1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: There's no pressure of a marriage, so we can really 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: focus on our relationship and friendship. We both believe that 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: we were meant to be in each other's lives for 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: a reason, and this is the reason. And having that 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: fifteen year relationship and experience with each other has developed 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: this to what it is today. 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to separate bathrooms. We would like to 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 2: acknowledge the Gadigor people of the e Or nation, the 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: traditional custodians of this land, and pay our respects to 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: the elders, both past and present. 11 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: I'm cam daddo. 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: I'm Ali daddo. Do you reckon we need to introduce 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 4: our names at the top every time? 14 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: Well? 15 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: Why not? 16 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: Because I reckon? The way I was trained is there's 17 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: always a first time. That's right, That's right, I think 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: first time listener. Yeah, And so it's acknowledging the first 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: time listener for you longtime listeners. 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 5: I apologize. 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 3: I'm Cammy. 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 4: Well, I listened to a lot of podcasts myself, and 23 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 4: so I'm a long time listener to a bunch of 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 4: different podcasts and they never introduce themselves anymore. And sometimes 25 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, like what if I don't remember who 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: are you. I think people don't even speak, Like if 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,919 Speaker 4: it's a couple or three people talking, sometimes one person 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 4: doesn't even get introduced or speak for ages and then 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 4: you hear like another voice coming. I'm like, wow, it's 30 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 4: like a maybe that's like an ongoing conversation. 31 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: For me, it's about being respectful of our listener. Sure there, 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 2: you know, I just want to respect them and go, 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: this is who you're listening to right now, And I'm 34 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: really grateful that you hear. And that's the way I 35 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 2: was trained in this game. You know, I'm really only 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: speaking to one person, and that's you who's listening, and 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: I'm bloody stoked you hear. 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 4: Well. Speaking of respect, I'm going to segue into our couple. 39 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well with endings and beginnings and beginnings and 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 2: endings leading to more beginnings lifestyle relationship cycles. That's today, 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 2: right right. I did write this despite the usual Hollywood 42 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 2: formula of happily ever after. For most people, relationships are messy. 43 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 4: Can be messy, yeah, and we all know that good 44 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: ones and bad ones and some which exist squarely in 45 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 4: the in between. 46 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: And then there's the case of the X can you be. 47 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 4: Friends with an ex ex boyfriend, ex husband, ex wife, 48 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 4: ex partner, ex partner. 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: Some say yes, some say no. We are human, we 50 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: are emotional beings. We are and we are unpredictable. Today 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: we've got a couple that have said yes. 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, there's definitely more to it, so let's find 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 4: out what. Please. Welcome Amy and John O Castano to 54 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 4: the bathroom. 55 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: Guys, welcome to the bathroom. 56 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: Let's get right into it, right, Just run us through 57 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: your history quickly about your relationship and where you're up 58 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: to today. 59 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, okay, Well we met really young, probably about 60 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: what seventeen years age, Yes, he did. He lied to 61 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: me about his age. He said he was two years 62 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: older than what he was, so I am a little 63 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: bit older than him. 64 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: Smooth talking, bust. 65 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so yeah, we've known each other for that long. 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: We were together that whole time. Johnno was in and 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: out of Sydney doing like football, so playing overseas, so 68 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: it's a long distance relationship for a little bit. But 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: then once he settled down here in Sydney, we were 70 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: settled and it was just like everything was, you know, 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: the expected thing to do, like you know, get married, 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: have kids, by the house, all of that sort of thing. 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: So we went on and got engaged. What ten years 74 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: into our relationship about yeah, about ten years on our 75 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: tenth anniversary, probably was in Hawaii. Yeah, so he proposed 76 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: their beautiful posal. It was amazing, and yeah, we got married. 77 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 1: What was that like three years after? 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to remember that. 79 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 6: It's to be honest, I can't remember. Only people get 80 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 6: a tattooed or something that looked down and. 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, so we got married and then it was 82 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,600 Speaker 1: what two years after we got separated? 83 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 5: Separated? 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, did you both know? Did you both kind of 85 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 4: look at each other and went. 86 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: Maybe not? Yeah? 87 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: I don't know. 88 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 6: I guess like my experience would be like it was 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 6: all I've known, like my whole life game. He's obviously 90 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 6: been my best friend and my soulmate for that long 91 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 6: and I don't know anyone else. I think I was 92 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 6: very confused at first, and it was extremely tough, feeling 93 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 6: like I've failed. It was only after I'd done it, 94 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 6: and it took a lot of time for me to 95 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 6: understand myself and why I did that decision, And to 96 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 6: this day, like I understand now why why it had 97 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 6: to happen, Like we're even closer now like we're a 98 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 6: lot closer. We're a lot closer friends, to be honest, 99 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 6: and what we were partners. 