1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: By Tiffany and Cook. Welcome back to the You project. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: It's been a while. I'm going to say, twenty four hours. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: How are you? 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: I'm fabulous, thanks harp. Well, I'm okay, I'm good. 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Are you good? Yeah? As your new hair, I mean, 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm not much of one to notice things, but I 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: think the word is volumous like there is, or abundant 8 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: like your hair. It looks like you have fifty percent 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: more hair than you had like two weeks ago. Is 10 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: that just because it's wavy or it's been permed or something. 11 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never not been permed. It's gone curly in 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: the last few years. But when I when I wash it, 13 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: and I'll leave it at like so I washed it 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 2: this morning, so I left it out and we'll just 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 2: let the curls knock themselves out. But then once I 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: throw it up in a ponytail, I just tend to 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: drag it back and it all falls away. 18 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: But that's why your hair looks like, not that's what 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: that's what your hair looks like normally. 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was straight my whole life, but when curly 21 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, and this is literally I 22 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: get out of the shower, put a little bit of 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: curl cream in it, and this is what happens now. 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: So this Can you tell, oh, you can't take a 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: photo of this because we're on my thing? 26 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: No I can, Yeah, yeah I can. 27 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: I reckon, you should just put in the group because 28 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about it. Not that I man's fucking going 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: to change anyone's life, but that's a lot of hair 30 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: and that's the opposite of my head. 31 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: The funny thing is it's somewhat topical because I'm talking 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: a lot about perimenopause and hormones at the moment, and 33 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: that literally was a transition that happened at the beginning 34 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: of this whole thing for me, and it was one 35 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: of the things that came up that females can when 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: we start to shift in hormones, your hair can change 37 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 2: like that, and people do just go from dead straight 38 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: to curly. So it's crazy. 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, I'm no fashionist, and in fact, 40 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: again and again today a lady asked me can I Firstly, 41 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: you know when people say can I ask you a question? 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: And that question is already a question, it's like, well, 43 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: you just asks me a question, would you like another one? 44 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: So because can I ask you a question? Is itself 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: a question anyway? Sorry to be pedantic, but I go, 46 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: of course she can. She goes, and she was trying 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: not to be rude, and I don't think she was 48 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: meaning to be rude. She's like, can I just ask you? 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: And she got a little bit awkward. Right, So she 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: knows who I am, not that I'm anyone, but she 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: doesn't know me well. But she sees me at the cafe. 52 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: She goes, do you wear the same thing all the time? 53 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: And she's like, so, so you don't have to make 54 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: any decisions or like, I don't mean to be rude. 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's hilarious. I go, you can ask 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: me whatever the fuck you want. It's all right. I go. 57 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: If there's one person that ain't getting offended about his outfit, 58 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: it's jumbo, so ask away. So I said, I have 59 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: about twenty pairs of these shorts, and I probably have 60 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: fifty black T shirts or similar. I probably have fifty 61 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: flannel shirts. And I dress for comfort. You know, I 62 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: don't want to look horrendous, but I don't get up 63 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: and think how good do I look in this? That's 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: not a consideration, you know. I dress for Am I warm? 65 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: Am I comfortable? Can I fucking run if I have to? Yes? 66 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: I can, I'm good? Is it clean? Have I turned 67 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: my jocks inside out back to front? Is it day 68 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: five or day four? Do I change them? You know? 69 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: And yeah, But it's just funny. It's like the things 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: which are not say, people should not care what they 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: look like. I literally don't. I mean, well maybe I 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: do a little bit, but not. You know, it's it's 73 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: not even in the top fifty things that I think 74 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: about on a given day. What do people think of 75 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 1: my clothes? Is this? You know? Like I you know 76 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: how people are like, oh, this is Louis Vauton. This 77 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: costs fucking twelve thousand dollars. I'm brag. I go, this 78 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: flannel shirt costs four bucks. This cost four, This was twelve. 79 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: I got it for four at big w Fuck, I'm 80 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: winning at life. And then people go, why do you 81 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: do that? You could have fallen like a two hundred 82 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: dollar shit. I'm like, well, I can't agree about it, 83 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: but why would you know with your two hundred dollars, 84 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: I could buy fifty of my four dollar shirts or 85 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: one of your two hundred dollar ones. 86 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: When I was up in Queensland, and obviously there was 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,720 Speaker 2: a few photos because I did the story slam and 88 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 2: I was dressed up and everyone was like, oh, sparkles 89 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: you got because I had the sequin top sequencing the 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 2: top and the first thing I would tell people and 91 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: I'm was like, why are you telling people this? But 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: it was a ten dollars Kmart top and I've had 93 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: it for age. I'd never worn it, and I had 94 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: a couple of expensive tops there to wear on the 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 2: nights that we had stuff on. But as soon as 96 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 2: people compliment, I'm like, this was ten dollars, I'm like, 97 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 2: you should shut up. 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: One of one of my friend's wives who's always having 99 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: a crack at me about you know, like like you're 100 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: in good shape, you should dress well, like it's such 101 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: a waste, right, She's always saying, well, not you've got 102 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: a good body, but you're in like you would look 103 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: good if you were wearing and I'm like, well, thanks, thanks. 