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Speaker 1: Kiday, Thanks for being a part of the show.

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Speaker 2: Danny Minogue is here today. Now you might think you

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Speaker 2: know Danny Minogue, but I'm here to tell you on

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Speaker 2: this episode today you are going to meet a side

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Speaker 2: of this incredibly different woman that you've never heard before.

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Speaker 2: We are going to discuss, among other things, how she

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Speaker 2: became possibly the most influential person in my professional life.

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Speaker 2: There's no exaggeration to say that I pretty much model

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Speaker 2: my attitude about my work, the way I approached my

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Speaker 2: work directly off what I have seen her.

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Speaker 1: Do and gone that is a way to go through life.

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Speaker 1: I want to do do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get to where she is, but god

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Speaker 2: damn it, I'm not going to stop trying. We're going

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Speaker 2: to get to Danny in just a moment. First up,

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Speaker 2: we're going to play some mats.

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Speaker 3: When I did the KMA label, as I said, it

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Speaker 3: was like the biggest label. The bank checks were insane.

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Speaker 3: And then I moving overseas at nineteen and I walked

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Speaker 3: without me. And I literally walked away. My dad was

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Speaker 4: Like are you sure about this decision? And that's how

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Speaker 4: I've always run.

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Speaker 3: It's not about the money, coming out of a two

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Speaker 3: year lockdown in Melbourne, not having been at a big

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Speaker 4: It was frightening.

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Speaker 3: So I had weeks of working out in my head,

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Speaker 3: visualizing what it was going to be, like what the

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Speaker 3: outcome was going to be, and working towards that and

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Speaker 3: not letting any other you haven't done this for a while,

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Speaker 3: then I think that helped me unlock the anxiety about

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Speaker 3: the crowds not long after. I don't want to be

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Speaker 3: coming home and not knowing and being across like what

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Speaker 3: he's doing, the school stuff, the basketball, the friendship, cir

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Speaker 3: cool Nigelistico could fly in on a paper plane, fold

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Speaker 3: out of the biggest bank check you've ever seen, and

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Speaker 3: it still wouldn't be enough to buy the five minutes

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Speaker 3: in the car when you're helping him process something that

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Speaker 3: was difficult, but will then actually set a line of.

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Speaker 2: Code in for his baby for the rest of his

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Speaker 2: life that you can never ever have that moment again.

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Speaker 2: I'm grateful to be a generation of fathers that know

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Speaker 2: this and people understand when you want to have boundaries

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Speaker 1: But previously, what do.

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Speaker 4: You Obviously nobody did.

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Speaker 2: That is the extraordinary Danny Minogue and this is better

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Speaker 2: than yesterday, making it better every episode since twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: My name is Osha Ginsburg. I am a podcaster. I

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Speaker 2: am a best selling author. I am someone who's writing

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Speaker 2: a second book right now, hopefully it'll be a best

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Speaker 2: seller as well. I'm a person who's very sad because

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Speaker 2: his sworn is not working right now. And I'm a

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Speaker 2: man who made the noises of a dying worlder beast

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Speaker 2: But I'm glad you're here. Thanks for being a part

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Speaker 2: of it. On Friday, we normally do a podcast on Fridays,

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Speaker 2: I'm putting those essays over there on substack. You can

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Speaker 2: find that Ohiginsburg dot substack dot com. You can leave

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Speaker 2: a question for Monday's show, you can get in touch,

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Speaker 2: and you can support us here at the show. If

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Speaker 2: I did too until I worked with her for the

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Speaker 2: very first time. It was two thousand and nine. I

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Speaker 2: The way she showed up to the gig changed the

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Speaker 2: way that I approach my work. You don't accidentally stay

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Speaker 2: all right. She does it deliberately, and she's deliberately approaching

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Speaker 2: That was extraordinary because I once again got to witness

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Speaker 2: Every single time she was on camera, she absolutely delivered.

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Speaker 2: Whenever we were off camera, she would absolutely refuse to

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Speaker 2: Or I can't believe working in this late, or I

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Speaker 2: can't believe that the potatoes or cold or whatever never

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Speaker 2: picture of this magnificent woman. I have learned so much

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Speaker 1: Her about what it is to show up, what it

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Speaker 2: In this business, what it is to be in business,

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Speaker 2: how one can stay afloat in times of uncertainty, how

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Speaker 2: one can stay focused in times of plenty. When she

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Speaker 2: so excited because what I admire about her is not

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Speaker 2: Vision, and her impenetrable commitment to executing that vision while

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Speaker 2: I adore her to no end. Enjoy this wonderful chat

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Speaker 2: with Danny Minoak. Thank you for doing this, It's a

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Speaker 3: Thank you so good to see you again. It feels

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Speaker 3: like forever, and we have talked about this for a

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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: I ould wait forever to have this conversation with you because

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Speaker 2: the thing that people might not realize about you is

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Speaker 2: the very deliberate nature of your success. And it's something

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Speaker 2: That was a wild time.

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Speaker 2: Swung into a chaotic radio station situation in Sydney in

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Speaker 3: And I thought breakfast radio, like I love the adrenaline,

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Speaker 4: It would kill me, Like you have to be so

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Speaker 3: On a different level that my body was saying no,

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Speaker 1: But I remember that day.

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Speaker 2: That it was just after the single Lady's video had

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Speaker 3: In my mind, it wasn't that way, but a few

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Speaker 1: And it's extremely it's unbelievable, and I don't think enough

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Speaker 3: It, but I love the best thing is to be

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Speaker 4: You get used to it.

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Speaker 1: You were doing it. It's such a complete elite level.

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Speaker 2: At the age of ten, I always watch Countdown, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: rather than watching the kids sing the songs. I like

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Speaker 2: to see the other people singing songs. But other kids

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Speaker 4: Stuff that people secretly watched it. We used to love it.

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Speaker 3: When people come up and say we hate young Talent time,

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Speaker 3: especially when you wore the stretchy belt and you sang

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Speaker 3: that's what you do when you hate something.

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Speaker 2: What were the work weeks, Like, were you working a

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Speaker 3: You would get the songs a week before. Wow, Monday

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was convinced nothing was going to happen

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00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 3: past young talent time because you had to leave at sixteen.

448
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 4: So it's like you last.

449
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: A K pop band, I know.

450
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 4: And then.

451
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 3: Because the show ran for seventeen years, the numbers tell

452
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 3: you not a lot of them were on to work

453
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: in front of the camera. A lots did behind the scenes,

454
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 3: but not a lot of them ended up doing that.

