1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: This is the Fitsy and Whip Her with Kate Richie podcast. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 2: This is very exciting because we've got Australia's first female 3 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 2: astronaut in the studio. She's also the first person to 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,479 Speaker 2: train as an astronaut under the Australian flag, and she's 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 2: joined Lego Australia. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: In its mission to inspire. 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 2: Kids to unleash their imagination and also explore the limitless 8 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 2: possibilities of space. We're so fascinated by this. Catherine ben 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: On Peg Welcome to the Showy. 10 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Thank you for coming in. 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 3: It's such a pleasure to have you, isn't it. 12 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 4: It's fascinating what you do and what you've achieved at 13 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 4: such a young age. You're not even forty. 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Not even forty close but not there yet. 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: What I love about it and I love the time 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 4: with Lego too, because my kids were there at the 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 4: store yesterday where you spoke very kindly, and you know 18 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 4: Lego has a new space range. It's the fact that 19 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 4: the kids at this early age are dreaming, you know, 20 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 4: they're building the spaceships and they're getting involved and they're 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 4: able to think, imagine if I could do that one 22 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 4: day and now, well you're doing it. 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 24 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: It was absolutely incredible yesterday at the Lego store in 25 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Sydney there were so many kids with you know, stars 26 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: in their eyes, excited that maybe one day they could 27 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: go to space like the Lego groups done research that 28 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: says seven out of ten kids want to be astronauts, 29 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: which is. 30 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Just wow, incredible. 31 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 5: Why do you think? 32 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 3: What is that? 33 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 5: And when was the first moment for you as a 34 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 5: young girl where you thought. 35 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: Maybe I could do that too. What's the appeal? 36 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: I mean, when kids are young, they just have the 37 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: confidence to dream. They haven't you know, felt the need 38 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: to shrink their ambitions and that draw of adventure. Space 39 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: is the ultimate there's a place to explore. So my 40 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: message to a lot of the kids there was, yeah, 41 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, keep dreaming, don't shrink yourself. If you have 42 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a big dream like being an astronaut, absolutely go for it. 43 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 1: It can work out. 44 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: I do you know this fascinates me because we were 45 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: talking about this before. It's not like it's a four 46 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: year apprenticeship. This takes a long time. And what I 47 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: want to know Catherine is are you I compare it 48 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: to like a sporting team, are you waiting to get 49 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: the call up be playing in the senior team. Like 50 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: is this could you go into space tomorrow if you 51 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: got the call? Like how does it work? 52 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? So what I just graduated from was called like 53 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: astronaut basic training and when you graduate, you can call 54 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: yourself an astronaut. There's about one hundred of us around 55 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: the world and it means you're ready to be tapped 56 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: on the shoulder for a mission assignment to the space 57 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: station or even the Moon, which is super exciting. But 58 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: it's the first time that Australia has, you know, back 59 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: to one of its own on this training. We've had 60 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: great Australians before, to you the sporting analogy, playing playing 61 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: for other nations, but this is the first time Australia 62 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: is kind of dipping its toes in this world. And 63 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: if we choose to pursue it, and even in the training, 64 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: you know, you get the whole ecosystem around it. For 65 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: the sports, you know, it's the coaches, the refs, the doctors, 66 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the home games. For being an astronaut, it's the engineers, 67 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: the scientist, the education program that can come with us amazing. 68 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: For the worst, so hard you have works. 69 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: You know, I look at is it Apollo thirteen where 70 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 4: they had to remake the parts on board to create 71 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: oxygen within the space And I could have that completely wrong. 72 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 4: But as an end I think. 73 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: You were our space expert A sang. 74 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 6: I saw the movie He's Space as an engineer, though, 75 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 6: the pressure to understand the parts of a rocket in 76 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 6: a sense if required when you're up there too is 77 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 6: a hell of a lot of pressure. 78 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 3: Oh but it's my happy place. 