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, we work so much better. 101 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: So seventeen you met John, I you were twelve. 102 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: And Harry already I'm twenty one, knows a little bit 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: of Okay, so timeline's a little bit. 104 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 2: We're talking the span of about your friendship and marriage 105 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: lasted about fifteen years. 106 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 5: Yeah that yeah, about fifteen sixteen. 107 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 1: I was yeah, yep. 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: And so now you are not together? 109 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 5: No, correct? 110 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: You with other partners? 111 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, I have. 112 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 3: Do you have kids? 113 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've just recently had my first one, baby Ja. 114 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 6: She's thirteen weeks now. 115 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 116 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, yeah, so thank you so much. It's 117 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 6: quite funny because Amy's actually the god and the godmother 118 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 6: of Little Jail, so that kind. 119 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 5: Of you know, yeah, we got like you know, it's 120 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 5: kind of yeah. 121 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, and Amy and my partner are extremely close friends 122 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 6: and likewise with me and Aaron, Amy's partner. Yeah, it's 123 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 6: quite funny because a lot of people actually think we 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 6: put on this act that we're actually all friends and yeah, 125 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 6: they're like, you guys are just surely doing this life. 126 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 127 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 6: Published in social media I'm like, nah, man, like this 128 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 6: is legit, like actual, like we're actually normal people when 129 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 6: we get along. 130 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: Has it surprised you how much interest has actually been 131 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 4: in the fact that you're a divorce couple that are 132 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: now friends. 133 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I think there's such a stigma 134 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: around that, being like, Oh, anyone that I speak to, 135 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. I won't be able to do that. Oh, 136 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: you're friends with his new girlfriend. Oh I wouldn't be 137 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: able to do that. It's like, what why are you 138 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 1: holding onto so much? Like if you hold onto that, 139 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: I feel like you're not letting go and not letting 140 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: what we have like develop and what it has developed 141 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: into today. 142 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you grew up together. Like that's how Cam 143 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 4: and I feel. I met Cam when I was twenty 144 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: and he was twenty four. Twenty four, yeah, and so 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 4: I feel like, yeah, we grew up together and no 146 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 4: matter what happens, like that's that's just a really special thing. 147 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: You know, you entered into adulthood together, like you two did, 148 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 4: you're even younger. But you know, and if it didn't, 149 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 4: you know, if you're able to move past it ending 150 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 4: in a really horrible way, you know, I know relationships 151 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: go south really bad, but I think you know, what 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 4: do you what do you think that says about divorce? 153 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 4: Then you know about what the world feels about divorce, 154 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 4: that it feels like it should be on bad terms 155 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 4: with your ex. 156 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 5: Yeah. 157 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 6: I think it's just like Gamie was saying, that stigma 158 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 6: that people create, you know, it's kind of that like 159 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 6: as soon as you break up with someone, you never 160 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 6: see them again. For me, I think each individual should 161 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 6: looking a bit deeper and actually remember the positive experiences 162 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 6: that you shared together rather than overpower the negatives once 163 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 6: and I think if you can remember that, like we 164 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 6: had such great times together that I'll never forget, I 165 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 6: think that's kind of built that relation of being best 166 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 6: mates now. 167 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: And I think as well, like when it came to 168 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: the end, the hardest part was we still wanted to 169 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: be in each other's lives, but just not in that capacity. 170 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: So it was like, Okay, if we cut tires, does 171 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: that mean we don't see each other ever again? Like 172 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: what does this mean? That was the hardest part for us. 173 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: I'm thinking about the partners, you know. I mean, it's 174 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: one thing for you two as ex'es to go. I 175 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 2: still really like you, but I don't want to continue 176 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: on an intimate level with you anymore. You are asking 177 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 2: for understanding from the new partner, because I imagine a 178 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: new partner might turn around and go, what do you 179 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 2: still especially I mean not especially in your case. I 180 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 2: imagine you know, I know, guys get a bit jealous. 181 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: So new mate goes, well, why still hanging around with Johnno, 182 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 2: this isn't cool, So how do you navigate. 