 3: while support for HERMAS would be, in.
Speaker 2: His words, a deal breaker.
Speaker 3: This is a major development in the saga that has
Speaker 3: plagued the government over the past month. Since mister Burgess's
Speaker 3: appearance on the ABC last month, there's been considerable community
Speaker 3: confusion over whether Hamas activists were welcome in Australia.
Speaker 5: If it's just rhetorical re support and they don't have
Speaker 5: an ideology or support for a violent stream as an ideology,
Speaker 5: then that's not a problem.
Speaker 3: And then in question time Anthony ALBINIZI wouldn't answer the
Speaker 3: question twice about whether HERMAS supporters would pass the character
Speaker 3: test for an Australian visa.
Speaker 6: Prime Minister does supporting has pass the character test for
Speaker 6: an Australian visa.
Speaker 7: Everyone who applies for an Australian visa is subject to
Speaker 7: the same security standard set by the same agencies and
Speaker 7: the same personnel as under the former government.
Speaker 3: Well after weeks of concern, Mike Burgess's new comments.
Speaker 2: Clarify his position on the issue.
Speaker 3: I can reveal that Mike Burgess told a high level
Speaker 3: private gathering of business leaders and academics last week that
Speaker 3: it wasn't the case that he would give the green
Speaker 3: light to HERMAS supporters entering Australia.
Speaker 2: I understand.
Speaker 3: He told the gathering that any HERMAS supporters would be
Speaker 3: considered by ASIO to be a security threat. He said
Speaker 3: words to the effect of and I quote, if you
Speaker 3: support terrorism, if you support what happened on October seven,
Speaker 3: then you are a threat to security. So Mike Burgess
Speaker 3: clearly stating there that any support for her Mus or
Speaker 3: the terror attacks of October seven would be considered.
Speaker 2: A security threat by ASIO. He also made it clear that.
Speaker 3: Supporters of a Palestinian state, but not individuals who support
Speaker 3: her MUS, would be allowed into the country. I understand,
Speaker 3: he told the private gathering, and I quote believing Palestine
Speaker 3: should be an independent state would not automatically disqualify someone,
Speaker 3: but providing material support to HERMAS or harboring extremist beliefs would.
Speaker 2: Be a deal breaker.
Speaker 3: So Mike Burgess is now saying that supporters of a
Speaker 3: Palestinian state would be allowed into the country, but harboring
Speaker 3: extremist beliefsing support material support to HERMAS would be a
Speaker 3: deal breaker. Mike Burgess also spoke about how more people
Speaker 3: in Australia are being radicalized and how it's impossible to
Speaker 3: keep tabs on everyone. He also spoke about the approach
Speaker 3: taken by the organization he leads ASIO. He said again
Speaker 3: I quote AZIO takes a comprehensive and in depth approach
Speaker 3: to its security checks as defined by the ASIO Act.
Speaker 2: Each case is taken on its merits.
Speaker 3: We look at everything to determine if a person is
Speaker 3: a direct or indirect threat to security, not just one thing.
Speaker 3: And he also told the gathering that ASIO cannot go
Speaker 3: into the details of the security checks process because the
Speaker 3: more applicants know, the more likely and extremist will be
Speaker 3: able to use this to their advantage. Suffice to say,
Speaker 3: asio's checks and advice are part of a bigger process
Speaker 3: that's administered by Home Affairs. Now, my story tonight comes
Speaker 3: after considerable concern and confusion in the Australian community about
Speaker 3: how the possibility of her MUS activists arriving in Australia
Speaker 3: could be allowed. Mike Burgess's comments now clear this up.
Speaker 2: From a security perspective.
Speaker 3: He is saying unequivocally that support for HERMAS or for
Speaker 3: the October seven attacks would be considered by Asio to
Speaker 3: be a threat to Australia's national security. Now this tonight
Speaker 3: clears up Asio's position, but not the Albanese governments. The
Speaker 3: Australians editor at Large Paul Kelly wrote on the weekend
Speaker 3: that there has been a deliberate confusion between entry policy
Speaker 3: and security checks. Albanzi has tried to blur this line.
Speaker 3: He's tried to mislead the public by saying he's got
Speaker 3: confidence in Asio. Asio doesn't set the immigration policy. As
Speaker 3: Paul Kelly wrote in his excellent piece, the Albenzi government
Speaker 3: has given no explanation for its visa policy or process.
Speaker 3: He said, almost nothing is known about the government's originating decision.
Speaker 3: Was this authorized on submission by the National Security Committee
Speaker 3: of Cabinet as the only proper decision making body was
Speaker 3: an overall entry number agreed? Why were tourist visas used?
Speaker 3: What security provisions were authorized? Why didn't the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: make a formal, detailed statement on the decision and take
Speaker 3: related questions? Now, the Albenze government chose to use a
Speaker 3: visitor visas tourist visas that have a lower security vetting
Speaker 3: threshold to speed up the process of getting Gazans into Australia,
Speaker 3: and this is an admission already made by adhusik.
Speaker 6: Why visit A visas because they're faster. The process withf
Speaker 6: G visas take longer, and given what's happening right now
Speaker 6: and the dangers presented, the view was to try and
Speaker 6: get people out as quickly as you can.
Speaker 3: And as you know, the government has issued nearly three
Speaker 3: thousand visitor visas, with only some where a flag is
Speaker 3: raised actually going to Asio.
Speaker 2: For vetting the form ahead of m I six.
Speaker 3: Sir Richard Dearlove tonight on the show sits down for
Speaker 3: an exclusive interview and.
Speaker 2: He says there's a clear terror risk.
Speaker 3: He says no Gasans should be coming to Australia at
Speaker 3: this time. He says that would be his strong advice. Well,
Speaker 3: Mike Burgess's remarks that I've brought to you tonight have
Speaker 3: clarified the security position from Azio's perspective that her MUST
Speaker 3: supporters do pose a security threat. So now the Prime
Speaker 3: Minister needs to come out and say unequivocally that her
Speaker 3: MUST supporters don't be welcome in Australia, that supporting her
Speaker 3: MUS won't pass the character test because just overnight. We've
Speaker 3: seen the horrific and brutal murder, murder of six young
Speaker 3: innocent men and women after nearly a.
Speaker 2: Year spent in captivity.