455
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 3: And I was very well aware of my talent level

456
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I am not a Debora Burn I'm not.

457
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 3: You know, there were stars that were incredible performers.

458
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not that.

459
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 3: I think I had a cute smile and some energy

460
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 3: about me that they liked and they wanted to be

461
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: part of the show. And there's only so long you

462
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: last on cute, and any kid knows after sixteen, cute's

463
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: well gone. Like you cannot you know, be making coin

464
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 3: off that anymore. So I was, you know, happy with

465
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 3: the fact that I got to do as much as

466
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 3: I could.

467
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 4: I'm like, nothing's going to happen now.

468
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 3: So I was just I was shocked when things did

469
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: start to happen after that, and I'm like, okay, well,

470
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 3: now is the time where you've got to somehow be

471
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: brave and say, well, even if I'm ranking myself and

472
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 3: the talent's not there, what can you do? And it's

473
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,479
Speaker 3: kind of I didn't know back then, but like, what

474
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 3: are your special powers? I always talk to people about now.

475
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 4: It could be you're the people person, or.

476
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: You're incredibly single focused, or your brain works better, or

477
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 3: your body works better. But just when you click in

478
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 3: with what your kind of secret power is, then you

479
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 3: get in that slipstream and things start to travel so

480
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 3: things started to travel for me quickly. And as I

481
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: was figuring it out, I was being off of jobs

482
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 3: that gave me that opportunity as well, and I was

483
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: just like, people would kill for this. So I've got

484
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: the opportunity, even if I'm not feeling confident, just grab

485
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: it and do it, because it's the most exact, hiding

486
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: thing that's ever going to happen to you.

487
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 2: I remember seeing you live on stage. I was fourteen,

488
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: and it was at the World Expo stage in Brisbane

489
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 2: and there were yah, I'm talking it was probably and

490
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 2: twelve thousand people there.

491
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 3: It wasn't as tall then, but I was taller because

492
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 3: my fringe was about five feet high.

493
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: Right, it was I've very I knew, I can tell

494
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: you exactly what you're wearing, and I'll never forget the

495
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: way you commanded the stage, and.

496
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: I just remember looking at you, going, what where? How

497
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: do you do that?

498
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 4: You know you're you're.

499
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 2: Only two and a bit years older than I am,

500
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: so I knew that you were sixteen.

501
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: I was fourteen. I'm looking like, wow, does she know what?

502
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: What kind of what is happening here?

503
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 2: But even then you had already begun to diversify it.

504
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,679
Speaker 2: So at what point does it show up in you?

505
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 4: Is it?

506
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: Maybe it's a part of like I might not be

507
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: this and this and this, but I am this, So

508
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 2: how else can I make this thing better? And you

509
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 2: had to you had to range at target like you

510
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: were clock fifteen or sixteen or something.

511
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: So it's you know the old saying about it takes

512
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: you at least ten years to be an overnight success.

513
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: So when I went into young talent time, I would

514
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: hang out in the wardrobe room and I would beg them,

515
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 3: please let me come up with the creation and can

516
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: you help me make it? So I was making costumes

517
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 3: and I was getting fan mail.

518
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: Shinger or faff the overlocker, which.

519
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: Oh no, it was Janomi and singers were well gone,

520
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: so I would do that. I would get fan mail,

521
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: read the fan mail and they're like, we love this outfit.

522
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: Where did you get it from? And so that was

523
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 3: just a running theme. So it's like not that I

524
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 3: was like, oh, how can I diversify it was I

525
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: was getting the practice, I was learning the skills, and

526
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: then there was a demand from it. Then came up,

527
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 3: came in. I had my first range at seventeen. It

528
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 3: was supposed to be like, just put your name on

529
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 3: it and be done with it. And I was like, no,

530
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 3: I want to be in every meeting and I want

531
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 3: to have a say.

532
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: And how do you.

533
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 2: Like, you're seventeen, how do you even we're talking nineteen

534
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: eighty seven, six eight.

535
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 4: That was like free college.

536
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, wow, I get to be in the room.

537
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: I get to learn all of this stuff. It's fast track.

538
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 3: And I love being thrown in the deep end and

539
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: having to learn. And the best thing you can do

540
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: is just ask questions. You go, what does that mean?

541
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 4: Do you know? What are these spreadsheets? And how does

542
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 4: it work?

543
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: And then I started to throw in ideas to them,

544
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: like let's do this, let's do that, and I'd have

545
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: a board table full of adults saying no, we can't

546
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: do that, and I'm like, you really should, because this

547
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 3: is for young people, and I'm the young person here

548
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: at this table. And so I remember the first time

549
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: they took a shot on me and I was like,

550
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 3: bicycle shorts at the thing. And I bought them pictures

551
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 3: of motocross and I'm like, it's based off that, but

552
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 3: let's do bicycle shorts. They're like, Nut's never going to work.

553
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: It was our biggest flying product and they were like.

554
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 4: Next meeting, So what were you thinking here?

555
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 3: And you know, when you have that genuine passion for

556
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: something and you genuinely involved, you're not throwing a name

557
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: at something and walking away.

558
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: People know and people feel it.

559
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 3: And there's so many brands now that are fantastic where

560
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: the celebrity is like it's really a passion and those

561
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: one stick.

562
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: When I just can't get my head around at seventeen

563
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: you are now this is you know, before the fact

564
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: fracturing of the market.

565
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: And I know I said Target before, but that was

566
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: that was it all came out. That was it.

567
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: Maybe big W if you live in leftgo, but that's

568
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: about it. As far as big kind of that tear

569
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: clothing retailer, there was no you know, iconic, these things.

570
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 4: Didn't exist it where you got n Yeah, there was nothing.

571
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Nothing went with nothing because there was no Suzanne. That

572
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: was it. There was Yeah, there was no other places.

573
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: So these are massive companies basically making heaps money because

574
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: they're the only place you could buy clothes. Yet you've

575
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: got you you can back yourself enough to go No, no, no,

576
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: I need to be in that meeting.

577
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: I was the best selling label within the whole store.

578
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: How do you even get to be seventeen and go,

579
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: I know I deserve a seat at that table, even

580
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: though I've never sold an out of my clothing in

581
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: my life. What's going on inside you that says I

582
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: need to be in there.

583
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: It's like what you see with music now. If you

584
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: have a record company telling an artist to be a

585
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: certain way and it doesn't work, guess why. There's a

586
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 3: reason why it doesn't work. It's not coming from them.