183 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,079 Speaker 3: That part of it? 184 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 6: When I first got back into the dating scene, anyone 185 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 6: that had an issue with that issue of me and 186 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 6: Amy being best mates, I actually just stopped. 187 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 5: Talking to them as a red flag. 188 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 6: I said, hey, like, this is part of my life 189 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 6: and it's either you go of it or you don't. 190 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 6: And I've actually lost probably about two people that I 191 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 6: was actually talking to. 192 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: I would have thought that would have been the majority. 193 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: As well. Yeah, that was the same for me. I 194 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: was very upfront and quite blunt and being like I 195 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: think because I went through that period as well, I 196 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: discovered myself what I wanted out of a partner. So 197 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I think me being up from being like this is 198 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: my baggage, unpacking it all straight up, and if someone 199 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: did have an issue, it was the same thing. It 200 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: was like, well, this isn't going to work then, because 201 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: this is my life and this is what is a 202 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: part of it. 203 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: There's you know, obviously we heard we've heard a lot 204 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: about Gwyneth and Chris doing their uncoupling conscious. They're conscious uncoupling. 205 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 4: Did you to seek any sort of outside help, therapy 206 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 4: or anything to sort of help you through it? Because 207 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 4: you sound really grounded and smart the way you've handled everything. 208 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 5: Towards the end of. 209 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 6: The relationship, we actually got our relationship counseling, which I 210 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 6: think kind of worked really well in terms of like 211 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 6: understanding emotion and because for me, I'm kind of like 212 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 6: a person that holds holds in a lot and you know, 213 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 6: like a lot of males do. That taught me a 214 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 6: lot to express my feelings on how I'm feeling, and 215 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 6: you know, if I'm not feeling this certain way towards Amy, 216 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 6: like being able to actually tell her without just holding 217 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 6: it in, and she's kind of gone with the flow, 218 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 6: which once again, so many guys go with the flow, 219 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 6: and it's like twenty years down the track they're unhappy 220 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 6: and I think to myself, like, you know, like why, 221 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 6: but yeah, definitely got I've got a bit of help 222 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 6: and did as well. 223 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. And I think, yeah, that couple's therapy that 224 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: we got taught me to listen. He was holding it in, 225 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: but it taught me to listen because you know, as females, 226 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: we're always the right one. 227 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: The record, just correct, correct, You're always the right one? 228 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: Are you in the right place? 229 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: Well that's what we're Yeah. So I think that like 230 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: opened me up to being like, Okay, he's actually, you know, 231 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: trying to tell me something here. Yeah, so that was hard. 232 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: That part was hard. Yeah, of course. 233 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: And how have your families, both your mums and dads 234 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 4: dealt with you guys beings? 235 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: They're like our biggest supporters very much. 236 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 6: So I still go over as well, Yeah, my parents 237 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 6: as well his house all the time. Yeah, which I 238 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 6: think that's such a beautiful thing to say as well. 239 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like, you know, our relationship, well marriage ended, 240 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: not our relationship. Yeah, it doesn't mean everyone else has 241 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: to be. And I feel like at the start it 242 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: was so much like that, like people were picking sides 243 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: and felt like where do I sit here? Especially our staff, 244 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: like that was hard for them in our business. Yeah, yeah, 245 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: in our business, Like people were like, oh, like who 246 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: do I back in? But it's like where good? 247 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 4: At what point did you you started the business and 248 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 4: then you were separated? How soon after the business? 249 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 5: Maybe yeah? 250 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: Probably? 251 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think it was that? 252 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: I mean, because clearly here you were, you were ten 253 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: years together, then you get engaged, then you get married, 254 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: you've started the business. 255 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 5: What was it that sort of kind of just like 256 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 5: teets it off. I'd probably say like, I don't know. 257 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 6: I feel like towards end, there was we felt like 258 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 6: best mates, Like you know, we weren't I remember towards 259 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 6: en we weren't even sleeping together. And I think that's 260 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 6: such a big thing in a relationship. Like you know, 261 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 6: for me, my love language is touch and feel and 262 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 6: I wasn't getting that. And I think kind of once 263 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 6: I started to feel that, I didn't feel valued in 264 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 6: terms of my well what I felt, and then that's 265 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 6: when I was like, oh, you know, we're more best 266 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 6: mates rather than lovers. 