Speaker 3: Anyone who supports this brutality has no place in our country,
Speaker 3: and that should be a statement of the obvious, not
Speaker 3: something the Prime Minister has to obfuscate and equivocate about,
Speaker 3: as he did on that last sitting day of Parliament.
Speaker 3: Here you see hersh Goldberg, Poland, just twenty three.
Speaker 2: His mother told us how.
Speaker 3: Hopeful she was that her son would come home when
Speaker 3: she spoke to us on this program. There's Alex Lebanov
Speaker 3: thirty three, Alma Garusi twenty six, Carmelgut thirty nine, Eden
Speaker 3: Urushelmi who turned twenty four just before she was killed,
Speaker 3: and Ori Denino twenty five. They each had so much
Speaker 3: to live for, their whole lives ahead of them, but
Speaker 3: Hermas executed them. They were shot at close range. Their
Speaker 3: bodies dumped inside a tunnel under Raffa, Yes, Rafa Rafa,
Speaker 3: where Penny Wang, Anthony Alberanizi, Kamala Harris and many others
Speaker 3: didn't want Israel to go.
Speaker 2: Remember that.
Speaker 7: I have directly put to Prime Minister net Nyahou Australia's
Speaker 7: concern about a grand invasion of Raffa and the consequences
Speaker 7: that would be there.
Speaker 8: We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every
Speaker 8: way that any major military operation in Rafa would be
Speaker 8: a huge wantmast I.
Speaker 9: Wish to restate the Australian government's grave concerns about an
Speaker 9: impending major Israeli ground offensive in Ruffa. Our message to
Speaker 9: Israel is listened to the world. Do not go down
Speaker 9: this path.
Speaker 3: So many young lives in Rafa waiting to be saved.
Speaker 3: Yet Penny Wang, Kamala Harris, Anthony Albinezi didn't want Israel
Speaker 3: to go there, didn't want Israel to go there where
Speaker 3: these young people, some of them children, some of them
Speaker 3: a baby, were there in captivity, held by her Musk terrorists,
Speaker 3: waiting to be rescued. And as for the statements by
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, well, one of their own
Speaker 3: American citizens was there waiting desperately.
Speaker 2: To be rescued, Hirsh. He was a duel American Israeli.
Speaker 3: I can't help but wonder how different the outcome for
Speaker 3: these hostages and many might have been if international agencies
Speaker 3: and world leaders had truly put immense pressure on her
Speaker 3: Muss and its backers like Katar for their release. If
Speaker 3: the Red Cross and other UN agencies had lectured not
Speaker 3: Israel but her Mus to release all of these lives,
Speaker 3: if they had insisted the Red Cross on visiting the
Speaker 3: children and other hostages in captivity, but they didn't, the
Speaker 3: world basically turned its backs on these young lives now
Speaker 3: lost to us forever.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I spoke with Britain's former top spy chief about the
Speaker 3: Guys of visa issue. The world famous former head of
Speaker 3: MI six, Sir Richard Dearlove, says that if he were
Speaker 3: in charge of our national security, his strong advice would
Speaker 3: be to stop any Gazans arriving from the terrorist controlled hotspot,
Speaker 3: at least until security vetting is possible.
Speaker 2: Now, Sir Richard held the.
Speaker 3: Role informally known as C from nineteen ninety nine to
Speaker 3: two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3: In your former role, would you have been worried about
Speaker 3: social cohesion issues and rising anti Semitism by bringing in
Speaker 3: literally thousands of people from Gaza when you look at
Speaker 3: their own governments hatred of Israel, which they want to
Speaker 3: wipe off the map.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Look, it's a shocking and it's a complex issue.
Speaker 4: And I think the problem that we're seeing is the
Speaker 4: exploitation of the Palestinians by Hamas. I mean, Hamas's attitude
Speaker 4: to the Palestinians has been entirely cynical. And you know,
Speaker 4: they have created a conflict where the civilian population is
Speaker 4: a shield, and you know they have mixed combatants and civilians.
Speaker 10: There's no separation in this war, and the.
Speaker 4: Palestinians have suffered dreadfully and we all, i think, feel
Speaker 4: that concern and that sympathy which has turned, you know,
Speaker 4: into an extreme situation. I think the danger that you
Speaker 4: mention in relation to Australia, and I'm not informed of
Speaker 4: the detail, is amongst some of those people coming into Australia,
Speaker 4: there would I would I would imagine not just be
Speaker 4: Hamus sympathizers, but the possibility that there are Hamous activists
Speaker 4: as well. And there's no question that Iran, you know,
Speaker 4: will be exploiting these opportunities. I mean, they have a
Speaker 4: very active intelligence organization which has a long history in
Speaker 4: my view, of supporting terrorist movements. So yes, there is
Speaker 4: a danger in this sort of infiltration of the Palestinian diaspora,
Speaker 4: and as it were, the fact that the Palestinians are
Speaker 4: victims of this crisis. It's an entirely cynical situation. And
Speaker 4: in my view, people don't explain sufficiently the extent to
Speaker 4: which Hammers built themselves militarily inside the Palestinian population so
Speaker 4: that the Palestinians would suffer massively if they were attacked,
Speaker 4: and that's just what's happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the death toll, the suffering of their own people
Speaker 3: is part of their absurd military strategy against Israel. It's
Speaker 3: horrific and it's one of the many reasons why they
Speaker 3: need to be removed as the governing body in Gaza.
Speaker 3: But Sir Richard, I'm intrigued by the comment you just
Speaker 3: made when you said Iran has a very sophisticated intelligence
Speaker 3: and they would be looking to infiltrate, They'd be looking
Speaker 3: for opportunities like this. What do you mean how would
Speaker 3: that work?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 4: The IRGC, which is the Iranian Revolutionary Guard call is
Speaker 4: of it's the primary intelligence organization in Iran.
Speaker 10: Wherever there is.
Speaker 4: An indigenous Iranian community, they will reach into it. Wherever
Speaker 4: there are communities that maybe a sympathizers towards the theocracy
Speaker 4: in Iran, they will be exploiting that situation. And I
Speaker 4: think there's no question that you know, Australia, it may
Speaker 4: seem very distant from the Middle East, you know, is
Speaker 4: to an extent inevitably.
Speaker 10: Involved in this situation.
