WEBVTT - Outsiders | 20 April 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:03.960 Being your non sky news Ostrulia starts. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:14.880 Now a lot of. 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:23.080 This is outside. Good morning and welcome to outsiders. It's Easter, 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.760 glorious Easter morning here in Sydney. I hope you are 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:30.680 having a wonderful Easter Sunday wherever you are in this 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.640 wonderful nation of ours. And what with it being holy 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:38.199 weak and the most important day in the Christian calendar, 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:42.159 I thought we should check in on how the spirituality 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.200 is faring in the modern world. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:49.599 Hi, I am Reverend Lazarus Justice Jamison, and I am 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.760 proud to be the co founder of Profane Holiness Community Care. 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.600 Yes, that's the good Reverend Lazarus, a member of the 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:03.640 prog agressive Christian Alliance. But how should we address her. 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:05.640 My pronouns? 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.440 Are they them? I am a trans masculine dyke here 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.800 in Portland, Oregon, but I am from Saint Louis, Missouri. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.280 I am a trans refugee. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:17.839 Well, it's true, in this day and age, we all 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:20.080 could do with some spiritual care. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:25.800 Trans people deserve ritual like kinky folks deserve spiritual care, 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:30.680 right leather poly folks, sex workers, like everybody else left 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:33.679 behind deserves community. 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:37.039 I wonder if they'll be putting on a community Easter 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.760 egg hunt. Should be fun. In the meantime, let's grab 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.400 the latest Outsiders news. 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.160 I have me onswer it. 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:51.840 Well, Rita and Caroline here in the studio on this 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.080 wonderful ease the morning. Caroline want to ask you, We've 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:58.640 seen some very important things happening. There's an election going on, 0:01:58.720 --> 0:02:00.720 there's all sorts of things to this says. For The 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.040 big issue of the day is, of course, that the 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:07.560 alban Easy government has managed to get vegamite back into 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:11.120 a cafe in Canada. This is the great world event 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:14.120 that here we in Australia focus on as the rest 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.440 of the world worries about things like doing trade deals 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:20.840 with Donald Trump. We've got vegemite into a cafe in Canada. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:22.040 What a success story. 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.160 Everyone across Australia will be breathing a great five relief 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:30.679 this morning that their breakfast spread is safe in Canada. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.280 You know, it's the age old question, marm I vegimind 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.760 which one are you going to pick? I'm so glad 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.840 that Albanizy is covering the hot topics and everyone worrying 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.800 about how they're going to pay the next mortgage payment. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.200 Or their energy bill will be hugely relieved. 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:48.400 Well, let's have a look at Albert getting all excited 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:48.800 about the. 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:53.240 Vegamite and I want to thank Mark Karney in his 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:57.720 office and his team for ensuring that for the Australian 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:03.120 cafe owner Light and War can once again have veggiemite 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:07.600 back in his Cafli back on the agenda. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.320 I mean, on a more serious note, Reata in Caroline. 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.720 What I spotted over the last couple of days was 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:20.480 the Italian leader, Prime Minister Georgia Maloney not only hosting 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:25.240 JD Vance there in Italy, but also she first before that, 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.919 was at the White House talking to Donald Trump getting 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:34.200 good trade deals for Italy, obviously improving relationships between those 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.440 two nations, closing those bonds. Have A listened to the 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:38.080 White House. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.400 The goal for me is to make the West great again, 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.720 and I think we can do it together. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:45.280 We can. 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.960 Make the West great again. Rita. This is what this 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.040 is what they're focusing on while we're making vegimite great. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.240 Yes, I'm sure selling maybe what one or two jars 0:03:58.280 --> 0:03:59.680 of vegemite in Canada. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.360 You know a jar lasts how long? It is comical, But. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:08.080 It's not because here we have a leader, one of 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.320 the most, if not the most popular leader in Europe 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.120 right now, Georgia Maloney. You think the European media isn't 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.520 as unhinged about Trump as our media is. They are, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.400 But she's not backing down. She's done the work. She's 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:27.640 articulated those same positions that the Trump administration has about 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.400 protecting Western values, about identifying what the. 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:33.040 Real enemies are, and. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.640 Doing something about illegal immigration, doing something about preserving your 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:43.839 country's culture and living standards. And she is not shy 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.479 unlike our politicians in saying we're going to make the 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:49.400 West great again. She's not worried about Oh no, no, no, 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:53.080 what if they make Trump comparisons, What if they malign 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.520 me as some sort of you know, mini Trump. 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.680 No, because she's done the work. 