267 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 5: But that's how I felt. 268 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same. My love language is touch. So yeah, 269 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: when that connection is severed, it's very hard to I 270 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: think bring that back when you go into like a 271 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: different part or different dynamic which the relationship did. That 272 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: was if you both. 273 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: Reckon, you've got the similar love language, which is and 274 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 2: yet both if you let go, was it because of 275 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: the business got in the way? 276 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 6: Like I remember our relationia like every time that we 277 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 6: got home, it was all about work, work, work, work. 278 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: And we were excited about that. That was like everything 279 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: to us. We were like, oh my god, this is 280 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: what we can do with the gym, what we can 281 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: do to grow up and everything else. But there was 282 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: no other connection like how was your day or anything else. 283 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 6: All. 284 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did. 285 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 6: Everything relationships like you know, having a bit of space 286 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 6: as well, doing. 287 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 5: Your own thing. 288 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: And I would say it was very codependent, very much. 289 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 3: So can you explain what that means? 290 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: It was very much like I wouldn't do anything without 291 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: him and he wouldn't do anything without me, like. 292 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 5: On holidays, all the time together, yes. 293 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Or even out, so when we did it was such 294 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: a different thing for us, Like if he'd go out, 295 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: it'd be like, Okay, what's going on here? Like what 296 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: did I do wrong? But that's normal, that's healthy to 297 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: be without your partner. 298 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, how do you The friendship has evolved since 299 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 4: the divorce. 300 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 6: I'm more open with Amy and telling her like in 301 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 6: terms of my downfalls and you know, for me personally, 302 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 6: when I'm feeling my lowest, when I used to hold 303 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 6: that in more information about that, And I'm so much 304 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 6: more open with Amy now, like she knows absolutely my 305 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 6: whole life, and you know, like if I'm feeling down 306 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 6: from work or you know, I've got a comment and 307 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 6: someone said something, or because I'm such a sensitive soul 308 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 6: that I get it, i feel like I feel like 309 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 6: someone says so and I'm like, oh man, I try 310 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 6: to keep everyone happy. And I think that's probably one 311 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 6: of my downfalls to the air. Like I said, it, 312 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 6: just more open with her, to be honest. 313 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm the same. I think there's no pressure 314 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: of a marriage, like right, there's no pressure to be like, Okay, 315 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: I've got to be a great partner, I've got to 316 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: do this that all these things at home, these responsibilities. 317 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: It's more so we can really focus on our relationship 318 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: and friendship. We both believe that we were meant to 319 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: be in each other's lives for a reason and this 320 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: is the reason. And having that fifteen year relationship and 321 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: experience with each other has developed this to what it 322 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: is today. 323 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: That said, now you've got your new relationship, do how 324 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 2: do you plug in what you learned from this, relate 325 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: this marriage into your new relationship so that that doesn't 326 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: happen again, because clearly, I mean that could very easily 327 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: happen again where you become mates and you're not you 328 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: sort of let that side that matters to you go. 329 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: For me, there was a massive, like probably two year 330 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: discovery period of myself, which I needed because, as JOHNO said, 331 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: we grew up together, so it was very much I 332 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: didn't know who I was without him, and same with him. 333 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: So when I did that, you know, full discovery period 334 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: where it was just myself, I really found out and 335 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: figured out what I value, what I value in a partner, 336 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: and what I will accept and what boundaries I want 337 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: in a relationship. And I think I'm quite harsh on 338 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: that now, like very solid in that, and Aaron is 339 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: very much aware and he's great with it. Like one 340 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: of my biggest values is that I have my own 341 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: life going on and he needs to have his own. 342 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: That's one of my biggest things. Yeah, and he does yah. 343 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 6: With my obviously current relationship with Simone, it's very different 344 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 6: Simone and obviously Amy completely two different people, and we 345 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 6: spend more quality time because we're not talking about business, 346 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 6: we're not talking about anything. We're talking about each other's 347 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 6: you know, what we love doing. And I think, you know, 348 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 6: we're doing a lot, like we've got on a lot 349 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: of holidays together. We're just saying that, you know, we 350 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 6: barely ever got to do sometimes, So yeah, i'd say, yeah, 351 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 6: that's kind of like for me personally what I'm trying 352 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 6: to do now with my relationship. 353 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 4: Good for you, good for both of you. Actually, you know, 354 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 4: that's the only way to grow in a relationship is 355 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: to be in a relationship, you know what I mean. 356 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 4: Take take the good, take the bad, and understand yourself better. 