WEBVTT - This OUTRAGEOUS unrealised CGT is everyones problem... PLUS what you can do about it!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Sugar Mamma's Fireplay, the podcast that helps you

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<v Speaker 1>build financial independence, create long term wealth, and protect your

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<v Speaker 1>financial future with smart, mindful money decisions. I am your host,

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<v Speaker 1>financial planner, Canna Campbell. In today's episode, we're tackling something

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<v Speaker 1>that has sparked a lot of concern even fury in

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<v Speaker 1>the financial world. That is the proposed thirty percent tax

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<v Speaker 1>on unrealized capital gains inside superannuation for account balances over

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<v Speaker 1>three million dollars. Now, I know that that number may

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<v Speaker 1>sound far away for a lot of people, including myself,

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<v Speaker 1>but this proposal has serious implications for all Australians, not

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<v Speaker 1>just those with large super account balances. You see this

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<v Speaker 1>potential tax, this changing rules actually represents a major shift

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<v Speaker 1>in how our wealth could be taxed and even a

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<v Speaker 1>road away, and we need to understand what this actually

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<v Speaker 1>means for us and our long term financial security and

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<v Speaker 1>retirement strategies. Now, this episode is not just for people

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<v Speaker 1>with self managed super funds or high balances. This is

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<v Speaker 1>for superannuation account holders like you and I, everyday people

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<v Speaker 1>and of course everyone or anyone who actually wants to

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<v Speaker 1>understand and protect their financial future, particularly if they do

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<v Speaker 1>plan on having a long, luxurious and secure retirement. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into this straight away. Bocome back everyone. As explained,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about this proposed superannuation tax. Now

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly is this? So Labor is proposing from the

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<v Speaker 1>first of July in twenty twenty five, superbalances above three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars will face an extra fifteen percent on unrealized gains.

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<v Speaker 1>The con t reversial part here is the word unrealized.

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<v Speaker 1>The unrealized gains are going to be taxed. So what

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<v Speaker 1>this means is even if you don't actually sell your

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<v Speaker 1>asset within super or even receive any income. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>you know your superannuation own say a property, and it

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<v Speaker 1>grows one hundred thousand dollars just over the three million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar mark, and say it's gone from being three million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars to say three point one million dollars, So you've

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<v Speaker 1>got one hundred thousand dollar game. You might have to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with an additional thirty thousand dollars in tax

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<v Speaker 1>without actually having to sell that property or even receive

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily any rental income from that property. So this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just like a tax increase, it's actually a change in

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<v Speaker 1>the underlying definition of taxable income because normally you only

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<v Speaker 1>pay capital gains tax when you actually sell that asset.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an unrealized definition and this is the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>concern and worry and really what is making me really

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated and angry because what it does is it undoes

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<v Speaker 1>all the trust, all the attractiveness and the value that

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<v Speaker 1>has been built since superannuation began in the early nineties. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this so dangerous? Is this really setting a precedent? Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. You see, Australia's tax system has always

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<v Speaker 1>been built around realized gains, so you know, you only

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<v Speaker 1>once you had the money in your actual pocket after selling.

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<v Speaker 1>So for example, you know, you buy property for say

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred thousand dollars, and then you go and sell it,

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<v Speaker 1>say five years later, for say six hundred thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>you've technically made a two hundred thousand dollars capital gain

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<v Speaker 1>and you would only pay tax on that gain once

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<v Speaker 1>you have sold it. And you would pay tax on

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<v Speaker 1>that two hundred thousand dollars gain depending on your you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how long you'd held the asset for where it's held

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<v Speaker 1>and of course your marginal tax rate. Now, if this

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<v Speaker 1>is passed by Senate, this could actually completely change the

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<v Speaker 1>system because what it is is allowing for taxation to

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<v Speaker 1>be triggered on paper wealth, not real wealth. So even

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<v Speaker 1>though you haven't sold that asset, I'll use that example

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<v Speaker 1>again of that four hundred thousand dollars asset, even though

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't actually technically applicable because we're talking about three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar bounces here. But in that example I just used.

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<v Speaker 1>What this is saying is, well, guess that property you

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<v Speaker 1>bought for four hundred thousand is now worth six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars. Even though you haven't sold it, We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to tax you anyway. So this is the frustrating part.

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<v Speaker 1>You are still expected to pay some tax because of

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<v Speaker 1>the perceived value. Now, if this is past and it's

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<v Speaker 1>put into place, it could spread to investment properties outside

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<v Speaker 1>of super It could include business assets, share portfolios, potentially

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<v Speaker 1>the family home. This is a slippery slope, you see.