Speaker 4: So you know, we know, we've seen. I mean, I
Speaker 4: remember when I was chief. This is way back warning
Speaker 4: when Alexander down It was Foreign Minister saying to Alexander, look,
Speaker 4: you know you're not going to avoid this terrorist problem
Speaker 4: because of you know, the composition of the ethnic composition
Speaker 4: of your immigrant communities, and they will be influenced, they
Speaker 4: will be affected, and there will be individuals who will
Speaker 4: get sucked into terrorism. That's just what's happened. And I
Speaker 4: think the risk continues, particularly when the background is like
Speaker 4: the crisis currently in Gaza, which is extreme and you
Speaker 4: know it is going to influence all of our communities
Speaker 4: that are affected by the reverberations of this war and
Speaker 4: this really ghastly conflict.
Speaker 3: Is your advice therefore, that there needs to be even
Speaker 3: more rigorous screening of a country's immigration intake from certain
Speaker 3: parts of the world. So right now the front line
Speaker 3: of a war zone in Gaza where it is controlled
Speaker 3: by a terrorist regime. Are you saying that there should
Speaker 3: be much more rigorous security screening or do you think
Speaker 3: that it's just so difficult to ascertain if there is
Speaker 3: a security risk that perhaps it's better to pause, which
Speaker 3: is what our opposition later has suggested here, to pause immigration.
Speaker 4: Well, I think if I would response for my advice
Speaker 4: would be the same and to pause it.
Speaker 10: But look, on the other hand, Aisier is a.
Speaker 4: Pretty efficient organization that I've been certainly impressed by. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it knows what it's doing. But I would have
Speaker 4: thought that they need to be extremely careful in allowing
Speaker 4: these people in without some sort of security screening, without
Speaker 4: some investigation as to who's coming in, you know what,
Speaker 4: where they are, what they're doing, what their connections are.
Speaker 10: I mean, it just seems to me like very basic issue.
Speaker 4: And I would have thought, given the terrorist problems that
Speaker 4: you've had in Australia, you know, which have been notable
Speaker 4: over that in the last ten to fifty that people
Speaker 4: should be very very careful about this, you know, otherwise
Speaker 4: you're going.
Speaker 10: To important problem which would be difficult.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is why it's been one of the biggest
Speaker 3: political issues, well the biggest political issue of the past
Speaker 3: fortnite here in Australia in our parliament. But just to
Speaker 3: clarify to Richard, at the start of that last answer,
Speaker 3: you said your advice would be to pause.
Speaker 2: It is that right?
Speaker 4: If you're not if you can't trace and you can't
Speaker 4: vet these people before they come in, I would I
Speaker 4: personally would have advised to wait until one is in
Speaker 4: the stronger position to do that. I mean, there's so
Speaker 4: much uncertainty at the moment. But I guess you know
Speaker 4: what the other side of the argument is as a
Speaker 4: humanitarian argument, and you've got to balance those two sides.
Speaker 4: I mean, I come from a security and intelligence background
Speaker 4: and obviously I would put that as a primary issue.
Speaker 4: I put the humanitarian issue second. But then others will
Speaker 4: certainly disagree with me.
Speaker 3: The head of AZEO, the Director General of AZIO, said
Speaker 3: two weeks ago, which is what sparked this entire political
Speaker 3: debate here in Australia. He said that rhetorical support for
Speaker 3: Hermas would not alone be a reason to exclude someone
Speaker 3: from Gaza for getting a visa.
Speaker 2: To enter Australia.
Speaker 3: So he said rhetorical support for Hermas as opposed to
Speaker 3: ideological support, would not prevent someone from getting a visa
Speaker 3: to enter Australia.
Speaker 2: That has sparked a lot.
Speaker 3: Of confusion and concern in the community. What do you
Speaker 3: think of a comment like that, that someone could express
Speaker 3: rhetorical support for a listed terror organization which I mus
Speaker 3: is and still be allowed into a country like Australia.
Speaker 4: Well, it's very hard to make a distinction between rhetorical
Speaker 4: support and something more profound. Look all of us, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the UK. You know, we've been shocked
Speaker 4: by the extent to which there's sort of apparently militant
Speaker 4: rhetorical support on the streets for Hamas during the hurrying prices,
Speaker 4: and it's worrying and concerning. And there's no question that
Speaker 4: amongst that group they're going to be people who I
Speaker 4: think are radicalized.
Speaker 10: That's the danger, you know, radicalized individuals.
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily suggesting that the Iranians or Hamas are
Speaker 4: going to import organized terrorist groups into Australia, but there
Speaker 4: will be low wolves who you know, and I mean
Speaker 4: that's one of the characteristics of recent terrorist attacks. The
Speaker 4: active it is look at this recent stabbing in Germany.
Speaker 4: It is clearly a label for tack killing three people
Speaker 4: in a provincial German city. I mean, that's the sort
Speaker 4: of problem that is being faced and I think inevitably
Speaker 4: Australia isn't going to be immune from that. Why should
Speaker 4: anybody think you're so isolated from that risk? And this
Speaker 4: is a very volatile period politically, very volatile indeed, when
Speaker 4: one is looking at anything to do with the Middle East.
Speaker 3: Well, that incident you mentioned the German music festival again
Speaker 3: that it's been reported that Islamic terror was at least
Speaker 3: the ideology behind that individual.
Speaker 2: It's also been reported that he was seeking or is
Speaker 2: seeking refugee status.
Speaker 3: So you know, do you think of the left are
Speaker 3: blind to some of these issues that they see a
Speaker 3: refugee and they can't believe that that person could be
Speaker 3: influenced or radicalized or driven by ISIS.
Speaker 4: But we've had a stack of examples across Europe where
Speaker 4: individuals supposedly genuine refugees have been radicalized and have reacted,
Speaker 4: you know, in a violent and inexplicable fashion. That's it's
Speaker 4: a high risk at the moment, and I would have
Speaker 4: thought that this is a risk that has to be
Speaker 4: taken account of in protecting, you know, the safety of
Speaker 4: Juan's citizens, and that applies in Australia as well. I
Speaker 4: just think it's a very difficult issue. But I would
Speaker 4: urge caution and I would urge restraint rather than throwing
Speaker 4: through and throwing open the doors and letting anybody in.
Speaker 3: All right, So Richard, thank you so much. It's always
Speaker 3: a pleasure.
Speaker 2: To hear your insights. Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 10: Once again, Cherry, very nice talking with you again the best.
