WEBVTT - Why does Elon Musk hate the 4-hour documentary about himself?

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian, this is the weekend edition of The Front.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Claire Harvey. Musk, the Alex Gibney-directed four-hour documentary epic,

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<v Speaker 1>started its theatrical release this week with the usual storm

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<v Speaker 1>of controversy that follows its subject, the world's richest man,

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk. The Hollywood Reporter claimed tech titans had colluded

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<v Speaker 1>to obstruct online advertising. Universal Pictures allegedly got cold feet

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<v Speaker 1>about distribution, and some viewers have questioned the ethics of

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<v Speaker 1>using a CGI avatar of Musk in the film. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fair to say Musk himself is no fan of the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary or of Alex Gidney, whom he labelled a douche

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<v Speaker 1>in 2023, shortly after the project was announced, and a

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<v Speaker 1>horrible human after Musk's Venice Film Festival screening in September.

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<v Speaker 1>And while the documentary received a five-minute standing ovation at

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<v Speaker 1>Venice and a slew of five-star reviews, Elon Musk is

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<v Speaker 1>now threatening defamation action against Gibney and his team. Joining

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<v Speaker 1>me to talk Musk is Max Aitchison. Max is an

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<v Speaker 1>expert in business people with outsized egos. He's one of

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<v Speaker 1>our margin call columnists here at The Australian and spends

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<v Speaker 1>his days documenting the foibles and follies of characters who

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<v Speaker 1>could only wish they were as colourful as Elon.

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<v Speaker 2>Give it up for the greatest.

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<v Speaker 3>Capitalist in history.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh!

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<v Speaker 5>Elon Musk is one of the most controversial figures in

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<v Speaker 5>the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So I decided to make him the subject of my

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<v Speaker 4>next film.

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<v Speaker 1>Max, neither of us have seen this. It premiered at

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<v Speaker 1>the Venice Film Festival and we'll either be seeing it

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<v Speaker 1>in the movie theatres or waiting until it's on HBO.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen any other Alex Gibney films?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I've seen one. It was about Enron. It was

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<v Speaker 4>called The Smartest Guys in the Room. That was quite

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<v Speaker 4>a few years ago that I saw it now. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it was brilliant. He's a very good filmmaker. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>keen to see what he's got.

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<v Speaker 1>He's amazing. He's won Emmys and Oscars. I've seen the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary he made about Elizabeth Holmes, the founder of Theranos,

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<v Speaker 1>that was called The Inventor. And he compared her to

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Edison as a kind of business celebrity. And someone

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<v Speaker 1>who kind of fakes it till they make it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he posed the question in the documentary, is it

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate to pretend that your product works until it actually does?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what Thomas Edison did with the light bulb. So

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<v Speaker 1>he took a really interesting, I think, fairly balanced view

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<v Speaker 1>of her rather than kind of as an out and

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<v Speaker 1>out corporate criminal. Like, well, this is what inventors and

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<v Speaker 1>entrepreneurs do. Now he's moved on to Elon Musk. The

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<v Speaker 1>first thing most people will know about this is that

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<v Speaker 1>he's really pissed off Elon Musk already. The trailer tells

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<v Speaker 1>you why, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 3>We have one person who's this chaotic and has this

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<v Speaker 3>much power. It's completely insane.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely. And I'm sensing similar themes about, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>faking it till you make it. I think that argument

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<v Speaker 4>could be made about Elon Musk's career. You know, he

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<v Speaker 4>has presented himself for years as the sole founder of

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<v Speaker 4>Tesla when that's not strictly true.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon Musk is the most famous Tesla CEO.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, everyone!

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<v Speaker 2>But Martin Eberhard and Mark Tarpenning were the original founding executives.

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<v Speaker 3>We started it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, this is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I found kind of fascinating about him, is that he's

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<v Speaker 2>actually accomplished some amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Things in his own right.

