Speaker 1: I record this podcast on Gaetigo Country. I'd like to
Speaker 1: pay my respect to the traditional custodians.
Speaker 2: And I'm recording on Urando Country, part of the cooler Nation.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: I know you're going to dig this. It's like I've
Speaker 1: been given like an extra sprinkle of something.
Speaker 2: You've got layers, Yeah, I got layers. I was just thinking,
Speaker 2: I'm like, we're just such beautiful storytellers.
Speaker 1: You make a lot of sense to that girl. No,
Speaker 1: I'm done.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest to go.
Speaker 1: Look at us in our little love era.
Speaker 2: I love a lover.
Speaker 1: I'm loving seeing you online with your girlfriends. It's so
Speaker 1: nice to see. I feel like.
Speaker 2: When we started this like podcast, I feel like we've
Speaker 2: been on such waves with our relationships like single, dating, single,
Speaker 2: oh my god, turmoil.
Speaker 1: Well look at you. You're deep. You're like deep in
Speaker 1: love and it's good to see.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: How was being home in Perth?
Speaker 2: It was good, family was good, had some Honestly, mim
Speaker 2: being in a relationship has really like helped me heal
Speaker 2: some of my family relationships and hers actually, so we
Speaker 2: have both had sort of like these She's had like
Speaker 2: this intervention type thing with her family. And then I've
Speaker 2: also had like a reunited like being reunited like after
Speaker 2: years of like not talking, like it's it's been crazy,
Speaker 2: Like I feel like relationship, you know, it doesn't always
Speaker 2: happen like that, but it's been bloody good to know,
Speaker 2: like your family are really supportive of your your relationship Tom,
Speaker 2: isn't that Yeah, And everyone's involved.
Speaker 1: And I should get along with your family.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Me and I had our first fight yesterday.
Speaker 2: It was fun. I'm like a little bit like two
Speaker 2: steps ahead of mir in some cases where like I'm
Speaker 2: thinking of things that I need to do or we
Speaker 2: need to do to like, you know, like we're going
Speaker 2: on a road trip. We've got to check the car,
Speaker 2: check the oil, check the water, make sure the dog's okay,
Speaker 2: you know, et cetera, like have an eskie. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about all of those things, and she's just
Speaker 2: like and I'm like, maya anyway.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I actually asked her dad. I was like, can we
Speaker 2: come around and you just check me as car and
Speaker 2: make sure it's okay. Like she's got a fucking Suzuki
Speaker 2: Swift and my driving nine hours, Like who knows what
Speaker 2: that thing can fucking do? You know, got no power anyway.
Speaker 1: She got a Suzuki Swift. We're driving nine.
Speaker 2: Hours, like the littlest car ever.
Speaker 1: I know, I've been in the back of it. My
Speaker 1: knee's hitting, I.
Speaker 2: Know, right, so like and so Dad's like trying to
Speaker 2: fix this. You know, she doesn't have any squirty thing
Speaker 2: for and it's raining the next day.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't have any squirty things, you know, like that,
Speaker 1: can you come check the squirty thing?
Speaker 2: And the windscreen? Wife is doing this and I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm so annoyed. She had no fluid,
Speaker 2: like her oil was low. It was a disaster.
Speaker 1: But like you want to say to her, your raggedy
Speaker 1: ass car and gonna make it.
Speaker 2: I did say that in a different way. I said,
Speaker 2: this little bomb man going.
Speaker 1: Overwhere we're gonna get the camera. She's gonna be asleep.
Speaker 2: So Dad's trying to fix things, and his dad's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's like really expressive, and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like he's in it. Like she gets her acting vibes
Speaker 2: from a dad I reckon. Anyways, and she's trying to
Speaker 2: help us, and she's like getting over stimulated. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: I've asked him you fuck off, like just go do
Speaker 2: your own thing. Let us do this, and she wants
Speaker 2: to be a part of it, like constantly yelling at
Speaker 2: him like don't do that like that way and you're
Speaker 2: gonna break something. I'm like, oh my god, I like
Speaker 2: bit my tongue and I was like, thank you so much,
Speaker 2: my girl, like appreciate it. Got in the car and
Speaker 2: I said, babe, you need to not lose your shit
Speaker 2: at your dad like he's trying to help us. It
Speaker 2: just comes across. And this is what I said, word
Speaker 2: for word. I said, it just comes cross a little
Speaker 2: bit ungrateful.