104 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: Imagine if I started commenting on how you look. But anyway, 105 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: we'll put that to one side. And so I saw 106 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 1: them and I was wearing a long black T shirt 107 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: which I normally don't write, and so not a not 108 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: a T shirt T shirt, but a long black but 109 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: made of T shirt material, quite tightfitting, quite you know, 110 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: you could see everything and it looks expensive. But I 111 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: think it was like twelve dollars, right, But it looks expensive. 112 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: It looks like one of those designer like body fitting 113 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: or hugging. And she goes, oh when I saw them, 114 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: she goes, oh, that looks She goes, where did you 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: get that? And like I knew she was trying to 116 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: figure out whether or not she should like it based 117 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: on how much it cost. I said, I think I 118 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: got it in South Yarra some She goes, what did 119 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 1: that cost? And I said it was a lot. I 120 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: go for me, it was like a hundred and something bucks. 121 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: She goes, I knew it. It looks amazing. I go, 122 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: fuck you, it cost twelve dollars and she's like, yeah, 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: like I knew that. That was Like that's why I 124 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: told you you should she and I knew that if 125 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: she thought it was worth a lot, she would like it. 126 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: But it wasn't worth a lot at all. But anyway, 127 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: that's praise the Lord. Yeah, yeah, I wanted to I 128 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: wanted to have a chat today about something that's been 129 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: ruminating around my skon a little bit lately. I don't 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: even know, Like, this is not a lesson anyone. This 131 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: is me thinking out loud. I may even need a 132 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: lesson from you, TIF I may need a lesson or 133 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: advice from you listeners. If you have anything to help me, 134 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: feel free to go to the You Project podcast Facebook 135 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: page and say, Harps, here are my thoughts, here are 136 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: my ideas. So I've been thinking, not obsessing. But as 137 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: you get older, right, you become more aware of your mortality. 138 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: No shit, Sherlock, as Mary Harper says, no shit Sherlock. 139 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: That's a favorite Mary saying. And so I'm I'm sixty 140 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: two in December, and I think about this. I do 141 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: this exercise with people. Shut me up if you need to, 142 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: or interrupt if you need to tip. But I do 143 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: this exercise with people in workshops, sometimes not regularly, but sometimes. 144 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: And what I do is so for me, I will 145 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: put on the board on the whiteboard. I'll put it 146 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the left hand side, far left side of the whiteboard 147 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. I circle it like I'm doing right 148 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: now on my pad in front of me. Then I 149 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: draw a line right across about ninety percent or eighty 150 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: five percent of the whiteboard, and then in that circle, 151 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: I'll write, if I was doing it right now, i'd 152 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: write twenty twenty five, and then past that I would 153 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: do say, go to two thousand and forty five, and 154 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: I'd say, now, statistically, if I'm statistically averagish, like, this 155 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: is my life, and then everyone looks at my life 156 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, it's about eighty percent done. It's 157 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: about your life based you know, it's like and what 158 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: we know. And then I think about and I just say, listen, 159 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to use you as an example. Let's 160 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: use me, right, because we just want to talk about 161 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: this thing. We don't want to be morbid, we don't 162 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: want to be sad, we don't want to create anxiety. 163 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. We're all going to die. Okay, 164 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: We're all going to die. We know that. And most 165 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: of us don't die in a great state, right. It's 166 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: not like too many of us go out, you know, 167 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: bootscooting and laughing and you know, doing shots at the 168 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: bar and then get hit by a fucking missile or 169 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: something on the way out the front door. You know, 170 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: happy as fuk got blown up in the car park 171 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: rip jumbo doesn't happen, right, So, and just thinking about, 172 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: not obsessing, not worrying, but it's just thinking about, Oh, 173 00:09:56,480 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: so if I'm now, let's let's say let's round that 174 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: up to sixty two. And the average aussy bloke, in fact, 175 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: I think, only lives to eighty or eighty one. But 176 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: let's say I've got twenty years. Hopefully I've got more. 177 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: But let's say I've got twenty years. You go, well, statistically, 178 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: probably five of those are going to be fucked who knows, 179 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: hopefully not. But then you start to think about, I 180 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: can't undo anything I've done. What do I want to do? 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: This is I think what do I want to do 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: in the next Like I don't know how many great 183 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: years I've got. My intention is to have more than twenty, 184 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: of course, But I think you also need to be 185 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,719 Speaker 1: realistic and practical though, and a little bit what's the 186 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: word vulnerable? I guess and go, well, yeah, that's cool, Craig, 187 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: great plan. But lots of people who live pretty healthy 188 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: lifestyles die earlier than they'd intended because of a genetic thing, 189 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: or an accident or a something. Right, So that's a possibility. 