Speaker 2: So that's there.
Speaker 3: A big intervention in the guys of visa debate by
Speaker 3: Sir Richard dear love. Also still coming up on the
Speaker 3: show a bit later our exclusive interview with Elon Levy.
Speaker 3: But right now let's bring in our Monday panel Sky
Speaker 3: News host Steve Price and contributor Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
Speaker 3: Look, let's have a look at the ozas News poll
Speaker 3: today on the two party preferred basis. The major parties
Speaker 3: are neck and neck. The PM's approval ratings have gone
Speaker 3: down and this is now a consistent trend for the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister Steve. These results aren't great for alban Easy.
Speaker 11: No they're certainly not, and they're not great for the
Speaker 11: country either if they are actually reflected during an election,
Speaker 11: because Shari and Joe, as we know, what that pole
Speaker 11: tells us is where probably if things don't change, headed
Speaker 11: for a minority Labor government, where Anthony Albanezi will be
Speaker 11: forced into doing deals with the Teals and with the Greens.
Speaker 11: And we discussed this last week and it just doesn't
Speaker 11: get any better if that happens. Look at the debarkell
Speaker 11: over this gold mine. We're going to be in all
Speaker 11: sorts of trouble. I can remember what it was like
Speaker 11: with Julia Gillard trying to do this and it was
Speaker 11: a mess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was indeed, Joe.
Speaker 3: The newsport did show that the coalition hadn't made in
Speaker 3: roads in convincing voters that they do a better job
Speaker 3: fighting the inflation crisis.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's right, and I think that's very much part
Speaker 12: of Labour's deliberate strategy. It knows that it's not going
Speaker 12: to be covering itself in roses or glory in the
Speaker 12: middle of the cost of living crisis, and that people
Speaker 12: are going to be angry at the government and their
Speaker 12: only hope, I suppose is the thinking that they can
Speaker 12: just make whatever they think of Anthony Alberanezi, they dislike
Speaker 12: Peter Dutton Moore, and I think that's pretty reductive. It's
Speaker 12: not a lot the sort of politics I like to
Speaker 12: be played out, but it's clearly it's clearly working. And also,
Speaker 12: you know, to some extent when you think about you
Speaker 12: know the fact that Coalition is criticizing the Labour's cost
Speaker 12: of living relief. You know, you can define inflation in
Speaker 12: two different ways, obviously, but in terms of the actual
Speaker 12: impact on the hip pocket to voters, Labour's cost of
Speaker 12: living relief is really really important and Peter Dutton and
Speaker 12: Coalish have already been critical of that, and so they're
Speaker 12: actually right. If they're going to cut one hundred million
Speaker 12: bucks worth of relief or savings or wherever it might be,
Speaker 12: then they are going to get Then they are going
Speaker 12: to lead people worse off, even if it's better.
Speaker 1: Off in the long term.
Speaker 2: It had argument to prosecute, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Anthony Alberesi and Chris Bowen are both arguing that
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton's nuclear plan won't work. The OSRA ports that
Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is now arguing the coalition's plan to build
Speaker 3: a small modular nuclear reactor in Wa wouldn't have access
Speaker 3: to enough water to be able to deliver anything close
Speaker 3: to the energy the people of Wa need, Steve, But
Speaker 3: he's then saying that the new clear plan won't produce
Speaker 3: as much power as coal.
Speaker 2: But aren't they against coal?
Speaker 10: They are?
Speaker 11: And am I the only person who said here today
Speaker 11: and watched Anthony Alberanesi and Richard mart standing in front
Speaker 11: of a US nuclear powered submarine telling us how wonderful
Speaker 11: nuclear projects we're going to be at HMAS Sterling in Wa.
Speaker 11: How we were going to work with the American Navy.
Speaker 11: We're going to have nuclear subs in there being serviced
Speaker 11: and repaired and put back out to see. Isn't that
Speaker 11: a little ironic that, on the one hand, Anthony obens,
Speaker 11: you'll fly back to the East Coast tomorrow until everybody, oh, well,
Speaker 11: nuclear is dreadful, it's dangerous, it's expensive, it's not going
Speaker 11: to do what you think it's going to do. But
Speaker 11: you're over there seeing the praises of a nuclear submarine.
Speaker 11: Can we get the story straight for God's sake?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And of course you know I brought you that news
Speaker 3: first about the US submarine on this show a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: But Joe, that is a contradiction.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think certainly a contradiction.
Speaker 12: If labor is running and sadly a couple of them
Speaker 12: have running the line that nuclear is untested or unsafe
Speaker 12: or dangerous or volatile and it can't be trusted, that
Speaker 12: is idiotic. That is not the case now, and those
Speaker 12: people who made those stupid social media posts have since
Speaker 12: been told to.
Speaker 5: Pull their head in and shut up.
Speaker 12: I think the only argument that really matters is the
Speaker 12: economic one. Does the costs of it stack up? And
Speaker 12: can it be delivered in time to meet Australia's targets?
Speaker 12: And one of the reactors that they were talking about
Speaker 12: today I think wasn't.
Speaker 5: Due to come on till twenty fifty.
Speaker 12: Clearly that's going to be a bit of a problem
Speaker 12: when it comes to meeting our twenty thirty five targets now.
Speaker 3: Victorian library staff have been advised to use gendered language
Speaker 3: and to check in with children about their preferred pronouns.
Speaker 3: According to a new guidance toolkit, it'll let a young
Speaker 3: person in particular know that you're safe, accepting and flexible Steve.
Speaker 3: Is this even appropriate to be speaking to children about pronouns?
Speaker 2: What if their parents aren't happy about that?
Speaker 11: Of course it's not appropriate. I mean, this is a
Speaker 11: rainbow toolkit which was released on Friday by the Allen
Speaker 11: Labor government in Victoria, and you're going to have librarians
Speaker 11: hanging lanyards around the necks of five olds to show
Speaker 11: what gender they identify as. I mean, as a parent,
Speaker 11: I would not be sending my child anywhere near one
Speaker 11: of those libraries. I mean, this is just mad, mad stuff.
Speaker 11: It doesn't surprise mean, the sad thing is Joe and Charry.
Speaker 11: This doesn't surprise me. This is what the Allen Labor government.
