WEBVTT - Jojo Siwa and Kath Ebbs' Breakup Has Every Gay Talking

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<v Speaker 1>I record this podcast on Gaetigo Country. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>pay my respect to the traditional custodians.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm recording on Urando Country, part of the cooler Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're going to dig this. It's like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been given like an extra sprinkle of something.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got layers, Yeah, I got layers. I was just thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.

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<v Speaker 1>You make a lot of sense to that girl. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at us in our little love era.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a lover.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm loving seeing you online with your girlfriends. It's so

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<v Speaker 1>nice to see. I feel like.

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<v Speaker 2>When we started this like podcast, I feel like we've

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<v Speaker 2>been on such waves with our relationships like single, dating, single,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, turmoil.

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<v Speaker 1>Well look at you. You're deep. You're like deep in

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<v Speaker 1>love and it's good to see.

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<v Speaker 2>I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>How was being home in Perth?

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<v Speaker 2>It was good, family was good, had some Honestly, mim

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<v Speaker 2>being in a relationship has really like helped me heal

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<v Speaker 2>some of my family relationships and hers actually, so we

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<v Speaker 2>have both had sort of like these She's had like

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<v Speaker 2>this intervention type thing with her family. And then I've

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<v Speaker 2>also had like a reunited like being reunited like after

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<v Speaker 2>years of like not talking, like it's it's been crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like relationship, you know, it doesn't always

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<v Speaker 2>happen like that, but it's been bloody good to know,

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<v Speaker 2>like your family are really supportive of your your relationship Tom,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't that Yeah, And everyone's involved.

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<v Speaker 1>And I should get along with your family.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely. Me and I had our first fight yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun. I'm like a little bit like two

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<v Speaker 2>steps ahead of mir in some cases where like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of things that I need to do or we

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<v Speaker 2>need to do to like, you know, like we're going

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<v Speaker 2>on a road trip. We've got to check the car,

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<v Speaker 2>check the oil, check the water, make sure the dog's okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, et cetera, like have an eskie. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about all of those things, and she's just

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<v Speaker 2>like and I'm like, maya anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually asked her dad. I was like, can we

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<v Speaker 2>come around and you just check me as car and

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<v Speaker 2>make sure it's okay. Like she's got a fucking Suzuki

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<v Speaker 2>Swift and my driving nine hours, Like who knows what

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<v Speaker 2>that thing can fucking do? You know, got no power anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>She got a Suzuki Swift. We're driving nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Hours, like the littlest car ever.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I've been in the back of it. My

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<v Speaker 1>knee's hitting, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, right, so like and so Dad's like trying to

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<v Speaker 2>fix this. You know, she doesn't have any squirty thing

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<v Speaker 2>for and it's raining the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>So she doesn't have any squirty things, you know, like that,

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<v Speaker 1>can you come check the squirty thing?

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<v Speaker 2>And the windscreen? Wife is doing this and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm so annoyed. She had no fluid,

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<v Speaker 2>like her oil was low. It was a disaster.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you want to say to her, your raggedy

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<v Speaker 1>ass car and gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did say that in a different way. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>this little bomb man going.

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<v Speaker 1>Overwhere we're gonna get the camera. She's gonna be asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>So Dad's trying to fix things, and his dad's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's like really expressive, and he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's in it. Like she gets her acting vibes

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<v Speaker 2>from a dad I reckon. Anyways, and she's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>help us, and she's like getting over stimulated. But I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I've asked him you fuck off, like just go do

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<v Speaker 2>your own thing. Let us do this, and she wants

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<v Speaker 2>to be a part of it, like constantly yelling at

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<v Speaker 2>him like don't do that like that way and you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna break something. I'm like, oh my god, I like

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<v Speaker 2>bit my tongue and I was like, thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 2>my girl, like appreciate it. Got in the car and

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<v Speaker 2>I said, babe, you need to not lose your shit

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<v Speaker 2>at your dad like he's trying to help us. It

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<v Speaker 2>just comes across. And this is what I said, word

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<v Speaker 2>for word. I said, it just comes cross a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit ungrateful.