190 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: So I've been thinking about what I want, you know, 191 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: the next twenty years. Who knows how many I have 192 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: the next ten years. Like my intention is to like 193 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm just hopefully winding up my PhD now, to have 194 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: my PhD next year, and to be able to you know, 195 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: do some different things, and to keep growing business and 196 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: the podcast and keep learning new things and keep helping 197 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: people and keep being of value and service and keep 198 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: having a life that's somewhat meaningful. But I think back about, 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, the people that we've had on the show, 200 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: like on this show that aren't around anymore. You know, 201 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: we had my friend Nima who passed away last year, 202 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: a pharmacist who came on a bunch of times and 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: died and left behind two kids who were I can't 204 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: even I think somewhere in the ballpark of like I 205 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: don't even want to guess young younger than twelve, right, 206 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't want to rip Nema. And we had you know, 207 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: Johnny Ruffo that we loved and he was and he 208 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: passed away. And we had a friend of mine called 209 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Simon Hammond who owned an advertising agency and he was 210 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: on and he passed away. And then we had did 211 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: I say, Danny Frawley Spud. 212 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: I didn't know. 213 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Spud as well, and there may even 214 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: be someone else, you know, So five people that like 215 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: you and me. 216 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Right now, we had Kerwin. 217 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: Kerwin Ray that's fight, yeah, kerw and Ray, Kerw and 218 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: Ray larger than life ker and Ray my goodness, you know, 219 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: and five people like you and me having a chat 220 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: on no level where they think and I'm not going 221 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: to be around much longer, right, And that happened to 222 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: be case, and it's it's just a it's an interesting 223 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: thought experiment to go, what am I going to do? 224 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: And like this is I guess this has been what's 225 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: the word? I guess prompted a little bit by you know, 226 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: my parents. My dad's eighty six, he turned out other day, 227 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: and you know it's like, I gotta be careful what 228 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 1: I say. But things are not amazing. You know, things 229 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: are not amazing, and you know it's like, oh cool, 230 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: and then you go again, if this is self indulged 231 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: in everyone, I apologize. I don't talk about this stuff publicly, 232 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: but I'm going to today and then I think, ah, 233 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: so well, and nobody's fault. This is not there's no 234 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: zero self pity in this, But I go, well, I 235 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: don't have a wife or a partner, which is cool, 236 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: that's how my life is. But I don't have brothers 237 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: and sisters. So I have no siblings, and I have 238 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: no nieces and no nephews. And then one day Ron 239 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: and Mary won't be around, and then you're like oh, 240 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: and then no self pity, just curiosity. I'm like, oh, 241 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: wonder what life is like when you literally have no family, 242 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: like none, no brothers, no sisters, no kids, no parents. 243 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I have, you know, relatives, but I rarely 244 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: see my relatives, and half my relatives, God bless them, 245 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: I don't even know them, you know. And I go ge. 246 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: So that's why when you know we've spoken before about 247 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: you know, life after work and retirement, and I think, 248 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: because I love people, I need I need to have 249 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: a purpose, like and so I'm thinking, you know, even now, 250 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you better get your shit together. You better 251 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: keep your shit together, and also you better you better 252 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: be a fucking good son for the next however long 253 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: it is, like, because you know, Ron and Mary not 254 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: doing any marathons or you know, entering the fucking Great 255 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: Race on Channel ten anytime soon, or you know, it's like, okay, 256 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: so it's just yeah, life just presents itself and you 257 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: just you just deal with that. Think when you think 258 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: about it from the perspective of that, like, you know, 259 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: what's sixty as a percentage of seventy five or sixty 260 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: as percentage of eighty is seventy five, right, you go, 261 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: so I'm seventy five percent through my life, maybe maybe 262 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: a bit more, maybe a little bit less. But and 263 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: then you think about, oh, which sounds wanky, what like, 264 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: will I be missed? Not in an egotistical way, but 265 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: I think, ah, like because one of the I'll shut 266 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: up after this and you tell me what you think. 267 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: But I because I've never thought I'm particularly special, and 268 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm definitely not saying that so anyone, including you, will go, oh, 269 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: you're this and that. I genuinely don't think that. And 270 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: I also I'm very conscious that, like I always you know, 271 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm the one who goes, there's eight billion people in 272 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: the world. I'm not fucking outstanding on any level. Right, 273 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: There's eight billion people and there's been I don't know 274 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: how many more billion over you know, she managed is timeline, 275 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: And then it kind of opens the door for me 276 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: on you know, well, what if what if this isn't 277 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: all there is? What if there is? You know? And 278 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: then I think, am I thinking that because that's comforting? 279 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: Or am I thinking that because I've actually had to 280 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: peek into something bigger than you know, the three dimensional 281 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: reality of human existence? You know? So do you ever 282 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: think about it? 283 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: You? Yeah, I do, And I'm interested. I love that. 284 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 2: I love that this is a topic you've brought up 285 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: and that's what you've said about it. And I want 286 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: to know when you think about because I have thought 287 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: about this myself, and I'm a little bit like yourself. 