79 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: I love learning about all the things in space, what 80 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: could need to be fixed and so on. Like I 81 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: spent my career developing satellites, space capsules, space stations, so 82 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: that part of my training, yeah, was very much in 83 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: my comfort zone. 84 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: But there are a lot of parts where I was stretched. 85 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Out of my comfort zone. Like we had to learn 86 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: Russian in eight intense weeks. We did a lot of humanities, 87 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: space strategies, space economics where we learned about science. We 88 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: did expeditions like Winter Survival, Ocean survival. We went scuba 89 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: v around like full space station mock ups to learn 90 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to do space walks and zero G planes, centrifissures. 91 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: It was really incredible, Catherine, can I this is how 92 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: far you know more about this? 93 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: But how far. 94 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 2: Away are we as an everyday person going into space? 95 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: In space travel just something that we could do overnight 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: or over a few days or a week or whatever, 97 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: And then how far away are we from Mars? 98 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: I mean, to be a professional astronaut is usually the 99 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: cherry on the top of a STEM career, any stem career. 100 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: You can be a scientist, an engineer, a doctor, a 101 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 1: pilot for example, and then once you've got some experience 102 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: in that, plus other things like expeditionary skills like you've 103 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: been in the military or things like that, you can 104 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: apply to be an astronaut. Then it was a year 105 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: and a half for me of a selection process, and 106 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: then just over a year for the basic training, and 107 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: then if they get picked for a mission, it's somewhere 108 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: between six months and two years before you go up 109 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: of extra training unless you've got a spare a few 110 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: tens of millions in shore. 111 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: Ye, but it's not a holiday destination. 112 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: An now you're going up there to work and do 113 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: good science. 114 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: One way they talk about that one way to Mars 115 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 4: is that realistic? I mean there's people that put their 116 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: name down saying I'll be on that trip. 117 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's humanity is planning to go back 118 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: to Mars in the next decades. There's a number of 119 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: technological hurdles that still have to be overcome, a main 120 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: one being the ability to get back, because you have 121 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: to launch off the surface of Mars on a rocket. 122 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: So that's one reason why some private ventures have looked 123 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: at the one way. But I think you know, for me, 124 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: I would want to come back. Should I be going 125 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: to Mars? 126 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: Definitely? 127 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 4: Okay, can we hear one of the most basic questions 128 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 4: extraterrestrial life? My kids want to know your thoughts on this. 129 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: I don't believe we've been visited by intelligent extraterrestrial life. 130 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: I've seen no evidence of that. However, I think life 131 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: has got to be out there. The universe is huge. 132 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: There's something like a billion trillion stuff out there. We've 133 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: been looking at stars in our local galaxy through space telescopes, 134 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: and so many of the stars have planets, and the 135 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: most abundant molecules and chemicals out there are the things 136 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: that make up life. So I think life has to 137 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: be out there just from a numbers perspective. 138 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 5: No, No, I actually just want to ask you because 139 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 5: you spoke about not shrinking yourself, and I would imagine 140 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 5: you have worked, You've worked so hard, and there would 141 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 5: have been a fork in the road at some point. 142 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 5: And does Catherine kind of end up here, as you know, 143 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 5: having done all this work and could be the first 144 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 5: Australian woman in space. But was there a moment where 145 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 5: you thought, this is this is so hard, It's why 146 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 5: would it be me out of all of the people, 147 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 5: And maybe I'll just go and do something else. 148 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, if you want to be an astronaut, 149 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: the main thing that you need to do is pick 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: a career you love anyway, because the fallback options are 151 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: so wonderful. So I was loving my career as a 152 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: space engineer and doing lots of hobbies like scuba diving 153 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: and flying and things like that. So yeah, when I 154 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: got to apply to be an astronaut, I was thrilled 155 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: just to be able to apply. And every stage I 156 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: got through was you know, the champagne popping. I hadn't 157 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: expected it, So everything was a bonus because I picked 158 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: a path that I loved anyway. 159 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 4: Fits do you want to ask the question you brought 160 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 4: up yesterday? 