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<v Speaker 1>What did she say?

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<v Speaker 2>She took it personal, but I said to her, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>rather tell you this stuff in person rather than me,

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<v Speaker 2>like it makes me feel. The how it was making

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<v Speaker 2>me feel was uncomfortable because I don't have fucking parents,

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<v Speaker 2>So seeing that and how ungrateful she was being towards

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<v Speaker 2>her dad who was helping us, I was like nnah,

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<v Speaker 2>like I don't. I don't put up with that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like a bit like harsh, but I came

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<v Speaker 2>around and I understood, but like, yeah, it was our

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<v Speaker 2>first fight because she went straight for taking it personal,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, it's not a personal attack. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying to you, like when someone is helping you do something,

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<v Speaker 2>don't like don't knock at them and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like don't be ungrateful, like just appreciate it. And she's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, by I know, like he's gonna fix it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's probably gonna break it before he fixes and

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<v Speaker 2>like just let him and then deal with it later.

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<v Speaker 2>Like she was like so, and then she came around

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<v Speaker 2>and she was like but like we had to do

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<v Speaker 2>full circle, like it got like not hated, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I just just know, like I love you

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<v Speaker 2>so much, but that behavior I won't accept. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 2>Pete was trying to help me do something like Pete,

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<v Speaker 2>out of all people, like he's beautiful and me AND's

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<v Speaker 2>dad is fucking beautiful, like he's so gorgeous, would literally

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<v Speaker 2>do anything like And imagine if Pete was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do something to me and I'm knocking at him like no,

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<v Speaker 2>don't do it like that, don't do it like that,

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<v Speaker 2>now do it like this and this, And then she

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<v Speaker 2>has no idea about any type of car, like her

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<v Speaker 2>oil was low, and I'm like sitting things there, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my god. So yeah, it was a very valid fight,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it was really good for us to

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<v Speaker 2>get our first one out to go. But oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say that video that Danny and you

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<v Speaker 2>folk posted about the divorce, honestly, like, if that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the most accurate thing I've ever seen in my life, hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let me give you some contexts because these videos

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<v Speaker 1>are definitely Danny's idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, who comes up with the ideas most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the time, Yeah, Jenny, Danny. Okay, Jenny, who

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<v Speaker 1>does you know? The editing? And it's his idea and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sort of along for the ride.

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<v Speaker 2>But then and then who gets mad when you don't

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<v Speaker 2>do it the right way?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's a good question. It's normally me. I normally

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<v Speaker 1>have a bit of ego that comes into play, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Okay, the camera angle isn't getting my best

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<v Speaker 1>angle or the lighting star of the show. I literally

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<v Speaker 1>said to him the other day we were videoing us

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<v Speaker 1>doing this video and the angle had like half of

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<v Speaker 1>my bicep cut off, and I was like, Babe, they

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<v Speaker 1>can't see my full bicep. And He's like, you are

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<v Speaker 1>such a loser, I'm quitting. So I'm like, I'm the diva,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the movie star, and he's he's dealing with my.

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<v Speaker 2>Antiques director and editor and everything. Yes, it's so funny

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<v Speaker 2>because like being now in a relationship, me and mem

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<v Speaker 2>have this conversation around content, like, obviously people are you

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<v Speaker 2>know that she got a message the other day saying

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<v Speaker 2>some girl actively goes on both of our profiles to

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<v Speaker 2>see if we've posted anything because she's invested in this relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I don't know if that is

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<v Speaker 2>creepy or cool that people are invested. It is nice,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's like, okay, but we literally drove nine hours

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<v Speaker 2>from Sydney to Melbourne the other day and we didn't

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<v Speaker 2>take a single photo. We were so invested in the

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<v Speaker 2>road trip that we didn't even shoot content. We didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even it's our first road trip. And I'm like, babe,

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<v Speaker 2>did you talk a lot? We didn't even we talked

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time. Wow, Okay, crazy, And that's what I thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's a fine line with like creating content together