288 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: I have no interest at the present moment of having 289 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 2: a relationship. I definitely don't want to have a family, 290 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 2: and I've got family, but there in Tazzy and I 291 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: have thought of that at times, that idea of like 292 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: what if what IF's bad? Something bad happens? Who's going 293 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: to like, oh have I got or what about when 294 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: I'm old? So for you, when you think of that, 295 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: when you think of well, in ten fifteen years time, 296 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 2: what emotions come up? Or where does that take you? 297 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: Or what do you what do you explore or think 298 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: about that? 299 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, I'm quite practical in that I think, yeah, 300 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: I could be really fucking lonely. I will do everything 301 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: not to be. I hope that when I'm seventy five 302 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: or eighty, if I live that long, I hope that 303 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: I've still got all my faculties, that I'm still you know, 304 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,959 Speaker 1: that I can still talk and think and write and 305 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: help people and you know, have a have purpose for me. 306 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: If if somebody said to me, We're going to give 307 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 1: you one hundred million dollars for the next five years, 308 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: you can't do any work. You can't you can't write anything, 309 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: you can't talk to people in the way that you 310 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: can't do. You just need to watch Netflix, go for 311 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: some walks, and you know whatever, I would say, keep 312 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: you a hundred million, I would die. I need stimulation, 313 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: I need learning, I need interaction, I need socialization. But ironically, 314 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: because I'm lived by myself and have forever, I also 315 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,719 Speaker 1: need time away from that. You know. But I'm like 316 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I've spent a couple of times. I've spent weeks by myself, 317 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: I mean in complete isolation, not talking to anyone, isolation. 318 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: But that's about my limit. Like two weeks, I would 319 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: probably go nuts by week three, Like I need, I 320 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: need to talk someone. But I think to get away 321 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: from your life and away from yourself in inverted commas 322 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: for a while is a good thing, but too long 323 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: it is probably not. Yeah, And I think I don't 324 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: know I told you and I won't retell the story. 325 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: But my second MM who died six months ago, and 326 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: sitting there with her in that moment, and it's just 327 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: like just how you know, she had, you know, in 328 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 1: real terms hours to live, maybe seventy two hours or 329 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: something or and like sitting in that room with her, 330 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: just there's a paradigm shift that you that I don't think, well, 331 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: I can't have if I'm not in that situation. There's 332 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: a like a perspective that you get when you're sitting 333 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: with someone that you love that is dying, that you 334 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 1: can't have that perspective if you're not in that Well, 335 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 1: I can't anyway, but I want to actually because I 336 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: look back on that with profound gratitude and this intersection 337 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: of both joy and sadness, but more joy than sadness. 338 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: You know that I had, I had that time, you know, 339 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: And then I think about how much bullshit I do, 340 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: and I think I'm probably not you know, I probably 341 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: am not the biggest doer of bullshit, but I still 342 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: think I waste time on shits and I bullshit myself, 343 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: and you know, and I guess there's got to be 344 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: that balance between purpose and fun and just you know, being. 345 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's like I and then I talk to Nicky, 346 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: my friend who's the dueler, the death dueler, who you know, 347 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: who's been on the show a bunch, and she sits 348 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: with people who are dying, and she says that being 349 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: with people in the last hours of their life, for her, 350 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: it's a blessing. She says, it's an absolute privilege, and 351 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: that's her calling. Her calling is literally to help people, 352 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: you know, move on or whatever we want to call it, 353 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: but be there. And she describes it as beautiful. She says, 354 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, it's amazing. And it's the thing that fucking 355 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 1: terrifies most of us is being around someone who is 356 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: super sick or dying or has just died. And it's like, 357 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: I think that's maybe a cultural thing for us. I 358 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: don't know, what do. 359 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: You think we need or how do we build well, 360 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: if it's relationships, maybe relationships or communities around us. So 361 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: that when we're not working or doing the role that 362 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 2: is Craig Harper on the You project that has something 363 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: to contribute commercially to people. How do we build or 364 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: how do you do you build relationships intentionally like that 365 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 2: or have they innately unfolded? 366 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. No, I don't intentionally and 367 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't mean this sound weird, but I wouldn't go 368 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: out intentionally trying to build relationships now so that the last, 369 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: however long, of my life is not lonely where I'm 370 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,639 Speaker 1: strategically developing. I wouldn't do that, you know. I just 371 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 1: think that that's not like that's a strategic alliance almost, 372 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: you know. It's like I care about people that I 373 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: care about, And you know, I've said this before, and 374 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 1: people think I'm being maybe some people think I'm being 375 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: a bit negative, and I'm definitely for me, it's not 376 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: an expression of negativity. But I think if you have 377 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: five people in the world that love, I mean love love, 378 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: love you, I don't mean conditionally support you or like 379 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: you or if things are going great, they're there for you. 380 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: But I mean just I reckon you're batting above your average, 381 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, And so I think that, you know, that 382 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: kind of write or die, which is an American expression, 383 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: but that write or die love or connection or camaraderie, 384 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: friendship whatever. I don't. I really don't have a lot 385 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 1: of that in my life. And maybe I'm the problem. 