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:02.640 I think our politic on the conservative side are just 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:07.000 not bold enough. They're not clear enough in articulating what 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:10.960 makes them different from labor. And that's why they're so 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:16.640 terrified when the media or the left make these Trump comparisons. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.760 They think, well, this is it. We're going to lose 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.080 the election if people see us as suy. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:26.279 It just drives me nuts. How stupid the entire approach 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.320 of the Liberal Party, the coalition has been during this election. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.240 Don't say we didn't warn you on this show for years. 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.679 They should have picked up from the voice. They should 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.560 have embraced Trump. They should have been there like leaders, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.240 genuine leaders like Malonia. What a great thing to say, 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:43.599 Let's make the West great again? Can you think of 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.159 a greater thing to be saying and aspiring for your 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.000 nation Italy? You know the heart of the Renaissance. So 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:55.240 much traditional and wealthare of Western civilization to be embracing 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.799 the concept of saying, let's make the West great again. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.560 Our political leaders in the cost on the so called 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:07.320 right hardly are spooked by the words make Australia great 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.200 against spooked. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:14.760 By taboo to one kill country, to be insane for indeed, 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.640 Western civilization. How did it become taboo? 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.640 Because they listened to the left, They listen to the 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:22.040 ABC reason they. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.000 Let them set the agenda, They let them set the race. 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:29.000 They are so terrified of people who are never going 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.920 to vote for them, hating them, that they are trying 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.920 to appease people instead of And then you were seeing 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.440 in Australia the vote on the right fracture and they 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:40.480 can't afford to do that. We saw that happen under 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.560 Malcolm Turmpule, it happened with Scott Morrison at the last election. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.919 You have that right flank of your base fracturing. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:49.120 You're done. 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:50.680 You've got to keep. 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.840 The true believers on board and then you've got to 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:54.760 bring on their swinging voters. Now, if you want to 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.640 bring on the swinging voters, the culture war issues can 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:02.200 be effected. But right now in Australia, we've got tax issues, 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.320 We've got bracket creep, we've got this assault against mum 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:08.279 and dad property investors who want to build wealth. So 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:10.960 we've got to talk about negative gearing. We're going to 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:16.120 talk about removing the capital gains concession. Where are the 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.240 Liberals on these Where are they hammering home that the 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:24.480 Left are going to stop you building wealth, providing financial 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.840 security for your family. They're going to make it harder 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.520 to pay the bills. This is an ideological war from 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:35.960 the left where they don't want your ordinary Australian, your 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:39.680 mum and dad landlord to be able to build wealth. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.960 They want to demonize them. We're seeing this happen in 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:45.240 Victoria at a much greater rate, but it is an 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.920 ideology that is very prevalent and if we do have 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.240 a minority government with Labor and the Greens, the Greens 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.040 have been clear in where they stand on the issue 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.239 and it is going to be disastrous for housing policy 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.240 in this country. And again not seeing any sort of 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:05.280 scare campaign from the coalition. The scare campaigns are coming 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:07.920 from Labor who are in power. I mean it's like 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:12.080 the opposition is forgotten that their opposition that they're doing 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.640 this positive campaign. No, you want Australians to throw out 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.480 a first term government, you better show them what they're 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:22.040 doing wrong. You better be very clear and your scare 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:25.239 campaign about how this country is in the wrong track 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.160 and what you're going to do about it. 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:28.640 I'm not seeing that. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:33.040 And I think it's almost now becoming too late, because. 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.920 It's never too late. But every word of what you're 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.640 saying is true. And we did warn the Coalition on 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:41.680 the show for the last two years of the trap 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.040 they were walking into. Look at the way the left 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:50.680 treats the coalition. The ABC, you know, have a look 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.640 here at Sarah Ferguson, one of the stars of the ABC, 0:08:54.000 --> 0:09:01.560 and here she is contemptuous, patronizing to a former minister, 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.280 a shadow minister, Michael Sooka, just to have a look 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.920 at this, and this is this is who the coalition 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.360 think they need to win over. Have a look. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:12.640 I'm going to ask you one more time, and everyone 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.520 is listening to me, ask this question, how many social 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:17.560 and affordable houses will you build? 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:19.800 Well, we will fund social and for right. 