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<v Speaker 2>and like say, like having a business, et cetera. Like, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>social media is my business and it's my part of

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<v Speaker 2>my life totally, and it's good to have someone like

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<v Speaker 2>Mim who it's the same and I feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>probably feel the same way, right, yeah, Like, but when

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<v Speaker 2>your whole relationship is public, you're also then open to scrutiny,

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<v Speaker 2>and like that does scare me, But I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I feel very secure in our relationship that we would

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<v Speaker 2>just be really open if anything was to happen. But

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<v Speaker 2>I honestly touched would and like, you know, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>very confident that I can say, like, whatever happens will

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<v Speaker 2>happen for the reason. But you know, we're pretty locked in, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment, and I think for for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really cute. I love that. I think with Danny

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<v Speaker 1>and I, in terms of content, we are very specific

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<v Speaker 1>about what we put out there, Like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Denny's page and my page are completely the opposite. We're

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<v Speaker 1>very different in terms of what.

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<v Speaker 2>We're putting quite a following.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got such a following. And I'm telling you, I

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<v Speaker 1>wake up soon as I post a photo or a

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<v Speaker 1>photo or a video with Denny, I wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>there's like one hundred and fifty Colombian boys following me.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's got his's like, you know, he's God, he

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<v Speaker 1>is following that are just like constantly interacting on his

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<v Speaker 1>social media. So like I've all of a sudden like

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<v Speaker 1>become an influencer in Bloody Columbia.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, he's famous and color.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's so funny. I say to him, Oh, babe,

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<v Speaker 1>next time we go to Columbia, we're gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>get security, like as a joke.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you guys have ticked off some things

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<v Speaker 2>like holidays, et cetera. Like we're at that new stage

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<v Speaker 2>where we're kind of like planning bigger things. Like we

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<v Speaker 2>went to Perth obviously, and that was like a holiday,

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<v Speaker 2>but it didn't really feel like a relaxing holiday, you

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<v Speaker 2>know when you're seeing family and.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff like that. But I've made like a was not

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<v Speaker 1>a choice, but like a commitment to Denny that we

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<v Speaker 1>will get back to Columbia once a year, which is

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<v Speaker 1>super important because he hasn't been able to do that

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. And I said, you know, your family

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<v Speaker 1>is really important. You live so far away from them,

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<v Speaker 1>So every second year we will go for Christmas. So

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<v Speaker 1>this year we're going for Christmas, and that's booked him

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<v Speaker 1>for the end of the year and the start of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six, and then we're also doing Europe together.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's hope that this time spent in each other's

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<v Speaker 1>pockets is gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It will be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm my gosh. I might need to like go for

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<v Speaker 1>a run or go and spend some time by myself.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, that's a hard thing balancing and relationships. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>also just talking about relationships. Me and Mim have been

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<v Speaker 2>so invested in this whole Jojo seewa Cathbs situation. I

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<v Speaker 2>swear to God, every single gay is listening to kath

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<v Speaker 2>Ebbs like whole spill about what Jojo Siwa has done.

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<v Speaker 3>The story goes right now. In the last eight hours

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, I have flown. I flew here and I

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<v Speaker 3>went to the live show to show up for my

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<v Speaker 3>partner and support them in their experience and then obviously

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<v Speaker 3>later on address my feelings of like hurt and like

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<v Speaker 3>work through them like all relationships do. But before I

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<v Speaker 3>could even get back to the hotel, I it's actually crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>went to the after party with with with my I

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<v Speaker 3>guess now X crazy thing to say and was dumped

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<v Speaker 3>in the party. I was told that there are confused feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>Did with that what you will, and that they had

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<v Speaker 3>realized in the house that I wasn't the person that

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted to spend the foreseeable future with.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, you're friends with kath Ibs like you guys know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say we're close, like I have to preface

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<v Speaker 2>and say like we were friends. We haven't hung out

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<v Speaker 2>in like years. But I did send them a message

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I hope you're okay. I've been seeing a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff and a lot of people concerned for Cath. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like I have to reach out and