386 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Maybe that's my fault, like I have lots of friends, 387 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,239 Speaker 1: but I do. Having said that, maybe I do have 388 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: a few. You know, probably probably been my best mate forever, 389 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 1: and probably the crab because I saved his life. But 390 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: you know, they're probably pretty loyal, you know, probably two's 391 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: two might be too more than average. Who knows, But yeah, 392 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: and I think about you and I chatted briefly before 393 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: we press the record button about a funeral. Just tell 394 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: me that little story because about I don't know if 395 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 1: you can. You don't need to mention who it was. 396 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I because you mentioned talking about mortality, and I said, 397 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: a client of mine the other day, one of their friends, 398 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 2: a mentor, a meditation teacher who'd been battling illness, had 399 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 2: recently passed and we were talking about that, and he 400 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: didn't he didn't have a funeral because he didn't want 401 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: to have a funeral. And my immediate reaction was that 402 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 2: the funeral is not for you, it's for block. What 403 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: about all the people that want to celebrate you and 404 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: connect over you and grieve for you that now don't 405 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 2: have a significant moment to do that. And I just yeah, 406 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: she's she mentioned's. 407 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: A really valid point. Yeah, like that's a valid point 408 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: because honestly, and this will shock people, you know, once 409 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: my mum and dad pass away and whatever. When I 410 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: I would prefer not to have anything. I would prefer 411 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: people to go thumbs up. He was a good bloke 412 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: mostly see. Yeah, but in light of what you said, 413 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: that makes sense, like I would not. I don't know. 414 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: I feel very uncomfortable with the idea of people standing 415 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: around saying what a great bloke I was, people that 416 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: haven't seen me for ten years and really weren't in 417 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: my life, and you know all that I'm like, eh, 418 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: makes me feel a bit creepy or something. I don't know. 419 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there's those the people that it's closure for 420 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: those who need I had a client he was on 421 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: my show. He became a client because he got diagnosed 422 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: with cancer in the middle of COVID and asked for 423 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: my help. And I remember I think I spoke to you. 424 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: I said to lean into this when this is when 425 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 2: I'm like the abandonment chick. It's like I don't lean 426 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 2: into things when people are going to disappear. So it 427 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: was I felt quite moved, and yeah it was. It 428 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: felt like a big thing to do. Anyway. He'd been 429 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: sick for a while, obviously too sick to continue training 430 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: for a while. And then I saw on LinkedIn through 431 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 2: his company that he had passed and I got to 432 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: go to the funeral and I always think of him. 433 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 2: He had a set of boxing gloves on his coffin, 434 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 2: like I always think of him. I have goosebumps right now, 435 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: and I am so grateful that I happened to see 436 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: the announcement of the funeral. And I would have been 437 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 2: harp if I didn't. 438 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: Hmm. Yeah, you make a valid point. 439 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: So that't be selfish habs forty eight years. If the 440 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: worst comes the worst, I at least want to be 441 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: able to be there. 442 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I feel yeah, I 443 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: understand that. I think it probably is being selfish. So 444 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: all right, everyone, when I die, you can come. You're welcome. 445 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: Get pissed and adding in the bamboo guys, yeah, I can. 446 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Just I want to go out like a Viking. I 447 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: want you to put me on one of those like 448 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: boats and then push me out into the error and 449 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: just light me on fire. 450 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: Do you really think a beautiful idea is when people 451 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: kind of control the narrative, like set something up and 452 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 2: make it a party or make it a thing so 453 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 2: that their personality is filtered through and people get to 454 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: kind of be in there and celebrate that and have 455 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 2: their last moments with someone that's no longer there. But 456 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 2: I mean, obviously not everyone has that opportunity to know 457 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 2: and to prepare for it. But I think that's really 458 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: cool if doing that. 459 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, what if after my funeral there's everyone's called 460 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: into this room and this TV's world out or wheeled out, 461 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,439 Speaker 1: or this screen comes down and it's I go listen, 462 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: you fucking whiny pussy, stop fucking crying, pull your heads in. 463 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: It's just a bloke. I did my thing. You knows 464 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: I love you. 465 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: Have you've seen ps I Love You? 466 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: Yeah? 467 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, best movie ever? You could do that for all 468 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: of us? 469 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: Oh no, what did you say? Ps I love you? 470 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 2: Ps I Love you? Yeah? It's got Gerard Butler in 471 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: a beautiful man he is, and he passed away. 472 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: And oh is he that kind of big ish, goofy 473 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: looking British guy or German. 474 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 2: Guy or he's I think he's Irish or Scottish or 475 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 2: something not. 476 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: Good That that was. I don't mean like he's like 477 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: like a bit like he's definitely not an ugly man, 478 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: but he's not your conventional Hollywood. 479 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 2: No, nah nah, but his every bit is beautiful and 480 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 2: he's so beautiful in that movie. And he just keeps 481 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: he has all these pre written and recorded, and he 482 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: sends letters for after he passes for his wife to 483 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 2: just keep her. Kind of it's such a harden to go. 484 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,479 Speaker 1: That would kill me. See, I'm shit at that, Like 485 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: I'm the biggest baby of all time. You know those 486 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: videos where dads come home and a few of them 487 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: are Mum's coming home from war. I'm fucked. I'm fucked. 488 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: I definitely watch that movie. 