Speaker 1: What did she say?
Speaker 2: She took it personal, but I said to her, I'd
Speaker 2: rather tell you this stuff in person rather than me,
Speaker 2: like it makes me feel. The how it was making
Speaker 2: me feel was uncomfortable because I don't have fucking parents,
Speaker 2: So seeing that and how ungrateful she was being towards
Speaker 2: her dad who was helping us, I was like nnah,
Speaker 2: like I don't. I don't put up with that. And
Speaker 2: I was like a bit like harsh, but I came
Speaker 2: around and I understood, but like, yeah, it was our
Speaker 2: first fight because she went straight for taking it personal,
Speaker 2: and I said, it's not a personal attack. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying to you, like when someone is helping you do something,
Speaker 2: don't like don't knock at them and like, you know,
Speaker 2: like don't be ungrateful, like just appreciate it. And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, by I know, like he's gonna fix it,
Speaker 2: and he's probably gonna break it before he fixes and
Speaker 2: like just let him and then deal with it later.
Speaker 2: Like she was like so, and then she came around
Speaker 2: and she was like but like we had to do
Speaker 2: full circle, like it got like not hated, but I
Speaker 2: was like, I just just know, like I love you
Speaker 2: so much, but that behavior I won't accept. Imagine if
Speaker 2: Pete was trying to help me do something like Pete,
Speaker 2: out of all people, like he's beautiful and me AND's
Speaker 2: dad is fucking beautiful, like he's so gorgeous, would literally
Speaker 2: do anything like And imagine if Pete was trying to
Speaker 2: do something to me and I'm knocking at him like no,
Speaker 2: don't do it like that, don't do it like that,
Speaker 2: now do it like this and this, And then she
Speaker 2: has no idea about any type of car, like her
Speaker 2: oil was low, and I'm like sitting things there, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: my god. So yeah, it was a very valid fight,
Speaker 2: but I think it was really good for us to
Speaker 2: get our first one out to go. But oh my god,
Speaker 2: I have to say that video that Danny and you
Speaker 2: folk posted about the divorce, honestly, like, if that's not
Speaker 2: the most accurate thing I've ever seen in my life, hilarious.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you some contexts because these videos
Speaker 1: are definitely Danny's idea.
Speaker 2: But yeah, who comes up with the ideas most of
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: Most of the time, Yeah, Jenny, Danny. Okay, Jenny, who
Speaker 1: does you know? The editing? And it's his idea and
Speaker 1: I'm sort of along for the ride.
Speaker 2: But then and then who gets mad when you don't
Speaker 2: do it the right way?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good question. It's normally me. I normally
Speaker 1: have a bit of ego that comes into play, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, the camera angle isn't getting my best
Speaker 1: angle or the lighting star of the show. I literally
Speaker 1: said to him the other day we were videoing us
Speaker 1: doing this video and the angle had like half of
Speaker 1: my bicep cut off, and I was like, Babe, they
Speaker 1: can't see my full bicep. And He's like, you are
Speaker 1: such a loser, I'm quitting. So I'm like, I'm the diva,
Speaker 1: I'm the movie star, and he's he's dealing with my.