357 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: So I love that you both have done that. 358 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: Because I brought this up with al the other day, 359 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: for us, because people split, and this was maybe in 360 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: preparation for you guys, you know, and talking with you guys, 361 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 2: you often hear. We get along much better now that 362 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: now that we're not married, we don't have the constraints 363 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: of a marriage around us and stuff. And I was, 364 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 2: like I said to Alie, actually, I think it's a 365 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 2: great idea to live, Like why don't we put in 366 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: our marriage that that I'm. 367 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 4: Trying to remember this conversation. 368 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 3: It was one of those. It was one of it 369 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: was a serious. 370 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: Instead of breaking up, instead of splitting up and divorcing, 371 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: let's put ourselves six months down the road, like, oh, 372 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 2: we get along so much better now that we're not 373 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: married anymore, that we don't have that. What are the 374 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 2: constraints that we're putting on ourselves that stifling this relationship. 375 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: Let's live like that now so we don't have to 376 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 2: leave the relationship. Remember that, because I said I have 377 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 2: no intention of leaving our relationship and you said neither 378 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 2: do I. 379 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: And I'm like, wreat what's sitting on us that's. 380 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 2: Creating this feeling that we're like, oh god, it's heavy, 381 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: and I don't want to be that guy that walks 382 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 2: around going on my ball and chains at home. 383 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: Better get a whole past, Better do this. 384 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: I hear it all the time, and it breaks my 385 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 2: heart when I hear it from other men, because it 386 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 2: shouldn't be that way. We choose right to be married, 387 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: and we should continue to choose. And yet you know, 388 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: there's this moment, so you guys chose to walk away 389 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: and still be friends. I would like to be friends, 390 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: be lovers, be the whole thing with ol. You know, 391 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: I want to have the whole kitten caboodle. I want 392 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 2: that we've been together for a long time and things 393 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 2: evolve and things change. Gosh, I've done a lot of 394 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: talking in last minute, do. 395 00:19:58,240 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 396 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 5: I totally understand. 397 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: What do you guys say to that? 398 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 6: First of all, I totally agree, And I feel like 399 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 6: we just put so much pressure on ourselves in terms 400 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 6: of like being like a perfect couple all the time 401 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 6: and trying to impress everyone, and we actually just forget 402 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 6: on what a relationship is. 403 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I totally agree. 404 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I totally agree with that. But I 405 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: think there's more tour in the sense of sometimes connection 406 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: is lost, sometimes your values don't align anymore. You know, 407 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: at the start they might have and at the start 408 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: they did. We were what's seventeen years old, and we 409 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: were like, he's everything to me, and it developed into 410 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: it being that we were everything to each other. Everything 411 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: else didn't matter. But there is a whole other world 412 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: out there that we both weren't exposed to because we 413 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: got together so young. Yeah, yeah, I guess it was 414 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: just our mistake that we didn't allow for those boundaries 415 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: or restrictions to be upfront with them. 416 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I guess you would do it what you knew, 417 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 4: won't you? 418 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: Really? 419 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like that's I think we all just muddle through. 420 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there's things that you know in our 421 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: relationship that I would actually now cringe and just go, 422 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: oh my gosh. 423 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I just was doing what I was like. 424 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 3: It's all how much more sand in this bed? Can? I? 425 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 4: Why did he not wash his feet before he got an. 426 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: It's so true. 427 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 5: It's so true. 428 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 4: Have you found yourself giving advice to people now who 429 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 4: are going through divorce or do you have advice for 430 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 4: people going through divorce? Do you are you become a 431 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 4: bit of a sage for all that now well hit 432 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 4: you on the our show. 433 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: So clearly, yes, a lot of I do get say 434 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: John and I post a photo together, or you know, 435 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: I'm holding Gia post a photo with her or Simmy, 436 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 1: or we're on holidays together. People see that. People just 437 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: reach out and they're like, this is so inspiring. Like, 438 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: you know, I'm currently going through a breakup and I 439 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: just wish to get to that point. But I think 440 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: to get to that point, it's two people that want 441 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: to sure and you cannot control what that other person 442 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: feels or wants, and you kind of have to be 443 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: accepting of that and also allow time to heal. Time 444 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: heals everything. That's what I always say. So I think 445 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: that is the main thing that I would take away 446 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: from from all of that. 447 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's small, you know, I'm like, wow, Like you know, 448 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 6: you know I actually felt that. For me, I've always 449 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 6: said no, not really, you know, I still feel like 450 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: there's part of me that felt that I could. 