587
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: It's not authentic. You see people like Robin leave her

588
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: record company and say these are the songs I've always

589
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: wanted to sing and then boh, she's this international success.

590
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 2: Right.

591
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: You see Chapel Rowan say I don't know if anyone

592
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: will like this, but this is who I am and

593
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do. Boom, It's like

594
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: it's huge. So it's just like using your instincts. And

595
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: you know, some of these young artists it's the first

596
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: time they've made an album.

597
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 4: How do they know.

598
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 3: What's the best record cover or how do you know

599
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: what the video should be? Because it's instinct right and

600
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 3: trusting your creativity, right.

601
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: But something and he is like, if my name is

602
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: going to be on this, it has to be from

603
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: me to do it.

604
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

605
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, right.

606
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: So going to this, you know, being involved in the

607
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 2: creation all that and seeing the success of all that.

608
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: What was it like to have something that wasn't performing

609
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: start to become a real possibility of pathway for you?

610
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 4: It was wild. Like my dad was an accountant.

611
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: I remember him like saying to me, He's like, the

612
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 3: numbers are going up.

613
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: This is like this is a huge career.

614
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

615
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 3: And so it was kind of something that again like

616
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 3: young talent time, because I was drilled in everything has

617
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: an end date. I was like, that's awesome, but it

618
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: probably won't last that long. And over the years, there's

619
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: been a lot of celebrity.

620
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: Brands ca Go, Calm Go, but.

621
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: There are very few that you know, really stick at

622
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 3: something for a long time. So it's more often different

623
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 3: situations over the years, but it's always been then you

624
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: know how serious I am about my fashion with being

625
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: a judge on a show, I need to step into them.

626
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: You texted me is a certain way.

627
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: He texted me saying, what does the room look like

628
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: that we're going to do the podcast in I want

629
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: to put an outfit together. Yeah, you are maybe the

630
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: seven hundredth guests I've had on this show and the

631
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: only person who have ever asked that question.

632
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 4: You know me, it's not about vanity.

633
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 3: It's about the respect and trying to create something that

634
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: is special. And obviously I get lots of messages from

635
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: people something that you did and you're wearing this costume

636
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: and it's imprinted in their minds, so you know that special.

637
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 3: Like I remember being the young girl watching Abba going ah,

638
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: those jumpsuits, the microphone at that angle, and then you've

639
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: seen Kylie and.

640
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: I do it.

641
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: You know, years later we pose because that's like we

642
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 3: just admired them so much so so growing up, for me,

643
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: the big thing in my mind was living Newton John

644
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: and Greece and the costumes and the songs, and then

645
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: Abba with the costumes and songs. And for me, they marry,

646
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: they go together, they have to. You know, my brother

647
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: was listening to Kiss It's like, what is that without

648
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 3: the costumes? It's the costumes and the songs. But even

649
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: if you want to do grunge, that that's a costume. No,

650
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: So it's I think it's really important to what you do.

651
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: Even and I see you like when you're doing the

652
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: hosting and it's like a suit. But some suits are

653
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: different to others. And this is more playful and this

654
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: is more serious, and it even you know your voice

655
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: has got to change, but you know when you step

656
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: into that suit, this is fun, Osha, this is serious.

657
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: Whenever I get to work with you, the moment that

658
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: it's the tally light goes on and it's your bit,

659
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: it's like there it is every time, like fucking clockwork,

660
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: and I love it.

661
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: I just when I see that red on air light

662
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: up and you feel it in the room. But one

663
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: thing I do know is that you bring it in

664
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: the room. And that's what you and I have in common.

665
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: We rock up ready to bring it in the room.

666
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: We're very well aware of everyone else's energies and we

667
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: try if we can to lift and shape and we

668
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: can shape shift it. And that's like, that's so much fun.

669
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: When I did theater in London, it was a big

670
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: learning curve for me, and I remember them saying, you know,

671
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: you come off and you be like the audience would

672
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 3: bit quiet today, And I said, never a bad audience,

673
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: only a bad show, and.

674
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 4: That stuck with me.

675
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 3: That's the audience vibe off you. You got to bring it,

676
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: and so I always then use that everything I did

677
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: since then, and then you got to see a lot

678
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: of that.

679
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: It's like bring it in.

680
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 3: The room and you knew the few times you saw

681
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 3: me where you're like my eyes went there, something was

682
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: going on because I love bringing it. I love that energy,

683
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 3: even if I have to get home and then I'm

684
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 3: like passing out small days man, And then when you

685
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: add on the girly two hours of hair and makeup

686
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: and then the lashes, the weave. Half an hour to

687
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 3: get all the makeup off. Yeah, it's like you're going

688
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 3: into with the adrenaline, come down a twenty hour day

689
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: and sometimes for five hour turnaround before you have to

690
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: go back and do the two hour hair and makeup.

691
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, you have to love it, and you

692
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: have to love all of that process of getting ready,

693
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: like I try and make it enjoyable.

694
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 4: I bring music backstage.

695
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: I've got essential oils, you know, my little disco lights

696
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: and vibe.

697
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: Don't you worry, Like there is backstage vibe. That is

698
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: all a part of I do a dance.

699
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: My beauty are trying to slut drop. I'm like, you

700
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: got it.

701
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: To stay flexible enough to do a slut drip?

702
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 2: Is going to put that on the list of things

703
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 2: to do when you are though and in the.

704
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: Room and bear in mind.

705
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: But you and I have made television during a pandemic

706
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: where we literally had stuffed animals instead of audience.

707
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: That was difficult.

708
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: So I guess for me and what we tried to

709
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: do is the reframe was like, well, if we could

710
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: make the crew laugh, if we can get a physical

711
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 2: reaction out of people standing behind cameras, then we know

712
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: where we're doing something. What do you Because ultimately it's

713
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: all about connection. That's all humans want is to connect

714
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: with another person. That's why you show the respect of

715
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: like I'm going to wear something great, I'm going to

716
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: bring the moment because that says.

717
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: What I'm here. It is my job, which is I

718
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: love so much about you.

719
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 2: What do you get out of that interaction with the audience,

720
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: that moment that you make together.

721
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: I just love it.

722
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: But I can also picture the audience at home. For me,

723
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: if someone looks at a camera lens, they might just

724
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 3: see a bit of equipment, and I see through that

725
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 3: and I'm like, it's the emotion of the people at home,

726
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: So the reaction in the room, it's helpful, but you've

727
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: got to be able to do it with nothing in

728
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: the room and mean it and do it with the

729
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: right intention. And you can because you can visualize it

730
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: and play it out and do.