Speaker 2: Antiques director and editor and everything. Yes, it's so funny
Speaker 2: because like being now in a relationship, me and mem
Speaker 2: have this conversation around content, like, obviously people are you
Speaker 2: know that she got a message the other day saying
Speaker 2: some girl actively goes on both of our profiles to
Speaker 2: see if we've posted anything because she's invested in this relationship.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know if that is
Speaker 2: creepy or cool that people are invested. It is nice,
Speaker 2: but it's like, okay, but we literally drove nine hours
Speaker 2: from Sydney to Melbourne the other day and we didn't
Speaker 2: take a single photo. We were so invested in the
Speaker 2: road trip that we didn't even shoot content. We didn't
Speaker 2: even it's our first road trip. And I'm like, babe,
Speaker 2: did you talk a lot? We didn't even we talked
Speaker 2: the whole time. Wow, Okay, crazy, And that's what I thing.
Speaker 2: Like there's a fine line with like creating content together
Speaker 2: and like say, like having a business, et cetera. Like, obviously,
Speaker 2: social media is my business and it's my part of
Speaker 2: my life totally, and it's good to have someone like
Speaker 2: Mim who it's the same and I feel like you
Speaker 2: probably feel the same way, right, yeah, Like, but when
Speaker 2: your whole relationship is public, you're also then open to scrutiny,
Speaker 2: and like that does scare me, But I feel like
Speaker 2: I feel very secure in our relationship that we would
Speaker 2: just be really open if anything was to happen. But
Speaker 2: I honestly touched would and like, you know, I feel
Speaker 2: very confident that I can say, like, whatever happens will
Speaker 2: happen for the reason. But you know, we're pretty locked in, yeah,
Speaker 2: at the moment, and I think for for a long time.
Speaker 1: That's really cute. I love that. I think with Danny
Speaker 1: and I, in terms of content, we are very specific
Speaker 1: about what we put out there, Like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: Denny's page and my page are completely the opposite. We're
Speaker 1: very different in terms of what.
Speaker 2: We're putting quite a following.
Speaker 1: He's got such a following. And I'm telling you, I
Speaker 1: wake up soon as I post a photo or a
Speaker 1: photo or a video with Denny, I wake up and
Speaker 1: there's like one hundred and fifty Colombian boys following me.
Speaker 1: Like he's got his's like, you know, he's God, he
Speaker 1: is following that are just like constantly interacting on his
Speaker 1: social media. So like I've all of a sudden like
Speaker 1: become an influencer in Bloody Columbia.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's famous and color.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny. I say to him, Oh, babe,
Speaker 1: next time we go to Columbia, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: get security, like as a joke.
Speaker 2: I love that you guys have ticked off some things
Speaker 2: like holidays, et cetera. Like we're at that new stage
Speaker 2: where we're kind of like planning bigger things. Like we
Speaker 2: went to Perth obviously, and that was like a holiday,
Speaker 2: but it didn't really feel like a relaxing holiday, you
Speaker 2: know when you're seeing family and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that. But I've made like a was not
Speaker 1: a choice, but like a commitment to Denny that we
Speaker 1: will get back to Columbia once a year, which is
Speaker 1: super important because he hasn't been able to do that
Speaker 1: in the past. And I said, you know, your family
Speaker 1: is really important. You live so far away from them,
Speaker 1: So every second year we will go for Christmas. So
Speaker 1: this year we're going for Christmas, and that's booked him
Speaker 1: for the end of the year and the start of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, and then we're also doing Europe together.
Speaker 1: So let's hope that this time spent in each other's
Speaker 1: pockets is gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: It will be fine.
Speaker 1: I'm my gosh. I might need to like go for
Speaker 1: a run or go and spend some time by myself.
Speaker 2: But yes, that's a hard thing balancing and relationships. Hey,
Speaker 2: also just talking about relationships. Me and Mim have been
Speaker 2: so invested in this whole Jojo seewa Cathbs situation. I
Speaker 2: swear to God, every single gay is listening to kath
Speaker 2: Ebbs like whole spill about what Jojo Siwa has done.
Speaker 3: The story goes right now. In the last eight hours
Speaker 3: or whatever, I have flown. I flew here and I
Speaker 3: went to the live show to show up for my
Speaker 3: partner and support them in their experience and then obviously
Speaker 3: later on address my feelings of like hurt and like
Speaker 3: work through them like all relationships do. But before I
Speaker 3: could even get back to the hotel, I it's actually crazy,
Speaker 3: went to the after party with with with my I
Speaker 3: guess now X crazy thing to say and was dumped
Speaker 3: in the party. I was told that there are confused feelings.