Speaker 11: You know, it's a harsh left leaning Marxist outfit who
Speaker 11: want to put labels on everybody. I mean, really seriously,
Speaker 11: this is a worry, but it does not surprise.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you know they're saying that it'll
Speaker 3: make the library a safe place, but doesn't it make
Speaker 3: the library an unsafe place.
Speaker 12: I don't know any gender ambiguous five year old who
Speaker 12: thinks the library is an unsafe place. This is absolutely moronic,
Speaker 12: and it's not only moronic, but it's actually harmful and counterproductive.
Speaker 12: At the moment, you've got a campaign on the trans
Speaker 12: people want to actually be recognized and just voted and
Speaker 12: counted in the census.
Speaker 5: What do you think that these sorts of.
Speaker 12: Campaigns actually do to that legitimate grievance, that legitimate Once,
Speaker 12: of course, it makes people think, oh, they're just trying
Speaker 12: to indoctrinate. They're trying to get my kids and get
Speaker 12: them to say that their boys when they're girls, or
Speaker 12: their girls and they're boys, and it gets parents, that
Speaker 12: backs up parents alarm, and it is the most counterproductive, stupid,
Speaker 12: counterintuitive thing that anyone could do. And it's strictly the
Speaker 12: domain of people who need to get some real problems
Speaker 12: and get them.
Speaker 3: Fast, strictly the domain of Victoria, it would seem. We
Speaker 3: feel sorry for you, Steve Price and everyone watching them
Speaker 3: Victorian with the current government. All right, Steve Price, Johood around,
Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
Speaker 2: Now still to come.
Speaker 3: A big exclusive coming up with Alon Levy his message
Speaker 3: of hope after the devastating.
Speaker 2: Murder of six hostages, plus.
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers accuses the RBA of smashing the economy.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that after this quick break. Welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well, the Treasurer is ramping up his rhetoric against the
Speaker 3: Reserve Bank, shifting blame for the faltering economy.
Speaker 13: Have a look, the combination of global economic uncertainty and
Speaker 13: higher interest rates is smashing household budgets and slowing our
Speaker 13: economy considerably.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I'm joined now by Judo Bank Chief Economist Warren Hogan. Warren,
Speaker 3: welcome to the show. Look, these comments come ahead of
Speaker 3: the National account figures that are going to be released
Speaker 3: on Wednesday.
Speaker 2: How bad are you expecting they'll.
Speaker 14: Be, Hi, Sherry, Yeah, Look, they're going to be very soft.
Speaker 14: In fact, we may see no growth at all in
Speaker 14: the economy in the three months to June, and the
Speaker 14: annual rate of growth will be one percent or even
Speaker 14: a bit weaker. And this is the slowest rate of
Speaker 14: real economic growth since the early nineteen nineties recession.
Speaker 5: So this is going.
Speaker 14: To portray an economy with very weak consumer spending, no
Speaker 14: growth in the construction sector outside of infrastructure, and of
Speaker 14: course an inflation pulse that's still persistent and hanging around.
Speaker 3: So a technical recession is two quarters of negative growth,
Speaker 3: and we don't know what the figures are yet. We'll
Speaker 3: see the National account figures on Wednesday, But are you
Speaker 3: expecting this could be the first?
Speaker 1: It could be.
Speaker 14: We had some very weak partial data today for income,
Speaker 14: particularly our non mining profits were soft and mining profits
Speaker 14: were down.
Speaker 10: Quite a lot.
Speaker 14: So there's every chance we could get a small fall,
Speaker 14: but I doubt we'll see it replicated in Q three
Speaker 14: I back to back, and even if we did, it
Speaker 14: would be a technical recession only we're a long way
Speaker 14: away from a real recession, a genuine recession, because we're
Speaker 14: creating so many jobs. There's been three hundred and eighteen
Speaker 14: thousand jobs created in the first seven.
Speaker 3: Months of the year, but clearly with the economy softening,
Speaker 3: a potentially no growth at all, this is the treasure
Speaker 3: trying to frame the argument, trying to look at who
Speaker 3: is to blame here. He clearly sees the thirteen interest
Speaker 3: rate rises that we've had as a reason what he says,
Speaker 3: it's smashing the economy. So do you see this now
Speaker 3: as a rift between the government and the IBA on
Speaker 3: economic strategy or is this more of a political statement
Speaker 3: from the treasurer.
Speaker 14: Look, I think this is definitely political strategy, both in
Speaker 14: terms of this week's numbers and getting ahead of what's
Speaker 14: going to be a lot of headlines on Wednesday about
Speaker 14: soft economy, but I think this is what we can
Speaker 14: expect running right up to the election. They got a
Speaker 14: lot of a lot of benefit out of getting stuck
Speaker 14: into fill Low when he was around, and looks like
Speaker 14: they're about to ramp it up again.
Speaker 1: On Michelle Bullock.
Speaker 14: The reality is we're seeing rates come down overseas and
Speaker 14: we're not going to get rate cuts here. And the
Speaker 14: RBA's orbit said that the government's desperate for a rate cut,
Speaker 14: of course for political reasons, But the risk is we
Speaker 14: get a rate hike still. I mean, we hope not,
Speaker 14: but we have not increased interest rates to a level
Speaker 14: that we can be confident we're going to get rid
Speaker 14: of this cost of living crisis exactly.
Speaker 3: With inflation remaining persistent and sticky, it does seem like
Speaker 3: a rate might be more likely than a rate.
Speaker 2: Cut, certainly for this year at least. Now. This attack,
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 3: Like, from the Treasurer on the RBA comes comes after
Speaker 3: the Governor Michelle Bullock blamed the government of keeping inflation
Speaker 3: sticky by their spending. So in a way do you
Speaker 3: think this is a bit of return fire from the Treasurer.
Speaker 14: Well, look, the governor, or more specifically the senior staff
Speaker 14: and the forecasters at the RBA, the numbers don't lie.
Speaker 14: They've got to stick in there, what's going on in
Speaker 14: this economy. And in the last three months, seeing all
Speaker 14: the state and federal budgets they've had to see, they've
Speaker 14: had to increase their forecast for government spending growth go
Speaker 14: from about two percent to four percent. And of course
Speaker 14: four percent government spending is a lot more than GDP.