451 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 5: Have done more. 452 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 6: You know, it's just me as a as a human. 453 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 6: But yeah, definitely, I wouldn't. I just try to stay 454 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 6: away from stuff that I don't know, Like if you 455 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 6: talk about health moness and hey, I'm your guy, you know. 456 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 4: Right that may be a relationship expert. How would you 457 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 4: feel like if Jia, you know, she's sick, she's madly 458 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: in love and she's like this is I want to 459 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 4: be with him forever and ever? 460 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 1: Dad, what happens? 461 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 5: I think d just got a shot. 462 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 4: I mean, our son is he's been with the same 463 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: guy since he was sixteen, and know he's twenty four, 464 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 4: and I don't see it ending. 465 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 5: It's like it's yeah, I. 466 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 6: Guess, yeah, that's kind of one of those things that 467 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 6: you never see ending, right if it was jail. Yeah, Like, 468 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 6: I guess you have to meet the guy and make 469 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 6: sure he's a good person and go for it. Treat 470 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 6: my daughter right, and that's perfect. 471 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's that's as far as you take it. 472 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, right over here will just be like, yeah, 473 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 7: I know, so tricky. 474 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: Wait you wait, get it's such a tricky thing because 475 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 2: especially when the kids are adults, they're adults, you know, 476 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: and they they've got to make their own choice. So 477 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: it's that whole thing about when you talked about acceptance. 478 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: I think that's part of getting older too. It's that 479 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: it's that straddling the line of acceptance and intention. 480 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 3: About what you want. 481 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: You go, okay, because it's tricky because you can't be 482 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: telling what you what to do. You can say, here's 483 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: my thoughts on it. But even then, how do you 484 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: give your thoughts if they ask for it or say 485 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm about to tell you something you want to hear it? 486 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 2: That whole yeah crap. You know, parenting adult kids is 487 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: a tough thing. But we're talking about relationship we're talking 488 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 2: about you guys being in a relationship and falling out 489 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 2: of a relationship and then continuing another one, which I 490 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: think would give a lot of hope for people. 491 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 3: You mentioned the word. 492 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: Values before your values changed, and that might have been 493 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: a cause for what while you guys ended up taking 494 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: separate paths in your communications with people that you're dealing with, 495 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 2: would you say fight for the relationship or what's your 496 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 2: sort of take on that? Having been through what you've been. 497 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: Through now, Yeah, I think you do fight for what 498 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: you want, and if a person is what you want, 499 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: then absolutely fight for it, do everything that you can. 500 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: But I also think there gets to a point where 501 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: that fight just doesn't give any more. You can't give anymore. 502 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: When you get to that point, that's when you kind 503 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: of have to get to that acceptance space and be like, Okay, 504 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: what is next? This is what I want? Maybe that person. 505 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: Because we are dealing with humans and feelings, you can't 506 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: control that at all, and that's where you kind of 507 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: have to go, Okay, maybe there's someone else out there 508 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: that can give me what I want. 509 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's hard to get to that as well, right, 510 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Like to actually understand or like, 511 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 6: you know, the next steps. 512 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 5: So hard for someone. 513 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: To comfortability as well. We were so comfortable our relationship. Yeah, 514 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to rock the bike exactly. 515 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 4: Yes. 516 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: Was it always that way? 517 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 2: That's like, like particularly when when you first decided, Okay, 518 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: I think we need to separate. Was there every ever 519 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,360 Speaker 2: a moment where things got heated and or has it always. 520 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: Been with the Columbia? 521 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 3: So how did you navigate that stuff? 522 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: That was? 523 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 4: Yeah? 524 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: Look, yeah I think, yeah, that was a very bad Sure. 525 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: We actually for socials had to film the day that, yeah, 526 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: we broke up, and then the day after you had 527 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: to come over and film, and we just you could 528 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: tell in every aspect that you know, when I look 529 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: back at it, I'm like, wow, that was such a 530 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: bad day. But we had to get through it, and 531 00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: we did it. 532 00:26:59,680 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 7: Yeah. 533 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 3: Hell did you get through? Because I know people that 534 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: are going through absolutely hell. Yeah, what did you do? 535 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 6: I had to suck it up and I knew how 536 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 6: much obviously the job meant to Amy and I needed 537 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 6: to be part of it. 538 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 5: But yeah, I sucked it up that day. 539 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 540 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 6: Okay, just kind of sucked it up, And it's just 541 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 6: took on all the pain and just like held it 542 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 6: all in and just kind of put compartment. 