Speaker 3: Did with that what you will, and that they had
Speaker 3: realized in the house that I wasn't the person that
Speaker 3: they wanted to spend the foreseeable future with.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're friends with kath Ibs like you guys know what.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say we're close, like I have to preface
Speaker 2: and say like we were friends. We haven't hung out
Speaker 2: in like years. But I did send them a message
Speaker 2: to say, I hope you're okay. I've been seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff and a lot of people concerned for Cath. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was like I have to reach out and
Speaker 2: just like let them know that I'm, yeah, feeling really
Speaker 2: bad because I think the whole Yeah, I think both
Speaker 2: of them are really under a microscope right now. Oh.
Speaker 1: It is crazy to think that, like this was the
Speaker 1: ending that nobody expected, because you know, just in Marti Gras,
Speaker 1: they were together and Jojo was living in Australia, sort
Speaker 1: of living this low profile life and living with Cath
Speaker 1: and having these amazing moments they you know, in Australia.
Speaker 1: In Australia performed together on stage at the fair day.
Speaker 1: They looked like the ideal couple and looked like they
Speaker 1: were each other's person. Do you think that JoJo's level
Speaker 1: of fame contributed to the breakup?
Speaker 2: Well, can I be honest and just say I've never
Speaker 2: really been a fan of Jojo Siewell, Okay, Well, I
Speaker 2: think like, and this is only my own perspective, is
Speaker 2: that I have I can sort of see and understand,
Speaker 2: Like I watch Dance Moms and I knew, like what
Speaker 2: Jojo went through when she was younger, and that experience
Speaker 2: would have been crazy. And then having fame that young,
Speaker 2: there's got to be some psychological things that you experience
Speaker 2: and you probably hold on to and I don't know
Speaker 2: if they've actually dealt with them now being twenty one,
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 1: Also had wait, she's twenty one.
Speaker 2: She's only twenty one.
Speaker 1: No, oh, this all makes sense. This all makes sense.
Speaker 2: Sie. You don't want to be age discriminatory, but.
Speaker 1: Twenty one, come on, and this fine.
Speaker 2: Maybe twenty seven, twenty eight or something like that. But
Speaker 2: like I have been like not following, but have been
Speaker 2: seeing over the years, especially with TikTok and then like
Speaker 2: Instagram and then also the media. Yeah, Jojo has gone
Speaker 2: from relationship to relationship since she was young, and like
Speaker 2: the controversy around what sex she's gone from pant sexual,
Speaker 2: which is so fine. I know that jet like sexuality
Speaker 2: is fluid, but she has gone from pan sexual to
Speaker 2: being a lesbian to now not being a lesbian, to
Speaker 2: being more just queer, so she's identifying as queer. She
Speaker 2: even explained that she had jumped alphabet like letters, which
Speaker 2: is so fine, and I get sexuality is fluid. I
Speaker 2: definitely like feel that on so many levels.
Speaker 1: Because honestly, what I will say is, when you were
Speaker 1: doing that, I was thinking, maybe it's just that's the
Speaker 1: same as you What do you mean, like you've gone
Speaker 1: from a straight relationship to a lesbian relationship to you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So like still bisexual hardly.
Speaker 1: But people could put you in that same box as
Speaker 1: in you've gone from men, you know. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that, Like my.