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<v Speaker 2>just like let them know that I'm, yeah, feeling really

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<v Speaker 2>bad because I think the whole Yeah, I think both

0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.880
<v Speaker 2>of them are really under a microscope right now. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It is crazy to think that, like this was the

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<v Speaker 1>ending that nobody expected, because you know, just in Marti Gras,

0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:53.040
<v Speaker 1>they were together and Jojo was living in Australia, sort

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<v Speaker 1>of living this low profile life and living with Cath

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<v Speaker 1>and having these amazing moments they you know, in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>In Australia performed together on stage at the fair day.

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<v Speaker 1>They looked like the ideal couple and looked like they

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<v Speaker 1>were each other's person. Do you think that JoJo's level

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<v Speaker 1>of fame contributed to the breakup?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, can I be honest and just say I've never

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<v Speaker 2>really been a fan of Jojo Siewell, Okay, Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>think like, and this is only my own perspective, is

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<v Speaker 2>that I have I can sort of see and understand,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I watch Dance Moms and I knew, like what

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<v Speaker 2>Jojo went through when she was younger, and that experience

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<v Speaker 2>would have been crazy. And then having fame that young,

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<v Speaker 2>there's got to be some psychological things that you experience

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<v Speaker 2>and you probably hold on to and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if they've actually dealt with them now being twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>And I.

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<v Speaker 1>Also had wait, she's twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>She's only twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, oh, this all makes sense. This all makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Sie. You don't want to be age discriminatory, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty one, come on, and this fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe twenty seven, twenty eight or something like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>like I have been like not following, but have been

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<v Speaker 2>seeing over the years, especially with TikTok and then like

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<v Speaker 2>Instagram and then also the media. Yeah, Jojo has gone

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<v Speaker 2>from relationship to relationship since she was young, and like

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<v Speaker 2>the controversy around what sex she's gone from pant sexual,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so fine. I know that jet like sexuality

0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:29.680
<v Speaker 2>is fluid, but she has gone from pan sexual to

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<v Speaker 2>being a lesbian to now not being a lesbian, to

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<v Speaker 2>being more just queer, so she's identifying as queer. She

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<v Speaker 2>even explained that she had jumped alphabet like letters, which

0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.200
<v Speaker 2>is so fine, and I get sexuality is fluid. I

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<v Speaker 2>definitely like feel that on so many levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Because honestly, what I will say is, when you were

0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:52.600
<v Speaker 1>doing that, I was thinking, maybe it's just that's the

0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.480
<v Speaker 1>same as you What do you mean, like you've gone

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<v Speaker 1>from a straight relationship to a lesbian relationship to you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So like still bisexual hardly.

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<v Speaker 1>But people could put you in that same box as

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<v Speaker 1>in you've gone from men, you know. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that, Like my.

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<v Speaker 2>Girl friend has expressed it, she's just purely a lesbian

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<v Speaker 2>and she's nothing else where. I'm like, well, I'm in

0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.679
<v Speaker 2>a lesbian relationship where I'm like girl and girl, but

0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I still am attracted to boys, but I'm not attracted

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone else in my relationship. Totally yeahgous, but like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this whole unpacked like like seeing it, like like

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<v Speaker 2>I just folding in front of everyone's eyes. It's crazy,

0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know what I would do if I

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<v Speaker 2>was kath Ev. Danny goes on Big Brother. Danny goes

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<v Speaker 2>on Big Brother UK, you see similar behavior to what

0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Jojo and Chris are, like, what would you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I've had this conversation with Danny and I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why. Because Denny was going to go on Survivor Columbia, right,

0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:09.080
<v Speaker 1>so he applied. There was, you know, a high likeliness

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<v Speaker 1>that he was likeliness likelihood that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be on this show, and we had a conversation around

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<v Speaker 1>what would happen in the house and the Foundation house

0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.880
<v Speaker 1>or the island, it's different. They have a house, so

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<v Speaker 1>the winners go to a mansion and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>completely different setup. So if you lose the challenge, you're

0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:30.960
<v Speaker 1>living in the slums, and if you win, you have

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<v Speaker 1>a mansion where you have alcohol and all the crazy

0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.240
<v Speaker 1>things can happen. Right, So it's like the Big Brother House.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, it's like a Big Brother slash. It

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<v Speaker 2>is Black Slash Survivor.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing is, people get into relationships on those shows

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<v Speaker 1>and they cross lines from what they communicated to their

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<v Speaker 1>outside partner all the time, especially in the Columbia season.