731
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: It as people at home on the couch and the

732
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: kind of shows that you've been working on, like Clinly

733
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,280
Speaker 2: Big entertainment shows, this family stuff.

734
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 3: I think it's harder to picture them if you don't

735
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 3: hear from them or know them. But like, that was

736
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 3: the valuable thing I had in young talent time, was

737
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 3: reading the letters and then when we went out and

738
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: did the live shows meeting people. Today it's social media.

739
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: What are my fans saying or.

740
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: The people who hate me? Whatever, it's that knowing.

741
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 3: So you take those people in your head when you

742
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: perform and you're like, that's they're the people out there,

743
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 3: even if it's the people who are like you suck

744
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, I'm going to show you.

745
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: Is it the same authenticity that you wanted to bring

746
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: to the clothing stuff that came out is the same. Note,

747
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: this is I am as me as I possibly can

748
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: be in this moment of showbus. Yes there's fireworks and

749
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: yes there's a song going on whatever, but I am

750
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: being as authentically me communicating that down a camera lens

751
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: to you watching however you are.

752
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

753
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: And when I did the Kmart label, as I said,

754
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: it was like the biggest label. The bank checks were insane.

755
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: And then I was moving overseas nineteen and I walked

756
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: away from it. I said, I'm leaving the labels, not

757
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: running anymore. And they're like, we can run it while

758
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: you're not here, and I'm like, no, it doesn't run

759
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 3: without me, and I literally walked away. My dad was

760
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: having a heart attacks.

761
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 4: Like are you sure about this decision?

762
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 3: And that's how I've always run. It's not about the money.

763
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: Being able to walk away from something that big at nineteen,

764
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: which is I can.

765
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: I started to do it.

766
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: I started to do it, but I was in my

767
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 2: forties by the start. Yeah, deliberately, and well, what's going on?

768
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: Is it the confidence that I'll figure it out the

769
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 2: next thing, or knowing this is where I want to go.

770
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Just to knowing this and this is helpful for anyone

771
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: in life. The nose are as important, if not more important.

772
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 3: Than the yes is. And you've got to be where

773
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: you're in with people, in a place doing things that

774
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: make you vibe and feel happy, because if you do,

775
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 3: you get in that slipstream. And it was not going

776
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 3: to bring me any joy being on the other side

777
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: of the world and not being there that was my baby,

778
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: So I didn't have the confidence that it was going

779
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 3: to happen again. But again I was just like, that

780
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: was so incredible to have had that experience, and I'll

781
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: probably use that, you know, maybe in helping craft my

782
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 3: on stage costumes or whatever.

783
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 4: Like it was.

784
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 3: I just love learning new stuff, so it's like, maybe

785
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: something else is in my path that's something new to learn,

786
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: But I won't know. Like, there's only so much space

787
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: you have in each day. It's sony much. So much

788
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: you're going to do in one life and then we depart.

789
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: So what are you going to choose to do?

790
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like how do you even begin to

791
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: answer that question?

792
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 3: You choose the things that give you that full body

793
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 3: joy feeling.

794
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 4: Like whenever I'm like should I do this job? Should

795
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 4: you know?

796
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 3: If I'm like on paper and I'm like step away

797
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: from what's on paper When you think about it, and

798
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 3: you do that mental Let's pretend I'm on set or

799
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: I'm in this music video or whatever.

800
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: Am I happy.

801
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: Because that's the person I'm making this decision for that

802
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: person in the future.

803
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Ah.

804
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 3: And if I just think, no, I can't see myself

805
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 3: being happy. I don't know what else is out there.

806
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 3: Like it's definitely I have that entertainment thing like I'm

807
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 3: on a tightrope. I don't know what's next, and I'll

808
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: probably fall off, But this is where I love being, Like,

809
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 3: this is all I know. That's all I know.

810
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: I left school at sixteen. I don't know anything else.

811
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: How to do anything else.

812
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: This is beare with.

813
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 3: I'm learning, and you know, I'll walk into scenarios where

814
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 3: I'm like literally the person learning as we go along.

815
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: But and you've proven it by being in boardrooms that

816
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 2: are making big, big money decisions about their end of

817
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: year financials.

818
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: Yes or no bike pants. That's a big to make.

819
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: So just because leaving school at sixteen, I didn't do

820
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: very well in high school, but the messaging I got

821
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: at school was like, if you don't get through to

822
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: this well, then the rest of your life is cooked.

823
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: That actually isn't precisely true. You do need to have

824
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 2: an amount of literacy, but other than that, if you're

825
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: smart and you're curious, you can do pretty much most stuff.

826
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's street smart, which is one thing. There's books smart,

827
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: and there's intuition. And intuition is what I rely on

828
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 3: the most. Street smart you have to gain that knowledge.

829
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 3: You have to be in scenarios to then learn. Don't

830
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 3: do that because that it's not going to end up

831
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: end up well. Same as you have to open a book,

832
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: you have to read it to know what's in it.

833
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 4: Intuition is with your.

834
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Regardless when I'm not above it, because I've certainly done it.

835
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: But you walk away from and you mentioned bank checks,

836
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 2: which is funny because you know I remember holding one,

837
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: like this piece of paper.

838
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: If I lose this piece of paper, that's it. They

839
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 1: can't replace this. Now it's just a click a button

840
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: on the laptop. And then that said, it's gone. I've

841
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:04,359
Speaker 1: taken gigs for.

842
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: Money, and I know how I feel inside when I

843
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: take a gig for money. I try to be used

844
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: the thing as I can, and I try to deliver,

845
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, I'm like, man,

846
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: I got to pay rent here, So I've definitely done that.

847
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: You hear lots of entertainers talk about that because you

848
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 3: don't know when the next job is so it's part

849
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: of it. But it's like if you took a corporate

850
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: job and there are things about the job that you hate,

851
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 3: but you're like, but I love the job.

852
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: It's the same thing. They've got to put up with.

853
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: A few shitty chores to do the rest of the

854
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: stuff that they love. Same try to make coffee with

855
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: a smile on their face, thinking I want to.

856
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 4: Run this company.

857
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: Have you taken gigs for money?

858
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: I have, definitely.

859
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: There's been a time when I was very cash poor.

860
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: That was when I left my marriage and it happens

861
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: or all the money went.

862
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: It's this magic trick direction.

863
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 3: It was a good learning experience to go back to

864
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: zero when I was so wealthy as a child.