Speaker 2: Girl friend has expressed it, she's just purely a lesbian
Speaker 2: and she's nothing else where. I'm like, well, I'm in
Speaker 2: a lesbian relationship where I'm like girl and girl, but
Speaker 2: I still am attracted to boys, but I'm not attracted
Speaker 2: to anyone else in my relationship. Totally yeahgous, but like yeah,
Speaker 2: and this whole unpacked like like seeing it, like like
Speaker 2: I just folding in front of everyone's eyes. It's crazy,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know what I would do if I
Speaker 2: was kath Ev. Danny goes on Big Brother. Danny goes
Speaker 2: on Big Brother UK, you see similar behavior to what
Speaker 2: Jojo and Chris are, like, what would you do?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've had this conversation with Danny and I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. Because Denny was going to go on Survivor Columbia, right,
Speaker 1: so he applied. There was, you know, a high likeliness
Speaker 1: that he was likeliness likelihood that he was going to
Speaker 1: be on this show, and we had a conversation around
Speaker 1: what would happen in the house and the Foundation house
Speaker 1: or the island, it's different. They have a house, so
Speaker 1: the winners go to a mansion and it's like a
Speaker 1: completely different setup. So if you lose the challenge, you're
Speaker 1: living in the slums, and if you win, you have
Speaker 1: a mansion where you have alcohol and all the crazy
Speaker 1: things can happen. Right, So it's like the Big Brother House.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's like a Big Brother slash. It
Speaker 2: is Black Slash Survivor.
Speaker 1: The thing is, people get into relationships on those shows
Speaker 1: and they cross lines from what they communicated to their
Speaker 1: outside partner all the time, especially in the Columbia season.
Speaker 1: So we had a conversation around what would happen, and
Speaker 1: we talked about respect, you know. So if he went
Speaker 1: on there and he went against what we spoke about,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure this is what JoJo's done, I would
Speaker 1: absolutely be gut it. I would feel totally disrespected. It's
Speaker 1: on an international level, everyone can see it. I would
Speaker 1: also feel like they didn't care about me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I feel like keV has expressed in
Speaker 2: their video like they feel humiliated and betrayed. Yeah. Oh
Speaker 2: my heart breaks. Obviously, it's so hard seeing someone who
Speaker 2: you were once friends with and like seeing this unfold
Speaker 2: and not being able to do anything or let them know,
Speaker 2: like I did reach out. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: you're like, you're just so hard when it's so public.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, So, okay, if you went
Speaker 1: to support your partner at the finale of the show,
Speaker 1: you're there in the audience, you are showing your love
Speaker 1: and then they take you to the after party of
Speaker 1: the show and break up with you at the after party,
Speaker 1: like you could in what world? In what world is that?
Speaker 2: Okay, because I feel so sick, Like.
Speaker 1: How isolating is that twenty.
Speaker 2: Four hours from like Australia to London. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: the next day yep, hole my, Like I would have
Speaker 2: a pit my.
Speaker 1: What is crazy is that Kath went all that way
Speaker 1: after seeing all the footage, still supported Jojo in the
Speaker 1: moment and then gets burnt. She's totally burnt at the
Speaker 1: after party and dumped. How isolated? How alone would she
Speaker 1: have felt in that moment? You know, It's such a
Speaker 1: disgusting way to do it. So I really hope that
Speaker 1: Kath is, you know, feeling all right. And it might
Speaker 1: be that she's dodged a bullet here.
Speaker 2: I think so, And like, you know, and you know
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Say, Karma's a bitch and your shirt and I'm better.
Speaker 1: But I also want to get your take on Jojo.
Speaker 1: Do you think this over the top? I'm you know,
Speaker 1: the CEO of gay pop Vibes. Is this giving yeah?
Speaker 1: Is this giving desperation? Is it giving pick me energy?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What is it to you? Because to me, I feel
Speaker 1: like I saw an interview where she said everything that
Speaker 1: was you know, the pr around Karma was her, but
Speaker 1: then she said everything from that moment forward hasn't been
Speaker 1: her and it's been orchestrated by a team. And these
Speaker 1: are the words that came from Jojo in an interview.
Speaker 1: So I want to want to know like recently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was recently. So she's saying that the whole team
Speaker 1: has orchestrated this vibe, this bad girl vibe, and it's
Speaker 1: not really who she's her core, she's a good girl.
Speaker 1: She doesn't like going out and getting you know, doing shots.