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<v Speaker 1>Once this mechanism exists, the future governments can expand it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's think of it as like winning the lottery,

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<v Speaker 1>or being taxed on winnings for the lottery before you

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<v Speaker 1>actual numbers have been drawn. This is not a wealth tax,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fear tax. And at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>does this tax actually encourage us to work hard, contribute

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<v Speaker 1>to our super and actually feel empowered about our financial future.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell no, it certainly doesn't. And this is seriously destructive,

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous and a huge concern for so many people within

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<v Speaker 1>my industry as well as everyday Australians. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about the impact it has on self managed

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<v Speaker 1>super funds, which I see is the biggest worry. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of self managed super funds hold illiquid assets

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<v Speaker 1>and that was probably one of the main reasons why

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<v Speaker 1>they used a self managed super fund because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, flexibility, and they're you know things like property,

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<v Speaker 1>business premises, like commercial property, private equities, you know, including startups.

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<v Speaker 1>And then farmers. There are a lot of farmers who

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<v Speaker 1>actually own their farms within a self managed superfund. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these types of assets cannot actually be sold easily to

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<v Speaker 1>go and pay those tax bills. What this could mean

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<v Speaker 1>is if this is past and a farmer gets hit

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<v Speaker 1>with a bill and the farmer is a trustee of

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<v Speaker 1>the self managed super fund, they could be forced to

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<v Speaker 1>sell that entire farm to cover that tax bill for

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<v Speaker 1>that year on a gain that they haven't actually received. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is another problem that comes on this. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>huge administration nightmare. How are we going to actually understand

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<v Speaker 1>the valuations? This is really difficult. How do you value

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<v Speaker 1>a farm? You know? How do you value a startup,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly you know where it is in its journey and

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<v Speaker 1>the risks it's taken and the debt and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really difficult, and this is also incredibly expensive.

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<v Speaker 1>You would really need to get a highly skilled accountant

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<v Speaker 1>with a really niche you know, expertise to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to do that would be incredibly expensive and also incredibly inconsistent.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you actually know the true value of an

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<v Speaker 1>asset if it isn't actually being sold. There's no one

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<v Speaker 1>actually says they're saying, I'll give you four million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>for that, or three million dollars that or nine million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for that. Like, how do we understand the true value?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what is the formula that we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to use here? And the other big issue, which

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<v Speaker 1>is particularly around startups, which a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the big superannuation funds actually have exposure to, is the

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<v Speaker 1>volatility You know, a business might be worth nothing when

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<v Speaker 1>it first starts up, but it hits gold, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly maybe technology put a huge amount of money into it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden it's gone for being

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<v Speaker 1>worth nothing to say, thirty forty million dollars. That's how

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<v Speaker 1>the volatility can exist for a lot of these, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>venture capitalists. So how are we going to cope with that?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean the whole business gets sold? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine owning a residential investment inside a self managed

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<v Speaker 1>super fund that you set up and it increases in

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<v Speaker 1>value due to inflation, and that just tips you over

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<v Speaker 1>that three million dollar threshold, but you don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>sell it. But you've still receiving a massive tax bill,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you don't actually have the cash within your

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<v Speaker 1>super to actually fund that annual tax bill. So what

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<v Speaker 1>does that mean? Well, you don't have the cash to

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<v Speaker 1>pay the tax bill. You're over the three million dollar threshold.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to have to sell that entire property. Now

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<v Speaker 1>what are you going to do? You can't sell the

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<v Speaker 1>front door, the bedroom, the backyard. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to sell that entire property, which then triggers additional fees

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<v Speaker 1>and expenses like agents, commissions, marketing expenses, legal and so on.

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<v Speaker 1>And now your property you work so hard for in

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<v Speaker 1>your self manister fund, you're out of the market. You've

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<v Speaker 1>completely changed the investment strategy thanks to this tax. Now

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<v Speaker 1>this problem continues on. It doesn't just stop there. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually potentially going to destroy the investment cycle. You see

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of investors actually leverage growth to reinvest, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>equity in property or shares, and taxing before it actually

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<v Speaker 1>has been realized completely destroys this strategy. It completely pedalizes

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<v Speaker 1>that strategic, long term thinking and planning when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to wealth accumulation, and it also encourages this knee jerk

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<v Speaker 1>short term terminism and liquid assets doesn't actually uphold long

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<v Speaker 1>term financial stability, security and independence, which is really concerning.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing we need to think about is this

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<v Speaker 1>three million dollar figure is not indexed, and there doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>seem to be much agreement around considering indexing it. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Three million dollars, yes, it is. It is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money to happen superineuration. And you know, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got three million dollars in super you've worked hard, you've

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<v Speaker 1>done well, You've made some great decisions. Now, if this

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<v Speaker 1>stays in place and is not indexed over the next

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty years, more and more of us will actually

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<v Speaker 1>have three million dollars SUPER. And if you ever played

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<v Speaker 1>around with my superannuation calculators on my website, you'll see

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<v Speaker 1>that a three million dollars superannuation account balance isn't unfathomable.