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:20.200 That's it. 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:21.640 You're not getting an answer. 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:25.080 We are building fifty five thousand social and affordable homes 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.880 over five years, twenty eight thousand, Well, twenty eight thousand 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.520 of those homes. 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:30.720 Michael, what would. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.720 Your mother say hearing you interrupt her? 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.520 Just I've been interrupted the entire time. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.240 Just please, it's okay. I'm unflappable, Sarah. I've done this 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.079 my third my third run at this this week. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.640 If you want, we are not in a public house. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:44.560 Let's move on. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:45.240 Let's move on. 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.479 Well, you know, here's me. Let's here's your mother say 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.080 the hauling behavior appalling you think your host this program? 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:59.480 I'm sorry, no, think about your mother, Rowan. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.600 What an extraordinary thing for an. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.640 ABC host to say to a shadow minister, to say 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.160 to anybody, really, to an adult man talking to. 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:11.120 An adult woman. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.160 Clara O'Neill isn't some child on a playground that's being 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:17.880 picked on by, you know, the bully boy. She is 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.400 a minister in the other an easy government, with a 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:26.360 senior portfolio, and she's debating her shadow. She doesn't need 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:29.640 ABC host to jump in there and say, what would 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.840 your mother think about this? Hectory and then she asks 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.960 a question to Suka, who begins to answer it, and 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:43.439 immediately she cuts him off. It's like it was comical, comical, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.000 it's so patronizing. But I think more than just being comical, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.080 it's disturbing because obviously we're paying a billion dollars a year, 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.440 we expect the ABC to be impartial. I don't think 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:54.840 we expect it anymore, but it. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.800 Is in their charter. And yet the bias from Sarah 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:01.360 Ferguson was in full display because when it happened the 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:04.680 other way, when Clara O'Neill interrupted Michael Suker, there were 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.400 no warnings of what would your mother say about this? 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.679 You're going straight to detention, young lady like that. It 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.360 was so school mamish. I mean, it was actually quite difficult. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.360 But what she did point out, I'm sorry, Caroline, she 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:23.360 did point out we're not in a public house, public house, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:25.440 out of touch the test. 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:27.320 You know that doesn't partic house. 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.840 Maybe if you're called the ABC, it's. 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:31.600 Called a part. 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:38.680 This isn't a public house day, but. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.720 The rudeness with which the ABC treat any coalition. And 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:46.680 I watched the debate which was on the ABC the 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:48.160 other evening. I watched it so that the rest of 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.959 the nation did not have to obviously, but again in 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.160 the same patronizing treatment of Peter Dutton, with David Spears, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.240 who used to work here, sort of saying do you 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.559 accept the climate change? He's responsible for the weather you're 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.040 seeing right now around you, and Peter du Peter Duttan 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.680 was of course about the mantra and say, oh, yes, 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.400 I accept that we're seeing impacts of climate change. I mean, 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.520 this was just insane stuff. But this is what you've 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:16.160 got to do for the ABC. If we had some 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.240 kind of Trumpian leadership, if we'd seen you know, what 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.840 Peter Dutton should have said is no, you know I 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.000 don't believe, stand up for what I believe. But what 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.840 Zuoka should have said is, Sarah, no one is watching 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.520 your show. Your ratings are falling, which is why we're 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:34.720 going to abolish you. When we did the government and 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.679 your mother and your mother will probably be pleased because 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.959 she's probably watching outsiders right now. That's what he should 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:41.560 have said. 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.800 You know what, that is what is missing. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:46.880 And I think Michael Suka would be one of the 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.920 few MP's who would be up to that time. 0:12:51.040 --> 0:12:52.200 It would be exactly he. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.400 Would absolutely but obviously. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.920 The coalition weren't gun shy, and now. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.800 So gun shy as you said earlier, this enterprise that 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.840 essentially apologize or explain herself for saying that she wants 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.320 to see Australia be great again. I mean, this is 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:08.280 what it's been reduced to. And if you want to 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:12.120 fight an election campaign on your knees, then good luck 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:12.520 to you. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:13.400 You ain't going to win. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.000 Conservatives only win when they fight from a position of strength, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.120 and we saw that in the Voice referendum. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.680 Against all odds. We know it can work. 