Speaker 1: She even spoke about doing fake shots on stage. It
Speaker 1: was apple juice, not patron or something like that. You know.
Speaker 1: So she's giving this fake uh I don't know, say yeah,
Speaker 1: fake persona to the world for what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I saw like a TikTok video
Speaker 2: of where Jojo was explaining like she there's two JoJo's
Speaker 2: and like JoJo's like controls her life and then there's
Speaker 2: like Jojo who is like this type of person and
Speaker 2: she's just going to get in Taken from.
Speaker 1: Which version did Kath get?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I mean. Like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: in all honesty, we all have different modes and versions
Speaker 2: of ourselves. Like you had have a presenter mode, you'd
Speaker 2: have a podcast mode. We all have different modes and
Speaker 2: I fully support that, Like, you know, when your life
Speaker 2: is so public, you have to be and switch into
Speaker 2: those different like personas or modes and versions of yourself.
Speaker 2: But the thing is you can't when it's a part
Speaker 2: of your brand, Like you can just acknowledge that. I think, like,
Speaker 2: just that's a part of my brand and it's what
Speaker 2: I do. But I'm just concerned that like Kath got
Speaker 2: sold like the show and everything like that, and then
Speaker 2: when it didn't convenience Jojo, Jojo was just to drop them.
Speaker 2: And I think like that has been a common trend
Speaker 2: from Jojo, Like if you look at all of her relationships, Maddie,
Speaker 2: if you go back through a deep dive, like they
Speaker 2: have bounced from relationship to relationship. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: like Kath wasn't the one for them. Apparently they had
Speaker 2: asked Kath to marry them, Like all the controversy around
Speaker 2: like this relationship, it's it's heartbreaking to see and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: I don't want to have an opinion on the relationship,
Speaker 2: but I also feel for because it's like one hunt.
Speaker 2: But like that's what I mean, Like it's so hard
Speaker 2: to see everyone also have their opinion, but not, No,
Speaker 2: we don't know what the fuck is going on with them.
Speaker 2: And I've never liked Jojo like I'm not That's my
Speaker 2: own opinion on her personality is like I don't connect
Speaker 2: with her. It's like similar to Taylor Swift. I don't
Speaker 2: connect with Taylor Swift like come for me Swift is
Speaker 2: but come for me Jojo Seaer was fans like.
Speaker 1: Does she have any I don't know. Can I ask
Speaker 1: you a question? You think that this let's call it
Speaker 1: a media relationship, you know, between Jojo and a public
Speaker 1: public relationship, not a media relationship. Maybe people think that
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's just for the media. No, And what
Speaker 1: I'm saying is this public facing relationship. Do you think
Speaker 1: that Kath was also enjoying the spotlight put on them
Speaker 1: during this time? That's an any question. But the reason
Speaker 1: I ask is because people take opportunities. Maybe Jojo wasn't
Speaker 1: the love of her life either.
Speaker 2: And I'm not so connected. The lesbian world is so connected,
Speaker 2: I must admit, because like the person that actually introduced
Speaker 2: them was g Flip.
Speaker 1: There you go, so like.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows everyone and I'm like mem and I often
Speaker 2: chat about this because it keeps coming up and our
Speaker 2: Like we were listening to Cat's video on the way
Speaker 2: on our road trip and I was like, I can't
Speaker 2: help but like break, like my heart break for a
Speaker 2: friend that a person who I knew and like actually
Speaker 2: knew how caring they were. But I also can't sit
Speaker 2: back and say, well, you did also get into a
Speaker 2: relationship with someone who like has a track record? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it has a track record. Isn't the most like mature.
Speaker 2: I would say, like, has somebody fucking growing up to do?