Speaker 14: And that's this idea that we're putting demand into an
Speaker 14: economy that can't grow because it's at its full capacity,
Speaker 14: and that's in and so the government will argue the
Speaker 14: economy's week, the RBA should be considering cuts. The RBA
Speaker 14: and economists who are focused on this will say, there's
Speaker 14: a lot of demand in the economy and inflation going anywhere,
Speaker 14: and that's because government spending growth has been so strong.
Speaker 14: And of course we're creating jobs, which is great news,
Speaker 14: but that's new income in the economy and new demand
Speaker 14: in the economy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then of course there's the immigration levels too.
Speaker 3: Warren Hogan, always great to hear your analysis.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now after the break left wing media bias against Israel,
Speaker 3: you won't believe how outrageous it's become. Elon Levy would
Speaker 3: join me for an exclusive interview to discuss.
Speaker 2: Welcome Back.
Speaker 15: Well.
Speaker 3: The news yesterday was heartbreaking that six young hostages were
Speaker 3: executed by Hamas, But where has the outrage been about
Speaker 3: the fact that there are still over one hundred hostages
Speaker 3: being held captive by terrorists internals in Gaza. Here are
Speaker 3: constant calls for an immediate cease fire. There's outright bias
Speaker 3: from most of the left wing media, and it's something
Speaker 3: my next guest faced daily when he worked as Israel's
Speaker 3: government spokesman.
Speaker 16: I was speaking to a hostage negotiator this morning. He
Speaker 16: made the comparison between the fifty host hostages that her
Speaker 16: Mass has promised promised to release, as opposed to the
Speaker 16: one hundred and fifty prisoners that are Palestinians that Israel
Speaker 16: has said that it will release. And he made the
Speaker 16: comparison between the numbers and the fact that does Israel
Speaker 16: not think that Palestinian lives are valued as highly as
Speaker 16: Israeli lives?
Speaker 1: That is an astonishing accusation.
Speaker 15: If we could release one prisoner for every one hostage,
Speaker 15: we would obviously do that. We are operating in horrific circumstances.
Speaker 15: We're not choosing to release these prisoners who have blood
Speaker 15: on their hands.
Speaker 2: Wild and I.
Speaker 3: Spoke exclusively about media bias and more with the highly
Speaker 3: impressive Ailon Levy.
Speaker 2: Allen lev Great to have you with us.
Speaker 1: It's good to be here in Australia now.
Speaker 3: You rose to fame globally because you had the courage
Speaker 3: to take on left leaning media hosts too, are clearly
Speaker 3: misrepresenting Israel's position. This was right at the start of
Speaker 3: the war, right after the October seven attacks.
Speaker 2: What did you think of this media bias that was
Speaker 2: just so blatedt I think.
Speaker 15: It's strategic to see where media bias has led Western
Speaker 15: countries like Australia. Australia understood when hamasda clared this war
Speaker 15: that Israel needs to win. People forget this. Australia was
Speaker 15: gunning for an Israeli victory. The Australian leadership set together
Speaker 15: with Canada and New Zealand. It wants a ceasefire, but
Speaker 15: a ceasefire in which Hamas lays down its arms and
Speaker 15: releases all the hostages. Australia was very clear back in
Speaker 15: December that can be no role for Hamas in the
Speaker 15: future of Gaza. And I think over time we've seen
Speaker 15: media so eager to replicate Hamas figures, accept Hamas claims
Speaker 15: without any screen in a way that has soured and
Speaker 15: poisoned public opinion against Israel and brought us to this
Speaker 15: position where there is immense international pressure on Israel to
Speaker 15: leave Hamas on its feet, where we know that leaving
Speaker 15: Hamas on its feet simply starts the clock ticking towards
Speaker 15: the next war. Because after the October seventh massacre, Hamas
Speaker 15: promised it would do it again and again, and Israel
Speaker 15: vowed that there would be never again. And that's what's
Speaker 15: at stake in this war. And that's why it's so
Speaker 15: important when people consume their media to be really critical
Speaker 15: about the information coming out of Hamas run Gaza, because
Speaker 15: Hamas has a deliberate strategy, a deliberate strategy of trying
Speaker 15: to generate human suffering inside Gaza. It's a six strategy
Speaker 15: to try to generate pressure on Israel to leave it
Speaker 15: on its feet after the war that it started and
Speaker 15: that horrific massacre on October seventh.
Speaker 3: I mean, we hear media outlets and governments around the
Speaker 3: world say Hamas can have no future role in the
Speaker 3: governing of Gaza as you just said. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, more and more they're calling for an immediate ceasefire,
Speaker 3: often an unconditional ceasefire, but an immediate ceasefire. So how
Speaker 3: do they think Hamas is actually going to be removed
Speaker 3: as the governing body if there is an immediate ceasefire.
Speaker 15: I don't know how governments expect Hamas to be removed
Speaker 15: from power unless Israel removes it from power. Australia back
Speaker 15: in December said there must be a ceasefire. It can't
Speaker 15: be unilateral. Hamas must lay down its arms. Hamas then
Speaker 15: ignored the government of Australia continue to fight Israel, continue
Speaker 15: to hold and rape and abuse and starve and torture
Speaker 15: and execute hostages, and Israel said, we have no choice
Speaker 15: but to fight to bring down Hamas and to bring
Speaker 15: back the hostages, because it doesn't care what Australia and.
Speaker 1: Other governments are saying.
Speaker 15: In Israel, we want this war to go away, much
Speaker 15: like the rest of the world, but we understand that
Speaker 15: we don't have a magic wand and cannot make Hamas
Speaker 15: go away. If this war ends with Hamas in power
Speaker 15: and hostages in Gaza. There will be a next time.
Speaker 15: It will be worse, and it will be worse because
Speaker 15: the Hamas army of terror will be convinced that the
Speaker 15: world will save it from the wars that it started.
Speaker 15: And by the way, this isn't just a question about Hamas.
Speaker 15: It's a question about the Iranian regime as well, which
Speaker 15: is attacking Israel through its proxy armies on seven fronts.
Speaker 15: It's a question about Russia and China and other countries
Speaker 15: that are challenging the Western order, and countries like Australia.
Speaker 1: They are looking at.
Speaker 15: The Western world and asking do they have the courage
Speaker 15: of their convictions to stand by their allies and do
Speaker 15: what they need for their security or are they going
Speaker 15: to allow themselves to be manipulated by terrorists propaganda into
Speaker 15: leaving these terrorist armies on their feet after those horrific atrocities.