489 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: Then, oh, you know, the dad comes in and he's 490 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: five year olds in great prep and he turns around 491 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: and sees his dad and then just starts balling and 492 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: then stands there for a moment like doesn't know what 493 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: to do, then sprints to his dad and leaps three 494 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: meters onto his dad's I'm fucked. It's all over. I'm out. 495 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: I'm like And the same with dogs, What about that dog? 496 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: What about that story about the dog? I don't know 497 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: where it is. It's true story, though, And he used 498 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: to go to the train station every morning with his dad, 499 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: who would go to work, and then every night and 500 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: he'd just wait there and his dad would come home 501 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: from work, and then they'd go home together, went to 502 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: work one day, didn't come back. The dog stayed there 503 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: for years until he died, and then they'd put up 504 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: a statue of the dog in the town. Like he 505 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't leave, Like he just stayed at the train station 506 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: for like seven years or something, waiting for his dad 507 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: to come back, or his owner, I call him his dad. 508 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Dogs are the best I know. 509 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, so well yeah, all right, well maybe 510 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: this is pretty morbid, isn't it. We could call it 511 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: harps will have a funeral, it's okay, and then in 512 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: brackets hopefully no time soon. 513 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 2: Do you know how many people? Yeah, I was gonna 514 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 2: say you better put something. People read the title and 515 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: be like, oh god, what's happened? 516 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, I would not do that, even as 517 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: even I wouldn't do that I'd rather write to count 518 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: shit fuck motherfucker before I put that. So, yeah, that 519 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: would imagine doing that to people, or some might. 520 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: Go, yay a volcano, guys, guy that wanted to drop 521 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: you over. 522 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: A volcane, Yeah, mister, I want to drop you into 523 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: a live volcano. He would probably rejoice. There's a few people. 524 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: I still get a few. That's all you people, that's okay. Yeah, 525 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: Well how old are you now? 526 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: Forty two? 527 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: Well you're about You're probably going to make a good ninety, 528 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: so you're not even probably At the heart of this 529 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: is the thing. 530 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 2: I remember sitting a few years ago, sitting on the 531 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 2: couch with a friend, and i'd had on my show. 532 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: I'd befriended her in the dog park, first dog park 533 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: friend i'd made, and I remember not long after meeting her, 534 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: she'd gone on a whole day. She'd taken a couple 535 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: of months holiday and I find out years later that 536 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 2: was brain surgery with Charlie Tew. Actually she had went 537 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: and had brain surgery, and she'd she'd had this condition 538 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 2: for years and had a plan of whether or not 539 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: she would you know, she didn't make it. She had 540 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 2: everything planned out, but she and after I had her 541 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 2: on the show for conversation. We were talking about it. 542 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 2: We're talking about the grief that she needed to process 543 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: for years of her life, that kind of she was 544 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: on hold waiting for these misdiagnoses. And I'm like, the 545 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 2: funny thing is we're sitting here having it. Not funny, 546 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: but we're having this conversation and people would do this 547 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: all over the world, and we're because of something that 548 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 2: you have gone through. Like I could be sitting there 549 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 2: with stage four cancer I don't know about and I 550 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 2: could be dead in two months, but we just don't know, 551 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: and we yeah, that's morbid. 552 00:31:55,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, real, well, it's possible. I had I'm going to 553 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: throw one of my friends under the bus, right, how 554 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: bloke is this? So one of my mates, his name's 555 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: Dean Dino, Dino the Builder. If somebody knows Dina Arnfield 556 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: the Builder, just give him a shout out, tell him 557 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: to listen to this, because he's a big, lovable, fucking idiot. 558 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: So we used to train together. He used to train 559 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: at one of the gyms that I managed when I 560 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: was younger, and we've stayed in touch and he's a 561 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: real blokey bloke bloke right, So he's a builder, but 562 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: about he was one of the oldest guys to get 563 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: into the fire brigade as well, so I think he 564 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: became a fiery when he was like forty three or four. 565 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: But he's like this elite athlete and so he's been 566 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: in he's probably fifty seven now. He's probably been a 567 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: fiery for like fifteen years and still does building and 568 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: all of that shit. Bloke manny man man And anyway, 569 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: I saw him at the cafe the other day. I 570 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: was just doing my thing and he sits down. He goes, oh, 571 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: you meeting anyone. I go nuh. He goes oh cool. 572 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: So we just sit there and we talk and we're 573 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: talking about for now, and he goes, I will have 574 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: to catch up one night for some food, like you 575 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: and me catch up food. I'm like, of course that'd 576 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: be great. And he goes, yeah, well you know, let's talk. 577 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: And I go sure. I go, well, how's next week 578 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: and he goes, ah, nah, next week's no good. I 579 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: go all right. He goes, no, I got to go. 580 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I got to go get a thing done. I go, 581 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like I'm curious. I go, I've got to 582 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,959 Speaker 1: go get a thing done. All right, that's such a 583 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: fucking dean thing to say, what are you doing, Deani? 584 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: Are you getting your nails clipped? Are you're getting gromets 585 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: in your ears? Are you getting your nasal hairs plucked? Like? 586 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 1: What is going on? He goes, oh, I just got 587 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: to go to hospital for a bit. I go, yeah, cool, 588 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: what for? He goes, oh, I'm getting the kidney removed. 589 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, you could have led with that. That 590 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: could have been the headline kind of conversation topic. And 591 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: he goes, I go, you're getting a kidney removed? Like 592 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: this dude doesn't drink much, doesn't smoke, supremely fit. I go, 593 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: why are you getting a kidney removed? He goes cancer? 594 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: He goes all right though, and I'm like, it's just 595 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: so funny anyway. So it's it's well, you know, but 596 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: he's got kidney cancer. But he's like, oh, it's contained. 597 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 1: They're pretty sure it's contained. And I'm like, fuck now, 598 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's so funny and not saying anyone's good 599 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: or anyone's bad, but the way that some people and 600 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't in denial. He wasn't, I mean, he just 601 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: wasn't legitimately wasn't worried about it. I go, are you worried? 