543 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pretty much with it. 544 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 6: And then as soon as I finished, I just literally 545 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 6: ran out of a Yeah. But you know I felt 546 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 6: the motion as well, like you know, like I cried 547 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 6: as well. It was, Yes, such a tough time. 548 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: Well, there's phases, right, like very like grief loss. You're 549 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: losing something that obviously means a lot to you, So 550 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: there is the phase of like sadness, anger, then acceptance. 551 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of other phases that we 552 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: all went through. But yeah, I think just with that, 553 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: I learned to just leave the conversation if it wasn't 554 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: going anywhere, And we obviously learned that in our couples therapy, 555 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: so kind of like prepping us for that. Yeah, you know, 556 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: just to leave the conversation if it doesn't get anywhere, 557 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: and then you pick it up when you can actually 558 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: talk again, rather than you know, going at it. 559 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: How did you find your therapist? 560 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: I think maybe just I think it was just Google. Yeah, 561 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: a couple therapy Sydney found the right line. 562 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 3: And was it was was it the first one or 563 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 3: did you go through a few? 564 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 1: It was the first one. Yeah, it was the first one. Yeah, 565 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: she's probably listening or it was on zoom, but she's 566 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: probably like, where are those two now? Like they never 567 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: came back and booked an appointment? 568 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: How many times did you go? See it? 569 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 5: Five? 570 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: Five times? And then you go to we did We 571 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: did it ages ago? Remember we did it like ages 572 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: ages ago before our marriage. We did. We saw them 573 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: for like a year. 574 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 5: Yes, we had someone and then we use someone else. 575 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. 576 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, but we still see therapists now. 577 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Like yeah, we both see separate therapists now just to 578 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: work on ourselves. 579 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 4: Yep. Now you do have a baby together in the 580 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 4: sense of your business as you called it before, Yes, 581 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 4: tell us a little bit about that and who what roles? 582 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: Is it like a fifty to fifty business or how 583 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 4: does that work with the two of you? 584 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fifty to fifty. We open up during COVID, 585 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 6: so Jim got twenty three employees. Now when everything was 586 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 6: happening was difficult to like, we spoke about choosing sides. 587 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 6: It's what we always wanted to do together and still 588 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 6: continues to take up our everyday life. 589 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we've grown it from one location to two locations. 590 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: It's now an app as well, so it's on the 591 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: app store, Google play Store, and we also have fitness 592 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: apparel as well. So within that four year span, we 593 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: have definitely grown it fantastic and you both found just 594 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: off like on the same page. Business mind like, there 595 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: hasn't that's been an easy path for you on the 596 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: in the business side of things. Definitely, there's obviously strength 597 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: that Johno has that he pushes me to like way 598 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: over my limits, which is great because it's something that 599 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: he sees in me. He sees that I can do 600 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: more great and believes that I can. Yeah, so you 601 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,479 Speaker 1: kind of need that in your business partner, and then 602 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: the same with him. You know, he's obviously he comes 603 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: to me for certain things, and I obviously give him advice. 604 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think we play on each other's strengths. Yea, sure. 605 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 606 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 2: You talked about before with your employees and friends when 607 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: you split as well, that they didn't know which way 608 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 2: to go, And I mean imagine that must have been 609 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: hard because we live in a society I think where 610 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: people want to be right and they want to make 611 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: someone a. 612 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: Bad guy or a good guy. It's easier to follow 613 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 3: that way was. 614 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: That, did you have to take the people in the 615 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 2: business aside and go and like have a meeting about Okay, 616 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: now we might have split in our marriage, but this 617 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: is how the business is going to go. 618 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 5: We did think how long did I take to do? 619 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 1: It took a while because we still were fit. We 620 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: wanted to have that time to ourselves to be able 621 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: to navigate through what we're actually going through. Obviously there 622 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: were chatter, there was you know, feelings of okay, something's 623 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: not right here, but it was also during COVID lockdowns, 624 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: so people didn't know what was going on, so it 625 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 1: wasn't very apparent to them that something was going on 626 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: with us. Obviously there was feelings, but not a massive amount, 627 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: so we were kind of lucky in that sense. 