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<v Speaker 1>So we had a conversation around what would happen, and

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about respect, you know. So if he went

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<v Speaker 1>on there and he went against what we spoke about,

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<v Speaker 1>which I'm sure this is what JoJo's done, I would

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely be gut it. I would feel totally disrespected. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on an international level, everyone can see it. I would

0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.960
<v Speaker 1>also feel like they didn't care about me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I feel like keV has expressed in

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<v Speaker 2>their video like they feel humiliated and betrayed. Yeah. Oh

0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.480
<v Speaker 2>my heart breaks. Obviously, it's so hard seeing someone who

0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.480
<v Speaker 2>you were once friends with and like seeing this unfold

0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and not being able to do anything or let them know,

0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:30.760
<v Speaker 2>like I did reach out. But at the same time,

0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.800
<v Speaker 2>you're like, you're just so hard when it's so public.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, So, okay, if you went

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<v Speaker 1>to support your partner at the finale of the show,

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<v Speaker 1>you're there in the audience, you are showing your love

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<v Speaker 1>and then they take you to the after party of

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<v Speaker 1>the show and break up with you at the after party,

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<v Speaker 1>like you could in what world? In what world is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I feel so sick, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>How isolating is that twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four hours from like Australia to London. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the next day yep, hole my, Like I would have

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<v Speaker 2>a pit my.

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<v Speaker 1>What is crazy is that Kath went all that way

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<v Speaker 1>after seeing all the footage, still supported Jojo in the

0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:23.119
<v Speaker 1>moment and then gets burnt. She's totally burnt at the

0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:27.960
<v Speaker 1>after party and dumped. How isolated? How alone would she

0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:30.919
<v Speaker 1>have felt in that moment? You know, It's such a

0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.639
<v Speaker 1>disgusting way to do it. So I really hope that

0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Kath is, you know, feeling all right. And it might

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<v Speaker 1>be that she's dodged a bullet here.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, And like, you know, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I.

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<v Speaker 1>Say, Karma's a bitch and your shirt and I'm better.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also want to get your take on Jojo.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this over the top? I'm you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the CEO of gay pop Vibes. Is this giving yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is this giving desperation? Is it giving pick me energy?

0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:06.040
<v Speaker 2>What?

0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.080
<v Speaker 1>What is it to you? Because to me, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I saw an interview where she said everything that

0:18:11.440 --> 0:18:15.320
<v Speaker 1>was you know, the pr around Karma was her, but

0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.600
<v Speaker 1>then she said everything from that moment forward hasn't been

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<v Speaker 1>her and it's been orchestrated by a team. And these

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<v Speaker 1>are the words that came from Jojo in an interview.

0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:27.080
<v Speaker 1>So I want to want to know like recently, Yeah,

0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it was recently. So she's saying that the whole team

0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.400
<v Speaker 1>has orchestrated this vibe, this bad girl vibe, and it's

0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.480
<v Speaker 1>not really who she's her core, she's a good girl.

0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>She doesn't like going out and getting you know, doing shots.

0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.560
<v Speaker 1>She even spoke about doing fake shots on stage. It

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<v Speaker 1>was apple juice, not patron or something like that. You know.

0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>So she's giving this fake uh I don't know, say yeah,

0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.879
<v Speaker 1>fake persona to the world for what.

0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like I saw like a TikTok video

0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.960
<v Speaker 2>of where Jojo was explaining like she there's two JoJo's

0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:02.080
<v Speaker 2>and like JoJo's like controls her life and then there's

0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.440
<v Speaker 2>like Jojo who is like this type of person and

0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.119
<v Speaker 2>she's just going to get in Taken from.