865
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: Woweah, my sponsor would say, find humility before humility finds you.

866
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: What was that like as an adult to open your

867
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: phone and.

868
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 3: Go It was hard because I was at the time,

869
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: I didn't know much about dealing with grief and disappointment.

870
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: I'd never seen a therapist, a psychologist, psychiatrist. I'm going

871
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: through a marriage breakup and I'm at rock bottom, and

872
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: then to financially just feel like, oh, it's really hard

873
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: to deal with those things when you're either physically unwell

874
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 3: or emotionally mentally unwell.

875
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 4: It's a lot.

876
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: So you can see how people it's that laugh straw

877
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: that ends up breaking them.

878
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: I've talked about this on the show before, and it's

879
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: something I've found it. I'm interested to know if you

880
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: found it too. Yes, there's post traumatic extraias, but there's

881
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: also post traumatic growth.

882
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: Have you found Have.

883
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: You found that because of being in that space, because

884
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 2: there's only so long you can sit down.

885
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: There was there a.

886
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 2: Day like all right, I got to figure this out

887
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 2: because otherwise you're just going to stay there.

888
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

889
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 3: I mean I was lucky that I had the support

890
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: of my family around me. I don't know where I

891
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 3: would be if I was like not from that kind

892
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: of family. So I knew there's a way. You've just

893
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: got to find the strength somewhere to have the energy

894
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 3: to work so hard. Now, Yeah, it was it was

895
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 3: pretty wild.

896
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what changed about the way you approach work now?

897
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 3: Well, I'm not lost in love, I'm not blind, and

898
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: I put money away and I was under the impression

899
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: that I was helping my then husband get his career

900
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 3: off the ground in another country and that it was

901
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 3: a lifelong thing and will help each other. Right, So

902
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 3: it was just nonsense that was never going to happen.

903
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: But that was part of my learning journey.

904
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: What changed for you about the way that you shot

905
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 2: up to work after, you know, in the rebuilding phase

906
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: of things, I don't know.

907
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: I mean I was still very selective because I knew

908
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: I had that safety net of my family.

909
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 4: I knew I could proceed.

910
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just I had to deal with the

911
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,839
Speaker 3: emotional stuff and I just never knew had that big

912
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: hole of my heart was going to end and where

913
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: I would stop beating myself up from being such a

914
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: blind idiot, you.

915
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: Know, because you are the only person in history that

916
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: has ever done that.

917
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 4: Come you feel like.

918
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 3: It was very you know, a public you know that

919
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: doesn't forming of the relationship, the marriage, and so the

920
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: fallout was very public.

921
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 2: Were you're coming out of that into a different phase

922
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: of your career where you were you know, you're managing

923
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: a profile both in Australia and overseas, and you get

924
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: a call about it, you know, big talent show and

925
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: then you get on set and you're like, look, I

926
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: know these things, but you what do you learn when

927
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: you're on those on those enormous shiny floor shows overseas.

928
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you didn't do anything massive before that,

929
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: but certainly once the big shiny talent show thing starts

930
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: happening and you were a part of that, what were

931
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: you learning for the first time doing those kind of gigs.

932
00:46:58,880 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 1: He just said, you like to learn.

933
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 3: I think there are huge differences between Australia, UK and America,

934
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,760
Speaker 3: and the.

935
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 4: UK at the particular.

936
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 3: Time that I was doing those big shiny floor was

937
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 3: very dominated by Fleet Street, the old school mentality. This

938
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: is before the whole phone hacking scandal, So anyone who's

939
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 3: listening is not across that will be like, I don't

940
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 3: know what she's talking about. But journalists could write anything

941
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: about you. There was no social media, You had no

942
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: right of reply. If you complained about any journalists, you

943
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 3: would never be in their publication again. And there were

944
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: many notices from editors stating that directly, so you would

945
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 3: never work again. If the editors were never going to

946
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 3: write about you, you would never get hired for a show.

947
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 3: So you were just completely gagged. And social media was

948
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: the best thing they ever happened to me. When that

949
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: came along, I had a voice exciting and yes I

950
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: wanted to be part of that, but it was at

951
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 3: a particular time where it was very tricky and another

952
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 3: layer there was no help offered to us emotionally mentally

953
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: for our strength, and you had to put up with it.

954
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: There was nobody talk, nobody spoke about mental health. So

955
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: if you breathed a word to anyone like oh this

956
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 3: is hard, it's like, oh, you're complaining. You're on the

957
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 3: biggest show, right, get out of here next, you know.

958
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 3: You just you couldn't say anything, You couldn't let any

959
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: weight off your shoulders, and it was tricky, and that

960
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: was at the breaking point for me.

961
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 4: It was like, this ain't fun anymore.

962
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: What do you do when you're in those moments? Who

963
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: do you? Who do you call?

964
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 4: Family?

965
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: My manager who is and has always been so good

966
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 3: with kind of reframe, getting the worst case scenario out

967
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: of your head. Let's look at this and you are

968
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: in the driving seat, so you can make any decision

969
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 3: you want to make, but just make sure it's not

970
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: fear based and you're looking at the landscape before you

971
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 3: move forward, so you don't have any regrets. So really,

972
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 3: you know, taking that time to think things through.

973
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 2: When things are going well, decision making for a person

974
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: like you is possibly more simple when things are adversarial,

975
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: like you're describing, making.

976
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: Fear based choice, which is what they want you to do.

977
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: It seems very very easy when you are the product,

978
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: all right, you are showing up, the camera cuts to you, I.

979
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: Did not like that, I loved it, the.

980
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: Bomb, the classic talent XPAC the line I love it

981
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: all right.

982
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: That's what you're delivering. That's the widget that you're delivering,

983
00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: that moment on screen.

984
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but basically, when you're the product, are you able

985
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 2: to kind of zoom out a bit and go, well,

986
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: hang on a sex.

987
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 1: So that's Danny minog TV Danny. This is me, mum Danny,

988
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: you know, trying to make sure the kids are right,

989
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: trying to make sure for it.

990
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 2: Just for what should I do about this? And it

991
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 2: is this going in the right direction for this market

992
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: right now?

993
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: If the real Danny is not happy with what the

994
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 3: entertainment Danny is doing, then for me, it's never going

995
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 3: to work. Because I always say people know bullshit when

996
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: they see it through a camera lens.

997
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 4: They're not stupid.