161 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: Question No? 162 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: I might question no, no number one question for me now? 163 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask that question. What's the greatest 164 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 2: what's the greatest space movie of all time? In your life? 165 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: There's so many good ones, quite like Apollo thirteen, it 166 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: was like the team element there is huge, like an astronaut, 167 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: being an astronaut a team sport. You're just the visible 168 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: tip of an iceberg of a huge team on the 169 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: ground and we're taught to deal with like any kind 170 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: of emergency you can imagine, and also the ones that 171 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: you can't imagine, like how you deal with that, and 172 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: that's what they do in that movie. 173 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: How realistic is Star Wars? 174 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: We will see final well. 175 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: Here all morning. 176 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 3: Question? 177 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 5: No, it was you must watch these movies about space 178 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 5: and you're the expert here. This is rubbish, rubbish, this 179 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 5: is not how you know a lot of the time. 180 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's kind of fun. Like I'm really annoying 181 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: to watch a space movie with, especially after Ust' not training, 182 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: because I'm armed with more information to pick them apart. Yeah, 183 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: but it's really fun. And like I think, like space 184 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: movies and things like that are really important because it 185 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: helps you to put space in its context and imagine 186 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: what's out there. Because while space is all around us. 187 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty abstracted sure in a way too. 188 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 4: So how do you go to the toilet? 189 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, every single interview I've had in the last 190 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: days is asking me about the toilet, and I'm so 191 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: happy I'm qualified to do the PlayStation toilet. I've done 192 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: the lesson to prepare me. Well basically, yeah, so up there, 193 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: like number ones and number two's are separate systems. You're 194 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: in a cubicle and like you recycle the urine, so 195 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: like yesterday's coffee is tomorrow's coffee. But the pools it's 196 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: kind of like pueing into a nappy bin, like with 197 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 1: a plastic bag and you have like a poostick deal 198 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: with that which has gone missing before. But yeah, they 199 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: become shooting. 200 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 3: Stars doing as well. 201 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 5: So it's like a game. 202 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 3: It's fun. Well, once you've mastered it. 203 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: The first few times you use it, it's recommended you 204 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: are don't bring your clothes in with you because if 205 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: you make a mistake, you've got a float of shame 206 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: back through the space station to get new gear. 207 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 4: Floats of shame. 208 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: I love you, We've got a float. It goes out 209 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 3: into songs Star number twos. 210 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: Eventually do they get loaded into the cargo vehicles and 211 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: get burnt up in the atmosphere. So if you're seeing 212 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 1: a beautiful shooting star, it might not be yours as 213 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: beautiful as you think. It might be a good day because. 214 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: It would be harder for a girl to go do 215 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 4: a way than a boy. 216 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Well, they've got different attachments, so it's kind of like 217 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: a fun situation. 218 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we've got it. 219 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: But you just think about how do they test those 220 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: things to be developed. You've got to go up on 221 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: parabolic flights and have test subjects doing twenty two second verse. Oh, 222 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: it's like being inside an airliner with the seats removed 223 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: and it flies kind of a parabola, and if it 224 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: twenty two seconds at a time, you're in witlessness. 225 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: It's kind of like skydiving inside. 226 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: Oh my god, awesome. 227 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: And that's how they shvel up the toilet. 228 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 4: Have you done that? 229 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a few times. It's incredible. It's how you learn 230 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: how to work a bit in microgravity. Things like CPR. 231 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: You do a handstand on the person and the feet 232 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: and the roof. If you use a drill and you 233 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: don't brace yourself, you spin, and it's part of the 234 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: space work. Training. 235 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff. I love it. 236 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: Well, I've got to go and do a float of shame. 237 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: This is fascinating. Thank you so much for spending some 238 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 2: time with us this morning. 239 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. Great to be here Banks. 240 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 4: Kevin Sits in Whipper with Kate Ritchie is a Nova 241 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 4: podcast walk great shows like this. Download the Nova player, 242 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 4: find the app store or Google playing the player