WEBVTT - The Media Show | 9 August 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:06.560 This is the Media Show, with Jack outing Hello and 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:08.680 welcome to the Media Show. Tonight we'll take a look 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.840 at Elon Musk's war with advertisers, labour spreading, cost of living, 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.479 fake news, and a look at the ABC's investigation into 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.000 Network seven. But first, now to the chaos in the UK, 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.160 with riots spilling into the streets after three young girls 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.960 were brutally murdered by a seventeen year old who can 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.480 only be described as pure evil. He was also charged 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.000 with ten counts of attempted murder, with other victims hospitalized 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:34.600 with their injuries. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.280 The country is bracing itself for more scenes like this. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.040 Police are aware of thirty gatherings and are preparing for 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.880 a day of disorder. An extra two two hundred riot 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.320 trained officers are being deployed to confront whatever comes next. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.560 And the media was quick to blame misinformation for the 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.120 riots because in the lead up to the rights false 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.240 information spread that the evil murderer we mentioned as an 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.000 immigrant and a Muslim. Turns out he was actually born 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.920 in the UK to Rewandan parents and his family was Christian. 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:11.000 Violin anty immigration riots continue in the UK. The protests 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.560 first broke seven days ago after anti immigration misinformation campaign 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.360 stoked outrage over a stabbing attack that left three children 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.119 dead in northern England. 0:01:21.760 --> 0:01:24.280 But there have also been horrific moments captured by the 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.480 so called progressive counter protesters. Now this includes Labor councilor 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.440 Ricky Jones, who's actually been arrested for encouraging the murder 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:37.000 of protesters. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:39.759 Children, women, using no friends artist in a smartic, they 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:40.760 are disgusting? 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:43.280 Do we need to. 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:51.960 Cold up and get it alone? Well? Joining me on 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:54.200 the show this week is skyn New's host Caleb Bond 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.440 and skyn New's contributor Louise Roberts. Caleb, let's STARp with you. 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.040 What is going on in the UK and what do 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.680 you make of this conflict I think between the media, 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:10.000 the protesters, the social media's role in the early reports 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.080 which turned out to be erroneous. What's going on? 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.200 Well? May I first point out the muted clapping behind 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:18.440 that Labor councilor there when he called for throats to 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:19.119 be cut. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.600 There were some cheers. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.919 Of I know they didn't quite know what it just happened. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:28.840 But they're like, it's just grinning. What has happened in 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:29.320 the UK? 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.200 As Nigel Farage pointed out during the week is that 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.359 you have had years and years and years of people 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:40.080 trying to have an open and sensible discussion about mass migration, 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.359 and every time they've tried to have that discussion, they 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.000 have been accused of being racist and bigoted, etc. And 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.240 a pressure point has been reached on the back of 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:54.480 misinformation that is alleged to have been spread by other 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:58.480 foreign powers. And how smart foreign powers to realize the 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.960 disunity that exists within Western nations to be able to 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.920 jump on that and just further that disunity in an 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.000 event like this. But the point you have reached is 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.080 that when you tell people that they are animals or 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.880 they are like animals, they will eventually act like animals. 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.320 And that's what they've done because they've gone heck and 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.280 not that we can done violence at all, but what 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.239 they've looked at it and said, well, if I can't 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.239 have the genuine discussion about what's happened to my country, 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.760 I've got to find a way to make my voice heard. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.760 And that, unfortunately, is what has happened. And the fact 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.920 that the media and particularly the new prime ministers the 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.320 Kistama in the UK, keeps carying on about the far 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.600 right only further stokes this division and the protests that 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.600 we've seen throughout the week, because a lot of these people, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:55.160 although they act like thugs, wouldn't see themselves as far right. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.640 They would see themselves as good British people who don't 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.600 like what's happened to their country, and they're out there 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.400 in their mind trying to fight for their country and 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.680 stand up for what they think is right. And so 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:09.480 when you describe them as far right, it just makes 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.160 them angrier and they go on to protest more. So 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.720 you set it up as the far right and then 0:04:14.840 --> 0:04:18.920 the anti racists, and you put those two together. Of course, 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:21.960 anti racist implies that they're the good people, and far 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.080 right implies that they're the bad people. It does nothing 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:26.080 to quill the division. 