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Speaker 1: Can I welcome to the show. This is better than yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Useful tools and useful conversations to help make your day

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Speaker 1: to day better than yesterday. Every episode since twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: twice a week since twenty thirteen. My name' Josha Ginsberg.

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Speaker 1: I'm very, very glad you're here. Last week's episode was

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Speaker 1: Shelley Craft. And for the first time in well over

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Speaker 1: twelve hundred episodes, I finally finally played the Brisbane game.

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Speaker 1: And the Brisbane game for anybody know from Brisbane is

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Speaker 1: the oh Brisbane? Who was cool to go to? This

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Speaker 1: is the first question? Where'd you go? North? South side,

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Speaker 1: west side, east side? And I played that with Shelley Craft,

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Speaker 1: and it was delightful to reflect upon another person who's

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Speaker 1: had a career in the industry that I work in, television, radio,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, who came from Brisbane. Because when I lived

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Speaker 1: in America, people who often ask, oh, ah zieh sitting

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Speaker 1: here in Marlboro, and I have to say, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: that you know Ron, But what if I told you

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Speaker 1: there was a whole other part of Australia humongous even

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Speaker 1: it's as big as both of those places, And there

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Speaker 1: are a whole little life happens there as well. There

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Speaker 1: was something about it coming from Brisbane, and I really

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Speaker 1: appreciated listening to in Shelley Kraft and I remember that

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Speaker 1: I actually also heard that when we spoke with Sylvia

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Speaker 1: Jeffries the first time around. She's been on the show twice.

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Speaker 1: We recently caught up about her brand new financial literacy podcast,

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Speaker 1: which is brilliant. I'll put the link in the show notes.

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Speaker 1: But the first time that Sylvia came on the show,

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Speaker 1: we talked about her journey from growing up in Brisbane

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Speaker 1: to becoming quite a very familiar figure on it Australian

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Speaker 1: really wanted to kind of sit with a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what Brisbane did for making her who she is,

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Speaker 1: because so often we think about, you know, we've got

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Speaker 1: the kids and like, oh, good, they're fed, they've slept,

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Speaker 1: house tonight. Great, my job done today. But we might

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Speaker 1: not think about how much the place we would bring

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Speaker 1: them up in will influence and shape the entire career

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Speaker 1: that they have. Because listening to this thing with Sylvia

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Speaker 1: this is the moment right now that is shaping Wolfe's life,

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Speaker 1: who's only six. So in this conversation, we're just going

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Speaker 1: to take a little bit of there's a couple of

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Speaker 1: you know. As talking about growing up in Brisbane, she

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Speaker 1: had a very politically engaged family. How her early exposure

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Speaker 1: to that political engagement, it's an interest in news and

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Speaker 1: views to her father, which I loved, really influenced her

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Speaker 1: We fascinated with broadcast. We grew up in Brisbane. It's

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Speaker 1: less so in Sydney, I guess. But in Brisbane, the

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Speaker 2: I believe it, like they're summoning you into their orbits

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Speaker 1: As a kid there was For me, it was just

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Speaker 1: this magic. Where I grew up. They were behind our house,

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Speaker 2: I I grew up in a very politically engaged family,

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Speaker 1: Were your parents of the gig? Were they in the game?

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Speaker 2: Or my dad was on local council? Was on Britain

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Speaker 1: It's the largest, huge council, was the biggest in the world.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he was the council of the Aldermen they

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Speaker 2: He had a core flute that said he cares. And

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Speaker 1: As I said earlier, Sylvia's story is a you know,

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Speaker 1: it's a perfect example of how upbringing can shape our

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Speaker 1: If you've got a person like that in your career,

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Speaker 2: My time in the newsroom early on as a nineteen

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