998
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 3: And it was kind of growing up in TV. I

999
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 3: think the old world producers would say, ah, just smile

1000
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 3: and say cheese, and the show must go on and

1001
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 3: all of that, and I was kind of like something

1002
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: and this just doesn't sit right for me. Yes, there

1003
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: are days where you have to push through, but to

1004
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: stay in something where you're not happy, that's not going

1005
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 3: to work. So I've got to be emotionally happy. And

1006
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: it's not just one or two bad days. It's got

1007
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: to be something where you just go, this is not

1008
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: doing it for me.

1009
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 2: And that comes, I guess from you've gone through the

1010
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: process of what does six months from ound me feel

1011
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 2: about it looks like this gig?

1012
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 1: What would you say to people about saying no?

1013
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: Everyone's got to know their strength and their limitations. And

1014
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: for me, there's a lot of physical challenges at the moment,

1015
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: and there's also family time and I know I've got

1016
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 3: a few years left of this, like really being around

1017
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: my son a lot and then his.

1018
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 4: Teen world, and.

1019
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: It's so valuable to me and I cherish it that

1020
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 3: I only will do so many workdays and that's it.

1021
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 3: I just I don't do more than that. And who

1022
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 3: knows when he's flown the who will the work still

1023
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: be there?

1024
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1025
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 3: I've never known, like you just don't know, but I

1026
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: have to. I've got to pick and choose those things.

1027
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,839
Speaker 3: And it's so much good stuff, and I'm like, oh,

1028
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 3: I would love to learn. I would love to be

1029
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: a part of that. It sounds fun. The fun thing

1030
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: gets me.

1031
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, how can I say no to? That

1032
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 4: is gonna be so much fun.

1033
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 3: But I don't want to be coming home and not

1034
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: knowing and being across like what he's doing, the school stuff,

1035
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 3: the basketball, the friendship.

1036
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, circol Nige Leiso could fly in on a paper plane,

1037
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: fold out of the biggest bank check you've ever seen,

1038
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: and it still wouldn't be enough to buy the five

1039
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 2: minutes in the car when you're helping him process something

1040
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 2: that was difficult, but will then actually set a line

1041
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: of code in for his baby for the rest of

1042
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: his life that you can never ever have that moment again.

1043
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 2: I'm grateful to be a generation of fathers that this

1044
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 2: and people understand when you want to have boundaries around it.

1045
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 4: But previously, like ously nobody did.

1046
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: But I thank God, thank God for my son that

1047
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: I'm working, because I just love being around him so much.

1048
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: It gives him a bit of breathing.

1049
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: Space, you know, like sometimes when I have to go

1050
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: into state or overseas, like I'm dying. Just every second

1051
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 3: feels like days.

1052
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:27,359
Speaker 4: But it's so.

1053
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 3: Good and healthy for him, and then he develops stronger

1054
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: relationships with the entire family on one on one time

1055
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have happened if I was around. So you know,

1056
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: it kills me, but oh yeah, work is good for

1057
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: his health.

1058
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it is. You kind of underscoring why feeling

1059
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: comfortable to say no is important. What about when you.

1060
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 2: Get told Now, I'm sure you don't get told no

1061
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: very much, but what about when you get told.

1062
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 3: Though you go learning experience and we've had enough by

1063
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 3: now that you go learning experience. I've got to get

1064
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: better at that. I've got to tweak that or realize

1065
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 3: this is not for me. Signals are great, good, and

1066
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: bad gives you a signal of how to move forward.

1067
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 3: The yes is in the nose, the highs and the lows,

1068
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: like it all gives you a signal, and it's just

1069
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: going taking it in.

1070
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: We just need to take a quick break from Danny.

1071
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: We're back in a moment.

1072
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: You are a very brave performer, as I mentioned, you know,

1073
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 2: you do things like getting witched out of a ceiling

1074
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: at Marty just amazing stuff. What is it when you're

1075
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: on stage? What do people need to understand about committing

1076
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: when you are in a performance situation.

1077
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: I think that commitment is like other people would love

1078
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 3: to be here. That as a performer, you like, if

1079
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm not here, there's a line of people waiting to

1080
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 3: do it, and so like, if you're there, do it

1081
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: like full out every time.

1082
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that as you mentioned, that bullshit detector is strong.

1083
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and be willing to fail. You go, this could

1084
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: work or it very well might not. But also I

1085
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 3: think there was a lot of confidence given to me.

1086
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 4: In the UK.

1087
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 3: I worked with Chris Evans and he had a show

1088
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 3: called The Big Breakfast and trying to read a script

1089
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: and interview someone and there were puppets and drag queens

1090
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: and it was a crazy show. And after the first

1091
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 3: few days, like I just kept getting everything wrong and

1092
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: Chris was like, well, of course you do. It's the

1093
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,479
Speaker 3: first time you used all of these things and it's

1094
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: like the most frenetic two hours of live TV. But

1095
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 3: he said, it's not about making mistake. It's how you

1096
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 3: take it on the chin and recover and letting the

1097
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 3: audience know that it's okay. You might not feel okay,

1098
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 3: but you'll get better at feeling okay with it when

1099
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: you are less scared of making mistakes. He could see

1100
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: somewhere that it could happen if I flicked a switch

1101
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: in my brain and I did so. He gave me

1102
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 3: that mental strength and that you know format of how

1103
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: to do it even though I'm learning on the job.

1104
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 2: What is it to be given permission to do a

1105
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: thing that you might not think you've got but someone

1106
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: sees enough of the other stuff to go other rests

1107
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: is technical, You'll be right. What is it to be

1108
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: given permission to do that?

1109
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: And what can that do for you?

1110
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 3: It's that scary moment where you're like, do I listen

1111
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: to the thing on my shoulder going ever I got

1112
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 3: to get it, or do I listen to the other

1113
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 3: thing on my shoulder going? This is what learning looks like.

1114
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: This is what it looks like, and it's amazing. Now

1115
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 3: when I go to basketball with my son, and I

1116
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 3: see the coaches they spot something in someone and they're like, yeah,

1117
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: you can't dribble now, or you can't dunk, or you

1118
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: can't do that, But if you practice enough, you are

1119
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 3: going to get it, if you mentally switch on. So

1120
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 3: it's kind of now seeing it through a spectator's lens

1121
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: is incredible.

1122
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: You're raising a young man whose sounds like he's playing basketball.

1123
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: He's probably already got some heart on him. Yeah, a

1124
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 2: few more years of protein and testosterone and yeah, exactly

1125
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: how are you both navigating I guess masculinity in twenty

1126
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 2: twenty four and how that develop him.