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:30.719 Despite everything you hear, Australians are overwhelmingly sensible. They're overwhelmingly 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:35.080 I shouldn't say overwhelmingly, but they are still majority conservative leaning. 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:39.360 Even in Victoria we saw the Voice defeated despite the 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.200 fact that the No camp had very meager resources to 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.600 fight that campaign compared to the S side, So. 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.240 It is dual. 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:53.080 It is completely achievable, and they are botching it. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.120 Rowan and as not as if there aren't genuine issues there. 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:59.240 Caroline tell us about Morgan Cox, who was on Q 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.640 and A a few weeks ago. We played to clip 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.120 here on outside is complaining about the housing problems. He's 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.000 actually taken his protest into his own hands. He's camped 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:16.520 outside Albanese's infamous Copa Cabana beach house where his Albo 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:17.440 Cabana there. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.800 It is, yes, his tent that he's set up now. 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.640 Morgan Cox was a rare voice of common sense, I 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:25.760 think you can say. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:26.640 On the ABC. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:29.840 He was a dad who appeared in the audience of 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.680 Q and A a few weeks ago talking about his 0:14:32.840 --> 0:14:36.120 housing situation. He's he has a one year old child. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.400 He said that the rent has gone up, they can't 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:44.960 meet their rent payments, and he's they're at risk of homelessness. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.560 He works two jobs. He's it's not like he's unemployed 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.920 or struggling to find work. He is in work. He's 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.840 in two jobs in fact, and he's still kind of 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:57.200 pulled his rent. So he's After that Q and A appearance, 0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:00.480 he did appear on our own Paul Murray Life. Let's 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:01.840 take a look at what he had to say that 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.640 I think we have the grab. Okay, we don't have 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:06.080 that grab. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:07.080 You know. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:11.000 We also made the powerful point that we're in this 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:16.600 situation because of successive governments bringing in hundreds of thousands 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.360 of bisy free. Yeah, and the alban Easy government has 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:23.160 super charged that they brought in what arount a million 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.400 in two years. So what you think we're not going 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:28.640 to have a housing crisis and we've got all sorts 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:33.400 of supply issues where we've got unions making the construction 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.000 of homes so expensive. There is just so much at 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:41.320 landish regulations, red tape, green tape, black tape. 0:15:41.400 --> 0:15:42.560 So we don't have the supply. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:44.920 We've got a million coming in in a couple of years, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:50.160 and you've got Australians like that working two jobs facing homelessness. 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:52.720 And where was the coalitions come out with the policy too? 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.160 I think reduce immigration by twenty five percent. I mean, 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.160 come on, guys, I mean talk about timid and talk 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.600 about you come out and you say lack us slamming 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.440 the door shut for two years, no immigration for two years, 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.880 because we're way ahead of ourselves in two years time. Well, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.960 then look at maybe opening the doors a little bit. 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:11.520 But this we're going to cut it back honestly drives me. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.520 Nice Carol. I wanted to ask you as well about 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:18.640 the story about the Teals. The Teals these I have 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:20.720 more to say about this later on the show. The 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.440 Treacherous Teals, all about integrity. What a bunch of frauds. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.440 This lot are The best thing that could come out 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.920 of this election, in my opinion, is every single one 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.000 of those Teals gets defeated. They're far better candidates. You've 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.160 got Tom White there in Perth. You've got all sorts 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.000 of great candidates who should be taking the place of 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.240 the Teals. But tell us about this push polling, these 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.040 tricks that they're up to, this sort of Simon Holmes, 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.240 the court dabbling away in the background. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.960 There, Well, Rowan and reader, you may remember that the 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:53.000 Teals came out against push polling so accused it of 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.680 being a dirty tacting. Now this is, of course, where 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.960 under the guise of conducting a legitimate survey, you get 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.480 a call, you get a text message asking you a 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:06.479 number of questions about your political opinions, but they're loaded 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:10.320 questions and they're leading you. Sometimes they've got their very 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:13.920 opinion based and then leading you to a political opinion 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:16.879 rather than just gauging your political opinion. So there was 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:20.080 a story that came out this week about how robo 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:23.320 calls were being made in Zoe Daniel's seat of Goldstein 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.360 in Victoria and they were asking these really loaded questions 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:32.439 basically about the Barnaby Joyce and Matt Cannavan of the 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:38.520 Nationals and how they support apparently that they're against, you know, 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:42.160 abortion rights and they're going to lead to a rollback 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.280 of abortion rights. And really, would you support the coalition 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:51.960 more if the Liberal Party moved away from the Nationals? 