Speaker 2: Do you think Hamas can be defeated.
Speaker 1: Isis was defeated, it was removed from power.
Speaker 15: People say Hamas is an idea, Well, ISIS is still
Speaker 15: an idea, but look ISIS is trying to pull off
Speaker 15: terror attacks in Austria. It no longer controls territory the
Speaker 15: size of Austria. Hamas is a terrorist regime. It's a
Speaker 15: terrorist regime that spent sixteen years in power since Israel
Speaker 15: withdrew in two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: Deliberately building a network.
Speaker 15: Of tunnels ten times longer the Sydney Metro underneath people's
Speaker 15: homes and schools and hospitals.
Speaker 2: I still billions of dollars in international.
Speaker 15: Aid, exactly, billions of dollars of international aid. And the
Speaker 15: concrete didn't go to people's houses. It went to tunnels
Speaker 15: underneath people's houses. Aid that went through organizations like Honor,
Speaker 15: to which Australia has doubled its commitment and has been
Speaker 15: covering up how Harmas has been stealing aid and allowing
Speaker 15: it to operate from inside its facilities.
Speaker 1: That cannot go on.
Speaker 3: The Abenezy government actually recommitted funding to ANRA without even
Speaker 3: waiting for the official investigation to be.
Speaker 15: Complete, and the official investigation found that at least nine
Speaker 15: members of Honor took part in the October seventh massacre.
Speaker 15: We have hostages who came back from Gaza and say
Speaker 15: that they were held in the homes of HONRA teachers.
Speaker 15: Now the problem goes so much deeper than simply Honor
Speaker 15: of staff members taking part in the October seventh massacre.
Speaker 15: Most of the terrorists who took part in that massacre
Speaker 15: were Honor graduates, graduates of its school system. Most of
Speaker 15: the terrorists who took part in October seventh were recipients
Speaker 15: of Honor AID. It's the fact that Honra gives welfare
Speaker 15: to people in Gaza that gives them the financial security
Speaker 15: they need to focus on terrorism.
Speaker 1: And it's an.
Speaker 15: Organization that lets Hamas fight out of its schools and
Speaker 15: then covers it up.
Speaker 1: That let's have us still aid and covers it up.
Speaker 15: And Australian taxpayers need to understand that funding for HOUNRA
Speaker 15: is a direct subsidy to Hamas's army of terror and
Speaker 15: that money is winding up in the coffers of Hamas.
Speaker 3: I think Australian government should immediately stop funding ANRA.
Speaker 15: I think with the Australian government, and all governments should
Speaker 15: stop funding ANRA. This is an organization that exists not
Speaker 15: to solve our conflict with the Palestinians, but to perpetuate it.
Speaker 1: Because Honor tells.
Speaker 15: The Palestinians to reject the existence of Israel in any
Speaker 15: borders whatsoever. It tells them that Israel is illegitimate, that
Speaker 15: they have a right to resist it.
Speaker 1: And that fuels future conflict.
Speaker 15: And we need to bring this conflict to a close
Speaker 15: and not fuel and finance the Palestinians forever war against
Speaker 15: the State of Israel. And that is exactly what Honor
Speaker 15: is doing with Australian taxpayer money.
Speaker 3: The United Nations has also failed in its various bodies
Speaker 3: to visit any of the hostages who have some of
Speaker 3: them now been October.
Speaker 2: It'll be a year in captivity.
Speaker 3: No visits from any UN agencies, no visits from the
Speaker 3: Red Cross.
Speaker 2: What do you think about this?
Speaker 15: It's worse than the fact that the Red Cross hasn't
Speaker 15: visited the hostages. These UN agencies haven't shown a modicum
Speaker 15: of sympathy for the hostages. There are still two child
Speaker 15: hostages in Gaza, Fear and arilb Bus fair Bibus is
Speaker 15: a baby, he just turned.
Speaker 1: One a few months ago.
Speaker 15: If there were any sympathy, you would expect organizations like
Speaker 15: UNICEF to be pushing out his image.
Speaker 1: Raising global awareness about it. But there's absolute silence.
Speaker 15: I know the hostages families gave up a long time
Speaker 15: ago and trying to prussure the Red Cross to visit
Speaker 15: those families.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we have too.
Speaker 15: Many of these un agencies that are pushing the Palestinian
Speaker 15: narrative and have found themselves completely incapable of showing any
Speaker 15: sympathy for the Israeli victims of the October seventh massacre,
Speaker 15: or indeed the hostages. Let's remember it's been nearly a year.
Speaker 15: There are still one hundred and sex hostages. Around thirty
Speaker 15: five of them we know have been killed executed in
Speaker 15: the Terror dungeons, and the others we fear are being
Speaker 15: starved and tortured and raped and executed. And according to
Speaker 15: recent reports being held around Yehia Sinhoar himself, the leader
Speaker 15: of Hamas, in a horrible tunnel somewhere to be used
Speaker 15: as human shields.
Speaker 3: Literally, the hostage is trying to protect him, and we've
Speaker 3: heard reports that he's trying to say that there'll be
Speaker 3: no return of hostages if.
Speaker 2: He is not alive.
Speaker 3: So he's putting his own personal life front and center,
Speaker 3: while not caring about the Palestinian.
Speaker 15: People want this war to end, and Hamas does not
Speaker 15: want this war to end. Hamas wants this war to continue.
Speaker 15: Because the human suffering inside Gaza is good for it,
Speaker 15: because it's.
Speaker 1: Poisoning public opinion against Israel. That is what Hamas wants now.
Speaker 15: Yehia Sinha, Hamasa's warlord in Gaza, is reportedly demanding personal
Speaker 15: guarantees for his safety. I spoke to a hostage family
Speaker 15: this week. He offer me, what are the guarantees for
Speaker 15: my safety? We want to bring the hostages home, which
Speaker 15: means we want to bring them home so they can
Speaker 15: sleep safely in the beds from which they were abducted
Speaker 15: on October seventh. What are our guarantees that they are
Speaker 15: going to be safe? And they say, we want the
Speaker 15: hostages home. But also the Hamas terror regime can no
Speaker 15: longer be our neighbor, because we know that if we're
Speaker 15: forced to lift next to Hamas, it is only a
Speaker 15: matter of time until it attacks us again and does
Speaker 15: another October seventh, or tries to do it just as
Speaker 15: it has been promising to do every day since that
Speaker 15: day when it committed those awful acts of burning families
Speaker 15: alive and those acts of gangrape.