1127
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: There's so much that they're given at school, which is great,

1128
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 3: and then the parents are educated as to the learning

1129
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 3: that they're being given, and there are open zooms where

1130
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: then you get to our specialist questions. So I'm finding

1131
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: that really helpful. The school system now is educating both

1132
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,400
Speaker 3: of us. Then you've obviously got what happens at home,

1133
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 3: and he's got a unique set of circumstances of stuff

1134
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 3: that we have to go through that maybe other families

1135
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: don't go through. And then he's got like his interest,

1136
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 3: like what he learns from basketball, which is great. About

1137
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 3: you know, that team spirit and mentors and coaches and

1138
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 3: respect and managing your emotions after games and helping your teammates.

1139
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: And I think there's just a lot now for your age,

1140
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 3: there's that that gear shift and that adjustment, but like

1141
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: at his age, it's it's in built in their growing up.

1142
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: And I love it, you know when you like years ago,

1143
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: the first time I heard a kid say, mom, don't

1144
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 3: just take a photo of me or don't just post that,

1145
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, these kids are really learning.

1146
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: To the boundary.

1147
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: My god.

1148
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1149
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like one of the best things that I

1150
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: learned through one of the school sessions, which was really

1151
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: about health and sex education all of that, and they

1152
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: opened up the conversation. They were like, do any parents

1153
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 3: have a question? Nobody would jump in, so I went, consent,

1154
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 3: can we talk about that? And they offered something really

1155
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 3: great that was like, consent starts with the people who

1156
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 3: are you're superiors when you're very, very young, so it's

1157
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 3: normally your parents and you see parents go oh no, no,

1158
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 3: just let.

1159
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 4: Me do this.

1160
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 3: I could just do it once more, and the kid

1161
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: says no, but they do it anyway, So that is

1162
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: then teaching their brain the person who has power over

1163
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 3: you is not listening to you. And I'm like, wow,

1164
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: I hope more parents are getting this parenting because there's

1165
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: a lot of crazy stuff that's going on in social media,

1166
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: Like you know, I've kept my son completely out of

1167
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: all Latin, each to their own choice. But that's where

1168
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 3: consent starts. It's a really good little food for thought

1169
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: for anyone who's listening to this who hasn't had those

1170
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: like parent school zoom things.

1171
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 4: That's where it starts.

1172
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 3: Could be as young as three and you're like, no,

1173
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 3: we're doing it anyway.

1174
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1175
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 3: Right.

1176
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 2: Audrey was very good like that with g She was

1177
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: very like, if you don't feel like twenty six is

1178
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: the minimum number of aunts and uncles that come to

1179
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: her family, gathered with a lot of the family in

1180
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: the city. She's like, if you don't want to give

1181
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: people a cuddle, you don't have to, and that's fine.

1182
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: And she would always run interference. She would always be

1183
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 2: the linebacker blocking the quarterback. She'll come over when she's ready.

1184
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, come on, none.

1185
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: Of She'll come over when she's ready.

1186
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,959
Speaker 2: And that in turn, now George is like, she's tall

1187
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 2: than me. It's powerful and it's really driven, drives me

1188
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: nuts sometimes, but then in the middle of her driving

1189
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: me nuts, I'm like.

1190
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: Don't ever stop doing that.

1191
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 4: I'm just to be strong.

1192
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of it. She's an incredible one.

1193
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: But that's because of that, because she learned that, and

1194
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 2: I have a say in.

1195
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 3: Yeah this and it matters, and the closest people to

1196
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 3: you give you that permission to stand your ground. That

1197
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 3: will serve you well in so many different places. My

1198
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: mum was definitely that for me growing up, and definitely

1199
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: question authority, which I always did, and that made me

1200
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: never scared to be in a room, whether it was

1201
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 3: a board table full of people older than me and

1202
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 3: they had experience, I was never scared to speak my mind.

1203
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 3: That's given me like a little superpower and very very

1204
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 3: thankful for that.

1205
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: You and I have been involved in a few different projects,

1206
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 2: and sometimes if a show runs late, or something happens,

1207
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: or there's an incident at work, you're shut on the

1208
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: next saying and go how about that thing, and maybe

1209
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: somebody else will go, yeah, I know, right.

1210
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: No da da da da, Not a peep, not a

1211
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: peep from you. Never ever, ever, have I ever heard

1212
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: you say anything negative about anybody you work with. I

1213
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: wish I could say the same for myself, but I

1214
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 1: learned that. I learned that from you.

1215
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 2: You're the first person like, hang on, we have every

1216
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:44,280
Speaker 2: permission to just go balls out in this secret room

1217
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 2: that no one else can hear, to talk about this

1218
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 2: thing that happened.

1219
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: You won't do it.

1220
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 3: I might not like what someone's done, but I've made

1221
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: my fair share of mistakes along the way. And if

1222
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 3: people can be lenient and to know that, like especially

1223
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: if it's like it's a one off, that's not going

1224
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 3: to happen again. If someone's continually doing that, that's going

1225
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 3: to be different problem. But I more put myself in

1226
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 3: the position where if that's going to continue going on there,

1227
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: I will leave the project. Like I'm not in control

1228
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 3: of other people. I can only be in control of

1229
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: me and remove yourself from it if it's not floating

1230
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:28,320
Speaker 3: your boat.

1231
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 1: But I've never heard you say a word.

1232
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: Where did that show up in your career? Where did

1233
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: you realize that was an important thing to do.

1234
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: I don't want people speaking badly about me, but you know,

1235
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: I definitely rant, like I've got to let steam off

1236
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 3: at some point. There are things that I'm not happy with.

1237
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 3: People I'm not happy with. But it's kind of I

1238
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 3: guess that old school entertainment. Like when you show up,

1239
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 3: it's about the show. You've got to deal with all

1240
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: of that on your private time. But when you show up,

1241
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: like the camera guy, the lighting director, the poor person

1242
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:13,760
Speaker 3: listening to everything on the mic.

1243
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 4: They ca.

1244
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 2: There's another thing that I did want to ask you

1245
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 2: about is that when you made the decision to leave

1246
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 2: Mask Singer, I think it was after two seasons, three seasons,

1247
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: you called me to let me know. No one I've

1248
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: ever worked with has ever called me to say they're

1249
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 2: not doing the show. I've always found that someone's not

1250
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: doing the show from someone else. Why was it important

1251
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: for you to call? And I'm sure I'm not the

1252
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 2: only phone call that you made that day.

1253
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like we were really like a family unit.

1254
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: It felt like the young Talent time because we'd been

1255
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 3: in the trenches with COVID.