Speaker 2: Has some growing up in some therapy. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: not not gonna be mean here and save anything more harsh,
Speaker 2: but I think like Jojo is giving like like little
Speaker 2: bridy energy and kind of like when she gets into
Speaker 2: a relationship, if it doesn't serve her and it's an inconvenience,
Speaker 2: it's like next this is and that is not good,
Speaker 2: Like we know and like I'm guilty of it. I
Speaker 2: have jumped from relationship to relationship, but also I'm seeking
Speaker 2: a standard of person that I want to be with
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like I've done the work,
Speaker 2: But I honestly don't think she's done the work. That's
Speaker 2: a big call. That's a big call.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I just want to also just go back
Speaker 1: to my question around the do I think Cath was
Speaker 1: taking an opportunity this is my opinion, No, this, but
Speaker 1: this isn't my opinion. This is just a question that
Speaker 1: is out there and it's something that has come up,
Speaker 1: you know, in the comment threads. But what I would
Speaker 1: say is that Jojo at the age of twenty one,
Speaker 1: you know, no excuses, but this person is, you know,
Speaker 1: really at a point in their life where they the
Speaker 1: wheels are falling off, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: nobody has their shit together at the age of twenty one.
Speaker 1: I'm only just starting to figure shit out and get
Speaker 1: to know myself at the age of thirty. So it's
Speaker 1: like there's no excuses. But also maybe if you're going
Speaker 1: to date someone who is twenty one, these are some
Speaker 1: of the things that you might come up against. These
Speaker 1: are the risks, you know. And and I feel for Cath.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, if she she's been really
Speaker 1: hurt in this, then it's it's absolutely terrible. But also
Speaker 1: I think she might have dodged a bullet, because how
Speaker 1: can you feel secure with someone who's you know, that
Speaker 1: flippant when it comes to relationships. But you know, it's
Speaker 1: not for us to judge.
Speaker 2: Honestly, there's no judgments, no justice. Like everyone is talking
Speaker 2: about it, everyone has an opinion on it, but like,
Speaker 2: you know, take it easy with You know, kath is
Speaker 2: going through a hard time, I think, and she was
Speaker 2: under a microscope right now. Do you think Chris and
Speaker 2: her will end up together?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, you.
Speaker 2: Know he's thirty two, look and she's twenty one.
Speaker 1: You know what, age is just a number. My mum
Speaker 1: and dad were thirteen years apart. Once you get over
Speaker 1: the age of eighteen. And I'm not like discriminating against that,
Speaker 1: but what I will say is that there's probably a
Speaker 1: lot of emotions in chemistry that is tied to the
Speaker 1: show that's going to die down, and they're going to
Speaker 1: find out that, you know, either you know, they really
Speaker 1: like each other or they don't. I think that in
Speaker 1: the moment this was locked in the house, you're locked.
Speaker 1: Come on, did you know that?
Speaker 2: Twenty days? Okay, that's twenty days so long? I know,
Speaker 2: how do you start saying I love you to someone
Speaker 2: you don't know?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll soon see a play out. But what I
Speaker 1: do want to say is like, you know Kath now
Speaker 1: Kath Ebbs. That name is now in you know, the
Speaker 1: minds and hearts so many people around the world, so
Speaker 1: she could capitalize on this.
Speaker 2: I think Kath might get that much pussy after this.
Speaker 2: It's going to be exactly what I mean, Cath get
Speaker 2: all that pussy. Yeah, get a girl. Kath's video after,
Speaker 2: you know, getting like over two hundred something thousand likes.
Speaker 1: They took it down and we took it down. I
Speaker 1: would assume that Kath maybe a season desist.
Speaker 2: I wonder or like her, you know what.
Speaker 1: This will come out sixty minutes threat.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be This is honestly, remember.
Speaker 1: When we definitely.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five highlights, you know, and big moments. This
Speaker 2: is probably one of them. But Jojo Sewa emotional cheating.
Speaker 1: Do you think that jo made Cath sign an NDA.
Speaker 2: There was some legal threat? I'm gonna say maybe there
Speaker 2: was some legal threat maybe or they took it down
Speaker 2: because but I think they put it back up on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna like, Okay, do you follow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on Instagram? WHOA Okay? No, that wraps this
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