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<v Speaker 1>Which version did Kath get?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what I mean. Like, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in all honesty, we all have different modes and versions

0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:16.840
<v Speaker 2>of ourselves. Like you had have a presenter mode, you'd

0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.679
<v Speaker 2>have a podcast mode. We all have different modes and

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<v Speaker 2>I fully support that, Like, you know, when your life

0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.320
<v Speaker 2>is so public, you have to be and switch into

0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.280
<v Speaker 2>those different like personas or modes and versions of yourself.

0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.600
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is you can't when it's a part

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<v Speaker 2>of your brand, Like you can just acknowledge that. I think, like,

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:39.879
<v Speaker 2>just that's a part of my brand and it's what

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<v Speaker 2>I do. But I'm just concerned that like Kath got

0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>sold like the show and everything like that, and then

0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:53.120
<v Speaker 2>when it didn't convenience Jojo, Jojo was just to drop them.

0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think like that has been a common trend

0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.879
<v Speaker 2>from Jojo, Like if you look at all of her relationships, Maddie,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go back through a deep dive, like they

0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:08.159
<v Speaker 2>have bounced from relationship to relationship. And I'm not saying

0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.720
<v Speaker 2>like Kath wasn't the one for them. Apparently they had

0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.359
<v Speaker 2>asked Kath to marry them, Like all the controversy around

0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like this relationship, it's it's heartbreaking to see and it's like, well,

0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to have an opinion on the relationship,

0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but I also feel for because it's like one hunt.

0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.920
<v Speaker 2>But like that's what I mean, Like it's so hard

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:30.680
<v Speaker 2>to see everyone also have their opinion, but not, No,

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.120
<v Speaker 2>we don't know what the fuck is going on with them.

0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've never liked Jojo like I'm not That's my

0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:41.560
<v Speaker 2>own opinion on her personality is like I don't connect

0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>with her. It's like similar to Taylor Swift. I don't

0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:46.520
<v Speaker 2>connect with Taylor Swift like come for me Swift is

0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.120
<v Speaker 2>but come for me Jojo Seaer was fans like.

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Does she have any I don't know. Can I ask

0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you a question? You think that this let's call it

0:20:56.119 --> 0:21:01.280
<v Speaker 1>a media relationship, you know, between Jojo and a public

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.399
<v Speaker 1>public relationship, not a media relationship. Maybe people think that

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it's just for the media. No, And what

0:21:06.320 --> 0:21:10.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is this public facing relationship. Do you think

0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:16.080
<v Speaker 1>that Kath was also enjoying the spotlight put on them

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:23.040
<v Speaker 1>during this time? That's an any question. But the reason

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I ask is because people take opportunities. Maybe Jojo wasn't

0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:28.679
<v Speaker 1>the love of her life either.

0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not so connected. The lesbian world is so connected,

0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.600
<v Speaker 2>I must admit, because like the person that actually introduced

0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:36.720
<v Speaker 2>them was g Flip.

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:38.480
<v Speaker 1>There you go, so like.

0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows everyone and I'm like mem and I often

0:21:41.880 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 2>chat about this because it keeps coming up and our

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:46.160
<v Speaker 2>Like we were listening to Cat's video on the way

0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:49.199
<v Speaker 2>on our road trip and I was like, I can't

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.080
<v Speaker 2>help but like break, like my heart break for a

0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:54.800
<v Speaker 2>friend that a person who I knew and like actually

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.840
<v Speaker 2>knew how caring they were. But I also can't sit

0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.720
<v Speaker 2>back and say, well, you did also get into a

0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 2>relationship with someone who like has a track record? Yeah,

0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it has a track record. Isn't the most like mature.

0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I would say, like, has somebody fucking growing up to do?