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<v Speaker 1>Hard work, dedication, commitment, you could have a three million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars in SUPER and then new factor in things like inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>compounding returns, regular contributions. You're SUPER guarantee, which is now

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<v Speaker 1>up to approaching twelve percent. From the first of July.

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<v Speaker 1>More and more people are going to hit this threshold,

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<v Speaker 1>which includes younger investors, younger investors who have made brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>smart investment decisions. You could hit that three million dollars fast,

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<v Speaker 1>sooner than you realize. And then what about women, Women

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<v Speaker 1>who have previously been impacted by Super working so hard

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<v Speaker 1>to now build up they're Super consistently contributing investing, making

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<v Speaker 1>great decisions, getting quality advice. They can also be caught

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<v Speaker 1>up on this. Imagine that you work so hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get your SUPER back on track and then you get penalized.

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<v Speaker 1>This disproportionately impacts responsible investors like you and me, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is so fucking messed up. Now, the AMP Deputy

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<v Speaker 1>Chief Economist, Diana Mussina, she did some modeling and she

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<v Speaker 1>actually showed that the average twenty two year old is

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to be hit by this exact tax by

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<v Speaker 1>the time they go to retire. So if you're thinking

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<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be something your kids need

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<v Speaker 1>to worry about, grandkids or even like you, you are

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<v Speaker 1>so wrong. We've all got to wake up and put

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<v Speaker 1>our hands up in the air and jump up and

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<v Speaker 1>down so this doesn't actually get past. There's also the

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<v Speaker 1>psychological damage here and being the impact on our confidence

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<v Speaker 1>and our fucking trust in superannuation. And I'm sorry just

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<v Speaker 1>where but this is just disgraceful. I feel like this

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<v Speaker 1>is like daylight robbery that's happening right now. So superannuation

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<v Speaker 1>was designed to be predictable, it was designed to be

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<v Speaker 1>for the long term, and it was also designed to

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<v Speaker 1>be fair. There's also the obvious this was designed to

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<v Speaker 1>actually make people be financially independent, not rely on the government,

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<v Speaker 1>so destroying people's superinnuation seems completely counterintuitive. But anyway, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I digress. So superinheration back when it was created in

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineties was designed to empower people like you

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<v Speaker 1>and I to create our own financial dependence and today

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<v Speaker 1>control of our money because we can pick where that

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<v Speaker 1>money is invested. This rule change mid game makes me

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<v Speaker 1>and I think everyone else feel unsafe. It feels erratic,

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<v Speaker 1>and it feels cruel. It's like a fucking punishment. Australians

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<v Speaker 1>may react in a really negative way, and that is

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<v Speaker 1>pull their money out of superannuation if they can, which

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<v Speaker 1>could weaken the entire system. They could pull money out

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<v Speaker 1>of property, money out of the share market, money out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Australian economy, the economy, our economy, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would then impact our productivity and growth. And to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're one of these people that's thinking, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was thinking of doing, Canna, I don't blame

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<v Speaker 1>you for thinking like that. It's not what I'm obviously recommending,

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<v Speaker 1>but you start to think, well, okay, what should I

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<v Speaker 1>be doing elsewhere? Because I definitely don't want to remintain

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<v Speaker 1>this commitment to my sexy superinnovation because it's certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>looking as sexy anymore. If this does get past. So

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<v Speaker 1>if people stop trusting the rules, they start looking for

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<v Speaker 1>ways outside of the system. Money will go offshore, people

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<v Speaker 1>will start utilizing family trusts and private lending. The damage

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<v Speaker 1>done to our economy could be irrepairable or because of

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<v Speaker 1>this one stupid change in rules is a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>like a marriage between you and your retirement. If you

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<v Speaker 1>keep changing the rules, you start to wonder whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth actually staying in the relationship anymore. And as angry

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<v Speaker 1>as I am, I don't want anyone's eyes wondering. Because

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<v Speaker 1>under the current system as it is today, without this

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<v Speaker 1>stupid rule in place, superannuation is still sexy. It helps

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<v Speaker 1>create financial stability. It also takes away temptation to go

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<v Speaker 1>and blow that money and spend that money when it's

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<v Speaker 1>for our long term financial security, freedom and independence. So

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<v Speaker 1>why would we want to go and mess with it?