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:55.040 That was the question. Now what I've discovered is that 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.080 in curtain, these same sort of questions and more were 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:03.320 being put to voters in that Perth seat where Kate 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:07.199 Cheney another Teal, is the MP. And I've got a 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.880 couple of examples of these messages that are being sent 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:14.280 to voter. It's another clear example here of push polling. 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.720 One of them asks very similar to that robo call 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.160 with Zoe Daniel, would you be more likely to vote 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.479 for the Liberal Party if it distance its olf from 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.200 the National Party And the extreme agenda of its MPs. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:31.200 Extreme like Barnaby Joins and Matt Canneban opposed taking actor 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.040 who are posed taking action on climate change and want 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:38.400 to roll back abortion rights. Reply with strongly agree, disagree, etc. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.400 Another message said the Liberal leader. Liberal Party's leader Peter 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.720 Dutton has announced his intention to build seven nuclear power 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:51.119 plants that experts will say will take fifteen to twenty 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.959 years to build and cost hundreds of billions of dollars 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:59.000 to support or oppose those plans. Now, clearly these are 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:03.600 not just engaging people's political opinion. They're trying to influence 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.760 opinion and from the very people who say they're a 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:10.879 party of integrity, they're a party of honesty. They're spamming. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:16.080 They're spamming people. There's political well wors pinat. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.399 It's dishonesty because normally when you get spam, you know 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:24.040 it's spam, you know it's advertising. But this is so underhanded, 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.359 it is so dishonorable and for a party, and they 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.880 are a party who were basically formed to stand up 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.119 to you know, the bastards in Canberra, to bring back integrity, 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.600 to be transparent and be a conservative option. Remember that 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:45.280 was the whole cell. They weren't supposed to be options 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:47.639 for Labor and Greens voters. They were supposed to be 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:54.119 options for disenchanted Conservative voters. This party is to the 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.960 left of Labor. They are very comfortably could be sitting 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.840 in the Greens. There are another shade of grea and 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:04.199 that's how the coalition has to treat them. Whether you 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:08.440 love them or loathe them, they're not a conservative y' toxic. 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.560 Point out that though Daniel did say that she didn't 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:14.960 put out the robocall, and maybe that's the case with 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.040 k Cheney, but according to line paper sources, Climate two 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:20.280 hundred is responsible. 0:20:19.680 --> 0:20:19.879 For that. 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:22.320 And they're behind the line. 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:22.680 Yeah. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.280 Anyway, let's move on from the toxic tials bestly. I 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.960 hope the Nation moves on from the toxic tials. Joining 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.600 us here on the desk is a candidate in the election. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.960 Always like to give candidates a shot on getting their 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.560 bit of publicity out there. One Nation candidate for the Hunter, 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.800 Stuart Bond. Stuart, great to have you here in the studio. 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.240 Thanks for taking time off from getting down from the 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.359 Hunter to be with us. I wanted to pay you 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:47.520 this clip. Now. This I mentioned before the debates on 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.800 the ABC or the debate on the ABC. Here's Albanzi 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:55.160 who's suddenly an expert in marine life apparently. But anyway, 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.240 answering a question, have a listen about your read. 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:03.919 Proper community consultation and any environmental approvals. Some of the 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:10.439 concern is not real. Whales are being unable to steer 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.760 their way around in the vast specific ocean around a 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.120 wind tower is not right. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.120 So Stuart, here's the Prime Minister talking about your region 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.800 where the whole issue of windmills is a big issue. 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:24.840 Is he right or wrong? 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.880 Look, I'm not needy debate whether his right or wrong 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:30.359 about the whales. I'm no marine signs either. But I 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.359 can say that we're shipping coal from the Upper Hunter. 0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.280 We're going down past how I'm now closed down Ladell 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:41.040 Ladell coal fire power station, past the gas firepower station 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.040 that has no gas, pass the proposed wind turbine farm, 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:47.479 sending it up to Japan so they can make cars 0:21:47.960 --> 0:21:54.560 from Toyota and Suzuki, high value Electronics, Panasonic Sony, and 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:56.600 they're shipping it back to us and selling into US. 0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.080 So it's just madness. The whole thing doesn't make any 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.560 sense to me people in the Hunter, So. 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:05.040 What would you work? What's one nation's position regarding the Hunter. 0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:06.280 We need to. 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.679 Build new clean cul Foi power stations as our aging 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.480 fleet is retired. So it's slated that by twenty thirty 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.040 eight there will be no caul Foi power stations left 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.880