628 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: You guys are great and brave, and thanks for coming 629 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: on and talking with us about it, because I'm sure 630 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: if you're looking at it from an outside point of 631 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 2: view on Instagram or something, it's like, oh, it's a 632 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: great we're friends, but there's there's a story behind it, 633 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 2: and you weren't hard to It's where you are absolutely 634 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: and I reckon it's really important that people know and 635 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 2: understand that because I can dream into a situation where 636 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: if I might be in a situation like that, I'm 637 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: going God, these two did it so seamlessly, so easy, 638 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 2: But there were bumps and bruises along the way, and 639 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: you did have to have patience and acceptance, and it 640 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: took time. 641 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely, thanks for letting us know that it would be 642 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: really easy to go, oh yeah, it was done. 643 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: Why can't you be like those two and just get 644 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: over it, you know, and let's just move on. Brilliant. 645 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 2: Hey, we do I think called the two minute shower 646 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 2: where we get you to answer questions. 647 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: Quickly, so you're right quick show you. 648 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 3: So you go first time. 649 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 4: What would you say is your best quality? 650 00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 5: God, above and beyond? 651 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, well drive drive. 652 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 653 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 5: What the world needs more of is loving people. 654 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: I was about to say, love, yeah. 655 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 4: Burpies or watching a good movie. 656 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 5: Choose watching a good movie? 657 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 3: Same yeah, same, like it's a burpie. Just you guys 658 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: are in the business. 659 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 2: If you were to choose one exercise to keep you 660 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 2: universally in shape, what. 661 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 3: Would it be. 662 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 4: We're out of the shower, probably running, yeah, running, run. 663 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's good, good mental release. 664 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 8: What would you say running the same change some people universally. Yeah, 665 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 8: go for a swim. 666 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:04,959 Speaker 2: Last question, one word to describe each other hustler Jesus. 667 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: In a good way. Yeah, in the best assert assertive. 668 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's what makes you good business partners exactly. Yeah, 669 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: that's perfect. 670 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: Dream team. 671 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, thank you so much for coming in and 672 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 4: sharing your story. And as Cam said, it's it is 673 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 4: inspirational in the sense of knowing the hard work, the therapy. 674 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 4: We're big proponents of therapy in here. So yeah, thanks 675 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 4: for being honest and sharing what you've been through it. 676 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 4: It's really great talking with you. 677 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,399 Speaker 6: Thanks for having it, and I hope it does help 678 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 6: any couples that have gone for the same thing. 679 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, same journeys us. 680 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, us too. 681 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: Was that surprising for you? 682 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 6: Not? 683 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 4: In some ways may be a little like I really 684 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: valued their wisdom. 685 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:56,040 Speaker 5: Yeah. 686 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,760 Speaker 4: I actually found it really refreshing the way they spoke 687 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 4: about each other and their experience. I mean, it was 688 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 4: certainly different to anything we've done on separate bathrooms. It's 689 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 4: all been about how you fell in love, how you 690 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: stay in love, you know, So that was really interesting 691 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 4: to have that married, divorced best friends still have a 692 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 4: business together. Like I thought that was just a just 693 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 4: an interesting story to listen to them both. 694 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,919 Speaker 3: I wasn't sure what we're going to get. I really wasn't, 695 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 3: and I really enjoyed it. 696 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. 697 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 2: The thing, what's why I asked them at the end 698 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 2: about how easy was. 699 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 3: It, you know, to navigate that and for them to 700 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 3: be so honest. 701 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just go, you know what, we had our sticky, 702 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 2: sticky times. 703 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 3: It wasn't great. 704 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 4: You know. 705 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 2: I loved all that because that, to me was okay, 706 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: not to diminish what they said at the beginning where 707 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: they got to, but to also know that, yeah, it 708 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: is a challenging time and because we are human, we 709 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 2: have emotions and it can be met. Yeah. 710 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 4: A lot about forgiveness, which is love always nice to. 711 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 2: Get Yeah, which is a great It's a really good perspective. 712 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: And look, if you're going through anything like that in 713 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 2: your life, I hope that you gleaned something that there 714 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: is hope. 715 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, for some even if you're not meant 716 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,320 Speaker 3: to be together, that you can actually. 717 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 4: Continue somehow, somehow have a relationship of sorts. Absolutely, Thanks 718 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,879 Speaker 4: everyone for listening. We'll catch you next time. 719 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 5: Bye.