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<v Speaker 1>Especially when our system, our superannuation system that is is

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<v Speaker 1>known as being one of the best in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really admired, respected and there are a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of other countries really looking into what we do and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing how they can incorporate it in their own country.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's keep moving on this, because whilst I like

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the problem. I also like to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about solutions, ideas and strategies. So what can we do? Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, we've got to stay informed. This policy is

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<v Speaker 1>still a proposal, it's not actually more yet. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>to go and talk to your financial planner and your

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<v Speaker 1>accountant sooner rather than later, talking to them about super splitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this something that you can do? You know, depending

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<v Speaker 1>on how many members you've got and obviously how much money,

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<v Speaker 1>and if your partner is in your superannuation. Looking at valuations,

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<v Speaker 1>self managed superfunded valuations, looking at liquidity strategies, particularly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at making sure that you've got cash and perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the strategy now changes so that you're not making new investments,

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<v Speaker 1>you're perhaps piling up cash and letting it sit in

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<v Speaker 1>the self mattered super fund. Also looking about tax planning,

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<v Speaker 1>looking at potentially shares Australian shares with franking credits that

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<v Speaker 1>can help reduce that tax. Or you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are over preservation age, which promotivus is around about sixty

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<v Speaker 1>or above, perhaps you need to look at taking some

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<v Speaker 1>money at a superannuation. But of course don't go and

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<v Speaker 1>do that without professional and formal advice from your accountant

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<v Speaker 1>and your financial planner. You also may want to look

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<v Speaker 1>at maybe looking at some more liquid assets. If your

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<v Speaker 1>self managed super fund is predominantly filled up with property

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<v Speaker 1>like commercial property or residential property that's not liquid, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>you need to start including other assets that you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually sell one hundred thousand dollars worth or ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars worth, or you know whatever you need to potentially

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<v Speaker 1>fund these things that you're not ever backed into a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where we have to sell the whole entire property.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing you want to be talking about, your

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<v Speaker 1>financial planner, where is looking at assets for your investment

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<v Speaker 1>strategy or retirement strategy that are perhaps less volatile, so

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't need to worry about a spike in

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<v Speaker 1>volatility where it pushes you over temporarily over that three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollar threshold triggering this tax for you. Perhaps you

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<v Speaker 1>need to look at more boring, stable, less volatile and investments.

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<v Speaker 1>Perhaps this really is important to you. Know, it pays

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<v Speaker 1>to be prepared, and you know this is not a

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<v Speaker 1>time to panic, but it's certainly not a time to

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<v Speaker 1>stay silent because this is grossly unfair to all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, you pick up the phone, write a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to your MP. Policies like this shouldn't ever be rushed,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like this is being rushed through at

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<v Speaker 1>a disturbing, concerning rate. So as I wrap up today's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I have literally like spattal over my

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<v Speaker 1>mirancrophone because I got in so passionate about this. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether your superbalance is thirty thousand dollars or three million dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>this proposed change should really concern you. This may look

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<v Speaker 1>like a rich person's problem, but if it is past,

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<v Speaker 1>it is going to eventually impact all of us. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't just about tax It's about changing the rules

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<v Speaker 1>of the game, shifting the burden and punishing the very

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<v Speaker 1>behaviors that we're actually trying to encourage, like long term planning,

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<v Speaker 1>financial independence, growing your future wealth responsibly so that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't end up on the government demanding an age pension

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<v Speaker 1>every single year. So I'm sorry if I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit passionate. I'm sorry if I've offended you with

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<v Speaker 1>my swearing. I promise you I wasn't trying to scare you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to empower you. I want to help

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<v Speaker 1>you understand what is happening and why your voice and

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<v Speaker 1>your plan matters more than ever before. I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>you to wake up one day go gosh, what's this tax?

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<v Speaker 1>Why am I now being asked to pay this tax?

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<v Speaker 1>What's this all about? And think why didn't Cano ever

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about this? Well I am. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 1>right now so that we can do something and hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>get it shut down for good. Now, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>one of those very fortunate people who does have three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars or more in super can, I strongly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>getting advice, not advice from influencer or from listening to

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<v Speaker 1>a podcast like this or reading a blog post, go

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<v Speaker 1>and get personal advice professional advice from your accountant and

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<v Speaker 1>your financial planner as soon as possible. Whilst this may

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily be passed, it may be delayed for a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit in past, say in six months time or

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<v Speaker 1>a year's time, it is still worth getting proactive advice

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can make any recommended changes smoothly while

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<v Speaker 1>being completely informed and knowing what is best for you

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<v Speaker 1>and your goals, and of course all the costs and

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<v Speaker 1>risks involved. So all right, let's keep the pressure for

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<v Speaker 1>as smart, successful superanneration policy as it should be, and

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<v Speaker 1>as well, continue to invest with purpose, keep an iron

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<v Speaker 1>our economy and what's right for everyone, and support productivity

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<v Speaker 1>and innovation in this country. Now as always, as a

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up today's episode, keep that financial fire burning right within.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Sugar Mamma's fireplay.