Speaker 3: You mentioned baby Kafir and his brother Ariel.
Speaker 2: What hope do you have that they are still alive?
Speaker 15: Hamas claims that they are dead, but we don't know
Speaker 15: that for a fact. They released a sick propaganda video,
Speaker 15: by the way, in which they told their father, who
Speaker 15: is also a hostage, that his children had been killed,
Speaker 15: just to watch him break down. And I don't want
Speaker 15: to imagine what horrible mental condition that poor man is in.
Speaker 1: But until we know.
Speaker 15: Otherwise, we have to assume that those two children are alive.
Speaker 15: And right now in a tunnel somewhere in Gaza is
Speaker 15: a baby and his five year older brother and their mother,
Speaker 15: and they are scared for their lives. And little fear
Speaker 15: BBus has been a hostage for longer than he was
Speaker 15: ever free. And how this is not the first thing
Speaker 15: that people think about when they wake up in the
Speaker 15: world right now, Look, you have UNICEF right now talking
Speaker 15: about a polio campaign inside Gaza to vaccinate children. What
Speaker 15: are their plans to vaccinate fear and arilb Bus? Those
Speaker 15: are the two most vulnerable at risk children in Gaza
Speaker 15: right now.
Speaker 1: And that is why Israel doesn't have the luxury of.
Speaker 15: Simply wrapping this up and saying let's pull back and
Speaker 15: let it be. There are one hundred and seven hostages there,
Speaker 15: including two children, and Israel has to keep fighting to
Speaker 15: put pressure on Hamas to let them out. And we
Speaker 15: need pressure from Australia on Hamas and on its backers
Speaker 15: on Cuta, Turkey.
Speaker 1: And Iran to let them go.
Speaker 3: We need you hear more frequent criticism from the Australian
Speaker 3: government from the Albaneze government of Israel, rather than you
Speaker 3: do for them calling for the release of the hostages.
Speaker 3: It's often an afterthought included in commentary rather than the
Speaker 3: main demand from our government.
Speaker 2: Look a big political issue in Australia.
Speaker 3: Over the past few weeks it has been the center
Speaker 3: of debate in our Parliament has been over the Australian
Speaker 3: government issuing nearly three thousand visas to Palestinians coming out
Speaker 3: of Gaza. What would be the concern from your perspective
Speaker 3: of bringing in from a terrorist controlled war zone thousands
Speaker 3: of people, and I should mention they're coming in on
Speaker 3: visitor visas so often without adequate security checks.
Speaker 15: I understand the very noble impulse to want to give
Speaker 15: a safe haven and a refuge for people fleeing a
Speaker 15: war zone, but Australians need to be a word that
Speaker 15: Gaza has a very deep extremism problem. Polls still show
Speaker 15: that a majority of Gazans think that the October seventh
Speaker 15: massacre was the correct decision by their government Hamas, despite
Speaker 15: everything that has happened since. A poll by the Doha
Speaker 15: Institute of Palestinians in the West Bank asked them whether
Speaker 15: they thought the October seventh massacre was legitimate or illegitimate.
Speaker 15: Zero percent said that it was illegitimate. Unfortunately, within Gaza,
Speaker 15: there is widespread support for the barbaric atrocities unleashed on
Speaker 15: Israeli civilians on October seventh, And if Australia does want
Speaker 15: to take in refugees, it has to make sure that
Speaker 15: it has in place a very firm deradicalization program. Two
Speaker 15: impossible if it is possible us to help wean them
Speaker 15: off the radical ideology that they were taught by Hamas
Speaker 15: and by UN schools as well through honer of funding
Speaker 15: that has taught them to despise the state of Israel,
Speaker 15: that has ingrained them with deep anti Semitism, deeply deeply
Speaker 15: ingrained in Gaza. Noble impulse to take in refugees, but
Speaker 15: you cannot simply pretend that the extremism problem and the
Speaker 15: support for jihad in Islamic terrorism doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just.
Speaker 3: Turning a blind eye to all of this and putting
Speaker 3: humanitarian concerns above nowtional security, which is a huge problem.
Speaker 3: Ailon Levy, terrific to have you in Australia. Great to
Speaker 3: meet you in personal and Alon is here with J
Speaker 3: and F Australia and our interview was recorded before the
Speaker 3: news came through about the six hostages shot at close.
Speaker 2: Range by her Mus.
Speaker 3: Now after the break of final word from me about
Speaker 3: how weak Anthony Albinizi is.
Speaker 2: That's in a minute.
Speaker 3: Well to end, let's recap the major news on the
Speaker 3: show tonight that ASIO Director General Mike Burgess has declared
Speaker 3: that support for her Muss or October seven would pose
Speaker 3: a national security threat in Australia. We also learned that
Speaker 3: his view is that people who support a Palestinian state
Speaker 3: would be welcome in the country, but that any extremist
Speaker 3: beliefs or material support for her Mus would be a
Speaker 3: deal breaker. His words a deal breaker. After weeks of confusion,
Speaker 3: this clarifies his position on the Gaza visa issue and
Speaker 3: it now puts the pressure on the Prime Minister to
Speaker 3: come out and say that no Hamas supporters, no terrorst supporters.
Speaker 3: We'll pass the character test for an Australian visa. This
Speaker 3: shouldn't be something difficult to say. Any support for a barbaric,
Speaker 3: brutal terrorist organization has no place in our country and.
Speaker 2: It's a serious national security risk.
Speaker 3: As Sir Richard Dearlove made clear tonight, alban Ezy should
Speaker 3: watch Sir Richard's comments before it's too late, before there's
Speaker 3: a terror attack. Now, if you missed any of this
Speaker 3: coverage on the show, Sir Richard deal Love's interview is
Speaker 3: on our website skynews dot com dot au. So are
Speaker 3: my articles about his interview and Mike Burgess's comments that he.
Speaker 2: Made at a private gathering a few days ago.
Speaker 3: Now that's it for me. I'll see you tomorrow for
Speaker 3: another big show. But right now, here's the man with
Speaker 3: the biggest heart on Australian television and the biggest hugs,
Speaker 3: Paul Murray