0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Has some growing up in some therapy. I'm like, I'm

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:17.080
<v Speaker 2>not not gonna be mean here and save anything more harsh,

0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:22.520
<v Speaker 2>but I think like Jojo is giving like like little

0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:25.880
<v Speaker 2>bridy energy and kind of like when she gets into

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a relationship, if it doesn't serve her and it's an inconvenience,

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.480
<v Speaker 2>it's like next this is and that is not good,

0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Like we know and like I'm guilty of it. I

0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 2>have jumped from relationship to relationship, but also I'm seeking

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:40.840
<v Speaker 2>a standard of person that I want to be with

0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:42.760
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day, like I've done the work,

0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 2>But I honestly don't think she's done the work. That's

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:46.200
<v Speaker 2>a big call. That's a big call.

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:48.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I just want to also just go back

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:51.399
<v Speaker 1>to my question around the do I think Cath was

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.199
<v Speaker 1>taking an opportunity this is my opinion, No, this, but

0:22:54.320 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>this isn't my opinion. This is just a question that

0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.959
<v Speaker 1>is out there and it's something that has come up,

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the comment threads. But what I would

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.080
<v Speaker 1>say is that Jojo at the age of twenty one,

0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:10.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, no excuses, but this person is, you know,

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.320
<v Speaker 1>really at a point in their life where they the

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 1>wheels are falling off, you know what I mean, Like

0:23:16.160 --> 0:23:18.680
<v Speaker 1>nobody has their shit together at the age of twenty one.

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm only just starting to figure shit out and get

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<v Speaker 1>to know myself at the age of thirty. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like there's no excuses. But also maybe if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to date someone who is twenty one, these are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that you might come up against. These

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<v Speaker 1>are the risks, you know. And and I feel for Cath.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you know, if she she's been really

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<v Speaker 1>hurt in this, then it's it's absolutely terrible. But also

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<v Speaker 1>I think she might have dodged a bullet, because how

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<v Speaker 1>can you feel secure with someone who's you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>flippant when it comes to relationships. But you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not for us to judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, there's no judgments, no justice. Like everyone is talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it, everyone has an opinion on it, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, take it easy with You know, kath is

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<v Speaker 2>going through a hard time, I think, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>under a microscope right now. Do you think Chris and

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<v Speaker 2>her will end up together?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, no, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know he's thirty two, look and she's twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, age is just a number. My mum

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<v Speaker 1>and dad were thirteen years apart. Once you get over

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<v Speaker 1>the age of eighteen. And I'm not like discriminating against that,

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<v Speaker 1>but what I will say is that there's probably a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of emotions in chemistry that is tied to the

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<v Speaker 1>show that's going to die down, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>find out that, you know, either you know, they really

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<v Speaker 1>like each other or they don't. I think that in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment this was locked in the house, you're locked.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, did you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty days? Okay, that's twenty days so long? I know,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you start saying I love you to someone

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll soon see a play out. But what I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to say is like, you know Kath now

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<v Speaker 1>Kath Ebbs. That name is now in you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>minds and hearts so many people around the world, so

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<v Speaker 1>she could capitalize on this.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kath might get that much pussy after this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be exactly what I mean, Cath get

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<v Speaker 2>all that pussy. Yeah, get a girl. Kath's video after,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, getting like over two hundred something thousand likes.

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<v Speaker 1>They took it down and we took it down. I

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<v Speaker 1>would assume that Kath maybe a season desist.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder or like her, you know what.

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<v Speaker 1>This will come out sixty minutes threat.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be This is honestly, remember.

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<v Speaker 1>When we definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty five highlights, you know, and big moments. This

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<v Speaker 2>is probably one of them. But Jojo Sewa emotional cheating.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that jo made Cath sign an NDA.

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<v Speaker 2>There was some legal threat? I'm gonna say maybe there

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<v Speaker 2>was some legal threat maybe or they took it down

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<v Speaker 2>because but I think they put it back up on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna like, Okay, do you follow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's on Instagram? WHOA Okay? No, that wraps this

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<v Speaker 2>episode of First Things First you've heard it here. First

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<v Speaker 2>Things First, mccathabs Jo want to bunkle. We love a

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