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<v Speaker 3>He's totally amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, SpaceX is amazing, and he's done some interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>with Tesla, for sure. I'm not sure why he has

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<v Speaker 2>to also say that he was a founder when he wasn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever. there was a court case and a settlement with

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<v Speaker 4>the individuals that he co-founded the business with. So yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it'd be interesting to see what he's got to say

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<v Speaker 4>about Musk. The fact that Elon Musk hates it already

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<v Speaker 4>is probably going to encourage more people to see it.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the classic thing, you know, if you try and

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<v Speaker 4>ban something or shut something down, all it does is

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<v Speaker 4>draw more attention to it. They call it the Barbara

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<v Speaker 4>Streisand effect because Barbara Streisand tried to ban some aerial

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<v Speaker 4>imagery of one of her homes. And all that did

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<v Speaker 4>was draw more attention to the fact that she owned

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<v Speaker 4>that home. So I think Musk has done the same

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<v Speaker 4>thing here.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tesla story is going to be a really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>part of it. I mean, he really pursues this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that there is kind of almost fraudulent and hyped up,

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<v Speaker 1>fake it till you make it kind of-ness about Tesla,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something I hadn't heard before. There's apparently a

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<v Speaker 1>sequence where there's a public demonstration of how easy it

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<v Speaker 1>is to change a Tesla battery. But in fact, what

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<v Speaker 1>that relied on was kind of Wizard of Oz style,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of behind the scenes trickery to make it look

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<v Speaker 1>like this was happening, when in fact it wasn't. Same

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<v Speaker 1>with SpaceX. You know, he stepped in at a point

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<v Speaker 1>where NASA was unable to fund the shuttle system anymore

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<v Speaker 1>and privatised space travel. created his Starlink network of satellites.

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<v Speaker 1>But the central idea there is that rockets are reusable,

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<v Speaker 1>that you can land them again and then use them

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<v Speaker 1>to launch something else into space, something they'd never done before.

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<v Speaker 1>But that idea took a lot of effort to actually

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<v Speaker 1>make it work. Like, it could have all absolutely failed.

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<v Speaker 5>It was one of the most remarkable displays of engineering

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<v Speaker 5>prowess and recent memory. On October 13th, SpaceX made history

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<v Speaker 5>when the booster from its massive Starship rocket was caught

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<v Speaker 5>by two mechanical arms dubbed Chopsticks as it descended back

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<v Speaker 5>to the launch pad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the amazing thing about him, isn't it, Musk? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he has kept trying, even though he wasn't actually there

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<v Speaker 1>on any.

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<v Speaker 4>Of these projects. Oh, absolutely. I mean, he's certainly committed

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<v Speaker 4>and he doesn't actually feature in the documentary because he's

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<v Speaker 4>refused to engage with Alex Gibney, who has The director

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<v Speaker 4>himself has said that he is very critical of Musk,

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<v Speaker 4>like he's making no attempts to be non-partisan in his portrayal.

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<v Speaker 4>Having said that, there is an AI version of Musk

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<v Speaker 4>that apparently appears in the documentary. I read one review

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<v Speaker 4>that said it was impossible to get used to, so

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<v Speaker 4>I'm quite keen to see what that's going to look like.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think it's a bit of a pastiche from

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<v Speaker 4>the director, you know, because Musk is so at the

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<v Speaker 4>forefront of that particular revolution. But yeah, to go back

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<v Speaker 4>to Musk as a character, I mean, he is one

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<v Speaker 4>of the defining people of our time, whether you like

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<v Speaker 4>him or you don't, that's inarguable. The question of whether

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<v Speaker 4>he's a visionary, a genius, or whether he's a confidence man,

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<v Speaker 4>as Alex Gibney has said he is, I don't have

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<v Speaker 4>the answers, but there's no question that he is pushing

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<v Speaker 4>things further and beyond. I mean, his whole mission about

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<v Speaker 4>colonizing Mars. I mean, it's the realm of science fiction.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ridiculous too, though. I'm not going to Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you going to Mars?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>If it gets too hot on this planet, maybe. But no,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, we are kind of in the realm of

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<v Speaker 4>science fiction.

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<v Speaker 2>Mars is a dry, frozen world today. But one day,

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<v Speaker 2>if entrepreneurs like Elon Musk have their way, human colonists

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<v Speaker 2>could call it home.