602 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 1: He goes, nah, nah. I'm like what why not? And 603 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: he's like what can you do? He goes, well, they'll 604 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: fix it. It's like, you know, it'll be a right. 605 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it will be all right. But yeah, 606 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: just that where I'm that always amazes me, Like the 607 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: human condition and the way that we respond and the 608 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: way that you know, we tell ourselves stories and the 609 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, the the pause between or the gap between 610 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 1: stimulus and response, like the stimulus in this case being 611 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: hey you've got kidney cancer, we need to take your 612 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: kidney out. Response all right? When you know it's like 613 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: that's that's something that most people would not do. 614 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 2: What do you think your response would be to something 615 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 2: like that? 616 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: It would not be that good. I would like to 617 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: think I'd be a fucking hero. M I I think 618 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: after a little while I would be fine. I would 619 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: probably be a bit shocked, like I think everyone. I 620 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: don't know, like. 621 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 2: Would you be be strong or would you lean on people? 622 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,479 Speaker 2: Do you think? 623 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't think i'd want to lean on people. I 624 00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 1: just don't. I don't know. I know that sounds I don't. 625 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Like I'm trying to be as absolutely 626 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: honest as I can because part of you, you know, 627 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to say what I think I sound 628 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: sounds good. I just want to say what I think 629 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: is true. And I think I would be not great 630 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: for a little bit. 631 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 2: Uh. 632 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: I definitely wouldn't tell my parents, not for a while, 633 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: not until. But I don't know. I think I would be. 634 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I could be a fucking idiot, I 635 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: could be a mess, but I think I would be 636 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: all right. And I'm also not I'm not excited about dying, 637 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: but I'm not terrified of dying. Like I think I've 638 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,399 Speaker 1: had quite a good life. Like I think I've done 639 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: good things, and I feel like, you know, I don't 640 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: feel like I'm finished. But everybody's probably driving to work 641 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: going fucking hell. This is the fuck? And can you 642 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: tell a dick joke? God's sake? 643 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:05,359 Speaker 2: Have you felt like that about death? 644 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:05,560 Speaker 1: Thought? 645 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 2: Was there a time when you feared it or got curious? 646 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,760 Speaker 1: No? Not really, I mean I've no, I've always been 647 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: okay ish with it. You know, there was a time 648 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:23,919 Speaker 1: when I was really, you know fully, down fully down 649 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,839 Speaker 1: the god path where if you had have said you're 650 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,400 Speaker 1: dying tomorrow, I would have gone for gidiot, because I 651 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: your sheep. For Jesus oh one was positive. I was 652 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: going to somewhere better. Fair to say that positivity is 653 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: slidden a little, but I don't know, and that's not 654 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: too I don't mean that disrespectfully to people who have 655 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: a particular faith. I just don't like the certainty that 656 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: I had I don't have. But it's not to say 657 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: I have no faith, you know. And it's like the 658 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: intersection of knowledge and awareness and science and critical thinking 659 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: and faith is an interesting intersection because you're literally saying, 660 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: I'm open to the idea that this thing that is 661 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,759 Speaker 1: based on this scripture or that scripture, whichever book you're 662 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: talking about, whichever religious text you subscribe to that talks 663 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,839 Speaker 1: about the afterlife or what happens when you die, you're 664 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: opening yourself to that. And I think it's you know, 665 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: it's it's a challenge because you don't want to be uh, 666 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: what's the word like? You don't want to be naive 667 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: and gullible, right. You still want to think critically, You 668 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: still want to choose your beliefs, You still want to 669 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: choose your faith, but also as somebody who is really 670 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: curious and has a real life built around learning, I'm 671 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 1: well aware that I, of all there is to know, 672 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: I don't know anything. Like of all there is to know, 673 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm I am truly convinced I don't know one percent 674 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: of it, and trying to understand what is beyond what 675 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: I can understand, trying to comprehend, you know, like we 676 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: talk about knowing an intelligence and awareness, like we have 677 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: a monopoly on all there is to know about what 678 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,880 Speaker 1: the fuck exists in the universe. We don't know. We 679 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 1: just know what we know, and even then we get 680 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,720 Speaker 1: most of that wrong eventually. So yeah, I And also 681 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, so many people who have in inverted commas 682 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: had and what they call an NDA near death experience 683 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 1: who a lot of people say, like really really really 684 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: similar stuff, and you're like, I don't know, I don't know. 685 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that's just you know, chemicals flooding the brain as 686 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: you're being deprived of oxygen and dying and you have 687 00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: the best hallucinations of all time, or I don't know, 688 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, but we had I can't remember his name, 689 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: I should, but a guy who literally had who was 690 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: a neurosurgeon. I think he was a neurosurgeon who himself died, 691 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: and he was an absolute atheist and non believer, and 692 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,959 Speaker 1: now he's fully convinced that that there's life after death, 693 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, one hundred percent, and he was one hundred 694 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: percent the other way before his NDE. 695 00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 2: It's also something that doesn't become relevant to us unless 696 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 2: we until it does. Like I don't if you're just 697 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 2: living life and do anything and you don't need to 698 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,839 Speaker 2: lean on faith or curiosity around it, and then at 699 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 2: some point something happens, you face something and it becomes 700 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 2: what hope becomes a necessity. It's like, well if I 701 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,279 Speaker 2: can lean on, oh, that gives me hope, So I 702 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:16,920 Speaker 2: lean into it, and then all of a sudden, I 703 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 2: have a belief. So many people hit rock bottom and 704 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,439 Speaker 2: then find faith or find something. Yes, it was always there, 705 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 2: they just didn't need it. 706 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: That's true, Yeah, I think. I mean, I I don't know, 707 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: because I grew up in a very religious and then 708 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: eventually somewhat spiritual kind of spiritually curious kind of environments. 