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:31.719 It's a lazy fjorative because they're also labeling every center 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.480 right political group nowadays, it seems to get the far 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.280 right label. And then what are we then conflating them 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.160 with somebody that is doing criminal rioting. I don't think 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.120 that's I actually think it's quite a lazy label. I 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.800 think just say this person is protesting because of this, 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.080 and reporting where you possibly can. Obviously people quote, but 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:49.600 the least, let's bring you in. What do you make 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:50.960 of this whole situation, Well, haven't. 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:52.680 Lived in the UK for seventeen years. I think the 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.480 main issue is not the migration, it's how they focus 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:58.719 on the assimilation. As you say, Caleb, any discussion about 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.080 making a unified Britain great Britain, which is as a 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.880 country is shouted down. As you know, you've got both 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:08.320 sides saying don't destroy my country and the other side saying, well, 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:11.560 you're being racist because you're daring to raise it. It's 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.560 an idiotic situation really, And also I would say that 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:18.200 Kirs Darma clearly has not got his own house in order. Okay, 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:21.600 he's only a month in as the new PM, but 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.040 the fact that a labor counselor is saying what he's 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.640 saying quite happily on camera, knowing he's got a microphone 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.839 shoved in his face and there's people around him, is 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.520 just it just shows that the message about we will 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:33.719 go after these people it has not gone down to 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.480 the rank and file counselors. 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.479 Yeah, I think you can be emboldened by if the 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.440 media is clearly taking one side in this, and in 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.560 my opinion they are and every single story is of 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:47.880 these evil protesters here on the far right, when there's 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.360 probably a divergence of political views that have led to 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:52.960 them coming out there. Then you get people on the 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:55.240 left that are so embolden that they're talking about cutting 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.799 people's throats. I think that's a problem. But look, staying 0:05:57.800 --> 0:05:59.640 on this story, there were also some hairy moments of 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.000 the report orders on the ground. In one clip that's 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:05.080 gone viral, the network cuts away from the reporter as 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.520 Islami game shouting Palestine surround the woman. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.880 Community leaders have been speaking to the police as well, because. 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.920 But I think apologies for the language you're hearing, but. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.800 I think you can yeah, I think Becky apologize. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:34.359 We need to leave you there, Louise. A lot of 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.400 criticism actually the network for cutting away rather than staying 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.000 on it. I'm in two minds. I think there's definitely 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.920 a safety issue, and the news desk was saying, we've 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.880 definitely got security there, But I mean, you've kind of 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.360 got this opportunity to keep the cameras rolling or what 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:50.039 do you think. 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:52.360 It's the same with any sort of protest or war situation. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:54.520 Do you keep shooting in filming or do you run 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.400 to safety as well. And I think that reporter in 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.640 particular was very brave the fact she still kept broadcasting 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.200 and trying to illustrate what was going on. 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:03.560 She's very calm, was very calm, yes. 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.279 Having been in a few precarious protest situations myself. The 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.400 adrenaline is surging and you're thinking, I want to get 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.200 the news down the line to the camera to my 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.120 news editor. But at the same time, when do you 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.600 pull the pin and actually prioritize your own safety. So 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.320 it's very you have to judge it on the situation 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:20.760 at hand. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:22.920 I think definitely, And Caleb, another reason why this clip's 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.840 so interesting to me is because it has triggered off 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:28.720 the conversations about the two tiered policing system, the two 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.480 tiered media coverage in many ways. And yes, there are 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:37.920 obviously these awful people on this particular right political side 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.880 of politics that are burning things down, bashing people, doing 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.400 horrific criminal things, But you've also got people on the 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.040 other side of the political spectrum who were doing just 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.360 as egregious things surrounding a female reporter in a very 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.480 threatening manner, and it doesn't seem to get the backlash. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.480 The journalists on the news desk. He wasn't scathing of it. 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.800 What do you make problem with characterizing at all is 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.640 the far right, because it hasn't all been the far 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:08.600 ll complicated correct And as we saw there, and there's 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.560 there's plenty more footage of it that we've been showing 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:12.800 on the late Debate throughout the week, there have been 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:16.640 plenty of Islamic protests as well that have been just 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.400 as violent, just as much violence perpetrated upon the other 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.400 side by Muslim protesters throughout the week, but the media 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:28.000 doesn't touch that because it comes with the added complication 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.240 of potential Islamophobia and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.600 In terms of that footage there, and by the way, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 that crew was then followed by those men and they 0:08:38.480 --> 0:08:43.080 had the tires of their van stabbed and let down, 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:47.360 so they weren't going to let up. In situations like that, 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.600 it is important for that footage to go to wear. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.680 And I think we got the gist of what was 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.679 going on from the little bit that we saw there. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.560 I mean, you know, bloke goes up to the camera 0:08:57.640 --> 0:09:01.760 and he's basically making a gun sights at it. I 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:04.199 would continue taking the footage. I just wouldn't put it 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.000 to air live because that's a really bigin point, because 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.559 what they want is the attention if. 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.360 There was some violent act I mean, Luis, if there 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:15.439 was something horrible that happened. They do have all these regulations. 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.079 They probably would get in a lot of trouble that 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:18.640 would do. So it's all very well for me to 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:20.840 say they should have kept on filming. I would like 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.520 to see them release more footage now that we know 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.079 it didn't get to that threshold. 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.640 I agree, maybe have the reporter in the studio being 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.520 interviewed by the host and saying what it was like 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.160 to actually be on the scene. I think there's always 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:34.000 an appetite for from viewers to actually see how hard 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.160 journalists work and actually see the calamity that they have 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.720 to deal with, actually just reporting the news itself and 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:43.040 in a way that doesn't condone or celebrate what these 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.160 thugs are doing. And clearly that's why they're going after 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.000 a light broadcast. I thinking, fantastic, you can't stop me. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.840 I can say what I want, but if it's if 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.559 it's recorded and then edited later, that doesn't happen. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:55.800 Yeah, well said, well, now, let's move on to chaotic 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:59.920 scenes at the Olympics where the International Boxing Association declared 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.200 war on the IOC. 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:08.000 We have forgotten that the Olympic Committee additional committee is 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:12.560 not a political body. It's not a political organization, is 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:18.200 a public organization. There so the general public and the 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:22.040 countries have to take the whole decision, and today, unfortunately, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:30.680 we are witnessing the failure the death of women female boxing. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.640 The media reporting, for the most part, appears to side 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.800 with the IOC, with publications such as the Sydney Morning 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:41.360 Herald labeling the press conference fascicle. Now let's bring the 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.120 panel back into discuss Caleb. There's a few This is 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.520 a really complicated story, but there's a few points that 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.400 I make. The IOC appears to be relying on evidence 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:55.200 that these athletes are female, based on documents such as 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:59.240 the passport, whereas on the other hand, the Boxing Association, 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.080 whether or not there is corruption issues or governance issues, 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.559 they have released times when tests were taken. They've said 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.400 that it came from these water facilities, these places that 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.000 if you were to accept that all the tests were 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:18.200 flawed and there is no chromosomal issue, you would have 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.280 to accept that there's this grand conspiracy that stretches all 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:26.200 the way from the Boxing Association to each individual testing association, 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:30.319 which is wider endorsed. To me, it seems less likely 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.400 that that is happening, and more likely that the IOC 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.240 is only relying on a document as opposed to anything 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:36.880 that's a test. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.880 Well, well, it's the whole you know, choose between conspiracy 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.240 and cockup. Ninety percent of the time, they're probably going 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.640 to be the cock up, right, because to pull the 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.040 conspiracy off would be a hell of a task. And 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.679 what has troubled me about all of this is that, 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.800 of course the IBA sees that they did the genetic 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.800 testing and it came back with the x y chromosomes 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.840 that would prove biological maleness about these two people who 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.760 seem to be women and are competing as women. It 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.280 would be so easy to fix all of this by 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:09.600 the IOC taking the same genetic test or imposing the 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:12.480 same genetic test and coming back with the results, and 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.280 then it would be cleared up. We would all know. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:17.040 And by the way, both of the competitors could do that. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.240 But they have chosen well, and the Boxing Association says 0:12:20.240 --> 0:12:25.000 that they have been threatened because as privacy issues, and 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:25.600 that's correct. 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.760 Legally, there's only so much that they can release. 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:31.800 But apparently athletes themselves have said, do not release my tests. 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.120 You don't have permission, and you'd wonder why that might be. 