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<v Speaker 1>Once upon a time, the idea of driverless cars was far-fetched,

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<v Speaker 1>or reusable rockets, of course. But the journey of Musk

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<v Speaker 1>from progressive hero or visionary into kind of right-wing hate

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<v Speaker 1>figure is really interesting, especially now that he seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be coming back. Like, he's the one now who is

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<v Speaker 1>warning about AI and who is trying to cast himself

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of the angel of the AI revolution. I

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<v Speaker 1>feel sometimes like it would be easier to look back

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<v Speaker 1>on Elon Musk as a historical figure rather than actually

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<v Speaker 1>have to live in the world that he's dominating, you know?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, absolutely. A lot of or many billionaires are quite

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<v Speaker 4>inscrutable figures. You know, they don't make public comments. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't give interviews. They aren't accessible. And that's largely by design.

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<v Speaker 4>Musk is almost the complete opposite. Since he bought Twitter,

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<v Speaker 4>renamed it X, he pumps out dozens, if not more,

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<v Speaker 4>tweets a day. He's constantly engaging. He is a kind

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<v Speaker 4>of internet edgelord. He weighs in on topics that you

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<v Speaker 4>think wouldn't concern someone who is meant to be the

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<v Speaker 4>CEO of one of the biggest companies in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>He weighs in on questions of domestic UK politics, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>which is extraordinary and his influence is massive. Just recently,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the big scandals that he took great exception

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<v Speaker 4>to was the casting in Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he claimed it was woke, the fact that Helen of

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<v Speaker 4>Troy was black and there was other characters that he

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<v Speaker 4>thought should have been played by other people. And he

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<v Speaker 4>gets so exercised and worked up about it and he

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<v Speaker 4>says he's going to create his own AI version of

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<v Speaker 4>the Odyssey and everything. So not only is he kind

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<v Speaker 4>of plugged into the kind of technological advancement and that

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<v Speaker 4>side of society, he's also wading in the culture wars

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<v Speaker 4>and he's done that for years.

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<v Speaker 1>And he casts himself as a sort of moralist too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he's saying, I think his argument about the Odyssey was,

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<v Speaker 1>this should be true to Homer's epic and we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be trying to sort of apply 21st century values to it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. This should be much more traditional. And the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary goes to his personal life and I think sets

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<v Speaker 1>up that moral question about him, someone who's got at

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<v Speaker 1>least 14 children. Two of his former partners are interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>in the doco and they say very unflattering things about him.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody on Elon's side referred to us as the breeders.

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<v Speaker 2>There's 14 that are publicly known, but people around Elon

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<v Speaker 2>believe that there's many more.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>This was an order creating.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems to be the part of it that's made

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<v Speaker 1>him the most upset, doesn't it?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, absolutely. His personal life is just as fascinating as

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<v Speaker 4>his public life from his childhood in South Africa, where

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<v Speaker 4>I think he was bullied at school. One friend joked

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<v Speaker 4>to me that the bullies at his school did a

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<v Speaker 4>pretty good job given how he turned out, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>which is an interesting way of looking at things. I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he had a really tough upbringing with his father.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been a lot written about that. Fascinating background. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that he is the father to 14, if

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<v Speaker 4>not more children, many, you know, to different women, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how he keeps track of everything or has,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, enough hours in the day to keep up

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<v Speaker 4>with all of them. But the reason he's got so

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<v Speaker 4>many children, and it has been said that he believes

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<v Speaker 4>that one of the greatest threats to humanity is a

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<v Speaker 4>depopulation crisis. So he sees it as his duty to

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<v Speaker 4>have more children.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a holdover from, I don't know, the 70s

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<v Speaker 3>or something. So there was a huge baby boom where

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<v Speaker 3>people did have a ton of kids after World War II.

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<v Speaker 3>But then the US has actually been at, The birth

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<v Speaker 3>rate in the US has been below replacement rate since

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<v Speaker 3>like 71 or 72.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it amazing that there's 14 women who are

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<v Speaker 1>prepared to have sex with him on those terms.

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<v Speaker 4>Power is a great aphrodisiac.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess so.

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<v Speaker 4>Power and influence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and maybe an NDA and a couple of hundred

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, Max.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Max Aitchison is a reporter for The Australian. You can

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<v Speaker 1>This episode of The Front was hosted by me, Claire Harvey,

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<v Speaker 1>and produced by Jasper League. Our team also includes Kristen Amiott,

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<v Speaker 1>Leah Tamaglou, Tiffany Dimak, and Joshua Burton.