1256
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 4: It was really tough filming through that.

1257
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 3: It was like it still brings back a lot, tell

1258
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 3: me about it, you know. And we were like had

1259
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: like zoom parties and all of this bachelor you had

1260
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 3: our first fling little TV baby, and yeah it's family

1261
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: and friends.

1262
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,959
Speaker 4: And I still call you now. I'm like, hey, hey, dude,

1263
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 4: how are you doing.

1264
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 3: And I may not called on the day that you know,

1265
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: but I was busy, but I'm calling now because now

1266
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 3: I've got the time, like recently I called you, But

1267
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: it's it really felt like family and something special.

1268
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: When I try to think of.

1269
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 2: How I shot to work, I always try to like,

1270
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 2: I just want to make everyone else's day at work

1271
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 2: the best day they've ever had, and you do and

1272
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: that more thank you, But it is how do I

1273
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: be as professional as I can be? Because if I

1274
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: do all those things, then I'm doing the best, better

1275
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 2: than I could have ever imagined. But you've got to

1276
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 2: understand this, Danny Minogue that I asked myself, what would Danny,

1277
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: because you are hands down the most fucking christally focused

1278
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 2: just machine of show business that I've ever ever.

1279
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 3: Worried really because I just like, I just go on

1280
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,439
Speaker 3: vibe and I feel like I fumble through, and it's

1281
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: that no confidence of like you're not the best person

1282
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 3: in the room, but you can bring it, like you

1283
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 3: know how to bring it, and I know the days

1284
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 3: where I haven't brought it, I feel like I didn't

1285
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 3: do a great job, and then trying to overcome that

1286
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 3: and not beat myself up. But I love the energy

1287
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 3: in a room when everyone's having fun, and boy, you

1288
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 3: have more fun on those kind.

1289
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 4: Of sets when everyone's professional.

1290
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 3: So then we could just like get we all know

1291
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 3: we're going to do the job, and then you can

1292
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 3: have fun on top of that.

1293
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: Danny, whenever I get a chance, I always tell peoples

1294
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 2: like you, don't accidentally stay consistently employed since you were ten.

1295
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: There's a method to this, and it's a deliberate practice, and.

1296
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: You are the embodiment of that.

1297
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 2: And I've never met anyone who works as hard as you,

1298
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: and I've never met anyone who delivers like a fucking

1299
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 2: machine that you push a button and bang there it

1300
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: is like you. That's what makes you you, is that

1301
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,160
Speaker 2: you are consistent and you deliver it and you know

1302
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 2: the assignment and here it is on time and fucking

1303
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: neat and tidy and perfect.

1304
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1305
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: And I would cherish those words and take them. There'll

1306
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 3: be a lot of days ahead where I feel unstable,

1307
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 3: feel not worthy, not confident, and it's a pep talk

1308
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 3: like that will day with me.

1309
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,000
Speaker 1: But it's lovely.

1310
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 2: It's also kind of love to hear you say that,

1311
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 2: because it's a fallacy that someone in your position doesn't

1312
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: have those thoughts. It's just not letting them make the decisions.

1313
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: That is the that is the skill set and we

1314
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: all have that.

1315
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's muscle memory. You got to approach that and

1316
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 3: you've got to mess up. You've got to allow yourself.

1317
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: This is what learning looks like.

1318
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 3: Yes, and you you are five star at learning.

1319
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 4: I've done it all, every depth of it. Chat I

1320
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 4: have learned.

1321
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 2: I know you've got to get out of here because

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Speaker 2: you've got another big gig this afternoon, but thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for making the time.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting because like we hang out and we worked,

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Speaker 3: but there's stuff that just doesn't come up in conversations

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Speaker 3: unless you create that space. And it's like, it's what

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Speaker 3: I'm learning now, like with my son, Like the days

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Speaker 3: are busy and stuff, but if you can create that

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Speaker 3: space where conversations happen and podcasts are brilliant at that,

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Speaker 3: Like I'm obsessed with podcasts. Good podcast So thank you

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Speaker 3: for the time.

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Speaker 4: There.

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Speaker 2: She was the all time superstar herself, Danny Minogue. I

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Speaker 2: consider myself incredibly fortunate to have learned so much from

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Speaker 2: a true master such as her. If I could have

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Speaker 2: ten percent of the thing that she has, I'd be

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Speaker 2: a very happy man. You didn't hear a talk about

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Speaker 2: it in there, But since that chat, I followed her up.

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Speaker 2: I really like the way that we spoke together, and

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Speaker 2: I thought we got on really well. And I thought,

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Speaker 2: there's you know, there's still a bit of z going on.

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Speaker 2: She's a title pro. I thought maybe there's a project there,

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Speaker 2: maybe there's an audio project, and you know, I talked

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Speaker 2: to her about it, and she just flat out and said, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm so gratefully your thought to me, But there's only

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Speaker 2: so much time that my sign is this old. I'm

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Speaker 2: at capacity now. When he's clear a high school, let's

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Speaker 2: talk again. But for now, making sure he's good and

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Speaker 2: he's you know, makes it out of high school as

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Speaker 2: well as possible can. That's the most iportant job I have.

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Speaker 2: Not he's struggling or anything. She just wants to be there.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm That's what I'm doing right now. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I love that she's epic. There's nothing I wouldn't do

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Speaker 2: for Danny. She has an amazing management team who are

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Speaker 2: just the most incredible people to work with, because it's

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Speaker 2: never just the person you see when you're at that level,

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Speaker 2: there's other people around them to help them be who

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Speaker 2: they are and execute the ideas they have. And her

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Speaker 2: manager Mail is just total delight and it's no mystery

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Speaker 2: as to why she's able to do what she does.

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Speaker 2: And if there's anything I could learn from that, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's just what would Danny do? Send this episode to someone,

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Speaker 2: someone who digs on Danny, someone who needs to hear

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Speaker 2: about maybe showing up to work of it differently. I

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Speaker 2: certainly needed it when I first met her, and bloody

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Speaker 2: grateful I got a chance to be more like Danny

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Speaker 2: every day I could.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: Come and join us on the substack, hang with the

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Speaker 2: rest of us over there. It's love that you came

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Speaker 2: here today. I'll see you again. Here's the AI bot

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Speaker 2: to read us to the credits. This episode was brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Andy Maher on audio post production, Beck

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Speaker 2: Sayed on video post production, Toe Hyder on music, and

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Speaker 2: OSHA's executive function Assistant is Monica Chapman.

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