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.440 But the IOC could do its own testing and come 0:12:37.480 --> 0:12:40.560 to its own conclusions, and it has chosen not to 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.640 do so. And what has troubled me about the coverage 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:47.240 is that the media and us as journalists, are meant 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.040 to question everything, even if sometimes those things we are 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.320 questioning might go against our own beliefs or our own ideologies. Right, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:13:00.840 the media largely has taken aside that being we're not 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.240 going to ask the question of the IOC, why haven't 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.760 you done your own testing, because we've now decided that 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.720 there are certain sacred cows, and one of them is 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:15.000 that you can't question someone's gender identity. Both of these competitors, 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.440 as far as we can see, have always lived their 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.439 lives as women's and so we now decide, well, that's it. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:22.760 We can't question that. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:25.560 In this age, in the age of identity, in the 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:27.600 age where you can be whatever you want, the piece 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.800 of paper saying what you are is not proof. The 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:31.599 science is the proof. Anyway, we're going to take a 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.200 quick break because when we're back inside Labour's misinformation scandal, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.600 now to the Labor Party in Australia, which has been 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.959 pined for spreading misinformation. And this is pretty funny to 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.520 me because this is the party which wants to enforce 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:50.880 strict misinformation laws on you, but doesn't want politicians to 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.959 be held to the same standard. Sky reporter Riley Sullivan 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:58.360 reports Anthony Albanesi ping for spreading misinformation on social media 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.600 with misleading costs of living claims. While Australians are doing 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.480 a tough battling inflation and insane mortgage repayments, our Prime 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:09.320 Minister thought it was a smart idea to brag on 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:12.640 social media about his government. He published a picture of 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:16.400 a CD album cover sprooking his cost of living relief actions, 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:20.120 and there was a backlash. X users fact checked the 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.840 PM and found that most of the policies he claimed 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.120 that were winter cost of living relief measures hadn't even 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:29.480 started yet. Albanize continued his horror week with a tough 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:32.720 interview from Pete Stefanovic, who pointed out on live television 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.160 that homeowners would not get interest rate relief in part 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:38.760 because labor had a spending issue. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.200 Are Australians facing higher rates for longer because of big 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:46.000 spending federal and state budgets. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.320 Well, that's not what they've said, Peter, with respect. 0:14:49.440 --> 0:14:52.280 And well, this is the quote here from the RBA. 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.080 Public demand is forecast to be stronger than previously expected 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.000 reflecting recent public spending announcements by federal and state government. 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.840 Are you saying they're wrong. Yeah, that's very different. 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:08.400 That's very different from from the way that you characterized that, Peter. 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.120 We've made your fiscal policy, budget policy works arm in 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.160 arm with monetary Well that's not working at all because 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.000 the RBA and Treasury are brawling at the moment. 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:22.960 That's not true, Peter. 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.760 Well you're saying completely different inflation. 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:33.360 No, we're no, we're not. Louise what a brilliant but 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:35.280 brutal interview. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.840 By Peter did very well indeed, Yet. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:40.080 I mean, you know, cost of living is this issue 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:43.640 which is plaguing everybody in Australia globally as well. What's 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.680 the thought process behind doing up at a CD. By 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:48.400 the way, the people who are doing this, his massive 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.880 team of media minders, they're on good Wickeds. They probably 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.160 don't have an issue with cost of living personally sitting 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.960 from there their places in Canberra. But to do that 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.040 and brag, is that an effect of media strategy? 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.400 Well, I think dj Elbow is from this one totally 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.280 out of control and at his own hand. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.960 I mean, he's got the headline sorted a CD. 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.120 Who under thirty knows what a CD is? I would 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:13.120 say as well, but cost living is not a joke. 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.720 It is never a laughing matter. 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:15.200 Globally. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.280 I cannot think of a world leader who would actually 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.840 use this as some sort of parody or some sort 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:22.400 of spin argument to sort of say, hey, look what 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.720 the great work we're doing to help you while you're 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.040 at the supermarket look at your receipt and going, oh 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.440 my god, I've just spent five hundred dollars on what 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.680 I can't even see that I'm going to actually cover 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:33.440 the food for the family for the rest of the week. 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:38.120 So it's just a complete ignorance of what the average 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.880 person in Australia is dealing with. 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.480 Yeah, and Caleb, I mean there's another element to this 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:47.320 as well, this interview that Pete Stefanovic had with Alban Easy. 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.080 He's pushed on this this tension point that they have 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.360 with the RBA, and we know there was a tension 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.200 point because the RBA said one of the factors was 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.480 stronger government spending and then in the inquiry it was 0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:03.000 repeated again the guff moment, spending across multiple levels was 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.320 a factor. How dare this bloke stand here and say 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.119 that that is a false characterization on live television. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:11.200 I know, Well, it's just an out and out lie, 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:13.680 isn't it. And the great problem that Alban Easy in 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:17.159 the Treasure Jim Chalmers have is that Michelle Bullock, the 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.720 Governor of the Reserve Bank, has turned out to be 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.240 a very effective communicator in terms of the media war 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.240 in trying to win the hearts and minds of people 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.159 in terms of where cost of living is going and 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.639 where their interest rates are going, and where inflation is going. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:37.120 Michelle Bullock has been able to communicate the RBA's view 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:41.199 so succinctly and in such a straightforward way that Philip 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:44.640 Low never could that. I think most people can look 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.160 at it and see that the Prime Minister is making 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:49.000 things up and to them. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.840 As tough as she's not scared by the fact that 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:53.320 they are. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.119 Pushing back, and I was skeptical about her to begin with, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.000 because I thought we'd be better off with an RBA 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.040 governor who hadn't spent most of their work career inside 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:03.200 of the RBA, because I think that was the problem 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:05.879 with Philip Low. But she's actually shown herself to be 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.200 a very shrewd operator and a great communicator, which is 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.480 what we needed at this particular point in time. But 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.199 for the Prime Minister to think brag about measures that 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.200 haven't even come into place yet and lie to Pete 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:23.040 steffin Avick, I mean a fact check a CD is 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.040 about as useful as the measures that he's touting on 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.159 that cover there, because who's got a CD player anymore? 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:32.800 Like then, the symbolism of that alone was like, what 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.359 are you paying these people for? 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:39.320 Bunch of bunch of boomer media advisors that reminiscing really 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:41.800 bad stuff. Look, let's move on. Because Elon Musk has 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:45.800 declared war on activist advertisers who pulled money away from 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:49.480 conservative platforms on news sites. The New York Post reports 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.360 the left leaning advertising cabal, accused of conspiring to suppress 0:18:54.720 --> 0:18:58.960 conservative outlets, was reportably disbanded on Thursday, just days after 0:18:59.040 --> 0:19:02.840 Elon Musk's ex slapped the group with a federal anti 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.200 trust lawsuit, let's bring the panel back in now, Luise 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:11.119 to have this massive body which is responsible for directing 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.720 advertising funds for them to be accused of anti trust 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:19.119 violations and then to just delete it. That's not a 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.560 great look, Well it's not. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.679 But also the irony of someone like Elon Musk and 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.000 the platform he runs and what he allows to be 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.760 distributed on that platform, it beggars belief that he would 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.920 go after a standard's authority given what standards he applies 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:37.080 to his own own commercial network in a way. So 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.800 I just think is typical sort of megalomaniac billionaire owner 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.640 over a platform like that who doesn't like what he hears, 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:46.680 so he launches legal action and to what end. 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.440 Yeah, he definitely does not like being criticized. I'm definitely 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.439 a little bit more sympathetic with him because we do 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.680 get targeted by some of these groups, and look, sometimes 0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.399 we do make mistakes, and sometimes the criticism against us 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.679 is fair, but sometimes times there are people that have 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.119 very nefarious genders that group together and that was the 0:20:05.160 --> 0:20:08.159 problem with GM and now there is an attempt for 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:13.360 them to escape accountability for these perceived violations of antitrust. 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.920 Whether or not they did, we won't really know because 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:17.280 they've broken up the organization. 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.720 Yeah, And I think that's probably the best case scenario 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:23.800 out of this, is that even if the case eventually 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.320 comes to nought, it's resulted in the breaking up of 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:30.160 the organization. Because look, I don't have a particular problem 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:35.000 with commercial operators banding together to spend their advertising money 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.520 with one mob or another, because that's just the free market, right. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:41.720 And if someone decides that their company's values don't aly 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.760 with aligned, sorry with a media outlets values or a 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.159 social media company's values, and they shouldn't be forced to 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:51.480 advertise with them. What needs to happen on the other side, 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.880 And have often said this about the right, and it's 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.399 often the right that gets targeted by the left in 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.840 terms of these boycotts, is the right has to do 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.720 the same back to the boycotts, because the lift is 0:21:03.840 --> 0:21:06.399 very good at boycotting. It's been a tactic they've used 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.280 for a long time. But the right doesn't tend to 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.160 do it back. And so I would say to viewers 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.320