709 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: And I've spent at least half of my life immersed 710 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:48,799 Speaker 1: in a particular religious particular religious or spiritual paradigm that 711 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:54,760 Speaker 1: I'm not currently in. But I think this sounds weird. 712 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 1: Having said everything, I just feel like just keeping the 713 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: God card in your back pocket as like a bit 714 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 1: of a safety in it probably not a good idea, 715 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like the joker, you 716 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,800 Speaker 1: know in cards. Yeah, I don't know. To me, that 717 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: seems I don't know, there's just something my intuition or 718 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: whatever it is. I feel like just going. You know, 719 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 1: there's and there's scriptures in the Bible that you know 720 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,839 Speaker 1: like that that some people hold on to that And 721 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,839 Speaker 1: it's almost like, and I know this because I've done 722 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 1: this where you go, oh, I can do all this 723 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: sinning and then I've just got to say this prayer 724 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: and it's a spiritual get out of jail card, you know, 725 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: because essentially the Bible teachers, I don't know what the 726 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,920 Speaker 1: other you know, text teach, but the New Testament anyway, 727 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: not the Old Testament, but the New Testament teaches that 728 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: you're saved by faith, not by works. In other words, 729 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: faith in believing, and it says he who is faithful 730 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,840 Speaker 1: and just, or who is basically whoever confesses their sins 731 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,759 Speaker 1: will be saved, right, irrespective of kind of what you've done. 732 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: And there's an illustration of that when Jesus on the 733 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: cross at Calvary. He's up there with two criminals. So 734 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: he's in the middle and there's a criminal either side 735 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 1: of him, and one of him. One of them asks 736 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: Jesus for forgiveness as the story goes, as the parable goes, 737 00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: and he's been not a great guy his whole life, 738 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: and he turns to him forgives him and says, you'll 739 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: be in paradise with me today, right, and so like 740 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: that's the and that's one of the interesting things about 741 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:06,319 Speaker 1: what Christians call salvation. You can't earn it, yeah, Like 742 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: it's it's a gift. Yeah. Like there's so the salvation scripture, 743 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,120 Speaker 1: which is sorry, everyone, feel free to zone out, but 744 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: the Christians cling to is called John three point sixteen. 745 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: So Matthew Mark Luke John the fourth Gospel at the 746 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: start of the New Testament, as New Testament starts with 747 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: four Gospels, which is four different accounts of Jesus' life 748 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 1: by four different apostles. Right, So Matthew Mark Luke John, 749 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,080 Speaker 1: and John three point sixteen says, for God so loved 750 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that 751 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: whosoever believes in him, that's it, would not perish but 752 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: have eternal life. Whosoever believes that's it. It's not whosoever believed. 753 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 1: It's not whosoever does all this great stuff or ticks 754 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: all these boxes, or you know, goes and works with 755 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: the s or you know, it's just whosoever believes will 756 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,960 Speaker 1: not perish, you know. And so, and I think there's 757 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: much more to it than that, but that is that 758 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 1: is the most famous scripture in christiandom. And you know 759 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: they hang their hat on that a lot. Yeah, So 760 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: it's and again it's all like what do you know? 761 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 1: You go, well, that's just what I was raised in. 762 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: If I was born in another country and my parents 763 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 1: were Muslim, I'd be quoting the is it the Quran? Yeah, 764 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,400 Speaker 1: the Quran? To you you know, it's like if I 765 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: was a Buddhist, I'd be quoting the Buddha. You know. 766 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: It's like, it's just this is what, this is what 767 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: you know, and you become what you've grown up in, 768 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: or you become a version of that. So, wow, how 769 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 1: do we end up here? How did I end up explaining? 770 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: First the first ball books of the Bible, from Death 771 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 1: to Salvation. That's it. Well they might go closely together. 772 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: Who knows why. It's been fun and for everyone who's 773 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:20,719 Speaker 1: now a little bit sad. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'd love 774 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,760 Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts around this. Everyone. So new project 775 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: you know podcast Facebook by the way, just out of 776 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: and probably there's two people listening. But a whole bunch 777 00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: of new dates of new exciting events coming up, which 778 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: is going to be launched soon. We've got a new 779 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: mentoring group coming up at the end of this month. 780 00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: But we've got some which if you want to be 781 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,600 Speaker 1: involved in that. It's eight weeks. The new mentoring group 782 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: got to my paid my website Craig Garba dot ned 783 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,480 Speaker 1: to have a look at that. But maybe more importantly, 784 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: we've got some face to face humans in an actual 785 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: room and we go on all around Australia and then 786 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,840 Speaker 1: the end of the year we're doing We're doing a 787 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 1: bloody retreat. We're doing a bloody retreat. I can't tell 788 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,279 Speaker 1: you where it is, but I will say it's very 789 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,880 Speaker 1: fucking morm and sunny. I can't tell you where it 790 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:19,200 Speaker 1: is may rhyme with beans land may but I can't 791 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:20,759 Speaker 1: because militia will shoot me. 792 00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,920 Speaker 2: If it's been great banks Herps, I can't wait to 793 00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:26,959 Speaker 2: go to Beansland,